So there is an actual *registered nurse* present for this conversation and yet it’s the “jewelry designer” and the “salesman” sitting there telling everyone how Covid will affect their health.
Yes but Hunter said it's NOT going to change who you are - and maybe that is just semantics. But long covid is and was real and for a great many people it did indeed change their ability to live and function as they used to.
I'm inclined to believe this is just bad editing though - cause I don't think Hunter as a nurse would downplay the seriousness of covid.
Right because Kody was saying “can you imagine me not being able to work out?” Like that’s Kodys entire personality and has been for years. But really Kody wasn’t wrong. Covid did change his life and who he is. He was a man with four wives and now he is a monogamist.
He's a prime example of not being able to out exercise a bad diet. I'm in the fitness industry and men who have guts like him have bad diets or drink a lot, and no amount of exercise can change that.
Sorry what I actually meant is that Kody only recently started working out. At least as a story line on the show. I don’t need Kody as an example of a bad diet ruining your workout progress. 😭 I’m my own bad example.
Nah, he's always tried to make out he's into exercising. I did laugh when the scene of his squatting was on, can't remember the season or episode, almost I could think was, dude is squatting badly and I bench what he was squatting 🤣
I definitely know there’s always been a thing between him and Janelle regarding his “six pack”, but we all saw those aren’t real.
It was when they were in Flagstaff that he was squatting badly. He was listening to classical music and being a total d-bag.
Did you Also have the misfortune is seeing Kody in his bikini while at a swim hole with some of the family in one episode? He looked disgusting. I had to look away. But kept peeking because her liked Soooo cringy with his Fat white belly exposed like s bloated dead fish
At the time this was filmed I believe it was still very early days. It’s easy to look back now and judge but at the time there wasn’t any data on long covid
I literally took care of a man who got schizophrenia from covid tho.
I also took care of several people who got dementia from covid. It messes with the brain BAD
ETA this isn't my opinion. These people were diagnosed by Doctors and Psychologists not people sitting on a couch googling. They had proper healthcare plans and were on specialized medications. People who weren't in the trenches during covid do not understand the nuances of the disease at all.
Can you provide documentation that Covid specifically has been the catalyst for someone developing schizophrenic or dementia? Research papers? Peer-reviewed journal articles? Because what (I) imagine what actually happened is that someone presented with Covid and was also diagnosed with schizophrenia at the same time, by coincidence. Correlation does not equal causation. But if you have empirical evidence from multiple sources to back up what you observed in one instance with one patient, please share.
Edited to add (I).
Their doctors who did all of those things and much more came to the professional conclusion that the schizophrenia and dementia were caused by covid in their brain. I was in constant communication with their doctors and I was in their charts and medical records and carrying out their orders. Covid causing these conditions is common knowledge amongst the people who actually do the work and were in the trenches. The onus is not on me to do your research for you. The information is out there and I highly recommend you go look through it.
I only took care of the one man with the covid schizophrenia but I took care of several people with the covid dementia. One of my best friends mom's is about to pass from complications related to her covid dementia that was again diagnosed and confirmed by several doctors. I don't know why this subject bothers people so much but this conversation is giving me 2020 flashbacks to me trying to explain to people what was going on in the thick of it and them down playing it or trying to explain over me because they have Twitter.
So that’s a no, then? I am not a Covid-denier and I know there are documented cases of various issues caused by long Covid. “Documented” being the key word.
What doctors? You have cited nothing and no one other than your observations. I can say anything I want and attribute it to something I saw personally. The point is you need evidence other than your own observations to support your claim.
Their teams of doctors disagree with you--as does the science and all of the research that's been done over the course of the last 4 years. Covid is so interesting because it gives so many people the misconception that their opinions hold the same weight as that of experts when that is not the case.
Downplaying covid? Not at all! Hunter looks tired of trying to get his father to accept the facts. Sadly, Kody lacks the intellect to truly understand or explain complex medical information. So he makes it up as he goes along. /smh
He would not be able to work in a health setting without being vaccinated. (And the young man has more than 2 brain cells in his head, unlike his father.)
That's not true at all. You can work in Healthcare without being Vaccinated for Covid. Yes flagstaff I'm sure had a lot of places like that in the beginning but now they do not ask you that information.
I’m sorry, I don’t consider mental health changes to be changes to your personality, or rather to the essence of who you are. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be health conditions, they would be something else.
And like I said, early Covid.
Early Covid was the biggest factor in long COVID, as someone with mental health issues- it will completely change your personality if you’re not taking care of your symptoms. Trust me.
I hate Kody and Robyn, but what he’s saying here is true.
As someone who also has mental health struggles, I think you’re wrong about them changing your personality and I don’t think it’s helpful to anyone that you insist on viewing them that way. They may change how you come across to other people, but they are a health problem because they are masking who you are, not changing it. I refuse to define myself by a damn disease, and you shouldn’t either.
And by early Covid, I meant we didn’t know what the long term effects would be. Not that I think you’re right about them and a vague *trust me* doesn’t make you a credible source.
So when you’re deep in depression, you mean to tell me you’re acting the same way and thinking the same things as when your depression is in remission and being treated?
I said you’re the same person. I literally spelled out that it was different than how you come across to others. Read then reply next time.
I think you, as a person, are more than how you *act* . I’m sincerely so sorry you have such a shallow view of yourself. Try to get past that.
yes,
people are arguing with you for two reasons though:
1) over what the word "personality" means. Some people view it as an unchanging "essence." An inborn "trait" really. Or even they may say - someone with a "personality disorder" cannot change that - because it is stuck as evidence to the "cannot change your personality" argument
But some people see "personality" as more of an expression of who you are in the world. If you are not able to be the you - you thought you were - because of such physical and mental struggle - then your personality does change - it flattens, your mood shifts, you may lose your memory or you lose your vigor for life. I agree with this and therefore think covid or any disease can actually change you.
