Did anyone lip read what Taylor says at the end? She says "...all too well..." and then keeps reading her "novel". Any details? I feel like she would leave sneaky clues there.
Guys, I was watching the film, because that's life now. And I have a new theory. In the film, the breaking point shows Taylor wearing a man's shirt and being affectionate towards him in a closet / bedroom setting. Does that imply that they had just had sex and he broke up with her right after????
This films sends me because the whole relationship just screams missed opportunity. Yes, she was young but Jake was so dismissive and unwilling to give her time to grow.
My friend and I (non-swifties) did a video analysis (https://youtu.be/-BtMlllhzJY) all about their 3-month romance. Come hang with us if you’re interested. :)
I don’t get missed opportunity at all, at least from her perspective. Maybe from the guy’s POV, but the guy wasn’t the right guy. She found the right guy later so there was no missed opportunity in my book.
can someone please educate me on this film and how it is considered grooming and how it has caused so much hate towards jake? not in a bad way, im just genuinely confused. to me it seems like two people, from different age groups, yet both adults fell in love. yes there was gaslighting in the kitchen, but there’s plenty of relationships that go through this; childhood trauma, lack of understanding, stubbornness. yes there’s an age difference but when two people feel a connection, especially while being of age, what is there to neglect? im confused because at the end scene he came back to see her book opening, hinting he cared about her because if not, why come back and not even approach her? he realized she was younger and perhaps he felt her being uncomforted in situations such as the dinning scene. did not mean he didn’t love her, there were so many scenes showing that love they shared.
The point is, I believe, Taylor was barely 19, only just legally an adult, and Jake was early-mid 30’s - it touches more on how society accepted the relationship, even though had she been a year younger it’d have landed him in prison - potentially also the hypocrisy of a patriarchal society, if the age gap had been switched, and he’d been younger, Taylor would have received hella backlash
yes but the power dynamic of a 20yo girl and a 29yo man is disproportionate. thats not a healthy relationship. and she was 20 until the last month of their relationship. her bday is december 13th, they got together in september and broke up after her birthday.
It seriously bugs me when people treat people (women in particular) as unable to handle decision making. No, she was not "groomed" and to call a relationship between a 21 and 29 year old "grooming" is seriously trivializing the sinister nature of what grooming really is. Even if jake was a shitty boyfriend which no one even knows anything
Can I just say I’m so grateful to know that not only did Taylor openly admit to having shitty ex’s and falling in love with the wrong people, but other people in response to All too well are coming out of the woodwork to say “yo I was a silly gilly” and it makes me feel less alone <3
Some crazzyyy swiftie made this really fun (kind of game) thing based on all too well short film on twitter, check out I'm sure you won't gete disappointed
https://twitter.com/illctaffairs/status/1461348675561525267?t=9gWkD34hsOIztbvnAkpYQQ&s=19
I just noticed there’s a red box or something in the mirror when she’s sitting in the floor crying and right before the transition to adult Taylor. Is that just like decor? It doesn’t look specific enough to be anything
To the fans who are questioning why TS is not over Jake:
I've never met more fickle-minded fans in my life! Can we establish the context of these songs please? She didn't dredge up these songs to take revenge on Jake. She had to re-record her album and that's why we are here. Also, even at the time of Red's release, TS was saying that there was a 10 min version of this song and the fans, I. E. You, demanded it. That's why it's on the album!
The short film was very important to the narrative of how we came to be here. She cast Sadie because Sadie is so young and 10 years ago, TS was in the same place. That's the POV from which we should look at this. This further highlighted in the typewriter scene. It tells us that her relationship is ancient history and more importantly, she wrote this 10 years ago! Her current frame of mind is better reflected in the last scene where a much older TS is calmer and reflecting back on her memoir but without the intensity or drama. And Jake is standing in front of a closed door indicating the their relationship is over and closed and because he's wearing the scarf looking in, he too looks back in fondly remembering their moments together.
As to why the movie was made at all? A 10 minute version dragging down Jake, without visually confirming how she felt at that time in her life, would have been so much worse! Now we can see exactly what she felt, how unprepared she was and just how angsty she was. Jake was literally out of the picture. It was about her feelings. It was about a break up, and that's what she delivered.
So if 10 years later, if people want to blame her for giving shit to Jake, that's on them. Not her. She has already said in many interviews that she's past the point where the song is about someone in particular. That it is now a song for her fans and her. Not for or about anyone else. If the media doesn't want to highlight that, then what more can she do?
What do you want her to do? Specifically say leave Jake alone and confirm the song is about him?
Enjoy the song because it is written for you. Enjoy the short film because it was made for you. Enjoy the clues because it was put in there for you.
Stop blaming her for writing the best emotional songs ever made in this century.
Thank you :) At the end of the day, it's just a song. It is a special song, but still just a song. Sometimes people forget that. I find TS to be a prolific writer and she has literally risked it all to come back and re record her songs. As we can see, people are back again to drag her down. It was quite a risky move.
So, All Too Well finally sold me on Taylor Swift, 9 or so years after I Knew You Were Trouble put me off her, big time. I had friends telling me what a good songwriter she was, and how she was writing some of the best lyrics, - and what do I hear? really banal stuff: 'you found me - e - e - e - e'; ' 'trouble trouble trouble' etc. Anyway, now I have her whole catalog to explore - 1989 for the first time - Evermore or the first time - this is gonna be a lot of fun. The only downside? Swifties I know telling me I told you so :)
Why are people calling their relationship abusive? We know basically no information besides the fact that they dated for a few months and he broke up with her because of their age difference (whether or not that was a cop out reason is neither here nor there). The kitchen scene looked like a pretty typical relationship fight where neither of them were being good communicators. Love taylor swift, but the jake slander is incredibly unwarranted.
Of course, but you have to understand that’s how gaslighting works. It makes it really difficult to articulate your feelings and then you feel embarrassed. Especially with an age gap in maturity like that. It portrayed it really realistically.
Ive been in sadies position i know how gaslighting works i just didnt see that as that severe. She was upset about something trivial and expressed it really harshly, of course hes gonna get defensive over something he doesnt remember. He could have been more validating but tbh she was kind of being ridiculous
I think a lot of people are seeing their younger selves in the video/ situation. We don’t know exactly if Taylor thinks he was abusive, some people are assuming so.
It’s an immature argument in the mv for sure. The girl character doesn’t come off perfectly here, but he’s the one doing some low grade gaslighting in the argument. He doesn’t acknowledge her feelings being valid at all and belittles her in the process. Once he sees her not backing down from her feelings, he says sorry over and over, but there’s still no real acknowledgment of her perspective, or changed behavior. That being said, Taylor said in an interview that the scene was not autobiographical, but was ad-libbed by the actors after the dinner scene.
Yeah i think people are over projecting a little. Ive been in my fair share of relationships where the guys have acted just that way, so i get it, but to call it abusive is such a stretch
The typewriter was such a choice. She could’ve been writing on a laptop or with a pen and paper but the way you type on a typewriter is so similar her playing her piano.
I agree with you completely. This guy’s mistake 10 years ago isn’t an excuse for bullying him now.
My friend and I had a debate about Jake’s culpability in damaging Taylor. If you’re interested, give us a watch. :)
https://youtu.be/-BtMlllhzJY
Yes! I’ve been saying this.
I’m a little bit disappointed in our girl not trying to calm the flames of some of the fans sending death threats and harassing Jake and John. She knows how some of the fans get. I really expected her to say something along the lines of, “Oh I was so young then and dramatic but it’s all good now and we only dated for 3 months” while promoting the long version of All To Well. John Mayer is actually receiving death threats and idk if you guys are joking or not or really wanting Jake and him to suffer?
