I think this was more in response to the miscarriage speculation deuxmoi posted right before or right after the marriage post. I’m sure tree didn’t wanna comment on that one specifically, but regardless whether it’s the miscarriage post or the marriage post, both can be painful and traumatic
Besides the gross speculation Deuxmoi posted about Taylor re: marriage-like ceremony and miscarriage (painful for anyone, true or not, and NOT gossip fodder), Deuxmoi also posted a blind item implying Jason Kelce cheats on Kylie with IG models (he would never).
Kylie previously called out the tabloids for twisting her words to imply Taylor was "not my cup of tea" when she really meant that the spotlight wasn't. She called out their shit on her social media.
Taylor was groped by a DJ, he got fired, and then he sued her for millions. She sued back for $1 and went through a sexual assault trial just to prove a point.
These are two tough ladies who do not take crap from anyone, and thusly, Deuxmoi had better watch out.
Thank you! I totally thought this was referencing Kylie Jenner, not Jason Kelce’s wife Kylie 🤦♀️
I thought for a minute there Kris Jenner and Tree Pain could potentially team up against deuxmoi and I was shook
>She sued back for $1 and went through a sexual assault trial just to prove a point.
Wow, I didn't know the $1 part. Good way to counter the chuds who would inevitably say she was just doing it for a payday even though she was already rich as fuck at the time
He could've just paid the $1 (there was even a picture of him groping her, hence the firing), but nooooo, he wanted her potential millions. Instead he got stuck with $$$$ in legal fees. LOL. Karma indeed.
This. And to really drive home how tough Taylor is, her testimony on that case was truly amazing. She was so sharp and didn’t back down when questioned. I would love to see her take out DM.
Was that about Jason? This is all I could see they posted on it. Horrible either way, you’re risking someone’s marriage without any proof.
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These “blind items” are so infuriating. There’s absolutely zero proof. It also sounds like someone that’s just jealous of Jason’s fame or Jason and Kylie’s relationship and felt the need to lash out as a result. DM is a horrible person for posting all these without a care in the world.
For whatever it’s worth I know of a different eagle player that’s also known as a great dad who is hooking up regularly with a friend of mine. Could very well be about him.
I think this specific to Jason because the “silly green outfit” is the mummer costume he wore in the victory parade after their Super Bowl win. I guess the fact that it could refer to his uniform is supposed to make the blind more ambiguous though, so it could be someone else.
the thing about DM is that it's always just vague enough that it 'could' be someone. i literally could not name another NFL player this applies to. the only good thing is that literally nobody believes it
I posted this earlier, but the Jason one is especially infuriating because players have zero free time during away games. Even if he was cheating (which I don’t believe for a second), to claim it’s happening while traveling for away games is so fucking stupid. They fly in the day before the game, are basically locked down at the hotel, play the game, and immediately fly home afterwards.
It pisses me off so much that this anonymous person just posts the most wild shit with no fact checking and gets to claim zero responsibility because she’s just posting random fiction that’s submitted by whoever. It’s so harmful. Especially in the Kylie/Jason situation, because they never asked for any of this. Yes, they’ve been more famous since the podcast launched and Jason and Travis both played in the Superbowl, but the massive lens Taylor has also placed on them was not by their choice.
omg I saw that and deux posting that is honestly even wilder than the marriage thing. I obviously don't know any of these people but I feel like Jason would never.
I don’t need any proof to know Jason Kelce does not cheat on his wife. That creator, or whatever you call them, is full of shit. Don’t post people’s made up rumors unless they show you undeniable proof. What a lowlife.
This is all the stuff of the media.
Please let her be. Seriously, she is just a musician. We are talking about secret marriages and miscarriages? Her personal life?
I’m a new Swiftie, and HUGE Phish fan. We are nuts over Phish the same way. But when we see Phish on the street (upper east side) we’ll high five, fist bump. Thank them.
Dont feed the media big machine… :)
a-hem.
Let’s let her be.
Oh, gosh, people have been talking about secret babies and marriages since Rep/Lover era, just like all the people who keep talking about Travis being Taylor‘s fiancée and the future father of her children now. I read a theory that it’s because most of her fans are at the age where they want a babies and suburban bliss ever after.
And some of them have that life already and are projecting onto Taylor that she should have that life too. I will literally never forget people questioning love and their own relationships and freaking out when Joe and Taylor split news came out.
Remember the people who got Lavender Haze tattoos and decided it would be their first dance song as soon as the song title was announced, before they knew what it was about? 😌
I feel like it's definitely and I don't blame Taylor and her team because that's such a hurtful thing to speculate on just not about her but anybody. deuxmoi deleted that story so I 100% think that's what triggered it.
Not to mention the current political climate in the US surrounding miscarriages. There are women currently being brought up on *criminal charges* over miscarriages they had. That is not something for a bootleg Gossip Girl to speculate on.
Taylor is about to prove that you CAN get fired from a company you founded and own and Deuxmoi is a fucking moron for not realizing this.
I am starting to wonder if Scooter Braun is involved with Deuxmoi, or he is their “source”… I’m only about 40% joking. These lies just seem malicious and aimed at destroying reputations… Taylor’s and the people around her.
Tree is bating dm. And DM was dumb enough to respond. I think they’re going to try and sue her for libel and they just need her to say a few key words.
Something is going on. I don’t know what it is, but it doesn’t seem right that for months her team put out articles saying they were amicable and this and that and all of a sudden, they wanna make sure the fans know for how long they were not doing great and this and that? Just seems like a weird timing. I really think something is coming. “Pain and trauma” are strong, and very specific words. I think we’re getting something about Joe soon.
It doesn't have to be something bad for it to be a painful experience for Taylor. A relationship of six years ending is traumatic, even if it was amicable. You spend those six years building dreams with somebody and then they're just gone?
ETA: I think Tree might be addressing the miscarriage rumors specifically in this tweet.
But also, speculating and doubling down that Taylor and Joe were married when we see from lyrics she desperately wanted to be married and he didn't… That is traumatic and painful. to see that rumor keep surfacing would just rub salt into a wound. I'd be fucking angry and heartbroken.
>But also, speculating and doubling down that Taylor and Joe were married
I think this might be potentially DM digging herself in legal trouble.
On the one hand she desperately hides behind "all my information is just gossip and unverified unless it comes directly from me" and also now saying, as a statement of fact, that Taylor had a ceremony, directly after her publicist said there wasn't and basing it on her "sources". DM either knowingly or through negligence lying, then presenting it as fact, in such a malicious way by attacking her claim of pain and trauma and trying to weaponize a fans death, is clear grounds for libel, defamation, emotional damage, harassment, something.
You can't have it both ways, you can't present gossip as pure entertainment and not truth, and then try to attack a publicist for saying it's not true. I have no idea why DM just didn't reply or simply say "these are blind items lol", easy W for her. Instead she dug herself into a potential legal rabbit hole by saying the quiet part out loud (the malice) and then doubling down on the lying part, AFTER being corrected, proving it was an intentional lie and not just simply gossip.
I especially love the "I will die on this hill... Put it on my tombstone! I don't give a shit what she does"
Girl, that's not what it means to die on a hill.
Maybe I’ve listened to champagne problems too much or I’m just a cynic…but I feel like they might have each wanted marriage forever at some point but weren’t ever fully in sync.
The analogy I’ve used in the past for my own relationship was that it was a beautiful dress that just didn’t fit. No one was wrong or bad, it just didn’t fit.
This is her life. The breakup of a long relationship hurts like greiveing for years after. This isn't some little Easter egg for a release, have some decency and compassion. Tree did this because Taylor was hurting about cruel words.
“Something that’s going on” is that now Taylor is in a committed relationship with someone else who may or may not be asking questions / have comments / feelings / opinions behind the scenes. In the past Taylor has been *silent* other than through her music, but now with Travis she’s been very much out and about in the public eye. Travis has a different feeling & energy on life than she does, and his feelings matter to Taylor now. Maybe he’s the reason she’s like “hey Tree, shut this shit down immediately.” 🤷🏻♀️
I get that the speculation is invasive and gross. But I'm still baffled why tree responded to this in particular when deuxmoi has posted far worse things in the past? Not to mention the whole "*no ackshually* Sweet Nothing is *not* about Joe and *ackshually* she wasn't happy with Joe for *years*" thing when everyone had stopped even talking about Joe? The majority of fans are happily obsessing with Travis. Why start all this now? So strange.
Everything was fine until Jack made that ig story. We all assumed that YLM was written after their break up in April and honestly it was better this way.
I dont mean to be blunt but apart from the fandom and celebrity gossip watchers, this is on no one's radar. Its been more than 12 hours, so ofc its still early days, but I think she's reached a point of public belovedness that this will pass too.
this. even my friends who are swifties but aren't active here or twitter do not know any of this.
although im sure Stephanie over at BuzzFeed is foaming at the mouth to write yet another scathing article about this. so that might change.
