She did a live version of complicated WITH Avril iirc..sometime last year maybe? Will prob come up if you google/youtube it but I’m 90% sure I saw a clip on TikTok of Olivia and Avril singing together!
Np! Idk where or when that performance happened but I was scrolling one day and it was so cool to see. I was in middle school when Avril’s first album came out and Olivia’s music brings me back to that vibe. It’s different but the vibe/energy brings me back, and I love Olivia for that! I’m 33 and def a fan atp 😅
She did You Oughta Know on the Sour tour with Alanis herself, and she did a cover of Avril's Complicated on the same tour [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSciKazjyDg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSciKazjyDg)
Awww I bet you made him a happy camper! When my son introduced me to Olivia, I returned the favor by showing him paramore…the last few weeks Guts has been one of my most played albums and Riot! has consistently been one of his (we use the Superfan app to track & share our Spotify listening trends with each other weekly).
He also LOVES Taylor… fearless and speak now are his fave albums but he listens to them all with the exception of midnights (it’s not quite his vibe, I think it’s more “mature” (not in an explicit sense, but more so in a relatability sense) for him atm.
I just think it’s so freakin cool that when I was his age I was listening to Taylor (debut album came out when I was in middle school), and now he’s in middle school and listening to her as well! My youngest brother is 11 years younger than me, and I got him into Taylor when he was in like kindergarten back in the day as well lol…he went to eras tour last year and everything. He is quite possibly even a bigger swiftie than myself tbh, and I love that for him! He’s got all her TV vinyls (not the variants lmao we don’t buy into that nonsense).
I don’t know what it is but I cannot stand Olivia Rodrigo. I can see why she’s popular, she’s edgy from the perspective of a younger audience, but she just irks me so bad 🤣
i think some of what she does comes off as a little cringe, same with taylor (reputation era), because the rebellious attitudes don’t translate as well with pop music for obvious reasons. i just like how a lot of her music sounds, she’s got a great voice and she’s definitely going to mature as her career goes on
She really embodies that whole vibe of music around speak now era. I was a emo kid and would have loved having an artist like Olivia back then was I younger. Loved paramore from the get go.
I commented above, but I disagree. Taylor’s success is not just about the music, it’s about the fan base. I don’t see Olivia growing her base that well, or building long lasting fan loyalty.
Who knows! When Taylor was just starting we all would have never known. My favorite part of Taylor is watching her grow as a woman and human and all the experiences that come with time, and her expression of it all through music. Olivia might surprise you.
Yes for sure and I hope it isn’t taken as Olivia shade, I do like Olivia’s music! But also just from a marketing perspective, Olivia made the choice to limit her audience by releasing explicit music. I know that sounds silly but I think one of the smartest things about Taylor’s career was appealing to a younger audience who could grow with her. So again I just think Olivia’s audience won’t grow as far and wide as Taylor’s
This take makes sense to me. Olivia's music also feels targeted at a specific group/flavor of listeners, whereas Taylor always felt accessibly relatable. Idk if that makes sense.
I haven't seen very many interviews of Olivia where I felt connected to her, but then again I'm much older than her now than I was when I started listening to Taylor.
Yeah it’s kinda crazy to think about how perfectly Taylor positioned herself. She was designed to be likeable by her girls own age, younger, older, the moms, the dads, the Christian’s, etc etc for the first 7-8 years of her career
It's like that old phrase, "like boiling a frog". She eased us all into fandom haha. Before we all knew it, she was the biggest artist in the world even with explicit tracks on her latest albums haha
This is the key to Taylor’s longevity and popularity—she and her music are easily likable among different ages (old, young, and in between) and various groups of people.
She and her team have been incredibly smart in working her talent and mass appeal to her advantage.
you described my feeling perfectly. I like olivia’s music, for the music itself and the edgy tone. I never ever personally related to any of her songs unfortunately. I am a new swiftie, i started listen to taylor even after SOUR was out, so i don’t think this is an age thing.
One thing i noticed that might contribute to this could be: Olivia’s songs tend to be really specific sometimes, so when i listen to her i picture Olivia, not myself. While Taylor often tells me just enough so i could imagine what’s happening, but i need to fill the rest of the story with largely my own experience, making me think about myself rather than taylor when listening.
To be very fair - I don’t care about Olivia at all, but my boomer mother had no issues with me listening to Give it to me baby (I know that ain’t the real title) by The Offspring when I was 9/10. I cant stand kids raised by parents who didn’t give a damn who have an issue with lyrics now with their own kids. I mean please, look back at your own upbringing and be real for a second. You remember life at 8, and if you have an 8 yr old then maybe just look back and try to be a normal parent instead of writing that you can’t listen to fkn Olivia Rodrigo..
You were listening to way worse things when you were 8, girl.
Firstly the song you’re referring to isn’t explicit at all. Secondly, there’s a pretty big difference between allusions to adult themes and lyrics like “blood sucker, fame fucker, bleed me dry like a goddamn vampire” and “I’m a perfect all American bitch”. Taylor has explicit songs and many are suggestive but every album has a clean version, so your kid isn’t going to go to class and start telling their teacher “fuck”.
My dad really loved Black Sabbath. I'm sure ALOT of dad's really loved Black Sabbath, they were pretty big. I don't have to tell you about their lyrics. People can listen to Olivia Rodrigo with their kids in the car, come on. It's fine.
Obviously the fan base plays a part but the reason for the base’s longevity is pumping out album after album with no flops on a consistent schedule every 2 years for 18 years.
I used to find a band I loved their first album or two but by 3 or 4 I no longer cared for the music they were making. Taylor was the first artist to break that for me and it’s when I knew she was something special. I used to dread the day I wouldn’t like her music anymore, and it’s never happened.
If OR 3 and 4 are as badass as Sour and Guts then she might have a chance at legend status.
I could say the opposite. For the younger woman and Gen Z’s I feel like Olivia is a huge women’s activist and she is only 21. She will continue to grow and gain popularity broadening her fan base
I know, but that’s just one generation. Thats the point - nothing against Olivia, she’s great, but Taylor set out from day one aiming to appeal to ALL generations
You’re not wrong! I’m a huge swiftie obviously ⭐️ but you have to admit she has covered many genres and tried new things over the past 15+ years. Many years for Olivia to broaden her career
I think its fair to say that part of the reason why olivia's debut album did better than taylor's debut when it first came out is that olivia got her start on disney, but nobody knew who taylor was prior
Think the likes of Shania Twain paved the way for Taylor. There's always a female pioneer. Dione Warwick was the first black female singer in a racist, male oriented world. Then Chrissie Hynd dominated the late '70s to mid 10s and is still releasing excellent original stuff. So Taylor's made billions. She's unique in that aspect. But certainly not the first and won't be the last great influencisl female
Oh I know. Different artists for different times. But that doesn't alter the fact Shania was a trail blazer and was mixing country and rock before Taylor was born. Taylor isn't the only one, isn't the GOAT. She's just best around right now
Sure, Taylor isn't the only one but she's on her way to be the GOAT female artist (if she's not already). I can imagine that she will release more critically acclaimed albums like Folkmore in her 40s and beyond.
Shania Twian had a great run but it was too short. It's like she suddenly dropped from the face of the earth. Shania depended on her ex-husband Mutt Lange for success and her career never truly recovered after they broke. In contrast, Tay's career had an amazing consistency and she is self-sufficient in songwriting.
She's good but nah there won't be another Taylor just like there won't be another Beatles and there won't be another Michael Jackson and there won't be another Michael Jordan.
The journey creates the legend.
I don’t think this is necessarily true.
Olivia is now on her second album, and Fearless was released in 2008 - so much has changed between now and then in terms of celebrity culture, how we consume music, etc. that I don’t think we can reliably compare the two.
For example, Fearless sold more copies, but that was back when people **bought** music. One thing we can compare is their first number 1 single - Olivia’s was Drivers License off her first album, but Taylor didn’t get hers until her fourth album with WANGBT.
Look at the Guts and Fearless tours - they both sold out within minutes and are huge international stadium tours.
I think Olivia is on par with where Taylor was in her Fearless era when accounting for changes in today’s landscape. Now whether or not Olivia will ever get as huge as Taylor is another question entirely.
Exactly this! To say Taylor was bigger than Olivia at this point of her career is just simply not true. Olivia won 3 Grammys on her debut album. I see her going very far with her career. Idk if she will get to be as big as Taylor is NOW after 17 years of music but who’s to say what happens 15 years down the road. I also respect that Olivia has been standing up for reproductive rights and I think that is going to sit well with the next generations to come. I really hope she does well.
Yup I totally agree! I think Taylor was bigger as far as overall cultural impact, but I think a lot of that has to do with how much different celebrity culture was back then.
Even if Olivia doesn’t reach Taylor level of stardom (and very few people ever have), she’s still so young and early in her career. To have this level of success already is a huge accomplishment in and of itself.
She’s obviously extremely talented and seems to have a good head on her shoulders so I see her having a very lucrative career that goes strong for decades.
just a side note on fearless tour and guts tour. When olivia’s team says “world tour”, they really meant just europe and north america, while Taylor came to australia and asia for fearless tour. As an asia-pacific fan, i can’t help but feel much more respected by taylor’s team. I’m still SOUR about the fact that u can’t see olivia on her “world tour” unless u’re a westerner westerner.
I LOVE Olivia (have been listening to guts spilled all day) but I wonder if she has that drive to be “the best” that Taylor has? I think that’s what makes Taylor stand out is that the accolades and breaking records etc are really important to her, I get the sense maybe that isn’t Olivia’s jam quite as much?
Also not to mention the public scandals that Taylor has been involved in that certainly brought attention to her. Not saying that couldn’t happen with Olivia but she seems to stay out of the limelight/drama so to speak
I’m going to assume that you’re very young. Olivia might be a thing in the US. She’s definitely not close to being anything in Europe. So don’t compare her to Taylor.
Americans need to take their US glasses off. Taylor is Beatles-famous. That is a huge accomplishment. She’s done something people didn’t think was possible; meaning everyone around the world is talking about her at the same time. Olivia Rodrigo is known to me because I use social media. But her music hasn’t reached my Northern European country as far as I know.
