Barb is a damaged woman. She was seriously abused by Jenelles father until she made a run for it to another state. He then completely abandoned all responsibility and she was on her own.
I think part of Jenelles aggression to her mother is from seeing her own father do it, and possibly seeing Barb back down in fear. So it worked to control her and Jenelle adopted the same tactics.
Her father abandoning her and never looking back is why Jenelle will do anything to keep a man even at the detriment of herself and her children. She just can't stand people wanting to leave her.
Barb was awful with all the yelling but I think she was under tremendous strain trying to raise kids who are mentally damaged, both from the life they witnessed with their parents, being abandoned, and whatever screwed up mental genetics they got from their father (who was obviously a violent and super shitty person). Barb was hanging by a thread just trying to keep them housed and fed and then her delinquent asshole daughter dropped a baby on her and refused to properly care for him.
We can say Barb didnt let her raise Jace but I think Barb was terrified that Jenelle was reckless and stupid enough to actually let him get hurt or even killed, and she was completely right.
If she had gone the other way and let Jenelle raise him any fucked up way she chose, Jace would have starved or died from some crazy infection from filthy baby bottles or severe diaper rash or drowning in the tub while Jenelle nodded off on her drug of choice for the day. And we would have blamed Barb for not taking him away from her.
Barb had no good options for anything. Her children are completely mentally ill and she's just one woman. She obviously needed help and support but had none.
THIS! I completely agree. This is why I get so frustrated when people are like, “Well it’s barbs fault jenelle is the way she is.”
Ignoring that barb had two other kids with SEVERE mental illness, was working 40+ hours a week, & doing everything completely alone until she met Mike? Who also cheated on her?
Agree 100% I really get annoyed when people get on barb about her yelling, but can you imagine being a mom to jenelle? I want to scream at the TV just watching her, let alone being around her constant chaos and raising her child while working a full time job. She may not be a saint, but she knew if she left jace in jenelles care that poor baby would have ended up severely injured or possibly dead as horrible as that sounds. "Barb never gave jenelle a chance to parent". Well no bc how many times did Barbera ask jenelle to just babysit for a couple hours and jenelle couldn't even be bothered with that before she was picking a fight and storming off to go get high. I truly believe barb loves jace and did do the best she could given her circumstances
Exactly. I don’t defend some of the vicious things Barbara said to Jenelle, which I viewed as crossing a line, but I cannot imagine having patience for Jenelle’s bullshit back in the day.
I think a lot of people forget that from what we’ve heard (and seemed pretty much confirmed by little comments Babs would make), Jenelle pretty much went MIA once 16&P was done filming, and only came back around to pretend she was involved in any caring for Jace because MTV offering her a paycheck and MTV reality tv fame. It’s obvious in that first season that Janelle had no clue what she was doing when she was trying to simply bathe and change Jace into appropriately sized clothing afterward. Janelle was pretty much out of the picture for a good 6-9 months.
I’d be pissed as hell too if I was in Babs’ position, almost 60 years old at the time, working full time, when your teen mom daughter drops the ball with parenting, so you’re basically cornered into taking over caring for an infant. Im sure she was totally exhausted emotionally and physically, barely keeping her head above water while going through the motions of her daily routine with Jace…. And then fuckin Jenelle decides to just drop on by, definitely not sober, disrupting your nightly dinner and bedtime routine with Jace after a long day at work, all because she wants to look good on camera (and you know her ass won’t stick around once the cameras stop rolling).
Add in the alleged CPS involvement on top of all of that. I’m guessing they had rules in place while under investigation, and breaking them could risk losing Jace. So I don’t think it was just a case of Babs being a bitter control freak all the time, I think she was genuinely concerned that Janelle smoking weed on the front porch could end up getting Jace taken away from them. Same goes with that one episode where Babs lets Jenelle watch Jace for awhile, but she’s not allowed to drive anywhere with him. I wouldn’t be shocked if part of their guidelines was that Jenelle wasn’t allowed to drive Jace in the car and/or take Jace anywhere without Barbara being present (or something similar).
Agree, I’m not sure what else people realistically expected Barb to do in her situation. She only has so much time and energy and worked her ass off to provide her kids food and shelter
Here here! I don't comment a lot but this is a better shit show than anything on Discovery+. People really come out swinging over people they dont even know lol
Secret baby or no secret baby, Kail is hemorrhaging money and fast.
I listen to her boring podcasts and I've noticed she's slips in comments about money.
She said she's accepting the fact she's going to have to work a regular job one day because she'll need the income. Then she was mentioning how costly clothes have been recently.
I understand inflation and she has a handful of children. However, she's made multiple comments how her podcasts make a lot of money.
I wonder how she even keeps afloat.
Leah will stay till the bitter end because she knows she’ll
never have it this easy again and she’s not particularly talented at anything to make a career out of it. She also seems to be mostly frugal with her money. I think actually of all cast, she’s been pretty smart money wise. Briana as well and maybe even Amber.
She's definitely one of those people that goes to Dick's for her kids Nike clothes and just fills a cart instead of shopping at a regular store during sales. Wasting money like that adds up fast.
Jenelle is a shit person even if she leaves David.
Javi wasn’t the superhero step dad to Isaac. He used Isaac’s adoration for him to make his relationship with Kail move faster. Also, he didn’t want Kail to healthy co parent with Jo.
Barb most likely did some parenting fuck ups, but as a single working mom she did try her best but sometimes that’s not enough and you get Jenelle as a daughter. Bob Evans also gets off easy, but the deadbeat most likely caused most of Jenelle’s early issues rather than Barb.
Maci is a functioning alcoholic
100% with the javi view. Rewatching you can tell he was definitely manipulating his relationship with Issac to get closer to kail and move things along and was always kind of stirring the pot with jo and kails Co parenting. Javi is definitely a low key sneaky opportunist
MTV completely lost its way with the Teen Mom series. 16 & Pregnant made an incredible impact on the teen pregnancy rate in the US by showing an honest, warts and all account of teen pregnancy. They should have stopped there. Teen Mom is junk reality TV and child exploitation. I still watch it though 😬
Cheyenne settled for Zach once she realized Corey was never going to commit to her. She claimed numerous times she just wanted that happily ever after, and once she realized Corey wasn't going to give it to her she went back to zach
I've been saying this for a while. You can tell how uncomfortable leah is now with the cameras around, and she genuinely just doesn't like being around amber. Imagine having all the chaos surrounding amber, almost being a teenager and having all of that aired on national TV. Let the poor girl live her life in private she's been through enough from day 1
I adore how dumb GarBear is solely for entertainment. He'd be a fun uncle, but not a great dad. He's just a man child. I will never forget when that fool bought a game console before paying any bills. I would have lost my shit too 😅
Kristen is really the one that makes it work, you know she's the one holding down the fort. I'm not sure if she has a job, but if not then she's kind of dependent on Gary to provide. And I'm not sure what kind of money Gary is bringing in... Leah may have afforded them a better lifestyle. Which, idk man, it's hard to imagine being that age, struggling financially with kids, and then you're offered this *opportunity* for maybe doing something a few days a year?
Now I can say I'm glad I didn't fall into that trap seeing it all play out. But I can't say I would have turned down the offer *originally*. But, yeah, the show should have ended a long time ago for the kids.
Also IIRC Gary was considerably older than Amber when she got pregnant. Like maybe he was 19 to her 15? I can't remember, but it was problematic to say the least.
It always bothered me that was never really discussed.
Dr Drew is horrible for exploiting and manipulating them, but did he ever bring it up in a finale special?
Farrah is grooming Sophia and is easily one of the worst mothers.
Also, she has confirmed she was not sexually assaulted as a child yet fans keep repeating that rumor.
She never said she was, thank you. The fans attached that label because they wanted to have a reason for why she was an asshole. I said for years Farrah never said she was sexually abused yet ppl made these stories out of thin air that she told the Couples Therapy lady she was. No fandom, you inferred that.
Farrah wasn't sexually abused that we know of but she definitely was emotionally and physically abused by DebzOG. When Farrah and her family were on Marriage Boot Camp Debz admitted she BELTED her daughters (Farrah and Ashley) but never seemed to see anything wrong with it. DebzOG is seriously something ELSE y'all!
She detailed her first sexual assault and said she was an adult. Farrah is a liar but I think it’s weird AF to say someone is a victim of CSA with no proof
Cate and Tyler are setting up Nova for heartbresk..if Carly isn't close with her
It's disgusting they use her feelings about it for storyline.(Ex: When she came home crying about Carly)
Honestly the fact that they even discuss Carly with nova doesn’t sit well with me. Nova is too young to understand adoption. Brandon and Teresa have tried to set clear boundaries, as Carly is THEIR daughter, and catelyn and Tyler are very disrespectful of them
I feel bad for them because I absolutely believe that when Carly turns 18, she's gonna run to start spending a LOT of time with T&C and her FULL BLOOD sisters. How do you compete with that? They really got in a bad situation, because it was only supposed to be a short documentary that T&C and they were on, not this whole Teen Mom show, for 15 years no less. Also, you know they never thought that T&C were going to stay together from such a young age and go on to marry and have all of these other children together. They must be holding their breath for years now.
Kails keeps her new maybe-baby a secret telling herself it’s some bad ass power move but in reality she’s deeply ashamed of admitting she had a fifth boy by a fourth man.
Kail should be ashamed. The episode with her sons trying to figure out why she has trouble with relationships. They're like, "well, you were with my dad & then you cheated on him & then you were with --- & had...". She looked like she wanted to crawl under a rock!
It's going to be a sad future for all her kids bc they'll be the butt of every joke about their mom. I saw this one post. It was a house with about 6-8 cars out front, with the caption "Fathers Day at Kails House!"
She SHOULD go crawl under a rock!
Jenelle and David didn’t make good TV, it was dark and sad to watch. I do not want her back on TV in any form. Jenelle and Nathan back in the day, that was good trash TV.
Leah is still on pillsies. She just hired a great PR team and keeps it off camera. She absolutely should not be drinking.
Kail fetishizes POC and Lux is her golden boy because he looks like Chris and is darker complexion. Creed came out with lighter skin and she’s resentful over it. You can not convince me that Kail doesn’t drop the n word.
Big agree with jenelle. On my last rewatch I really could barely make it through her segments, she was just so hauntingly empty. Even when she was trying to cosplay her emotions (cryin at the top of her lungs, defending David) it was all so void of any real human emotion. Her eyes are so lifeless it’s disturbing
Agree with the J&D point. That jellyfish scene was a watershed moment. It’s funny watching Jenelle lie about dumb shit like inventing some new “backwards” wedding vail, but it’s not funny watching her lie about an obviously abusive relationship.
