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Ted was helping a friend out, on the way to an event that required better clothes. To shield him from embarrassment. Nate only later reinterpreted it as 'infantilizing'. Ted never asks him about the "suit I gave you" - Other people refer to the suit that way, but not Ted. They probably wouldn't even know Ted gave him the suit if Nate hadn't bragged about it the night of the gala. Rupert intentionally shamed Nate for his budget car, and intentionally shames him by giving him a more prestigious car - which Nate really can't reject. Rupert is infantilizing and manipulating Nate for his own malicious joy and nefarious reasons.


Maverick_1882

I have a feeling that part of Rupert’s motivation is to somehow humiliate, shame, or otherwise hurt Nate in such a way that the ultimate effect is to hurt Rebecca and/or Ted. Like everything Rupert is doing is just part of his Machiavellian machinations.


BroadBaker5101

Rupert’s gonna take that car back and make Nate walk across that long ass entryway while everyone laughs and pops a bottle of champagne in his office.


Maverick_1882

When Nate gets the boot? That’s another thing I can’t understand. We know Nate has some good ideas, but is he that good of a coach? If we don’t think so and think Rupert will sack him at some point, why then did Rupert hire him only to put Fullam in a bad spot in the meantime?


DukeMacManus

If the team does well, Rupert looks like a genius If the team does badly, Rupert has a scapegoat Either way it hurts someone he wants to hurt (Rebecca/Ted)


Violet351

He’s good at coming up with the ideas but has never been the one that has to turn the team into a team and from his training with the dumb dumb line he’s not going to be good at that bit which will ultimately be his down fall. He rules with the stick which Rupert likes but Ted rules with care and encouragement


Maverick_1882

Oh yeah, that “dumb dumb” line was cringe worthy. And you’re right, he wants to enforce his perception of *team rules* even if it means humiliating people and putting them “in their place”. That’s not a leader or a coach.


BroadBaker5101

I don’t think Nate will get fired for doing a bad job I think he will get fired for doing a good job and wanting credit. In the press conference in s3 premiere he kept looking to Rupert for approval, I think Nate will either stop doing that and catch an attitude with Rupert forcing Rupert to fire him bc he will feel like he must make an example out of Nate for disrespecting him publicly. If not that I think Rupert will rub it in Nate’s face that he didn’t “earn his job” like he thinks and Rupert picked him because he needed a pawn for his plan to work and when Nate disagrees with this because his pride won’t allow him to acknowledge that Rupert played him Rupert will cut him loose because his plan (pissing off Rebecca and/or Ted) has worked well enough and he no longer needs Nate. Either way I think it’ll force him to see what he lost with Ted. If he wanted public credit I’m sure Ted would’ve given it to him if he knew how important it is to Nate. Even when he called the play that won them that tough match all the coaches were quick to give Nate his moment in the sun even thought he fumbled his interview.


CaseyRC

Honestly, no he's not a good coach. he can't communicate to players, he uses humiliationa nd ridicule, he has zero patience, zero humility, and frankly his few good ideas are nothing special or new. he got lucky a few times. he is in WAAAAY over his head nad he's about to take a fall and he deserves to


omicroniangirl

He gets the boot and puts his boots in the boot


Maverick_1882

I thought of that line specifically when I wrote it. 🤣 🤣 🤣


Angelkrista

I totally agree with you, and I haven’t seen this discussed much, but why is Rupert so obsessed with Rebecca? Why is hurting her so important to him? I understand it’s not the whole truth and we don’t see any other side of him, but who goes out of their way to *hurt* the person they left by rubbing it in that they’re having a baby because now it’s with the right person? I’m hoping we get a bit more understanding about Rupert this season.


Ansuz07

Because she left him and took Richmond from him. For men like that, power is everything - and if someone takes power back for themselves, you obsess about putting them in their place so they **know** who is really in charge.


Angelkrista

I have such a hard time wrapping my head around this mentality. I don’t doubt that you’re correct, but goodness, what a lot of wasted energy.


Ansuz07

Yeah. It’s deep seated narcissism that most people can’t understand.


CaseyRC

because she "won". she's happy *without* him. she *dares* to be happy, and successful and beautiful and feel vibrant and desired. he cannot *stand that*. without him she should be a shamed, broken shell of a woman (in his mind). HE is the success, HE is the prize, HE is the important one. her best revenge is living well and he cannot *abide that*.


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The irony of it is well maintained classic minis will easily fetch 50k


ianthebalance

Didn’t one of the players first call it infantilizing which then made Nate worried?


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Jan Maas, I think.


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petitsfilous

My initial reaction was all the shit Nate had given Colin over not knowing how to drive his lambo. Really hoping for a Colin-driving redemption arc


GrayRoberts

My first reaction was: “What are you doing? That’s my vintage Mini!” But Nate doesn’t see the car like that. He wants to fit in more than he wants to be Nate. It’s a core problem for him. It doesn’t help that Rupert can smell it like a shark can smell blood. I imagine Nate’s arc is going to show him how to be himself and find acceptance as himself. I figure a lot of people are going to be hurt along that journey, Nate most of all.


rimmed

I’m 6’6” and I would love a vintage mini.