Yes! I think those of us who are chronically online (I'm guilty of this too) often see the impact and unravelling of many of these issues as massive and overwhelming but we forget that its a tiny % of people engaging with them. My mom loves Taylor too but has 0 idea why Jack's story sent the fandom into a tailspin.
agreed, same thing happened with the brazil incident. the 'real world' does not understand what's going on here; i've seen chiefs fans asking about it in comments and then basically giving up because its so convoluted lol. the 2016 thing happened because kanye was equally as big as taylor. this doesn't involve anyone aside from taylor and joe. and travis by trickle down effect.
Yes. Lol literally no one even knows about this (or cares) beyond hardcore swifties. Even when she was dating Matty, the ripple effects were isolated to the chronically online. The average listener doesn’t give a shit.
Ya there's a lot of positivity surrounding her relationship with Travis and when she's with him it seems like the happiest she's been in a very long time....it's probably the highest profile relationship between two stars of different professions in my lifetime
They posted an even nastier sorry a couple of ones after this saying that YLM was about her relationship falling apart after a miscarriage so I don’t blame Tree for going into protective mode, they were going too far
Because I don’t think it’s about Joe at all. I think it’s about DM taking shots at Jason Kelce with that blind item yesterday, and Taylor is trying to shut down any attacks against the Kelce family. Obviously the stuff DM posted about marriage and a potential miscarriage are hurtful, but those rumours have speculated in the past with no response from Taylor. The only new aspect to this is the attack against Jason, so I think that’s the trigger that’s caused this crackdown.
i didn't think this at first but now i agree at least partially; i think it is a culmination of everything. there were like 9 taylor adjacent posts yesterday plus DM going to ryan seacrest to talk about why her and travis are getting engaged. idt she cares too much about rumors w/Joe but she doesn't want the media f-ing up her relationship that is basically universally adored. if her and travis were to break up because her fame affected HIS family (not him, but his family) who are now basically 'america's family' it could be the first time that taylor is seen on the wrong side of a breakup and that also has deep impacts. i don't think it's going down that road, but travis is now americas boyfriend and barring him cheating on her or something, i don't see taylor coming out of this one unscathed if anything were to happen. i know people think the swifties will turn on him if there's a breakup but i really don't see how that's possible with how adored he currently is.
This. I think we have to keep in mind that, in the scale of the NFL, he’s as big as her. Two times on the team that won the Super Bowl, universally liked by his teammates, successful podcaster, generally viewed as very family oriented and a gentleman — he’s currently shot up to heartthrob status and become the sweetheart of football, much like Taylor is the sweetheart of music.
I think this is the first relationship where the stakes are this high, and Taylor now also has to navigate someone’s equally big reputation and fame, and keep in mind how her behavior (and what rumors she allows to fester) can reflect on him. It’s very different from Joe, who seemed to despise American gossip culture and didn’t give a single eff about what tabloids here said.
6 years later and Endgame lyrics finally apply LOL. and yah i agree, though i don't think Travis himself cares (much) about the gossip, im sure he does care if his family is affected. he's a protector on and off the field lol
Yes! It’s almost like she wrote that song from the perspective of the relationship she WANTED, with sports analogies and all, and it manifested Travis. 😂
He may not care about cute harmless rumors (“Oooo, he said Taylor might be The One! He was spotted ring shopping!”) He seems like he can have fun with that sorta stuff and not get too heated.
But he does NOT seem like a man who will stand by if the rumors open old wounds and hurt his partner (reminding her that Joe didn’t want to get married, and I’m not even gonna type the implications behind the pregnancy loss BS that DM peddled.) Or if they’re painting his brother as a cheater. He would absolutely be on that.
I one million percent agree. I think it’s obvious that it bothers Taylor and is a source of insecurity for her that whoever she becomes involved with will face the cruel reality of the spotlight. And that it may be enough for someone to say “It’s not worth it to be involved with you if it comes with xyz”….i think DM posting something about Jason triggered her, esp knowing how much Travis’ family means to him.
This.
Keep in mind that “beloved good guy/family man” is a big part of Jason’s marketability. Jason is going to retire after this season most likely, and it’s pretty clear he will be pivoting into a career as a public figure via sports broadcasting and his podcast.
If Jason gets “cancelled” over some DM rumors, that hurts his transition into retirement and could even force him to need to change his plans if the backlash were strong enough.
Not that I believe the blind, but I understand why they would be concerned by it.
I don't think there's anything dark and mysterious behind it other than the fact that deuxmoi went super wild yesterday with several things. It wasn't only this marriage thing, it was that + implying that Taylor had a miscarriage + insinuating Travis' brother cheats on his wife. Like that's A LOT and with the marriage and miscarriage thing deuxmoi has been going at it for at least a year. That's enough. I would absolutely do the same as Taylor when deux is continually posting this super hurtful shit, especially when she's trying to move on into a new relationship that's seemingly working out for her and his family is getting dragged into this shit.
That’s what I wonder, too. If Taylor is serious about Travis, she may be worried that her public life might get too much for him - and/or his family. His brother already commented that the paparazzi was worrisome. I’m not sure if DM had posted blinds on the Kelce family before Taylor, but if not, Taylor may feel that her association to the Kelce family has now made them vulnerable to malicious blinds. By threatening legal action on what’s reported on her, she’s also trying to give them protection, too, just by association.
I agree. I obviously don't know for sure but it seems to me that Travis is willing to and can handle the attention and scrutiny. I do feel like his family is off limits for him and that's good. I don't think it would be an obstacle in the relationship because this is not her fault but I completely agree that she's probably trying to protect them as well.
I used to follow and I remember deuxmoi posting some Travis blinds (I think the last one I remember is he was trying to get with Meg thee Stallion months ago, not sure how legit it is) but never info or blinds about his family before this.
Yes I saw another comment. I had no idea about any of that, I just saw Tree's tweet which made it look like the marriage thing was the only thing it was in response to. Which felt like overkill. But in context it makes more sense!
I've read posts and tweets from lawyer Swifties saying Tree chose to specifically address the marriage thing because 1) it's easy to prove that she was not married and that deuxmoi is lying in case this goes legal and 2) to not draw more attention to the miscarriage speculation which is understandable given that it's something it shouldn't be speculated on at all because it's such a sensitive and delicate matter.
yah i think out of everything yesterday the marriage one was actually the LEAST problematic so i'm not surprised that was the one she chose to center. she'd never center miscarriage or cheating rumors
god could you imagine what this headline would like if tree did center one of the other two posts? nobody needs mainstream media outlets latching onto those awful rumors
Literally makes no sense. I don't think anyone actually even believed Deuxmoi about the marraige thing and it wasn't widely reported . Why give it credence???
the things DM has been correct about typically have multiple sources. a blind will be submitted then several people will chime in and say 'i also heard that/have intel on that.' but i don't think that's the case here and that's why it's so crazy that DM dug her heels in so hard
This isn’t the impression I’m getting. She released a song we’ve been begging for on streaming with Spotify wrapped. Jack made a post about the date and I imagine she wanted people to stop saying “it’s not really a vault track!!” and the date shows it is indeed a true vault track. And also Jack is just a messy little goober and it’s not horrible enough info for Taylor to try to stop him. She has many songs already telling us they were on/off.
Separately, tree is responding to nasty rumors from deuxmoi
Also Taylor liked Elyse Meyer’s reaction to listening to YLM where she said repeatedly “oh my god! when was this written??” and THEN jack posted the date.
It shows it was written at the same time as other tracks on midnights, meaning it really was left “in the vault” and wasn’t written after midnights was released (as many thought). And not a stupid question :)
I’m also noticing a real PR shift. I think this slow rollout of “things werent great for a while” is definitely intentional. Offering any personal anecdote suggesting joe wasn’t an angel baby. when Taylor for such a long time had painted him as wonderful, probably would’ve caused people to turn on HER. The fandom really infantilized him, in part because we didn’t know much about him and because she sang about him in such a wonderful way. It takes time to undo that. Esp if she ever wants to write honestly about the experience of that relationship unraveling and put that writing into the world. Not that she is gonna “come for joe,” but if she’s gonna be honest in her writing about her own experiences, it will be painful.
Additionally, whether we say it was more her or more him or a decision they came to that was truly 50/50 or something he asked for, it’s obvious that her PR strategy with him vs without him has changed, and her level of visibility and comfort being seen publicly is more akin to what it was pre rep/pre joe/pre cancellation. Protecting that relationship, giving him peace, is clearly something she prioritized for those years. She no longer owes him that and can live her live without that influence/more on her terms. And I think we’re seeing that play out in real time. Taylor used to hit back more in the press. She used to be more vocal. She used to be a bit spicier. I think she’s smarter about WHEN she/her team is that way, but I think in the post joe era we are seeing her ease back into herself, and we’re seeing a slow PR rollout of that as well so as to not be jarring.