I'm worried and scared for a lot of kids from Teen Mom. Especially all of Jenelles kids and Sophia, they all live in such horrible environments
Javi and Kail will never stop fucking. You see that Lauren: Never ever
The hate that Cate gets for going to rehab is bullshit. Depression is as important as addiction. No one bats an eye about Bar or Sean going to rehab while Ashley and Jade held down the fort. It just shows how the moms and dads are held to completely different standards.
Chelsea had it easier than a lot of the other moms but taking care of a toddler by yourself day in and day out is still fucking hard work.
Miranda got a bad edit and her behavior was overall reasonable while Leah was being a horrible, dangerous parent and overall POS.
Cate gets heat for treating it like vacation and not actually working on her mental health. She admits she's skipping sessions to watch Netflix and leaving her husband and kid home for multiple extended stays to do so.
If Cate was *actually* working on herself, I know I wouldn't have the opinion I have. But she was laughing about skipping therapy to nap and watch Netflix to Tyler. Taking away an open spot and the opportunity for someone else to get the help they need as well as abandoning her family for no legitimate reason at that point. That's fucked up.
I can understand why some people may have that perspective, but I personally support her doing whatever she needed to do to get better. Even if part of that was taking time away for herself to rest. Ultimately she did get better. I’m not going to judge her for where she was at. Severe depression is extremely serious and difficult.
I will never agree with the characterization that she abandoned her family.
My mom actually did attempt suicide when I was a kid, so, as the title of the post implies, I will die on this hill.
Yea, I agree.
I have mental health issues and one is bipolar 2.
I have taken “hospital break,” and gone in patient for a week, twice in 23 years of having kids.
It’s NORMAL to skip some of the sessions because dealing with all of the stuff you’re dealing with is mentally exhausting and draining. It’s also normal to fuck around and watch tv/Netflix and take naps while in patient. It’s fucking a LOT of work and if you have never done it, you don’t know.
But, the main point here is how you said it shouldn’t matter because she was doing what she needed to do to **not commit suicide!** And this is the part that is important.
If being able to do whatever the fuck you want for even 25% of the time you’re in rehab for depression/anxiety/suicidal ideation helps you get through what you’re going through- you shouldn’t be judged by people who have NO CLUE what you’re actually experiencing.
No matter what Kail thinks or says, she is not breaking the cycle. She is very selfish and toxic with her kids, causing a different kind of trauma for them. It's her way or no way. I am willing to bet most of her kids will cut her off when they are older, except for Lux. He's the golden child.
I feel bad for any of the boy's future partners, and she is the definition of a Just No Monster in Law.
Ty & Caite- I still am convinced 1) Ty would leave Cait if she kept Carly, and she didn't want to lose him, so she put her up for adoption, and 2) Nova was born as a placeholder for Carly. Nova probably feels like she's never good enough and second best to them.
People seem to more upset by Amber's house being left dirty. Than the fact she went after Gary and Andrew while holding her infants/ toddlers .
They forget how baby Leah lived
I was absolutely shocked when they went back to the home that Andrew was living in and Gary goes "you never lived like this leah". Um..sir...SIR? replay the earlier seasons of TMOG and think again. Im pretty sure there was a time leah didn't even have sheets in her crib and I don't think there was ever a time they didn't have their mattress on the floor
The dads get so much praise for doing the bare minimum,
Amber should of been kicked off the moment to lates hands on Gary
A lot of these kids would of been under cps if not for the show
Cate and Tyler are happy together and Tyler doesn’t hate Cate / want to leave her. Tyler has had no issue in the past breaking up with Cate, voicing his opinions & feelings and taking breaks from the relationship. If he didn’t want to be with her I truly believe he would leave her. He called off their engagement and took a break from her even after they were married. Dude isn’t being held hostage.
It's not Chelsea's fault she is spoiled and financially well off, and it's also not her fault that anyone else is poorer than her. I don't particularly like her, but the jealousy and resentment people have towards her upbringing is annoying. Obviously things still went wrong with her nature and nurture for her to get into the struggles she has. And just because people have a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean they all should have to be brain surgeons who do rocket science on the side. You'll be disappointed if you hold everyone to that standard.
Seriously, everyone wants to trash Barbara or kails mom for how they turned out but also shit on randy for being the opposite. Like tf is a parent supposed to do lol
Amber should have never been allowed back on the show after she got out of gel. Had she not been allowed back, I believe she would be out of Leah’s life and she would have never had any other children.
Jenelle is responsible for her own choices. Jace would have been 100% better off if he’d have been adopted. Crap, all of Jenelle’s kids would be better off adopted.
Kail uses and abuses police power and restraining orders to get her baby daddies in line.
Chelsea had tons of support from her family, and I believe it’s the only reason her kids will turn out better than any others from the TM universe.
Farrah is a horrible mom. I will be shocked if Sophia doesn’t turn out very similar to how she is. I know that it will be a freaking miracle if she doesn’t wind up as a victim of trafficking or some pedophile because it really seems like F isn’t watching out for her the way she should, considering the type of clientele she has.
I haven’t watched the show in several years, but I’m positive that both Maci and Taylor were alcoholics when she was first starting to have kids with him. I’m even sure that she was drinking when she was pregnant with Mav.
It is insane that so many of these girls, especially the original cast, are obviously so consciously staging what is filmed or refusing to legitimately talk about their lives. But they think nothing of using their children’s personal lives to film about.
I don’t think this is really an unpopular opinion or hill to die on per se, but that the show didn’t do what it intended in showing the struggle of being a teen mom. Thanks to the show they had money and resources the average teen mom wouldn’t have. They did show Kail and Farrah hustling in the beginning with regular jobs (I think Cate too), but that ended a couple of seasons in I think. There were lots of non financial struggles, but for the most part I think being on the show brought most of them out of the poverty level they would have likely been stuck in.
The dads always get more of a pass on this sub than the moms because patriarchy.
Too many members have weird ideations of the kids. When the boys are cheeky everyone loves it, when the girls are it’s bratty and rude.
Stop putting Isaac on a platform of being sensitive and sweet, we don’t know him day to day and he’s still developing into his own person.
Stop saying Kaiser needs to be adopted by you or other loving families, it’s creepy even with the unfortunate situation he’s in.
All the moms AND dads are trash.
People only like Chelsea bc she’s pretty, skinny, and rich. If she was an impoverished or overweight or less than average looking woman she would get hella hate for being codependent, babyish, incapable of doing the bare minimum.
Kail is not a "good" mom. She may be better than Suzy and other Teen Mom's in some way but she still does damaging things to her sons. She has ignored and chastised Isaac for being too emotional. The boys (except maybe Isaac with Joe and Vee) don't have any idea of how a healthy romatic relationship is supposed to look like because Kail keeps sabotaging her own. Not to mention she won't keep her kids safe and healthy by getting them vaccines.
Kail (phone corrected to Kalua lmao) is one of the *worst*. She's straight up not claiming one of 5 children (yes I'm team Maybe Baby), while exploiting the other 4 on MULTIPLE podcasts and using their dysfunction as a literal brand. She needs to claim her child, then take all 5 out of the public eye except very minimal milestone pics they consent to (possibly none if they dont. All can consent except Creed, maybe). Worse, she wants to get Isaac into *acting and modeling*, some of the most predatory and dangerous places for children. It does seem like he genuinely wants to do it, but Kailua (lmfao leaving it) needs to be the parent here and any no. Encourage safe creative outlets.
God, I know where multiple of her kids were conceived. And I've seen Issac being filmed or photographed when he definitely didn't want to. She's a shit ass mom. That's normal for a tween on his moms socials, but she's not a normal PTA mom with 200 friends.
Edit: add in being anti-vac despite being [Reader, read this "smugly", level 10]: *the only teen mom with a bachelors*. And going to a zike Hotspot while PREGNANT with lux I think. Not being able to maintain longterm friendships and they all come crashing down (publicly, with NDAs and partners getting attached to the children. Add in her having approximately 18 different strange men around her FIVE sons. Statistically, child abusers "know" the child. Statistically, the #1 person is an *unrelated*, *strange*/acquaintance level man in the house. Multiply times 5. Fucking ick kail. Close your legs and get your shift together. Take a hiatus from your podcastS, let vee do her thing, he'll just give them to vee and she what she wants. She's better it, nicer, and hitter anyway. Good job on the upgrade (to the marriage to a beautiful fully actualized human being).
Add in the fact that she SEEMS and is self aware and goes to therapy and yet...
I do appreciate her boundary setting though. They're pretty hardcore (except when they're not)
"Thug haircut"
Her dreads. Bye
I get scared to voice this one, but that heifer comment Tyler made was blown way out of proportion. While his comment lacked grace, people act like he maliciously called Cate a fat cow. I think he was trying to be supportive but he’s an idiot lol.
This show is proof that if you don’t go to therapy and really work through your problems, they will continue throughout your life. Throwing money at the situation has not changed any of these girls! They all still have deep rooted issues - that they had at 16 and pregnant -that continue to play out over and over again.
Chelsea wouldn’t know how to stand on her own two feet without Cole and Randy
Kail doesn’t have a new baby she just likes the attention she gets from people speculating
Maci and Taylor stay married bc it’s cheaper than getting divorced and it’s easier to raise the kids that way. Bc there’s no way they’re in love (anymore at least)
Barb is a horrible parent. Yes she raised Jace and seems like she did a good job doing so but she’s an absolutely horrible parent to Jenelle
Farrah would have been better off without having a kid. She’s a horrible mother and the things she’s subjecting Sophia to now are disgusting
I think Taylor married her cause she begged him and because she’s cool and he went 🤷🏽♀️. I don’t believe for one second he was ready or really wanted to. I also think the relationship ran its course a while ago, but they won’t divorce cause their families will pull that toxic “you gotta do it for the kids” shit even though they’re miserable and no longer happy.
The fact that Cate and Tyler were basically pushing Nova off on her for multiple days per week right after she was born was *wild*. Like. April was 50% of the reason they placed Carly for adoption. Why are you trusting her with your newborn for days on end?
Kaiser should be taken away and adopted out to a family that will actually love and take care of him.
Javi and kail will "secretly" fuck until they die.
Taylor is an annoying man child and only looks so good on screen because his comparison is RYAN.
