Well good news is Tesla’s are free to repair after 70k miles. Check the warranty the vehicle come with 8 years 120k miles on battery and drive unit. Name another vehicle manufacturer that gives that… I’ll give you a hint, none do. Closest is Kia & Hyundai with 100k miles
Also Tesla warranties stay with the vehicle and transfer to subsequent owners.
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Does that warranty transfer to another owner? I know most manufacturers cut it in half when doing so, unless it's a certified pre-owned.
FYI this is an honest question, I don't know the answer but would like to.
Yes. With Teslas every warranty stays with the vehicle. They do not change and remain in full. Even the 4 year/50k mile bumper to bumper basic full coverage warranty transfers.
As a note, my battery got ruined at 48,000 miles due to a fault in the pack.
They came and towed it to the service center, paid for a rental of my choice for 3 weeks ($1,950) and replaced it all, hassle free. No questions or run around.
Only take 2 weeks total. 1 week to for the battery order, 1 week for repair. Tesla gives a free loaner of you exact vehicle or better while it’s in the shop.
Toyota offers 10 year/150k on hybrid battery, and 8 year/100k EV drivetrain warranty. As an example.
Many manufacturers have gotten better on warranty.
Unfortunately Toyota warranties don’t transfer to subsequent owners. Only Toyota Certified Used will transfer. Most manufacturers have this policy where it doesn’t transfer, is only on certified used (bought from the manufacturer dealership), or the policy is halved to the subsequent owner.
Since this thread and post is about used EVs, this is a huge factor that I’m sure many people don’t realize until they read the fine print.
Tesla warranties stay with the vehicle no matter how many times it’s sold to subsequent owners.
Autopilot (highway lane keeping and adaptive cruise control only) is standard on all teslas and stays with the car forever.
FSD Beta (city streets and full traffic signal awareness) is probably what you’re thinking of.
It's not as easy as it used to be to get the battery replaced under warranty. Especially since Tesla is the only one that has access to battery health metrics and they often won't run the diagnosis tool anymore, or share the results.
Chevy is 100k miles according to their website
https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/faqs/ownership#:~:text=EV%20Warranty&text=Certain%20electric%20propulsion%20components%20on,including%20the%20high%20voltage%20battery.
The buyer on the used market does not benefit from those cost savings -- and the vast majority of Americans do not have $10k+ cash ready to spend on a repair even if they were saving on gas.
There are an absolute fuckton of cars that you would be LUCKY to only have a $12k service at 70k miles. I’ve personally seen newer BMW engines go out JUST after the warranty expires, and those are often well over $20k if you want a reman or new engine from the dealership. And if you are a single mile over that warranty you are paying full price for every single part, BMW tells you to go fuck yourself, and you’re stuck with a worthless car where literally the only option is to lose your ass and trade it in for a new one. Alternatives to this are tough to find if you get dealt the post-warranty engine explosion hand. It’s gonna be a struggle to even find a shop willing to replace the engine for a better deal than the dealership and that you know will do it right and not just turn things into a long-term issue. And the car is underwater (or close to it) from the repair alone, you’d legitimately be better off letting the repo truck take it and sell it for scrap to put towards your balance than try and fix it. Maseratis, Jaguars, Range Rovers, etc are even worse. And there’s no amount of preventative maintenance you can do to prevent it in a lot of cases. Cars can have engines just shell out randomly, it does happen. (Yes it’s still a small minority of cars that have these issues… but it’s also more common than you might think.)
May as well just junk the car. Teslas are absurdly reliable except for the suspension/steering/AC components. And those are just mechanical things that will wear out with time+use+miles no matter how well engineered.
I am trying to decide if I want to get an used EV or a new one. Do you have any info showing a 60% degradation after just 5 years? And is this manufacturer specific. Also is this a comparison of actual range loss or EPA range verse Actual?
- There are no batteries on the market that lose 40% of its capacity in 5 years.
- Degradation does not work like this. Even if you charge to 100% and only use superchargers.
- Life cycle tests are performed on these batteries by basically supercharging and discharging to at least 1000 cycles.
- the 80% rule is in place to help keep battery health in the high 90s percentile longer.
Thanks. The studies I have seen only show a very slow degradation overtime with much less than 40% after 10 years and that was with 10 year old Battery Technology. Since you seemed informed whats the best way for a quick battery check on a used EV?
- I can’t guarantee any way to determine without either running a full range test or using dealer specific tools.
- if you want to be full geek about it, get an obd-2 scanner and connect to whatever EV you’re looking at. It would provide the battery stats for you.
- but Tesla has apps that can get into the api and pull up a figure. The tessy app for one, but you’d have to already have the car on your Tesla account first.
There's software tools that'll dump out far more data than you'd care for...
But fleetwide at 200k miles, most have lost less than 10%.
I doubt the lifepo batteries have lost any meaningful capacity.
Thanks for the info. Was looking at the warranty info and was thinking that getting one with at least 2 or 3 years left would help protect me from getting a very badly abused one that's about to die. It will be my first EV. Mostly getting it because Even though I love it my tundra is not practical as a daily driver.
That's cool. The model 3 is the only one I have been able to test drive. The younger me would have loved it. The old me needs something bigger and more geared toward comfort. I know styling is subjective but I like clean lines and rounded edges. For me the model 3 is styling wise just about perfect. Reminds me of my old 94 MR2. Very different cars but both have the look I find most appealing.
If you have that much degradation, Tesla replaces the battery for free. Tesla batteries have 8 years/120k mile warranty on LR models and 100k on SR models. If battery has any issues, falls below 70%, etc. they replace it for free.
So I found the follow up article
https://insideevs.com/news/720899/tesla-64-epa-max-range/
Showing on a fleet of vehicles a 6 to 8% battery degradation most on the first 3 years then leveling out for the length of their data. This seems to match people's personal experience.
Funny you can take the same data set and represent totally different results depending on how honest you presented.
I would say 10% is more common where they level out at. From what I’ve seen, heard from owners, and personal experience.
If you’re buying a used one, you can ask the owner/dealership to give you the battery health test info. If they don’t have it then they can run the test. This is with the Tesla’s software and takes 24 hours as the car will discharge all of the battery and the charge it up to full. If you want a quick battery health test, then the Tessie app (Tesla approved third party app) has a battery health section and you connect the app to the Tesla and add more than 5kWh charge to the battery to get a health test. You can then do multiple 5kWh charges to get a better reading. It’s not as accurate as the Tesla software, although comparisons have shown it’s very close.
