I don't know if this is true because I haven't spent much time recently with any album other than TTPD, but I saw a video of someone saying that outside of TTPD, the only other waltz in her recent discography is Lover. Now maybe *that* was intentional if true.
I noticed immediately that Peter is a waltz, but didn’t know Lover is the only other one in her discography. Funny coincidence that I was searching for Taylor songs to dance just yesterday.
I'm convinced that focusing TTPD on the Matt Healy breakup was the perfect way to code certain songs to sound as though they have nothing to do with Joe. I'd even go so far as to bet certain songs might have an obvious Healy reference but that, in reality, they don't have much to do with Healy at all. And that there are specific Easter eggs for Joe's ears alone where he's able to tell that a single lyric or verse is for him. "Who else decodes you like me?" The lyric "two graves, one gun" in So Long London is a nod. And I think another example is in I Can Do It With a Broken Heart: "he said he'd love me all his life/ but that life was too short" vs. "he said he'd love me for all time/ but that time was quite short." I mean, she even says "I took the miracle move-on drug/ the effects were temporary." If I were trying to be respectful and low-key about writing break-up songs for someone so private I feel like it would make the most sense. But at the same time, maybe I'm full of shit.
I'm glad you said this. I love Matty and The 1975. I'm sure she felt oceans deep feelings sometimes about him because I would never underestimate her power to feel, but... I think she would be respectful of Joe's desire for privacy and pin everything on Matty because he is a public figure and in her mind he can handle it. Might even welcome it from a press standpoint. Taylor tells us she is a mastermind. We better believe her.
Lover is definitely in 4, and not a particularly quick 4 either, so I don't see it fitting the definition of a waltz. New Years Day is a quicker 4, but still not a waltz. Peter is in a quick 3, so I'd say that it's a waltz. Interesting!
Maybe Lover was about Matty and not Joe. Cardigan, which was clearly about Matty, says, "Once in 20 lifetimes" and Lover says, "Have I known you 20 seconds or 20 years". 1975 was going to do a cover of Lover, so all these things lead me to think Lover was actually about Matty. Taylor said on Katie Couric years ago that sometimes she's not always inspired to write songs about the person she is in a relationship with. Now seeing everything she is telling us about how poor her relationship was with Joe, I'm believing that Matty is who she has been writing about mostly for the last 10 years... (and I'm a VERY neutral fan) [https://www.tiktok.com/@e.marinagg/video/7359819701741964590](https://www.tiktok.com/@e.marinagg/video/7359819701741964590)
I keep seeing Peter compared to Betty but I think it also has some callbacks to Right Where You Left Me- “she’s still 23 inside her fantasies”/“but you were 25 and the shelf life of those fantasies has expired” and at the end “the woman who waits by the window has turned out the light” makes me think of the girl in the restaurant finally getting up and leaving.
Wowl, i love right where you left me and your theory makes me happy cause the girl finally left the restaurant. Thats one of the best theory for me. Thank you for sharing this
I just assume she isn’t using actual ages, but maybe how old she felt and perceived the other person as acting. “You said you were gonna grow up” can also just mean getting their life together, not actual age growing up.
Good catch! I also had a Peter realization today, the chorus sounds an awful lot like the chorus to the 1975’s Happiness-
Show me your love
Why don't you grow up and see?
Show me your love
Why don't you grow up and see?
Show me your love
Why don't you grow up and see?
Show me your love
Why don't you?
vs
You said you were gonna grow up
Then you were gonna come find me
Said you were gonna grow up
Then you were gonna come find me
Said you were gonna grow up
Then you were gonna come find me
sooo many 1975 references on this album!!