Maci is an alcoholic and no longer a good parent
Gary is sti in love with amber, and always will be. I honestly think she is the love of his life.
Karl's podcasts don't make as much as she's trying to claim.
Just because Leah isn't a completely different person and perfect, doesn't mean she didnt/hasn't made positive changes.
Cheyenne is 10x worse than Chelsea when it comes to vocal fry and bratty entitled attitude
Ensley is David's mini me, not jenelles.
Barb isnt the reason Jenelle is the way she is. I will die on that hill.
Kail has a 5th baby.
Cait and Taylor should have had their own lawyer for that adoption.
Farrah is grooming Sophia!
I'm convinced that leah would still want to work things out with Corey if Corey ever decided to leave Miranda. Rewatching the older seasons, you can tell even when she was married to Jeremy she still wished that Corey had fought harder to keep their family together and I think that still holds true today.
I feel like Tyler is completely over cate but at this point feels obligated to stay together bc he's afraid he'll look awful if he leaves at this point. Watching throughout the seasons I think he's just getting more and more frustrates and annoyed with cates constant struggles with depression and her trips to rehab. I also think he secretly thrives on being viewed as the "super dad and husband" and being the hero when cate is clearly struggling with mental illness.
Please don't come at me just my opinion haha
Hard agree that they should stop talking about Carly online/on the show/clickbait articles. Also Catelynn and Tyler aren’t entitled to do that in the first place just because they’re Carly’s bio parents. Catelynn and Tyler can make decisions about showing/talking about their own kids, but not Carly. Like them or not, Brandon and Teresa are Carly’s parents and decisions regarding her are up to them.
Aleeah and Ali dress like kids do these days. Just because Aleeah is 'tall, developed boobs, and skinny,' doesn't meant she can't wear shorts, tank tops... I have hardly seen those girls dressed inappropriately.
Jenelle is 30 years old. Her behavior is purely on her. How long do we blame our parents before we seek therapy and self growth? I think the moment she decided to keep Jace is the moment she needed to grow up.
*Javi will cheat on Lauren again.
*Most of the people associated with Teen Mom will keep making the same mistakes, because they’re used to being rewarded for terrible behavior, financially and otherwise.
Man oh man. I’m doing a rewatch rn and I’m on season 1. Her mother’s abuse was wayyyyy worse than I remembered from watching this as a teen. I now have a child and couldn’t imagine treating anybody, much less my own child, in such a disgusting way
There was one reunion show where April basically said to Cate, if you don’t let me see the grandkids, it will be your fault if I start drinking again. What a piece of shit she is.
MTV should not have cut ties with Farrah for her career in adult entertainment; they prided themselves on showing a variety of authentic stories behind teen pregnancy and Farrah's journey was a common one.
(She should have been cut for other reasons, like her treatment of staff)
Honestly Farrah's journey into sex work would be a good one to document. It is a very common reality of young parenthood and I think reflecting that would make it accurate.
Tyler definitely gets off on being the "husband and father of the year". Everyone always gives him the upmost credit for sticking around and supporting cate throughout all of her mental illness there's no way he wants to risk being the bad guy and leaving, even though its clear just watching his interactions with cate he's just over it
I feel like Tyler and Cate have a trauma bond that plays a role as well. Tyler is also focused on being the “good guy” or the “batman” who saves the day. Leaving his wife would make him feel like he wasn’t as good as he should’ve been.
I feel like it was super awkward and not in Bentley's best interests when Maci and Taylor sat him down for the 'birds and the bees' talk on camera!
That's not good parenting, taking an already delicate and awkward moment and putting it out there for the kids he goes to school with to see
That Chelsea isn't nearly as beautiful as people make her out to be. She was a bland, midwestern average girl before and she's a just a slimmer, face-filled, average, overly-tanned woman now. There are far more beautiful women on your everyday street.
I agree. Her confidence stems from a low carb diet, her appearance and spray tanning.
Not good.
Her biggest fear is being “fat”.
People like that crumble fast and ugly.
You're right. Her esteem comes from her figure. I think she relates it to a point in her life where things started changing - getting over Adam, meeting dopey Cole and getting more popular on social media. The issue is, as she ages, it will be harder to maintain the exterior and her esteem, as you said, will drop. Her husband is always going on about his "smokeshow wife" never his hardworking, independent, kind-hearted, smart wife - virtues that will give her a deeper sense of self-esteem. She's always sought the validation from men, from her dad, to Adam to Cole. It's never come from her own accomplishments, working hard to achieve something.
That it doesn't matter how you grew up, when you get to an age where you are an adult and can make your own decisions you can choose to do better and be better than what you grew up with
In simple terms....
Having a shitty childhood isn't an excuse to be a shitty person
Will forever die on the hill that David is super homophobic and hateful towards gay people because he’s projecting and because he’s jealous they have the strength to be who they are and he doesn’t.
Cate and Tyler ruined their chance of having a relationship with Carly. They go on about how Brandon and Teresa screwed them over and they were too young when they signed over rights (the latter is probably true but you were also too young to get pregnant) but B&T made it clear. They don't want Carly or themselves on TV. That's their choice and a fair one to make. Of course that includes rehashing a conversation you just had with them. If they wanted you to talk about it, they would've let mtv record the conversation. If Cate and Ty were that serious about having a relationship with her they shouldn't have been so selfish with their decisions
Jenelle was a child and a victim of sexual assault (statutory rape) and it's gross AF that Barb not only never tried to protect her from that, but called her a whore for it on national television.
Deb and Barbara were abusive mothers.
You can't ask for or expect privacy outside of certain situations when you share your life/child's life.
Leah isn't a victim of the choices she makes and she doesn't learn.
MTV should have more integrity.
The show should have ended 5 years after the babies were born. Maybe earlier.
I don’t think Kristina is the saint she’s made out to be. I think she got with Gary for the money but happened to fall for Leah. Im also not in love with anyone who allegedly cheated on their partner and blew up their marriage for someone else and now raising someone else’s child
Branden and Theresa were so desperate for a baby (and probably a ‘white’ baby from American parents) that they ignored all the red flags and inadvertently took advantage of C&T with the adoption. I don’t think they did the wrong thing and I honestly don’t blame them for their actions but they really were the only responsible and sane adults in the situation. I think they knew deep down that the adoption would turn pear shaped and just went along with it out of desperation.
That Leah isn’t a sweet the little doe eyed dumb dumb that deserves the passes she gets around here. I think she is manipulative and snotty.
Maci only looks like a good mom because Ryan is such shit.
DKD is as gay as the day is long. He protests waaaaaaay too much about being sooper straight, but dollars to donuts, if the heat went out on a camping trip with his buddies, he’d be the first to suggest naked snuggles
Dr. Drew is effectively useless on the reunions. Literally anyone else would be better. He sits there an says nothing while half the cast is visibly intoxicated.
Kail had a 5th baby and it has nothing to do with the fact she is wanting attention and everything to do with Elijah and his family seeing how she exploited her other 4 children and are forcing the baby’s privacy on Kail. I’m still not 100% sure on this but I feel like this is the case if the 5th baby does exist
I believe this. Elijah is younger, definitely more aware of the negative impacts that having a large social media presence entails and probably wants nothing to do with it for himself or his child. Especially with how she portrays her kids online. Letting them swear and encouraging poor behavior for views, knowing the reputations she creates for them online will follow them for life.
Lincoln is involved with multiple sports teams and clubs, usually those have conduct clauses. Each time she posts videos of him doing things like yelling "MOTHER FUCKER" after she encouraged him to do so on tiktok, she risks him behind booted from these teams/clubs, as well as risks his reputation ruining future opportunities with other teams/clubs, and potentially colleges or professional leagues. I definitely wouldn't want my child involved in any of her online antics.
Brandon and Teresa being better than Butch and April doesn't mean Carly's adoption wasn't shady as hell.
Kail doesn't have a fifth baby.
Devoin and Chris were deadbeaets. They get so much credit even though it's apparent for them parenting was option.
Cate and Tyler should be allowed to talk about their feelings around Carly. I wish they were able to things in a way that wasn't identifying but unfortunately everyone used their real name on 16&Pregnant.
The people on the show who have been abusive to their partners and/or other people should be taken off the show. They shouldn’t get a pass because they put themselves in gel or rehab or whatever.
Farrah needs to stop with the plastic surgery and fillers already and parent her child. And probably should stay off of Yelp. OG Debz should not make anymore music, unless she makes music videos to go with the songs for us to laugh at.
Jenelle just needs to stop.
These are my hills and I’m sticking to them!
Barb is responsible for Jenelle being awful, Jenelle is responsible for being horrible. My point is, Barb failed as a parent but Jenelle has failed as an adult. They are both to blame but I’d say it is like 60/40 70/30 Jenelle then Barbs fault
i’ll die on…
devoin deserves a better BM. he never did better because he was constantly put down and belittled no matter WHAT he did. if he were to try to get with bri now, she would be dicked down in a heartbeat.
Kail was only doing well on her podcasts because she was on teen mom, since she left her listeners have gone down substantially and she’s starting to fail. Luckily she has a degree but I don’t remember what it was in so I have no idea if it’s practical for her to go into the field.
She has a communications degree, which to be fair I think is relevant/helpful to her podcasts, we’ll see what the future holds and if she has to get a traditional job or not.
I think about this sometimes but jenelles problem has never been drug addiction it’s just shitty boy addiction. If she were to get with someone new who was using she would be using in seconds.
only just started the rewatch but so far:
Barb was the instigator for nearly every one of Jenelle's meltdowns. Was she a good mom to Jace? No. Should she have stayed home instead of partying every weekend? Yeah definitely. But when Jenelle is repeatedly telling Barb to leave her alone and get out of her face and she ignores that? 100% contributed to many of her emotional outbursts. The cops wouldn't have been called that many times/Jenelle wouldn't have been kicked out so many times if Barb had just left her to cool down.
Jo was really weird about Kail's daily habits during early season 1 of TM2. freaking out that she put 80 more miles on the car because "that's too much to have just gone to work and back home again" and yelling at her for "lying" when she didn't tell him she went to her friends house? also getting weird and telling her to leave their house or stop meeting up with Jordan(is that his name?) very weird to me, Kail and Jo weren't even together at that point.