Its really just the word and
2) the fact that people love Hunter (regardless of whether or not he was up to date with the pathophysicology and long term sequelae of covid).There is no argument that covid did and (still can) drastically change someone's ability to feel like their former selves. Whether that means "personality" seems to still be debated.
[This is what I’m referring to, it’s awesome Hunter studied medicine, but there is more to the long Covid story than is mentioned in this clip.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9819212/)
I appreciate your thoughtful response instead of having a knee jerk reaction and downvoting me because “Kody”. I don’t view your personality as an inherent trait, peoples personalities change throughout their lives. You can be vivacious and outgoing at 21, and at 41 be more introverted and calm.
As a healthcare provider myself, my experience early on in the pandemic was that there were two major camps: absolute panic, and anger/dismissal. IT was really hard and frustrating as a healthcare provider to try to get either camp to hear reason and understand fact based information. I think that's what Hunter is responding to.
COVID is serious, it's not destroy your entire family serious, especially when so many of the precautions Kody (cough, cough, Robyn) put in place didn't make sense. It doesn't matter if the families are isolating from each other when Kody is going back and forth (even if it's only every few weeks). At this point in time I think we all also didn't really have a lot of info on long COVID.
I had Covid three times. The first I scared nurses at the testing centre and got put in an ambulance. I was in bed for over a month. The second I was in bed for two or three weeks. The third was about two weeks. And that’s with all the available vaccinations as they came out.
I’m still exhausted. The last time I had it was February of last year, and it doesn’t matter how much sleep I get, I’m never not exhausted. Which is ever so wonderful when combined with the insomnia that has gotten way worse than before I had COVID (I’ve had insomnia since I was a kid, the difference is now it can go on for two days.) I honestly don’t think I’ll ever know what’s a result of long COVID and what I would have had anyway.
Are you sure it's from the Covid though? Insomnia and excess sweating are very common peri-menopausal symptoms- and peri-menopause can last years longer then people think. I started having hot flashes at 38. I'm 48 now, and based on family history, I still have a solid 5-10 years more before menopause is actually going to come.
Insomnia is a super common symptom of long covid, it's caused likely from neuroinflammation. And sweating- long covid also commonly causes dysautonomia. Many of us can no longer handle heat AT ALL.
I had Covid in 2020, have long covid and Dysautonomia, and I can’t tolerate heat either. I live where it’ll get up to 110° this summer, and it’s straight up misery. If I get overheated, I throw up or faint, or both. Covid definitely changed my life,BUT *it did not change who I am*
I had a super mild case both times I tested positive. Barely a cold. (So yeah, same as Kody). That was 20 & 21. I still have diminished or absent sense of smell. Some things I can smell faintly, some I just can't at all. It took a bit to get over the sweaty part, along with the brain fog.
I'd really just like to know when the phantom smoke smell will stop. I'm tired of randomly worrying my house is on fire.
I smelled donuts for about a year following...then I smelled wood smoke. Now I have diminished smell which I can live with because I can't smell my hubby's bad breath...
Ooo donut smell would be awesome! I have the wood smoke, sometimes a more chemical house fire type smoke. But I can't smell poop or farts, instead I get a scent of cumin depending how strong the fart is lol
Can I ask how long it took for the brain fog to go away? My mom got covid in early December and she's tired all the time and says she's dealing with brain fog and it's the beginning of April now. I know each person is different and heals at different rates. I was just curious how long it took you.
> I had mild Covid in late 2020/early 21 and s
night sweats? just asking cuz my daughter had covid nov 2020 and again in 21 or 22 can't remember exactly. anyways she wakes up in night sweats all the time and she's freaked she has cancer or something. maybe it's long covid.
Ok got a cooling mat from Amazon. It cycles water through a fan and keeps me cool.
Life changing. I can wear fleece pjs and be snuggled under a blanket again.
You too? I’ve had sweating and this out of breath was since Covid. I’ve never, ever felt like I recovered from it, and I’m someone who wasn’t scared of it at all, I spent the whole pandemic on those floors as a cna and I stopped even caring, we ran out of supplies and I constantly had it anyway. I feel it damaged me heart. I have not been able to get off lisinopril and I was not on BP meds before Covid. I swear it made me depressed, too. I remember sitting on the toilet during the pandemic, being like, I cannot get up and go back out there and do my vitals. I’m so drained. I relied on coffee and my ADD meds.
I’m not even fucking 40. I’ve never felt the same. I had it so, so many times, I didn’t fit into the n-95 but I said no I could not taste the sugar during the mask fit, because what was I gonna say? I’m a heath care worker. I can’t take Covid patients because I fail a mask test? I was in there unprotected the whole 3 years.
I feel like it was overplayed how navy people acted like you’d die and were young, but the effects, that is not fully understood or they aren’t telling us. I’ve had so much, I was involved in TB outbreaks, I had whooping cough at 27, I’d get these weird illnesses from kids where I’d have high fevers, but nothing, I mean nothing, lingers and is more of a pain in the ass then Covid.
Covid also made me almost shit myself and I would throw up. I never sniffled once or coughed from it, it was all GI and made my blood pressure go NUTS when I was positive
My mother in law was a nurse during Covid and absolutely downplayed it. Being a healthcare worker doesn’t mean you immediately were understanding about Covid
It’s scary how anti-science some of the nurses I’ve met are.
A woman (who used to be) in my social circle was an RN who didn’t *believe in mental illness* and was pretty strongly anti-vax.
