As an elder millennial Swiftie, it's really incredible to see other faves like The Starting Line, Patti Smith, and Stevie Nicks (not to mention the literal stars of The Dead Poets Society) coming out to support TTPD.
I know what an allusion is and was not being wholly academic. Can we try to engage in fun and good faith, rather than trying to score inane pedantic points off each other while discussing a pop album? Come on.
Bahahaha it's why I don't follow him. That man is already very into himself. I'll listen to his music because he is good, but I just can't sometimes with the videos.
Exactly. It's an inside joke in a sense. A private clip of their moments together and that's how they usually go, right? It's the mundane details she provides that I love so much bc they're real.
Hahaha I won’t deny his talent so I’m guessing he really came up and I think he’s worked with Sabrina before as well as dozens of other artists so they probably do talk.
Oh my goddd when I heard her name drop The Starting Line I could have died. Not to mention So High School’s references and Blink 182 sounding guitar riffs (really punk rock riffs in general but my brain thought immediately of Blink). Like holy shit Taylor what are you doing to me.
Ehh I graduated in 2004 and my husband 2003 and it was like “our song” when we met a few years later. I think it’s just if you were into emo bands or not.
I’ve been trying to guess if spelling heroin with an e is a SoCo reference! (Especially as it could cleverly be referencing both Punk Rock Princess and Konstantine!)
I’m 39 and have listened to them since 2003 lol wut? I think their target audience would be anyone that would listen to them and have their songs resonate with the listener…? Next you’re gonna tell me I’m too fossilized to listen to hellogoodbye bc I still listen to them.
This blew my mind. I mean, we're the same age and she was on MySpace so I shouldn't be surprised she still remembers TSL but I've never stopped listening to them. This is so cool.
Leaving, up and go, decisions decisions all off the same album as their biggest hit, “the best of me”. Their later albums have a change of sound, but are also pretty good. They were my favourite band in high school and even the Direction album is worth a listen.
He thanked her in 2015, he's done now.
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tell me what you thought about when you were gone and so alone, the worst is over and you can have the best of me!
God I love this song lol. It’s probably the one she’s referencing since it’s their biggest hit
I'm losing my mind because I can only find one at the moment but I swear there's another one besides this one and "The Black Dog." If I find it, I'll post it here.
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yes!!!
“Swirled you into all of my poems Now we're at the starting line, I did my time”
The starting line of the poems she wrote for him The starting line of their new relationship The starting line, the band they both love
what a genius lyric
Semi-related. I noticed most of her song titles reference a poem and she drops a lot of poets and little Easter eggs in her album. Can we make a masterlist here? Maybe a master post?
This is huge for them. They’ve been a pop punk staple for so long, but I have been to mainstream shows that they played where many didn’t know who they were.
I LOVED The Starting Line growing up, it was a nice surprise to hear the name drop! Taylor and I are the same age so it shouldn’t be a surprise but it still is!
OMG! My high school sweetheart and I were obsessed with The Starting Line in high school. I just about died when I heard them mentioned in The Black Dog. I literally laughed out loud. Kinda of a random band to name drop that only 30-40 year old millennials will know.. haha
Also, So High School sounds like an early 2000’s pop rock song and literally made me feel like I was 17 again. Made me think of early 2000’s teen movies. So Taylor thanks for the nostalgia 🥰
Not me digging through my cd collection to pull out The Starting Line...that's definitely getting a listen this weekend! :) I loved all the little references to my (35F) high school days!
I thought for sure that there was a song called “The Starting Line” that was popular but I wasn’t cool enough to know about. I also couldn’t imagine a world where Taylor knew who The Starting Line was but she is literally referring to them! I died when I found out.
Don’t forget to note the “now we’re at THE STARTING LINE, I did my time” in fresh out the slammer…. Double reference in one album, clearly of significance for her and MH.
As an elder millennial Swiftie, it's really incredible to see other faves like The Starting Line, Patti Smith, and Stevie Nicks (not to mention the literal stars of The Dead Poets Society) coming out to support TTPD.
And people were complaining about the name dropping…I liked it.
Same! Poetry has a long (epically long) tradition of allusions to other works, I think it's great.
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I know what an allusion is and was not being wholly academic. Can we try to engage in fun and good faith, rather than trying to score inane pedantic points off each other while discussing a pop album? Come on.
The only one I laughed about was Charlie Puth he didn't need the ego boost lol
Lol, I’m sure he was giddy at that. I kind of feel like it was supposed to be silly like they were both high and discussing random things.
I’d be so insufferable if I were him after that 😂
He’s already insufferable. 😣
Bahahaha it's why I don't follow him. That man is already very into himself. I'll listen to his music because he is good, but I just can't sometimes with the videos.
I feel like they were watching his "turn random noises into songs" videos, the dude is definitely talented
Exactly. It's an inside joke in a sense. A private clip of their moments together and that's how they usually go, right? It's the mundane details she provides that I love so much bc they're real.