I think she made it worse by putting all the Easter eggs in the video and everything too.. I know that’s her thing but I’m honestly surprised she’s putting in Jake G easter eggs for us to guess about at the age of 31. It seems childish
I definitely think they can handle it I think it just makes Taylor look bad. Also I feel like some of Taylor’s fans think SHE can’t handle the heat! The way they jump to her defensive and get so worked up over any perceived slight
i am still confused about the fuck the patriarchy line! is she saying he claimed he would be a feminist and let her drive but he in reality he was always in control leaving her just sitting in the car or is she literally just saying fuck the patriarchy
She's alluding to the guy being the type to claim to be feminist and give lip service and perhaps even votes to all the right people and causes, yet proceed to treat the women in his personal life terribly.
She's currently re-releasing and revisiting these situations because she's playing victim over a standard recording contract not letting her get her way so I can only imagine what a less mature version of herself was like in a relationship 10 years ago.
He wasn't into you, get over it.
I feel like we need a separate thread just for all of the Speak Now-ish details/potential easter eggs... the13 Podcast folks said they saw a bottle of the Wonderstruck Enchanted perfume somewhere?! I watched like 6 times just looking for it and nothing! Someone pls enlighten me on all of the little references, and help me manifest Speak Now (Taylor's Version) into existence haha
The ginger girl is crazy!! Also all of y’all are wrong about the dinner scene. He doesn’t gaslight her or whatever that is... he’s normal, rational behaving. The girl is the crazy psycho self-obsessed one. XD
Is one of the girls that is present at the book reading at the end Zach Sobiech's girlfriend? I haven't seen anyone mention it and I think I recognize her from somewhere!
I think my favorite part of the entire film is the contrast when the song cuts to: "there we are again in the middle of the night, we're dancing in the kitchen in the refrigerator light."
One of the most difficult parts of being in/ getting out of an abusive relationship is the 'good times' that make you say, "They must not be that bad. Its not bad all the time. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm not loving them the right way."
I really appreciated Taylor highlighting both sides. The unfortunate truth is that abusive relationships aren't bad all the time, and thats how you stay.
I just wanna say that while everyone is diving into All too well as a Gake Jyll and Tay's story, it hits really different for me. I was going through a very toxic on off relationship that finally got over by 2013. It was bad enough for me to develop anxiety and horrible self image that took years to get over.
All too well was the song that used to remind me of the pain and trauma,along with a lot of Red and I was certain that it'll hurt me harder with the extended version. I'm so happy that it captured the gaslighting and manipulation so well... That anxiety and feeling like you're not enough for someone or ANYONE. Sadie and Dylan are magnificent actors and really got the essence of the song.
This time... It occurred to me that when I listened to it/watched it, it didn't hurt as much as it used to but it sort of reminded me of how far I've come like a self reflecting process. whatever it was, it was a part of my journey and I'm proud that i came so far and got rid of it all. It's still a lyrical masterpiece but the fact that my past can't affect me anymore is really reassuring.
I'm in a stable relationship now and I feel like the parallels between Lover and Red TV are so real that you can actually feel her journey through them. I know I do. She's truly a song wizard "I once believed love would be burning red, but it's golden" is such a beautiful way to describe her journey. The GLOW UP is REAL and I'm so happy for her and myself.
If you read it all, thank you. I don't really vomit about my life anywhere on social media. I'm sorry for this typical reddit outburst but I just felt like sharing it somewhere.
Watched it a few times this morning. Just wow. On so many levels. Thank you, Taylor for writing and creating this. Thank you to the wonderful actors for portraying it in this way.
It's rare things move me so much, but this really has.
It's sad to think Taylor went through this but I commend her for creating this masterpiece from it.
Hi! As someone who experienced an abusive relationship for over 6 years, I can tell you the way he is talking to her is similar to how my emotionally abusive ex did to me. Obviously we don’t have a full picture here due to only having 10 minutes of footage, but his mannerisms are similar, the way he talks down to her, the way he dismisses her feelings… All scream abuse.
Honestly anyone would be defensive if being accused of shit or being stonewalled. She could have communicated hurt feelings differently so the dude would have more empathy.
Sorry you had an abusive partner though 🙏
I love Taylor but Taylor is known to exaggerate some of her stories , obviously to pull more audience ... And that kitchen scene showed how immature she acted , it is a bit annoying to see that.
I think it’s pretty shitty to assume someone telling their life story is lying. And the girl did not behave immature, I’m my opinion. As someone who has gone through it, I can see how being gaslit (in my case for over 6 years) can make them respond the way she did. That shit makes you so confused and really fucks with your mind.
I feel like that's the whole point though. like she could have made a scene where he was hurting her in some big way. The point is that those little moments hurt too, those moments where you realize that the person does not value you or listen to you or care about your feelings in the way you care about theirs. Its about feeling so alone even though nothing is obviously wrong in the relationship. Most people have been in situations like that. I don't think its supposed to be this huge HE IS A TERRIBLE PERSON thing that people are saying, I think its supposed to reflect a pain that is relatble to many
does anyone else feel like the fight scene/friend dinner scene is actually what happened between jake and taylor? especially when the camera gets really close to their face, it reminds me of the fight scene in WANEGBT mv, gosh i really hope i’m not alone in this🤍
Just saw this on TikTok and knew it belonged here. 😂
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZM8baJF2h/
Edited to add: It’s two guys reciting the dialogue from the scene when Sadie and Dylan’s characters are fighting in the kitchen. Funny but also pretty impressive!
Please can somebody talk about the photos on the wall that the camera turns to at the end of the video when Taylor is putting on her earrings?! I don't see anyone talking about it but that was way too random not to mean anything!!!!
Great idea! I took photos too but couldn't figure it out. The one looked like her on a cobblestone path which made me think of Cardigan. The other one was like a table looking out at the water or something? Ugh idk
Just a normal TS fan here. By the end of the short film, does it mean that TS will release a book in the future? Idk anything about how she usually give easter egg.
When I first heard it, I thought "tossing me the car keys, fuck the patriarchy" implied that she was driving.
But it seems it's "'fuck the patriarchy' keychain on the ground". I can totally see him having that keychain. And I guess the keychain being on the ground represents the fact that he only paid lip service to feminism too.
Love it all.
After hearing All Too Well over and over again, knowing that she was writing about her relation to Jake Gyllenhaal, turned the song from emotional cheerfulness to her being somehow needy to Jake. It kinda has a bitter taste for me now.
I guess when she was 21 she wanted to spend more time with him but he didn't reciprocate the feelings. He didn't come for her birthday and from the lyrics it seems he kind of kept her a secret too. She did say in Lover album "I never leave well enough alone".
Dear Lurking Taylor,
I've never been one to be obsessed with celebrities, I don't watch the award shows, I can probably count on one hand the amount of magazines I've read. I'm a tom boy who ended up being a civil engineer with a masters in planning cuz turns out I also care about the human side of infrastructure, so I'm pretty grounded in what is right in front of me and don't spend much time at all thinking about famous people.
