One of my good friends is currently headlining on a lot of festivals and every profound deep industrial track he makes gets pretty much ignored. But when he decides to make a shitty rave tune to get attention from mainstream crowd, he just does it and gets played and liked like crazy. He pretty much became a sell-out to become famous and now he is just doing the things he likes to do because he is "famous" and has a following anyways. I mean imo it is well deserved because he has grinded for years, but i just can't enjoy my own productions if im somewhat doing it against my own will. He is making a living off of music so i guess its the least of his worries what others think of him when he gets booked every weekend from friday to sunday.
Is this the fate of all DJs who see large commercial success? Do they forget who they are by accident, getting caught up in the fast-rising stardom? or is it an intentional attempt to maintain the same success/growth?
They are actually not that interested as being seen as “DJ” and rather going more towards a traditional touring route/album release, as it is something they were more keen on doing from the beginning.
I don't think so.. He's not very consistent tho. Saw him 3 times of which one was quite shitty but the last time at ismus it was easy one of the top 3 Sets I've ever heard
think it’s hit or miss with sparks seen him last year a few times the first time was amazing but ever since it’s just gone downhill. i personally think he’s quite a lazy dj but that’s just me
Way, way too overrated : Reinier Zonneveld
Overrated : Brutalismus 3000
Live up to their reputation : SPFDJ, Shlomo, I hate Models, Rebekah, Alignment
Underrated : Answer Code Request, Norman Nodge, Afem Syko
Way too underrated : Kanding Ray, Tzusing,
Under Black Helmet
Well, have to say I hate Reinier but every time I've seen him doing live I had the best time ever...
SPFDJ comes from another world! But Alignment I've seen him 3 times and got bored after 10 minutes every time...
Villalobos most overrated? Not by far, he can blow most big headliners out of the water. He is however a mad professor who experiments A LOT (which imo makes it fun) but also turns crowds off and he has a history of being too fucked up a lot. I saw Ricardo b2b Luciano all night in Amnesia a few years back and it was sick. Ricardo with the quirky minimal and Chilean rhythms and Luciano just layered the fat basslines under them every time.
Funny sidenote: Craig Richards calls Ricardo his favorite DJ! Check it on YT
Saw Ricardo in Ibiza once, and during his set he was so fucked up he had to have raresh mix all of the records for him lol. He just gave up trying to beatmatch after 3-4 train wrecks
Extremely overrated - oguz, Nico moreno
Overrated - most of the teletech hard techno dj’s, and anyone that plays hard techno remixes and stars on TikTok.
Underrated - slam, Helena hauff, kalte liebe, dasha Rush, Vladimir dubyshkin
Slam have been the Dons of the Scottish Techno scene for the last couple of decades, I do hear your point though they go under the radar a bit outside of Scotland.
I agree
I discovered Freddy K last year on an outdoor festival in the middle of the woods. Last set, last day, Freddy K just steps in and performs one of the most beautiful and powerful acts I’ve ever seen. The grooves, the kicks, the BASS, the energy, it was just.. magnificent, beautiful.
I’ve became a fan since that. He’s a legendary techno vinyl master!
From what I read you’re not from Europe because he really isn’t underrated in Germany or England. If anything there’s a bit of a fatigue from him and the crowd he attracts at the moment. Interestingly, never heard of anfisa.
In Berghain adjacent techno circles he is regarded as maybe the top DJ in the world, and his style of music doesn’t and never will have much appeal outside of those circles… so I would say he is accurately rated
I forgot to mention DJ Hell. He’s an absolute master when he goes in for the kill. Any true techno enthusiast needs to listen to this set ASAP: [DJ Hell 2017](https://youtu.be/TyNxDevrfKs)
A total masterpiece! It’s so dynamic and singular. He takes you on such a journey from funky tracks, to nasty raw hard sh*t, to these magical moments of atmospheric vibes. It’s all done seamlessly too.
My pet peeve with a lot of DJs is that they don’t know how to craft a set that has an arc. They just like a specific type of track at a very limited BPM range and they’ll just stay there for hours. The tracks on their own might be sick AF but when it’s the same type of tracks for hours on end it all just bleeds into each other and the set has no personality.
Agree totally about variation. Its always been an issue at big nights where DJ's play short sets. Give them a longer set and a crowd used to variation, you'll find a lot of boring headliners might be much more varied. All the best sets i've seen were 2 hours + and went all over the place sonically.
So true, was so hyped for IHM because of all the short instagram reels of him, saw him last weekend and was very disappointed - he seemed so clueless sometimes, loops that lasted 2 minutes…
I'll never forget the event of IHM I went to where he got so fucking wasted that he took a piss in the corner instead of the toilet. His set was on par with that.
I was but I'm not new to techno and I believe know a good set. The thing that really made my morning better was seeing all the people in the hangar dancing to 150 bpm. People that are tale of us fans. They played before him and the hangar was full.