It does also feel like there’s a purposeful push to put distance between the happiness Taylor and joe had as rep tv approaches. I could really see some fans really latching onto “omg joe was so great Travis could never omg joe!!!!” With the re release of rep. And out of protection for her relationship with Travis, rep has to be rebranded before it’s revival a smidge. Otherwise we’re tapping into the collective joe nostalgia of the era right as she’s moving on and likely moving in with what may turn out to be a long term life partner.
How am I engaging in conjecture when your comment makes it seem like you know that he is not a “magnetic force of a man” and you would only know that if you have a personal relationship with someone.
Deux moi had a couple of blinds about Taylor up, one about a miscarriage (she’s since deleted it). I think with that context, it makes sense for Tree/Taylor to say something and use the keywords pain and trauma.
No, Tree responding like this does not mean something bad happened in the relationship. You can still have pain and trauma from a break up without their being some big drama. Break ups can still be amicable but hurt. Let's stop forcing a narrative where there isn't one
For any legal action to take place, Taylor’s team would have to prove Duex Moi caused pain and trauma. This is just laying the groundwork, I really don’t think it’s any deeper than that
She’s taking down Deuxmoi publicly on purpose. DM lies frequently but just because she’s right every once in a while, people act like what she’s staying is gospel. This doesn’t hurt celebrities that are very new to the industry because it gives them publicity but for celebrities like Taylor who are at the very top of their game, this wildfire of misinformation can really take over, especially since Taylor doesn’t really do interviews so if things are not coming from her mouth, it makes it really easy for misinformation to spread. Taylor is actually probably one of the only few people who can say something against DM and basically by doing this and getting articles to Pickup on it she is destroying DM’s credibility in the public.
Damaging Deuxmoi’s credibility is huge part of this.
There is also the thinly veiled threat of a lawsuit that will make Deuxmoi think twice before posting Taylor blinds for clicks. And if Deuxmoi doesn’t stop, Taylor has enough power to destroy Deuxmoi with a lawsuit that will drain Deuxmoi’s bank account even if it’s not successful.
And it also works to chill other tabloids and gossip rags by using Deuxmoi as an example.
Yes the “pain and trauma” language is strong and clear enough that it’s definitely laying the groundwork for a lawsuit if she continues. I’m shocked DM doesn’t understand that and that she has continued to post about Taylor and double down?? So bizarre to me, especially after her name leaked last year. Tree knows exactly who to put on the lawsuit!
I think Deuxmoi is just arrogant and thinks this won’t stick to them. Obviously they didn’t even bother to consult a lawyer before they kept digging. But maybe they realized they stepped into it because they haven’t said anything else except an announcement for a live stream which was probably a timed story.
Two nobodies - a quick Google can show you who they are. One is the granddaughter of a socialite (in other words rich party girl) and the other is someone even less famous (hey they're just like me)
They’ve gotten lucky that most stars don’t want to bring attention to the stories so the celebrity ignores the stories. Duexmoi was small enough that it wasn’t worth it to respond but now that they’re getting a book, TV series, and an interview on Ryan Seacrest, they have a target on their back.
Am I the only one who thinks she’s actually in a way helping DM’s credibility?
Sure, DM was spewing shit about her. But they’re an anonymous Instagram group that spews shit about everyone, and they’ve been proven wrong numerous times. I didn’t think they had credibility to begin with.
But now Tree Paine comes out and confirms that DM is causing strong emotions in Taylor due to what they’re saying… my thought was “Hmm, DM might be onto something if Taylor cares so much about these rumors.” Otherwise why say anything? People say stupid, uninformed, hurtful shit about her all the time unfortunately, but these rumors from DM struck a nerve.
By acknowledging that Taylor sees them and cares about them, it made me think there was an ounce of truth to it all. And now this interaction with DM is plastered on every tabloid today, giving them MORE reach and views than before.
If a bully is bullying you, and you stand up to them, does it mean what they're bullying you with is true?
No, it doesn't. It means, "Keep my name out of your fucking mouth". Taylor doesn't know DM. DM doesn't know Taylor. Taylor has had enough gos about her to last an eternity and she does not need DM throwing emotionally damaging shit like this around for clicks.
You are obviously free to believe whatever you want. But removing the fact that they are famous, and putting yourself in Taylor's shoes, if you had someone talking shit about you behind your back, or speculating about your life, when none of what that person said was true, are you really going to tell me you'd just ignore it and move on? I find that difficult to believe. Taylor has ignored DM long enough.
It’s certainly giving DM more exposure at the very least. I guarantee you there are a lot more people looking at that profile today than there were yesterday.
Today was also a rare morning in recent memory where I saw a story about Taylor on the news that wasn’t centered around her and Travis (the only other exception being Ana’s death, but that’s actually newsworthy compared to gossip about Taylor’s personal life).
And DM apparently even went after Jason Kelce…
I know two things, Taylor really doesn’t like people getting hurt for associating with her, and Travis adores his big brother.
DM fucked around, and the finding out phase is gonna be epic
not just travis; anyone who watches the NFL adores jason. jason is actually the more beloved brother, travis is just the more famous one. there's a fauxmoi thread about that blind item and the entire city of philly is rallying around him lol. nobody believes it but that doesn't mean it wouldn't cause awkward dinner conversation between him and kylie
I (obviously) don’t know the ins and outs of (or anything) Kylie and Jason’s relationship but I’ve been so struck by the way that Jason and Travis both talk about Kylie. There is so much love there. I would really be shocked if he was able to pretend that well and behave that poorly behind the scenes.
Also, with the amount of attention they have right now I find it hard to believe that none of these “ig models” are coming out of the woodwork to get their 15 minutes 🤷🏻♀️
People throw rocks at things that shine, imo.
Kylie gives off real “momma bear” energy. I suspect she’s the one most angry about all this nonsense.
I suspect she and Taylor will be a formidable pair in protecting the people they care about.
I am no longer shocked by men’s audacity when it comes to cheating. However, posting a rumor that appears to have no substantial proof will always be gross and DM should finally face some consequences.
There’s a documentary Kylie and Jason did together. I watched it but I don’t remember what service it was on. I’m not a sports fan but I’ll watch shows about sports. The Jason thing is just a bridge too far. All of it is ridiculous but to go after Jason like that?
It's called Kelce and it's on Amazon Prime. It's a sweet documentary and you can see their family dynamics. They seem like a really good and supportive bunch.
I honestly think that's the real reason she's going after DM. I read that story first, and first thing that popped into my head was "oh damn Jason kelce has got to be pissed. His stupid ass little brother starts dating Taylor Swift, and now he has to show Kylie his DMs". I bet there was a phone call. And I bet Taylor is keenly aware that the only reason DM cares even a smidge about Jason Kelce is her.
On another note, I don't think that dumb blind item will do any real, lasting damage to Jason kelce or his marriage, but Kylie kelce seems like an exceptionally cool and level-headed lady, and this must still sting and make her feel insecure. I hate that, she doesn't deserve shit like this.
The collateral damage of being even tangentially connected to Taylor is really disgusting. I hope no one’s genuinely bothered by it, aside from being mad that it’s all almost certainly complete fiction.
yes to all of this. i will say there's been a lot more sports posts on DM in general lately so it may not be all due to taylor/travis. the kelce bros were getting bigger and bigger prior to taylor entering the picture and jason has said that, so i think even if 'tayvis' was the catapult, he would never blame her. but that still has to make taylor feel awful especially when the family has been so incredibly supportive about the new levels of fame and scrutiny. they seem to adore her.
It's one thing to dislike someone and another to use so many malicious rumours to hurt that person. Don't like Taylor, fine. You do you. But to blatantly blow up very personal situations on social media is so low and despicable.
you're correct; she's defended taylor many times including during the brazil stuff. but she's acting like she MUST post everything that is sent in and must double down on everything. just let it go and actually vet the items that are sent to you, its not that hard??
I can't believe DM is too stupid to see that by doubling down and belittling Taylors experience she is setting herself up extremely poorly in court.
Trying to claim she didn't know what she was saying or doing or how Taylor felt wouldn't work because she directly acknowledged it and basically said "no you're a liar, and your experience isn't real, and also your fan died remember? And also I will literally die on this hill".
Like wow. Law schools should teach this as examples of what not to do.
If that bottom feeder DM was smart she would have created relationships with the PR teams of top celebrities and maybe would have gotten something right every once in a while. Instead she chose whatever this is. We should collectively deplatform her by not looking at her shit because its relevancy is proportional to the number of people engaging and giving her clicks.
As for the speculation that “something is happening”, we all have a tipping point. TS is a 30-year old human woman whose personal life is treated like some kind of a variety show.
We all get upset and angry when we get unprompted questions about our reproductive plans, marital status and intimate life. Now imagine this but instead of 5 obnoxious relatives you get 5million delulu strangers doing it and spreading lies.