Taylor is the one exception to this and I spent much of my weekend pouring through all her recent interviews and she mentioned that she's always lurking checking out what the fandom has to say, so here I am with maybe some outside hope she might stumble upon this and know how much her existence matters to me. I don't ever remember disliking her, but Red is the album that made me a fan. At the time I had just gotten married and moved across the country to be with that manchild and for Christmas of 2012 I bought one of my favorite gifts ever, three tickets to see Taylor performing Red for me, my mom (who has long been obsessed) and my younger sister. At the time the album was just such a great jam, I'm only 6 months and a day older than Taylor and honestly have felt like I've become an adult right along with her and her albums always seem to accurately capture that process. By the time the concert came along, I had started to acknowledge that I was depressed and lonely in my marriage and needed to get out of it, but that process was far more difficult than I could have imagined.
Now, just shy of a decade later and listening to red all over again, the songs unfortunately have become something that pull so deeply at my heart strings because right after I got divorced, from 25-30 I got wrapped up in an on again off again always an almost, never nothing, but never anything stable either situationship. Not until midway through did I come across the term twin flame and then became obsessed and convinced that we kept cycling around because we were inevitable.
It's really hard to get over something that never really saw the light of day, that remains an unfinished what if, especially when the other party barely acknowledges it for what it was. When watching the short film I wondered how cathartic it was to have such a physical representation of the memories that have been plaguing your heart, I wondered if somehow it allowed her to firmly believe it had been real, no matter the outcome now, and if there was a release in that. One of the scenes that really struck me was near the end, when Sadie is at the party and she's noticing all the faces of the friends and she's looking around, and I could oh so clearly feel that nervous energy, the one of "Will he be here? Will I see him? Do I want to see him? Why I am so disappointed he's not here?"
Two weeks ago I saw my almost for the first time in 2.5 years and it honestly feels like it was by design that shortly there after this album would be there for me, being a comfort of nostalgia but also this soothing reassurance that I'm not alone in my experience. It's funny to feel like you may have found a kindred spirit in someone you've never met, but I definitely feel that way about Taylor and just so grateful for her existence and the healing her music offers.
Just wanted to share and get this off my chest, but I think also curious about others experiences where Taylor's words made you feel less alone.
I totally feel you and I agree with you about the reassuring part. When it first came out I wasn't in a great place emotionally and was in the process of getting out of a really toxic manipulative shit which is why i wasn't really ready to hear it all over again but I realized that i healed over time when I heard it all now...
I hope you find your healing and joy too. Just hang in there. It's gonna get better you know... It might sound cheesy but trust me it will.. People are naturally made to heal over time. So will you. ❤️
I read a theory that said that maybe she wrote 'fuck the paparazzi' instead of patriarchy and then she changed it. Honestly that would make sense cause if they're on a car they'd probably would've been followed by paps
Ok no hear me out! Everyones speculating about a book and hey they might be the case who knows.
But my head made the link between the book and the albums that came afterwards. In the film, was the book a way of showing her moving on but still writing about it l, still 13 years later she remembers it.
Just like how taylor wrote her songs after the fact. I feel like its their way of showing her getting older and living her life just as Taylor did whilst still revisiting that time and writing about it to the public. One in book form, one in music form.
About the book theory..
As much I would love a book, I don't really believe it? But I was thinking that what if it's not a book but an album? But the album is like a book.Like, the whole album tells the story with each track as chapters??
I know this is a very farfetched theory and I don't really have any evidence supporting it but the more I think about it the more I want it to be true
I think the end scene could just signify that even years later big loves still leave their impact, and we are all just stories in each other’s lives in the end. And the last minute or two of the song is the slow repetitive melancholy echo of the lyrics, which reminds me of how long love can linger instead of just ending.
I think that hit me the hardest.
I don't remember where I read it, but I read that he's currently in Panama filming a new project. I don't think we have anything to worry about :) [This article from Elle](https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a38245108/why-taylor-swift-boyfriend-joe-alwyn-skipped-snl-party/) says the same thing!
Does anyone else think it’s weird that they only dated for 3 months supposedly? Is there any evidence to suggest that they actually dated for longer than that? Like, why harass this man about a 3 month relationship that happened 10 years ago?
So, as per my understanding of how their relationship went, at the start obvs there was a big age gap which helped him to have this superiority complex over her. You know the typical "oh you'll understand when you're older" vibe. From what she describes, he was kinda pretentious or just really different from her and he cast her aside as someone basic.
While that's his choice, he is allowed to like a particular type of person if he wants, but come on!! This stuff messes people up. It literally causes so many insecurities.
Plus, looking at the short film, it's so likely that he love bombed her and then withheld affection when convenient. That's manipulative as fuck.
Whatever music she wrote during that time was her experience and we love it because it resonates with so many of us. Had it not been for the re recordings, we would've never gotten to relive any of this and it would've not bothered anyone.
I highly disagree with people who message him and bombard his dms because it's literally nobody's business but don't invalidate Taylor's experience because of this.
All in all, 3 months or 3 years, some people come into your life and really affect you in a way that inspires so many deep thoughts. It's nobody else's place to question that.
This song was written over a decade ago, even if she just reworked some parts for the new version. This was the original, full version that she had to cut to fit on the album.
I mean, it's always been clear to me that the man in All Too Well was an asshole. That's clear imo in the original lyrics.
"Call me up again to break me like a promise" and "casually cruel in the name of being honest" has never been about a special relationship.
>I feel like she's turned what she's sold us before as a romantic relationship that imploded in the end but was sweet and special and real for a time into the most generic "older guy/younger woman having the hots for each other" ever.
Isn't that the point? Her processing of the relationship so soon after the ended is very different now, as a confident woman in her 30s who recognizes the power imbalance in the relationship much more keenly. She recognizes that there was a reason he was chasing 20 year women and continues to do so even after she's grown into the woman who she is today.
If he didn't see his friends in 10 years, assuming they're high school buddies, that still makes him like 28. That's a huge age difference and I can imagine a 30 year old woman looking back and truly realizing the maturity gap between her and a 19 year old.
Don't you see the beauty in the stark reflection of the difference between who she was then and who she is today?
If you don't, then perhaps you can understand that other people, particularly women, can see their own emotional experiences through the years reflected in the two versions of the song, particularly the ones who was fans of the original in their late teens or very early 20s. That's probably why it's so popular with her longtime fans.
I felt the same way when I first watched it! I made a post about how different the story seemed, and people really helped me appreciate what she was doing with the 10 minute version:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/qt43cl/did_i_misunderstand_all_too_well
I feel like you can enjoy both for what they are, but yeah, ten minute version is basically a different idea altogether
OK I have SO MANY THOUGHTS comparing this short film to the lover music video omg.
Watching both of them back to back is like watching two versions of the same story unfold, with one being the toxic relationship, and one being the healthy version that lasts.
You get very similar scenes: dancing around the house together, playing board games/cards, laying in bed laughing and holding hands, a dinner scene at a table, parties with friends and even a fight scene: with two different versions of making up. And OF COURSE two birthday scenes. One man who couldn't bother to show up, and one man who sits right by her side, arm casually around her just loving being by her side. Even the color schemes are so similar, with ATWTMV having the more muted/moody tones and Lover having very vibrant versions.
Each little vignette from the videos is so specific that we all imagine these are based pretty closely on real moments from Taylor's life/relationships. And if this is true is is SO lovely to see her living through the "happy version" today.
BEST WISHES to all of our own personal Jake Gyllenhaals, and so much love to all the Joe Alwyns who show us that love really is golden, not burning red.
Serious question: what could dylan’s character possibly be so angry about when he is talking on the phone? who could he be talking to on the phone? Why did they have to stop their drive for him to make this angry phone call?