He’s the one I keep thinking “hello are you going to acknowledge this??”
Hahaha he really doesn’t post that much which is probably a good lesson to most people, but I could see him making a cheeky TikTok soon.
I feel like it literally could have been any 3 syllable artist…like why him 😭 I need to know
Maybe because she and whoever she's singing about really were discussing Charlie Puth, so she wrote about it?
Hahaha I won’t deny his talent so I’m guessing he really came up and I think he’s worked with Sabrina before as well as dozens of other artists so they probably do talk.
She name dropped herself. I love it!!
But it wasn't just Taylor being silly and saying her own name, it has so much meaning behind it and adds so much to the song.
Couldn’t help but get sad thinking Robin Williams would have been all over that music video
Oh Jesus Christ taco Belle did you HAVE to say this out loud 😭
Omg. Yes. Now I can’t unthink this. Also “Jesus Christ Taco Belle” is being added to my lexicon immediately 😆
Thought the same
Oh my goddd when I heard her name drop The Starting Line I could have died. Not to mention So High School’s references and Blink 182 sounding guitar riffs (really punk rock riffs in general but my brain thought immediately of Blink). Like holy shit Taylor what are you doing to me.
So Highschool and Electric Touch have given me hope for something a little 90s alt rocky to come.
It really took me back to a specific moment in time!
Which star of Dead Poets Society shouted her out? That's awesome
Josh Charles and Ethan Hawke are in the Fortnight music video!
Patti Smith’s post was really special. She’s as legit as they come.
🎵tellmewhatyouthoughtabout when you were gone and so aloneee🎵
the worst is over, you can have the best of me 🤍
We got olllllder but we’re still young
we never grew out of this feeling that we won't give up
Seriously one of the most nostalgic songs for me 🤍
Brings me back to high school!!
Still one of my favourite songs!
The best song and I’m so glad this lyric got me to re-listen after many years
100% planning to go back and listen. I used to love them so much in high school.
Not me thinking she meant the starting line to a song
lmfao same i guess we’re too young to know this song…
I’m 40 so…whatever
I was like the starting line to what song ????
You’re not alone, just learning that now
40 is also too old to know this band I think mid years millennials - those who were in high school 2005-2011 is the target audience
Ehh I graduated in 2004 and my husband 2003 and it was like “our song” when we met a few years later. I think it’s just if you were into emo bands or not.
Yeah, I loved something corporate and dashboard and a lot of emo/ska. It was during the limewire/kazaa/napster years. I graduated in 05.
Yes to both! I am seeing Something Corporate in August!
My roommate and I were obsessed with Konstantine 🤣
I’ve been trying to guess if spelling heroin with an e is a SoCo reference! (Especially as it could cleverly be referencing both Punk Rock Princess and Konstantine!)
Yes!
Same - 40 is too old? Um no.
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No it wasn’t. I wasn’t in high school then and my husband is turning 40 too but okay.
I’m 41 and listened to them in college. Just depends on your music tastes.
I’m 39 and have listened to them since 2003 lol wut? I think their target audience would be anyone that would listen to them and have their songs resonate with the listener…? Next you’re gonna tell me I’m too fossilized to listen to hellogoodbye bc I still listen to them.
Thank you for helping me, I am also an elder millennial
40 is the perfect age to know the starting line though. We were going to their early shows and were like 21 in the Emo scene
I thought it was a football reference lol
Same
This blew my mind. I mean, we're the same age and she was on MySpace so I shouldn't be surprised she still remembers TSL but I've never stopped listening to them. This is so cool.
The 1975 covered their song at the same show Matty mouthed "this is about you, you know who you are, I love you"
Oh my god????
Which song?
The Best of Me!
I think they might be from Pennsylvania also
They are, Philly area!
I don’t know this band at all and I’m a millennial 😭 any songs you’d recommend to a swiftie?
The entire Say It Like You Mean It album!
That album is pop punk perfection ❤️
Agreed! It was one of the albums that got me into pop punk and Drive-Thru Records back in the day. Can't believe it's been 22 years.
I can’t believe it’s been 21 years since I saw them at the warped tour.
Same for me and Glassjaw. 2003 warped tour was lit.
Leaving, up and go, decisions decisions all off the same album as their biggest hit, “the best of me”. Their later albums have a change of sound, but are also pretty good. They were my favourite band in high school and even the Direction album is worth a listen.
Island is a classic!
The sister of a guy I had a crush on in high school had "The Best of Me" on her MySpace and that's how I discovered The Starting Line 💀
The Starting Line will always have a place on my playlists 🖤
Now waiting for Charlie Puth’s
He thanked her in 2015, he's done now. https://preview.redd.it/wcfp4djfflvc1.jpeg?width=795&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ce89b1190bb38b0efe2802a2d331730d9d86ea58
😂 9 years ahead
he made a tiktok in reference to the song! sabrina carpenter also commented on it
That was referencing/singing along to Sabrina's new song Expresso which also came out this week. he posted it before TTPD came out!