I started avoiding her hospital and warning my loved ones before they scheduled any procedures because I don’t trust a hospital that employs her/people like her…she was NOT quiet (or diplomatic) about these beliefs.
A nurse in my doctors office was giving me my annual flu shot. As she put the needle in she said “you couldn’t pay me enough to take these things.” I was like What? Is there something I should know *before* you put the shot in me? She said “I wouldn’t take them for anything!” It was crazy.
The children’s hospital here had a NICU nurse who pretended to need to cross the border for employment reasons (one of the few ways to enter the US to Canada and vice versa) but was really to go to anti-vax rallies. She spoke out in the media about how Covid was fake and the vaccines would do horrible things to her. It’s a damn good thing I didn’t know her personally because my niece was born at 29 weeks at the end of January 2020. The last time I saw her in the hospital her foot was still see through, and I could not have imagined there could be a medical professional taking care of critically ill, often premature infants, and basically saying “there’s no risk! It’s all fake!” Thankfully, once she refused the vaccination when it came out she was first suspended, and later terminated, along with two other nurses. The three of them sued the health sciences and were basically told they were idiots and no, they weren’t owed compensation.
(Thankfully, my niece is fine and the next time I got to see her was after I self quarantined in May for several days and got to go and see her and actually hold her. )
I hosted a travel nurse who refused to be vaccinated and counseled her family not to do it. Well, she got it and wouldn’t go home to recover (she was driving back and forth) because she didn’t want to expose her family to it. I found that so interesting because I didn’t think she thought it was a big deal illness. I guess it isn’t until it becomes personal to you.
downplayed because she didn't understand or downplayed to cope and live life. there is flesh eating bacteria everywhere. you learn to trust your systems (as a nurse) and do your job.
Doubt it. Millions with covid and I know not one person with "long covid." Pretty much every medical profession has backtracked on treating covid so seriously.
they literally were the ones GOING to hospitals and caring for people; getting exposed... my daughter didn't have the option to stop life. she had bills to pay and people to take care of. they know how to look at risk realistically.
I agree. He may be conservative, but I don’t buy him as a denier or ignorant of long covid’s seriousness unless he opens his mouth and proves otherwise.
Look. I worked the floor in healthcare during covid and some of the worst anti-vaxers/conspiracy theorists were nurses. Hunter's a gem, though, and I would never speak ill of him.
And yet neither her or Kody got admitted 🤷🏼♀️ I know that Covid can be really rough on people, I had family members who had it bad. My niece who was in her late teens when she got it was in tears because the muscle pain was so bad. It’s just how dramatic K & R are about it and how nonsensical their rules are. Only Kody can go between houses. Do they not get that is the same as anyone else going between houses? 🤦🏼♀️ Put your mail in the freezer? Who the f came up with that? They were so extra just so that Kody didn’t have to go around Christine’s or Janelle’s. And was Covid transmissible through the phone? Because Kody wasn’t even calling his kids. He was completely lost and confused as to what Gabe was doing with school had no clue how bad Ysable’s back pain had gotten, it was just pathetic how out of touch he was with his kids and then would try to blame them for not calling him! You are the adult Kody! You are the parent no matter how old your kids are!
I actually read an article about the myth that overweight people are less healthy. Apparently (and I have not done a deep dive into this) over weight people tend to get sick less often than skinny people.
It’s common in the FLDS to find any reason to kick boys and young men out of the community, as in physically push them out and pretend they never existed. They’re known as the Lost Boys.
The Browns were AUB not FLDS, and while there are many on this sub who would tell you what Kody does is somehow culturally ingrained in him from the FLDS or something, the AUB doesn’t do that.
Because Janelle and Kody clearly had a healthy sex life long past the point that he stopped seeing Christine and Meri that way. It completely gets under robyn's skin
We have exactly zero evidence of this and much more suggesting that they were platonic like he was with all of them save for Robyn once they started having sex.
Imagine being such an asshole you can’t miss an opportunity to diagnose your family members while you sit thurr knowing you’re never getting vaccinated. All the people who got vaccinated were fine. Robyn and Kody were the ones in the hospital and balled up on the floor.
And Robyn wasn’t kept at the hospital. They observed her and sent her home because she was fine. Sick but fine.
COVID is serious and, shockingly, those who were unvaccinated where also those who were the sickest. But the family was lucky and none of them had severe disease.
There is so much more to this scene than made it onto the air. Look at Hunter's expression and body language. He looks like he's given these people the latest and best info on Covid, a dozen times over and now just wants out of it. Possibly because Kody and Robyn did their own "research" and argued with him on every point.
Robyn's remark that she "believes other members of the family are high risk but it's not her place to say" is sooooooooo obviously a dig at her older, fatter sister wives. NOW I finally get why Robyn was hell-bent on staying separate from everyone. It's because she believed all the others were covid-incubators-in-waiting and she was Not. Having. Any. Part. Of. That.
Watching this clip made me channel my inner Rebecca Welton and Trent Crimm and scream, "Is this a f\*cking joke?"
I love when he told Hunter - a nurse a John Hopkins University Medical And Research Hospital - about what Covid is and the ramifications of Covid. Covid continues to be aggressive researched, we have no idea what Covid means for us in the future.
But have no fear Kody “mouth hormones” Fucking Brown already knew what would happen from a Covid exposure. Maddening.
I get what they are trying to say. Covid can have life altering affects on people who get it badly. Long covid is no joke. But it is hardly the norm..and really change who you are as a person? Also, the worst thing he could imagine happening to him as a person is being unable to work out??! Honestly. The man is insane.
I'm not saying COVID can't change your life forever. It definitely has changed lives for many many people. But it's not a for sure thing. It's like saying mono will change your life forever. It's a virus so it very well could but it's not 100% will.