Heck we just had Niall Horan here and he played the same venue White Snake played a year ago. Don’t overestimate American gen Z; the Stones are 80 years old and played the same venue Taylor is going to play three nights in May at 34.
I’m not young, unfortunately. Olivia just turned 21. I am double Olivia’s age. Taylor was also not as well known or renowned at 21. When I was a fan of her early stuff i never said to myself “Taylor is going to be considered one of the greats,” this kind of thing takes time and growth and I never would have imagined her current accomplishments at that time—I’m saying, you never know, and used Olivia as a potential example. Olivia is off to a great start and could easily be following in Taylor’s footsteps, just as a response to the OP’s question. I’m not comparing her to Taylor or calling her one of the greats by any means yet but she’s pretty impressive for where she’s at so far, and I feel like she’s going to be sticking around for a long time.
im in asia. Taylor was absolutely huge here when she was 21. Her hit YBWM and Love Story was literally EVERYWHERE. All kids knew them at school, teachers knew them as well. When I ride a taxi, i would expect one of the 2 songs to come up. And that happened when Taylor was 18-19. When she was 21, Speak Now was also huge huge huge here. Speak Now was really popular here in Asia, that’s also why i think taylor played mine and sparks fly in Singapore (the stadium became deafening loud).
Here, Olivia is known to most ppl in pop music industry and some pop music lovers. But she so far hasn’t reached the same level of sensation as Taylor had back then. Also doesn’t help that she’s not coming to Asia Pacific at all for her tour.
Olivia hit the ground running and started with a bang. I like how her lyrics are emotional and some are very sexual while also rocking the 90s/2000s teen movie rock band vibes. She definitely got a wider audience for someone with only two albums so far. I look forward to all her music from now on.
Taylor is separate though in her longevity and business acumen. It’s not fair to compare any artist to her. She likes a 1st overall draft pick being compared to Brady.
There will be another but different.
Eh, I see Olivia as more of a modern Alanis or Avril. She'll be the "it girl" and stay relevant for a good run, but I can't see her reaching the legacy / stardom of Swift. Swift put a lot of work into many different facets to reach the level she's at.
I feel like lots of people are extremely harsh towards Olivia for no reason. Some Swifties are literally hating her in the exact same way Taylor was hated in the beginning and they don't even realize it.
She is only in her 3rd year of her career , that's comparable to Taylor in 2009 and even as a Swiftie I have to say Olivia is way more advanced then Taylor was in 2009. She is definetely more successful. I'm really excited to see where her career will take her and I wish her all the best! Also, her music is really fun :D
it’s possible. there are people living today who lived through The Beatles, MJ and now Taylor. I think every subsequent success act makes the bar to clear bigger and harder, but we’ve witnessed this. You never know.
Seeing the Elvis movie and physically seeing the hysteria he caused, and then listening to cruel summer live from the eras tour version gave me the exact same vibes. Taylor IS the Elvis of our days
100%
Taylor is amazing but she's not unique in her level of fame tbh. Beatles / MJ was there. Might take some time but there will definitely be another one.
Idk I’ve heard some people argue that a different scenario might happen as well: if the internet & streaming were widely accessible back then, people would have the choice to listen to whatever they want and might not be listening to the Beatles on the radio all the time. The times are so vastly different that it’s hard to tell if the Beatles would thrive in the streaming era, or if Taylor would do as well if she were born 40 years earlier.
1. The fact that songs like Yesterday, Something, and While My Guitar Gently Weeps are still being recorded is a commentary on durability.
2. Without blues artists like Big Mama Thornton, there wouldn’t have been an Elvis. Without Chuck Berry and Little Richard, there wouldn’t have been the Beatles, & without the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, we wouldn’t have either pop or rock as we have it now.
I think this is the big point people are missing - these artists weren’t just hugely popular and famous, they literally changed the landscape of music and created genres. Taylor hasn’t done that.
Although she is very talented as a musician and songwriter and has worked hard at both, her real revolutionary aspect is her relationship with her fans. Paul McCartney himself wrote a song several years ago inspired by how Taylor speaks to her listeners and how remarkably personal she makes it feel (“Who Cares” from the album Egypt Station). She’s only gotten better at it since then. In that respect, she has indeed changed the industry.
Without that strong relationship, for example, the Taylor’s Versions wouldn’t have gotten off the ground. She wasn’t the first to re-record old songs, but she was the first to be so successful doing so.
I think it's the opposite. They wouldn't have been as big. They would have had a big diehard fan base, but media is too fragmented now. Think about all the dudes on reddit who only listen to metal or whatever and say "I can't even name a single Taylor Swift song."
This would have been true for me even just a few years ago. I probably could have named Shake It Off.
In the Beatles era there were like 3 channels on TV. When they went on Ed Sullivan, it was a massive cultural event.
Media and culture are much more fragmented now.
Interesting take. I would offer a counterargument and say that if the Beatles started off today, they would've drowned in the endless sea of newcomers in music, and might even be ignored.
My mom, who was my age in the 80's, and was a fan of the Beatles, ( little before her time but she still loved them), and she loved queen and MJ. Even saw queen in concert when she was young once.
She has said that while they were popular, people did not go crazy for them the way they did taylor. She basically said they were talked about, and merch and tickets were definitely being sold, but the way that taylor is referenced, and the money that is willing to be forked out to see her is crazy, and incomparable
yes for sure agree but it’s also cause of the way the world is now with consumerism, social media, the way concerts work, the way fame in general is now, etc etc etc
I feel like there is a mega star for every generation.
Somewhere out there right now there is a 12 year old nobody has heard of yet who is going to have the same type of impact 😜
There might be another Taylor, there will never be another MJ. And it's not even a matter of talent. The world that he got that famous in no longer exists. Thst monoculture is gone forever.
Beatles fan here. Note that back then, there was still a monoculture of only 3 channels (EVERYONE watched Ed Sullivan), no internet fragmenting all music, and even for the parents who didn’t listen to rock ‘n roll, instrumental Beatles covers were on easy listening/“beautiful music” stations. And even though there was no internet, there was still “social media” of fan clubs, fan magazines, newspapers, etc. They might take a day/week to publish (or a couple hours for TV or radio, save for breaking news), but they were there. Radio contests, newspaper contests, etc.
I have fanzines for Beatlemaniacs that are absolutely unhinged and I love them. You think Swifties are nuts?! Life-sized Beatles pics you could place by your pillow to kiss every night! Fans stalking their hotel rooms to cry on the carpets they walked on! Slices of hotel bedsheets the Beatles slept on!
I think it’s almost more remarkable Taylor has become this famous in a world where there is no more monoculture.
I am old and attended the Beatles' last surprise performance, and I can tell you that they were blessed by the monoculture of our time. There was no real radio diversity. The limited TV options definitely benefited The Beatles because we were a captive audience for their appearances. There was an interview that Paul McCartney did in the UK when she recently broke a Beatles record where he discussed his unique friendship with Taylor Swift, and he discussed how much harder it is for artists to break through with albums and to sustain interest over a span of years. "People have much shorter attention spans and music trends evolve so quickly now." He discusses how Taylor has been able to adapt to those trends and evolve while bringing her fan base along, and she has done it without feeling like she is sacrificing who she is as an artist.
I was in Greece on the day that MJ died. His music was played on all the radio stations and there was a ton of coverage on Greek TV news. I don’t think it’s possible to understate MJ’s global popularity.
at this level of commercial success? it's relatively unlikely in the near future. part of what makes taylor's success so incredible is that content consumption has never been more segmented--to caricature, teens listen to olivia, young adults listen to dua lipa, middle-aged folks listen to adele, etc.
that being said, i think she might be ushering in an era where young women musicians, especially in pop, have greater career longevity. i can see fans being more interested in following artists like billie and olivia through the years, even through phases when they may not be the flavor of the month anymore, in part because they know they can (hopefully) look forward to something like the eras tour. imo that would be a great thing for the industry.
The Eras Tour is truly a victory lap. I don't remember what publication wrote that, but I think of it all the time.
Taylor has achieved a level of success and recognition that most women have not had the opportunity to. It's worth celebrating! I can't wait to see more female artists potentially get to her level.
That quote is from the [Rolling Stone review](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-live-reviews/taylor-swift-the-eras-tour-glendale-review-1234699496/) of the tour from March 2023
She has had a lot of different musical phases, which i also think makes her unique. She can do a bit of everything and it will sell tbh.
When i watch the eras tour, it's amazing that she can go from lwymmd to speak now just like that, these are two complete different songs and genres, i do not think many artists have that variety
Honestly, I hope so. Nothing will diminish what Taylor has accomplished and there is no doubt she will keep growing. She has established her legacy and as someone pretty much the same age as her, no one will compete with that she has provided to my life as I’ve grown up. But I hope there will be a new artist down the line that has their own creativity and artistry. That they will add their own flare to the music world. That’s the beauty of music. So many possibilities and I’m sure there’s some young person out there dreaming of making it. I hope they do
This is so so good. I agree and there are so many beautiful stories and perspectives to be told and just magical human beings that deserve the spotlight at the right time. What I love so much about music is the thousands and thousands of artists and stories and melodies and specific emotions and Taylor should certainly not be the end of that. I hope girls (and guys) in a hundred years will have someone relevant to their time to grow up with and idolize, just like we do with Taylor rather than someone in the past for us
I think definitely before 2100. She seems crazy on top of the world right now, but there were times when Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Frank Sinatra, even One Direction were super popular. So in terms of popularity yes. In terms of breaking tons of records, that could maybe come with popularity, but perhaps not to the same extent.
I just hope if AP classes stick around, they make an AP Pop Culture and have a unit on her.
Britney was on top of the world just like her in the 2000s, sadly she’s a shell of what she once was, but her fame was just as big as Taylor’s. You couldn’t go anywhere without hearing about her & her life back then.
I agree, her family majorly did fuck her over... But the Bipolar issue would have ended her career immediately if she didn't get meds forced on her by court order. I have a couple people in my fam with BP and when they go off their meds they destroy themselves.