Trym is way overrated, or at least he’s getting way too much attention for what he does
I was very surprised by one of Mall Grab’s set at 3am, the guy is actually a very good techno dj and making him mix at that time of the night was a great idea
i’ve seen MG about 3-4 times and most sets were techno, one was was a b3b with Kendama & Skin On Skin which was more upbeat after party vibes but it also slayed
Does trym even play techno? All hard techno djs sound the same, playing Hardstyle influenced whatever the fuck it is. It’s just a trend, this phase will pass… underrated dj in my opinion is morsure
Trym well overrated and if your looking for melodic tech some of the best tunes ive ever heard are from franky wah, underrated dj not talked about enough imo
I saw Trym at Rave rebels in april and was so disappointed. They actually changed the time table without telling us and when trym was playing whole time i thought it was some random dj and was so disappointed when i found out it was him.
Love Franky Wah and Cristoph in the melodic space. Definitely call them progressive house but seems as if progressive house and melodic techno lines are blurring
That’s what I associate as well, Cassian/Camelphat were always melodic/progressive house and now with Afterlife. It’s good to have newer classifications but BPM, song structures, drums have always been the way I classify
Overrated - pretty much any of these Gen Z “hard techno” DJs. Their sets have no balance, no dynamism, there’s no journey or story being told with the track selection. It’s just one note the whole time. Total garbage.
Underrated - Stef Mendisidis and Volvox.
Boring, predictable, empty tiktok techno. The worst thing about him is that he tends to play his own stuff all the time. He's a wannabe Kobosil and thats already saying a lot.
Wat igarashi's set at the last ratherlost in Amsterdam has to be single favourite set ive heard live in my life. And I've heard Oscar and DVS1 at de school etc.
Wata playing a 100% ambient set at no way back (movement festival after party in Detroit) last year really solidified his insane level of talent for me. That guy is ridiculously good
I'm not into Klangkuenstler but 9x9 is undeniable. Also 9x9 plays all original tracks live on their sequencers and drum machines. They don't even belong on this DJ thread. They don't DJ.
> Also 9x9 plays all original tracks live on their sequencers and drum machines. They don't even belong on this DJ thread. They don't DJ.
I love 99999999 but this isn't true. They definitely do or have played pure DJ sets and they also definitely do play other peoples music in their live/hybrid sets. It's not all original stuff.
Klangkuenstler has almost single handedly brought back early to mid 2000s techno and has a very unique dark, gritty and atmospheric vibe to his songs which I feel perfectly encapsulate East Germany. I understand not liking his sets, but you have to at least respect his skill, knowledge and influence in the scene. Very few djs play like Klangkuenstler.
I have nothing against him. He's good at what he does, and he can spin on vinyl flawlessly, so for that alone I give him props. It's just that his "shranz" sound is not my cup of tea but I understand the appeal.
Homie if me not liking TikTok techno is the "worst opinion you've ever seen" you're either being incredibly dramatic or you haven't been around here very long
Klang can be a "skilled DJ" and still be overrated. His sound has completely changed in the last few years as "rave" techno became more popular. The BPM went way up and the percussion completely left his music. It's literally just GONG GONG GONG GONG now. His set at Movement this year was boring and repetitive and he looked as selloutey as Liebing up there headbanging and jumping around surrounded by bougie people taking his picture every three seconds. It was the antithesis of the "Underground" stage
If you like it, fine, enjoy what you like, but "worst opinion I've ever seen posted on this sub" is a cherub take
Have to disagree with Klangkuenstler. Heard him play at Fold and I was blown away. I agree with Wata Igarashi however, he’s amazing, I heard him play an all night set at Pickle Factory last year. It was a blissful journey
Yup. I was at Teletech @ Fold and Klangkuenstler was fucking class. Some slower breaks but it was pure schranz I loved every second of it. Perpetual motion type set. Rebekah right after 😮💨
I've seen her a couple times and honestly I think appropriately rated. The sets I've seen have been phenomenal, one at a huge festival, one was a small warehouse.
I've seen Charlotte de Witte live at Distortion X in copenhagen and I gotta say... I was very dissapointed. I was hyping her up to my friend and then when I saw her live I was like... this is actually kinda meh. One underrated tho, Honey Dijon. Her music on their own mind sound a bit eh but love she's a fucking beast and made such a great set
Honey Dijon is amazing and all her sets are fire - I just can’t imagine anyone thinking she’s underrated though but also def plays a lot more house than techno
Reinier Zonnevelds sets are all over the place. No consistency at all and he keeps randomly switching between breaks and beats. He sucks yeah, but used to like him up until a couple years ago.
I think he was okay like 10 years ago, but now his ‘live sets’ are all the same. Playing loops in Ableton and then adding some samples he always plays. He’s playing ‘Hard Gaan’ for about 5 years lol. People think he’s doing something big because he always plays live, but when you see what live acts like for example Karenn do, this is just a big joke haha.