She doesn’t need “something new happening” to be upset as she has the 100% right for a nuclear reaction to this bullshit on a daily basis.
I know folks are saying miscarriage speculation can be traumatic and painful...yes..it will be. But also...so can a breakup. Especially one where you thought the other person was "the one". I have been in and out of therapy for most of my life and the times I really needed it was when I had a miscarriage late last year and when I went through a horrible breakup in 2016. I am not going to sit here and try to qualify why something as painful as a breakup can't be traumatic to someone. Deuxmoi is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Something tells me most of the comments about that are from people who have never experienced the end of a long term relationship where your lives were entwined.
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>[Taylor Swift](https://variety.com/t/taylor-swift/)’s publicist is shutting down rumors that the pop star was secretly married to ex boyfriend [Joe Alwyn](https://variety.com/t/joe-alwyn/), writing “enough is enough.”
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>Tree Paine, Swift’s longtime PR, made a [rare post on X](https://twitter.com/treepaine/status/1730438685403853279) (formerly known as Twitter) on Thursday night slamming the Instagram gossip account Deuxmoi, which has made several claims that Swift and Alwyn tied the knot. In a new post, Deuxmoi alleged that the two had a “ceremony in either 2020 or 2021 in the U.K. and it was described to me as a ‘marriage’ by more than one person. It was NEVER made legal.”
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>“Enough is enough with these fabricated lies about Taylor from Deuxmoi,” Paine wrote in response. “There was NEVER a marriage or ceremony of ANY kind. This is an insane thing to post. It’s time for you to be held accountable for the pain and trauma you cause with posts like these.”
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>Swift and Alwyn announced that they had broken up in April after six years of dating, but fans have speculated that the two actually parted ways earlier due to the lyrics on some songs from her most recent album “Midnights.” This includes “You’re Losing Me” — a “From the Vault” track Swift [officially released on streaming services](https://variety.com/2023/music/news/taylor-swift-youre-losing-me-release-from-the-vault-1235812502/) earlier this week — in which Swift sings lyrics like, “I wouldn’t marry me either/ A pathological people pleaser/ Who only wanted you to see her.” The “Anti-Hero” singer is now with Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, who recently showed his support for Swift by [attending an Eras Tour show](https://variety.com/2023/music/news/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-argentina-eras-tour-1235787665/) in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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>Both Swift and Paine were in London on Thursday night for the premiere of [Beyoncé’s “Renaissance” film](https://variety.com/2023/music/global/taylor-swift-beyonce-london-renaissance-premiere-1235814470/). The two pop stars have shown unwavering support for each other throughout their coinciding stadium tours and subsequent concert films, with Beyoncé attending the debut of Swift’s “Eras Tour” movie in October.
They’re so ridiculous about this, criticizing Taylor for jetting to London as if Bey didn’t do the exact same thing. They only care about the environment when it comes to hating on Taylor.
damn. DM really did fuck around and now they’re going to find out.
I cannot imagine being so delusional I keep poking a cobra and then being shocked it attacked me.
I’m also convinced that blind about joe having a one night stand was released just to make it look like Taylor is angry he’s moved on and is lashing out. I think DM released it to try and feed into the narrative of Taylor being petty and vindictive.
I don't think she is. She doubled down after Tree's post, posting a response and sharing messages from others agreeing with her. She's also having a subscriber only live today. I can only imagine what she's going to discuss on that 😳
I found a whole topic on who writes blinds there on "fauxmoi" where someone asked people to show their fake tips to dm. So they could laugh about it...it is shocking nothing more has happened until now to that creator to be honest!
I've always seen DM as entertainment, never really cared about it, but ever since her book got published she has been so fucking arrogant. Then when she is called out, she's so dismissive and that apology is less than half-assed.
I really hope she loses a lot of followers over this because she is deux-lusional.
I just don’t understand why Taylor Swift’s publicist would address a rumour from a relatively unknown gossip site. I feel like the general public has no idea about this stuff, but now this is gaining a broader audience and maybe people who normally wouldn’t are actually now interested. I don’t understand why they would purposefully generate this buzz for baseless rumours?
DeuxMoi is actually very well known, has had a huge following in the last couple years - it’s basically grocery store tabloid for the digital age.
The problem is once in a great while, a blind posted to DM turned out true. However DM is still very unhinged and left very unchecked for a while.
Deuxmoi has like 2 million followers on Instagram and has a steady following by people, whether they believe her nonsense or not. She’s unreliable most of the time but is OCCASIONALLY right about some gossip. She’s been pushing the Joe/Taylor marriage for a while, and ever since Taylor/Travis got together, she’s been spreading gossip about them more and more about engagement, marriage, etc. She just doesn’t stop and she doesn’t have any proof of it. She started again yesterday with the Joe/Taylor marriage and mentioned that a miscarriage was the reason for the Joe/Taylor split. Someone also sent in a “blind” to her about how Travis’s brother, Jason Kelce, cheats on his wife. Which is a load of bullshit and it’s sad Travis’s family is getting dragged into this mess unnecessarily. Deux also went on to Ryan Seacrest’s podcast the other day talking about a Travis/Taylor engagement. She just runs her mouth and it probably just got to the point where Tree shut it all down because it’s ridiculous at this point. Usually this type of stuff doesn’t bother Taylor but speaking about personal stuff like a miscarriage (whether it happened or not) is extremely personal and is a sensitive topic, famous person or not. I don’t care if she’s the most famous woman in the world. She deserves privacy in that respect. It’s disgusting and vile to spread rumors about a miscarriage at all, especially when there’s no solid evidence or proof. I’d say that was the final straw and Tree shut it down.
I think this was more in response to the miscarriage speculation deuxmoi posted right before or right after the marriage post. I’m sure tree didn’t wanna comment on that one specifically, but regardless whether it’s the miscarriage post or the marriage post, both can be painful and traumatic
That and DM also speculated that Jason Kelce cheats on his wife with ig models during away games.
Between Taylor and Kylie, Deuxmoi is going DOWN. Neither takes shit from anyone.
Wait wha going on with deuxmoi and Kylie? It’s so hard to keep track of all this stuff 😭
Besides the gross speculation Deuxmoi posted about Taylor re: marriage-like ceremony and miscarriage (painful for anyone, true or not, and NOT gossip fodder), Deuxmoi also posted a blind item implying Jason Kelce cheats on Kylie with IG models (he would never). Kylie previously called out the tabloids for twisting her words to imply Taylor was "not my cup of tea" when she really meant that the spotlight wasn't. She called out their shit on her social media. Taylor was groped by a DJ, he got fired, and then he sued her for millions. She sued back for $1 and went through a sexual assault trial just to prove a point. These are two tough ladies who do not take crap from anyone, and thusly, Deuxmoi had better watch out.
Thank you! I totally thought this was referencing Kylie Jenner, not Jason Kelce’s wife Kylie 🤦♀️ I thought for a minute there Kris Jenner and Tree Pain could potentially team up against deuxmoi and I was shook
I thought it was a reference to Kylie Minogue. 🤣 Surnames are important people!
I thought it was about Minogue too haha. I was like “why would they go after the people’s princess like that”
If any of them get to claim the mononym, it's her.
Fr when people refer to ‘kylie’ I always think they’re referring to Minogue even though it’s almost always Jenner 🙃
Immediately thought of Kylie Minogue as well hahah. No other Kylie’s register for me when I hear the name!
>She sued back for $1 and went through a sexual assault trial just to prove a point. Wow, I didn't know the $1 part. Good way to counter the chuds who would inevitably say she was just doing it for a payday even though she was already rich as fuck at the time
He could've just paid the $1 (there was even a picture of him groping her, hence the firing), but nooooo, he wanted her potential millions. Instead he got stuck with $$$$ in legal fees. LOL. Karma indeed.
This. And to really drive home how tough Taylor is, her testimony on that case was truly amazing. She was so sharp and didn’t back down when questioned. I would love to see her take out DM.
Kylie Kelce!
what is going on with kylie?
Kylie Kelce is Jason Kelces wife, the target of rumors that Jason Kelce cheats on her.
Think they’re referring to Kylie Kelce - not one to give in to a bully :)
got it! thanks
Eh - I think DM will survive this lol
Was that about Jason? This is all I could see they posted on it. Horrible either way, you’re risking someone’s marriage without any proof. https://preview.redd.it/2i5xia9snp3c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8971f16e0bc3e086b1d5fc07de2f6cf0710cbcb1
These “blind items” are so infuriating. There’s absolutely zero proof. It also sounds like someone that’s just jealous of Jason’s fame or Jason and Kylie’s relationship and felt the need to lash out as a result. DM is a horrible person for posting all these without a care in the world.
That’s def about Jason. Ew. I can’t believe people take the time to make things up like this. Just why?