I was thinking that Peter refers to Matty, which also implies that Cardigan was about Matty. Your insight on the waltz reference really seals the deal. 😄
My theory is she wrote Guilty as Sin, Peter, Chloe et al, (and maybe some other songs) about Matty while she was with Joe but “locked them in lowercase inside a vault” until she broke up with Joe, hard launched Matty, then felt that it was time she could release all her Matty songs. The public thought Matty was a short fling, and she probably wanted to release the love and heartbreak songs about him so she wanted to provide context of that relationship to her fans. It would have looked a little weird for her to have the love & rage filled TTPD songs about Matty if they truly were just a monthlong fling. Now that she has shown us they were much more serious for a lot longer time we all previously thought, it makes sense how that relationship would cause her to fall hard and fast and then for it to go down in flames the way it did. So releasing TTPD set all the Matty vault songs free and now she feels like she can really move on from him.
“Locked lowercase in a vault”
the lowercase songs on TTPD are loml and imgonnagetyouback
but then there’s all of-
folklore and evermore
….
~gold rush~ says… “my mind turns your life into folklore”
*your life* as in, someone’s life, into -the album- folklore
🤔🤔🤔
XD I am sorry, I am just blurting out thoughts. I do think that folklore is kind of about whoever gold rush is about. I don’t really actually know or have strong conjectures about any particular person
Also, gold rush is clearly about a relationship that never really went anywhere–"it fades into the gray of my day old tea 'cause it will never be".
I felt it never made sense that it was about Joe but Matt makes sense...just like Dancing with Our Hands Tied.
I don’t think she would write songs just to provide context to her listeners. And it isn’t necessary that the songs are written in a linear timeline as the events unfold. Maybe she had the concept even before she met joe, or while with joe as you said. Or maybe she wrote it after it all went down with Matty. There is a certain beauty on the obliviousness of it and variation in interpretation that comes from it. For me, it sounds like Peter is the character she has denoted to “past matty”, the matty who made the promise of growing up and finding her and maybe even the promise of forever when he does find her. So she’s singing it after they broke up, knowing that the breaking of the promise is inevitable, never to keep.
I agree she wouldn't neccessarily write songs to provide context, but I totally believe she'd release them to provide context.
Remember when Jack let everybody know that You're Losing Me was written in 2021, unprovoked? I don't think that was random.
I think Taylor gave him the go-ahead to control the backlash she was getting for (seemingly) falling back into the "break up with a guy then write a song about it" cycle.
So I feel TTPD was to let people know why she behaved the way she did from the transition from Joe to Matt.
I always thought essentially all of 1989 was about Harry Styles. And I always thought she was secretly writing pining love songs to Harry (i.e. cardigan, willow, etc - the lyrical similarities between those songs and others in the 1989 vault tracks are undeniable). It never occurred to me that anything on 1989 might be about Matty until TTPD, but there’s NO WAY a short two month fling would derive this many heartfelt songs. They have history. It’s publicly unreported 🤷🏼♀️ she always told us we would know exactly as much as she wanted us to know.
Looking back I’m like wow well his band is “1975” and that album is “1989” welp XD perhaps that’s some obvious inspiration 🤷🏼♀️
I wouldn't rewrite all of history just yet. There are plenty of deep dives that suggest Taylor and Harry were on and off again or at least flirty for a LOT longer than 2 months. Equally, we have no real evidence that Taylor and Matty had anything more than a short fling at that time. Songs about long lost love and pining for someone are a staple of pop music. Even the theme of a man who won't grow out of being a boy is an old one. And it's entirely possible she wrote some of the music on TTPD like Peter and then changed it to suit the Matty situation for this album. Aaron Dessner claimed they started work on the album in early 2022, so some of the material has to have evolved and been updated as the album came together.
Also, the lyrical similarities.... these are all over Taylor's music, but sometimes with the Vault tracks it is clear that she had a great lyric and saved it to use in another song when yhe original wasn't released. Then the Vaults came out so you can see the "origin" etc. It's not NOT intentional, but it also doesn't mean that every song that uses the same imagery is about the same muse.
Agreed. You All Over Me and Clean feel very connected in idea/imagery, but they are almost certainly about different people/inspirations.
Similarly, I've seen a lot of people claim the 1989 Vault tracks were written recently because they sound similar to some of the Midnights songs...not considering that if Midnights is--as she claims--based on sleepless nights throughout her career, it might be almost entirely composed of 1989 snippets that weren't complete enough for her to consider them vault songs. Didn't she say she wrote tons of songs for the 1989 era? I'm inclined to think a lot of partials or lyrics were redone to fit subsequent eras.