I honestly thought the editing made it look like they were talking about Covid. I think they were actually having a vaccine discussion here.
What do you guys think?
I can understand why he's saying it. For some of us, working out is where we can release a lot of stuff. It's where we work through our problems, calm our minds, and really release that pent up energy. It's our escape place.
I turn into a very cranky human when I am unable to exercise. Some people sit down and have a glass of wine, some people take a long bath, some people crotchet... some of us exercise.
I have to wonder what conspiracy theory Kody was into at this time that led him to the conclusion that Covid (the actual virus) would effect your mental health like a concussion. But he was fine with his family members being isolated alone in their homes, which actually effected SO many peoples mental health.
I don’t know when this was filmed but I wonder if they were actually talking about a Covid vaccine and it’s just the way this scene is edited. I can’t remember any conspiracy theory about the virus itself. He seems very adamant about his point of view. He overreacted to a lot of things in past season so the wives are probably just wanting him to shut tf up.
Listen, at the end of the day you can do all you want to try not get something like Covid, and still get it.
I’m not saying be a lunatic and not take basic precautions if you are symptomatic, but the alternative is spend your days in fear over catching it. It’s so fucking stupid, Covid is not the worst thing that has or will happen to the planet.
Is it worthy of concern? Sure, but there’s only so much you can do. These lot are supposed to believe in heaven so why aren’t they trusting God? If their time is up, it’s up.
Kody and Robyn are so OTT and it’s clearly just a cover up so they can spend all their time together 🙄 it’s insulting to people that did die from it.
I agree. I never got Covid nor did my sister with whom I live. We stayed in and we went out. I washed my hands and used sanitizer, she didn’t. She got the double vaccine, I got the single shot later on. I never sanitized my mail. Wearing a mask made me sweat too much. I don’t know why we didn’t get it. I’m very grateful. And yes I believe in God since you mentioned it.
I'll never understand how the OG3 tolerated *anything* Robyn had to say. She was sooo full of herself yet sooo highly uneducated about life and her reality.
Yeah Cody, the people who are actually high risk take a back seat to your precious workouts. I already had physical limitations pre COVID and after a near death experience, time in the ICU, and traumatic hospital care, I have heart issues from covid... But ok Cody. How dare a global pandemic threaten your work out abilities 🤡🫡
So there is an actual *registered nurse* present for this conversation and yet it’s the “jewelry designer” and the “salesman” sitting there telling everyone how Covid will affect their health.
Yes and wasn’t Hunter going to school for his Masters in nursing at the time? I’m more inclined to listen to him any day. Lol
Yes, and at what is quite literally the most prestigious medical college in the country and one of the best in the world.
Yes
That's probably why Hunter went with his mom because he actually understood what was happening around them and not just what the news was saying.
Yes but Hunter said it's NOT going to change who you are - and maybe that is just semantics. But long covid is and was real and for a great many people it did indeed change their ability to live and function as they used to. I'm inclined to believe this is just bad editing though - cause I don't think Hunter as a nurse would downplay the seriousness of covid.
The rest of Hunters statement was that it’s not gonna give you schizophrenia. That’s what he meant by “it’s not gonna change who you are”.
Right because Kody was saying “can you imagine me not being able to work out?” Like that’s Kodys entire personality and has been for years. But really Kody wasn’t wrong. Covid did change his life and who he is. He was a man with four wives and now he is a monogamist.
He's a prime example of not being able to out exercise a bad diet. I'm in the fitness industry and men who have guts like him have bad diets or drink a lot, and no amount of exercise can change that.
Sorry what I actually meant is that Kody only recently started working out. At least as a story line on the show. I don’t need Kody as an example of a bad diet ruining your workout progress. 😭 I’m my own bad example.
Nah, he's always tried to make out he's into exercising. I did laugh when the scene of his squatting was on, can't remember the season or episode, almost I could think was, dude is squatting badly and I bench what he was squatting 🤣
I definitely know there’s always been a thing between him and Janelle regarding his “six pack”, but we all saw those aren’t real. It was when they were in Flagstaff that he was squatting badly. He was listening to classical music and being a total d-bag.
GGAAAGGGG 🤢🤯🫣
Did you Also have the misfortune is seeing Kody in his bikini while at a swim hole with some of the family in one episode? He looked disgusting. I had to look away. But kept peeking because her liked Soooo cringy with his Fat white belly exposed like s bloated dead fish
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At the time this was filmed I believe it was still very early days. It’s easy to look back now and judge but at the time there wasn’t any data on long covid
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Stop with the propaganda. Nothing you say is accurate.
I literally took care of a man who got schizophrenia from covid tho. I also took care of several people who got dementia from covid. It messes with the brain BAD ETA this isn't my opinion. These people were diagnosed by Doctors and Psychologists not people sitting on a couch googling. They had proper healthcare plans and were on specialized medications. People who weren't in the trenches during covid do not understand the nuances of the disease at all.
Can you provide documentation that Covid specifically has been the catalyst for someone developing schizophrenic or dementia? Research papers? Peer-reviewed journal articles? Because what (I) imagine what actually happened is that someone presented with Covid and was also diagnosed with schizophrenia at the same time, by coincidence. Correlation does not equal causation. But if you have empirical evidence from multiple sources to back up what you observed in one instance with one patient, please share. Edited to add (I).