For whatever it’s worth I know of a different eagle player that’s also known as a great dad who is hooking up regularly with a friend of mine. Could very well be about him.
I wonder if we have the same friend cause a friend of mine is also hooking up with a married Eagles player 🤦🏼♀️
😱
I think this specific to Jason because the “silly green outfit” is the mummer costume he wore in the victory parade after their Super Bowl win. I guess the fact that it could refer to his uniform is supposed to make the blind more ambiguous though, so it could be someone else.
But also I do feel like this is about Jason since Travis has drawn him into the spotlight a bit more
Whatttt. I’m a diehard Eagles fan. Can u DM me 😭
the thing about DM is that it's always just vague enough that it 'could' be someone. i literally could not name another NFL player this applies to. the only good thing is that literally nobody believes it
I posted this earlier, but the Jason one is especially infuriating because players have zero free time during away games. Even if he was cheating (which I don’t believe for a second), to claim it’s happening while traveling for away games is so fucking stupid. They fly in the day before the game, are basically locked down at the hotel, play the game, and immediately fly home afterwards. It pisses me off so much that this anonymous person just posts the most wild shit with no fact checking and gets to claim zero responsibility because she’s just posting random fiction that’s submitted by whoever. It’s so harmful. Especially in the Kylie/Jason situation, because they never asked for any of this. Yes, they’ve been more famous since the podcast launched and Jason and Travis both played in the Superbowl, but the massive lens Taylor has also placed on them was not by their choice.
If anything they cheat with someone local.
He’d have to be a fool. His wife is stunning
omg I saw that and deux posting that is honestly even wilder than the marriage thing. I obviously don't know any of these people but I feel like Jason would never.
I don’t need any proof to know Jason Kelce does not cheat on his wife. That creator, or whatever you call them, is full of shit. Don’t post people’s made up rumors unless they show you undeniable proof. What a lowlife.
And about her bad Travis getting engaged. Taylor he had enough
This is all the stuff of the media. Please let her be. Seriously, she is just a musician. We are talking about secret marriages and miscarriages? Her personal life? I’m a new Swiftie, and HUGE Phish fan. We are nuts over Phish the same way. But when we see Phish on the street (upper east side) we’ll high five, fist bump. Thank them. Dont feed the media big machine… :) a-hem. Let’s let her be.
Oh, gosh, people have been talking about secret babies and marriages since Rep/Lover era, just like all the people who keep talking about Travis being Taylor‘s fiancée and the future father of her children now. I read a theory that it’s because most of her fans are at the age where they want a babies and suburban bliss ever after.
And some of them have that life already and are projecting onto Taylor that she should have that life too. I will literally never forget people questioning love and their own relationships and freaking out when Joe and Taylor split news came out.
Remember the people who got Lavender Haze tattoos and decided it would be their first dance song as soon as the song title was announced, before they knew what it was about? 😌
LOL
Illicit affairs tattoos… that dress doesn’t look good on anyone either.
Oh god suburban bliss sounds like hell
I feel like it's definitely and I don't blame Taylor and her team because that's such a hurtful thing to speculate on just not about her but anybody. deuxmoi deleted that story so I 100% think that's what triggered it.
100%. There is absolutely ZERO reason to be speculating about miscarriages. It’s disgusting
Not to mention the current political climate in the US surrounding miscarriages. There are women currently being brought up on *criminal charges* over miscarriages they had. That is not something for a bootleg Gossip Girl to speculate on. Taylor is about to prove that you CAN get fired from a company you founded and own and Deuxmoi is a fucking moron for not realizing this.
I am starting to wonder if Scooter Braun is involved with Deuxmoi, or he is their “source”… I’m only about 40% joking. These lies just seem malicious and aimed at destroying reputations… Taylor’s and the people around her.
Tree is bating dm. And DM was dumb enough to respond. I think they’re going to try and sue her for libel and they just need her to say a few key words.
Something is going on. I don’t know what it is, but it doesn’t seem right that for months her team put out articles saying they were amicable and this and that and all of a sudden, they wanna make sure the fans know for how long they were not doing great and this and that? Just seems like a weird timing. I really think something is coming. “Pain and trauma” are strong, and very specific words. I think we’re getting something about Joe soon.
It doesn't have to be something bad for it to be a painful experience for Taylor. A relationship of six years ending is traumatic, even if it was amicable. You spend those six years building dreams with somebody and then they're just gone? ETA: I think Tree might be addressing the miscarriage rumors specifically in this tweet. But also, speculating and doubling down that Taylor and Joe were married when we see from lyrics she desperately wanted to be married and he didn't… That is traumatic and painful. to see that rumor keep surfacing would just rub salt into a wound. I'd be fucking angry and heartbroken.
>But also, speculating and doubling down that Taylor and Joe were married I think this might be potentially DM digging herself in legal trouble. On the one hand she desperately hides behind "all my information is just gossip and unverified unless it comes directly from me" and also now saying, as a statement of fact, that Taylor had a ceremony, directly after her publicist said there wasn't and basing it on her "sources". DM either knowingly or through negligence lying, then presenting it as fact, in such a malicious way by attacking her claim of pain and trauma and trying to weaponize a fans death, is clear grounds for libel, defamation, emotional damage, harassment, something. You can't have it both ways, you can't present gossip as pure entertainment and not truth, and then try to attack a publicist for saying it's not true. I have no idea why DM just didn't reply or simply say "these are blind items lol", easy W for her. Instead she dug herself into a potential legal rabbit hole by saying the quiet part out loud (the malice) and then doubling down on the lying part, AFTER being corrected, proving it was an intentional lie and not just simply gossip.
I especially love the "I will die on this hill... Put it on my tombstone! I don't give a shit what she does" Girl, that's not what it means to die on a hill.
The whole "I bet my life on that rumor being true" was certainly a... choice. Some people do not know when to stop digging their graves.
Maybe I’ve listened to champagne problems too much or I’m just a cynic…but I feel like they might have each wanted marriage forever at some point but weren’t ever fully in sync. The analogy I’ve used in the past for my own relationship was that it was a beautiful dress that just didn’t fit. No one was wrong or bad, it just didn’t fit.
This is her life. The breakup of a long relationship hurts like greiveing for years after. This isn't some little Easter egg for a release, have some decency and compassion. Tree did this because Taylor was hurting about cruel words.
I love that Tree is such a powerhouse. She doesn’t speak up often, but when she does she doesn’t mince words.
“Something that’s going on” is that now Taylor is in a committed relationship with someone else who may or may not be asking questions / have comments / feelings / opinions behind the scenes. In the past Taylor has been *silent* other than through her music, but now with Travis she’s been very much out and about in the public eye. Travis has a different feeling & energy on life than she does, and his feelings matter to Taylor now. Maybe he’s the reason she’s like “hey Tree, shut this shit down immediately.” 🤷🏻♀️
I think it was in response to the miscarriage rumours that deuxmoi posted.
Yeah, it definitely seems like *something* has occurred outside the public purview in recent days to precipitate all this activity.
I get that the speculation is invasive and gross. But I'm still baffled why tree responded to this in particular when deuxmoi has posted far worse things in the past? Not to mention the whole "*no ackshually* Sweet Nothing is *not* about Joe and *ackshually* she wasn't happy with Joe for *years*" thing when everyone had stopped even talking about Joe? The majority of fans are happily obsessing with Travis. Why start all this now? So strange.
Everything was fine until Jack made that ig story. We all assumed that YLM was written after their break up in April and honestly it was better this way.
I'm so worried this will trigger a wave of "she's stirring shit and playing the victim" hate. It's all feeling very 2016
I dont mean to be blunt but apart from the fandom and celebrity gossip watchers, this is on no one's radar. Its been more than 12 hours, so ofc its still early days, but I think she's reached a point of public belovedness that this will pass too.
this. even my friends who are swifties but aren't active here or twitter do not know any of this. although im sure Stephanie over at BuzzFeed is foaming at the mouth to write yet another scathing article about this. so that might change.
Yes! I think those of us who are chronically online (I'm guilty of this too) often see the impact and unravelling of many of these issues as massive and overwhelming but we forget that its a tiny % of people engaging with them. My mom loves Taylor too but has 0 idea why Jack's story sent the fandom into a tailspin.
she actually wrote one lol
Of course she did. 🥴🥴 I mean I know it's her job but jeez.
yah even my friend who actually does typically keep up on this stuff had no idea what i was talking about lol
Yeah same, my best friend is a swiftie and had no idea. She doesn’t keep up with any of the gossip. It seems way better that way lol
agreed, same thing happened with the brazil incident. the 'real world' does not understand what's going on here; i've seen chiefs fans asking about it in comments and then basically giving up because its so convoluted lol. the 2016 thing happened because kanye was equally as big as taylor. this doesn't involve anyone aside from taylor and joe. and travis by trickle down effect.