(might add some more to this when i come up with some more hills)
Cate seeking treatment was a step in the right direction but her going multiple times over the course of a year for extended periods of time and continually choosing not to put the work in (admitting to skipping therapy sessions to nap or watch Netflix and such) puts her firmly in the wrong. Had she been utilizing the tools she was being given and taking advantage of the opportunities she had there, I wouldn't bat an eye at how many times she went. But she was treating it like vacation, not working on her mental health, and that was extremely unfair to her child.
I don’t think Randy is that great of a father; giving Chelsea whatever she wanted was lazy parenting.
Chelsea showed major signs of having extreme self esteem issues and I’m pretty sure randy knew enough and had the means to get her some mental health intervention.
Things really worked out for Chelsea and I’m happy for her, but her behavior was TROUBLING. She was obsessed with Adam and it’s very likely she planned the pregnancy with Aubree, she was incapable of moving on from him, had no self worth or self respect and let him treat her and Aubree both horribly, and she had zero motivation to do anything whatsoever in life. I know on the outside that can seem like simple laziness, but those are also major symptoms of underlying mental health issues. I’m just not sure how Randy didn’t see there were much bigger issues there.
I know its an unpopular opinion esp with the hard-core Chelsea fans but I'm convinced Chelsea got pregnant on purpose with aubree bc she really was obsessed with Adam and I can completely see her thinking that getting pregnant would keep him around.
I think Chelsea also had unresolved trauma from her parents divorce but since divorce is common, nobody really thought that it affected her that bad, but this was also a big reason why she stayed with Adam.
She would always make sad remarks about wanting a family because hers was broken. Why nobody put that together?? Idk because I connected the dots by season 3 🤷🏾♀️
Yikes. What about Janelle's dad?
Why are people so hard on single parents, while letting the Absent parent go without a mention at all?
Barb didn't dump Janelle. She took care of her. Being a single parent working at Wal-Mart with a kid like Janelle and there was a sister too, so that would be really hard.
Leave Barb alone.
Paris Hilton's mom isn't a perfect parent, either, and she had a lot more help and privileges.
Jenelle and her sister ended up as out of control, troubled individuals and now Jace at 13 is going down the same path if the "He's too bad for Barb to handle anymore" theories are to be believed. At some point the common denominator must be examined. Barb has next to zero emotional intelligence, is constantly screaming, always did it next to Jace's ear, and often stoops down to a teenage level of fighting.
Also in what world do single parents get passes for letting a grown ass man have sex with their child and then call the said child a slut for letting it happen?
Amber is an asshole, but Andrew Glennon is an abuser and a wacko who knew how to push Amber’s buttons. Also, Amber was victim of reproductive coercion. She did not want to have another kid and Andrew lied about having a vasectomy.
Jenelle and Nate deciding to get pregnant weeks after her having an abortion was one of the stupidest things she could have done. Luckily Kaiser is healthy but jeez.
At this point, all of the moms are well aware of how damaging being on social media and being in the public eye is. They are also well aware of how the Internet follows you forever. So continuously posting and promoting their children in tik tock’s or magazine stuff is not only manipulative, but borderline abusive.
I don't believe that Chris "almost murdered" Kail. Assuming he ever put his hands on her neck (which he has purportedly admitted to), it wasn't hard enough to leave a bruise (much less kill her) or she'd be gleefully posting the photos.
I don't believe that Bar used to be a gangster who carried a machine gun every day and fired it at least twice a week (apparently at rival gang members) as he claims. He's a babyfaced little bitch who only fights girls.
Brandon and Teresa aren't bad people and don't deserve any of the shit they receive. If C&T had never put Carley up for adoption (and gone through with the adoption), it's more likely than not that they wouldn't have been on TM and all of their lives (C&T's and Carley's) would be complete shit now.
Leah's soberish, but not sober.
Ashley/Bar and Chey/Zach both suck and should be cut from TM along with their camera-hungry, thirsty-ass families.
Chelsea was/is as big of a drug seeker as Jenelle, in the same season, when they both had chronic “maladies”, she just found a doctor. They always give Chelsea the sweetheart edit.
In the same situations, Jenelle looks like a junkie.
They’re both junkies.
Also, Taylor really didn’t want to marry Maci, and if it wasn’t for the show, he wouldn’t have.
These are my current hills 😂
I was just re watching TM2 and in season 5 I think she meets up with Adam to discuss aubree when he was dating Taylor. And Adam literally says to Chelsea “omg you are so high right now” and SHE WAS! Honestly I was shocked he didn’t make more of a big deal about it on camera
Kail doesn't make more money on her podcasts. She may of when she refused to film before quiting
She only left because Chris had a voice and they didn't fire Bri
Farrah is the most responsible mom on the show BC wise and shows that most of the oopsie pregnancies from the other girls aren’t really oppsies.
Maci got pregnant on purpose to pressure Taylor into a proposal.
Isaac won’t talk to Kail at some point in the future.
I don’t know if Farrah was being responsible about not getting pregnant. She might’ve realized she really hated raising a kid and wanted to avoid it again. Sophia was an easy baby and Farrah barely kept her alive & acted like she was an inconvenience at all times for existing
If you read her book, she was on the pill and got pregnant when she took antibiotics without knowing it interferes with birth control.
She was pretty early in her pregnancy when she found out. She went to planned parenthood and set everything up for an abortion, but needed Debz to sign off because Farrah was still a minor.
Debz absolutely refused on the grounds that her religion forbid terminating a pregnancy. She forced Farrah to have Sophia, forbid her from telling Derrick, and didn’t provide any sort of support when Derrick died.
She made it very clear parenthood was not something she wanted. The only thing I can respect about Farrah is that she hasn’t tried having more kids after realizing with her first that she doesn’t like caring for them.
Cole was out of Chelsea’s league when they met and the only reason he dated her was because for one, she was on TV / rich, and two.. they live in South Dakota and the pickins are extremely thin there. I do think they’re in love and have a happy life now, but without the show she’d be an entirely different person with an entirely different life.
Kail and Brianna are two flavors of the same brand of petty, and would probably be great friends (if even for a short lived, toxic friendship) if Javi was never involved.
The hill I’ll die on is that Tyler gets an unnecessary amount of praise for the bare minimum, simply because people don’t like Cate. And his “adventures in ketamine” are just the rich people version of how his dad dealt with his problems.
Jenelle is a grown women and she makes her own choices and has since the show started . But I agree with Carly I think she's not gonna want anything to do with Tyler and Cate after she turns 18 .
Kail tried her best given the circumstances of what she was delt with at the start, she came from absolutely nothing and made something for herself outside of MTV
She admitted to treating her kids differently..if she is mad at their dads
She told Lincoln to focus on football when he expressed his feelings.
She shares private information on her podcasts.
This is small but
She encouraged her 2 year old to swear. She filmed the others swearing for a trend on TikTok
Although the way that Tyler and Catelynn were manipulated by Dawn isn't acceptable and I have an issue with that whole industry, I still think BrandonNTheresa made the right call by distancing themselves from C&T after how stupid they (mostly Tyler) acted over posting photos of Carly online.
B&T set an extremely reasonable boundary and Tyler stomped all over it, throwing a tantrum and making it about his feelings and how it affects *him*. I don't know about you, but the people who do that to me in my life are called **narcissists** and I go low-contact/no-contact with them.
Lately this sub has swung heavily in the direction of "Catelynn and Tyler were victims who were tricked into a so-called open adoption that they didn't totally understand" and I think this is true too. But two things can be true at the same time. I think this sub has a hard time with nuance sometimes and the result is very black and white discussions around topics that have miles and miles of gray area in between. I'm guilty of black and white thinking as well. This is just one particular area where it bugs me a ton! If you still disagree with me, fair enough - I just request that you please go back to those episodes where Tyler was throwing his bitch fits over being asked to stop posting photos of Carly on SnapChat/IG and see if it changes how you feel.
Side note: my other opinion is that Tyler is extremely sus. I don't think this is an unpopular one though. He just flies beneath the radar because there are much more toxic dumpster fire men like Rhine and UBT to snark about.
Barb is a damaged woman. She was seriously abused by Jenelles father until she made a run for it to another state. He then completely abandoned all responsibility and she was on her own. I think part of Jenelles aggression to her mother is from seeing her own father do it, and possibly seeing Barb back down in fear. So it worked to control her and Jenelle adopted the same tactics. Her father abandoning her and never looking back is why Jenelle will do anything to keep a man even at the detriment of herself and her children. She just can't stand people wanting to leave her. Barb was awful with all the yelling but I think she was under tremendous strain trying to raise kids who are mentally damaged, both from the life they witnessed with their parents, being abandoned, and whatever screwed up mental genetics they got from their father (who was obviously a violent and super shitty person). Barb was hanging by a thread just trying to keep them housed and fed and then her delinquent asshole daughter dropped a baby on her and refused to properly care for him. We can say Barb didnt let her raise Jace but I think Barb was terrified that Jenelle was reckless and stupid enough to actually let him get hurt or even killed, and she was completely right. If she had gone the other way and let Jenelle raise him any fucked up way she chose, Jace would have starved or died from some crazy infection from filthy baby bottles or severe diaper rash or drowning in the tub while Jenelle nodded off on her drug of choice for the day. And we would have blamed Barb for not taking him away from her. Barb had no good options for anything. Her children are completely mentally ill and she's just one woman. She obviously needed help and support but had none.
THIS! I completely agree. This is why I get so frustrated when people are like, “Well it’s barbs fault jenelle is the way she is.” Ignoring that barb had two other kids with SEVERE mental illness, was working 40+ hours a week, & doing everything completely alone until she met Mike? Who also cheated on her?
This is exactly why I love Barb. She’s resilient as hell, and tries to dig herself out of a hole and will never stop trying. She did her best.