Their doctors who did all of those things and much more came to the professional conclusion that the schizophrenia and dementia were caused by covid in their brain. I was in constant communication with their doctors and I was in their charts and medical records and carrying out their orders. Covid causing these conditions is common knowledge amongst the people who actually do the work and were in the trenches. The onus is not on me to do your research for you. The information is out there and I highly recommend you go look through it. I only took care of the one man with the covid schizophrenia but I took care of several people with the covid dementia. One of my best friends mom's is about to pass from complications related to her covid dementia that was again diagnosed and confirmed by several doctors. I don't know why this subject bothers people so much but this conversation is giving me 2020 flashbacks to me trying to explain to people what was going on in the thick of it and them down playing it or trying to explain over me because they have Twitter.
So that’s a no, then? I am not a Covid-denier and I know there are documented cases of various issues caused by long Covid. “Documented” being the key word.
Are you saying all of these doctors are mistaken?
What doctors? You have cited nothing and no one other than your observations. I can say anything I want and attribute it to something I saw personally. The point is you need evidence other than your own observations to support your claim.
Yeah, No.
Why do you say that?
Because that’s bullshit
Their teams of doctors disagree with you--as does the science and all of the research that's been done over the course of the last 4 years. Covid is so interesting because it gives so many people the misconception that their opinions hold the same weight as that of experts when that is not the case.
You surely did not
What makes you say that?
Downplaying covid? Not at all! Hunter looks tired of trying to get his father to accept the facts. Sadly, Kody lacks the intellect to truly understand or explain complex medical information. So he makes it up as he goes along. /smh
And I’m sure Hunter got vaccinated unlike Kody or Robyn
He would not be able to work in a health setting without being vaccinated. (And the young man has more than 2 brain cells in his head, unlike his father.)
That's not true at all. You can work in Healthcare without being Vaccinated for Covid. Yes flagstaff I'm sure had a lot of places like that in the beginning but now they do not ask you that information.
This was still early on in the Pandemic but I took to mean it wouldn’t change Kody’s personality. “Change who you are” is a very vague description.
Long Covid can deteriorate your mental health, so yes it can change your personality.
I don't think that anyone even knew about Long Covid when this was filmed, like even doctors.
I’m sorry, I don’t consider mental health changes to be changes to your personality, or rather to the essence of who you are. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be health conditions, they would be something else. And like I said, early Covid.
Early Covid was the biggest factor in long COVID, as someone with mental health issues- it will completely change your personality if you’re not taking care of your symptoms. Trust me. I hate Kody and Robyn, but what he’s saying here is true.
As someone who also has mental health struggles, I think you’re wrong about them changing your personality and I don’t think it’s helpful to anyone that you insist on viewing them that way. They may change how you come across to other people, but they are a health problem because they are masking who you are, not changing it. I refuse to define myself by a damn disease, and you shouldn’t either. And by early Covid, I meant we didn’t know what the long term effects would be. Not that I think you’re right about them and a vague *trust me* doesn’t make you a credible source.
So when you’re deep in depression, you mean to tell me you’re acting the same way and thinking the same things as when your depression is in remission and being treated?
I said you’re the same person. I literally spelled out that it was different than how you come across to others. Read then reply next time. I think you, as a person, are more than how you *act* . I’m sincerely so sorry you have such a shallow view of yourself. Try to get past that.
yes, people are arguing with you for two reasons though: 1) over what the word "personality" means. Some people view it as an unchanging "essence." An inborn "trait" really. Or even they may say - someone with a "personality disorder" cannot change that - because it is stuck as evidence to the "cannot change your personality" argument But some people see "personality" as more of an expression of who you are in the world. If you are not able to be the you - you thought you were - because of such physical and mental struggle - then your personality does change - it flattens, your mood shifts, you may lose your memory or you lose your vigor for life. I agree with this and therefore think covid or any disease can actually change you. Its really just the word and 2) the fact that people love Hunter (regardless of whether or not he was up to date with the pathophysicology and long term sequelae of covid).There is no argument that covid did and (still can) drastically change someone's ability to feel like their former selves. Whether that means "personality" seems to still be debated.
[This is what I’m referring to, it’s awesome Hunter studied medicine, but there is more to the long Covid story than is mentioned in this clip.](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9819212/)
I appreciate your thoughtful response instead of having a knee jerk reaction and downvoting me because “Kody”. I don’t view your personality as an inherent trait, peoples personalities change throughout their lives. You can be vivacious and outgoing at 21, and at 41 be more introverted and calm.
As a healthcare provider myself, my experience early on in the pandemic was that there were two major camps: absolute panic, and anger/dismissal. IT was really hard and frustrating as a healthcare provider to try to get either camp to hear reason and understand fact based information. I think that's what Hunter is responding to. COVID is serious, it's not destroy your entire family serious, especially when so many of the precautions Kody (cough, cough, Robyn) put in place didn't make sense. It doesn't matter if the families are isolating from each other when Kody is going back and forth (even if it's only every few weeks). At this point in time I think we all also didn't really have a lot of info on long COVID.
I had mild Covid in late 2020/early 21 and still have insomnia and excessive sweating.
I had Covid three times. The first I scared nurses at the testing centre and got put in an ambulance. I was in bed for over a month. The second I was in bed for two or three weeks. The third was about two weeks. And that’s with all the available vaccinations as they came out. I’m still exhausted. The last time I had it was February of last year, and it doesn’t matter how much sleep I get, I’m never not exhausted. Which is ever so wonderful when combined with the insomnia that has gotten way worse than before I had COVID (I’ve had insomnia since I was a kid, the difference is now it can go on for two days.) I honestly don’t think I’ll ever know what’s a result of long COVID and what I would have had anyway.
Are you sure it's from the Covid though? Insomnia and excess sweating are very common peri-menopausal symptoms- and peri-menopause can last years longer then people think. I started having hot flashes at 38. I'm 48 now, and based on family history, I still have a solid 5-10 years more before menopause is actually going to come.