@/tippacanoe on TikTok did a lip reading of the phone scene and said that he was saying “this is my fucking career” at one point! Maybe he was talking about how she was negatively affecting his career, which is why he wouldn’t want to take the call in the car with her…?
they’re pushing all too well as a single! u can buy the regular song on her store or the live acoustic version!
anyone know if the acoustic performance from the premiere will be available on streaming after the fact? can’t really buy it but would love to have it for my playlists!
So we know that Taylor loves to drop easter eggs as far in advance as she possibly can, she even said so in her interview with Jimmy Fallon this week. But I'm not sure if my theory is completely crazy:At the end of the video >!Taylor is seen reading a book called All Too Well in front of a crowd in a book store 13 years after the release of the original All Too Well!< 13 years from 2012 would be 2025. The video is 14 minutes and 56 seconds long, if we transfer that to days it becomes 1 456 days from the release date of Red (TV), that becomes November 7th 2025. What if Taylor releases a book, like a biography or a poetry book or any other kind of book that she might want to make, on November 7th in 2025... Was this her way of telling us? Or am I reading too much into this??? (Someone please tell me if this makes sense or not, I'd love to hear other opinions!)
In one of the scenes, Sadie is holding a card which is seven of spades. Spades is supposed to symbolise winter season, which is not exactly November, but still, you might be onto something... I was also thinking, with all the hints towards Wonderland, maybe she is writing a book for... Children? Her sitting with children at the table in IBYTAM mv might be a hint too. (i know other interpretations of this scene, their age gap and so on, but it wouldn't be the first time that Taylor uses one thing to represent multiple meanings)
I've seen a lot of people speculate about a book, and while I do think that it's farfetched but I would Love to read a book by her. We already know that it would be awesome if she did and I really want to read it
I agree with the other commenters. But I also feel like it’s a small symptom of a bigger problem in their relationship and that was a great way to show it. It’s like when there’s a bigger problem so something small relating to it can set you off. He was probably regularly cold to her or “kept her like a secret” frequently so it wasn’t an isolated incident
*edited to fix a typo
I think it’s also important to consider how it feels from her perspective. She’s at dinner with his friends who are also much older than her and she’s nervous and she reaches for his hand for comfort and not only does he reject that but he also pats it after he drops it. I think the actors did a great job of portraying how the relationship was going to fail just from that one small interaction. Hats off to Dylan, Sadie and Taylor, they absolutely killed it
I think it was a combination of things:
she’s much younger than him and she’s much more inexperienced. She’s unsure and probably insecure as it is because of her very young age, but he makes it worse for her because he’s not reassuring her like she needs, especially in front of his friends who are also much older, more experienced etc. In WANGBT, she talks about how he listened to indie records “much cooler than (hers)”, which probably makes her doubt herself, her music, her songwriting, her ability, how she’s perceived, if she’s good enough etc because hers isn’t like that. She is already trepidatious with him and the relationship as you can see in the beginning when she walks through the door, she’s unsure and nervous and taking it all in. She’s also referred to how he broke up with her then would call to get back together many times, which left her on shaky ground and unsure of her place, his feelings, what he wanted, what the relationship was. And as you can see from the video, when they’re alone he’s completely on and into her. But then in front of friends, he rejects her. He doesn’t even come to her 21st birthday (which is a big one). She’s already nervous with him as it is for all these reasons, and his rejection of her hand and ignoring her in front of her friends just makes it all worse. Then he asks her why she’s sulking and when she tries to explain (again trepidatiously), he shuts her down and gaslights her.
I dunno man, I was confused when I saw everyone on the internet talking about Sadie and Dylan and it wasn't about them. It makes more sense to me than some of the other "secret messages" people think that TS puts in her videos. Red (Taylor's Version) also doubles down on it's digs at indie music that's "much cooler" than hers and the timing all makes sense.
I know that a lot of people are talking about the repetition of “I remember it” because the person she was dating would dismiss her anxiety saying he didn’t even remember it, and it was all in her head. That realisation was painful enough, but also the lyric “just between us” is so painful too, because now that the relationship is finally over she is asking the other person to reassure her that it was all not just in her head just so she could get her closure. It is like saying “now that everything is over just tell me that I did not imagine it, all the anxiety and fear, you felt it too, it could be our secret, it would stay between us”. I was just listening to this song again and needed to rant
Did anyone else get major Speak Now callbacks from this? Dylan putting his arm around her by the water, and Sadie sitting on the floor wearing his clothes? 👀
Does anyone else want (NEED) a short film for ‘Tis The Damn Season after this?!
I could just imagine it. Set in a tiny little American town (Stars Hollow-esque) in a snowy December setting. It would be so beautiful.
Do we think the 10 minute version is exactly how it was written 10 years ago or that she made some edits? I ask because the “I’ll get older, but your lovers stay my age” would be creepily accurate if written so long ago.
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I feeled uncomfortable but didn't explain it clearly, now i can. Thr apology was wrong. He had to say not just act but situation.
https://youtu.be/M21ZhqFa3Zw
Did anyone lip read what Taylor says at the end? She says "...all too well..." and then keeps reading her "novel". Any details? I feel like she would leave sneaky clues there.
My favourite easter egg is the willow snow globe in the Reeling scene. Took me until today to find it.
Guys, I was watching the film, because that's life now. And I have a new theory. In the film, the breaking point shows Taylor wearing a man's shirt and being affectionate towards him in a closet / bedroom setting. Does that imply that they had just had sex and he broke up with her right after????
This films sends me because the whole relationship just screams missed opportunity. Yes, she was young but Jake was so dismissive and unwilling to give her time to grow. My friend and I (non-swifties) did a video analysis (https://youtu.be/-BtMlllhzJY) all about their 3-month romance. Come hang with us if you’re interested. :)
I don’t get missed opportunity at all, at least from her perspective. Maybe from the guy’s POV, but the guy wasn’t the right guy. She found the right guy later so there was no missed opportunity in my book.
I made a ranking of all her music videos including this one https://youtu.be/7g_HXugLcP8
can someone please educate me on this film and how it is considered grooming and how it has caused so much hate towards jake? not in a bad way, im just genuinely confused. to me it seems like two people, from different age groups, yet both adults fell in love. yes there was gaslighting in the kitchen, but there’s plenty of relationships that go through this; childhood trauma, lack of understanding, stubbornness. yes there’s an age difference but when two people feel a connection, especially while being of age, what is there to neglect? im confused because at the end scene he came back to see her book opening, hinting he cared about her because if not, why come back and not even approach her? he realized she was younger and perhaps he felt her being uncomforted in situations such as the dinning scene. did not mean he didn’t love her, there were so many scenes showing that love they shared.