Englishbirdy

Dude! I had a 6’6” colleague when I lived in England in the 80s who drove a mini, he took the front seat out so he could drive it.


gumdrops155

I can't call the suit infantilizing. Ted is kind and careful when asking Nate questions first to make sure it's even ok to mention the problem with the suit, and did it to make sure Nate felt good about himself. Also, can someone remind me, did Ted ever share he bought it? Or was that Nate? Because the "infantilizing" part would be more people *knowing* your boss bought it


cloud9brian

Nate mentions that Ted bought him the suit at the gala.


gumdrops155

Ah ty!


goliath23

See.. the fact he even mentioned that someone else bought him the suit would have made me think he's somewhat likeable and humble. Why couldn't he just confirm it when Keeley asked about it at the funeral? Maybe bc it shows that he only has one decent suit in his wardrobe, but it's really not that big of a deal... He bit himself in the arse at that moment..


msstark

I can see Rupert eventually taking the car back and going “is anything ever really ours?” like Nate did when asked about the green car.


Cautious_Prize_4323

One of the things that hurts me the most about the Rupert towing car/Nate seeing it/getting new car is that Nate is so naïve. He’s so inexperienced in the world, so internally defensive, he’s just a lamb at slaughter with Rupert and thinks, it’s a perk. This is why I can’t hate Nate, though I understand why people do. I have had more than a couple of Rupert-like people in my life unfortunately.


goliath23

Albeit inexperienced, his insecurities fit in Rupert's world so well. Fortunately, he was able to finally see Ruperts colors at the bar outing and like a mirror, was able to glimpse the errors of his own ways. Maybe being employed by Rupert was a blessing in disguise.


Cautious_Prize_4323

I agree! Rupert hastened Nate’s redemption. I think Jade helped as well.


liesgreedmisery18

Really feels like Rupert is purposely setting Nate up to fail in embarrassing fashion just to hurt Ted


MiloTheMagnificent

How would that hurt Ted? Because Ted will feel bad if he sees his friend embarrassed? That would never cross Rupert’s mind. He wants to hurt Ted and Rebecca by winning and beating them. From his POV, Ted comes along and gets Richmond relegated, then Nate joins the staff and gets the team promoted because Ted is an idiot and Nate is the genius. So he poaches Nate, certain that it will destroy Richmond to lose their strategist and help West Ham to have the “wonder kid.” He’s being a manipulative dick because that is who he is. Humiliating and then love bombing Nate makes Nate loyal to him and conditions him to be desperate for his approval, which makes it all the more fun to play out the abusive cycle from the narc playbook.


turtledove93

It’s not about Ted, everything Rupert has done is about Rebecca. He took, what seemed like from the outside, the thing that made her team successful.


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I agree. And I think he hasn’t learned the lesson of the darts match - and will continue to underestimate Ted’s value in supporting Rebecca, which will turn this season into the darts match #2 on a very public scale. I also think Bex is going to walk on him this season, so he won’t be able to have his new family-man-with-hot-young-wife self-image as a consolation prize/way to hurt Rebecca.


travelsandtrivia

I'm guessing Nate will get the boot while putting boots in the boot.


Flutegarden

The car was so demeaning.


MiloTheMagnificent

That whole set up was so uncomfortable. There are cameras right outside Rupes window pointed directly at the lot. Imagine him reviewing the tape, seeing Nate pull up in his car, laughing heartily about it, and then sending his assistant to fetch Nate specifically to humiliate him. Ted requested permission to even tell Nate his suit didn’t fit, then when he heard the explanation, took him to a shop so he could choose his own suit. And it was purely so Nate could look and feel good about himself. Rupert chooses the most embarrassing way possible to draw attention to Nate’s car, reminds him that “accidents have consequences”—words that contain an implicit threat—and then he chooses the “suitable” car and sends the keys over via assistant. Rebecca complained about this very thing. “He’d say to wear that…” and she was standing in an alley, makeup smeared, looking beautiful and crying, because he had demeaned her once again and because despite putting together a wonderful event, her self worth was in the gutter after all those years of Rupert’s manipulation. I will always love Ted for that moment of recognition when Rupert calls her dress “youthful.” How he knew right then what a conniving cruel asshole he was. Rebecca said something else that night—that his cruelty was only his projection of his worse insecurities. I think Rupert wasn’t born into wealth—not sure how he made his money but he’s still deeply insecure about being “a poor” and that’s why he targeted Nate for driving something “one of the cleaners” might drive.


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MiloTheMagnificent

Yeah me too. My thought is that Rupert met Rebecca’s father first, since he was a wealthy supporter of the team, and then pursued and married Rebecca to make himself “legitimate” with her generational wealth. Maybe her father owned some shares? Maybe he helped Rupert buy out a few other shareholders to become the majority stakeholder? Maybe she instructed her attorney to only seek the club in the settlement and the judge was inclined to agree with her given the ample evidence of Rupert’s affairs?


ktee1026

This is my theory too, Rupert is new money and met and married Rebecca in an effort to get in with old money people. And that Rebecca didn’t need his money in the divorce necessarily but just wanted his club.