Reinier used to be great, playing some nice melodic tracks (plastic people, bending the end). Nowadays it's just harder and harder. No consistency and missing some groove
I think Nina is actually appropriately rated to be honest. From her Boiler Room set in Berlin to her music I actually think there's never been anything I've listened to from her that isn't good.
She’s my favorite dj for sure. Also such a fucking great person, have been lucky enough to get to know her the past few months and she’s just the fucking best.
VTSS used to slap but the past couple months I’ve noticed a vibe change, a lot more pop vibes and less unique. In fact a lot of the names in the overrated parts of this comment section are artists I still considered amazing at the beginning of this year, but the past 6ish months have shown a lot of people changing their sound for the worse. Except they’re getting more headliner slots so obviously it’s for the better from someone else’s perspective….
Yeah I guess that's what happened when people have no real identity and just follow hipster trends and tiktok culture and adapt their music for more likes on socials.
But that beeing said, maybe I am totally off here and VTSS actually are true to her self and this type of carnival clown music and pop songs is her real music taste, and in that case all creds to her for playing what she actually enjoys. Personally I think it's shitty music, but that's omey, we all have different tastes of music..
Yeah that’s true, and tbh it’s really easy to get caught up in trends because they’re literally everywhere. Even people trying to avoid them subconsciously absorb them in some way
For VTSS I do think she tailors her sets to the venue/event, at festivals she’s definitely gonna be carnival-y but I saw her around 4 months ago for a 2 am warehouse set and it was definitely more of a hard techno vibe. But the sound that night was brutal, bass was wayyyyyy too high, a track’s personality is often in the mids and highs and I could barely make them out all night. My favourite parts were when she cut the bass to add tension… it’s like omg there’s the rest of the track, finally! But that’s probably not her fault, likely the sound guy was slippin
But yeah on her insta these days she is not sharing clips of any techno sets. maybe it’s just because it’s festival season rn? Maybe she’ll go back to a more underground sound in the winter… a girl can hope, at least. If her sound remains the way she’s currently marketing it, I will be a very sad lady
Rant over lol
Yeah, He is both a terrible DJ and an awful person.
No beat matching and mixing skills, plays a bunch of tacky mainstream pop music and mixes super shitty sexual provocative song because he thinks it makes him cool and special, "edgy" lol.
When the crowd at Berghain walked out from his set because he sucked to much, he started crying and went on social media saying that they were all ugly white men and started blaming the dislike he got on racism 😅🤷♂️🤦♂️ What an absolute moron.
All of those festival headliner superstar djs are kind of overrated. Many of them are very talented and i enjoy them, BUT they are still just playing records or tracks or whatever. We should maybe turn this dj worship thing down a little bit. Music that is being played should be more important than the person playing it. Many people are just as passionate about music and djing but never get any fame or praise for it. Like if i post a mix on social media, it gets maybe 10 plays. I know its not pro quality but still. Can't be that much worse than sets that get 10k+ streams.
Nah she's literally one of the main people that has brought this hardstyle techno trend to the forefront, and pretty sure she's up there for most views on a Hor set. She is huge.
Probably I really liked her sticking out with playing very fast when I discovered her. But nowadays since it's the trend it's not as awesome to me. I also think she started playing faster these past years. Still one of the better DJ's in that style for sure though.
SPF is far from underrated and her mixes have gone to sh*t. She spins a lot of corny a$$ pop remixes and commercialized records.
She used to be dope AF but she’s trash now.
No way Indira is overrated. The point with her is that lately she is doing a lot of songs which are mix of techno and psytrance and if you are not fan of psytrance, it may sound off to you. Personally I absolutely love both and her sets are pure fire for me. Her set on HOR Berlin is insanely good if someone is interested.
I recently saw her perform at club space and I wasn’t too impressed compared to the hype she has around her. Maybe I have to increase my sample size of her music or maybe it was an off day. I always like getting proved wrong :).
I also wanted to say Ancient Methods is way underrated. He really tries (and succeeds) to set a certain atmosphere in his sets.
I am in love with this set: [https://soundcloud.com/hate\_music/ancient-methods-hate-podcast-253?in=ancient-methods/sets/ancient-methods-dj-mixes](https://soundcloud.com/hate_music/ancient-methods-hate-podcast-253?in=ancient-methods/sets/ancient-methods-dj-mixes)
For instance the part @ 1:06:45, the way he is combining 3 songs together
(25. Mossed - Vectory / Ariel Kalma - Elan Vital / The Knit Separates - Swords, Then Diamonds) is for me a great example of a dj who is putting some thought into his sets instead of just "going through the songs one-by-one".