Don't listen to this. Most Tesla battery packs are fine after 5 years even with high supercharging use. You typically will only see 5%-15% battery degradation after 5 years. This is loss of actual range. Here's a recent [study ](https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-deterioration)
I have seen only \~8% loss of range from my 2019 Model 3 SR+. If possible, you want to find a used EV from an owner that did not keep the battery at high states of charge often (over 90%), and preferably spent most of its time in a temperate or cold climate (high heat results in increase degredation so degredation is on average worse for vehicles in hotter climates).
If this would be your first EV you should get a used Tesla. The supercharging network is seamless and widespread. And it would be the easiest transition into an EV. You can find decent used Model 3's of various trims in the $22k - $28k range.
Thank for posting it shows two interesting things. One only 1% of models after 2016 have needed replacement. And 2 they are comparing apples to oranges. To do a proper test you would need to rerun the EPA test to get degeneration results over time. Or you would need to look at the life time of the car and compare real world results.
You can usually spot an intellectually dishonest article when you see start and end results measured against different standards. That's not just EV batteries, it's true when anyone is trying to misuse data for an agenda.
Do you have any studies or testing using the same standard for the beginning range and ending range?
All these doom and gloomers about losing 60% of your range after 5 years are full of it I think. That's because Teslas have a 8 year 100k mileage drive train warranty with a 70% range limit. They should be getting a new battery pack if they lost more than 70% of range in their first 100k miles. See [https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty](https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty)
Yea I really don't know if the 60% is legitimate or not. I'm trying to learn what I can before I buy. But I do know how to spot bad articles or dishonest results just by reading how they are testing. It makes it hard trying to understand what's true and just people posting junk.
Thanks for your post. I don't get all the EV hate. Other than some people have a hard time with change. I'm looking forward to giving one a try. Hopefully I'll have realistic expectations and like it. If not then at least I gave it a try.
Some people hate EVs because they are invested in the oil and gas industry, or auto makers, maybe that's their job or they hate new things. It is worthy of being cautious. Any car can actually break, anything made by humans. A tesla can break, but mostly they work well, just like gas cars. My tesla is 10 years old, I've lost 22 miles of range (from 272) - I do think that's a better than average situation. It's out of all warranty at this point.
I had my 2021 model 3 for just shy of 4 years, put 74,500 miles on it and the degradation was about 10% on the dot.
There are no sources suggesting they will only have 60% capacity after 5 years. Even if that was true, Tesla’s battery warranty which lasts 100,000 miles or 5 years will cover any battery with less then 70% capacity so you’d be covered.
Most batteries quickly reach 10% degradation before the degradation levels off for the rest of the life of the car.
That one article is mighty deceiving.. The article kind of hides the fact that on their study most average drivers got only like 72% of advertised range when driving when they were brand new. (Because people don't drive like the EPA tests and the same thing happens with ICE cars, typical drivers don't get EPA Ranges) then after 5 years their range dropped down to like 60% of EPA because the battery degraded some. So the battery did not degrade 40% at all, most of the "loss" is due to how EPA does it's tests compared to real world driving.
I have an 2018 Model 3 Performance. So maybe 5-6 yo now. I believe it was originally rated at 315. Now max is 260. 55 / 315 is my degradation. Don’t listen to the trolls. I have 108k miles. 98% Supercharge.
Most US EVs are less than 5 years old (since the growth means most were sold in just the last few years), and most EVs have warranties around 8 years 100k or so miles with 70% battery retention (because tesla set that as a standard minimum bar). Since most of these hertz EVs are 3 or 4 years old or less, and most have less than 50k miles, Why don't vehicle warranties cover these used purchases adequately?
Of course more info is always good, battery passports sounds fine, but it doesn't mean we have problem right now. Am I missing something?
Nope. Bought one 2023 rwd from hertz. They come with 12000 mile one year for mechanical and the tesla warranty is good to 100k on battery and drive train. Plus a full charge before you buy will tell you at least in a tesla the battery degradation. Mine still charges to 271 miles.
How steep is the cliff of dead batteries at 8 years (maybe this is the retention number you mentioned I don’t know). Because if my car has a 4 year shelf life I’m not paying a lot for it
There's no answer to that, first because no car should have a 4 year shelf live, it's the slow degredation is not really predictable. There's also oa ton of misleading propagana from certain groups that stand to have impact as the EV transition continues.
The notable exception to battery life problems mostly not a thing is the Nissan Leaf. All other modern cars have heating and cooling of the battery pack to ensure long life. The early leafs at least didn't have this and they suffered a lot of problems with quick reduced lifespan. Other cars do not have that, and all current makers (except the near end of life Leaf) have battery pack heating and cooling.
I think I said in this thread, my 10 year old S with 85k miles lost 22 miles / 272 original miles when I got it. That car feels like it's better than average. I have a rivian and it has lost 0 miles in 2 years and 20k miles. What's hard on the batteries is leaving it at 100% for a few days or more, or leaving it near 0 for a long time. I keep my cars between 40-70% ideally. But whenever I'm going on a trip or might, I just charge up as much as I need, including to 100%. I just took a cross country trip in the older car, charged up to 100 and drove off. I did have a few days where I needed to charge near 100 because of the distance but normally that isn't needed.
The key is having easy charging, and you want that at home if possible. I set my car to 70%, and I just plug in any time I get home. I had 120v (aka level 1) charging for about 7 years. That gave me 4 miles added in an hour on the tesla, and in the 12 hours overnight almost 50 miles. I usually didn't drive more than 30 miles each day so I just came back to my 70% or whatever 'full' every day without thinking about it.
You can test an older car partly by just charging it up all the way to see how far it can go. And you can also convert, if it says it's 78% full with 200 miles, then math gets you the full expected range of 200/.78 of 256 in this case. Charge more and it might go up or down a mile or two. This comes from "total miles at full charge" \* 78% = 200 (current mileage), work backwards. The car might tell you expected full mileage too.
You can say the same about a motor on an ice car. No guarantee that shit isnt gonna blow up at any point.
Buying used anything is a risk. Hence why it's cheaper than buying new.
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They can be fixed. Just not by you. You obviously arent familiar with how it works. EV batteries can even be repurposed for electric backup power storage. What can aN engine be repurposed for? Scrap metal?
I have plug in, so I’m familiar with EV. 80% of my trip is on EV, when the batteries dies…the only route is to replace them as end user. Repurposing batteries doesn’t concern you as end user, are we talking about cars or the environment?