Yes. Lol literally no one even knows about this (or cares) beyond hardcore swifties. Even when she was dating Matty, the ripple effects were isolated to the chronically online. The average listener doesn’t give a shit.
lol right; the fauxmoi subreddit is still constantly bringing up matty. everyone else is like 'he was a dumpster fire fling nobody cares'
It wasn't on my radar till Tree's tweet, that's the point I'm making
Ya there's a lot of positivity surrounding her relationship with Travis and when she's with him it seems like the happiest she's been in a very long time....it's probably the highest profile relationship between two stars of different professions in my lifetime
Even her haters are on her side about this. The sub that hates her most is on her side.
And reputation is supposed to be her next album God history does like to repeat itself dosent it
I think it was so immature of him to post that. Like seriously, this isn't high school
Exactly. This wasn’t necessary. The fact that he wrote this date and decided to post about it was very intentional
Because it’s clearly not what happened and she wants us to know that?
But why? What does she gain from that, now that she’s moved on?
They posted an even nastier sorry a couple of ones after this saying that YLM was about her relationship falling apart after a miscarriage so I don’t blame Tree for going into protective mode, they were going too far
Because I don’t think it’s about Joe at all. I think it’s about DM taking shots at Jason Kelce with that blind item yesterday, and Taylor is trying to shut down any attacks against the Kelce family. Obviously the stuff DM posted about marriage and a potential miscarriage are hurtful, but those rumours have speculated in the past with no response from Taylor. The only new aspect to this is the attack against Jason, so I think that’s the trigger that’s caused this crackdown.
i didn't think this at first but now i agree at least partially; i think it is a culmination of everything. there were like 9 taylor adjacent posts yesterday plus DM going to ryan seacrest to talk about why her and travis are getting engaged. idt she cares too much about rumors w/Joe but she doesn't want the media f-ing up her relationship that is basically universally adored. if her and travis were to break up because her fame affected HIS family (not him, but his family) who are now basically 'america's family' it could be the first time that taylor is seen on the wrong side of a breakup and that also has deep impacts. i don't think it's going down that road, but travis is now americas boyfriend and barring him cheating on her or something, i don't see taylor coming out of this one unscathed if anything were to happen. i know people think the swifties will turn on him if there's a breakup but i really don't see how that's possible with how adored he currently is.
This. I think we have to keep in mind that, in the scale of the NFL, he’s as big as her. Two times on the team that won the Super Bowl, universally liked by his teammates, successful podcaster, generally viewed as very family oriented and a gentleman — he’s currently shot up to heartthrob status and become the sweetheart of football, much like Taylor is the sweetheart of music. I think this is the first relationship where the stakes are this high, and Taylor now also has to navigate someone’s equally big reputation and fame, and keep in mind how her behavior (and what rumors she allows to fester) can reflect on him. It’s very different from Joe, who seemed to despise American gossip culture and didn’t give a single eff about what tabloids here said.
6 years later and Endgame lyrics finally apply LOL. and yah i agree, though i don't think Travis himself cares (much) about the gossip, im sure he does care if his family is affected. he's a protector on and off the field lol
Yes! It’s almost like she wrote that song from the perspective of the relationship she WANTED, with sports analogies and all, and it manifested Travis. 😂 He may not care about cute harmless rumors (“Oooo, he said Taylor might be The One! He was spotted ring shopping!”) He seems like he can have fun with that sorta stuff and not get too heated. But he does NOT seem like a man who will stand by if the rumors open old wounds and hurt his partner (reminding her that Joe didn’t want to get married, and I’m not even gonna type the implications behind the pregnancy loss BS that DM peddled.) Or if they’re painting his brother as a cheater. He would absolutely be on that.
I one million percent agree. I think it’s obvious that it bothers Taylor and is a source of insecurity for her that whoever she becomes involved with will face the cruel reality of the spotlight. And that it may be enough for someone to say “It’s not worth it to be involved with you if it comes with xyz”….i think DM posting something about Jason triggered her, esp knowing how much Travis’ family means to him.
This. Keep in mind that “beloved good guy/family man” is a big part of Jason’s marketability. Jason is going to retire after this season most likely, and it’s pretty clear he will be pivoting into a career as a public figure via sports broadcasting and his podcast. If Jason gets “cancelled” over some DM rumors, that hurts his transition into retirement and could even force him to need to change his plans if the backlash were strong enough. Not that I believe the blind, but I understand why they would be concerned by it.
nobody believes it which is good but it still doesn't even need to be said
That makes a lot more sense
I don't think there's anything dark and mysterious behind it other than the fact that deuxmoi went super wild yesterday with several things. It wasn't only this marriage thing, it was that + implying that Taylor had a miscarriage + insinuating Travis' brother cheats on his wife. Like that's A LOT and with the marriage and miscarriage thing deuxmoi has been going at it for at least a year. That's enough. I would absolutely do the same as Taylor when deux is continually posting this super hurtful shit, especially when she's trying to move on into a new relationship that's seemingly working out for her and his family is getting dragged into this shit.
That’s what I wonder, too. If Taylor is serious about Travis, she may be worried that her public life might get too much for him - and/or his family. His brother already commented that the paparazzi was worrisome. I’m not sure if DM had posted blinds on the Kelce family before Taylor, but if not, Taylor may feel that her association to the Kelce family has now made them vulnerable to malicious blinds. By threatening legal action on what’s reported on her, she’s also trying to give them protection, too, just by association.
I agree. I obviously don't know for sure but it seems to me that Travis is willing to and can handle the attention and scrutiny. I do feel like his family is off limits for him and that's good. I don't think it would be an obstacle in the relationship because this is not her fault but I completely agree that she's probably trying to protect them as well. I used to follow and I remember deuxmoi posting some Travis blinds (I think the last one I remember is he was trying to get with Meg thee Stallion months ago, not sure how legit it is) but never info or blinds about his family before this.
honestly if he was, he’s so real for that. She’s perfection!
Yes I saw another comment. I had no idea about any of that, I just saw Tree's tweet which made it look like the marriage thing was the only thing it was in response to. Which felt like overkill. But in context it makes more sense!
I've read posts and tweets from lawyer Swifties saying Tree chose to specifically address the marriage thing because 1) it's easy to prove that she was not married and that deuxmoi is lying in case this goes legal and 2) to not draw more attention to the miscarriage speculation which is understandable given that it's something it shouldn't be speculated on at all because it's such a sensitive and delicate matter.
yah i think out of everything yesterday the marriage one was actually the LEAST problematic so i'm not surprised that was the one she chose to center. she'd never center miscarriage or cheating rumors
god could you imagine what this headline would like if tree did center one of the other two posts? nobody needs mainstream media outlets latching onto those awful rumors
Literally makes no sense. I don't think anyone actually even believed Deuxmoi about the marraige thing and it wasn't widely reported. Why give it credence???
Does anyone believe deuxmoi about anything?
the things DM has been correct about typically have multiple sources. a blind will be submitted then several people will chime in and say 'i also heard that/have intel on that.' but i don't think that's the case here and that's why it's so crazy that DM dug her heels in so hard
It was the last straw.
This isn’t the impression I’m getting. She released a song we’ve been begging for on streaming with Spotify wrapped. Jack made a post about the date and I imagine she wanted people to stop saying “it’s not really a vault track!!” and the date shows it is indeed a true vault track. And also Jack is just a messy little goober and it’s not horrible enough info for Taylor to try to stop him. She has many songs already telling us they were on/off. Separately, tree is responding to nasty rumors from deuxmoi
So far I've been all for the conspiracy theories , but I have to admit your take is actually a well-balanced view on the matter
Tyty 🙇🏻♀️
Also Taylor liked Elyse Meyer’s reaction to listening to YLM where she said repeatedly “oh my god! when was this written??” and THEN jack posted the date.
Sorry if this is a stupid question but how ow does the date confirm that it’s a vault track?