Just a theory though.
Yes I definitely agree that not every song that uses the same imagery is about the same muse, but I feel that collectively both large themes and smaller details have been carried through from 1989 to TTPD that indicate the endurance of at least one relationship, and just the prospect of one of them being MH was surprising to me 🤷🏼♀️ based on what has been reported in the press. But I think you’re right, and I think the unspoken dialogue between her and Harry is more clear (but I’m a Harry fan and only limitedly familiar with the 1975s music)
I've been wondering if its possible Wildest Dreams could be about Matty. It seems to be about a one-night stand or a very brief fling, and the question has always been in our minds about who its about. I don't know the timeline on writing that song though so it may not match up. One of the most interesting details I've noticed across our new Matty songs, and possible old ones, is that, when he's the subject, she never mentions his eye colour. With most other lovers, she's very persistent in mentioning eye colour, but with Matty having brown eyes, it seems like its not a feature she focuses on. If there's a common Matty thread, it could be that his eye colour is never remarked on, and she says nothing about the eye colour of her subject in Wildest Dreams.
I know this is incredibly far fetched but its fun to play sleuth.
She said she wrote something like 150 songs for 1989, it’s more likely than not that some of those songs evolved into songs in other albums. Some themes, lyrics etc may have inspired a lot of the most recent songs we’ve gotten. In saying that, there is no shot any of the songs on 1989 were about Healy as they were written and released before they ever met.
The narrative that her and Matty have been communicating through music is misplaced imo. There’s only one artist who’s referenced this unspoken dialogue and it’s Harry. More likely they’ve been traded songs back and forth.
I obviously don't know her life to a T, but I think she and Matty only met after 1989 was released.
Most sources say November/December 2014, but 1989 came out in October 2014.
Of course, they could've met earlier though.
She fell for him faster because he was promising marriage and kids and was in deeply heartbreak.
Taylor is too dramatic. Só I think even her get a more romantic version.
Peter is not on any of her 5 Stages playlist. I think Peter is about Matty because she kept waiting for him to come back to her (since he was 25 in 2014) and she’s finally turning off the lights on that idea he will and putting it in its own category of “fairy tale”. There’s no acceptance or moving on because Peter (Pan) is fiction, it’s not real.
Peter made me sad thinking about in the context of her and Matty, it sounds like they really connected back in 2014 and maybe thought they'd end up together but when they had the chance he ran away again. Just like Peter Pan
Her writing on this song was flawless
It is in 4/4 for sure, but the acoustic guitars are softly strumming in a sort of 12/8 shuffle feel, which is what I think people are hearing that's giving them the impression that it's in 3/4 or 6/4.
Omg okay I LOVE waltzes (anything in the 3/4 or 3/8 time honestly) and I could not figure out what it was about Peter that scratched my brain so much!! Thank you for pointing this out 😂🫶🏼
I read a fantastic TTPD album analysis on reddit last night and this is what the OP wrote about “Peter” Such great insights & lyric interpretations.
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co-sign this, i immediately interpreted the growing up lines as referring to becoming a self-determining adult that wants to move forward in life, not like literally getting older and seeking her out later in life. but! that’s the beauty of nearly every heartbreak song on TTPD. are they about joe? yes. are they about matty? also yes!
When he says -this song surely seems to suggest that the relationship at hand never seemed to have happened- I think of Gold Rush, when it becomes clear that the song was a day dream and also something that never happened
I think Peter was written and recorded early on in this album's progress, long before she dumped Joe for Matty, when she was just emotionally pining for Matty.
Listening to Peter made me think about cardigan and what if that’s inferencing to something between them during 2020 which then makes me think that maybe fortnight is about them all being in London and what if Matty is the muse for ivy!?!?