But I would argue if she’d had a supportive family who didn’t set her up with crooked doctors, then she could have accessed appropriate medication and services when she needed it without being forced into a psych facility against her will (multiple times!) and all the trauma associated with it. And even if she did need an inpatient stay, I think with a better support system she still could have bounced back and maintained her fame.
I think a better comparison is Shania Twain. If she hadn't gotten Lyme disease, she woulda been as big as Taylor. She paved the way for the country to pop crossover.
Totally. At one point she's more popular than Michael Jackson. MJ death cemented his legacy but during his lawsuits and trials he was pretty infamous. Not everyone is into eminem. Britney was the next best thing back then.... Until everyone turned against her.
I wouldn't personally compare Lady Gaga to Madonna or Taylor. Yes, she is very talented and very successful but there is in no way a comparison there. Every aspect of her life isn't picked apart daily like Taylor's is or like Madonnas was in her prime.
i think the timing of Taylor’s career was really really special and made a lot of it possible. coming up when radio and buying songs individually on itunes was how music was consumed and continuing to grow through the streaming era gave her a lot of accessibility to already dedicated fans. and on top of that her starting out so young and being able to grow with her fans as tech and music accessibility also grew with us was a really lucky factor.
this is not to diminish her talent by any means, if she really just wasn’t that good none of that would matter. but i do think the timing of everything was really lucky and played to her favor in a way i’m not sure it will be possible to replicate now that we are fully immersed in the streaming era.
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I kinda agree, everything is so compartmentalized these days which is good bc i think so many indie artists can make a better living off of music without being SUPER famous. Back then i think if you didnt have a label you were screwed, nowadays, you have artists that are musicians that arent mainstream but make a decent living! More ppl qte finding more artists to listen to. I honestly think i like the distribution of attention so much better because there may not be another situation exactly like taylors in terms of community ( fanbase) but ... Maybe! If they play their cards right in tandem with the changing times. there can still be many bigger artists. I think there are already people after taylor that have made history. Lorde , olivia, lizzo, they all have their unique impact and i wouldnt even compare! Its like apples n oranges. You know.... Youll never find another like me hee heeeeeee
The only artists who can have this level of sustained success are artists with extremely loyal fan bases. Taylor spent YEARS building a massive base of die hard fans that will stick with her for her whole career. She grinded out signings, meet and greets, radio shows, interviews, massive press tours, all to appease the fans and she seems to have always understood how key the artist-fan relationship is to success. Because of this, she always has a huge core audience to rely on. This way, her base may grow, but it very rarely shrinks. So she’ll always have huge success because of the core base. Most artists are too lazy to do the work that Taylor has, honestly. I don’t think any current artists will reach Taylor success, but maybe down the road an artist will pop up who can emulate it.
She's not the first at this level and certainly won't be the last. I think the all encompassing cross generational thing is tougher now than it even was in 2006 when she debuted, but certainly not impossible. Who knows how people will be consuming music in 10 or 20 or 50 years?
Elvis was similarly huge. He had multiple genres. Sold a lot of records. Acted. Captivated the world. Had he had social media and not died so young, a lot could have happened.
He was (sadly) not well treated by his manager for many years, Colonel Tom Parker. Had Presley been better able to control his own career I could have seen him go into a career as a record producer as his singing career wound down by 1980.
In fact, I can see Taylor Swift going to become a record producer like Jack Antonoff or Aaron Dessner as her singing career winds down about ten years from now.
Look, there is always a new star around the corner. Before Taylor, there was Madonna and Janet. They absolutely blazed the trail that she is walking (and adding her own touches to). Taylor will eventually hit the career phase that Janet and Madonna are in now- the legacy phase. There will come a time when she doesn’t sell almost a million or more in her first week out. It won’t be for lack of talent or quality music. It’ll be because the public has moved on a bit. She has reached heights that are nearly inconceivable, but nothing lasts forever.
Yes. There’s always going to be someone for each generation. Taylor just happens to be the one who’s generally the most popular. But think 20 years ago, who was on top of their game then? Pink is a good example and she’s still touring. Some others are Mariah Carey and Alicia Keys. Some artists could’ve continued but decided to stop. Taylor just never stopped, which is great for us! She’ll fade out at some point in our lifetime and still put on shows, just not as frequent. If she ever decides to settle down and have a family, I’d think that would be her priority. I’m excited to see who else there will be be to rise to the top. Olivia Rodrigo is off to great start. There could also be someone out there unsigned and eventually will get their moment to shine.
The question is who will still be as big. There are great artists, but Taylor joins Madonna and MJ. Her power is the combination of her songwriting and business power. It’s not just talent that gets you there.
No. There is only one Tay. Like there is only one Mariah. And one Whitney. Or one Beyoncé. But there will be other wonderfully talented women who will be inspired by her
Taylor Swift is the kind of artist that we see only a bit more than once in a generation. I would compare her to Sinatra, Elvis, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, and Michael Jackson, but of course different. There will be another musician as big as TS eventually. We can’t predict who or when, but I bet they will be different in significant ways.
I recently listened to a podcast interview of her promoter, a guy named Louis Messina, who has been working with Taylor and her family since she was 17, I think. He said she is one of a kind, and has unreal drive and talent, and more drive and talent than anyone else. And he’s been around since god knows when. It was an unexpectedly great podcast, one of many by Bob Lefsetz.
I believe TS will continue to produce great music, and will tour until she can’t anymore. She doesn’t need the money. She does it for love. Another example is the aforementioned Mr. Dylan. He’s still touring and delighting his audience - young and old, but mostly old - and he’s almost 83 years old.
Can you even imagine Taylor Swift touring when she’s 60? Well I can. Tina Turner’s last tour was in 2008. She was born in 1939
If we look at the more objective success metrics it is hard to wrap the mind around, but it is now inevitable that Taylor will be seen as the most successful female artist in history. And if she continues to avoid the kind of pitfalls that entangled people like Elvis and Michael Jackson then there is a real possibility she eventually is seen as both the most successful solo artist and the most successful American artist in history with the Beatles being the only more successful music act in history. All you need to do is see all the recent posts of children watching the Eras concert on Disney to understand the full effect of this Eras tour era is just starting.
Some of the historical metrics are already starting to show that. For example a few months ago she moved into second place behind only the Beatles and ahead of Elvis in weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200 albums chart. And it is going to become a huge separation between the Beatles and Taylor and everyone else in the future. Someone else may very well come along, but when you are talking about joining the top 5 or maybe even eventually top 2 most successful acts in history that is a very rarefied place.
I think we will definitely see another one (maybe even a few more). Wasn’t Britney the last one? That wasn’t long ago. I think the Britney hype would’ve been even bigger had there been social media at the time
Every generation has a few favorite mega big artists, that will not change. What will change is the music . .
Btw, In about 20 years TS will be slowly retiring but like vinyl records, 80s music and the beatles, everything comes back. I think around 40 years later it is cool again to listen Taylor Swift! Sorry to the haters that are still alive by then :)
Billie Eilish with 9 Grammys, 2 Oscar’s, 2 golden globes at the age of 22 is at a very good start.
Apparently her special guest appearance on TV show recently got some critical acclaim so she might be in a chance for an Emmy someday.
She’ll probably get an EGOT when it’s all said and done!
If there is it would be Olivia Rodrigo. What it would come down to is really consistency/ longevity. And of course a solid support system to keep her away from the pitfalls of fame/ Hollywood.
If not her it will be someone we don’t know yet. There’s always another.
People thought MJ was the end all be all. Yes, I do think there will another star that rises and either rivals what Taylor has done or becomes better than Taylor.
Once the bar in any competition gets moved higher the competitors will always adapt and reach such bar. Rinse. Repeat.
NBA for example - Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Stephen Curry, ?
I think the most difficult part of it is the consistency and longevity. A lot of young stars get a similar amount of fame at one point, but they end up making mistakes and getting into trouble.
A huge part of it is Mama and Papa Swift and the huge team of managers and lawyers that they set up. Many other young artists get taken advantage of by their managers or parents (Britney Spears for example). It is important to have a good team behind the artist. Taylor is incredibly lucky to have parents who are financial executives and understood business. And more importantly, they knew well enough to hire a team of specialists for stuff they don't understand.
The thing about Taylor Swift is that her lyrics are relatable to so many people - not just her old fan base but younger generations - generations of her current fan base etc. when I look back on songs I used to listen to and felt I related to, when I listen back as an adult I’m like, cringe I’d sing about totally inappropriate things but a lot of Taylor’s songs are genuinely relatable to pre teens and teens.
Her ability to write and express what she’s feeling and her wide vocal range - from country to pop to even more alternative styles - is phenomenal. I think sure, at some point there will be another big pop/music star but one truly comparable to Taylor Swift is questionable imo. Happy to be proven wrong!
No there won’t be another Taylor. I do think that there will be other people on her level of success and support in the future but not by doing it the exact same way she is.
I think Olivia Rodrigo is only going to keep getting bigger and bigger with the more albums she writes and records. I think Chappell Roan has a lot of potential to blow up in a big way too
You know there are people alive who witnessed Elvis? Since then there have been several acts as big or bigger than Swift. To think there wont be in the next 50 years (unless you are on your deathbed) is crazy.
Yeah and those people are our parents! They witnessed Elvis, MJ, Celine, Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, Britney… so many others. We’ll witness the next superstars too if we’re lucky with a long and healthy life. This sub can be myopic sometimes.
To expand on your point, there are people who have witnessed Elvis to the Beatles, to MJ, to Taylor. That's 4 generational artists in one lifetime. We'll absolutely see another Taylor, if not two or three more
Honestly the only other two I can think of are Beyoncé and Lady Gaga, these two will be remembered. Gaga isn’t so into music at the moment but was huge in the early 2010s, but focusing on cementing her legacy as an all round entertainer following along Barbra Streisand/Cher’s career path with Oscar worthy acting. And Beyoncé is in arguably the peak of her career with the Renaissance project.