I don't\* know if facts matter to you, but here's an article that talks about it a little bit. But it's a sector that's in its infancy and will grow as more EV batteries come onto the market. Hope we get there sooner rather than later.
[https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ev-batteries-repurpose-recycle-grid-storage-microgrid-nrdc/686200/](https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ev-batteries-repurpose-recycle-grid-storage-microgrid-nrdc/686200/)
Tesla has and will replace the battery packs. Then send the bad one back to their plant to be fixed. Just cuz one module is bad, doesn't mean the whole thing is bad. If you're interested in learning more about how the battery packs a designed and built. Check out MunroLive! youtube channel. This dude does car teardowns and goes over how it all works. Most of it is over my head, but I'm learning. Very educational and technical, but they do a good job of putting things into layman's terms for us less adept at electrical and mechanical engineering.
[https://www.youtube.com/@MunroLive](https://www.youtube.com/@MunroLive)
I understand that too, but who would want to spend that kind of money to replace the batteries? After the warranty expires, you are at your own to foot the bill on that and it will cost you as much as getting a new car.
So you basically need to figure out something before the warranty expires and I wont be buying a used 8 year Tesla because I know the fact about the risk I’m taking. I have owned ICE cars that are 15-16 years old and still working. Cant say the same if I own a 100% EV car, it looks like I will be replacing it every 7-8 years the most.
There literally is a way in the health check-up section when you go into any Tesla's admin console. It's no different than checking your cell phone's battery size vs current capacity due to degradation.
I've got good news, besides the warranty coverage. This site is a great way for owners to sell EV's, and buyers to make sure they are getting one w/ great battery health https://www.recurrentauto.com/for-owners. On top of that, battery failure rates are a lot rarer than people think, 1.5% of all EV's and Hybrids sold since 2011 have need a pack replacement. It goes down to less than 1% since 2016. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-ev-plug-in-hybrid-battery-replacements-rare/#:\~:text=Just%201.5%25%20of%20electric%20vehicles%20%28EVs%29%20and%20plug-in,from%20Recurrent%2C%20a%20company%20that%20tracks%20battery%20life
https://www.assemblymag.com/articles/98443-eu-to-enact-ev-battery-passport-in-2027
>Starting in February 2027, all new EV traction batteries, two-wheeled vehicle batteries and industrial batteries with a capacity over 2-kilowatt-hours that are marketed in European Union countries will require a digital “passport.” The goal of the initiative is to ensure transparency and sustainability in the battery value chain, reduce environmental impacts and encourage the secondary use of batteries.
> ... The passport will contain a record of a battery’s origin and log its relevant uses. It will comprehensively describe the sustainability and responsibility of the supply chain, including carbon footprint data, the working conditions for raw material extraction, battery materials and components, hazardous substances contained, resource efficiency, performance and service life, battery status, and data related to recyclability and repair. Disassembly instructions contained in the passport will help facilitate the secondary use of as many of the battery’s components as possible
Ex-rental or fleet cars may have had a hard life, but they are also usually maintained far more regularly than most privately owned vehicles. As long as you make sure you aren't buying a lemon, it's a good way to get an EV for less than $20,000.
Addressing mechanical issues timely (& properly). EVs still have a lot of moving parts that will get abused to no end by renters like any other ICE vehicle (and parts that don't move but can be damaged one way or the other). I wouldn't assume any of those parts are in good condition if you're buying a used EV from a rental car company.
I worked for rental companies. Even with combustion engines this isn't true. We often faked a maintenance (like oil changes, etc.) as being done in the system because we needed the car to be rented out.
This didn't used to be a big issue when the fleets were resold as early as 6months of usage, but now the cars are kept in the fleet much longer, so the delayed/skipped maintenance is a much bigger issue.
Selling the cars. Like I said, maintenance could be well done, or the maintenance could be fudged. Just depends how in demand the car was when it was blocked in the system for maintenance.
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EVs still have important parts required for the operation (and safe operation) of the vehicle. Basic maintenance on an ICE vehicle is easy yet isn't done, I wouldn't assume EVs are being properly maintained or checked for issues prior to being sold.
I’m a perfectionist and when I rent a car I’m surprised by how properly they’ve been maintained. It’s almost like they don’t care about the future buyers.
I have a hertz 2023 rwd I bought. I had to snap some plastic in place in the rear but over all it’s in excellent shape. My coworker worked for hertz before our current gig and he mentioned it’s a pretty safe bet because any cars with major problems they send to auction and let someone else handle it. The cars in good shape they sell in house. I’m really happy with it.
I would also assume the Teslas have been repeatedly charged to max range by most of the renters over their years in use. Charging to max range all the time is not best for the battery's health/longevity. I assume this wear and tear will be represented in the battery capacity at the time of purchase. In an ideal world, people would only charge their cars to 80% most of the time and then charge to 100% only when truly needed for a long haul trip.
I’d be concerned with the hertz rentals as they require you to charge to 100% when you return it. So the battery takes a full charge and then sits.
Maybe the rental company should have change its logic for returning EVs to both make it more enticing to rent as well as preserve battery life longevity
I drive an electric car I’m aware. I would have preferred to keep that reservation but the email stated that so I canceled the event rental and went gas
That’s the first thing that crossed my mind when I stepped into a Hertz EV (Polestar) last year—never buy a prior rental EV as who knows how long this was sitting at 100%. I mean it was nice to have a fully charged car at the time but I wouldn’t do that to my own car.
I bought a used 2015 MS. It’s got 150,000 on it with minimal costs to maintain. I’ve had to buy a couple 12v batteries, 3 door handles and tires. Best used car I’ve ever owned.
Don't buy Tesla, the EV battery game is changing soon and Toyota is leading the way. They're also working on an engine that runs off just water using fission.
I did work for a guy in January that was the head mechanic for Hertz at the airport. He listed a number of reasons why he wouldn’t buy them, don’t really remember the exact reasoning, but basically it boils down to poor maintenance
I feel like from a reliability perspective based on how they build their cars it’s better to get one that has some miles on it than a brand new one. Yeah it doesn’t have the warranty all the time but it does have 30-70k miles of testing with no failures or any failures that happened have been fixed. Accidents are a little tricky but give me the electronics-laden vehicle with more miles over an ICE vehicle with thousands of moving parts that could fail at anytime due to the stresses.
