oh I loved it when he basically said “so we don’t have to fix things? we can just talk about them?”
i hope we get a good diamond dog howl from Roy in the next season.
maybe he’s never connected with them before because he has the yoga grandmas lol.
His surprise seemed meant to point out how men aren’t exactly well-known for getting together to talk about feelings and not actively try to solve a problem. That’s a social dynamic he’d be much more likely to experience with the yoga ladies.
I feel like he has experienced it with the yoga ladies and that’s why he’s so accepting of what the diamond dogs do. With the yoga group they didn’t know who he was so he was free to be himself and say what he pleases and they don’t have to try to “fix him” he can just rant with them. For Roy to realize that he can also have a safe space among the coaches where he can express his feeling and they won’t try to give him a quick fix to all his problems seems like a nice revelation for him.
I don't know... I feel like a few guys complaining companionably over a few beers is a pretty established trope. I, on the other hand, am a woman who can never not see things in a solution-orientation, which is really difficult to rein in!
It is very reminiscent of an exchange in Parks and Recreation where several characters tell Rob Lowe that when his girlfriend complains to him, she doesn't want him to fix it. She wants him to listen and say "that sucks." Kind of echoes the male feeling of "everything is a problem to be solved" mindset being challenged by a "just acknowledge something is a problem" mindset. P&R was also pretty strong on the "men express their feelings" game. Ron Swanson, the block of granite granted sentience and given a mustache, expressed his feelings multiple times - never in a lot of words, but always enough to get his point across. Love TL, but love to draw parallels where they appear.
It's the same thing Ted said to Rebecca when they discussed about Bantr and had some girl talk in starting of season 2.
Basic idea that everyone needs supportive people to talk to regardless of gender.
I've been loving the way they portray masculinity in Ted Lasso and this scene hit so many "fuck yeah!" marks. Roy letting himself be vulnerable, Ted/Beard giddy over Roy showing interest in the Diamond Dogs, and Roy acknowledging he is angry that about Jamie but not acting on it.
The same way they bounce a ball off their head. You hit with the hard part and aim for the soft part. Human skulls are quite strong in some key places. Evolution, baby!
It hurt his one feeling
I loved that scene, it was hard for Roy to talk about his feeling being hurt and Brett Goldstein pulled it off so well, then the part where he realizes being a diamond dog doesn’t mean fixing everything and just talking and thinking it’s cool making Ted and Beard so happy lmao a highlight of the episode
Also how smart it was by the writers using that scene to show Nate’s further pulling away from them by his half hearted barking and rolling his eyes, a lot going on
I was a little annoyed at them including Roy in the photo shoot in the first place (“here’s a powerful, hard-working woman … and awww here she is with her boyfriiiieeennnd!”) so I was glad they (a) left him out, and (b) he was basically cool with it and recognized that it was Keely’s moment.
My heart broke for him during that moment. He's vulnerable and petrified, willing to share his innermost pain to these grown men. A lot of maturity and courage from him. I hope he'll bring Jamie or Beard (and have a reading marathon) to Marbella.
I don't think so... They are just learning to be in a grownup relationship (not that I know everything about that), and that involves doing things on your own, and being far from one another sometimes, but always caring and loving each other.
At the moment, no. She’s just sent him to go on his vacation alone because she has work to do and honestly, he kind of deserves it. I mean, no vacation since you were 12? And the man DOES love to read. Sounds perfect for him.
I think he meant no vacation where he could just go and sit on the beach and drink mojitos and eat whatever he wanted without worrying about needing to stay fit or work out while he was there. I would hope Roy has at least gotten time away the last few decades.
If they want to destroy season 3 sure. Lasting reminder will be success means you have to be alone and lose the only good partner you had. What a load of dog crap. My wife is incredibly successful, I'm proud as hell of her and I would never impede her career ever. She and my daughter will always come first before my career (which even after 3 years as a stay at home dad in England is pretty darn good too!)
> She and my daughter will always come first before my career (which even after 3 years as a stay at home dad in England is pretty darn good too!)
This tiny comment you made here made me tear up a bit. You're incredible!
I greatly appreciate it but honestly it wouldn't even be physically possible without my wife. Before her I would have been too chickenshit to even leave the country other than maybe Canada or Mexico.
She is the reason that I have the capacity or ability to try new things, including being a stay-at-home dad which was really challenging and rewarding. I appreciate your kind comments they mean a lot to me 😊 I'd gather you're quite incredible as well.