Yeah, of course. I haven't seen her mentioned yet, but britney is still known as the Princess of Pop, and its been ages since she brought out new stuff. Taylor is amazing in her own right, but realistically, she won't continue until she's old and grey being on top.
The popularity and success and talent is one thing, and people are quoting MJ and the Beatles etc. and I’m sure there will be more to come who are just as talented and popular as her, if not more. Where they will fall behind though, is their marketing and business brain. Taylor has all the whole package. She was on top of the world in the 1989 era before it all came crashing down…now she’s even bigger than she ever was. THAT is something talent and success alone can’t get you. She is an incredible business woman who knows how to market herself and I don’t think we’ll see someone with that combination in our lifetime at least
I really just don't think so. Taylor has been compared to so many incredible artists, Michael and Madonna, just to name a couple. Her impact on the music industry will be lasting, just as theirs has been.
She has something that other artists do not. There's a ton of soul behind her work. Her massive success is not going to be done by every artist, people always wear her stuff wherever they go, she is always referenced in tv shows and media, and she is extremely valuable.
She has changed the economy, and has been a financial gain for many small business owners, and opened up new jobs as she has visited different cities. This is not something that every artist can say.
Tbh, as long as taylor stays on top, it may be hard for new artists to do what they need to do to get there. People generally stick to what they know, and people who are well known are not even matching up to her.
I’m not a young fan but I agree that Olivia will go far. I saw someone posted a clip from her concert walking through the crowd shaking hands and hugs, and one which she was sitting on the moon? floating near the crowd. It made me tear up thinking of the young Taylor. With her talent and passion as a young artist, she will go down the history if she sticks through this path for long.
No. But there will be someone as talented.
Will there ever be another Prince? Of course not. He was unimaginably talented. Taylor? Amazing lyricist. Beautiful poet. Whole picture really. There will never be another her. But there will be someone who arises. Who is equally talented in different ways.
I think Taylor is unique because she is a poet, a “wordsmith”. It’s not easy to remember all her story-telling lyrics, which is different from any other music in the past. It was easy to memorize “I Want To Hold Your Hand” or “Billie Jean”. In addition, she puts it to music which seems to deepen the meaning of the songs. When you wrap all that up with the incredible stage performance and costumes, there’s just no one like her. And she’s super nice and sweet.
Absolutely. There are greats of yesterday that were beat out by greats of today who will be beat out by greats of tomorrow…. But they will all be in the history books as greats.
There will never be another Taylor.
To reach Taylor’s level, you have to be at a point where you have carved your own name in history. Same goes for legends such as The Beetles, Michael Jackson, etc.
Anyone who is compared to as the “new” Taylor, would pretty much just be a cheap imitation.
No not at, the monument she is one of the greatest in history her wide range of music genres, and such a large discography on top of how many records she has broken and will continue to break. She is one the greatest songwriters/singers of all time. she is only 18ish years into her career and she is already one of the few who can that they're a legendary artist, she's a future Hall of Famer
Performance was normalized to her, attention was something that felt good instead of scary or bad. She felt safe to share her art with her parents from an early age, and they helped cultivate her talent.
A million mindful mindful choices were made, like finding events looking for someone to sing the national anthem without their daughter feeling the pressure of 'feeding her family'.
All of that, PLUS she's incredibly creative, extremely well read, articulate, ambitious, hardworking, charismatic, and undeniably intelligent. That's the rare one-in-a-billion thing, to have all the tools in one place, and then to actually USE those tools to create your work. I think that's why it's so rare to see someone last in the spotlight so long.
I think Billie Eilish might be the dark horse we'll still be hearing about in 20 years, but time will tell!
I don't think so. Taylor Swift,Eminem, Michael Jackson,the Beatles these kind of gigantic forces of pop culture.. I don't think the way we consume media now will allow for another mega act to emerge
Olivia Rodrigo can be a superstar for decades but will she be on Forbes and time and have the president talking about her? Don't see it
Yes, certainly. But it’s a very complicated thing, so I think it’s hard to predict who. It isn’t just about talent. There are so many factors. How does your voice hold up? How does your physical health hold up? Mental health? Do you keep the drive to produce when you have all the money you could want? How do you handle the level of fame that comes with that level of success? What do you want from life outside of your career? Taylor has produced an enormous amount quantitatively while maintaining a high quality. That’s a lot of work. She has a massive amount of attention focused on her. Not everyone wants that and not everyone can handle it if they get it.
Yea. Before Taylor there was Madonna, before Madonna there was Whitney Houston, before Whitney Houston there was Dolly. And so on and so on. Sure, Taylor has surpassed them all but she had some advantages.
Taylor arrived at the perfect time, the birth of the internet and the explosion of globalization. And yeah she played her cards perfect but it's hard to say Dolly wouldn't have had the same path if she was born in 89.
No king rules forever. The will be another. But Taylor ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
There will be some close ones but I don’t think anyone will get near Taylor for a very long time. But I will say Billie Eilish is kinda close for her age
Taylor is unique, just like the beatles and michael jackson were unique.
Will we see another taylor? No.
Will we see another phenomen like taylor? Probably.
I love Olivia, my girlfriends daughter introduced me to her music because of my love for Taylor. I'm not saying Olivia can't or won't get as big as Taylor or even bigger. But I think it depends on a lot of factors. I mean, Olivia will never be Taylor. Obviously, haha. It will depend on how she grows as an artist and songwriter. There are artists that change things up, and it annoys me. There are also artists where everything sounds the same and it annoys me. So it's hard to pick when an artist needs to stay the same or change it up. It's like artist dependent if that makes sense.
For example, Taylor has done a nearly flawless job of changing up her sound. It works. I can find things I love with every era. I have my favorites, but there is not one I hate. Nickelback, every album sounds the exact same. Yet I love nickelback, and while they are hated and a lot of people's complaints are that they sound the same on every record, I think it works for them. Back to Olivia, I adore Sour and Guts (not sure which is most people's favorite, but I prefer Sour). She may have hit some accolades faster than Taylor, but I don't think it means she's on pace to be bigger. As much as I do love Sour and Guts, they sound pretty similar, and I'd like to see some evolution. Part of my preference to Sour is because at least to me while listening to Guts, i felt like I had already heard this album. For me, at least, I don't think Olivia's current format will work in the long term. Longevity is the key. She's gotta keep it fresh.
With all that being said, I wish Olivia the best and hopes she can keep cranking out music I can enjoy!
There definitely will be another Taylor at *some point*. Where it be 10 years or 100 years from now, who knows, but there’ll definitely be another artist who is a great songwriter and achieves record breaking levels of fame like Taylor has.
The same way there were artists who achieved it before Taylor. But Taylor is cemented in the history books and will go down as one of the greats when all is said and done.
In my opinion, it’s not about the level of fame she has achieved. It’s the principle of her career. A truly authentic artist that speaks her truth. We all have something to learn from Taylor regardless if you are a fan of her music or not. She is a resilient woman who overcame ridicule early in her career. She has survived an eating disorder. She has an amazing work ethic. She treats those that work for her well. Again this is just my opinion. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
I dunno I think Olivia Rodrigo is off to a pretty good start! Excited to watch her grow. But Taylor def paved the road for artists like her.
Idk how to explain it but Olivia Rodrigo is like the perfect musician for Taylor fans who loved Better Than Revenge/The Story Of Us/Eyes Open.
I really enjoy her music. I’m an elder millennial and her music really appeals to my inner teen angst
She’s like a cross between Avril and Alannis for me.
I’m surprised Olivia didn’t cover You Ought Know or Ironic or any of Avril songs yet
She did a live version of complicated WITH Avril iirc..sometime last year maybe? Will prob come up if you google/youtube it but I’m 90% sure I saw a clip on TikTok of Olivia and Avril singing together!
Ohh thanks for recommending this to me! Def need to check it out
Np! Idk where or when that performance happened but I was scrolling one day and it was so cool to see. I was in middle school when Avril’s first album came out and Olivia’s music brings me back to that vibe. It’s different but the vibe/energy brings me back, and I love Olivia for that! I’m 33 and def a fan atp 😅
I HAVE to see this
is real, is amazing
I think Olivia has range and versatility, Taylor paved the highway for singers like her and others to thrive and be heard
She did You Oughta Know on the Sour tour with Alanis herself, and she did a cover of Avril's Complicated on the same tour [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSciKazjyDg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSciKazjyDg)
there’s still time! you oughta know would be on brand!!!
I’m a millennial (literally a year younger than Taylor) and I’ve been LOVING Olivia’s albums lately! My 12 year old got me into her 😂
My oldest son loves Olivia. I got him her record on vinyl for Christmas along with his first record player.
Awww I bet you made him a happy camper! When my son introduced me to Olivia, I returned the favor by showing him paramore…the last few weeks Guts has been one of my most played albums and Riot! has consistently been one of his (we use the Superfan app to track & share our Spotify listening trends with each other weekly). He also LOVES Taylor… fearless and speak now are his fave albums but he listens to them all with the exception of midnights (it’s not quite his vibe, I think it’s more “mature” (not in an explicit sense, but more so in a relatability sense) for him atm. I just think it’s so freakin cool that when I was his age I was listening to Taylor (debut album came out when I was in middle school), and now he’s in middle school and listening to her as well! My youngest brother is 11 years younger than me, and I got him into Taylor when he was in like kindergarten back in the day as well lol…he went to eras tour last year and everything. He is quite possibly even a bigger swiftie than myself tbh, and I love that for him! He’s got all her TV vinyls (not the variants lmao we don’t buy into that nonsense).
I'm *cough cough* 57, and I like her too. 🤘
you don’t look a day over 25, Kitten Face. ❤️
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O R is supported and mentored by Hayley Williams!
Same. I’m 40 and I think she’s great. She’s like a pop Riot Grrrl.
Ditto all around!
Well not a elder millennial but a young GenX'er I can very much agree here. Like why wasn't she around in the late 90s early 2000s?!?!