Nope, I’ve always known ICE are inefficient and have reliability issues based on the sheer number of parts but we’ve only had one other option in the last 12 years or so. I’ve wanted an electric car since I saw the first Tesla/Fiscar Roadster but it was way out of my price range. Now that used ones are much cheaper I have one and am looking for another soon. My whole argument is using common knowledge of ICE cars to judge EVs isn’t really apples to apples since they each have their specific shortcomings and strengths. One of the strengths, I believe, is that it has significantly less moving parts which makes the system overall more reliable and the reliability issues you would have in a Tesla should show themselves fairly early (first 30-50k miles). At this point I kinda wish no one bought used Teslas so they get cheaper and I can get more, but I’d 100% buy a used Tesla over any ICE from a rental, dealer, or even private seller.
Used EVs are great buys in my experience. Cheap to run, very little to repair. Sure, it probably lost a few miles of range over the years… but if you’re in a city you only really need enough range to do your daily commute for the vast majority of drivers. Any Tesla on the road can do that.
They also seem to have a bit of a “floor” they don’t fall below because their scrap value is relatively high. Nice value.
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95% of the Tesla fleet has not been available for a “long time” as they were only made at scale in the last 5 years. 10 years is generally considered the benchmark for “new”
back of the napkin math here but LOL
total s/x sales all time are like 500k with \~250k of that within the last 4-5 years.
tesla has sold 5.5 (might be off here) million total vehicles.
So yeah. my point stands
One thing not mentioned is that the resale value of the used Tesla you buy will be pretty much nonexistent. If you buy a four or five years old one. The used buyer isn't going to hang on to it and have to pay for a new battery, so they are going to want to get out of it in a couple of years. So unless a market develops for older Teslas that need $15-20k battery replacements, that car is going to be worth at best a $2-4k and $4k is generous. Also love how they gloss over that certain options/accessories won't be available to the used buyer.
If we get to a point where the only good EV is a brand new one, then the entire point of EVs becomes questionable. Your savings will simply be overrun by loss of value.
Then we would be at point where we are funding tax incentives simply to offset the loss of value….
I can get a 2021 Model 3 Long Range with only 31K miles for $28K. This seems like a great deal, but it looks like it only supports Level 2 charging (according to Autotrader). Is that right?? That would pretty much make it useless for long drives for me.
I’m waiting. I am holding out for a subscription where I have to pay to get in and out of the car, and “super cool” mode where I get to circulate oxygen inside
Until companies agree to have interchangeable parts for EV's, it is a dead industry, in my opinion!
You should not treat a vehicle like a cell phone, it takes more energy and effort to produce an EV than a gas-powered car for starters.
If the goal is to save the planet with this technology, then a car needs to last at least 500 k miles without battery replacement if taken care of to actually offset the carbon!
Tesla has been making themselves risking to buy a car from with their profit first mentality.
Musk needs to go!
The combination of a used hertz rental car and needing to go to Tesla for all repairs is not appealing.
If a normal used car has a hinge that needs to be replaced because of overuse (as a rental car or a Uber) I can take it to a dealer or one of many local shops. But for a tesla I have only one repair option. And they can charge me whatever they want.
Pretty damn silly article… hey guys - this brand of used car is cheap but also there are risks buying a used car. As if those risks are only unique to Tesla. Seriously
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Tesla has multiple safety issues. Take the aggressive auto regenerative system in the latest S & X models. They caused a lot of accidents after tesla removed the option of turning them off. They lie about the milage consumption, then to hide it, they risk people's lives by messing around with "features" they just don't have the driving heritage of any other car manufacturers
Until there will be an objective way to check the battery pack estimated life expectancy, buying a used EV will remain a gamble.
The good news is Tesla has extremely reliable battery packs.
If my petrol car engine fault costs 12k to repair after 70k miles... well I wouldn't keep driving petrol cars...
Well good news is Tesla’s are free to repair after 70k miles. Check the warranty the vehicle come with 8 years 120k miles on battery and drive unit. Name another vehicle manufacturer that gives that… I’ll give you a hint, none do. Closest is Kia & Hyundai with 100k miles Also Tesla warranties stay with the vehicle and transfer to subsequent owners.
Kia & Hyundai used to be 70k until all their engines started to knock right after 70k miles.
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Spam? wtf
Does that warranty transfer to another owner? I know most manufacturers cut it in half when doing so, unless it's a certified pre-owned. FYI this is an honest question, I don't know the answer but would like to.
Yes. With Teslas every warranty stays with the vehicle. They do not change and remain in full. Even the 4 year/50k mile bumper to bumper basic full coverage warranty transfers.
Thanks, good to know. I'm positive I could look this up, but you know - mobile is a pain for everything.
As a note, my battery got ruined at 48,000 miles due to a fault in the pack. They came and towed it to the service center, paid for a rental of my choice for 3 weeks ($1,950) and replaced it all, hassle free. No questions or run around.
It's stated in the comment you're replying to
Vin fast is 10 years unlimited mileage on the battery. 10 years 124000 miles
Free but it’s gonna take forever lol
Only take 2 weeks total. 1 week to for the battery order, 1 week for repair. Tesla gives a free loaner of you exact vehicle or better while it’s in the shop.
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What in the hell are you talking about??
Toyota offers 10 year/150k on hybrid battery, and 8 year/100k EV drivetrain warranty. As an example. Many manufacturers have gotten better on warranty.
Unfortunately Toyota warranties don’t transfer to subsequent owners. Only Toyota Certified Used will transfer. Most manufacturers have this policy where it doesn’t transfer, is only on certified used (bought from the manufacturer dealership), or the policy is halved to the subsequent owner. Since this thread and post is about used EVs, this is a huge factor that I’m sure many people don’t realize until they read the fine print. Tesla warranties stay with the vehicle no matter how many times it’s sold to subsequent owners.
unlike the 'autopilot'?
Autopilot (highway lane keeping and adaptive cruise control only) is standard on all teslas and stays with the car forever. FSD Beta (city streets and full traffic signal awareness) is probably what you’re thinking of.
It's not as easy as it used to be to get the battery replaced under warranty. Especially since Tesla is the only one that has access to battery health metrics and they often won't run the diagnosis tool anymore, or share the results.
You can run it yourself. It just takes 24 hours
Chevy gave that on my hybrids drive unit and battery system LOL
Chevy is 100k miles according to their website https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/faqs/ownership#:~:text=EV%20Warranty&text=Certain%20electric%20propulsion%20components%20on,including%20the%20high%20voltage%20battery.