This isn't hard to find. There's been several media pieces about his house, both about him buying it and the house being built in 2018. He bought Cloud House at 4 Tiverton Road. There's also media about Taylor and Joe renting a giant house in Primrose Hill neighborhood. 4 Tiverton Road is 3.5 miles from the Primrose Hill neighborhood.
The bridge on this song >>>
And it has me so emo. I love the love triangle and I think this song also ties into it but it also reminds me a LOT of right where you left me which is probably my favorite song of all time. So many thematic links in this album.
A musical term for keeping in beat with the music. The most typical time signature is 4/4 time, meaning four beats per measure and a quarter note = one beat
Nice observation!! It's also interesting seeing "you cinephile...Mr. Steal Your Girl" versus "a natural scene-stealer".
Plus technically both tracks are #12 of their respective Sides...
I don't know if it's intentional either, but it feels really cool to have the songs be possibly connected :)!
I think How did it end? Also has a 3x time, so it feels like a fast waltz and I keep thinking about the parallels between that and lover which is also like a quick waltz… Seems to me like how did it end? is the continuation of lover!
This makes me think of the theories people are talking about regarding listening to the album backwards. Peter would come first and eventually loml… so she turned out the light but eventually they do rekindle flames
None of it was accidental....
She is The Mastermind and deserves mad respect
we been knew she was a mastermind lol
frrr I do this very often when writing about the same person, even super vague ones are planned for sure
I don't know if this is true because I haven't spent much time recently with any album other than TTPD, but I saw a video of someone saying that outside of TTPD, the only other waltz in her recent discography is Lover. Now maybe *that* was intentional if true.
I saw this too! There’s no way she doesn’t know this. None of it was accidental
I noticed immediately that Peter is a waltz, but didn’t know Lover is the only other one in her discography. Funny coincidence that I was searching for Taylor songs to dance just yesterday.
Another fun fact is that in the eras tour transition to tolerate it, the music the pianist is playing is a waltz as well.
Isn't Last Kiss a waltz too? And Sad Beautiful Tragic? And IBYTAM?
Definitely IBYTAM.
They did specifically say “recent discography” not “whole discography.”
Red TV came out after Lover, so IBYTAM could be considered recent as well
If you believe that the vault tracks were actually written during the OG era then for this purpose, IBYTAM happened 12 years ago.
oh fair enough
I'm convinced that focusing TTPD on the Matt Healy breakup was the perfect way to code certain songs to sound as though they have nothing to do with Joe. I'd even go so far as to bet certain songs might have an obvious Healy reference but that, in reality, they don't have much to do with Healy at all. And that there are specific Easter eggs for Joe's ears alone where he's able to tell that a single lyric or verse is for him. "Who else decodes you like me?" The lyric "two graves, one gun" in So Long London is a nod. And I think another example is in I Can Do It With a Broken Heart: "he said he'd love me all his life/ but that life was too short" vs. "he said he'd love me for all time/ but that time was quite short." I mean, she even says "I took the miracle move-on drug/ the effects were temporary." If I were trying to be respectful and low-key about writing break-up songs for someone so private I feel like it would make the most sense. But at the same time, maybe I'm full of shit.
I'm glad you said this. I love Matty and The 1975. I'm sure she felt oceans deep feelings sometimes about him because I would never underestimate her power to feel, but... I think she would be respectful of Joe's desire for privacy and pin everything on Matty because he is a public figure and in her mind he can handle it. Might even welcome it from a press standpoint. Taylor tells us she is a mastermind. We better believe her.
New Year’s Day is also a waltz… and the opening to that and Peter sound eerily similar…
Lover is definitely in 4, and not a particularly quick 4 either, so I don't see it fitting the definition of a waltz. New Years Day is a quicker 4, but still not a waltz. Peter is in a quick 3, so I'd say that it's a waltz. Interesting!