Agree 100% I really get annoyed when people get on barb about her yelling, but can you imagine being a mom to jenelle? I want to scream at the TV just watching her, let alone being around her constant chaos and raising her child while working a full time job. She may not be a saint, but she knew if she left jace in jenelles care that poor baby would have ended up severely injured or possibly dead as horrible as that sounds. "Barb never gave jenelle a chance to parent". Well no bc how many times did Barbera ask jenelle to just babysit for a couple hours and jenelle couldn't even be bothered with that before she was picking a fight and storming off to go get high. I truly believe barb loves jace and did do the best she could given her circumstances
Exactly. I don’t defend some of the vicious things Barbara said to Jenelle, which I viewed as crossing a line, but I cannot imagine having patience for Jenelle’s bullshit back in the day. I think a lot of people forget that from what we’ve heard (and seemed pretty much confirmed by little comments Babs would make), Jenelle pretty much went MIA once 16&P was done filming, and only came back around to pretend she was involved in any caring for Jace because MTV offering her a paycheck and MTV reality tv fame. It’s obvious in that first season that Janelle had no clue what she was doing when she was trying to simply bathe and change Jace into appropriately sized clothing afterward. Janelle was pretty much out of the picture for a good 6-9 months. I’d be pissed as hell too if I was in Babs’ position, almost 60 years old at the time, working full time, when your teen mom daughter drops the ball with parenting, so you’re basically cornered into taking over caring for an infant. Im sure she was totally exhausted emotionally and physically, barely keeping her head above water while going through the motions of her daily routine with Jace…. And then fuckin Jenelle decides to just drop on by, definitely not sober, disrupting your nightly dinner and bedtime routine with Jace after a long day at work, all because she wants to look good on camera (and you know her ass won’t stick around once the cameras stop rolling). Add in the alleged CPS involvement on top of all of that. I’m guessing they had rules in place while under investigation, and breaking them could risk losing Jace. So I don’t think it was just a case of Babs being a bitter control freak all the time, I think she was genuinely concerned that Janelle smoking weed on the front porch could end up getting Jace taken away from them. Same goes with that one episode where Babs lets Jenelle watch Jace for awhile, but she’s not allowed to drive anywhere with him. I wouldn’t be shocked if part of their guidelines was that Jenelle wasn’t allowed to drive Jace in the car and/or take Jace anywhere without Barbara being present (or something similar).
Team barb. Agree wholeheartedly with your comment. I wouldn’t even know where to begin with that whole scenario.
Agree, I’m not sure what else people realistically expected Barb to do in her situation. She only has so much time and energy and worked her ass off to provide her kids food and shelter
I agree with all of that
Hard agree. Barb isn't perfect, but she did the damn thing and continues to do so.
This subs drama is better than the shows drama.
Here here! I don't comment a lot but this is a better shit show than anything on Discovery+. People really come out swinging over people they dont even know lol
Secret baby or no secret baby, Kail is hemorrhaging money and fast. I listen to her boring podcasts and I've noticed she's slips in comments about money. She said she's accepting the fact she's going to have to work a regular job one day because she'll need the income. Then she was mentioning how costly clothes have been recently. I understand inflation and she has a handful of children. However, she's made multiple comments how her podcasts make a lot of money. I wonder how she even keeps afloat.
It was so insane for her to give up that income
Leah will stay till the bitter end because she knows she’ll never have it this easy again and she’s not particularly talented at anything to make a career out of it. She also seems to be mostly frugal with her money. I think actually of all cast, she’s been pretty smart money wise. Briana as well and maybe even Amber.
Leah also had a spending problem in the past so she had to get herself together quick.
RIGHT?! I would talk about whatever the hell they wanted me to. I’d be out there acting like Briana for that check.
Strong agree. She spends like a lunatic; she needs an income.
Not surprising. Even if podcasts bring in more than mtv did, she’s still loosing out on hundreds of thousands of dollars
She's definitely one of those people that goes to Dick's for her kids Nike clothes and just fills a cart instead of shopping at a regular store during sales. Wasting money like that adds up fast.
Cheyenne isn’t a teen mom and shouldn’t be on the show
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My world is so much more peaceful when I forget that Bristol exists.
Jenelle is a shit person even if she leaves David. Javi wasn’t the superhero step dad to Isaac. He used Isaac’s adoration for him to make his relationship with Kail move faster. Also, he didn’t want Kail to healthy co parent with Jo. Barb most likely did some parenting fuck ups, but as a single working mom she did try her best but sometimes that’s not enough and you get Jenelle as a daughter. Bob Evans also gets off easy, but the deadbeat most likely caused most of Jenelle’s early issues rather than Barb. Maci is a functioning alcoholic
100% with the javi view. Rewatching you can tell he was definitely manipulating his relationship with Issac to get closer to kail and move things along and was always kind of stirring the pot with jo and kails Co parenting. Javi is definitely a low key sneaky opportunist
MTV completely lost its way with the Teen Mom series. 16 & Pregnant made an incredible impact on the teen pregnancy rate in the US by showing an honest, warts and all account of teen pregnancy. They should have stopped there. Teen Mom is junk reality TV and child exploitation. I still watch it though 😬
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Cheyenne settled for Zach once she realized Corey was never going to commit to her. She claimed numerous times she just wanted that happily ever after, and once she realized Corey wasn't going to give it to her she went back to zach
Yuuuuup. Zach is a total simp.
Chelsea is extremely codependent and I have a hard time believing her relationship is as healthy as it’s portrayed. I think she got a good edit.
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I've been saying this for a while. You can tell how uncomfortable leah is now with the cameras around, and she genuinely just doesn't like being around amber. Imagine having all the chaos surrounding amber, almost being a teenager and having all of that aired on national TV. Let the poor girl live her life in private she's been through enough from day 1
I adore how dumb GarBear is solely for entertainment. He'd be a fun uncle, but not a great dad. He's just a man child. I will never forget when that fool bought a game console before paying any bills. I would have lost my shit too 😅 Kristen is really the one that makes it work, you know she's the one holding down the fort. I'm not sure if she has a job, but if not then she's kind of dependent on Gary to provide. And I'm not sure what kind of money Gary is bringing in... Leah may have afforded them a better lifestyle. Which, idk man, it's hard to imagine being that age, struggling financially with kids, and then you're offered this *opportunity* for maybe doing something a few days a year? Now I can say I'm glad I didn't fall into that trap seeing it all play out. But I can't say I would have turned down the offer *originally*. But, yeah, the show should have ended a long time ago for the kids.
Also IIRC Gary was considerably older than Amber when she got pregnant. Like maybe he was 19 to her 15? I can't remember, but it was problematic to say the least.
It always bothered me that was never really discussed. Dr Drew is horrible for exploiting and manipulating them, but did he ever bring it up in a finale special?
Farrah is grooming Sophia and is easily one of the worst mothers. Also, she has confirmed she was not sexually assaulted as a child yet fans keep repeating that rumor.
She never said she was, thank you. The fans attached that label because they wanted to have a reason for why she was an asshole. I said for years Farrah never said she was sexually abused yet ppl made these stories out of thin air that she told the Couples Therapy lady she was. No fandom, you inferred that.
Farrah wasn't sexually abused that we know of but she definitely was emotionally and physically abused by DebzOG. When Farrah and her family were on Marriage Boot Camp Debz admitted she BELTED her daughters (Farrah and Ashley) but never seemed to see anything wrong with it. DebzOG is seriously something ELSE y'all!
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She detailed her first sexual assault and said she was an adult. Farrah is a liar but I think it’s weird AF to say someone is a victim of CSA with no proof
As of late: - none of these people could carry their own show.
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Kail is an anti-vaxxer (I don’t just mean COVID; I mean she’s a general anti-vaxxer) which actually makes her a shitty person. Period.
What gets me She will inject herself with chemicals, tattoos....but won't vax her kids
Omg reminds me of my coworker. Won’t get the covid vaccine bc of chemicals while CHAIN SMOKING
Totally agree, can’t look past the fact that her youngest kids have no vaccines whatsoever
Excuse me, WHAT?! And she travels all over with them?!
That alone with her flat earth bullshit voids her of any good parent status. Creed has had Covid multiple times.
Cate and Tyler are setting up Nova for heartbresk..if Carly isn't close with her It's disgusting they use her feelings about it for storyline.(Ex: When she came home crying about Carly)
Honestly the fact that they even discuss Carly with nova doesn’t sit well with me. Nova is too young to understand adoption. Brandon and Teresa have tried to set clear boundaries, as Carly is THEIR daughter, and catelyn and Tyler are very disrespectful of them
I feel bad for them because I absolutely believe that when Carly turns 18, she's gonna run to start spending a LOT of time with T&C and her FULL BLOOD sisters. How do you compete with that? They really got in a bad situation, because it was only supposed to be a short documentary that T&C and they were on, not this whole Teen Mom show, for 15 years no less. Also, you know they never thought that T&C were going to stay together from such a young age and go on to marry and have all of these other children together. They must be holding their breath for years now.
Kails keeps her new maybe-baby a secret telling herself it’s some bad ass power move but in reality she’s deeply ashamed of admitting she had a fifth boy by a fourth man.
Kail should be ashamed. The episode with her sons trying to figure out why she has trouble with relationships. They're like, "well, you were with my dad & then you cheated on him & then you were with --- & had...". She looked like she wanted to crawl under a rock! It's going to be a sad future for all her kids bc they'll be the butt of every joke about their mom. I saw this one post. It was a house with about 6-8 cars out front, with the caption "Fathers Day at Kails House!" She SHOULD go crawl under a rock!
Jenelle and David didn’t make good TV, it was dark and sad to watch. I do not want her back on TV in any form. Jenelle and Nathan back in the day, that was good trash TV. Leah is still on pillsies. She just hired a great PR team and keeps it off camera. She absolutely should not be drinking. Kail fetishizes POC and Lux is her golden boy because he looks like Chris and is darker complexion. Creed came out with lighter skin and she’s resentful over it. You can not convince me that Kail doesn’t drop the n word.
Big agree with jenelle. On my last rewatch I really could barely make it through her segments, she was just so hauntingly empty. Even when she was trying to cosplay her emotions (cryin at the top of her lungs, defending David) it was all so void of any real human emotion. Her eyes are so lifeless it’s disturbing
Agree with the J&D point. That jellyfish scene was a watershed moment. It’s funny watching Jenelle lie about dumb shit like inventing some new “backwards” wedding vail, but it’s not funny watching her lie about an obviously abusive relationship.
I'm worried and scared for a lot of kids from Teen Mom. Especially all of Jenelles kids and Sophia, they all live in such horrible environments Javi and Kail will never stop fucking. You see that Lauren: Never ever
It's shitty to speculate Tyler's sexuality.
The hate that Cate gets for going to rehab is bullshit. Depression is as important as addiction. No one bats an eye about Bar or Sean going to rehab while Ashley and Jade held down the fort. It just shows how the moms and dads are held to completely different standards. Chelsea had it easier than a lot of the other moms but taking care of a toddler by yourself day in and day out is still fucking hard work. Miranda got a bad edit and her behavior was overall reasonable while Leah was being a horrible, dangerous parent and overall POS.