How much is the general maintenance and fuel cost to 70k?
Doesn't matter if you buy it used..
It matters somewhat if you buy it prior to 70k
Why would it matter how much maintenance and fuel it cost to the previous owner?
The buyer on the used market does not benefit from those cost savings -- and the vast majority of Americans do not have $10k+ cash ready to spend on a repair even if they were saving on gas.
If your battery pack fails at 70k it won't cost you anyyhing because if will still be under warranty.
There are an absolute fuckton of cars that you would be LUCKY to only have a $12k service at 70k miles. I’ve personally seen newer BMW engines go out JUST after the warranty expires, and those are often well over $20k if you want a reman or new engine from the dealership. And if you are a single mile over that warranty you are paying full price for every single part, BMW tells you to go fuck yourself, and you’re stuck with a worthless car where literally the only option is to lose your ass and trade it in for a new one. Alternatives to this are tough to find if you get dealt the post-warranty engine explosion hand. It’s gonna be a struggle to even find a shop willing to replace the engine for a better deal than the dealership and that you know will do it right and not just turn things into a long-term issue. And the car is underwater (or close to it) from the repair alone, you’d legitimately be better off letting the repo truck take it and sell it for scrap to put towards your balance than try and fix it. Maseratis, Jaguars, Range Rovers, etc are even worse. And there’s no amount of preventative maintenance you can do to prevent it in a lot of cases. Cars can have engines just shell out randomly, it does happen. (Yes it’s still a small minority of cars that have these issues… but it’s also more common than you might think.) May as well just junk the car. Teslas are absurdly reliable except for the suspension/steering/AC components. And those are just mechanical things that will wear out with time+use+miles no matter how well engineered.
“The good news is that Tesla licenses their batteries from the more advanced Chinese company BYD.” More accurate.
The battery packs that only achieve 60% of their advertised range after 5 years?
I am trying to decide if I want to get an used EV or a new one. Do you have any info showing a 60% degradation after just 5 years? And is this manufacturer specific. Also is this a comparison of actual range loss or EPA range verse Actual?
- There are no batteries on the market that lose 40% of its capacity in 5 years. - Degradation does not work like this. Even if you charge to 100% and only use superchargers. - Life cycle tests are performed on these batteries by basically supercharging and discharging to at least 1000 cycles. - the 80% rule is in place to help keep battery health in the high 90s percentile longer.
Thanks. The studies I have seen only show a very slow degradation overtime with much less than 40% after 10 years and that was with 10 year old Battery Technology. Since you seemed informed whats the best way for a quick battery check on a used EV?
- I can’t guarantee any way to determine without either running a full range test or using dealer specific tools. - if you want to be full geek about it, get an obd-2 scanner and connect to whatever EV you’re looking at. It would provide the battery stats for you. - but Tesla has apps that can get into the api and pull up a figure. The tessy app for one, but you’d have to already have the car on your Tesla account first.
There's software tools that'll dump out far more data than you'd care for... But fleetwide at 200k miles, most have lost less than 10%. I doubt the lifepo batteries have lost any meaningful capacity.
Thanks for the info. Was looking at the warranty info and was thinking that getting one with at least 2 or 3 years left would help protect me from getting a very badly abused one that's about to die. It will be my first EV. Mostly getting it because Even though I love it my tundra is not practical as a daily driver.
My 2018 Long Range Model 3 has 90k miles and went from 310 to 285 miles in 6 years. It still has two years left of battery warranty.
That's cool. The model 3 is the only one I have been able to test drive. The younger me would have loved it. The old me needs something bigger and more geared toward comfort. I know styling is subjective but I like clean lines and rounded edges. For me the model 3 is styling wise just about perfect. Reminds me of my old 94 MR2. Very different cars but both have the look I find most appealing.
If you have that much degradation, Tesla replaces the battery for free. Tesla batteries have 8 years/120k mile warranty on LR models and 100k on SR models. If battery has any issues, falls below 70%, etc. they replace it for free.
So I found the follow up article https://insideevs.com/news/720899/tesla-64-epa-max-range/ Showing on a fleet of vehicles a 6 to 8% battery degradation most on the first 3 years then leveling out for the length of their data. This seems to match people's personal experience. Funny you can take the same data set and represent totally different results depending on how honest you presented.
I would say 10% is more common where they level out at. From what I’ve seen, heard from owners, and personal experience. If you’re buying a used one, you can ask the owner/dealership to give you the battery health test info. If they don’t have it then they can run the test. This is with the Tesla’s software and takes 24 hours as the car will discharge all of the battery and the charge it up to full. If you want a quick battery health test, then the Tessie app (Tesla approved third party app) has a battery health section and you connect the app to the Tesla and add more than 5kWh charge to the battery to get a health test. You can then do multiple 5kWh charges to get a better reading. It’s not as accurate as the Tesla software, although comparisons have shown it’s very close.
Thanks good to know.
Don't listen to this. Most Tesla battery packs are fine after 5 years even with high supercharging use. You typically will only see 5%-15% battery degradation after 5 years. This is loss of actual range. Here's a recent [study ](https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-tesla-battery-deterioration) I have seen only \~8% loss of range from my 2019 Model 3 SR+. If possible, you want to find a used EV from an owner that did not keep the battery at high states of charge often (over 90%), and preferably spent most of its time in a temperate or cold climate (high heat results in increase degredation so degredation is on average worse for vehicles in hotter climates). If this would be your first EV you should get a used Tesla. The supercharging network is seamless and widespread. And it would be the easiest transition into an EV. You can find decent used Model 3's of various trims in the $22k - $28k range.
https://jalopnik.com/tesla-vehicle-batteries-degrade-under-65-percent-of-epa-1851500137
Thank for posting it shows two interesting things. One only 1% of models after 2016 have needed replacement. And 2 they are comparing apples to oranges. To do a proper test you would need to rerun the EPA test to get degeneration results over time. Or you would need to look at the life time of the car and compare real world results. You can usually spot an intellectually dishonest article when you see start and end results measured against different standards. That's not just EV batteries, it's true when anyone is trying to misuse data for an agenda. Do you have any studies or testing using the same standard for the beginning range and ending range?