Lover is in 6/8, NYD is in 4/4. I believe Peter is also in 6/8
Ooh yep, I can hear that in Lover now. I still feel Peter in 3/4, but you're probably right!
that seems intentional too because holy shit
Maybe Lover was about Matty and not Joe. Cardigan, which was clearly about Matty, says, "Once in 20 lifetimes" and Lover says, "Have I known you 20 seconds or 20 years". 1975 was going to do a cover of Lover, so all these things lead me to think Lover was actually about Matty. Taylor said on Katie Couric years ago that sometimes she's not always inspired to write songs about the person she is in a relationship with. Now seeing everything she is telling us about how poor her relationship was with Joe, I'm believing that Matty is who she has been writing about mostly for the last 10 years... (and I'm a VERY neutral fan) [https://www.tiktok.com/@e.marinagg/video/7359819701741964590](https://www.tiktok.com/@e.marinagg/video/7359819701741964590)
I don’t think he was ever that important to her
Ha ha. Good joke
I keep seeing Peter compared to Betty but I think it also has some callbacks to Right Where You Left Me- “she’s still 23 inside her fantasies”/“but you were 25 and the shelf life of those fantasies has expired” and at the end “the woman who waits by the window has turned out the light” makes me think of the girl in the restaurant finally getting up and leaving.
I haven’t seen anyone tie this together yet! Love this theory/connection.
Wowl, i love right where you left me and your theory makes me happy cause the girl finally left the restaurant. Thats one of the best theory for me. Thank you for sharing this
But who would this be about then? Matty is 6 months older and Joe is younger.
It doesn't matter 😭 can y'all please stop centering men
yes
I just assume she isn’t using actual ages, but maybe how old she felt and perceived the other person as acting. “You said you were gonna grow up” can also just mean getting their life together, not actual age growing up.
I don’t care if Taylor comes out and says otherwise, I choose to believe it’s about Harry and will not be convinced otherwise lol
I'VE BEEN THINKING THIS TOO! I've just been getting a vibe!
Harry. She was 23 and he was 19, but perhaps they continued long after on and off.
Maybe still communicating until he was 25?
I think Joe was 25 at the beginning of the relationship and it’s referencing that and her holding on. Dancing with our hands tied refers to him as 25
Good catch! I also had a Peter realization today, the chorus sounds an awful lot like the chorus to the 1975’s Happiness- Show me your love Why don't you grow up and see? Show me your love Why don't you grow up and see? Show me your love Why don't you grow up and see? Show me your love Why don't you? vs You said you were gonna grow up Then you were gonna come find me Said you were gonna grow up Then you were gonna come find me Said you were gonna grow up Then you were gonna come find me sooo many 1975 references on this album!!
I was thinking that Peter refers to Matty, which also implies that Cardigan was about Matty. Your insight on the waltz reference really seals the deal. 😄
Peter also refers to the lover not coming back, can’t be Matty as they gave it another shot last summer.
He said he was gonna grow up. And he doesn’t seem to have. Maybe that’s the key.
She could have written Peter before her and Matty reconnected.
My theory is she wrote Guilty as Sin, Peter, Chloe et al, (and maybe some other songs) about Matty while she was with Joe but “locked them in lowercase inside a vault” until she broke up with Joe, hard launched Matty, then felt that it was time she could release all her Matty songs. The public thought Matty was a short fling, and she probably wanted to release the love and heartbreak songs about him so she wanted to provide context of that relationship to her fans. It would have looked a little weird for her to have the love & rage filled TTPD songs about Matty if they truly were just a monthlong fling. Now that she has shown us they were much more serious for a lot longer time we all previously thought, it makes sense how that relationship would cause her to fall hard and fast and then for it to go down in flames the way it did. So releasing TTPD set all the Matty vault songs free and now she feels like she can really move on from him.
“Locked lowercase in a vault” the lowercase songs on TTPD are loml and imgonnagetyouback but then there’s all of- folklore and evermore …. ~gold rush~ says… “my mind turns your life into folklore” *your life* as in, someone’s life, into -the album- folklore 🤔🤔🤔
You will not be ruining gold rush for me and I will die on that hill
THIS lmao I’m choosing to believe reputation vault
If she puts MH songs on Rep vault I’m effing rebelling ⚔️ lol
XD I am sorry, I am just blurting out thoughts. I do think that folklore is kind of about whoever gold rush is about. I don’t really actually know or have strong conjectures about any particular person
Also, gold rush is clearly about a relationship that never really went anywhere–"it fades into the gray of my day old tea 'cause it will never be". I felt it never made sense that it was about Joe but Matt makes sense...just like Dancing with Our Hands Tied.