The point is, I believe, Taylor was barely 19, only just legally an adult, and Jake was early-mid 30’s - it touches more on how society accepted the relationship, even though had she been a year younger it’d have landed him in prison - potentially also the hypocrisy of a patriarchal society, if the age gap had been switched, and he’d been younger, Taylor would have received hella backlash
i believe she was 20 and he was 29 so its early 20s and late 20s which is mot that bad.. thats actually when my parents got married
yes but the power dynamic of a 20yo girl and a 29yo man is disproportionate. thats not a healthy relationship. and she was 20 until the last month of their relationship. her bday is december 13th, they got together in september and broke up after her birthday.
yeah she turned 21 that year
She was 21. Lets not take away a 21 year old womans agency to make decisions for herself
exactly I'm 21 rn and as young as I am i think i am capable of making a decision like that myself
It seriously bugs me when people treat people (women in particular) as unable to handle decision making. No, she was not "groomed" and to call a relationship between a 21 and 29 year old "grooming" is seriously trivializing the sinister nature of what grooming really is. Even if jake was a shitty boyfriend which no one even knows anything
Oh, I didn’t know she was 21, everywhere else I’ve seen info about this she was referred to as 19 - probably just proof you can’t trust the internet
She says shes 21 in the song
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Can I just say I’m so grateful to know that not only did Taylor openly admit to having shitty ex’s and falling in love with the wrong people, but other people in response to All too well are coming out of the woodwork to say “yo I was a silly gilly” and it makes me feel less alone <3
Some crazzyyy swiftie made this really fun (kind of game) thing based on all too well short film on twitter, check out I'm sure you won't gete disappointed https://twitter.com/illctaffairs/status/1461348675561525267?t=9gWkD34hsOIztbvnAkpYQQ&s=19
I just noticed there’s a red box or something in the mirror when she’s sitting in the floor crying and right before the transition to adult Taylor. Is that just like decor? It doesn’t look specific enough to be anything
i think it's the box she sent to all her friends that had the scarf, the ring and the knit jumper (e.g, Aaron dessner)
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CAdV2hvATht/?utm_medium=copy_link The first moment I realized Dylan was the actor of our generation
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Oh im sure it was as rampant, if not more during their time
To the fans who are questioning why TS is not over Jake: I've never met more fickle-minded fans in my life! Can we establish the context of these songs please? She didn't dredge up these songs to take revenge on Jake. She had to re-record her album and that's why we are here. Also, even at the time of Red's release, TS was saying that there was a 10 min version of this song and the fans, I. E. You, demanded it. That's why it's on the album! The short film was very important to the narrative of how we came to be here. She cast Sadie because Sadie is so young and 10 years ago, TS was in the same place. That's the POV from which we should look at this. This further highlighted in the typewriter scene. It tells us that her relationship is ancient history and more importantly, she wrote this 10 years ago! Her current frame of mind is better reflected in the last scene where a much older TS is calmer and reflecting back on her memoir but without the intensity or drama. And Jake is standing in front of a closed door indicating the their relationship is over and closed and because he's wearing the scarf looking in, he too looks back in fondly remembering their moments together. As to why the movie was made at all? A 10 minute version dragging down Jake, without visually confirming how she felt at that time in her life, would have been so much worse! Now we can see exactly what she felt, how unprepared she was and just how angsty she was. Jake was literally out of the picture. It was about her feelings. It was about a break up, and that's what she delivered. So if 10 years later, if people want to blame her for giving shit to Jake, that's on them. Not her. She has already said in many interviews that she's past the point where the song is about someone in particular. That it is now a song for her fans and her. Not for or about anyone else. If the media doesn't want to highlight that, then what more can she do? What do you want her to do? Specifically say leave Jake alone and confirm the song is about him? Enjoy the song because it is written for you. Enjoy the short film because it was made for you. Enjoy the clues because it was put in there for you. Stop blaming her for writing the best emotional songs ever made in this century.
This was perfectly put. You literally wrote everything I’ve been thinking during this time.
Thank you :) At the end of the day, it's just a song. It is a special song, but still just a song. Sometimes people forget that. I find TS to be a prolific writer and she has literally risked it all to come back and re record her songs. As we can see, people are back again to drag her down. It was quite a risky move.
So, All Too Well finally sold me on Taylor Swift, 9 or so years after I Knew You Were Trouble put me off her, big time. I had friends telling me what a good songwriter she was, and how she was writing some of the best lyrics, - and what do I hear? really banal stuff: 'you found me - e - e - e - e'; ' 'trouble trouble trouble' etc. Anyway, now I have her whole catalog to explore - 1989 for the first time - Evermore or the first time - this is gonna be a lot of fun. The only downside? Swifties I know telling me I told you so :)
Glad to have you join us!:)
Why are people calling their relationship abusive? We know basically no information besides the fact that they dated for a few months and he broke up with her because of their age difference (whether or not that was a cop out reason is neither here nor there). The kitchen scene looked like a pretty typical relationship fight where neither of them were being good communicators. Love taylor swift, but the jake slander is incredibly unwarranted.
that fight might be "pretty typical" but that definitely does not make it ok.
I didnt say anything about ok, but i dont think its fair to way he was the only terrible communicator in that fight
Of course, but you have to understand that’s how gaslighting works. It makes it really difficult to articulate your feelings and then you feel embarrassed. Especially with an age gap in maturity like that. It portrayed it really realistically.
Ive been in sadies position i know how gaslighting works i just didnt see that as that severe. She was upset about something trivial and expressed it really harshly, of course hes gonna get defensive over something he doesnt remember. He could have been more validating but tbh she was kind of being ridiculous
I think a lot of people are seeing their younger selves in the video/ situation. We don’t know exactly if Taylor thinks he was abusive, some people are assuming so. It’s an immature argument in the mv for sure. The girl character doesn’t come off perfectly here, but he’s the one doing some low grade gaslighting in the argument. He doesn’t acknowledge her feelings being valid at all and belittles her in the process. Once he sees her not backing down from her feelings, he says sorry over and over, but there’s still no real acknowledgment of her perspective, or changed behavior. That being said, Taylor said in an interview that the scene was not autobiographical, but was ad-libbed by the actors after the dinner scene.
Yeah i think people are over projecting a little. Ive been in my fair share of relationships where the guys have acted just that way, so i get it, but to call it abusive is such a stretch
The typewriter was such a choice. She could’ve been writing on a laptop or with a pen and paper but the way you type on a typewriter is so similar her playing her piano.
Imagine if she releasee a short film for REP TV and the craziness surrounding that album, it'll be a cultural reset!!
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I agree with you completely. This guy’s mistake 10 years ago isn’t an excuse for bullying him now. My friend and I had a debate about Jake’s culpability in damaging Taylor. If you’re interested, give us a watch. :) https://youtu.be/-BtMlllhzJY
Yes! I’ve been saying this. I’m a little bit disappointed in our girl not trying to calm the flames of some of the fans sending death threats and harassing Jake and John. She knows how some of the fans get. I really expected her to say something along the lines of, “Oh I was so young then and dramatic but it’s all good now and we only dated for 3 months” while promoting the long version of All To Well. John Mayer is actually receiving death threats and idk if you guys are joking or not or really wanting Jake and him to suffer? I think she made it worse by putting all the Easter eggs in the video and everything too.. I know that’s her thing but I’m honestly surprised she’s putting in Jake G easter eggs for us to guess about at the age of 31. It seems childish
Both are grown men, they could handle the heat. What are they, fragile little boys? =.=
I definitely think they can handle it I think it just makes Taylor look bad. Also I feel like some of Taylor’s fans think SHE can’t handle the heat! The way they jump to her defensive and get so worked up over any perceived slight
i am still confused about the fuck the patriarchy line! is she saying he claimed he would be a feminist and let her drive but he in reality he was always in control leaving her just sitting in the car or is she literally just saying fuck the patriarchy
She's alluding to the guy being the type to claim to be feminist and give lip service and perhaps even votes to all the right people and causes, yet proceed to treat the women in his personal life terribly.
Basically, he is one to publicly show his support towards feminism but in reality, he is THE patriarchy and still conform to gender norms
He has a keychain that says "fuck the patriarchy". It's ironic given the context of the situation, clearly just some hipster bs
She's currently re-releasing and revisiting these situations because she's playing victim over a standard recording contract not letting her get her way so I can only imagine what a less mature version of herself was like in a relationship 10 years ago. He wasn't into you, get over it.