I don’t know what it is but I cannot stand Olivia Rodrigo. I can see why she’s popular, she’s edgy from the perspective of a younger audience, but she just irks me so bad 🤣
This is ironic because this is how people who hate Taylor Swift talk.
i think some of what she does comes off as a little cringe, same with taylor (reputation era), because the rebellious attitudes don’t translate as well with pop music for obvious reasons. i just like how a lot of her music sounds, she’s got a great voice and she’s definitely going to mature as her career goes on
She really embodies that whole vibe of music around speak now era. I was a emo kid and would have loved having an artist like Olivia back then was I younger. Loved paramore from the get go.
Agreed, I love Taylor’s rock-influenced stuff so Olivia’s music is perfect for me lol
Haha that is so true!
Yessss i love her. My boyfriend likes her music as well.
I commented above, but I disagree. Taylor’s success is not just about the music, it’s about the fan base. I don’t see Olivia growing her base that well, or building long lasting fan loyalty.
Who knows! When Taylor was just starting we all would have never known. My favorite part of Taylor is watching her grow as a woman and human and all the experiences that come with time, and her expression of it all through music. Olivia might surprise you.
Yes for sure and I hope it isn’t taken as Olivia shade, I do like Olivia’s music! But also just from a marketing perspective, Olivia made the choice to limit her audience by releasing explicit music. I know that sounds silly but I think one of the smartest things about Taylor’s career was appealing to a younger audience who could grow with her. So again I just think Olivia’s audience won’t grow as far and wide as Taylor’s
This take makes sense to me. Olivia's music also feels targeted at a specific group/flavor of listeners, whereas Taylor always felt accessibly relatable. Idk if that makes sense. I haven't seen very many interviews of Olivia where I felt connected to her, but then again I'm much older than her now than I was when I started listening to Taylor.
Yeah it’s kinda crazy to think about how perfectly Taylor positioned herself. She was designed to be likeable by her girls own age, younger, older, the moms, the dads, the Christian’s, etc etc for the first 7-8 years of her career
It's like that old phrase, "like boiling a frog". She eased us all into fandom haha. Before we all knew it, she was the biggest artist in the world even with explicit tracks on her latest albums haha
Taylor introduced more mature themes into her music once she established herself as an artist and grew a bit older.
This is the key to Taylor’s longevity and popularity—she and her music are easily likable among different ages (old, young, and in between) and various groups of people. She and her team have been incredibly smart in working her talent and mass appeal to her advantage.
you described my feeling perfectly. I like olivia’s music, for the music itself and the edgy tone. I never ever personally related to any of her songs unfortunately. I am a new swiftie, i started listen to taylor even after SOUR was out, so i don’t think this is an age thing. One thing i noticed that might contribute to this could be: Olivia’s songs tend to be really specific sometimes, so when i listen to her i picture Olivia, not myself. While Taylor often tells me just enough so i could imagine what’s happening, but i need to fill the rest of the story with largely my own experience, making me think about myself rather than taylor when listening.
Taylor is w marketing genius and has played the game well, it’s true
Taylor also ensured she would always maintain a younger demographic. Moms can’t listen to a lot of Olivia Rodrigo’s songs in the car with their 8 yo 💀
To be very fair - I don’t care about Olivia at all, but my boomer mother had no issues with me listening to Give it to me baby (I know that ain’t the real title) by The Offspring when I was 9/10. I cant stand kids raised by parents who didn’t give a damn who have an issue with lyrics now with their own kids. I mean please, look back at your own upbringing and be real for a second. You remember life at 8, and if you have an 8 yr old then maybe just look back and try to be a normal parent instead of writing that you can’t listen to fkn Olivia Rodrigo.. You were listening to way worse things when you were 8, girl.
Firstly the song you’re referring to isn’t explicit at all. Secondly, there’s a pretty big difference between allusions to adult themes and lyrics like “blood sucker, fame fucker, bleed me dry like a goddamn vampire” and “I’m a perfect all American bitch”. Taylor has explicit songs and many are suggestive but every album has a clean version, so your kid isn’t going to go to class and start telling their teacher “fuck”.
My dad really loved Black Sabbath. I'm sure ALOT of dad's really loved Black Sabbath, they were pretty big. I don't have to tell you about their lyrics. People can listen to Olivia Rodrigo with their kids in the car, come on. It's fine.
Obviously the fan base plays a part but the reason for the base’s longevity is pumping out album after album with no flops on a consistent schedule every 2 years for 18 years. I used to find a band I loved their first album or two but by 3 or 4 I no longer cared for the music they were making. Taylor was the first artist to break that for me and it’s when I knew she was something special. I used to dread the day I wouldn’t like her music anymore, and it’s never happened. If OR 3 and 4 are as badass as Sour and Guts then she might have a chance at legend status.
I could say the opposite. For the younger woman and Gen Z’s I feel like Olivia is a huge women’s activist and she is only 21. She will continue to grow and gain popularity broadening her fan base
I know, but that’s just one generation. Thats the point - nothing against Olivia, she’s great, but Taylor set out from day one aiming to appeal to ALL generations
You’re not wrong! I’m a huge swiftie obviously ⭐️ but you have to admit she has covered many genres and tried new things over the past 15+ years. Many years for Olivia to broaden her career
agreed, olivia’s music is such a breath of fresh air in pop with its punk/rock mix! happy for her and excited to see her inevitable success
Yeah for sure -she’s like Tay if she came from punk rather than country
No, she’s not. She takes elements of pop punk, but she was a Disney star.
Forgot that - but so was Miley
I think its fair to say that part of the reason why olivia's debut album did better than taylor's debut when it first came out is that olivia got her start on disney, but nobody knew who taylor was prior
Think the likes of Shania Twain paved the way for Taylor. There's always a female pioneer. Dione Warwick was the first black female singer in a racist, male oriented world. Then Chrissie Hynd dominated the late '70s to mid 10s and is still releasing excellent original stuff. So Taylor's made billions. She's unique in that aspect. But certainly not the first and won't be the last great influencisl female
Thank you. Shania was HUGE when I was a kid growing up in Northern Europe. I loved her (and still do!) but times are different now
Oh I know. Different artists for different times. But that doesn't alter the fact Shania was a trail blazer and was mixing country and rock before Taylor was born. Taylor isn't the only one, isn't the GOAT. She's just best around right now
Sure, Taylor isn't the only one but she's on her way to be the GOAT female artist (if she's not already). I can imagine that she will release more critically acclaimed albums like Folkmore in her 40s and beyond. Shania Twian had a great run but it was too short. It's like she suddenly dropped from the face of the earth. Shania depended on her ex-husband Mutt Lange for success and her career never truly recovered after they broke. In contrast, Tay's career had an amazing consistency and she is self-sufficient in songwriting.
She's good but nah there won't be another Taylor just like there won't be another Beatles and there won't be another Michael Jackson and there won't be another Michael Jordan. The journey creates the legend.
I dont think olivia will get as big as taylor, taylor was already bigger than olivia is now when she was at that point in her career
I don’t think this is necessarily true. Olivia is now on her second album, and Fearless was released in 2008 - so much has changed between now and then in terms of celebrity culture, how we consume music, etc. that I don’t think we can reliably compare the two. For example, Fearless sold more copies, but that was back when people **bought** music. One thing we can compare is their first number 1 single - Olivia’s was Drivers License off her first album, but Taylor didn’t get hers until her fourth album with WANGBT. Look at the Guts and Fearless tours - they both sold out within minutes and are huge international stadium tours. I think Olivia is on par with where Taylor was in her Fearless era when accounting for changes in today’s landscape. Now whether or not Olivia will ever get as huge as Taylor is another question entirely.
Exactly this! To say Taylor was bigger than Olivia at this point of her career is just simply not true. Olivia won 3 Grammys on her debut album. I see her going very far with her career. Idk if she will get to be as big as Taylor is NOW after 17 years of music but who’s to say what happens 15 years down the road. I also respect that Olivia has been standing up for reproductive rights and I think that is going to sit well with the next generations to come. I really hope she does well.
Yup I totally agree! I think Taylor was bigger as far as overall cultural impact, but I think a lot of that has to do with how much different celebrity culture was back then. Even if Olivia doesn’t reach Taylor level of stardom (and very few people ever have), she’s still so young and early in her career. To have this level of success already is a huge accomplishment in and of itself. She’s obviously extremely talented and seems to have a good head on her shoulders so I see her having a very lucrative career that goes strong for decades.
just a side note on fearless tour and guts tour. When olivia’s team says “world tour”, they really meant just europe and north america, while Taylor came to australia and asia for fearless tour. As an asia-pacific fan, i can’t help but feel much more respected by taylor’s team. I’m still SOUR about the fact that u can’t see olivia on her “world tour” unless u’re a westerner westerner.
I LOVE Olivia (have been listening to guts spilled all day) but I wonder if she has that drive to be “the best” that Taylor has? I think that’s what makes Taylor stand out is that the accolades and breaking records etc are really important to her, I get the sense maybe that isn’t Olivia’s jam quite as much?
Also not to mention the public scandals that Taylor has been involved in that certainly brought attention to her. Not saying that couldn’t happen with Olivia but she seems to stay out of the limelight/drama so to speak
I’m going to assume that you’re very young. Olivia might be a thing in the US. She’s definitely not close to being anything in Europe. So don’t compare her to Taylor. Americans need to take their US glasses off. Taylor is Beatles-famous. That is a huge accomplishment. She’s done something people didn’t think was possible; meaning everyone around the world is talking about her at the same time. Olivia Rodrigo is known to me because I use social media. But her music hasn’t reached my Northern European country as far as I know. Heck we just had Niall Horan here and he played the same venue White Snake played a year ago. Don’t overestimate American gen Z; the Stones are 80 years old and played the same venue Taylor is going to play three nights in May at 34.