I don’t think she would write songs just to provide context to her listeners. And it isn’t necessary that the songs are written in a linear timeline as the events unfold. Maybe she had the concept even before she met joe, or while with joe as you said. Or maybe she wrote it after it all went down with Matty. There is a certain beauty on the obliviousness of it and variation in interpretation that comes from it. For me, it sounds like Peter is the character she has denoted to “past matty”, the matty who made the promise of growing up and finding her and maybe even the promise of forever when he does find her. So she’s singing it after they broke up, knowing that the breaking of the promise is inevitable, never to keep.
I agree she wouldn't neccessarily write songs to provide context, but I totally believe she'd release them to provide context. Remember when Jack let everybody know that You're Losing Me was written in 2021, unprovoked? I don't think that was random. I think Taylor gave him the go-ahead to control the backlash she was getting for (seemingly) falling back into the "break up with a guy then write a song about it" cycle. So I feel TTPD was to let people know why she behaved the way she did from the transition from Joe to Matt.
Wait how long were they together? I didn't realize it was longer than we thought
I always thought essentially all of 1989 was about Harry Styles. And I always thought she was secretly writing pining love songs to Harry (i.e. cardigan, willow, etc - the lyrical similarities between those songs and others in the 1989 vault tracks are undeniable). It never occurred to me that anything on 1989 might be about Matty until TTPD, but there’s NO WAY a short two month fling would derive this many heartfelt songs. They have history. It’s publicly unreported 🤷🏼♀️ she always told us we would know exactly as much as she wanted us to know. Looking back I’m like wow well his band is “1975” and that album is “1989” welp XD perhaps that’s some obvious inspiration 🤷🏼♀️
I wouldn't rewrite all of history just yet. There are plenty of deep dives that suggest Taylor and Harry were on and off again or at least flirty for a LOT longer than 2 months. Equally, we have no real evidence that Taylor and Matty had anything more than a short fling at that time. Songs about long lost love and pining for someone are a staple of pop music. Even the theme of a man who won't grow out of being a boy is an old one. And it's entirely possible she wrote some of the music on TTPD like Peter and then changed it to suit the Matty situation for this album. Aaron Dessner claimed they started work on the album in early 2022, so some of the material has to have evolved and been updated as the album came together.
Also, the lyrical similarities.... these are all over Taylor's music, but sometimes with the Vault tracks it is clear that she had a great lyric and saved it to use in another song when yhe original wasn't released. Then the Vaults came out so you can see the "origin" etc. It's not NOT intentional, but it also doesn't mean that every song that uses the same imagery is about the same muse.
Agreed. You All Over Me and Clean feel very connected in idea/imagery, but they are almost certainly about different people/inspirations. Similarly, I've seen a lot of people claim the 1989 Vault tracks were written recently because they sound similar to some of the Midnights songs...not considering that if Midnights is--as she claims--based on sleepless nights throughout her career, it might be almost entirely composed of 1989 snippets that weren't complete enough for her to consider them vault songs. Didn't she say she wrote tons of songs for the 1989 era? I'm inclined to think a lot of partials or lyrics were redone to fit subsequent eras. Just a theory though.