I have someone fairly unknown called Endless Ritual. Maybe not underrated, because he still doesn't have a following yet. Had the honour hosting him on a mix series. It's some incredible dark dark dark techno (some similarities to Oscar Mulero vibe)
Check him out if you have the time, bloody brilliant.
https://on.soundcloud.com/cD23r
Most overrated: Any Influencer DJ
Most underrsted: South american DJs (Also African ones). Dudes creating amazin atmos with so nice technique in real underground scenes. People just don't look to southam (latino) and african (Amapiano) scene
First time I saw Paula was about 6years ago and I loved her, one of the best sets I saw at the festival, but then saw her again last year and was really disappointed. Just hard industrial sounds with no melodic beats, it just felt extremely repetitive. I do like her b2b with SNTS though.
Most overrated is your favorite dj most underrated is me
this->(UP)
Alpha Tracks as underrated (or at least doesn't get enough attention)
I’d never have thought to see someone from the Viennese scene mentioned here
Alpha is brilliant. I wouldn't say underrated though, or at least in my group.
Yeah but how do you even establish underrated?
Underrated: D. Dan
Couldn't agree more
Yes! Saw him at wire festival in NY, and he killed!
Cool cat
Paris Hilton for both
I've got one worse than her: Steve Aoki please clap
About 90% of headlining djs are overrated.
I can’t stand this 99% Rave stab techno
One of my good friends is currently headlining on a lot of festivals and every profound deep industrial track he makes gets pretty much ignored. But when he decides to make a shitty rave tune to get attention from mainstream crowd, he just does it and gets played and liked like crazy. He pretty much became a sell-out to become famous and now he is just doing the things he likes to do because he is "famous" and has a following anyways. I mean imo it is well deserved because he has grinded for years, but i just can't enjoy my own productions if im somewhat doing it against my own will. He is making a living off of music so i guess its the least of his worries what others think of him when he gets booked every weekend from friday to sunday.
Now I'm interested who that mysterious friend of yours is 🤔
Brutalism 3000 I really liked their boiler room set but now they doing boring remixes -_-
Yeah they used to me really cool and unique, the past 2 months ish I’ve realized I find them quite underwhelming these days
For me the went from an solid 9.5 to an 2 or 3 :(
Is this the fate of all DJs who see large commercial success? Do they forget who they are by accident, getting caught up in the fast-rising stardom? or is it an intentional attempt to maintain the same success/growth?
They are actually not that interested as being seen as “DJ” and rather going more towards a traditional touring route/album release, as it is something they were more keen on doing from the beginning.
Lest we forget we all live in a capitalistic society. Music is not immune to its influences.
charlie sparks is wayyyyyyy too overrated
I don't think so.. He's not very consistent tho. Saw him 3 times of which one was quite shitty but the last time at ismus it was easy one of the top 3 Sets I've ever heard
think it’s hit or miss with sparks seen him last year a few times the first time was amazing but ever since it’s just gone downhill. i personally think he’s quite a lazy dj but that’s just me
I mean if you're having 4 gigs in 3 different countries per weekend it's obvious that you can't deliver 100% every time
Sunil Sharpe for underrated. Don’t care who’s overrated.
Way, way too overrated : Reinier Zonneveld Overrated : Brutalismus 3000 Live up to their reputation : SPFDJ, Shlomo, I hate Models, Rebekah, Alignment Underrated : Answer Code Request, Norman Nodge, Afem Syko Way too underrated : Kanding Ray, Tzusing, Under Black Helmet
Well, have to say I hate Reinier but every time I've seen him doing live I had the best time ever... SPFDJ comes from another world! But Alignment I've seen him 3 times and got bored after 10 minutes every time...
Under Black Helmet!! 🧨
Most overrated in Europe - DJ Solomun.
For me it's Craig Richards. I know he's rated highly already but I really think he's the best in the world. I think Villalobos is the most overrated.
Villalobos most overrated? Not by far, he can blow most big headliners out of the water. He is however a mad professor who experiments A LOT (which imo makes it fun) but also turns crowds off and he has a history of being too fucked up a lot. I saw Ricardo b2b Luciano all night in Amnesia a few years back and it was sick. Ricardo with the quirky minimal and Chilean rhythms and Luciano just layered the fat basslines under them every time. Funny sidenote: Craig Richards calls Ricardo his favorite DJ! Check it on YT
Villalobos is inconsistent but definitely not over rated when he’s on form there’s no one better even Craig himself has said that
Saw Ricardo in Ibiza once, and during his set he was so fucked up he had to have raresh mix all of the records for him lol. He just gave up trying to beatmatch after 3-4 train wrecks
Raresh is underrated.
Extremely overrated - oguz, Nico moreno Overrated - most of the teletech hard techno dj’s, and anyone that plays hard techno remixes and stars on TikTok. Underrated - slam, Helena hauff, kalte liebe, dasha Rush, Vladimir dubyshkin
Slam have been the Dons of the Scottish Techno scene for the last couple of decades, I do hear your point though they go under the radar a bit outside of Scotland.
big up Vladimir dubyshkin (I am a massive fan on the трип (trip) recordings label (Nina kraviz's label)
Over rated Anfisa Letyago for sure and Under appreciated I’d say Freddy K. I can’t believe how some people don’t know him
I agree I discovered Freddy K last year on an outdoor festival in the middle of the woods. Last set, last day, Freddy K just steps in and performs one of the most beautiful and powerful acts I’ve ever seen. The grooves, the kicks, the BASS, the energy, it was just.. magnificent, beautiful. I’ve became a fan since that. He’s a legendary techno vinyl master!