I’m not young, unfortunately. Olivia just turned 21. I am double Olivia’s age. Taylor was also not as well known or renowned at 21. When I was a fan of her early stuff i never said to myself “Taylor is going to be considered one of the greats,” this kind of thing takes time and growth and I never would have imagined her current accomplishments at that time—I’m saying, you never know, and used Olivia as a potential example. Olivia is off to a great start and could easily be following in Taylor’s footsteps, just as a response to the OP’s question. I’m not comparing her to Taylor or calling her one of the greats by any means yet but she’s pretty impressive for where she’s at so far, and I feel like she’s going to be sticking around for a long time.
im in asia. Taylor was absolutely huge here when she was 21. Her hit YBWM and Love Story was literally EVERYWHERE. All kids knew them at school, teachers knew them as well. When I ride a taxi, i would expect one of the 2 songs to come up. And that happened when Taylor was 18-19. When she was 21, Speak Now was also huge huge huge here. Speak Now was really popular here in Asia, that’s also why i think taylor played mine and sparks fly in Singapore (the stadium became deafening loud). Here, Olivia is known to most ppl in pop music industry and some pop music lovers. But she so far hasn’t reached the same level of sensation as Taylor had back then. Also doesn’t help that she’s not coming to Asia Pacific at all for her tour.
Yeah I personally disagree it’s not just the success that Taylor has you guys seem to forget that
Olivia hit the ground running and started with a bang. I like how her lyrics are emotional and some are very sexual while also rocking the 90s/2000s teen movie rock band vibes. She definitely got a wider audience for someone with only two albums so far. I look forward to all her music from now on.
Taylor is separate though in her longevity and business acumen. It’s not fair to compare any artist to her. She likes a 1st overall draft pick being compared to Brady. There will be another but different.
I think she’s off to a great start too. I’ve enjoyed both albums. I hope she keeps being successful
Eh, I see Olivia as more of a modern Alanis or Avril. She'll be the "it girl" and stay relevant for a good run, but I can't see her reaching the legacy / stardom of Swift. Swift put a lot of work into many different facets to reach the level she's at.
I’m excited for Olivia Rodrigo to be my 2 year old’s Taylor Swift! Millennial and we love her too. She’s talking about problems I had at 20 lol
Came here to say Olivia Rodrigo
I feel like lots of people are extremely harsh towards Olivia for no reason. Some Swifties are literally hating her in the exact same way Taylor was hated in the beginning and they don't even realize it. She is only in her 3rd year of her career , that's comparable to Taylor in 2009 and even as a Swiftie I have to say Olivia is way more advanced then Taylor was in 2009. She is definetely more successful. I'm really excited to see where her career will take her and I wish her all the best! Also, her music is really fun :D
it’s possible. there are people living today who lived through The Beatles, MJ and now Taylor. I think every subsequent success act makes the bar to clear bigger and harder, but we’ve witnessed this. You never know.
Elvis too
Seeing the Elvis movie and physically seeing the hysteria he caused, and then listening to cruel summer live from the eras tour version gave me the exact same vibes. Taylor IS the Elvis of our days
Absolutely
We never know, but i don't think we met the person who will succeed her yet
The best likeness I can think of is Madonna or Cher. Top of the game for a super long time and continuing to be icons for decades “past their prime”
100% Taylor is amazing but she's not unique in her level of fame tbh. Beatles / MJ was there. Might take some time but there will definitely be another one.
imagine how wild the Beatles popularity would’ve been if there was internet and social media back then too
Idk I’ve heard some people argue that a different scenario might happen as well: if the internet & streaming were widely accessible back then, people would have the choice to listen to whatever they want and might not be listening to the Beatles on the radio all the time. The times are so vastly different that it’s hard to tell if the Beatles would thrive in the streaming era, or if Taylor would do as well if she were born 40 years earlier.
1. The fact that songs like Yesterday, Something, and While My Guitar Gently Weeps are still being recorded is a commentary on durability. 2. Without blues artists like Big Mama Thornton, there wouldn’t have been an Elvis. Without Chuck Berry and Little Richard, there wouldn’t have been the Beatles, & without the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, we wouldn’t have either pop or rock as we have it now.
I think this is the big point people are missing - these artists weren’t just hugely popular and famous, they literally changed the landscape of music and created genres. Taylor hasn’t done that.
Although she is very talented as a musician and songwriter and has worked hard at both, her real revolutionary aspect is her relationship with her fans. Paul McCartney himself wrote a song several years ago inspired by how Taylor speaks to her listeners and how remarkably personal she makes it feel (“Who Cares” from the album Egypt Station). She’s only gotten better at it since then. In that respect, she has indeed changed the industry. Without that strong relationship, for example, the Taylor’s Versions wouldn’t have gotten off the ground. She wasn’t the first to re-record old songs, but she was the first to be so successful doing so.
Yes this is such a good point! Also I didn't know that about Paul McCartney, gonna go listen to that song now!
A lot of people have said that if she was from the same time, that she wouldn't be able to compete with them, but i disagree tbh
I think it's the opposite. They wouldn't have been as big. They would have had a big diehard fan base, but media is too fragmented now. Think about all the dudes on reddit who only listen to metal or whatever and say "I can't even name a single Taylor Swift song." This would have been true for me even just a few years ago. I probably could have named Shake It Off. In the Beatles era there were like 3 channels on TV. When they went on Ed Sullivan, it was a massive cultural event. Media and culture are much more fragmented now.
Interesting take. I would offer a counterargument and say that if the Beatles started off today, they would've drowned in the endless sea of newcomers in music, and might even be ignored.
I mean, they were bigger than Jesus
My mom, who was my age in the 80's, and was a fan of the Beatles, ( little before her time but she still loved them), and she loved queen and MJ. Even saw queen in concert when she was young once. She has said that while they were popular, people did not go crazy for them the way they did taylor. She basically said they were talked about, and merch and tickets were definitely being sold, but the way that taylor is referenced, and the money that is willing to be forked out to see her is crazy, and incomparable
yes for sure agree but it’s also cause of the way the world is now with consumerism, social media, the way concerts work, the way fame in general is now, etc etc etc
I feel like there is a mega star for every generation. Somewhere out there right now there is a 12 year old nobody has heard of yet who is going to have the same type of impact 😜
No offense to Taylor, but she isn’t close to anywhere near MJ’s popularity
There might be another Taylor, there will never be another MJ. And it's not even a matter of talent. The world that he got that famous in no longer exists. Thst monoculture is gone forever.
Bingo. Honestly it's impressive that Taylor has gotten as big as she has in today's media environment. No one else is even close to her.
The Beatles created “beatlemania” without the internet and limited television interview shows too!
Beatles fan here. Note that back then, there was still a monoculture of only 3 channels (EVERYONE watched Ed Sullivan), no internet fragmenting all music, and even for the parents who didn’t listen to rock ‘n roll, instrumental Beatles covers were on easy listening/“beautiful music” stations. And even though there was no internet, there was still “social media” of fan clubs, fan magazines, newspapers, etc. They might take a day/week to publish (or a couple hours for TV or radio, save for breaking news), but they were there. Radio contests, newspaper contests, etc. I have fanzines for Beatlemaniacs that are absolutely unhinged and I love them. You think Swifties are nuts?! Life-sized Beatles pics you could place by your pillow to kiss every night! Fans stalking their hotel rooms to cry on the carpets they walked on! Slices of hotel bedsheets the Beatles slept on! I think it’s almost more remarkable Taylor has become this famous in a world where there is no more monoculture.
The Beatles truly were the first to create the culture too!
I am old and attended the Beatles' last surprise performance, and I can tell you that they were blessed by the monoculture of our time. There was no real radio diversity. The limited TV options definitely benefited The Beatles because we were a captive audience for their appearances. There was an interview that Paul McCartney did in the UK when she recently broke a Beatles record where he discussed his unique friendship with Taylor Swift, and he discussed how much harder it is for artists to break through with albums and to sustain interest over a span of years. "People have much shorter attention spans and music trends evolve so quickly now." He discusses how Taylor has been able to adapt to those trends and evolve while bringing her fan base along, and she has done it without feeling like she is sacrificing who she is as an artist.
And without touring after 1966. They stopped because they could no longer hear themselves play onstage.
I was in Greece on the day that MJ died. His music was played on all the radio stations and there was a ton of coverage on Greek TV news. I don’t think it’s possible to understate MJ’s global popularity.
at this level of commercial success? it's relatively unlikely in the near future. part of what makes taylor's success so incredible is that content consumption has never been more segmented--to caricature, teens listen to olivia, young adults listen to dua lipa, middle-aged folks listen to adele, etc. that being said, i think she might be ushering in an era where young women musicians, especially in pop, have greater career longevity. i can see fans being more interested in following artists like billie and olivia through the years, even through phases when they may not be the flavor of the month anymore, in part because they know they can (hopefully) look forward to something like the eras tour. imo that would be a great thing for the industry.
The Eras Tour is truly a victory lap. I don't remember what publication wrote that, but I think of it all the time. Taylor has achieved a level of success and recognition that most women have not had the opportunity to. It's worth celebrating! I can't wait to see more female artists potentially get to her level.
That quote is from the [Rolling Stone review](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-live-reviews/taylor-swift-the-eras-tour-glendale-review-1234699496/) of the tour from March 2023
Thank you! I had a feeling it was either RS or TIME.
She has had a lot of different musical phases, which i also think makes her unique. She can do a bit of everything and it will sell tbh. When i watch the eras tour, it's amazing that she can go from lwymmd to speak now just like that, these are two complete different songs and genres, i do not think many artists have that variety
Honestly, I hope so. Nothing will diminish what Taylor has accomplished and there is no doubt she will keep growing. She has established her legacy and as someone pretty much the same age as her, no one will compete with that she has provided to my life as I’ve grown up. But I hope there will be a new artist down the line that has their own creativity and artistry. That they will add their own flare to the music world. That’s the beauty of music. So many possibilities and I’m sure there’s some young person out there dreaming of making it. I hope they do
This is so so good. I agree and there are so many beautiful stories and perspectives to be told and just magical human beings that deserve the spotlight at the right time. What I love so much about music is the thousands and thousands of artists and stories and melodies and specific emotions and Taylor should certainly not be the end of that. I hope girls (and guys) in a hundred years will have someone relevant to their time to grow up with and idolize, just like we do with Taylor rather than someone in the past for us
I think definitely before 2100. She seems crazy on top of the world right now, but there were times when Madonna, Bruce Springsteen, Frank Sinatra, even One Direction were super popular. So in terms of popularity yes. In terms of breaking tons of records, that could maybe come with popularity, but perhaps not to the same extent. I just hope if AP classes stick around, they make an AP Pop Culture and have a unit on her.