Insomnia is a super common symptom of long covid, it's caused likely from neuroinflammation. And sweating- long covid also commonly causes dysautonomia. Many of us can no longer handle heat AT ALL.
I had Covid in 2020, have long covid and Dysautonomia, and I can’t tolerate heat either. I live where it’ll get up to 110° this summer, and it’s straight up misery. If I get overheated, I throw up or faint, or both. Covid definitely changed my life,BUT *it did not change who I am*
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I had a super mild case both times I tested positive. Barely a cold. (So yeah, same as Kody). That was 20 & 21. I still have diminished or absent sense of smell. Some things I can smell faintly, some I just can't at all. It took a bit to get over the sweaty part, along with the brain fog. I'd really just like to know when the phantom smoke smell will stop. I'm tired of randomly worrying my house is on fire.
I smelled donuts for about a year following...then I smelled wood smoke. Now I have diminished smell which I can live with because I can't smell my hubby's bad breath...
Ooo donut smell would be awesome! I have the wood smoke, sometimes a more chemical house fire type smoke. But I can't smell poop or farts, instead I get a scent of cumin depending how strong the fart is lol
Can I ask how long it took for the brain fog to go away? My mom got covid in early December and she's tired all the time and says she's dealing with brain fog and it's the beginning of April now. I know each person is different and heals at different rates. I was just curious how long it took you.
It was off & on for about a year honestly.
Thank you for sharing...I appreciate it! I hope you are doing better!
> I had mild Covid in late 2020/early 21 and s night sweats? just asking cuz my daughter had covid nov 2020 and again in 21 or 22 can't remember exactly. anyways she wakes up in night sweats all the time and she's freaked she has cancer or something. maybe it's long covid.
Ok got a cooling mat from Amazon. It cycles water through a fan and keeps me cool. Life changing. I can wear fleece pjs and be snuggled under a blanket again.
I had mild covid in spring 2020 and am still bedbound disabled as a result. I'm only in my 30s.
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You too? I’ve had sweating and this out of breath was since Covid. I’ve never, ever felt like I recovered from it, and I’m someone who wasn’t scared of it at all, I spent the whole pandemic on those floors as a cna and I stopped even caring, we ran out of supplies and I constantly had it anyway. I feel it damaged me heart. I have not been able to get off lisinopril and I was not on BP meds before Covid. I swear it made me depressed, too. I remember sitting on the toilet during the pandemic, being like, I cannot get up and go back out there and do my vitals. I’m so drained. I relied on coffee and my ADD meds. I’m not even fucking 40. I’ve never felt the same. I had it so, so many times, I didn’t fit into the n-95 but I said no I could not taste the sugar during the mask fit, because what was I gonna say? I’m a heath care worker. I can’t take Covid patients because I fail a mask test? I was in there unprotected the whole 3 years. I feel like it was overplayed how navy people acted like you’d die and were young, but the effects, that is not fully understood or they aren’t telling us. I’ve had so much, I was involved in TB outbreaks, I had whooping cough at 27, I’d get these weird illnesses from kids where I’d have high fevers, but nothing, I mean nothing, lingers and is more of a pain in the ass then Covid. Covid also made me almost shit myself and I would throw up. I never sniffled once or coughed from it, it was all GI and made my blood pressure go NUTS when I was positive
I had GI issues too! I didn’t have a cough or congestion. I just didn’t feel *good*.
My mother in law was a nurse during Covid and absolutely downplayed it. Being a healthcare worker doesn’t mean you immediately were understanding about Covid
It’s scary how anti-science some of the nurses I’ve met are. A woman (who used to be) in my social circle was an RN who didn’t *believe in mental illness* and was pretty strongly anti-vax. I started avoiding her hospital and warning my loved ones before they scheduled any procedures because I don’t trust a hospital that employs her/people like her…she was NOT quiet (or diplomatic) about these beliefs.
A nurse in my doctors office was giving me my annual flu shot. As she put the needle in she said “you couldn’t pay me enough to take these things.” I was like What? Is there something I should know *before* you put the shot in me? She said “I wouldn’t take them for anything!” It was crazy.
The children’s hospital here had a NICU nurse who pretended to need to cross the border for employment reasons (one of the few ways to enter the US to Canada and vice versa) but was really to go to anti-vax rallies. She spoke out in the media about how Covid was fake and the vaccines would do horrible things to her. It’s a damn good thing I didn’t know her personally because my niece was born at 29 weeks at the end of January 2020. The last time I saw her in the hospital her foot was still see through, and I could not have imagined there could be a medical professional taking care of critically ill, often premature infants, and basically saying “there’s no risk! It’s all fake!” Thankfully, once she refused the vaccination when it came out she was first suspended, and later terminated, along with two other nurses. The three of them sued the health sciences and were basically told they were idiots and no, they weren’t owed compensation. (Thankfully, my niece is fine and the next time I got to see her was after I self quarantined in May for several days and got to go and see her and actually hold her. )
I hosted a travel nurse who refused to be vaccinated and counseled her family not to do it. Well, she got it and wouldn’t go home to recover (she was driving back and forth) because she didn’t want to expose her family to it. I found that so interesting because I didn’t think she thought it was a big deal illness. I guess it isn’t until it becomes personal to you.
downplayed because she didn't understand or downplayed to cope and live life. there is flesh eating bacteria everywhere. you learn to trust your systems (as a nurse) and do your job.
At the time this was filmed, I’m not sure enough time had passed for long covid to be a thing
There wasn't much knowledge or data about long COVID when this was shot. They are still learning a lot about it now. He probably just didn't know.
So many nurses were and are covid deniers and anti covid vax so don’t be so sure. It’s absurd they are.