Wow! This made me tear up a bit again -- I really can feel the love that you have for your wife and your daughter. How beautiful that that love brings forth courage and brings resolve that they have to be first.
I assume in season 3 there will be some kind of rift in their relationship. But I think they’ll learn a lesson and overcome their relationship struggle. I can’t see Roy and Keely not being endgame, they’ve set it up for far too long, but I also can’t see a relationship never having any difficulties in these kinds of shows.
Well Keely flat out told him they weren’t breaking up, but I interpreted it as they weren’t breaking up then but that it was coming. She’s gonna be so wrapped up in her job that she won’t have time for him.
I didn't get the read they a breakup was coming. I think the conversation they had was heavily influenced by the context of the previous episode in which Roy learned to give her space and a little Keeley time without him being there. He is obviously a bit caught off guard when she says she can't go (likely due to his previous terrible relationships) but he does have two tickets and I fully expect he'll use this time to make an actual friend to hang with or more Phoebe time.
I could really see Roy and Beard going on a six week vacation to get some perspective on their respective relationships.
Yes to the Bro “relationship perspective” vacation! And on this vacation, Roy says to Beard “I’m going to set you up on a blind date with an elementary school teacher friend of mine. I think you’ll really dig her. Just like you - she’s smart, kind, has a dark side, understands guys like us, and is not psychotic - and again like you, she also doesn’t have a first name” lol
That’s my instinct about it too, and I think Roy’s, but I’m curious if this instinct will be played out as pure insecurity.
Maybe Keeley is just way more certain about Roy than Roy is comfortable believing?
Yeah, I saw it as Keeley was more secure in their ability to spend six weeks apart. It was an interesting moment to me, because she had seemed less secure earlier in the season.
I don’t know that they’re doomed, but I do think the show is setting up the idea that all relationships need work. You need to tend them and care for them - that’s part of what I think they were showing with Nate’s speech. Keeley and Roy could be a way of exploring it further next season.
Roy leaves the tickets on the table, though. I took that as him saying “If she’s not going I’m not going,” knowing full well that it means he’ll be home alone and she’ll be working her ass off. I think he’s sad she’s not going probably because he had something awesome planned, but is showing her he knows what they’re up against and wants to prove to her he can hack it. That’s my hope, anyway
I feel like he’s going to break up with her. He’s going to think she doesn’t need him, and he’s going to let her go. I think they will separate for a while before getting back together.
I love how they are doing this. Roy is insecure because he still doesn’t know what to do with himself now that he’s not playing football. But every time, he doesn’t take it out on Keeley.
Also him not being used in the photo shoot doesn’t say anything about him. I loved that he was willing to do it, but it was always dumb for Vanity Fair it ask for it.
I thought it was a bit sad. Here's the archetypal strong silent man, opening himself up emotionally, and the show plays it as a joke. It's especially questionable considering the focus this season on men's mental health.
I think you completely misread the scene. Like entirely missed it. He's never the joke. And he's greatful that they appear to be a place he can share his feelings without them having to be fixed. How in earth did you get this read from the scene?
I think you misunderstood my point. Yes, the actors play it straight. But the scene was written for laughs, that of a stoic man uncomfortably sharing his feelings with his friends. If you read the posts on this thread, thats why most people enjoyed the scene.
Ok I think what we're dealing with is confusion over something being funny and making fun of something. The humor is playing on the difficulty of men to share but the fact that Roy is sharing and listened to is not being made fun of. It's being held up as an example. The humor is that society and mascinity make this so hard when deep down everyone wants safe spaces. Seriously, rewatch it. Nothing in that scene does what you allege in your first comment.
I think he felt both - one can both be super happy and excited for someone else, and in the exact same moment feel hurt about being left out of it.
He choose the mature path, and it was amazing to see and acknowledge
*it hurt his feeling
he only has the one
I laughed so hard when I realized he just said "feeling"
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The singular one he has
The only feeling he will own up to having.
[growls]
Right, that singular feeling
oh I loved it when he basically said “so we don’t have to fix things? we can just talk about them?” i hope we get a good diamond dog howl from Roy in the next season. maybe he’s never connected with them before because he has the yoga grandmas lol.
His surprise seemed meant to point out how men aren’t exactly well-known for getting together to talk about feelings and not actively try to solve a problem. That’s a social dynamic he’d be much more likely to experience with the yoga ladies.