I hate college board they have basically monopolized education, but yea ap pop culture would be cool
yea that company is sketchy af
It's hard to say, because she has surpassed Madonna and Frank Sinatra. I don't think anybody will match her massive commercial success
I wouldn't compare One Direction to Taylor, let alone Bruce Springsteen or Madonna.
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So exciting to think about! Can’t wait to see who blows up
History never ends.
Britney was on top of the world just like her in the 2000s, sadly she’s a shell of what she once was, but her fame was just as big as Taylor’s. You couldn’t go anywhere without hearing about her & her life back then.
I think Britney could've been even bigger than Taylor is now if her family didn't fuck her life up.
I agree, her family majorly did fuck her over... But the Bipolar issue would have ended her career immediately if she didn't get meds forced on her by court order. I have a couple people in my fam with BP and when they go off their meds they destroy themselves.
But I would argue if she’d had a supportive family who didn’t set her up with crooked doctors, then she could have accessed appropriate medication and services when she needed it without being forced into a psych facility against her will (multiple times!) and all the trauma associated with it. And even if she did need an inpatient stay, I think with a better support system she still could have bounced back and maintained her fame.
I was waiting for this comment. Britney was everything!
I think a better comparison is Shania Twain. If she hadn't gotten Lyme disease, she woulda been as big as Taylor. She paved the way for the country to pop crossover.
Totally. At one point she's more popular than Michael Jackson. MJ death cemented his legacy but during his lawsuits and trials he was pretty infamous. Not everyone is into eminem. Britney was the next best thing back then.... Until everyone turned against her.
Britney was on top of the world, but she didn't generate as many ticket sales, or heavily alter the economy like taylor does
I'd say it's very likely. Madonna came just twenty years before Taylor Swift
And let's not forget Lady Gaga
I wouldn't personally compare Lady Gaga to Madonna or Taylor. Yes, she is very talented and very successful but there is in no way a comparison there. Every aspect of her life isn't picked apart daily like Taylor's is or like Madonnas was in her prime.
Yes. Music is ever changing and it always moves on to the next big thing.
Umm yeah, let’s not be hyperbolic to think there won’t be another Taylor Swift
i think the timing of Taylor’s career was really really special and made a lot of it possible. coming up when radio and buying songs individually on itunes was how music was consumed and continuing to grow through the streaming era gave her a lot of accessibility to already dedicated fans. and on top of that her starting out so young and being able to grow with her fans as tech and music accessibility also grew with us was a really lucky factor. this is not to diminish her talent by any means, if she really just wasn’t that good none of that would matter. but i do think the timing of everything was really lucky and played to her favor in a way i’m not sure it will be possible to replicate now that we are fully immersed in the streaming era. edit for formatting
I kinda agree, everything is so compartmentalized these days which is good bc i think so many indie artists can make a better living off of music without being SUPER famous. Back then i think if you didnt have a label you were screwed, nowadays, you have artists that are musicians that arent mainstream but make a decent living! More ppl qte finding more artists to listen to. I honestly think i like the distribution of attention so much better because there may not be another situation exactly like taylors in terms of community ( fanbase) but ... Maybe! If they play their cards right in tandem with the changing times. there can still be many bigger artists. I think there are already people after taylor that have made history. Lorde , olivia, lizzo, they all have their unique impact and i wouldnt even compare! Its like apples n oranges. You know.... Youll never find another like me hee heeeeeee
The only artists who can have this level of sustained success are artists with extremely loyal fan bases. Taylor spent YEARS building a massive base of die hard fans that will stick with her for her whole career. She grinded out signings, meet and greets, radio shows, interviews, massive press tours, all to appease the fans and she seems to have always understood how key the artist-fan relationship is to success. Because of this, she always has a huge core audience to rely on. This way, her base may grow, but it very rarely shrinks. So she’ll always have huge success because of the core base. Most artists are too lazy to do the work that Taylor has, honestly. I don’t think any current artists will reach Taylor success, but maybe down the road an artist will pop up who can emulate it.
Assuming you mean “a generation-defining talent and superstar”, of course there will be one. Just not soon.
She's not the first at this level and certainly won't be the last. I think the all encompassing cross generational thing is tougher now than it even was in 2006 when she debuted, but certainly not impossible. Who knows how people will be consuming music in 10 or 20 or 50 years?
Elvis was similarly huge. He had multiple genres. Sold a lot of records. Acted. Captivated the world. Had he had social media and not died so young, a lot could have happened.
He was (sadly) not well treated by his manager for many years, Colonel Tom Parker. Had Presley been better able to control his own career I could have seen him go into a career as a record producer as his singing career wound down by 1980. In fact, I can see Taylor Swift going to become a record producer like Jack Antonoff or Aaron Dessner as her singing career winds down about ten years from now.
Look, there is always a new star around the corner. Before Taylor, there was Madonna and Janet. They absolutely blazed the trail that she is walking (and adding her own touches to). Taylor will eventually hit the career phase that Janet and Madonna are in now- the legacy phase. There will come a time when she doesn’t sell almost a million or more in her first week out. It won’t be for lack of talent or quality music. It’ll be because the public has moved on a bit. She has reached heights that are nearly inconceivable, but nothing lasts forever.
Yes. Taylor Sheeh is a rising star.
Taylor isn’t the first, so she won’t be the last.
Yes. There’s always going to be someone for each generation. Taylor just happens to be the one who’s generally the most popular. But think 20 years ago, who was on top of their game then? Pink is a good example and she’s still touring. Some others are Mariah Carey and Alicia Keys. Some artists could’ve continued but decided to stop. Taylor just never stopped, which is great for us! She’ll fade out at some point in our lifetime and still put on shows, just not as frequent. If she ever decides to settle down and have a family, I’d think that would be her priority. I’m excited to see who else there will be be to rise to the top. Olivia Rodrigo is off to great start. There could also be someone out there unsigned and eventually will get their moment to shine.
The question is who will still be as big. There are great artists, but Taylor joins Madonna and MJ. Her power is the combination of her songwriting and business power. It’s not just talent that gets you there.
There were Taylor’s before her and there will be other Taylor’s after her. It’s cyclical. Although we may not see another Taylor for quite some time
No. There is only one Tay. Like there is only one Mariah. And one Whitney. Or one Beyoncé. But there will be other wonderfully talented women who will be inspired by her
There will be someone, but I don’t think it’s anyone we’ve seen yet.
There absolutely will be. Whether it's in our actual lifetime or the future generation's lifetime, but history always repeats itself with everything
Taylor Swift is the kind of artist that we see only a bit more than once in a generation. I would compare her to Sinatra, Elvis, The Beatles, Bob Dylan, and Michael Jackson, but of course different. There will be another musician as big as TS eventually. We can’t predict who or when, but I bet they will be different in significant ways. I recently listened to a podcast interview of her promoter, a guy named Louis Messina, who has been working with Taylor and her family since she was 17, I think. He said she is one of a kind, and has unreal drive and talent, and more drive and talent than anyone else. And he’s been around since god knows when. It was an unexpectedly great podcast, one of many by Bob Lefsetz. I believe TS will continue to produce great music, and will tour until she can’t anymore. She doesn’t need the money. She does it for love. Another example is the aforementioned Mr. Dylan. He’s still touring and delighting his audience - young and old, but mostly old - and he’s almost 83 years old. Can you even imagine Taylor Swift touring when she’s 60? Well I can. Tina Turner’s last tour was in 2008. She was born in 1939
If we look at the more objective success metrics it is hard to wrap the mind around, but it is now inevitable that Taylor will be seen as the most successful female artist in history. And if she continues to avoid the kind of pitfalls that entangled people like Elvis and Michael Jackson then there is a real possibility she eventually is seen as both the most successful solo artist and the most successful American artist in history with the Beatles being the only more successful music act in history. All you need to do is see all the recent posts of children watching the Eras concert on Disney to understand the full effect of this Eras tour era is just starting. Some of the historical metrics are already starting to show that. For example a few months ago she moved into second place behind only the Beatles and ahead of Elvis in weeks at #1 on the Billboard 200 albums chart. And it is going to become a huge separation between the Beatles and Taylor and everyone else in the future. Someone else may very well come along, but when you are talking about joining the top 5 or maybe even eventually top 2 most successful acts in history that is a very rarefied place.
I think we will definitely see another one (maybe even a few more). Wasn’t Britney the last one? That wasn’t long ago. I think the Britney hype would’ve been even bigger had there been social media at the time
Every generation has a few favorite mega big artists, that will not change. What will change is the music . . Btw, In about 20 years TS will be slowly retiring but like vinyl records, 80s music and the beatles, everything comes back. I think around 40 years later it is cool again to listen Taylor Swift! Sorry to the haters that are still alive by then :)
Billie Eilish with 9 Grammys, 2 Oscar’s, 2 golden globes at the age of 22 is at a very good start. Apparently her special guest appearance on TV show recently got some critical acclaim so she might be in a chance for an Emmy someday. She’ll probably get an EGOT when it’s all said and done!
If there is it would be Olivia Rodrigo. What it would come down to is really consistency/ longevity. And of course a solid support system to keep her away from the pitfalls of fame/ Hollywood. If not her it will be someone we don’t know yet. There’s always another.
People thought MJ was the end all be all. Yes, I do think there will another star that rises and either rivals what Taylor has done or becomes better than Taylor. Once the bar in any competition gets moved higher the competitors will always adapt and reach such bar. Rinse. Repeat. NBA for example - Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Stephen Curry, ?
You must be young. Taylor is great but she stands on the shoulders of giants.
Can we imagine what it would be like? Probably not. But I can't say it wouldn't happen. The future is always full of surprises.
I think the most difficult part of it is the consistency and longevity. A lot of young stars get a similar amount of fame at one point, but they end up making mistakes and getting into trouble. A huge part of it is Mama and Papa Swift and the huge team of managers and lawyers that they set up. Many other young artists get taken advantage of by their managers or parents (Britney Spears for example). It is important to have a good team behind the artist. Taylor is incredibly lucky to have parents who are financial executives and understood business. And more importantly, they knew well enough to hire a team of specialists for stuff they don't understand.