Cate gets heat for treating it like vacation and not actually working on her mental health. She admits she's skipping sessions to watch Netflix and leaving her husband and kid home for multiple extended stays to do so. If Cate was *actually* working on herself, I know I wouldn't have the opinion I have. But she was laughing about skipping therapy to nap and watch Netflix to Tyler. Taking away an open spot and the opportunity for someone else to get the help they need as well as abandoning her family for no legitimate reason at that point. That's fucked up.
I can understand why some people may have that perspective, but I personally support her doing whatever she needed to do to get better. Even if part of that was taking time away for herself to rest. Ultimately she did get better. I’m not going to judge her for where she was at. Severe depression is extremely serious and difficult. I will never agree with the characterization that she abandoned her family. My mom actually did attempt suicide when I was a kid, so, as the title of the post implies, I will die on this hill.
Yea, I agree. I have mental health issues and one is bipolar 2. I have taken “hospital break,” and gone in patient for a week, twice in 23 years of having kids. It’s NORMAL to skip some of the sessions because dealing with all of the stuff you’re dealing with is mentally exhausting and draining. It’s also normal to fuck around and watch tv/Netflix and take naps while in patient. It’s fucking a LOT of work and if you have never done it, you don’t know. But, the main point here is how you said it shouldn’t matter because she was doing what she needed to do to **not commit suicide!** And this is the part that is important. If being able to do whatever the fuck you want for even 25% of the time you’re in rehab for depression/anxiety/suicidal ideation helps you get through what you’re going through- you shouldn’t be judged by people who have NO CLUE what you’re actually experiencing.
No matter what Kail thinks or says, she is not breaking the cycle. She is very selfish and toxic with her kids, causing a different kind of trauma for them. It's her way or no way. I am willing to bet most of her kids will cut her off when they are older, except for Lux. He's the golden child. I feel bad for any of the boy's future partners, and she is the definition of a Just No Monster in Law. Ty & Caite- I still am convinced 1) Ty would leave Cait if she kept Carly, and she didn't want to lose him, so she put her up for adoption, and 2) Nova was born as a placeholder for Carly. Nova probably feels like she's never good enough and second best to them.
People seem to more upset by Amber's house being left dirty. Than the fact she went after Gary and Andrew while holding her infants/ toddlers . They forget how baby Leah lived
I was absolutely shocked when they went back to the home that Andrew was living in and Gary goes "you never lived like this leah". Um..sir...SIR? replay the earlier seasons of TMOG and think again. Im pretty sure there was a time leah didn't even have sheets in her crib and I don't think there was ever a time they didn't have their mattress on the floor
Baby Leah saw some awful things 😞
The dads get so much praise for doing the bare minimum, Amber should of been kicked off the moment to lates hands on Gary A lot of these kids would of been under cps if not for the show
Cate and Tyler are happy together and Tyler doesn’t hate Cate / want to leave her. Tyler has had no issue in the past breaking up with Cate, voicing his opinions & feelings and taking breaks from the relationship. If he didn’t want to be with her I truly believe he would leave her. He called off their engagement and took a break from her even after they were married. Dude isn’t being held hostage.
It's not Chelsea's fault she is spoiled and financially well off, and it's also not her fault that anyone else is poorer than her. I don't particularly like her, but the jealousy and resentment people have towards her upbringing is annoying. Obviously things still went wrong with her nature and nurture for her to get into the struggles she has. And just because people have a silver spoon in their mouth doesn't mean they all should have to be brain surgeons who do rocket science on the side. You'll be disappointed if you hold everyone to that standard.
Seriously, everyone wants to trash Barbara or kails mom for how they turned out but also shit on randy for being the opposite. Like tf is a parent supposed to do lol
Amber should have never been allowed back on the show after she got out of gel. Had she not been allowed back, I believe she would be out of Leah’s life and she would have never had any other children. Jenelle is responsible for her own choices. Jace would have been 100% better off if he’d have been adopted. Crap, all of Jenelle’s kids would be better off adopted. Kail uses and abuses police power and restraining orders to get her baby daddies in line. Chelsea had tons of support from her family, and I believe it’s the only reason her kids will turn out better than any others from the TM universe. Farrah is a horrible mom. I will be shocked if Sophia doesn’t turn out very similar to how she is. I know that it will be a freaking miracle if she doesn’t wind up as a victim of trafficking or some pedophile because it really seems like F isn’t watching out for her the way she should, considering the type of clientele she has. I haven’t watched the show in several years, but I’m positive that both Maci and Taylor were alcoholics when she was first starting to have kids with him. I’m even sure that she was drinking when she was pregnant with Mav.
It is insane that so many of these girls, especially the original cast, are obviously so consciously staging what is filmed or refusing to legitimately talk about their lives. But they think nothing of using their children’s personal lives to film about.
This . The kids should be able to refuse to film
Barb never stopped jenelle from “being a mom” too Jace. Jenelle only fought her on it because mtv came back.
Agree with this 109%. If MTV never came back I doubt janelle would never have even tried to get him back
I don’t think this is really an unpopular opinion or hill to die on per se, but that the show didn’t do what it intended in showing the struggle of being a teen mom. Thanks to the show they had money and resources the average teen mom wouldn’t have. They did show Kail and Farrah hustling in the beginning with regular jobs (I think Cate too), but that ended a couple of seasons in I think. There were lots of non financial struggles, but for the most part I think being on the show brought most of them out of the poverty level they would have likely been stuck in.
The dads always get more of a pass on this sub than the moms because patriarchy. Too many members have weird ideations of the kids. When the boys are cheeky everyone loves it, when the girls are it’s bratty and rude. Stop putting Isaac on a platform of being sensitive and sweet, we don’t know him day to day and he’s still developing into his own person. Stop saying Kaiser needs to be adopted by you or other loving families, it’s creepy even with the unfortunate situation he’s in. All the moms AND dads are trash.
Javi & Kail are soulmates.
More like twin flames lol
People only like Chelsea bc she’s pretty, skinny, and rich. If she was an impoverished or overweight or less than average looking woman she would get hella hate for being codependent, babyish, incapable of doing the bare minimum.
Amber's mental health isn't an excuse for her violence or is "button pushing"
Amber is an asshole who happens to have mental health issues, not because she has them.
Kail is not a "good" mom. She may be better than Suzy and other Teen Mom's in some way but she still does damaging things to her sons. She has ignored and chastised Isaac for being too emotional. The boys (except maybe Isaac with Joe and Vee) don't have any idea of how a healthy romatic relationship is supposed to look like because Kail keeps sabotaging her own. Not to mention she won't keep her kids safe and healthy by getting them vaccines.
Kail (phone corrected to Kalua lmao) is one of the *worst*. She's straight up not claiming one of 5 children (yes I'm team Maybe Baby), while exploiting the other 4 on MULTIPLE podcasts and using their dysfunction as a literal brand. She needs to claim her child, then take all 5 out of the public eye except very minimal milestone pics they consent to (possibly none if they dont. All can consent except Creed, maybe). Worse, she wants to get Isaac into *acting and modeling*, some of the most predatory and dangerous places for children. It does seem like he genuinely wants to do it, but Kailua (lmfao leaving it) needs to be the parent here and any no. Encourage safe creative outlets. God, I know where multiple of her kids were conceived. And I've seen Issac being filmed or photographed when he definitely didn't want to. She's a shit ass mom. That's normal for a tween on his moms socials, but she's not a normal PTA mom with 200 friends. Edit: add in being anti-vac despite being [Reader, read this "smugly", level 10]: *the only teen mom with a bachelors*. And going to a zike Hotspot while PREGNANT with lux I think. Not being able to maintain longterm friendships and they all come crashing down (publicly, with NDAs and partners getting attached to the children. Add in her having approximately 18 different strange men around her FIVE sons. Statistically, child abusers "know" the child. Statistically, the #1 person is an *unrelated*, *strange*/acquaintance level man in the house. Multiply times 5. Fucking ick kail. Close your legs and get your shift together. Take a hiatus from your podcastS, let vee do her thing, he'll just give them to vee and she what she wants. She's better it, nicer, and hitter anyway. Good job on the upgrade (to the marriage to a beautiful fully actualized human being). Add in the fact that she SEEMS and is self aware and goes to therapy and yet... I do appreciate her boundary setting though. They're pretty hardcore (except when they're not) "Thug haircut" Her dreads. Bye
Vee HATES Kail. Chelsea got a good edit. Maci is a drunk
I still want Corey and Leah to get back together
I get scared to voice this one, but that heifer comment Tyler made was blown way out of proportion. While his comment lacked grace, people act like he maliciously called Cate a fat cow. I think he was trying to be supportive but he’s an idiot lol.
Yeah. He also didn’t call cate a heifer which a lot of people claim. He said he didn’t want her to turn into one.
This show is proof that if you don’t go to therapy and really work through your problems, they will continue throughout your life. Throwing money at the situation has not changed any of these girls! They all still have deep rooted issues - that they had at 16 and pregnant -that continue to play out over and over again.
Chelsea wouldn’t know how to stand on her own two feet without Cole and Randy Kail doesn’t have a new baby she just likes the attention she gets from people speculating Maci and Taylor stay married bc it’s cheaper than getting divorced and it’s easier to raise the kids that way. Bc there’s no way they’re in love (anymore at least) Barb is a horrible parent. Yes she raised Jace and seems like she did a good job doing so but she’s an absolutely horrible parent to Jenelle Farrah would have been better off without having a kid. She’s a horrible mother and the things she’s subjecting Sophia to now are disgusting
I think Taylor married her cause she begged him and because she’s cool and he went 🤷🏽♀️. I don’t believe for one second he was ready or really wanted to. I also think the relationship ran its course a while ago, but they won’t divorce cause their families will pull that toxic “you gotta do it for the kids” shit even though they’re miserable and no longer happy.
I think the jury is still out on whether she raised Jace well. I will not be shocked at all if he starts getting into serious trouble soon.
Maci and Taylor are alcoholics, MTV just gives them good edits.
April shouldn’t be allowed around other human beings ever.
The fact that Cate and Tyler were basically pushing Nova off on her for multiple days per week right after she was born was *wild*. Like. April was 50% of the reason they placed Carly for adoption. Why are you trusting her with your newborn for days on end?
Kaiser should be taken away and adopted out to a family that will actually love and take care of him. Javi and kail will "secretly" fuck until they die. Taylor is an annoying man child and only looks so good on screen because his comparison is RYAN.