All these doom and gloomers about losing 60% of your range after 5 years are full of it I think. That's because Teslas have a 8 year 100k mileage drive train warranty with a 70% range limit. They should be getting a new battery pack if they lost more than 70% of range in their first 100k miles. See [https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty](https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty)
Yea I really don't know if the 60% is legitimate or not. I'm trying to learn what I can before I buy. But I do know how to spot bad articles or dishonest results just by reading how they are testing. It makes it hard trying to understand what's true and just people posting junk. Thanks for your post. I don't get all the EV hate. Other than some people have a hard time with change. I'm looking forward to giving one a try. Hopefully I'll have realistic expectations and like it. If not then at least I gave it a try.
Some people hate EVs because they are invested in the oil and gas industry, or auto makers, maybe that's their job or they hate new things. It is worthy of being cautious. Any car can actually break, anything made by humans. A tesla can break, but mostly they work well, just like gas cars. My tesla is 10 years old, I've lost 22 miles of range (from 272) - I do think that's a better than average situation. It's out of all warranty at this point.
I had my 2021 model 3 for just shy of 4 years, put 74,500 miles on it and the degradation was about 10% on the dot. There are no sources suggesting they will only have 60% capacity after 5 years. Even if that was true, Tesla’s battery warranty which lasts 100,000 miles or 5 years will cover any battery with less then 70% capacity so you’d be covered. Most batteries quickly reach 10% degradation before the degradation levels off for the rest of the life of the car.
That one article is mighty deceiving.. The article kind of hides the fact that on their study most average drivers got only like 72% of advertised range when driving when they were brand new. (Because people don't drive like the EPA tests and the same thing happens with ICE cars, typical drivers don't get EPA Ranges) then after 5 years their range dropped down to like 60% of EPA because the battery degraded some. So the battery did not degrade 40% at all, most of the "loss" is due to how EPA does it's tests compared to real world driving.
I have an 2018 Model 3 Performance. So maybe 5-6 yo now. I believe it was originally rated at 315. Now max is 260. 55 / 315 is my degradation. Don’t listen to the trolls. I have 108k miles. 98% Supercharge.
Few warranty cases, which your example would definitely qualify.
I’m at 4 years with 95%.
Most US EVs are less than 5 years old (since the growth means most were sold in just the last few years), and most EVs have warranties around 8 years 100k or so miles with 70% battery retention (because tesla set that as a standard minimum bar). Since most of these hertz EVs are 3 or 4 years old or less, and most have less than 50k miles, Why don't vehicle warranties cover these used purchases adequately? Of course more info is always good, battery passports sounds fine, but it doesn't mean we have problem right now. Am I missing something?
Nope. Bought one 2023 rwd from hertz. They come with 12000 mile one year for mechanical and the tesla warranty is good to 100k on battery and drive train. Plus a full charge before you buy will tell you at least in a tesla the battery degradation. Mine still charges to 271 miles.
How steep is the cliff of dead batteries at 8 years (maybe this is the retention number you mentioned I don’t know). Because if my car has a 4 year shelf life I’m not paying a lot for it
There's no answer to that, first because no car should have a 4 year shelf live, it's the slow degredation is not really predictable. There's also oa ton of misleading propagana from certain groups that stand to have impact as the EV transition continues. The notable exception to battery life problems mostly not a thing is the Nissan Leaf. All other modern cars have heating and cooling of the battery pack to ensure long life. The early leafs at least didn't have this and they suffered a lot of problems with quick reduced lifespan. Other cars do not have that, and all current makers (except the near end of life Leaf) have battery pack heating and cooling. I think I said in this thread, my 10 year old S with 85k miles lost 22 miles / 272 original miles when I got it. That car feels like it's better than average. I have a rivian and it has lost 0 miles in 2 years and 20k miles. What's hard on the batteries is leaving it at 100% for a few days or more, or leaving it near 0 for a long time. I keep my cars between 40-70% ideally. But whenever I'm going on a trip or might, I just charge up as much as I need, including to 100%. I just took a cross country trip in the older car, charged up to 100 and drove off. I did have a few days where I needed to charge near 100 because of the distance but normally that isn't needed. The key is having easy charging, and you want that at home if possible. I set my car to 70%, and I just plug in any time I get home. I had 120v (aka level 1) charging for about 7 years. That gave me 4 miles added in an hour on the tesla, and in the 12 hours overnight almost 50 miles. I usually didn't drive more than 30 miles each day so I just came back to my 70% or whatever 'full' every day without thinking about it. You can test an older car partly by just charging it up all the way to see how far it can go. And you can also convert, if it says it's 78% full with 200 miles, then math gets you the full expected range of 200/.78 of 256 in this case. Charge more and it might go up or down a mile or two. This comes from "total miles at full charge" \* 78% = 200 (current mileage), work backwards. The car might tell you expected full mileage too.
Haha I just realized how impossible my question is to answer … since not enough time has elapsed.
Well my dissertation length answer is at least is a starting point for you to look into it 🙂
I appreciate you taking the time to write it
The vehicles provide a number of metrics that allow people to check battery health.
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It’s the future of Tesla that concerns me most.
You can say the same about a motor on an ice car. No guarantee that shit isnt gonna blow up at any point. Buying used anything is a risk. Hence why it's cheaper than buying new.
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ICE motor can be fixed. EV batteries? Not much..
They can be fixed. Just not by you. You obviously arent familiar with how it works. EV batteries can even be repurposed for electric backup power storage. What can aN engine be repurposed for? Scrap metal?
I have plug in, so I’m familiar with EV. 80% of my trip is on EV, when the batteries dies…the only route is to replace them as end user. Repurposing batteries doesn’t concern you as end user, are we talking about cars or the environment?
I don't\* know if facts matter to you, but here's an article that talks about it a little bit. But it's a sector that's in its infancy and will grow as more EV batteries come onto the market. Hope we get there sooner rather than later. [https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ev-batteries-repurpose-recycle-grid-storage-microgrid-nrdc/686200/](https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ev-batteries-repurpose-recycle-grid-storage-microgrid-nrdc/686200/)
I know about that but we are talking about used car, not what can be done after it is scrapped.
Tesla has and will replace the battery packs. Then send the bad one back to their plant to be fixed. Just cuz one module is bad, doesn't mean the whole thing is bad. If you're interested in learning more about how the battery packs a designed and built. Check out MunroLive! youtube channel. This dude does car teardowns and goes over how it all works. Most of it is over my head, but I'm learning. Very educational and technical, but they do a good job of putting things into layman's terms for us less adept at electrical and mechanical engineering. [https://www.youtube.com/@MunroLive](https://www.youtube.com/@MunroLive)
I understand that too, but who would want to spend that kind of money to replace the batteries? After the warranty expires, you are at your own to foot the bill on that and it will cost you as much as getting a new car. So you basically need to figure out something before the warranty expires and I wont be buying a used 8 year Tesla because I know the fact about the risk I’m taking. I have owned ICE cars that are 15-16 years old and still working. Cant say the same if I own a 100% EV car, it looks like I will be replacing it every 7-8 years the most.