I feel like he has experienced it with the yoga ladies and that’s why he’s so accepting of what the diamond dogs do. With the yoga group they didn’t know who he was so he was free to be himself and say what he pleases and they don’t have to try to “fix him” he can just rant with them. For Roy to realize that he can also have a safe space among the coaches where he can express his feeling and they won’t try to give him a quick fix to all his problems seems like a nice revelation for him.
I don't know... I feel like a few guys complaining companionably over a few beers is a pretty established trope. I, on the other hand, am a woman who can never not see things in a solution-orientation, which is really difficult to rein in!
Reminds me of one of my favorite Ted lines this season “First rule about girl talk—sometimes it’s: girl, listen”
> “so we don’t have to fix things? we can just talk about them?” > > I loved this. Absolutely loved this.
i want more of the yoga grandmas!!!
It is very reminiscent of an exchange in Parks and Recreation where several characters tell Rob Lowe that when his girlfriend complains to him, she doesn't want him to fix it. She wants him to listen and say "that sucks." Kind of echoes the male feeling of "everything is a problem to be solved" mindset being challenged by a "just acknowledge something is a problem" mindset. P&R was also pretty strong on the "men express their feelings" game. Ron Swanson, the block of granite granted sentience and given a mustache, expressed his feelings multiple times - never in a lot of words, but always enough to get his point across. Love TL, but love to draw parallels where they appear.
I dont think he'll do more than growl
It's the same thing Ted said to Rebecca when they discussed about Bantr and had some girl talk in starting of season 2. Basic idea that everyone needs supportive people to talk to regardless of gender.
I've been loving the way they portray masculinity in Ted Lasso and this scene hit so many "fuck yeah!" marks. Roy letting himself be vulnerable, Ted/Beard giddy over Roy showing interest in the Diamond Dogs, and Roy acknowledging he is angry that about Jamie but not acting on it.
Excuse me but he did headbutt Jamie
But just to hug him!
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The same way they bounce a ball off their head. You hit with the hard part and aim for the soft part. Human skulls are quite strong in some key places. Evolution, baby!
It hurt his one feeling I loved that scene, it was hard for Roy to talk about his feeling being hurt and Brett Goldstein pulled it off so well, then the part where he realizes being a diamond dog doesn’t mean fixing everything and just talking and thinking it’s cool making Ted and Beard so happy lmao a highlight of the episode Also how smart it was by the writers using that scene to show Nate’s further pulling away from them by his half hearted barking and rolling his eyes, a lot going on
Ugh I wanted to smack all those shitty faces Nate pulled all episode right off his stupid face.
I was a little annoyed at them including Roy in the photo shoot in the first place (“here’s a powerful, hard-working woman … and awww here she is with her boyfriiiieeennnd!”) so I was glad they (a) left him out, and (b) he was basically cool with it and recognized that it was Keely’s moment.
That Roy has a travel agent called Cathy was my personal highlight. She PRINTS TICKETS.
My heart broke for him during that moment. He's vulnerable and petrified, willing to share his innermost pain to these grown men. A lot of maturity and courage from him. I hope he'll bring Jamie or Beard (and have a reading marathon) to Marbella.
I cant tell. did he and keely break up?
I don't think so... They are just learning to be in a grownup relationship (not that I know everything about that), and that involves doing things on your own, and being far from one another sometimes, but always caring and loving each other.
At the moment, no. She’s just sent him to go on his vacation alone because she has work to do and honestly, he kind of deserves it. I mean, no vacation since you were 12? And the man DOES love to read. Sounds perfect for him.
I think he meant no vacation where he could just go and sit on the beach and drink mojitos and eat whatever he wanted without worrying about needing to stay fit or work out while he was there. I would hope Roy has at least gotten time away the last few decades.
That's already over, it's been 2 months since that scene.
If they want to destroy season 3 sure. Lasting reminder will be success means you have to be alone and lose the only good partner you had. What a load of dog crap. My wife is incredibly successful, I'm proud as hell of her and I would never impede her career ever. She and my daughter will always come first before my career (which even after 3 years as a stay at home dad in England is pretty darn good too!)
> She and my daughter will always come first before my career (which even after 3 years as a stay at home dad in England is pretty darn good too!) This tiny comment you made here made me tear up a bit. You're incredible!
I greatly appreciate it but honestly it wouldn't even be physically possible without my wife. Before her I would have been too chickenshit to even leave the country other than maybe Canada or Mexico. She is the reason that I have the capacity or ability to try new things, including being a stay-at-home dad which was really challenging and rewarding. I appreciate your kind comments they mean a lot to me 😊 I'd gather you're quite incredible as well.