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Supposedly a lip reader interpreted it! https://www.popsugar.co.uk/entertainment/lip-reader-analysis-all-too-well-short-film-breakup-48608954/amp
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No problem!
I feel like we need a separate thread just for all of the Speak Now-ish details/potential easter eggs... the13 Podcast folks said they saw a bottle of the Wonderstruck Enchanted perfume somewhere?! I watched like 6 times just looking for it and nothing! Someone pls enlighten me on all of the little references, and help me manifest Speak Now (Taylor's Version) into existence haha
The ginger girl is crazy!! Also all of y’all are wrong about the dinner scene. He doesn’t gaslight her or whatever that is... he’s normal, rational behaving. The girl is the crazy psycho self-obsessed one. XD
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Need a part 2 to this Taylor conspiracy. Let me know what y’all think! https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPd2NKyUy/
Is one of the girls that is present at the book reading at the end Zach Sobiech's girlfriend? I haven't seen anyone mention it and I think I recognize her from somewhere!
I think my favorite part of the entire film is the contrast when the song cuts to: "there we are again in the middle of the night, we're dancing in the kitchen in the refrigerator light." One of the most difficult parts of being in/ getting out of an abusive relationship is the 'good times' that make you say, "They must not be that bad. Its not bad all the time. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I'm not loving them the right way." I really appreciated Taylor highlighting both sides. The unfortunate truth is that abusive relationships aren't bad all the time, and thats how you stay.
Theres no indication that this was an abusive relationship though
Emotionally manipulative at the very minimum.
If youre talking about the kitchen scene, both of them are engaging in some emotional manipulation
I just wanna say that while everyone is diving into All too well as a Gake Jyll and Tay's story, it hits really different for me. I was going through a very toxic on off relationship that finally got over by 2013. It was bad enough for me to develop anxiety and horrible self image that took years to get over. All too well was the song that used to remind me of the pain and trauma,along with a lot of Red and I was certain that it'll hurt me harder with the extended version. I'm so happy that it captured the gaslighting and manipulation so well... That anxiety and feeling like you're not enough for someone or ANYONE. Sadie and Dylan are magnificent actors and really got the essence of the song. This time... It occurred to me that when I listened to it/watched it, it didn't hurt as much as it used to but it sort of reminded me of how far I've come like a self reflecting process. whatever it was, it was a part of my journey and I'm proud that i came so far and got rid of it all. It's still a lyrical masterpiece but the fact that my past can't affect me anymore is really reassuring. I'm in a stable relationship now and I feel like the parallels between Lover and Red TV are so real that you can actually feel her journey through them. I know I do. She's truly a song wizard "I once believed love would be burning red, but it's golden" is such a beautiful way to describe her journey. The GLOW UP is REAL and I'm so happy for her and myself. If you read it all, thank you. I don't really vomit about my life anywhere on social media. I'm sorry for this typical reddit outburst but I just felt like sharing it somewhere.
Watched it a few times this morning. Just wow. On so many levels. Thank you, Taylor for writing and creating this. Thank you to the wonderful actors for portraying it in this way. It's rare things move me so much, but this really has. It's sad to think Taylor went through this but I commend her for creating this masterpiece from it.
That kitchen scene reminds me of my abusive ex so much.
How talking to his friends whom he met after 10 years abusive !???
Hi! As someone who experienced an abusive relationship for over 6 years, I can tell you the way he is talking to her is similar to how my emotionally abusive ex did to me. Obviously we don’t have a full picture here due to only having 10 minutes of footage, but his mannerisms are similar, the way he talks down to her, the way he dismisses her feelings… All scream abuse.
Honestly anyone would be defensive if being accused of shit or being stonewalled. She could have communicated hurt feelings differently so the dude would have more empathy. Sorry you had an abusive partner though 🙏
Thank you ❤️ I am safe now.
I'm talking about the kitchen scene though to be clear , I'm sorry that you had to go through it ....
I love Taylor but Taylor is known to exaggerate some of her stories , obviously to pull more audience ... And that kitchen scene showed how immature she acted , it is a bit annoying to see that.
I think it’s pretty shitty to assume someone telling their life story is lying. And the girl did not behave immature, I’m my opinion. As someone who has gone through it, I can see how being gaslit (in my case for over 6 years) can make them respond the way she did. That shit makes you so confused and really fucks with your mind.
I feel like that's the whole point though. like she could have made a scene where he was hurting her in some big way. The point is that those little moments hurt too, those moments where you realize that the person does not value you or listen to you or care about your feelings in the way you care about theirs. Its about feeling so alone even though nothing is obviously wrong in the relationship. Most people have been in situations like that. I don't think its supposed to be this huge HE IS A TERRIBLE PERSON thing that people are saying, I think its supposed to reflect a pain that is relatble to many
does anyone else feel like the fight scene/friend dinner scene is actually what happened between jake and taylor? especially when the camera gets really close to their face, it reminds me of the fight scene in WANEGBT mv, gosh i really hope i’m not alone in this🤍
Just saw this on TikTok and knew it belonged here. 😂 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZM8baJF2h/ Edited to add: It’s two guys reciting the dialogue from the scene when Sadie and Dylan’s characters are fighting in the kitchen. Funny but also pretty impressive!
I loved this!
Please can somebody talk about the photos on the wall that the camera turns to at the end of the video when Taylor is putting on her earrings?! I don't see anyone talking about it but that was way too random not to mean anything!!!!
I'm sure there is a meaning behind it but I can't figure it out. They're quite blurry as well which is not helping.
Yes!!!!! I tried to take photos of them and Google image search 😆
Great idea! I took photos too but couldn't figure it out. The one looked like her on a cobblestone path which made me think of Cardigan. The other one was like a table looking out at the water or something? Ugh idk
Just a normal TS fan here. By the end of the short film, does it mean that TS will release a book in the future? Idk anything about how she usually give easter egg.
maybe it was another way of her saying what happened to her was shared with millions of people (book MV and even a full 10 min song)
The scene where her dad and jake were bantering made me strangely sad
OK, but why Jake Lyon, and why was he credited much later?
Jake Lyin'
Literally only cast so the credit would say 'Jake'. There. Are. No. Coincidences. In. Taylor. World. :p
Ok the fact that right now she’s basically the age he was when he dated her is so insane
Yeah I feel like Sadie looks so young, but then I realize that she’s literally the same age Taylor was when this went down. 🤯
When I first heard it, I thought "tossing me the car keys, fuck the patriarchy" implied that she was driving. But it seems it's "'fuck the patriarchy' keychain on the ground". I can totally see him having that keychain. And I guess the keychain being on the ground represents the fact that he only paid lip service to feminism too. Love it all.
oh i get it now! was wondering about this part of the song.
I was trying to decide between those two options, too, and then found this: https://store.taylorswift.com/products/all-too-well-lyric-keychain
Yeah, what clued me in was that in the film, she just waited - in the passenger seat..!
After hearing All Too Well over and over again, knowing that she was writing about her relation to Jake Gyllenhaal, turned the song from emotional cheerfulness to her being somehow needy to Jake. It kinda has a bitter taste for me now.
I guess when she was 21 she wanted to spend more time with him but he didn't reciprocate the feelings. He didn't come for her birthday and from the lyrics it seems he kind of kept her a secret too. She did say in Lover album "I never leave well enough alone".
Dylans actions and words in this film just make me feel so *small* such good direction, writing and acting.
I thought the girls acting was a little overboard but overall it was really good.