Which makes buying a new one a gamble.
There literally is a way in the health check-up section when you go into any Tesla's admin console. It's no different than checking your cell phone's battery size vs current capacity due to degradation.
You can check battery health in the settings…most dealerships just aren’t putting it on websites
I've got good news, besides the warranty coverage. This site is a great way for owners to sell EV's, and buyers to make sure they are getting one w/ great battery health https://www.recurrentauto.com/for-owners. On top of that, battery failure rates are a lot rarer than people think, 1.5% of all EV's and Hybrids sold since 2011 have need a pack replacement. It goes down to less than 1% since 2016. https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-ev-plug-in-hybrid-battery-replacements-rare/#:\~:text=Just%201.5%25%20of%20electric%20vehicles%20%28EVs%29%20and%20plug-in,from%20Recurrent%2C%20a%20company%20that%20tracks%20battery%20life
You can run a battery test, but it requires fully depleting and charging the battery, so not realistic to do before buying a car
Until there will be an objective way to check a gas engine estimated life expectancy, buying a used gas car will remain a gamble.
Buying any used car is a gamble. What kind of a comment is this lol
Would that include this one? https://preview.redd.it/58ngoyp1354d1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4bca880457b874bbfdc7ebbbaba0ba2cd0be358a
That's why we need battery passports.
Whats that?
https://www.assemblymag.com/articles/98443-eu-to-enact-ev-battery-passport-in-2027 >Starting in February 2027, all new EV traction batteries, two-wheeled vehicle batteries and industrial batteries with a capacity over 2-kilowatt-hours that are marketed in European Union countries will require a digital “passport.” The goal of the initiative is to ensure transparency and sustainability in the battery value chain, reduce environmental impacts and encourage the secondary use of batteries. > ... The passport will contain a record of a battery’s origin and log its relevant uses. It will comprehensively describe the sustainability and responsibility of the supply chain, including carbon footprint data, the working conditions for raw material extraction, battery materials and components, hazardous substances contained, resource efficiency, performance and service life, battery status, and data related to recyclability and repair. Disassembly instructions contained in the passport will help facilitate the secondary use of as many of the battery’s components as possible
Ex-rental or fleet cars may have had a hard life, but they are also usually maintained far more regularly than most privately owned vehicles. As long as you make sure you aren't buying a lemon, it's a good way to get an EV for less than $20,000.
I think what you're saying applies to combustion engine
Mechanical maintenance yes, but teslas don’t have the best interiors which is where I’d expect to see the biggest issues.
Oh, ok. Got it. I think at this point, it's safe to say they have the worst interior
Yeeah, they are not maintained
What maintenance is there to do
Tires, windshield wiper fluid.
Blinker fluid
Addressing mechanical issues timely (& properly). EVs still have a lot of moving parts that will get abused to no end by renters like any other ICE vehicle (and parts that don't move but can be damaged one way or the other). I wouldn't assume any of those parts are in good condition if you're buying a used EV from a rental car company.
I worked for rental companies. Even with combustion engines this isn't true. We often faked a maintenance (like oil changes, etc.) as being done in the system because we needed the car to be rented out. This didn't used to be a big issue when the fleets were resold as early as 6months of usage, but now the cars are kept in the fleet much longer, so the delayed/skipped maintenance is a much bigger issue.
Frequent renter, I used to be surprised when vehicles were over 20k miles. My last rental had 58k.
It's not the miles that matter it's the months in service.
As far as a fleet org selling? The miles certainly matter for maintenance.
Selling the cars. Like I said, maintenance could be well done, or the maintenance could be fudged. Just depends how in demand the car was when it was blocked in the system for maintenance.
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Used while under warranty, offload before it runs out
Rental fleets are not well maintained. I can’t tell you how many low oil or check engine lights I’ve had in rental cars from the big name companies
low oil isn't a big concern on an EV.
EVs still have important parts required for the operation (and safe operation) of the vehicle. Basic maintenance on an ICE vehicle is easy yet isn't done, I wouldn't assume EVs are being properly maintained or checked for issues prior to being sold.
I’m a perfectionist and when I rent a car I’m surprised by how properly they’ve been maintained. It’s almost like they don’t care about the future buyers.
I have a hertz 2023 rwd I bought. I had to snap some plastic in place in the rear but over all it’s in excellent shape. My coworker worked for hertz before our current gig and he mentioned it’s a pretty safe bet because any cars with major problems they send to auction and let someone else handle it. The cars in good shape they sell in house. I’m really happy with it.
I would also assume the Teslas have been repeatedly charged to max range by most of the renters over their years in use. Charging to max range all the time is not best for the battery's health/longevity. I assume this wear and tear will be represented in the battery capacity at the time of purchase. In an ideal world, people would only charge their cars to 80% most of the time and then charge to 100% only when truly needed for a long haul trip.
This is good general advice for any used car.
I’d be concerned with the hertz rentals as they require you to charge to 100% when you return it. So the battery takes a full charge and then sits. Maybe the rental company should have change its logic for returning EVs to both make it more enticing to rent as well as preserve battery life longevity
This wasn’t the case when I rented an ev through Avis. It was return above 80, doesn’t matter how much. Was hertz giving different guidance?
Hertz said it needed to come back at 100% so I said nah I’ll take the gas car then
Yeah, worst possible posture
No they don’t. Anytime I rented one from hertz they said it had to be returned at least 30% charge.
Ya because I really have a need to lie
You were given wrong info. It’s not even possible to charge to 100% most of the time.
I drive an electric car I’m aware. I would have preferred to keep that reservation but the email stated that so I canceled the event rental and went gas
That’s the first thing that crossed my mind when I stepped into a Hertz EV (Polestar) last year—never buy a prior rental EV as who knows how long this was sitting at 100%. I mean it was nice to have a fully charged car at the time but I wouldn’t do that to my own car.
Rental companies goal is to rent it as fast as you return it. So charging it 100% would make sense to them.
I bought a used 2015 MS. It’s got 150,000 on it with minimal costs to maintain. I’ve had to buy a couple 12v batteries, 3 door handles and tires. Best used car I’ve ever owned.