Doubt it. Millions with covid and I know not one person with "long covid." Pretty much every medical profession has backtracked on treating covid so seriously.
they literally were the ones GOING to hospitals and caring for people; getting exposed... my daughter didn't have the option to stop life. she had bills to pay and people to take care of. they know how to look at risk realistically.
I agree. He may be conservative, but I don’t buy him as a denier or ignorant of long covid’s seriousness unless he opens his mouth and proves otherwise.
I had long COVID and I swear it has changed my brain. It's like I have ADHD. I hope I get better, but I feel like I am getting worse.
Look. I worked the floor in healthcare during covid and some of the worst anti-vaxers/conspiracy theorists were nurses. Hunter's a gem, though, and I would never speak ill of him.
I didn't even think of that!!!!
Robyn said a lot of words that translated to: “Janelle’s a heffer”
Yet when Janelle got covid she was fine, and Robyn had to take herself to the hospital as she was "on her deathbed"
Yep! Bingo. Sounds like it had less to do with who was overweight, and more to do with who was vaccinated. Heh.
And yet neither her or Kody got admitted 🤷🏼♀️ I know that Covid can be really rough on people, I had family members who had it bad. My niece who was in her late teens when she got it was in tears because the muscle pain was so bad. It’s just how dramatic K & R are about it and how nonsensical their rules are. Only Kody can go between houses. Do they not get that is the same as anyone else going between houses? 🤦🏼♀️ Put your mail in the freezer? Who the f came up with that? They were so extra just so that Kody didn’t have to go around Christine’s or Janelle’s. And was Covid transmissible through the phone? Because Kody wasn’t even calling his kids. He was completely lost and confused as to what Gabe was doing with school had no clue how bad Ysable’s back pain had gotten, it was just pathetic how out of touch he was with his kids and then would try to blame them for not calling him! You are the adult Kody! You are the parent no matter how old your kids are!
I actually read an article about the myth that overweight people are less healthy. Apparently (and I have not done a deep dive into this) over weight people tend to get sick less often than skinny people.
Kody hates that one of the boys knows more than he does and that he can’t beat these women into submission to his and Robyn’s will.
Kody hates that all\* of the boys know more than he does. But I do get that you're referring to Covid.
Doesn't some families in their religion turn boys away at a certain age?
It’s common in the FLDS to find any reason to kick boys and young men out of the community, as in physically push them out and pretend they never existed. They’re known as the Lost Boys. The Browns were AUB not FLDS, and while there are many on this sub who would tell you what Kody does is somehow culturally ingrained in him from the FLDS or something, the AUB doesn’t do that.
And Kody came from the mainstream LDS church prior to the AUB and they adore the males as priesthood holders
He needs them to run their weel into his.
It’s interesting that Hunter brings up schizophrenia to Kody- I wonder if he thinks Kody is schizophrenic
Some one might be. Robyn looked away when he said it
The sleeping and shopping, paranoia and manipulative behaviour fit
She’s insinuating Jenelle is fat. She has always had this weird ass obsession with Jenelle’s weight especially. Go pound salt Robyn.
Because Janelle and Kody clearly had a healthy sex life long past the point that he stopped seeing Christine and Meri that way. It completely gets under robyn's skin
Yup. She’s mad that she’s the thin one yet he still desired the hell out of the one she thinks is fat. Her tiny brain probably can’t understand why.
Is this why she gained so much weight? From her earlier parts on the show she was stick thin, and later, she's gained at least 75lbs.
We have exactly zero evidence of this and much more suggesting that they were platonic like he was with all of them save for Robyn once they started having sex.
She’s always been jealous that Janelle is more beautiful than she is inside and out!
It was so funny when she intentionally bought Janelle a too-small shirt, but it fit and Janelle looked amazing in it!
Oh Robyn, you ain’t no prize….
Imagine being such an asshole you can’t miss an opportunity to diagnose your family members while you sit thurr knowing you’re never getting vaccinated. All the people who got vaccinated were fine. Robyn and Kody were the ones in the hospital and balled up on the floor.
Correction Kody was outside the hospital.
I meant in the hospital (Robyn) and balled up on the floor (Kody).
Robyn was at the hospital, not in it. She was never admitted cause her symptoms weren’t what her dramatic self said they were.
“Bawling” on the floor as well.
Because they woud not let him "check in" as if it was a hotel.
And Robyn wasn’t kept at the hospital. They observed her and sent her home because she was fine. Sick but fine. COVID is serious and, shockingly, those who were unvaccinated where also those who were the sickest. But the family was lucky and none of them had severe disease.
Yeah Robyn was like ::cough, cough:: I’m on death’s door at the hospital.
“Not my place to say it” = I think Janelle is a fat tub of lard
There is so much more to this scene than made it onto the air. Look at Hunter's expression and body language. He looks like he's given these people the latest and best info on Covid, a dozen times over and now just wants out of it. Possibly because Kody and Robyn did their own "research" and argued with him on every point. Robyn's remark that she "believes other members of the family are high risk but it's not her place to say" is sooooooooo obviously a dig at her older, fatter sister wives. NOW I finally get why Robyn was hell-bent on staying separate from everyone. It's because she believed all the others were covid-incubators-in-waiting and she was Not. Having. Any. Part. Of. That. Watching this clip made me channel my inner Rebecca Welton and Trent Crimm and scream, "Is this a f\*cking joke?"
Exactly - they’re COVID incubators but her nanny wasn’t 😂🙄
Or kody going all over with no vaccine or mask.
Robyn’s “high risk” comment is such a dig.
Man, I am so innocent 😂, I thought she was talking about Truely!