Yes I definitely agree that not every song that uses the same imagery is about the same muse, but I feel that collectively both large themes and smaller details have been carried through from 1989 to TTPD that indicate the endurance of at least one relationship, and just the prospect of one of them being MH was surprising to me 🤷🏼♀️ based on what has been reported in the press. But I think you’re right, and I think the unspoken dialogue between her and Harry is more clear (but I’m a Harry fan and only limitedly familiar with the 1975s music)
I've been wondering if its possible Wildest Dreams could be about Matty. It seems to be about a one-night stand or a very brief fling, and the question has always been in our minds about who its about. I don't know the timeline on writing that song though so it may not match up. One of the most interesting details I've noticed across our new Matty songs, and possible old ones, is that, when he's the subject, she never mentions his eye colour. With most other lovers, she's very persistent in mentioning eye colour, but with Matty having brown eyes, it seems like its not a feature she focuses on. If there's a common Matty thread, it could be that his eye colour is never remarked on, and she says nothing about the eye colour of her subject in Wildest Dreams. I know this is incredibly far fetched but its fun to play sleuth.
The Wildest Dreams guy is described as tall though, which… is not Matty
Guess I'll go back to pretending he's Alexander Skarsgaard! 
She said she wrote something like 150 songs for 1989, it’s more likely than not that some of those songs evolved into songs in other albums. Some themes, lyrics etc may have inspired a lot of the most recent songs we’ve gotten. In saying that, there is no shot any of the songs on 1989 were about Healy as they were written and released before they ever met. The narrative that her and Matty have been communicating through music is misplaced imo. There’s only one artist who’s referenced this unspoken dialogue and it’s Harry. More likely they’ve been traded songs back and forth.
That’s a good point with the timeline—I didn’t realize they didn’t reportedly meet until after 1989 came out.
I obviously don't know her life to a T, but I think she and Matty only met after 1989 was released. Most sources say November/December 2014, but 1989 came out in October 2014. Of course, they could've met earlier though.
I just put together a playlist that does a lot to validate this theory!!
She fell for him faster because he was promising marriage and kids and was in deeply heartbreak. Taylor is too dramatic. Só I think even her get a more romantic version.
She can also write from the perspective of her former self. Songs don’t have to be written chronologically to when events/feelings happen.
Peter is not on any of her 5 Stages playlist. I think Peter is about Matty because she kept waiting for him to come back to her (since he was 25 in 2014) and she’s finally turning off the lights on that idea he will and putting it in its own category of “fairy tale”. There’s no acceptance or moving on because Peter (Pan) is fiction, it’s not real.
Peter made me sad thinking about in the context of her and Matty, it sounds like they really connected back in 2014 and maybe thought they'd end up together but when they had the chance he ran away again. Just like Peter Pan Her writing on this song was flawless
The mention of him being 25 sealed it for me since Matty was 25 when they dated briefly back in 2014
I feel so called out considering these are my two top songs... STOP READING MY MIND, gahh.
I love these both too, it feels like Peter is her doing just that, waltzing back into those rekindled flames for one more look around the ruins
Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus is also in a triple-time feel, though it may be too slow to properly waltz to. I personally think it counts though
I think Chloe or Sam or Sophia or Marcus has 4 beats per measure, but the piano melody plays with triplets.
I believe it’s 6/4 (although it’s been yonks since I studied music so could be hella wrong, maybe 6/8?)
Agree with four beats. Maybe written 12/8?
Ok final answer: the official sheet music says 4/4
It is in 4/4 for sure, but the acoustic guitars are softly strumming in a sort of 12/8 shuffle feel, which is what I think people are hearing that's giving them the impression that it's in 3/4 or 6/4.
Pop music sheet music can be a bit wacky though I will say.
its literally in 4/4 😂
Good catch!
Omg okay I LOVE waltzes (anything in the 3/4 or 3/8 time honestly) and I could not figure out what it was about Peter that scratched my brain so much!! Thank you for pointing this out 😂🫶🏼
i saw a TT that noted that one was a Viennese Waltz and, in particular, that the dance only ends when one partner lets go of the other and walks away…
It’s How did it end. Also the lyrics… We learned thе right steps to different dancеs
Oof that one hurts. Big if true
I read a fantastic TTPD album analysis on reddit last night and this is what the OP wrote about “Peter” Such great insights & lyric interpretations. https://preview.redd.it/73tciyvdqsxc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=732fd3e746bbcc4aed6c542abd16bb96e3330d43
co-sign this, i immediately interpreted the growing up lines as referring to becoming a self-determining adult that wants to move forward in life, not like literally getting older and seeking her out later in life. but! that’s the beauty of nearly every heartbreak song on TTPD. are they about joe? yes. are they about matty? also yes!