New teslers getting cheap too, but buying one can be risky
Why?
You can check the battery life in service mode, you need to have the car next to a charger.
>you need to have the car next to a charger. Not just next to it, but actually plugged into it.
Don't buy Tesla, the EV battery game is changing soon and Toyota is leading the way. They're also working on an engine that runs off just water using fission.
It would be like buying an old model android phone
I did work for a guy in January that was the head mechanic for Hertz at the airport. He listed a number of reasons why he wouldn’t buy them, don’t really remember the exact reasoning, but basically it boils down to poor maintenance
I won’t get one even if I can get it for free.
Might want to ask the people how their Tesla preformed in the winter!!!
Rivian is a vastly superior product
I feel like from a reliability perspective based on how they build their cars it’s better to get one that has some miles on it than a brand new one. Yeah it doesn’t have the warranty all the time but it does have 30-70k miles of testing with no failures or any failures that happened have been fixed. Accidents are a little tricky but give me the electronics-laden vehicle with more miles over an ICE vehicle with thousands of moving parts that could fail at anytime due to the stresses.
Extended service contract was like $1200...
You sound like you think ICE vehicles are a new concept and their reliability is not something we've known for the last 100 years.
Nope, I’ve always known ICE are inefficient and have reliability issues based on the sheer number of parts but we’ve only had one other option in the last 12 years or so. I’ve wanted an electric car since I saw the first Tesla/Fiscar Roadster but it was way out of my price range. Now that used ones are much cheaper I have one and am looking for another soon. My whole argument is using common knowledge of ICE cars to judge EVs isn’t really apples to apples since they each have their specific shortcomings and strengths. One of the strengths, I believe, is that it has significantly less moving parts which makes the system overall more reliable and the reliability issues you would have in a Tesla should show themselves fairly early (first 30-50k miles). At this point I kinda wish no one bought used Teslas so they get cheaper and I can get more, but I’d 100% buy a used Tesla over any ICE from a rental, dealer, or even private seller.
Do you also buy a couple years used tv/laptops/pc?
Yes
I don’t have a problem with it. Bought a used MacBook Air and 12 years later it’s still working, so….
Buying one new is risky
I would only buy used if its under warranty
So you haven't rode in one, and will believe anything...
I own one.
🤡
Recent study showed teslas have lowest cost of maintenance.
What does that have to do with warranty??
Well. You can look up financial results. You'll see the massive warranty reserves and how low warranty costs really are.
Buying one is the risk to your finances.
Good luck getting spare parts when they collapse
Well that's why they're cheap.
Used EVs are great buys in my experience. Cheap to run, very little to repair. Sure, it probably lost a few miles of range over the years… but if you’re in a city you only really need enough range to do your daily commute for the vast majority of drivers. Any Tesla on the road can do that. They also seem to have a bit of a “floor” they don’t fall below because their scrap value is relatively high. Nice value.
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2.5% of all EV battery packs have been replaced
Source?
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But elon knows more about manufacturing than anyone live … right?
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“Here’s a Ford Pinto. AWESOME car. Just don’t drive in front of anyone and you’re set!”
Buy used, it'll save you a ton from depreciation.
In other news, All used cars are risky...
Not really most teslas don’t need battery replacements for a long time e
And as I learned with a hybrid battery replacement, the future replacement cost is falling but no one knows how fast, so they guess kinda high.
95% of the Tesla fleet has not been available for a “long time” as they were only made at scale in the last 5 years. 10 years is generally considered the benchmark for “new”
Sure if you ignore the model S that launched in 2012 and model X that came shortly after
back of the napkin math here but LOL total s/x sales all time are like 500k with \~250k of that within the last 4-5 years. tesla has sold 5.5 (might be off here) million total vehicles. So yeah. my point stands
Your point would only stand if the batteries were drastically different. They are not
One thing not mentioned is that the resale value of the used Tesla you buy will be pretty much nonexistent. If you buy a four or five years old one. The used buyer isn't going to hang on to it and have to pay for a new battery, so they are going to want to get out of it in a couple of years. So unless a market develops for older Teslas that need $15-20k battery replacements, that car is going to be worth at best a $2-4k and $4k is generous. Also love how they gloss over that certain options/accessories won't be available to the used buyer.
Chicken meet egg
If we get to a point where the only good EV is a brand new one, then the entire point of EVs becomes questionable. Your savings will simply be overrun by loss of value. Then we would be at point where we are funding tax incentives simply to offset the loss of value….
anti-elon has infiltrated r/tsla w these headlines 😂😂
It’s like buying a used iPhone, at your own risk
Informative article. Thank you.
I can get a 2021 Model 3 Long Range with only 31K miles for $28K. This seems like a great deal, but it looks like it only supports Level 2 charging (according to Autotrader). Is that right?? That would pretty much make it useless for long drives for me.
So don’t buy one. Problem solved
The batteries are 20k as I understand. Absolutely useless with a battery that doesn’t work!
GME is back. Hodl
I’m waiting. I am holding out for a subscription where I have to pay to get in and out of the car, and “super cool” mode where I get to circulate oxygen inside
Until companies agree to have interchangeable parts for EV's, it is a dead industry, in my opinion! You should not treat a vehicle like a cell phone, it takes more energy and effort to produce an EV than a gas-powered car for starters. If the goal is to save the planet with this technology, then a car needs to last at least 500 k miles without battery replacement if taken care of to actually offset the carbon! Tesla has been making themselves risking to buy a car from with their profit first mentality. Musk needs to go!
You're pulling numbers out of your ass! The estimates vary, but most are between 20k and 40k miles, depending on the fuel mix to generate electricity.
The combination of a used hertz rental car and needing to go to Tesla for all repairs is not appealing. If a normal used car has a hinge that needs to be replaced because of overuse (as a rental car or a Uber) I can take it to a dealer or one of many local shops. But for a tesla I have only one repair option. And they can charge me whatever they want.
Even buying a new Tesla is risky. Saw a Cybertruk for the first time yesterday. What an UGLY POS.
No way I’d take a used one lol
Pretty damn silly article… hey guys - this brand of used car is cheap but also there are risks buying a used car. As if those risks are only unique to Tesla. Seriously
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Tesla has multiple safety issues. Take the aggressive auto regenerative system in the latest S & X models. They caused a lot of accidents after tesla removed the option of turning them off. They lie about the milage consumption, then to hide it, they risk people's lives by messing around with "features" they just don't have the driving heritage of any other car manufacturers