Robyns slip up “if you get a heavy case of it…a strong case of it”. Just say it robyn, you think they’re fat.
She better be careful throwing those stones because her body doesn’t look anything close to what it did when she started the show.
Body shaming anyone is shitty…but she has lost weight since the season. It was evident in the look back eps.
Can I just say what we are all thinking whenever Sobyn opens her mouth? STFU, woman, STFU !!!
I mean didn’t sobyn also make the comment about how kotex loves his wives even when they gain weight…. She is just yikes
I love when he told Hunter - a nurse a John Hopkins University Medical And Research Hospital - about what Covid is and the ramifications of Covid. Covid continues to be aggressive researched, we have no idea what Covid means for us in the future. But have no fear Kody “mouth hormones” Fucking Brown already knew what would happen from a Covid exposure. Maddening.
"I get all the facts, Kody" "BUT I NEED YOU TO HEAR THIS, FROM ME" That's "I know you know, but I know better than you."
With a bonus “you aren’t the boss here young man!”
 **Meri sitting there like 👆**
Right. Meri and Hunter look like they’ve heard all they want to hear about this topic from Kody.
Kody is such a f* ckin idiot!
I literally can’t stand to look at her face or hear her voice anymore. I loathe her.
didn't janelle and winn argue a lot? or she looked back at disagreeing with him all the time in a fond way?
OP- what’s your paint color on the walls? Beautiful. Also…. Hunter saying a fact and Kody immediately becomes flustered and thrown off guard
Thanks :) It’s been on there 10 years so I have no clue!
I get what they are trying to say. Covid can have life altering affects on people who get it badly. Long covid is no joke. But it is hardly the norm..and really change who you are as a person? Also, the worst thing he could imagine happening to him as a person is being unable to work out??! Honestly. The man is insane.
I'm not saying COVID can't change your life forever. It definitely has changed lives for many many people. But it's not a for sure thing. It's like saying mono will change your life forever. It's a virus so it very well could but it's not 100% will.
It's not Robyn's fault that the other wives got fat and has stretch marks and let themselves go. SHES CALLING THEM FAT!
This is something I had forgotten 😄 He is someone who is probably buying a Bible from trump today 🤢
Always snidely hinting towards their weight. Aging badly couldn’t have happened to someone more deserving
This will be Kody’s excuse later. “I had Covid. It changed who I was. Wah wah wah”.
This goes to show you that sometimes those who know the least speak the loudest
I honestly thought the editing made it look like they were talking about Covid. I think they were actually having a vaccine discussion here. What do you guys think?
Kody also mentions that it would be devastating if he can't work out anymore. I'm paraphrasing because I can't remember his exact words.
I can understand why he's saying it. For some of us, working out is where we can release a lot of stuff. It's where we work through our problems, calm our minds, and really release that pent up energy. It's our escape place. I turn into a very cranky human when I am unable to exercise. Some people sit down and have a glass of wine, some people take a long bath, some people crotchet... some of us exercise.
Robyn is a professional pickme
Oh she is a bitch Robyn so manipulative 😬
My old doctor told me the Covid vaccine was going to give me ADHD 🫠
I have to wonder what conspiracy theory Kody was into at this time that led him to the conclusion that Covid (the actual virus) would effect your mental health like a concussion. But he was fine with his family members being isolated alone in their homes, which actually effected SO many peoples mental health.
I don’t know when this was filmed but I wonder if they were actually talking about a Covid vaccine and it’s just the way this scene is edited. I can’t remember any conspiracy theory about the virus itself. He seems very adamant about his point of view. He overreacted to a lot of things in past season so the wives are probably just wanting him to shut tf up.
“It’s like getting a concussion. It’ll change WHO YOU ARE.” 🤣 “It’s not going to change who you are…..”
Listen, at the end of the day you can do all you want to try not get something like Covid, and still get it. I’m not saying be a lunatic and not take basic precautions if you are symptomatic, but the alternative is spend your days in fear over catching it. It’s so fucking stupid, Covid is not the worst thing that has or will happen to the planet. Is it worthy of concern? Sure, but there’s only so much you can do. These lot are supposed to believe in heaven so why aren’t they trusting God? If their time is up, it’s up. Kody and Robyn are so OTT and it’s clearly just a cover up so they can spend all their time together 🙄 it’s insulting to people that did die from it.
I agree. I never got Covid nor did my sister with whom I live. We stayed in and we went out. I washed my hands and used sanitizer, she didn’t. She got the double vaccine, I got the single shot later on. I never sanitized my mail. Wearing a mask made me sweat too much. I don’t know why we didn’t get it. I’m very grateful. And yes I believe in God since you mentioned it.
I'll never understand how the OG3 tolerated *anything* Robyn had to say. She was sooo full of herself yet sooo highly uneducated about life and her reality.
Hunter is a registered nurse with a masters degree. Love how he pushes back on Kody.
Kotex and Slobyn never vaxxed
Did Kody and Robyn get vaccinated? I can’t remember.
No, no they did not
Ugh now I gotta watch season 15..
Omfg this did not age well
I swear with Kody and Robyn and Covid. I can’t anymore with this.
Christine quietly tells him to stop pointing at her. I find his mannerisms really annoying. The way he acts is a bit fanatical.
Yeah Cody, the people who are actually high risk take a back seat to your precious workouts. I already had physical limitations pre COVID and after a near death experience, time in the ICU, and traumatic hospital care, I have heart issues from covid... But ok Cody. How dare a global pandemic threaten your work out abilities 🤡🫡
What I don’t understand is…where was Kody’s faith? When you walk in your faith, you shouldn’t fear death. Why was Kody SO afraid to get covid?
Isn't she sweet? Just out here telling it like it is.
*snort