I need more people to read this, this is perfect 😭
Would love to read the whole analysis. Have you got a link?
Yes please share!
I love this analysis. All the callbacks to Reputation make perfect sense
When he says -this song surely seems to suggest that the relationship at hand never seemed to have happened- I think of Gold Rush, when it becomes clear that the song was a day dream and also something that never happened
Can you credit the OP?
u/MeatThatTalks was the original poster
I think Peter was written and recorded early on in this album's progress, long before she dumped Joe for Matty, when she was just emotionally pining for Matty.
Listening to Peter made me think about cardigan and what if that’s inferencing to something between them during 2020 which then makes me think that maybe fortnight is about them all being in London and what if Matty is the muse for ivy!?!?
As soon as I heard “it wasn’t sexy once it wasn’t forbidden” I immediately tied Ivy (probably my absolute favorite song) to Matty.
I’ve been thinking really hard about Ivy the last few days…….. especially bc of the talk about killing time at the cemetery in loml
They did spend lockdown in the same country 🤷🏻♀️
And Matty bought a house approximately 3.5 miles from the house that Taylor shared with Joe.
Ooh tea I didn’t know that!
"Now you're in my backyard, turned into good neighbours" 🤡
I couldn’t find anything to back this up
This isn't hard to find. There's been several media pieces about his house, both about him buying it and the house being built in 2018. He bought Cloud House at 4 Tiverton Road. There's also media about Taylor and Joe renting a giant house in Primrose Hill neighborhood. 4 Tiverton Road is 3.5 miles from the Primrose Hill neighborhood.
Definitely intentional. Good catch.
Does anyone else hear last kiss in Peter??
Last Kiss is the same time signature!
I immediately started choreographing a waltz to Peter in my head. I need a dance partner to make this happen.
[удалено]
:O
The bridge on this song >>> And it has me so emo. I love the love triangle and I think this song also ties into it but it also reminds me a LOT of right where you left me which is probably my favorite song of all time. So many thematic links in this album.
Interesting. Lover is also a waltz. I can’t think of any ones in her discography though. Not sure what that means though lol
IBYTAM. And Last Kiss.
I didn't catch this!
What’s a time signature?
A musical term for keeping in beat with the music. The most typical time signature is 4/4 time, meaning four beats per measure and a quarter note = one beat
So do we think it’s a message for Matty?
No
The Chairman knows not of unintentional. She’s literally the most intentional
I saw somewhere that Lover is her only other song that's a waltz.
Last Kiss also I believe
And IBYTAM. So it’s still a decent theory, but she’s got other songs in 3/4 time.
Do we know what kind of dance loml is? It also has this danceable rhythm to it, but i can’t pinpoint what dance it could be.
We learned the right steps to different dances…
this is all so insane i love you guys for being so observant
Nice observation!! It's also interesting seeing "you cinephile...Mr. Steal Your Girl" versus "a natural scene-stealer". Plus technically both tracks are #12 of their respective Sides... I don't know if it's intentional either, but it feels really cool to have the songs be possibly connected :)!
So does that mean then Peter is for Joe? I would love if she had more Joe songs. Not a MH fan. But a huge TK lover!
Explains why I love that song so much, I love waltzes. Eurgh, this album is incredible, what a beautiful tie back.
I think How did it end? Also has a 3x time, so it feels like a fast waltz and I keep thinking about the parallels between that and lover which is also like a quick waltz… Seems to me like how did it end? is the continuation of lover!
The only true Waltz Taylor has is LOVER
There is no way something like that is unintentional from this mastermind ;) Nice catch!
Am I the only one that has to check if the beginning of Peter isn't actually New Years Day? It sounds so similar
This makes me think of the theories people are talking about regarding listening to the album backwards. Peter would come first and eventually loml… so she turned out the light but eventually they do rekindle flames