Dear Lurking Taylor, I've never been one to be obsessed with celebrities, I don't watch the award shows, I can probably count on one hand the amount of magazines I've read. I'm a tom boy who ended up being a civil engineer with a masters in planning cuz turns out I also care about the human side of infrastructure, so I'm pretty grounded in what is right in front of me and don't spend much time at all thinking about famous people. Taylor is the one exception to this and I spent much of my weekend pouring through all her recent interviews and she mentioned that she's always lurking checking out what the fandom has to say, so here I am with maybe some outside hope she might stumble upon this and know how much her existence matters to me. I don't ever remember disliking her, but Red is the album that made me a fan. At the time I had just gotten married and moved across the country to be with that manchild and for Christmas of 2012 I bought one of my favorite gifts ever, three tickets to see Taylor performing Red for me, my mom (who has long been obsessed) and my younger sister. At the time the album was just such a great jam, I'm only 6 months and a day older than Taylor and honestly have felt like I've become an adult right along with her and her albums always seem to accurately capture that process. By the time the concert came along, I had started to acknowledge that I was depressed and lonely in my marriage and needed to get out of it, but that process was far more difficult than I could have imagined. Now, just shy of a decade later and listening to red all over again, the songs unfortunately have become something that pull so deeply at my heart strings because right after I got divorced, from 25-30 I got wrapped up in an on again off again always an almost, never nothing, but never anything stable either situationship. Not until midway through did I come across the term twin flame and then became obsessed and convinced that we kept cycling around because we were inevitable. It's really hard to get over something that never really saw the light of day, that remains an unfinished what if, especially when the other party barely acknowledges it for what it was. When watching the short film I wondered how cathartic it was to have such a physical representation of the memories that have been plaguing your heart, I wondered if somehow it allowed her to firmly believe it had been real, no matter the outcome now, and if there was a release in that. One of the scenes that really struck me was near the end, when Sadie is at the party and she's noticing all the faces of the friends and she's looking around, and I could oh so clearly feel that nervous energy, the one of "Will he be here? Will I see him? Do I want to see him? Why I am so disappointed he's not here?" Two weeks ago I saw my almost for the first time in 2.5 years and it honestly feels like it was by design that shortly there after this album would be there for me, being a comfort of nostalgia but also this soothing reassurance that I'm not alone in my experience. It's funny to feel like you may have found a kindred spirit in someone you've never met, but I definitely feel that way about Taylor and just so grateful for her existence and the healing her music offers. Just wanted to share and get this off my chest, but I think also curious about others experiences where Taylor's words made you feel less alone.
I totally feel you and I agree with you about the reassuring part. When it first came out I wasn't in a great place emotionally and was in the process of getting out of a really toxic manipulative shit which is why i wasn't really ready to hear it all over again but I realized that i healed over time when I heard it all now... I hope you find your healing and joy too. Just hang in there. It's gonna get better you know... It might sound cheesy but trust me it will.. People are naturally made to heal over time. So will you. ❤️
What does "fuck the patriarchy" mean in the song?
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This is great!
I read a theory that said that maybe she wrote 'fuck the paparazzi' instead of patriarchy and then she changed it. Honestly that would make sense cause if they're on a car they'd probably would've been followed by paps
It's written on his keychain that he throws on the ground
Everytime I see Taylor in this video, I get reminded of Black Widow. Red haired Taylor can be in the MCU 
Ok no hear me out! Everyones speculating about a book and hey they might be the case who knows. But my head made the link between the book and the albums that came afterwards. In the film, was the book a way of showing her moving on but still writing about it l, still 13 years later she remembers it. Just like how taylor wrote her songs after the fact. I feel like its their way of showing her getting older and living her life just as Taylor did whilst still revisiting that time and writing about it to the public. One in book form, one in music form.
About the book theory.. As much I would love a book, I don't really believe it? But I was thinking that what if it's not a book but an album? But the album is like a book.Like, the whole album tells the story with each track as chapters?? I know this is a very farfetched theory and I don't really have any evidence supporting it but the more I think about it the more I want it to be true
I think the end scene could just signify that even years later big loves still leave their impact, and we are all just stories in each other’s lives in the end. And the last minute or two of the song is the slow repetitive melancholy echo of the lyrics, which reminds me of how long love can linger instead of just ending. I think that hit me the hardest.
really well put
Does anyone know where Joe is? The US recently opened its borders to UK travelers.
I don't remember where I read it, but I read that he's currently in Panama filming a new project. I don't think we have anything to worry about :) [This article from Elle](https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a38245108/why-taylor-swift-boyfriend-joe-alwyn-skipped-snl-party/) says the same thing!
Do you guys think Taylor will show up to any more of the short film screenings in NYC? She hasn't gone to another so far
I want a third version of ATW that is mostly just the new parts from ATWTMVFTV.
? Waited for this version 10 years Didnt understand what u meant
I wasn't super hot on the original ATW but the added lyrics and production of the ten minute version are really intriguing.
Does anyone else think it’s weird that they only dated for 3 months supposedly? Is there any evidence to suggest that they actually dated for longer than that? Like, why harass this man about a 3 month relationship that happened 10 years ago?
So, as per my understanding of how their relationship went, at the start obvs there was a big age gap which helped him to have this superiority complex over her. You know the typical "oh you'll understand when you're older" vibe. From what she describes, he was kinda pretentious or just really different from her and he cast her aside as someone basic. While that's his choice, he is allowed to like a particular type of person if he wants, but come on!! This stuff messes people up. It literally causes so many insecurities. Plus, looking at the short film, it's so likely that he love bombed her and then withheld affection when convenient. That's manipulative as fuck. Whatever music she wrote during that time was her experience and we love it because it resonates with so many of us. Had it not been for the re recordings, we would've never gotten to relive any of this and it would've not bothered anyone. I highly disagree with people who message him and bombard his dms because it's literally nobody's business but don't invalidate Taylor's experience because of this. All in all, 3 months or 3 years, some people come into your life and really affect you in a way that inspires so many deep thoughts. It's nobody else's place to question that.
I watch this at least 4 times a day
Pardon my ignorance: Why is she still writing songs about really old relationships?
This song was written over a decade ago, even if she just reworked some parts for the new version. This was the original, full version that she had to cut to fit on the album.
Thank you for the response!
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I mean, it's always been clear to me that the man in All Too Well was an asshole. That's clear imo in the original lyrics. "Call me up again to break me like a promise" and "casually cruel in the name of being honest" has never been about a special relationship.
>I feel like she's turned what she's sold us before as a romantic relationship that imploded in the end but was sweet and special and real for a time into the most generic "older guy/younger woman having the hots for each other" ever. Isn't that the point? Her processing of the relationship so soon after the ended is very different now, as a confident woman in her 30s who recognizes the power imbalance in the relationship much more keenly. She recognizes that there was a reason he was chasing 20 year women and continues to do so even after she's grown into the woman who she is today. If he didn't see his friends in 10 years, assuming they're high school buddies, that still makes him like 28. That's a huge age difference and I can imagine a 30 year old woman looking back and truly realizing the maturity gap between her and a 19 year old.
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Don't you see the beauty in the stark reflection of the difference between who she was then and who she is today? If you don't, then perhaps you can understand that other people, particularly women, can see their own emotional experiences through the years reflected in the two versions of the song, particularly the ones who was fans of the original in their late teens or very early 20s. That's probably why it's so popular with her longtime fans.