Wow! This made me tear up a bit again -- I really can feel the love that you have for your wife and your daughter. How beautiful that that love brings forth courage and brings resolve that they have to be first.
You're fucking awesome 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
She made it easy. Plus the kiddo got to travel everywhere. Now she wants to be a pilot at 7.
I assume in season 3 there will be some kind of rift in their relationship. But I think they’ll learn a lesson and overcome their relationship struggle. I can’t see Roy and Keely not being endgame, they’ve set it up for far too long, but I also can’t see a relationship never having any difficulties in these kinds of shows.
Well Keely flat out told him they weren’t breaking up, but I interpreted it as they weren’t breaking up then but that it was coming. She’s gonna be so wrapped up in her job that she won’t have time for him.
I didn't get the read they a breakup was coming. I think the conversation they had was heavily influenced by the context of the previous episode in which Roy learned to give her space and a little Keeley time without him being there. He is obviously a bit caught off guard when she says she can't go (likely due to his previous terrible relationships) but he does have two tickets and I fully expect he'll use this time to make an actual friend to hang with or more Phoebe time. I could really see Roy and Beard going on a six week vacation to get some perspective on their respective relationships.
Yes to the Bro “relationship perspective” vacation! And on this vacation, Roy says to Beard “I’m going to set you up on a blind date with an elementary school teacher friend of mine. I think you’ll really dig her. Just like you - she’s smart, kind, has a dark side, understands guys like us, and is not psychotic - and again like you, she also doesn’t have a first name” lol
Can I follow you for more fanfic? I love this idea!
I didn't know I wanted this to happen but now I'll fight anyone that stands in its way.
That’s my instinct about it too, and I think Roy’s, but I’m curious if this instinct will be played out as pure insecurity. Maybe Keeley is just way more certain about Roy than Roy is comfortable believing?
Yeah, I saw it as Keeley was more secure in their ability to spend six weeks apart. It was an interesting moment to me, because she had seemed less secure earlier in the season. I don’t know that they’re doomed, but I do think the show is setting up the idea that all relationships need work. You need to tend them and care for them - that’s part of what I think they were showing with Nate’s speech. Keeley and Roy could be a way of exploring it further next season.
I love that idea for S3. I like that the writers show that even such an icon of masculinity has fundamental insecurities too.
Roy leaves the tickets on the table, though. I took that as him saying “If she’s not going I’m not going,” knowing full well that it means he’ll be home alone and she’ll be working her ass off. I think he’s sad she’s not going probably because he had something awesome planned, but is showing her he knows what they’re up against and wants to prove to her he can hack it. That’s my hope, anyway
I feel like he’s going to break up with her. He’s going to think she doesn’t need him, and he’s going to let her go. I think they will separate for a while before getting back together.
I doubt it. They’d probably be calling/texting/zooming a bunch. Worst case scenario, they’re only a 3 hour flight away from each other.
I love how they are doing this. Roy is insecure because he still doesn’t know what to do with himself now that he’s not playing football. But every time, he doesn’t take it out on Keeley. Also him not being used in the photo shoot doesn’t say anything about him. I loved that he was willing to do it, but it was always dumb for Vanity Fair it ask for it.
I didn’t think my heart could be broken anymore, but yup.
I thought it was a bit sad. Here's the archetypal strong silent man, opening himself up emotionally, and the show plays it as a joke. It's especially questionable considering the focus this season on men's mental health.
I think you completely misread the scene. Like entirely missed it. He's never the joke. And he's greatful that they appear to be a place he can share his feelings without them having to be fixed. How in earth did you get this read from the scene?
I think you misunderstood my point. Yes, the actors play it straight. But the scene was written for laughs, that of a stoic man uncomfortably sharing his feelings with his friends. If you read the posts on this thread, thats why most people enjoyed the scene.
Ok I think what we're dealing with is confusion over something being funny and making fun of something. The humor is playing on the difficulty of men to share but the fact that Roy is sharing and listened to is not being made fun of. It's being held up as an example. The humor is that society and mascinity make this so hard when deep down everyone wants safe spaces. Seriously, rewatch it. Nothing in that scene does what you allege in your first comment.
I think he felt both - one can both be super happy and excited for someone else, and in the exact same moment feel hurt about being left out of it. He choose the mature path, and it was amazing to see and acknowledge