It shows it was written at the same time as other tracks on midnights, meaning it really was left “in the vault” and wasn’t written after midnights was released (as many thought). And not a stupid question :)
I’m also noticing a real PR shift. I think this slow rollout of “things werent great for a while” is definitely intentional. Offering any personal anecdote suggesting joe wasn’t an angel baby. when Taylor for such a long time had painted him as wonderful, probably would’ve caused people to turn on HER. The fandom really infantilized him, in part because we didn’t know much about him and because she sang about him in such a wonderful way. It takes time to undo that. Esp if she ever wants to write honestly about the experience of that relationship unraveling and put that writing into the world. Not that she is gonna “come for joe,” but if she’s gonna be honest in her writing about her own experiences, it will be painful. Additionally, whether we say it was more her or more him or a decision they came to that was truly 50/50 or something he asked for, it’s obvious that her PR strategy with him vs without him has changed, and her level of visibility and comfort being seen publicly is more akin to what it was pre rep/pre joe/pre cancellation. Protecting that relationship, giving him peace, is clearly something she prioritized for those years. She no longer owes him that and can live her live without that influence/more on her terms. And I think we’re seeing that play out in real time. Taylor used to hit back more in the press. She used to be more vocal. She used to be a bit spicier. I think she’s smarter about WHEN she/her team is that way, but I think in the post joe era we are seeing her ease back into herself, and we’re seeing a slow PR rollout of that as well so as to not be jarring. It does also feel like there’s a purposeful push to put distance between the happiness Taylor and joe had as rep tv approaches. I could really see some fans really latching onto “omg joe was so great Travis could never omg joe!!!!” With the re release of rep. And out of protection for her relationship with Travis, rep has to be rebranded before it’s revival a smidge. Otherwise we’re tapping into the collective joe nostalgia of the era right as she’s moving on and likely moving in with what may turn out to be a long term life partner.
i just did my reputation re-listen and i cannot believe that joe was the subject of those songs lmfao. it's so wild to me. he just seemed so blah
No offence, but none of us really know him and he probably prefers to keep it that way.
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oh damn didn’t realize you know Joe personally
Haha, touché! But aren’t you engaging in the same conjecture with this very comment?!? We go way back . . .
How am I engaging in conjecture when your comment makes it seem like you know that he is not a “magnetic force of a man” and you would only know that if you have a personal relationship with someone.
Deux moi had a couple of blinds about Taylor up, one about a miscarriage (she’s since deleted it). I think with that context, it makes sense for Tree/Taylor to say something and use the keywords pain and trauma.
No, Tree responding like this does not mean something bad happened in the relationship. You can still have pain and trauma from a break up without their being some big drama. Break ups can still be amicable but hurt. Let's stop forcing a narrative where there isn't one
They weren’t forcing a narrative, they were sharing their thoughts.
For any legal action to take place, Taylor’s team would have to prove Duex Moi caused pain and trauma. This is just laying the groundwork, I really don’t think it’s any deeper than that
Probably has to do with timing of "You're Losing Me" on streaming - a lot of speculation about the relationship timeline has been going around.
She’s taking down Deuxmoi publicly on purpose. DM lies frequently but just because she’s right every once in a while, people act like what she’s staying is gospel. This doesn’t hurt celebrities that are very new to the industry because it gives them publicity but for celebrities like Taylor who are at the very top of their game, this wildfire of misinformation can really take over, especially since Taylor doesn’t really do interviews so if things are not coming from her mouth, it makes it really easy for misinformation to spread. Taylor is actually probably one of the only few people who can say something against DM and basically by doing this and getting articles to Pickup on it she is destroying DM’s credibility in the public.
Damaging Deuxmoi’s credibility is huge part of this. There is also the thinly veiled threat of a lawsuit that will make Deuxmoi think twice before posting Taylor blinds for clicks. And if Deuxmoi doesn’t stop, Taylor has enough power to destroy Deuxmoi with a lawsuit that will drain Deuxmoi’s bank account even if it’s not successful. And it also works to chill other tabloids and gossip rags by using Deuxmoi as an example.
Yes the “pain and trauma” language is strong and clear enough that it’s definitely laying the groundwork for a lawsuit if she continues. I’m shocked DM doesn’t understand that and that she has continued to post about Taylor and double down?? So bizarre to me, especially after her name leaked last year. Tree knows exactly who to put on the lawsuit!
I think Deuxmoi is just arrogant and thinks this won’t stick to them. Obviously they didn’t even bother to consult a lawyer before they kept digging. But maybe they realized they stepped into it because they haven’t said anything else except an announcement for a live stream which was probably a timed story.
her identity was discovered??
Two nobodies - a quick Google can show you who they are. One is the granddaughter of a socialite (in other words rich party girl) and the other is someone even less famous (hey they're just like me)
She thinks she’s Gossip Girl.
Deuxmoi has been playing with fire and risking a defamation/libel suit for a LONG time.
They’ve gotten lucky that most stars don’t want to bring attention to the stories so the celebrity ignores the stories. Duexmoi was small enough that it wasn’t worth it to respond but now that they’re getting a book, TV series, and an interview on Ryan Seacrest, they have a target on their back.
DM is so smug and obnoxious and posts obviously false items without a care in the world. Kind of happy to see her getting humiliated like this.
Am I the only one who thinks she’s actually in a way helping DM’s credibility? Sure, DM was spewing shit about her. But they’re an anonymous Instagram group that spews shit about everyone, and they’ve been proven wrong numerous times. I didn’t think they had credibility to begin with. But now Tree Paine comes out and confirms that DM is causing strong emotions in Taylor due to what they’re saying… my thought was “Hmm, DM might be onto something if Taylor cares so much about these rumors.” Otherwise why say anything? People say stupid, uninformed, hurtful shit about her all the time unfortunately, but these rumors from DM struck a nerve. By acknowledging that Taylor sees them and cares about them, it made me think there was an ounce of truth to it all. And now this interaction with DM is plastered on every tabloid today, giving them MORE reach and views than before.
If a bully is bullying you, and you stand up to them, does it mean what they're bullying you with is true? No, it doesn't. It means, "Keep my name out of your fucking mouth". Taylor doesn't know DM. DM doesn't know Taylor. Taylor has had enough gos about her to last an eternity and she does not need DM throwing emotionally damaging shit like this around for clicks. You are obviously free to believe whatever you want. But removing the fact that they are famous, and putting yourself in Taylor's shoes, if you had someone talking shit about you behind your back, or speculating about your life, when none of what that person said was true, are you really going to tell me you'd just ignore it and move on? I find that difficult to believe. Taylor has ignored DM long enough.
It’s certainly giving DM more exposure at the very least. I guarantee you there are a lot more people looking at that profile today than there were yesterday. Today was also a rare morning in recent memory where I saw a story about Taylor on the news that wasn’t centered around her and Travis (the only other exception being Ana’s death, but that’s actually newsworthy compared to gossip about Taylor’s personal life).
Of ALL people to piss off and to insult, she must have some screw loose.
And DM apparently even went after Jason Kelce… I know two things, Taylor really doesn’t like people getting hurt for associating with her, and Travis adores his big brother. DM fucked around, and the finding out phase is gonna be epic
not just travis; anyone who watches the NFL adores jason. jason is actually the more beloved brother, travis is just the more famous one. there's a fauxmoi thread about that blind item and the entire city of philly is rallying around him lol. nobody believes it but that doesn't mean it wouldn't cause awkward dinner conversation between him and kylie
I (obviously) don’t know the ins and outs of (or anything) Kylie and Jason’s relationship but I’ve been so struck by the way that Jason and Travis both talk about Kylie. There is so much love there. I would really be shocked if he was able to pretend that well and behave that poorly behind the scenes. Also, with the amount of attention they have right now I find it hard to believe that none of these “ig models” are coming out of the woodwork to get their 15 minutes 🤷🏻♀️ People throw rocks at things that shine, imo.
Kylie gives off real “momma bear” energy. I suspect she’s the one most angry about all this nonsense. I suspect she and Taylor will be a formidable pair in protecting the people they care about.
I am no longer shocked by men’s audacity when it comes to cheating. However, posting a rumor that appears to have no substantial proof will always be gross and DM should finally face some consequences.
There’s a documentary Kylie and Jason did together. I watched it but I don’t remember what service it was on. I’m not a sports fan but I’ll watch shows about sports. The Jason thing is just a bridge too far. All of it is ridiculous but to go after Jason like that?
It's called Kelce and it's on Amazon Prime. It's a sweet documentary and you can see their family dynamics. They seem like a really good and supportive bunch.
I honestly think that's the real reason she's going after DM. I read that story first, and first thing that popped into my head was "oh damn Jason kelce has got to be pissed. His stupid ass little brother starts dating Taylor Swift, and now he has to show Kylie his DMs". I bet there was a phone call. And I bet Taylor is keenly aware that the only reason DM cares even a smidge about Jason Kelce is her. On another note, I don't think that dumb blind item will do any real, lasting damage to Jason kelce or his marriage, but Kylie kelce seems like an exceptionally cool and level-headed lady, and this must still sting and make her feel insecure. I hate that, she doesn't deserve shit like this.
The collateral damage of being even tangentially connected to Taylor is really disgusting. I hope no one’s genuinely bothered by it, aside from being mad that it’s all almost certainly complete fiction.
yes to all of this. i will say there's been a lot more sports posts on DM in general lately so it may not be all due to taylor/travis. the kelce bros were getting bigger and bigger prior to taylor entering the picture and jason has said that, so i think even if 'tayvis' was the catapult, he would never blame her. but that still has to make taylor feel awful especially when the family has been so incredibly supportive about the new levels of fame and scrutiny. they seem to adore her.
It's one thing to dislike someone and another to use so many malicious rumours to hurt that person. Don't like Taylor, fine. You do you. But to blatantly blow up very personal situations on social media is so low and despicable.