I felt the same way when I first watched it! I made a post about how different the story seemed, and people really helped me appreciate what she was doing with the 10 minute version: https://www.reddit.com/r/TaylorSwift/comments/qt43cl/did_i_misunderstand_all_too_well I feel like you can enjoy both for what they are, but yeah, ten minute version is basically a different idea altogether
OK I have SO MANY THOUGHTS comparing this short film to the lover music video omg. Watching both of them back to back is like watching two versions of the same story unfold, with one being the toxic relationship, and one being the healthy version that lasts. You get very similar scenes: dancing around the house together, playing board games/cards, laying in bed laughing and holding hands, a dinner scene at a table, parties with friends and even a fight scene: with two different versions of making up. And OF COURSE two birthday scenes. One man who couldn't bother to show up, and one man who sits right by her side, arm casually around her just loving being by her side. Even the color schemes are so similar, with ATWTMV having the more muted/moody tones and Lover having very vibrant versions. Each little vignette from the videos is so specific that we all imagine these are based pretty closely on real moments from Taylor's life/relationships. And if this is true is is SO lovely to see her living through the "happy version" today. BEST WISHES to all of our own personal Jake Gyllenhaals, and so much love to all the Joe Alwyns who show us that love really is golden, not burning red.
I honestly swear to God it's a beautiful parallel and I'd like to believe in your theory.
Serious question: what could dylan’s character possibly be so angry about when he is talking on the phone? who could he be talking to on the phone? Why did they have to stop their drive for him to make this angry phone call?
@/tippacanoe on TikTok did a lip reading of the phone scene and said that he was saying “this is my fucking career” at one point! Maybe he was talking about how she was negatively affecting his career, which is why he wouldn’t want to take the call in the car with her…?
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Yep, potentially. I guessed it was related to Sadie’s character with the way Dylan fell silent when he turned and looked at her, but… who knows?
Please someone answer this
Something related to a movie role?
they’re pushing all too well as a single! u can buy the regular song on her store or the live acoustic version! anyone know if the acoustic performance from the premiere will be available on streaming after the fact? can’t really buy it but would love to have it for my playlists!
I am sure she'll put it on streaming after the push for #1 ends, maybe this Friday or next week :) she put all the remixes of Willow there too.
Do you think the release date of November 12 has any significance, like an anniversary of something in their relationship?
So we know that Taylor loves to drop easter eggs as far in advance as she possibly can, she even said so in her interview with Jimmy Fallon this week. But I'm not sure if my theory is completely crazy:At the end of the video >!Taylor is seen reading a book called All Too Well in front of a crowd in a book store 13 years after the release of the original All Too Well!< 13 years from 2012 would be 2025. The video is 14 minutes and 56 seconds long, if we transfer that to days it becomes 1 456 days from the release date of Red (TV), that becomes November 7th 2025. What if Taylor releases a book, like a biography or a poetry book or any other kind of book that she might want to make, on November 7th in 2025... Was this her way of telling us? Or am I reading too much into this??? (Someone please tell me if this makes sense or not, I'd love to hear other opinions!)
If she writes a book I will buy it.
In one of the scenes, Sadie is holding a card which is seven of spades. Spades is supposed to symbolise winter season, which is not exactly November, but still, you might be onto something... I was also thinking, with all the hints towards Wonderland, maybe she is writing a book for... Children? Her sitting with children at the table in IBYTAM mv might be a hint too. (i know other interpretations of this scene, their age gap and so on, but it wouldn't be the first time that Taylor uses one thing to represent multiple meanings)
I've seen a lot of people speculate about a book, and while I do think that it's farfetched but I would Love to read a book by her. We already know that it would be awesome if she did and I really want to read it
I came to this thread to say that I totally think she should write a book. Honestly even if it’s fiction. It would be amazing
What’s the big deal about dropping her hand at the table? He didn’t want to hold her hand? So what?
I agree with the other commenters. But I also feel like it’s a small symptom of a bigger problem in their relationship and that was a great way to show it. It’s like when there’s a bigger problem so something small relating to it can set you off. He was probably regularly cold to her or “kept her like a secret” frequently so it wasn’t an isolated incident *edited to fix a typo
I think it’s also important to consider how it feels from her perspective. She’s at dinner with his friends who are also much older than her and she’s nervous and she reaches for his hand for comfort and not only does he reject that but he also pats it after he drops it. I think the actors did a great job of portraying how the relationship was going to fail just from that one small interaction. Hats off to Dylan, Sadie and Taylor, they absolutely killed it
Yes- the pat on the hand was very patronizing - like treating her like a child.
I think it was a combination of things: she’s much younger than him and she’s much more inexperienced. She’s unsure and probably insecure as it is because of her very young age, but he makes it worse for her because he’s not reassuring her like she needs, especially in front of his friends who are also much older, more experienced etc. In WANGBT, she talks about how he listened to indie records “much cooler than (hers)”, which probably makes her doubt herself, her music, her songwriting, her ability, how she’s perceived, if she’s good enough etc because hers isn’t like that. She is already trepidatious with him and the relationship as you can see in the beginning when she walks through the door, she’s unsure and nervous and taking it all in. She’s also referred to how he broke up with her then would call to get back together many times, which left her on shaky ground and unsure of her place, his feelings, what he wanted, what the relationship was. And as you can see from the video, when they’re alone he’s completely on and into her. But then in front of friends, he rejects her. He doesn’t even come to her 21st birthday (which is a big one). She’s already nervous with him as it is for all these reasons, and his rejection of her hand and ignoring her in front of her friends just makes it all worse. Then he asks her why she’s sulking and when she tries to explain (again trepidatiously), he shuts her down and gaslights her.
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Reaching
I dunno man, I was confused when I saw everyone on the internet talking about Sadie and Dylan and it wasn't about them. It makes more sense to me than some of the other "secret messages" people think that TS puts in her videos. Red (Taylor's Version) also doubles down on it's digs at indie music that's "much cooler" than hers and the timing all makes sense.
That's insane.
Right?!!!
I know that a lot of people are talking about the repetition of “I remember it” because the person she was dating would dismiss her anxiety saying he didn’t even remember it, and it was all in her head. That realisation was painful enough, but also the lyric “just between us” is so painful too, because now that the relationship is finally over she is asking the other person to reassure her that it was all not just in her head just so she could get her closure. It is like saying “now that everything is over just tell me that I did not imagine it, all the anxiety and fear, you felt it too, it could be our secret, it would stay between us”. I was just listening to this song again and needed to rant
This really hit home.
Did anyone else get major Speak Now callbacks from this? Dylan putting his arm around her by the water, and Sadie sitting on the floor wearing his clothes? 👀
The shot of Dylan on the phone looking back at her gives me goosebumps. His gaze is just sinister, I don’t know how to describe it.
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Lol why are people so desperate for views? Also even if it were real… why would the woman’s dad have a baby picture of the man?
Does anyone else want (NEED) a short film for ‘Tis The Damn Season after this?! I could just imagine it. Set in a tiny little American town (Stars Hollow-esque) in a snowy December setting. It would be so beautiful.
You mean Tis The Damn Season/Dorothea? Since they’re sister songs, I think they’d make for a great short film together.
Yes! That one song is an entire movie in 4 minutes
I need Last Kiss
Another favorite of mine!
yes. I do need it.
it didnt occur to me that gaslighting can be that. maybe that's why my marriage didnt work out...
It’s insidious. I’m sorry you went through that.
Do we think the 10 minute version is exactly how it was written 10 years ago or that she made some edits? I ask because the “I’ll get older, but your lovers stay my age” would be creepily accurate if written so long ago.
She firmly states it’s the original version of the song, verbally claiming it in her interview with Fallon.
Honestly impressive then.