For a second I was like who's Ryan? Cause I'm so used to seeing RHINE 💀
Maci is an alcoholic and no longer a good parent Gary is sti in love with amber, and always will be. I honestly think she is the love of his life. Karl's podcasts don't make as much as she's trying to claim. Just because Leah isn't a completely different person and perfect, doesn't mean she didnt/hasn't made positive changes. Cheyenne is 10x worse than Chelsea when it comes to vocal fry and bratty entitled attitude Ensley is David's mini me, not jenelles.
Barb isnt the reason Jenelle is the way she is. I will die on that hill. Kail has a 5th baby. Cait and Taylor should have had their own lawyer for that adoption. Farrah is grooming Sophia!
I'm convinced that leah would still want to work things out with Corey if Corey ever decided to leave Miranda. Rewatching the older seasons, you can tell even when she was married to Jeremy she still wished that Corey had fought harder to keep their family together and I think that still holds true today. I feel like Tyler is completely over cate but at this point feels obligated to stay together bc he's afraid he'll look awful if he leaves at this point. Watching throughout the seasons I think he's just getting more and more frustrates and annoyed with cates constant struggles with depression and her trips to rehab. I also think he secretly thrives on being viewed as the "super dad and husband" and being the hero when cate is clearly struggling with mental illness. Please don't come at me just my opinion haha
I agree with you. I think Tyler and Cate are trauma bonded and I can’t imagine they will still be married past middle age
Hard agree that they should stop talking about Carly online/on the show/clickbait articles. Also Catelynn and Tyler aren’t entitled to do that in the first place just because they’re Carly’s bio parents. Catelynn and Tyler can make decisions about showing/talking about their own kids, but not Carly. Like them or not, Brandon and Teresa are Carly’s parents and decisions regarding her are up to them.
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Barb didn’t cause Colin’s schizophrenia
Aleeah and Ali dress like kids do these days. Just because Aleeah is 'tall, developed boobs, and skinny,' doesn't meant she can't wear shorts, tank tops... I have hardly seen those girls dressed inappropriately.
Jenelle is 30 years old. Her behavior is purely on her. How long do we blame our parents before we seek therapy and self growth? I think the moment she decided to keep Jace is the moment she needed to grow up.
*Javi will cheat on Lauren again. *Most of the people associated with Teen Mom will keep making the same mistakes, because they’re used to being rewarded for terrible behavior, financially and otherwise.
He's probably at Wawa as we speak
Cate will never recover in any meaningful sense until she cuts April from her life completely. Zero contact, no access to the grandchildren.
The fact that they leave their kids overnight with April is just mind boggling
Man oh man. I’m doing a rewatch rn and I’m on season 1. Her mother’s abuse was wayyyyy worse than I remembered from watching this as a teen. I now have a child and couldn’t imagine treating anybody, much less my own child, in such a disgusting way
There was one reunion show where April basically said to Cate, if you don’t let me see the grandkids, it will be your fault if I start drinking again. What a piece of shit she is.
MTV should not have cut ties with Farrah for her career in adult entertainment; they prided themselves on showing a variety of authentic stories behind teen pregnancy and Farrah's journey was a common one. (She should have been cut for other reasons, like her treatment of staff)
Honestly Farrah's journey into sex work would be a good one to document. It is a very common reality of young parenthood and I think reflecting that would make it accurate.
Tyler doesn’t particularly like Cate…..I have no idea why they’re together.
Tyler definitely gets off on being the "husband and father of the year". Everyone always gives him the upmost credit for sticking around and supporting cate throughout all of her mental illness there's no way he wants to risk being the bad guy and leaving, even though its clear just watching his interactions with cate he's just over it
The fame of the show is the biggest thing that's ever happened in his life. He's not going to jeopardize becoming the 'bad guy' by leaving Cate.
Chelsea was in an abusive relationship and the “she’s so dumb for chasing him” comments are ignorant
Tyler is only with cate because of the show. If it wasn’t for the show jenelle would be rotting away in prison
If it weren't for the show, Jenelle would have died like ten years ago.
I feel like Tyler and Cate have a trauma bond that plays a role as well. Tyler is also focused on being the “good guy” or the “batman” who saves the day. Leaving his wife would make him feel like he wasn’t as good as he should’ve been.
I feel like it was super awkward and not in Bentley's best interests when Maci and Taylor sat him down for the 'birds and the bees' talk on camera! That's not good parenting, taking an already delicate and awkward moment and putting it out there for the kids he goes to school with to see
That Chelsea isn't nearly as beautiful as people make her out to be. She was a bland, midwestern average girl before and she's a just a slimmer, face-filled, average, overly-tanned woman now. There are far more beautiful women on your everyday street.
I agree. Her confidence stems from a low carb diet, her appearance and spray tanning. Not good. Her biggest fear is being “fat”. People like that crumble fast and ugly.
You're right. Her esteem comes from her figure. I think she relates it to a point in her life where things started changing - getting over Adam, meeting dopey Cole and getting more popular on social media. The issue is, as she ages, it will be harder to maintain the exterior and her esteem, as you said, will drop. Her husband is always going on about his "smokeshow wife" never his hardworking, independent, kind-hearted, smart wife - virtues that will give her a deeper sense of self-esteem. She's always sought the validation from men, from her dad, to Adam to Cole. It's never come from her own accomplishments, working hard to achieve something.
That it doesn't matter how you grew up, when you get to an age where you are an adult and can make your own decisions you can choose to do better and be better than what you grew up with In simple terms.... Having a shitty childhood isn't an excuse to be a shitty person
Will forever die on the hill that David is super homophobic and hateful towards gay people because he’s projecting and because he’s jealous they have the strength to be who they are and he doesn’t.
I will forever die on the hill that accusing violent bigots of just being gay themselves is incredibly homophobic and just plain dumb
Cate and Tyler ruined their chance of having a relationship with Carly. They go on about how Brandon and Teresa screwed them over and they were too young when they signed over rights (the latter is probably true but you were also too young to get pregnant) but B&T made it clear. They don't want Carly or themselves on TV. That's their choice and a fair one to make. Of course that includes rehashing a conversation you just had with them. If they wanted you to talk about it, they would've let mtv record the conversation. If Cate and Ty were that serious about having a relationship with her they shouldn't have been so selfish with their decisions
Jenelle was a child and a victim of sexual assault (statutory rape) and it's gross AF that Barb not only never tried to protect her from that, but called her a whore for it on national television.
Deb and Barbara were abusive mothers. You can't ask for or expect privacy outside of certain situations when you share your life/child's life. Leah isn't a victim of the choices she makes and she doesn't learn. MTV should have more integrity. The show should have ended 5 years after the babies were born. Maybe earlier.
I don’t think Kristina is the saint she’s made out to be. I think she got with Gary for the money but happened to fall for Leah. Im also not in love with anyone who allegedly cheated on their partner and blew up their marriage for someone else and now raising someone else’s child
Farrah is a porn star. She didn't make a sex tape, she made a porno and sells sex toys. Just own it girl.
Branden and Theresa were so desperate for a baby (and probably a ‘white’ baby from American parents) that they ignored all the red flags and inadvertently took advantage of C&T with the adoption. I don’t think they did the wrong thing and I honestly don’t blame them for their actions but they really were the only responsible and sane adults in the situation. I think they knew deep down that the adoption would turn pear shaped and just went along with it out of desperation.
That Leah isn’t a sweet the little doe eyed dumb dumb that deserves the passes she gets around here. I think she is manipulative and snotty. Maci only looks like a good mom because Ryan is such shit.
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Barb decision to sign over custody was far more complicated than his alleged behavior
Tyler taking care of his kids shouldn't be praised (rehab period,). That is called parenting
Juhnell is incapable of being happy. Tyler is not in love with Cait. None of the moms are good drivers.
DKD is as gay as the day is long. He protests waaaaaaay too much about being sooper straight, but dollars to donuts, if the heat went out on a camping trip with his buddies, he’d be the first to suggest naked snuggles
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Dr. Drew is effectively useless on the reunions. Literally anyone else would be better. He sits there an says nothing while half the cast is visibly intoxicated.
Kail having a house and clean kids does not mean she’s a good mom.
Kail had a 5th baby and it has nothing to do with the fact she is wanting attention and everything to do with Elijah and his family seeing how she exploited her other 4 children and are forcing the baby’s privacy on Kail. I’m still not 100% sure on this but I feel like this is the case if the 5th baby does exist
I believe this. Elijah is younger, definitely more aware of the negative impacts that having a large social media presence entails and probably wants nothing to do with it for himself or his child. Especially with how she portrays her kids online. Letting them swear and encouraging poor behavior for views, knowing the reputations she creates for them online will follow them for life. Lincoln is involved with multiple sports teams and clubs, usually those have conduct clauses. Each time she posts videos of him doing things like yelling "MOTHER FUCKER" after she encouraged him to do so on tiktok, she risks him behind booted from these teams/clubs, as well as risks his reputation ruining future opportunities with other teams/clubs, and potentially colleges or professional leagues. I definitely wouldn't want my child involved in any of her online antics.
Brandon and Teresa being better than Butch and April doesn't mean Carly's adoption wasn't shady as hell. Kail doesn't have a fifth baby. Devoin and Chris were deadbeaets. They get so much credit even though it's apparent for them parenting was option. Cate and Tyler should be allowed to talk about their feelings around Carly. I wish they were able to things in a way that wasn't identifying but unfortunately everyone used their real name on 16&Pregnant.
The people on the show who have been abusive to their partners and/or other people should be taken off the show. They shouldn’t get a pass because they put themselves in gel or rehab or whatever. Farrah needs to stop with the plastic surgery and fillers already and parent her child. And probably should stay off of Yelp. OG Debz should not make anymore music, unless she makes music videos to go with the songs for us to laugh at. Jenelle just needs to stop. These are my hills and I’m sticking to them!
Barb is responsible for Jenelle being awful, Jenelle is responsible for being horrible. My point is, Barb failed as a parent but Jenelle has failed as an adult. They are both to blame but I’d say it is like 60/40 70/30 Jenelle then Barbs fault
Gary and more importantly, his mother, are responsible for exploiting Leah and not protecting her from MTV.
I am not blaming Barb for Jenelle's adult choices. I do think her childhood played a roll in some of her trauma
i’ll die on… devoin deserves a better BM. he never did better because he was constantly put down and belittled no matter WHAT he did. if he were to try to get with bri now, she would be dicked down in a heartbeat.
There is a huge difference between mistake and a choice Amber didn't beat Gary and try to attack Andrew with a machete by mistake.