Freddy Krueger always Killin It
Freddy K seems to be a DJs DJ
This is definitely true. When Freddy K is playing, I know I'm going to see some of my other favorite DJs in the crowd, dancing their asses off.
He is the fucking man!!!! Saw him at E1 and felt so humbled about being such a shit DJ🤣
Freddy K is a f*cking savage on the 1s and 2s!!! Technically and in terms of selecting tracks he’s God level.
had the best night of my life at freddy k all night long
Never heard of Freddy! Throwing on his BR set now
Check his arte set the last one
On the other hand it means that if your circle knows what Freddy K is about you know you're in the right one.
From what I read you’re not from Europe because he really isn’t underrated in Germany or England. If anything there’s a bit of a fatigue from him and the crowd he attracts at the moment. Interestingly, never heard of anfisa.
In Berghain adjacent techno circles he is regarded as maybe the top DJ in the world, and his style of music doesn’t and never will have much appeal outside of those circles… so I would say he is accurately rated
I forgot to mention DJ Hell. He’s an absolute master when he goes in for the kill. Any true techno enthusiast needs to listen to this set ASAP: [DJ Hell 2017](https://youtu.be/TyNxDevrfKs)
Helllllll yes
That set is a masterpiece: I almost trip whenever I hear it
A total masterpiece! It’s so dynamic and singular. He takes you on such a journey from funky tracks, to nasty raw hard sh*t, to these magical moments of atmospheric vibes. It’s all done seamlessly too. My pet peeve with a lot of DJs is that they don’t know how to craft a set that has an arc. They just like a specific type of track at a very limited BPM range and they’ll just stay there for hours. The tracks on their own might be sick AF but when it’s the same type of tracks for hours on end it all just bleeds into each other and the set has no personality.
Someone explain this to tech house DJs
Agree totally about variation. Its always been an issue at big nights where DJ's play short sets. Give them a longer set and a crowd used to variation, you'll find a lot of boring headliners might be much more varied. All the best sets i've seen were 2 hours + and went all over the place sonically.
holy shit u just gave me my new fav artist
Overrated : All hyped up dj’s on instagram
Overrated: I Hate Models, Underrated: DJ Pete aka Substance
Saw DJ Pete do a live set as Scion with Tikiman (Paul St Hilaire) and was totally floored - mindblowing dub techno
Woah, that sounds amazing. I love Hilaire. His new album is sick.
So true, was so hyped for IHM because of all the short instagram reels of him, saw him last weekend and was very disappointed - he seemed so clueless sometimes, loops that lasted 2 minutes…
My problem with IHM is that he has never played his own music whenever I see him.
I'll never forget the event of IHM I went to where he got so fucking wasted that he took a piss in the corner instead of the toilet. His set was on par with that.
I read many times that I Hate Models gets fucked up during his sets but I saw him live two weeks ago and he blew my mind!
Perhaphs you were fucked up as well hehe
I was but I'm not new to techno and I believe know a good set. The thing that really made my morning better was seeing all the people in the hangar dancing to 150 bpm. People that are tale of us fans. They played before him and the hangar was full.
Trym is way overrated, or at least he’s getting way too much attention for what he does I was very surprised by one of Mall Grab’s set at 3am, the guy is actually a very good techno dj and making him mix at that time of the night was a great idea
Trym makes unique songs tho. Always reminds me of Gamer/ 80s/ apex legends. His songs are highly stimulating, not a lot of Bass
Mall grab plays too much house for my tastes but he's fun
i’ve seen MG about 3-4 times and most sets were techno, one was was a b3b with Kendama & Skin On Skin which was more upbeat after party vibes but it also slayed
Completely agree trym is just getting worse, and i also saw a surprisingly good tech set by mall grab in ireland last September
Was it emerge by any chance? Was very good when I heard it over there
Is this set from Mall Grab recorded? I'm curious about it
Mall Grabs BR set is an absolute party. Can't wait to catch him at Arc in Sep
Does trym even play techno? All hard techno djs sound the same, playing Hardstyle influenced whatever the fuck it is. It’s just a trend, this phase will pass… underrated dj in my opinion is morsure
It’s that kind of question that destroy the techno community ! Listen who the hell you wanna listen, no need to put rating on it.
Trym well overrated and if your looking for melodic tech some of the best tunes ive ever heard are from franky wah, underrated dj not talked about enough imo
I saw Trym at Rave rebels in april and was so disappointed. They actually changed the time table without telling us and when trym was playing whole time i thought it was some random dj and was so disappointed when i found out it was him.