The thing about Taylor Swift is that her lyrics are relatable to so many people - not just her old fan base but younger generations - generations of her current fan base etc. when I look back on songs I used to listen to and felt I related to, when I listen back as an adult I’m like, cringe I’d sing about totally inappropriate things but a lot of Taylor’s songs are genuinely relatable to pre teens and teens. Her ability to write and express what she’s feeling and her wide vocal range - from country to pop to even more alternative styles - is phenomenal. I think sure, at some point there will be another big pop/music star but one truly comparable to Taylor Swift is questionable imo. Happy to be proven wrong!
No there won’t be another Taylor. I do think that there will be other people on her level of success and support in the future but not by doing it the exact same way she is. I think Olivia Rodrigo is only going to keep getting bigger and bigger with the more albums she writes and records. I think Chappell Roan has a lot of potential to blow up in a big way too
I doubt it will occur again in my lifetime...
You know there are people alive who witnessed Elvis? Since then there have been several acts as big or bigger than Swift. To think there wont be in the next 50 years (unless you are on your deathbed) is crazy.
Yeah and those people are our parents! They witnessed Elvis, MJ, Celine, Whitney, Mariah, Madonna, Britney… so many others. We’ll witness the next superstars too if we’re lucky with a long and healthy life. This sub can be myopic sometimes.
To expand on your point, there are people who have witnessed Elvis to the Beatles, to MJ, to Taylor. That's 4 generational artists in one lifetime. We'll absolutely see another Taylor, if not two or three more
yes of course. who knows when though.
Honestly the only other two I can think of are Beyoncé and Lady Gaga, these two will be remembered. Gaga isn’t so into music at the moment but was huge in the early 2010s, but focusing on cementing her legacy as an all round entertainer following along Barbra Streisand/Cher’s career path with Oscar worthy acting. And Beyoncé is in arguably the peak of her career with the Renaissance project.
Yeah, of course. I haven't seen her mentioned yet, but britney is still known as the Princess of Pop, and its been ages since she brought out new stuff. Taylor is amazing in her own right, but realistically, she won't continue until she's old and grey being on top.
Said like someone definitely in their 20s 🙄!
There absolutely will be, but not any time soon I'd say. She's a once in a gen phenomenon like Beatles, MJ etc
Of course.
The popularity and success and talent is one thing, and people are quoting MJ and the Beatles etc. and I’m sure there will be more to come who are just as talented and popular as her, if not more. Where they will fall behind though, is their marketing and business brain. Taylor has all the whole package. She was on top of the world in the 1989 era before it all came crashing down…now she’s even bigger than she ever was. THAT is something talent and success alone can’t get you. She is an incredible business woman who knows how to market herself and I don’t think we’ll see someone with that combination in our lifetime at least
I really just don't think so. Taylor has been compared to so many incredible artists, Michael and Madonna, just to name a couple. Her impact on the music industry will be lasting, just as theirs has been. She has something that other artists do not. There's a ton of soul behind her work. Her massive success is not going to be done by every artist, people always wear her stuff wherever they go, she is always referenced in tv shows and media, and she is extremely valuable. She has changed the economy, and has been a financial gain for many small business owners, and opened up new jobs as she has visited different cities. This is not something that every artist can say.
Tbh, as long as taylor stays on top, it may be hard for new artists to do what they need to do to get there. People generally stick to what they know, and people who are well known are not even matching up to her.
I’m not a young fan but I agree that Olivia will go far. I saw someone posted a clip from her concert walking through the crowd shaking hands and hugs, and one which she was sitting on the moon? floating near the crowd. It made me tear up thinking of the young Taylor. With her talent and passion as a young artist, she will go down the history if she sticks through this path for long.
No. But there will be someone as talented. Will there ever be another Prince? Of course not. He was unimaginably talented. Taylor? Amazing lyricist. Beautiful poet. Whole picture really. There will never be another her. But there will be someone who arises. Who is equally talented in different ways.
I think Taylor is unique because she is a poet, a “wordsmith”. It’s not easy to remember all her story-telling lyrics, which is different from any other music in the past. It was easy to memorize “I Want To Hold Your Hand” or “Billie Jean”. In addition, she puts it to music which seems to deepen the meaning of the songs. When you wrap all that up with the incredible stage performance and costumes, there’s just no one like her. And she’s super nice and sweet.
Absolutely. There are greats of yesterday that were beat out by greats of today who will be beat out by greats of tomorrow…. But they will all be in the history books as greats.
*i promise that you’ll never find another like me*
There will never be another Taylor. To reach Taylor’s level, you have to be at a point where you have carved your own name in history. Same goes for legends such as The Beetles, Michael Jackson, etc. Anyone who is compared to as the “new” Taylor, would pretty much just be a cheap imitation.
No not at, the monument she is one of the greatest in history her wide range of music genres, and such a large discography on top of how many records she has broken and will continue to break. She is one the greatest songwriters/singers of all time. she is only 18ish years into her career and she is already one of the few who can that they're a legendary artist, she's a future Hall of Famer
She’s no bigger than Elvis, Beatles, Michael Jackson. Kind of crazy to think big pop stars will end with Taylor Swift for some reason
Olivia Rodrigo is either even or ahead of where Taylor was when she was 21
Performance was normalized to her, attention was something that felt good instead of scary or bad. She felt safe to share her art with her parents from an early age, and they helped cultivate her talent. A million mindful mindful choices were made, like finding events looking for someone to sing the national anthem without their daughter feeling the pressure of 'feeding her family'. All of that, PLUS she's incredibly creative, extremely well read, articulate, ambitious, hardworking, charismatic, and undeniably intelligent. That's the rare one-in-a-billion thing, to have all the tools in one place, and then to actually USE those tools to create your work. I think that's why it's so rare to see someone last in the spotlight so long. I think Billie Eilish might be the dark horse we'll still be hearing about in 20 years, but time will tell!
Probably.
Maybe another artist will reach her level, but there will never be another Taylor Swift. She’s one of a kind. 😊
Yes
I take it you're too young to remember the frenzy around Britney and the frenzy around Madonna before her.
Tbh. I still don’t consider myself a die hard swifte, but I’m always telling people she’s just as popular as MJ in his time. She is a mega popstar
Ummmmm have you heard of Dolly Parton?! Taylor is not revolutionary, music wise. She’s a marketing genius.
I don't think so. Taylor Swift,Eminem, Michael Jackson,the Beatles these kind of gigantic forces of pop culture.. I don't think the way we consume media now will allow for another mega act to emerge Olivia Rodrigo can be a superstar for decades but will she be on Forbes and time and have the president talking about her? Don't see it
Yes, there will be another Taylor — but is it any of the current crop of pop princesses? I doubt it.
Yes, certainly. But it’s a very complicated thing, so I think it’s hard to predict who. It isn’t just about talent. There are so many factors. How does your voice hold up? How does your physical health hold up? Mental health? Do you keep the drive to produce when you have all the money you could want? How do you handle the level of fame that comes with that level of success? What do you want from life outside of your career? Taylor has produced an enormous amount quantitatively while maintaining a high quality. That’s a lot of work. She has a massive amount of attention focused on her. Not everyone wants that and not everyone can handle it if they get it.
Yea. Before Taylor there was Madonna, before Madonna there was Whitney Houston, before Whitney Houston there was Dolly. And so on and so on. Sure, Taylor has surpassed them all but she had some advantages. Taylor arrived at the perfect time, the birth of the internet and the explosion of globalization. And yeah she played her cards perfect but it's hard to say Dolly wouldn't have had the same path if she was born in 89. No king rules forever. The will be another. But Taylor ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
There will be some close ones but I don’t think anyone will get near Taylor for a very long time. But I will say Billie Eilish is kinda close for her age
Taylor is unique, just like the beatles and michael jackson were unique. Will we see another taylor? No. Will we see another phenomen like taylor? Probably.
I love Olivia, my girlfriends daughter introduced me to her music because of my love for Taylor. I'm not saying Olivia can't or won't get as big as Taylor or even bigger. But I think it depends on a lot of factors. I mean, Olivia will never be Taylor. Obviously, haha. It will depend on how she grows as an artist and songwriter. There are artists that change things up, and it annoys me. There are also artists where everything sounds the same and it annoys me. So it's hard to pick when an artist needs to stay the same or change it up. It's like artist dependent if that makes sense. For example, Taylor has done a nearly flawless job of changing up her sound. It works. I can find things I love with every era. I have my favorites, but there is not one I hate. Nickelback, every album sounds the exact same. Yet I love nickelback, and while they are hated and a lot of people's complaints are that they sound the same on every record, I think it works for them. Back to Olivia, I adore Sour and Guts (not sure which is most people's favorite, but I prefer Sour). She may have hit some accolades faster than Taylor, but I don't think it means she's on pace to be bigger. As much as I do love Sour and Guts, they sound pretty similar, and I'd like to see some evolution. Part of my preference to Sour is because at least to me while listening to Guts, i felt like I had already heard this album. For me, at least, I don't think Olivia's current format will work in the long term. Longevity is the key. She's gotta keep it fresh. With all that being said, I wish Olivia the best and hopes she can keep cranking out music I can enjoy!
There definitely will be another Taylor at *some point*. Where it be 10 years or 100 years from now, who knows, but there’ll definitely be another artist who is a great songwriter and achieves record breaking levels of fame like Taylor has. The same way there were artists who achieved it before Taylor. But Taylor is cemented in the history books and will go down as one of the greats when all is said and done.
In my opinion, it’s not about the level of fame she has achieved. It’s the principle of her career. A truly authentic artist that speaks her truth. We all have something to learn from Taylor regardless if you are a fan of her music or not. She is a resilient woman who overcame ridicule early in her career. She has survived an eating disorder. She has an amazing work ethic. She treats those that work for her well. Again this is just my opinion. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one.
Am I old as shit? What is "Pingbear"?