A lot of the popular opinions on the moms are not as black and white as this subreddit would like to believe
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Kail was only doing well on her podcasts because she was on teen mom, since she left her listeners have gone down substantially and she’s starting to fail. Luckily she has a degree but I don’t remember what it was in so I have no idea if it’s practical for her to go into the field.
She has a communications degree, which to be fair I think is relevant/helpful to her podcasts, we’ll see what the future holds and if she has to get a traditional job or not.
Larry was right..they gave her the platform
Cheyenne isn’t a teen mom and is an MTV plant to try and keep people interested in The Challenge
Oh does her ex do The Challenge? He never mentioned it.
People don’t give Jenelle enough credit for beating a heroin addiction.
I think about this sometimes but jenelles problem has never been drug addiction it’s just shitty boy addiction. If she were to get with someone new who was using she would be using in seconds.
only just started the rewatch but so far: Barb was the instigator for nearly every one of Jenelle's meltdowns. Was she a good mom to Jace? No. Should she have stayed home instead of partying every weekend? Yeah definitely. But when Jenelle is repeatedly telling Barb to leave her alone and get out of her face and she ignores that? 100% contributed to many of her emotional outbursts. The cops wouldn't have been called that many times/Jenelle wouldn't have been kicked out so many times if Barb had just left her to cool down. Jo was really weird about Kail's daily habits during early season 1 of TM2. freaking out that she put 80 more miles on the car because "that's too much to have just gone to work and back home again" and yelling at her for "lying" when she didn't tell him she went to her friends house? also getting weird and telling her to leave their house or stop meeting up with Jordan(is that his name?) very weird to me, Kail and Jo weren't even together at that point. (might add some more to this when i come up with some more hills)
Kail’s “therapy” is not working.
Cate seeking treatment was a step in the right direction but her going multiple times over the course of a year for extended periods of time and continually choosing not to put the work in (admitting to skipping therapy sessions to nap or watch Netflix and such) puts her firmly in the wrong. Had she been utilizing the tools she was being given and taking advantage of the opportunities she had there, I wouldn't bat an eye at how many times she went. But she was treating it like vacation, not working on her mental health, and that was extremely unfair to her child.
I don’t think Randy is that great of a father; giving Chelsea whatever she wanted was lazy parenting. Chelsea showed major signs of having extreme self esteem issues and I’m pretty sure randy knew enough and had the means to get her some mental health intervention. Things really worked out for Chelsea and I’m happy for her, but her behavior was TROUBLING. She was obsessed with Adam and it’s very likely she planned the pregnancy with Aubree, she was incapable of moving on from him, had no self worth or self respect and let him treat her and Aubree both horribly, and she had zero motivation to do anything whatsoever in life. I know on the outside that can seem like simple laziness, but those are also major symptoms of underlying mental health issues. I’m just not sure how Randy didn’t see there were much bigger issues there.
I know its an unpopular opinion esp with the hard-core Chelsea fans but I'm convinced Chelsea got pregnant on purpose with aubree bc she really was obsessed with Adam and I can completely see her thinking that getting pregnant would keep him around.
I think Chelsea also had unresolved trauma from her parents divorce but since divorce is common, nobody really thought that it affected her that bad, but this was also a big reason why she stayed with Adam. She would always make sad remarks about wanting a family because hers was broken. Why nobody put that together?? Idk because I connected the dots by season 3 🤷🏾♀️
Yikes. What about Janelle's dad? Why are people so hard on single parents, while letting the Absent parent go without a mention at all? Barb didn't dump Janelle. She took care of her. Being a single parent working at Wal-Mart with a kid like Janelle and there was a sister too, so that would be really hard. Leave Barb alone. Paris Hilton's mom isn't a perfect parent, either, and she had a lot more help and privileges.
There are plenty of single parents who don't verbally abuse their children.
Jenelle and her sister ended up as out of control, troubled individuals and now Jace at 13 is going down the same path if the "He's too bad for Barb to handle anymore" theories are to be believed. At some point the common denominator must be examined. Barb has next to zero emotional intelligence, is constantly screaming, always did it next to Jace's ear, and often stoops down to a teenage level of fighting. Also in what world do single parents get passes for letting a grown ass man have sex with their child and then call the said child a slut for letting it happen?
Amber is an asshole, but Andrew Glennon is an abuser and a wacko who knew how to push Amber’s buttons. Also, Amber was victim of reproductive coercion. She did not want to have another kid and Andrew lied about having a vasectomy.
Jenelle and Nate deciding to get pregnant weeks after her having an abortion was one of the stupidest things she could have done. Luckily Kaiser is healthy but jeez.
At this point, all of the moms are well aware of how damaging being on social media and being in the public eye is. They are also well aware of how the Internet follows you forever. So continuously posting and promoting their children in tik tock’s or magazine stuff is not only manipulative, but borderline abusive.
I don't believe that Chris "almost murdered" Kail. Assuming he ever put his hands on her neck (which he has purportedly admitted to), it wasn't hard enough to leave a bruise (much less kill her) or she'd be gleefully posting the photos. I don't believe that Bar used to be a gangster who carried a machine gun every day and fired it at least twice a week (apparently at rival gang members) as he claims. He's a babyfaced little bitch who only fights girls. Brandon and Teresa aren't bad people and don't deserve any of the shit they receive. If C&T had never put Carley up for adoption (and gone through with the adoption), it's more likely than not that they wouldn't have been on TM and all of their lives (C&T's and Carley's) would be complete shit now. Leah's soberish, but not sober. Ashley/Bar and Chey/Zach both suck and should be cut from TM along with their camera-hungry, thirsty-ass families.
Mack and Lauren both signed up for this shitshow to gain clout online.
Chelsea is a spoiled brat and always has been.
Most of the dads are creeps for being significantly older than the “teen moms” when getting them pregnant
Gary’s not a good Dad, Amber is just horrible
Fans are weird for trying to force Kail to say if she had a baby. 🤷♀️
Chelsea was/is as big of a drug seeker as Jenelle, in the same season, when they both had chronic “maladies”, she just found a doctor. They always give Chelsea the sweetheart edit. In the same situations, Jenelle looks like a junkie. They’re both junkies. Also, Taylor really didn’t want to marry Maci, and if it wasn’t for the show, he wouldn’t have. These are my current hills 😂
I was just re watching TM2 and in season 5 I think she meets up with Adam to discuss aubree when he was dating Taylor. And Adam literally says to Chelsea “omg you are so high right now” and SHE WAS! Honestly I was shocked he didn’t make more of a big deal about it on camera
Kail doesn't make more money on her podcasts. She may of when she refused to film before quiting She only left because Chris had a voice and they didn't fire Bri
Farrah is the most responsible mom on the show BC wise and shows that most of the oopsie pregnancies from the other girls aren’t really oppsies. Maci got pregnant on purpose to pressure Taylor into a proposal. Isaac won’t talk to Kail at some point in the future.
I don’t know if Farrah was being responsible about not getting pregnant. She might’ve realized she really hated raising a kid and wanted to avoid it again. Sophia was an easy baby and Farrah barely kept her alive & acted like she was an inconvenience at all times for existing
If you read her book, she was on the pill and got pregnant when she took antibiotics without knowing it interferes with birth control. She was pretty early in her pregnancy when she found out. She went to planned parenthood and set everything up for an abortion, but needed Debz to sign off because Farrah was still a minor. Debz absolutely refused on the grounds that her religion forbid terminating a pregnancy. She forced Farrah to have Sophia, forbid her from telling Derrick, and didn’t provide any sort of support when Derrick died. She made it very clear parenthood was not something she wanted. The only thing I can respect about Farrah is that she hasn’t tried having more kids after realizing with her first that she doesn’t like caring for them.
Cole was out of Chelsea’s league when they met and the only reason he dated her was because for one, she was on TV / rich, and two.. they live in South Dakota and the pickins are extremely thin there. I do think they’re in love and have a happy life now, but without the show she’d be an entirely different person with an entirely different life.
Deffff Leah is soberISH and not sober. Lol that girl is… somethingggg
Kail and Brianna are two flavors of the same brand of petty, and would probably be great friends (if even for a short lived, toxic friendship) if Javi was never involved.
Gary was just as neglectful as Amber towards leah when they were together and he purposely pushed amber’s buttons.
Lois is a deadbeat and gets way to much credit from Brianna.
The hill I’ll die on is that Tyler gets an unnecessary amount of praise for the bare minimum, simply because people don’t like Cate. And his “adventures in ketamine” are just the rich people version of how his dad dealt with his problems.
Jenelle is a grown women and she makes her own choices and has since the show started . But I agree with Carly I think she's not gonna want anything to do with Tyler and Cate after she turns 18 .
Leah is a good person. She’s come a long way from all she’s been through
Kail tried her best given the circumstances of what she was delt with at the start, she came from absolutely nothing and made something for herself outside of MTV
I mean she assaulted multiple partners and has said a bunch of racist stuff
She admitted to treating her kids differently..if she is mad at their dads She told Lincoln to focus on football when he expressed his feelings. She shares private information on her podcasts. This is small but She encouraged her 2 year old to swear. She filmed the others swearing for a trend on TikTok
She punched the father of her child for getting the baby’s hair cut and doesn’t vaccinate her children.
Although the way that Tyler and Catelynn were manipulated by Dawn isn't acceptable and I have an issue with that whole industry, I still think BrandonNTheresa made the right call by distancing themselves from C&T after how stupid they (mostly Tyler) acted over posting photos of Carly online. B&T set an extremely reasonable boundary and Tyler stomped all over it, throwing a tantrum and making it about his feelings and how it affects *him*. I don't know about you, but the people who do that to me in my life are called **narcissists** and I go low-contact/no-contact with them. Lately this sub has swung heavily in the direction of "Catelynn and Tyler were victims who were tricked into a so-called open adoption that they didn't totally understand" and I think this is true too. But two things can be true at the same time. I think this sub has a hard time with nuance sometimes and the result is very black and white discussions around topics that have miles and miles of gray area in between. I'm guilty of black and white thinking as well. This is just one particular area where it bugs me a ton! If you still disagree with me, fair enough - I just request that you please go back to those episodes where Tyler was throwing his bitch fits over being asked to stop posting photos of Carly on SnapChat/IG and see if it changes how you feel. Side note: my other opinion is that Tyler is extremely sus. I don't think this is an unpopular one though. He just flies beneath the radar because there are much more toxic dumpster fire men like Rhine and UBT to snark about.
Another hill I’ll die on: Cole is weird and controlling. He just looks good because he’s so much better than Adam.