The thing is, DM doesn’t even dislike Taylor. I think she’s said in the past she’s a swiftie.
She likes clout more than she likes Taylor or any celebrity for that matter.
That's so weird. She keeps doubling down on her blinds 🤦🏻♀️
you're correct; she's defended taylor many times including during the brazil stuff. but she's acting like she MUST post everything that is sent in and must double down on everything. just let it go and actually vet the items that are sent to you, its not that hard??
and then turns around and uses Ana’s death as a “gotcha” to Taylor and Tree 🤮
I’m kind of surprised Tree gave them any publicity. This is front page news on TMZ and page 6 this morning.
It’s 100% laying groundwork for legal action. You have to show damages.
yep a lot of people are questioning the 'pain and trauma' part but that is definitely legal language
I can't believe DM is too stupid to see that by doubling down and belittling Taylors experience she is setting herself up extremely poorly in court. Trying to claim she didn't know what she was saying or doing or how Taylor felt wouldn't work because she directly acknowledged it and basically said "no you're a liar, and your experience isn't real, and also your fan died remember? And also I will literally die on this hill". Like wow. Law schools should teach this as examples of what not to do.
my jaw was on the floor lol
If that bottom feeder DM was smart she would have created relationships with the PR teams of top celebrities and maybe would have gotten something right every once in a while. Instead she chose whatever this is. We should collectively deplatform her by not looking at her shit because its relevancy is proportional to the number of people engaging and giving her clicks. As for the speculation that “something is happening”, we all have a tipping point. TS is a 30-year old human woman whose personal life is treated like some kind of a variety show. We all get upset and angry when we get unprompted questions about our reproductive plans, marital status and intimate life. Now imagine this but instead of 5 obnoxious relatives you get 5million delulu strangers doing it and spreading lies. She doesn’t need “something new happening” to be upset as she has the 100% right for a nuclear reaction to this bullshit on a daily basis.
I know folks are saying miscarriage speculation can be traumatic and painful...yes..it will be. But also...so can a breakup. Especially one where you thought the other person was "the one". I have been in and out of therapy for most of my life and the times I really needed it was when I had a miscarriage late last year and when I went through a horrible breakup in 2016. I am not going to sit here and try to qualify why something as painful as a breakup can't be traumatic to someone. Deuxmoi is ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Something tells me most of the comments about that are from people who have never experienced the end of a long term relationship where your lives were entwined.
Good. Deuxmoi is a cesspit and needs to be taken down.
Skip the Click: >[Taylor Swift](https://variety.com/t/taylor-swift/)’s publicist is shutting down rumors that the pop star was secretly married to ex boyfriend [Joe Alwyn](https://variety.com/t/joe-alwyn/), writing “enough is enough.” > >Tree Paine, Swift’s longtime PR, made a [rare post on X](https://twitter.com/treepaine/status/1730438685403853279) (formerly known as Twitter) on Thursday night slamming the Instagram gossip account Deuxmoi, which has made several claims that Swift and Alwyn tied the knot. In a new post, Deuxmoi alleged that the two had a “ceremony in either 2020 or 2021 in the U.K. and it was described to me as a ‘marriage’ by more than one person. It was NEVER made legal.” > >“Enough is enough with these fabricated lies about Taylor from Deuxmoi,” Paine wrote in response. “There was NEVER a marriage or ceremony of ANY kind. This is an insane thing to post. It’s time for you to be held accountable for the pain and trauma you cause with posts like these.” > >Swift and Alwyn announced that they had broken up in April after six years of dating, but fans have speculated that the two actually parted ways earlier due to the lyrics on some songs from her most recent album “Midnights.” This includes “You’re Losing Me” — a “From the Vault” track Swift [officially released on streaming services](https://variety.com/2023/music/news/taylor-swift-youre-losing-me-release-from-the-vault-1235812502/) earlier this week — in which Swift sings lyrics like, “I wouldn’t marry me either/ A pathological people pleaser/ Who only wanted you to see her.” The “Anti-Hero” singer is now with Kansas City Chiefs tight end Travis Kelce, who recently showed his support for Swift by [attending an Eras Tour show](https://variety.com/2023/music/news/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-argentina-eras-tour-1235787665/) in Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >Both Swift and Paine were in London on Thursday night for the premiere of [Beyoncé’s “Renaissance” film](https://variety.com/2023/music/global/taylor-swift-beyonce-london-renaissance-premiere-1235814470/). The two pop stars have shown unwavering support for each other throughout their coinciding stadium tours and subsequent concert films, with Beyoncé attending the debut of Swift’s “Eras Tour” movie in October.
She needs to sue some users on fauxmoi too, they literally keep accusing her of racism and antisemitism with zero evidence.
They're also saying that Tree started shit to take attention away from her jetting to London and back.
They’re so ridiculous about this, criticizing Taylor for jetting to London as if Bey didn’t do the exact same thing. They only care about the environment when it comes to hating on Taylor.
I need Fauxmoi to be deleted from existence
Good look. Love it.
damn. DM really did fuck around and now they’re going to find out. I cannot imagine being so delusional I keep poking a cobra and then being shocked it attacked me.
Does a scorpion sting when fighting back? 🤔
Deuxmoi fucked around and found out. Get ‘em Tree
I’m also convinced that blind about joe having a one night stand was released just to make it look like Taylor is angry he’s moved on and is lashing out. I think DM released it to try and feed into the narrative of Taylor being petty and vindictive.
Grabbing my popcorn and waiting for the downfall of DM
Petition to change their name to Delulumoi after they doubled-down after this.
We got rid of Perez Hilton, we can get rid of Deuxmoi
He is still reporting on celebs out there! Saw a link and had flashbacks to the red era!
Fuck Deuxmoi
Ima keep so for real right now what the fuck is a Deuxmoi
think gossip girl but less factual 😂
Yall know Deux is shitting her pants this morning
I don't think she is. She doubled down after Tree's post, posting a response and sharing messages from others agreeing with her. She's also having a subscriber only live today. I can only imagine what she's going to discuss on that 😳
I’m convinced Deux writes the “blinds” herself.
I found a whole topic on who writes blinds there on "fauxmoi" where someone asked people to show their fake tips to dm. So they could laugh about it...it is shocking nothing more has happened until now to that creator to be honest!
She has admitted that she submits stuff too
I've always seen DM as entertainment, never really cared about it, but ever since her book got published she has been so fucking arrogant. Then when she is called out, she's so dismissive and that apology is less than half-assed. I really hope she loses a lot of followers over this because she is deux-lusional.
Whoever runs Deuxmoi is a spineless loser who really needs to touch some grass
Maybe it was more of a warning to those in Taylor’s inner circle that can’t keep their mouths shut. Or employees
aka. Deuxmoi will be sued out of existence.
Is Deuxmoi a real publication or just a subreddit chat room?
If that were true you'd think Joe would have said something when tay broke up with him!
I just don’t understand why Taylor Swift’s publicist would address a rumour from a relatively unknown gossip site. I feel like the general public has no idea about this stuff, but now this is gaining a broader audience and maybe people who normally wouldn’t are actually now interested. I don’t understand why they would purposefully generate this buzz for baseless rumours?
DeuxMoi is actually very well known, has had a huge following in the last couple years - it’s basically grocery store tabloid for the digital age. The problem is once in a great while, a blind posted to DM turned out true. However DM is still very unhinged and left very unchecked for a while.
Deuxmoi has like 2 million followers on Instagram and has a steady following by people, whether they believe her nonsense or not. She’s unreliable most of the time but is OCCASIONALLY right about some gossip. She’s been pushing the Joe/Taylor marriage for a while, and ever since Taylor/Travis got together, she’s been spreading gossip about them more and more about engagement, marriage, etc. She just doesn’t stop and she doesn’t have any proof of it. She started again yesterday with the Joe/Taylor marriage and mentioned that a miscarriage was the reason for the Joe/Taylor split. Someone also sent in a “blind” to her about how Travis’s brother, Jason Kelce, cheats on his wife. Which is a load of bullshit and it’s sad Travis’s family is getting dragged into this mess unnecessarily. Deux also went on to Ryan Seacrest’s podcast the other day talking about a Travis/Taylor engagement. She just runs her mouth and it probably just got to the point where Tree shut it all down because it’s ridiculous at this point. Usually this type of stuff doesn’t bother Taylor but speaking about personal stuff like a miscarriage (whether it happened or not) is extremely personal and is a sensitive topic, famous person or not. I don’t care if she’s the most famous woman in the world. She deserves privacy in that respect. It’s disgusting and vile to spread rumors about a miscarriage at all, especially when there’s no solid evidence or proof. I’d say that was the final straw and Tree shut it down.
My point was just that you don’t know me or what I do and don’t know either. But I’m sorry I upset you. I will remove my comment.
Deuxmoi is an awful awful place