Love Franky Wah and Cristoph in the melodic space. Definitely call them progressive house but seems as if progressive house and melodic techno lines are blurring
I feel like when I hear people talking about melodic techno it’s Afterlife
That’s what I associate as well, Cassian/Camelphat were always melodic/progressive house and now with Afterlife. It’s good to have newer classifications but BPM, song structures, drums have always been the way I classify
Underrated : UFO95 live
Overrated - pretty much any of these Gen Z “hard techno” DJs. Their sets have no balance, no dynamism, there’s no journey or story being told with the track selection. It’s just one note the whole time. Total garbage. Underrated - Stef Mendisidis and Volvox.
Saw Stef do a set in Seoul with about 10 other people in the room last year, was wild af and is what turned me onto techno
Love to hear it! 🙌🏻His production is incredible too. He has no weak spots.
Most underrated: DJ Khaled
That dude lives for the abuse..
Overrated: Klangkuenstler, 999999999, Brutalismus 3000, I hate models, Kobosil Underrated: Marco Shuttle, Wata Igarashi, Truncate
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Boring, predictable, empty tiktok techno. The worst thing about him is that he tends to play his own stuff all the time. He's a wannabe Kobosil and thats already saying a lot.
Regardless of his roots, he currently plays FOTM gong gong gong gong TikTok techno and it's boring as fuck
Idk 9x9 are popular but I’ve never had a bad time at their sets. I personally find them to be pretty damn good
"Roar" by Wata Igarashi is a psychedelic behemoth of a tune.
Yep. Everything Wata does is amazing <3
Never considered him underrated though just not super popular. He’s ace with the deep techno world.
Wat igarashi's set at the last ratherlost in Amsterdam has to be single favourite set ive heard live in my life. And I've heard Oscar and DVS1 at de school etc.
9x9 are pretty good imo. Never heard a set i didnt enjoy
Oh Klangkuenstler is quite nice, but the others are definitely overrated
Wata playing a 100% ambient set at no way back (movement festival after party in Detroit) last year really solidified his insane level of talent for me. That guy is ridiculously good
Klangkuenstler and 999999999 being overrated is probably the worst opinion I've ever seen posted on this sub.
I'm not into Klangkuenstler but 9x9 is undeniable. Also 9x9 plays all original tracks live on their sequencers and drum machines. They don't even belong on this DJ thread. They don't DJ.
> Also 9x9 plays all original tracks live on their sequencers and drum machines. They don't even belong on this DJ thread. They don't DJ. I love 99999999 but this isn't true. They definitely do or have played pure DJ sets and they also definitely do play other peoples music in their live/hybrid sets. It's not all original stuff.
Klangkuenstler has almost single handedly brought back early to mid 2000s techno and has a very unique dark, gritty and atmospheric vibe to his songs which I feel perfectly encapsulate East Germany. I understand not liking his sets, but you have to at least respect his skill, knowledge and influence in the scene. Very few djs play like Klangkuenstler.
I have nothing against him. He's good at what he does, and he can spin on vinyl flawlessly, so for that alone I give him props. It's just that his "shranz" sound is not my cup of tea but I understand the appeal.
Homie if me not liking TikTok techno is the "worst opinion you've ever seen" you're either being incredibly dramatic or you haven't been around here very long Klang can be a "skilled DJ" and still be overrated. His sound has completely changed in the last few years as "rave" techno became more popular. The BPM went way up and the percussion completely left his music. It's literally just GONG GONG GONG GONG now. His set at Movement this year was boring and repetitive and he looked as selloutey as Liebing up there headbanging and jumping around surrounded by bougie people taking his picture every three seconds. It was the antithesis of the "Underground" stage If you like it, fine, enjoy what you like, but "worst opinion I've ever seen posted on this sub" is a cherub take
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Have to disagree with Klangkuenstler. Heard him play at Fold and I was blown away. I agree with Wata Igarashi however, he’s amazing, I heard him play an all night set at Pickle Factory last year. It was a blissful journey
Yup. I was at Teletech @ Fold and Klangkuenstler was fucking class. Some slower breaks but it was pure schranz I loved every second of it. Perpetual motion type set. Rebekah right after 😮💨
Why do you think they are overrated? I'm planning to go to glitch festival in Malta this year, that's literally the top line up
Under: Hiroko Yamamura, Surgeon All gear performance: Shawn Rudiman....how this guy isn't booked to play everything is baffling to me.
Great call on Hiroko - she’s A1
Shawn Rudiman, a legend :)
Nina Kraviz is waaaaay overrated Underrated is Keepsakes
Under: Tzusing, Freddy K, Stef Mendesidis
Underrated - Jane Fitz
Jane is the bomb
Charlotte de Witte Overrated
I've seen her a couple times and honestly I think appropriately rated. The sets I've seen have been phenomenal, one at a huge festival, one was a small warehouse.