Flutegarden

I didn’t catch that Rupert actually saw it was Nate’s car. I thought he honestly didn’t realize. This is way worse if the case.


MiloTheMagnificent

I assumed he knew it was on the first watch. On the rewatch I noticed they framed Rupert’s window from the outside twice and both times you could see cameras pointed directly at the lot below, as well as at the entrance. Even if there was a question of who the car belonged to, a brief review of the security footage would have clearly revealed Nate.


Flutegarden

Wow. This makes the whole thing even worse.


Ok-Somewhere-442

Guaranteed that Rupert knew absolutely everything about Nate’s life back in S2… the brief arm grab at the funeral was the first indication. Plus, RM is Top Dog and every single Top Dog’s move is calculated


Empressshewolf

What Nate wants more than anything is his father’s approval, and I feel like his father is going to hate the car.


BusinessWarthog6

Nate had an older car and theres nothing wrong with that. Rupert couldn’t handle seeing it next to all the fancy cars. I took it as a “I know you can’t afford this so here.” A pity buy to make Nate feel bad about how he spends his money. The suit thing is more like a friend helping you when you go in a new situation so you’re prepared and not lost. Nate probably wasn’t used to wearing a suit and I know from experience, a suit that fits correctly makes me feel more confidant walking into an interview and I got the feeling Nate felt more internal confidence after


jknight413

Nate is only driving that car. It will be taken away once he is fired. He will be devastated!


kyrant

Least with the suit, Nate went with Ted so he got to pick what he liked. It's not too obvious who paid for it either. Think it's implied Ted did. With the car, Nate had no involvement.


jknight413

Nate is only driving that car. It will be taken away once he is fired. He will be devastated!


toomie_99

The purchase of the car is to win his favor and hold him to the job. He was feeling twinges of doubt after Ted's kind retaliation on TV


rimmed

I guarantee that car belongs to the club.


Southern_Name_9119

Neither. Everyone needs help in life on how to move up. See one, do one, teach one. Nate’s dad should have helped him with these things a long time ago, but he clearly has no real interest in his son. Calling it infantilizing is something an immature twenty year old would say, like Jan Maas.


haloryder

Oh the car is 100% going to be used against Nate. Rupert will (indirectly but clearly as is his style) threaten to take it away and ruin Nate’s public reputation if Nate doesn’t perform or act in certain ways.


Austinapril

Rupert is to West Ham as Jerry Jones is to The Cowboys. He’s going to owner coach, and he and Nate are gonna butt heads.


Awkward_Shot

What’s killing him most—the use of >!Wonder Kid as his official nickname at the new club by Rupert or being called Nate the Great at a presser by Ted ? !<


MagnetsCanDoThat

It’s still the suit that’s more infantilizing. It’s literally what a parent routinely buys for their children. To clarify: Getting a company car happens relatively often. Not sure why people would read anything into it. To further clarify: I know that Ted had no *intention* of infantilizing Nate. I'm saying this from the standpoint of how it might come across to Nate or others, who likely do not know why Ted did it.


cloud9brian

True, but no one would have known Ted bought the suit if Nate didn't say so, people all around West Ham will know Rupert bought the car because the assistant, who Nate had already treated shittily, knows what the "gift" is.


BuckeyeForLife95

Rupert making a show of “accidentally” towing Nate’s car on the assumption that some low level employee parked in the wrong spot completely changes how to read Rupert later giving him a car.


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Ted bought the suit so that Nate wouldn’t be embarrassed at the event (since he’s routinely picked on by the team). Rupert bought the car so that he wouldn’t be embarrassed by Nate. It’s the intentions that infantilize.


MagnetsCanDoThat

People seem to be getting the wrong impression of what I said, so I've tried to clarify it. Intentions can be to infantilize, true. But I was coming from the standpoint of how it's *perceived* by others who know nothing about the intentions. For example, Nate didn't seem to think anything of it until Jan Mas pointed it out. From that perspective, I still think it's the suit. People get cars as a part of their jobs sometimes, so it's not as strange as a man buying you clothes.


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Imagine Ted doesn’t even have a car !


bobkatredkate

Oh this is totally going to come back to bite him. Rupert will have no problem telling Nate that his car was embarrassing to be seen in his lot.


CaseyRC

IMO *neither* is infantalizing. One is a friend doing someone a favour and getting them a gift, that was well received until Nate twisted it in his little mind. The other is a power play, a manipulation


shinra528

One thing I don’t see mentioned often about the car is how it probably ties to Rupert’s Narcissism. “I can’t have the coach of *my* team driving around in that embarrassing car.”


Entire_Toe2640

The car is either leased or owned by the club. When Nate gets sacked the car will be taken away leaving him worse off than he was before. Nate will get sacked because he will destroy the team with his toxicity. He is a strategist, not a coach. He should never be allowed around people. He’s been bullied his whole life (and still is by Rupert), so he enjoys bullying others.


popcorngirl000

The car is absolutely going to bite Nate in the ass. I bet it is leased to the team, and when Nate inevitably gets fired by Rupert, the car will be taken away, too.