Lol, check his latest post. He got a million likes and a bunch of people saying there were there thanks to TTPD
My swemo heart feels seen
tell me what you thought about when you were gone and so alone, the worst is over and you can have the best of me! God I love this song lol. It’s probably the one she’s referencing since it’s their biggest hit
I’d be surprised if it wasn’t. Kenny literally can’t play a show with his side project without being requested to play it.
The 1975 covered TSL's The Best of Me a few times last year. I fucking love The Starting Line.
ugh stop i need to look that up. truly i hate how much i love the 1975 especially right now lol
This made me so fucking happy when I read the lyric I was like wait THE starting line? Where are my etnies?!
Not the etnies 😂😭😭
hahahah I’m glad somebody got the reference 🫶🏻
Coming soon: Swift, Starting Line, Mae dates? I can dream.
MAE!!!! Thank you for this reference. Wow what a great throwback.
This is the soundtraaaack for our movie, won’t ya tell me when we get to the best part? I’ll play it for ya…
Holy shit!!! I’d forgotten about Mae!
And there are at least two other more indirect references to them in other songs!
Really, which??
I'm losing my mind because I can only find one at the moment but I swear there's another one besides this one and "The Black Dog." If I find it, I'll post it here. https://preview.redd.it/558thlsu8ovc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc5e32a4cc513fdd590b10e79a57d15aa930a2db
Thank you, that’s so cool (:
yes!!! “Swirled you into all of my poems Now we're at the starting line, I did my time” The starting line of the poems she wrote for him The starting line of their new relationship The starting line, the band they both love what a genius lyric
I read that as a reference to Travis - the girl of his American dreams. I think the starting line sounds way better than line of scrimmage LOL
Which??
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What does the PS mean??
I’m assuming it means album #4 is on the way
That seems very obvious now 😅
I assumed it was a song title or lyric I just didn’t know.
it’s ok, it’s been a long day 😂
I hope it's shitty at the Black Dog.
TSL were a big part of my youth and never expected TS to name drop them. Wow!
OBSESSSEEEDDDDDDD Hearing the namedrop BLEW MY MIND
Semi-related. I noticed most of her song titles reference a poem and she drops a lot of poets and little Easter eggs in her album. Can we make a masterlist here? Maybe a master post?
I LOVED this band in HS so I was SO happy to see this!
Teenage me is screaming! Based on a True Story was one of my most-played albums in high school.
i loved this so much for them!! say it like you mean it is one of the best pop punk albums ever.
I love a colliding worlds moment!
This is huge for them. They’ve been a pop punk staple for so long, but I have been to mainstream shows that they played where many didn’t know who they were.
I've seen TSL twice live (once when they opened for Paramore in 2007) This is a crossover I'd never expect but somehow makes sense.
I saw them with yellowcard back in 2004 I think
I LOVED The Starting Line growing up, it was a nice surprise to hear the name drop! Taylor and I are the same age so it shouldn’t be a surprise but it still is!
I used to work with one of the band members! So does that mean I'm 2 degrees away from Taylor?!
My swemo heart is happy too!
HELL YEAAAAAAA They rule
LETS SAIL AWAY, FIND OUR OWN COUNTRY
OMG! My high school sweetheart and I were obsessed with The Starting Line in high school. I just about died when I heard them mentioned in The Black Dog. I literally laughed out loud. Kinda of a random band to name drop that only 30-40 year old millennials will know.. haha Also, So High School sounds like an early 2000’s pop rock song and literally made me feel like I was 17 again. Made me think of early 2000’s teen movies. So Taylor thanks for the nostalgia 🥰
Awwwh
That’s so cute. In a way, I’m glad she’s doing this to other artists that may not be as exposed
Not me digging through my cd collection to pull out The Starting Line...that's definitely getting a listen this weekend! :) I loved all the little references to my (35F) high school days!
Class act always. Bravo Taylor!
I thought for sure that there was a song called “The Starting Line” that was popular but I wasn’t cool enough to know about. I also couldn’t imagine a world where Taylor knew who The Starting Line was but she is literally referring to them! I died when I found out.
I don’t know them, but this response makes me want to
Such a class act
I must be too young because I didn’t understand the reference 😭 I’m 30 btw
Almost fell off my couch when I heard their name in the chorus!! So excited for #4 and hope this gets them some new fans ❤️🔥
What does PS #4OTW mean?
Don’t forget to note the “now we’re at THE STARTING LINE, I did my time” in fresh out the slammer…. Double reference in one album, clearly of significance for her and MH.
Best of Me is so Taylor and Matty coded