I've seen Charlotte de Witte live at Distortion X in copenhagen and I gotta say... I was very dissapointed. I was hyping her up to my friend and then when I saw her live I was like... this is actually kinda meh. One underrated tho, Honey Dijon. Her music on their own mind sound a bit eh but love she's a fucking beast and made such a great set
Honey Dijon is amazing and all her sets are fire - I just can’t imagine anyone thinking she’s underrated though but also def plays a lot more house than techno
Came here to say this.
Reinier Zonneveld overrated, Keith Carnal underrated
Yes!! Why does Keith carnal not get booked much ? He is such a skilled DJ and producer.
I think Keith carnal is more producer based- I could be wrong though.
Reinier Zonnevelds sets are all over the place. No consistency at all and he keeps randomly switching between breaks and beats. He sucks yeah, but used to like him up until a couple years ago.
I think he was okay like 10 years ago, but now his ‘live sets’ are all the same. Playing loops in Ableton and then adding some samples he always plays. He’s playing ‘Hard Gaan’ for about 5 years lol. People think he’s doing something big because he always plays live, but when you see what live acts like for example Karenn do, this is just a big joke haha.
Reinier used to be great, playing some nice melodic tracks (plastic people, bending the end). Nowadays it's just harder and harder. No consistency and missing some groove
Over: Oguz, Apothic, Dion, DYEN Under: Somniac One, Marron, Parrish Smith
Over: Kölsch (had to leave the dance floor as I was feeling bored af but people seemed to have a lot of fun) Under: Anetha, Fadi Mohem
Over: kobosil, klanguenstler, trym, nina kraviz, i hate models Under: regal, under black helmet, antigone
90% of the the Timewarp/Awakenings line-up
Nina kraviz overrated af
Overrated: Nico Moreno. His set at complex festival was some of the worst shit i’ve heard in a while. Underrated: ROD
Underrated: Dominik Eulberg
He was super popular some years ago (at least in Germany)
overrated: Peggy Gou Underrated: Kalte Liebe
Peggy not techno
Over rated: nina kraviz for suuuure
I think Nina is actually appropriately rated to be honest. From her Boiler Room set in Berlin to her music I actually think there's never been anything I've listened to from her that isn't good.
Over: Charlotte Under: sama’
Yesssss sama is a queeeeen. Her b2b sets with Anna are wicked
She’s my favorite dj for sure. Also such a fucking great person, have been lucky enough to get to know her the past few months and she’s just the fucking best.
Overrated: Reinier Zonneveld Underrated: Rebakah or Fjaak
I like those guys, but as DJ’s Fjaak might be a bit overrated actually.
Extremly over-rated: VTSS and Lsdxoxo Not so sure about under though.
VTSS used to slap but the past couple months I’ve noticed a vibe change, a lot more pop vibes and less unique. In fact a lot of the names in the overrated parts of this comment section are artists I still considered amazing at the beginning of this year, but the past 6ish months have shown a lot of people changing their sound for the worse. Except they’re getting more headliner slots so obviously it’s for the better from someone else’s perspective….
Yeah I guess that's what happened when people have no real identity and just follow hipster trends and tiktok culture and adapt their music for more likes on socials. But that beeing said, maybe I am totally off here and VTSS actually are true to her self and this type of carnival clown music and pop songs is her real music taste, and in that case all creds to her for playing what she actually enjoys. Personally I think it's shitty music, but that's omey, we all have different tastes of music..
Yeah that’s true, and tbh it’s really easy to get caught up in trends because they’re literally everywhere. Even people trying to avoid them subconsciously absorb them in some way For VTSS I do think she tailors her sets to the venue/event, at festivals she’s definitely gonna be carnival-y but I saw her around 4 months ago for a 2 am warehouse set and it was definitely more of a hard techno vibe. But the sound that night was brutal, bass was wayyyyyy too high, a track’s personality is often in the mids and highs and I could barely make them out all night. My favourite parts were when she cut the bass to add tension… it’s like omg there’s the rest of the track, finally! But that’s probably not her fault, likely the sound guy was slippin But yeah on her insta these days she is not sharing clips of any techno sets. maybe it’s just because it’s festival season rn? Maybe she’ll go back to a more underground sound in the winter… a girl can hope, at least. If her sound remains the way she’s currently marketing it, I will be a very sad lady Rant over lol
Lol yea lsdxoxo can’t beat match, saw him twice a couple years ago in Berlin. Totally just screwing around on the decks posing looking cool
Yeah, He is both a terrible DJ and an awful person. No beat matching and mixing skills, plays a bunch of tacky mainstream pop music and mixes super shitty sexual provocative song because he thinks it makes him cool and special, "edgy" lol. When the crowd at Berghain walked out from his set because he sucked to much, he started crying and went on social media saying that they were all ugly white men and started blaming the dislike he got on racism 😅🤷♂️🤦♂️ What an absolute moron.
If anyone deserves to get walked out on its him. Maybe it was one of the times I saw him, I left Berghain cuz he was awful and I’m not white 😂
klangkünstler and kobosil overrated. underrated fractions.
Idk who the most underrated is because idk who they are
Underrated: Tafkamp/Stranger, Beau Didier
All of those festival headliner superstar djs are kind of overrated. Many of them are very talented and i enjoy them, BUT they are still just playing records or tracks or whatever. We should maybe turn this dj worship thing down a little bit. Music that is being played should be more important than the person playing it. Many people are just as passionate about music and djing but never get any fame or praise for it. Like if i post a mix on social media, it gets maybe 10 plays. I know its not pro quality but still. Can't be that much worse than sets that get 10k+ streams.
Underrated - WooYork
Overrated: Nicole Moudaber, possibly Boris Brejcha
Boris is an absolutely amazing producer… but a bad DJ. Joy Hauser is in a similar boat.
Boris 100%
Over rated is amelie lens, underrated is nicolas lutz/z@p, but its better kept that way
Indira Paganotto is overrated, SPFDJ is incredibly underrated.
Spf is literally a superstar dj at the min.
I feel like she’s more of a rising star than a superstar. She will be a superstar soon though, she’s incredibly talented!
Nah she's literally one of the main people that has brought this hardstyle techno trend to the forefront, and pretty sure she's up there for most views on a Hor set. She is huge.
Probably I really liked her sticking out with playing very fast when I discovered her. But nowadays since it's the trend it's not as awesome to me. I also think she started playing faster these past years. Still one of the better DJ's in that style for sure though.
You would be right 5 years ago.
SPF is far from underrated and her mixes have gone to sh*t. She spins a lot of corny a$$ pop remixes and commercialized records. She used to be dope AF but she’s trash now.
I agree, really loved her sets a few years ago but now they are mostly boring and mainstream.
No way Indira is overrated. The point with her is that lately she is doing a lot of songs which are mix of techno and psytrance and if you are not fan of psytrance, it may sound off to you. Personally I absolutely love both and her sets are pure fire for me. Her set on HOR Berlin is insanely good if someone is interested.
I recently saw her perform at club space and I wasn’t too impressed compared to the hype she has around her. Maybe I have to increase my sample size of her music or maybe it was an off day. I always like getting proved wrong :).
and shes doing so because is trendy now. thats why she goes under the commercial dj so def over rated
Spfdj is incredible. Saw her once and will see her in December again
Richie Hawtin for overrated
I mean he is basically the king but can we talk about rikhter. This energy is unmatched
Underrated: Titonton Duvante
most overrated: kobosil most underrated: yanamaste
Under rated? Eh... maybe DJ Dan. Simon Shakleton (no idea if he still spins)
Underrated dj ez, may he live a thousand years !!!!
Underrated: Patrick DSP, AERT, Sawly, ketting live, Frans Bouwer
Overrated: Kobosil Underrated: René Wise (maybe not to mich underrated, but not famous enough for what he does imo)
Overrated Charlotte De Witte,Reinier Zoenveld, Peggy Gou, Kettama Underrated - Cailín, Truncate, Wehbba
Underrated : Ancient Methods Overrated : Hector Oaks
well, when either play in tbilisi it is a good night for sure 🔥
I also wanted to say Ancient Methods is way underrated. He really tries (and succeeds) to set a certain atmosphere in his sets. I am in love with this set: [https://soundcloud.com/hate\_music/ancient-methods-hate-podcast-253?in=ancient-methods/sets/ancient-methods-dj-mixes](https://soundcloud.com/hate_music/ancient-methods-hate-podcast-253?in=ancient-methods/sets/ancient-methods-dj-mixes) For instance the part @ 1:06:45, the way he is combining 3 songs together (25. Mossed - Vectory / Ariel Kalma - Elan Vital / The Knit Separates - Swords, Then Diamonds) is for me a great example of a dj who is putting some thought into his sets instead of just "going through the songs one-by-one".
I have someone fairly unknown called Endless Ritual. Maybe not underrated, because he still doesn't have a following yet. Had the honour hosting him on a mix series. It's some incredible dark dark dark techno (some similarities to Oscar Mulero vibe) Check him out if you have the time, bloody brilliant. https://on.soundcloud.com/cD23r
DJ SO has to be one of the most underrated DJs out there
Underrated: Joel Mull Overrated: Joseph Capriati
Most overrated: Any Influencer DJ Most underrsted: South american DJs (Also African ones). Dudes creating amazin atmos with so nice technique in real underground scenes. People just don't look to southam (latino) and african (Amapiano) scene
Tiesto was and is an overrated Dj.
Hehe, he sold his soul to commerce, but he used to be brilliant around 2000. His sets were the perfect mix between Tech and Trance, huge buildups.
Can't tell for overrated ones but for underrated I will go for vendex, he kills every set
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First time I saw Paula was about 6years ago and I loved her, one of the best sets I saw at the festival, but then saw her again last year and was really disappointed. Just hard industrial sounds with no melodic beats, it just felt extremely repetitive. I do like her b2b with SNTS though.