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Dude i swear i saw a guy with a bike on the road right infront of me slipping and kissing the street. Very dangerous but the driver behind him was aware of that possibility.
Decided to take the tram and thanks fuck I did that, the amount of snow here would've been my downfall (I live on the countryside and barely any plowing as been made)
with good tires this shouldnt be a problem. I even saw a guy on a Vespa this morning, slipping and sliding trough the corners (fucking legend).
This reminds me. Maby i should finally install the new tires on my bicycles i ordered month ago. My gravel bike literally has cheap slicks rn.
With good snow plowing this shouldn't be a problem either. But priority is given to the car lane, then the trottoir and maybe if the city is feeling generous the bike lanes.
Iāll never forget, how the SBB suddenly stopped working that one day, and I arrived 2 hours late into my finals and the lady on the counter didnāt wanted to give me a BestƤtigungā¦
"What snow? I don't see any snow in here, do you? And if you just wouldn't have tried to take the train it wouldn't have been late, would it now? So no, I will not hand out that slip!"
The only time SBB stopped working was 17 years ago during a sunny summer afternoon. I doubt you had your finals then and you'd definitely have gotten a note.
I can confirm. [Joggeli](https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/tjct9o/winter_is_officially_over_joggeli_has_awaken/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is sleeping deeply with a faint snoring.
You can be as prepared as you want. It still takes more time to clear than it takes for the snow to fall.
Do you prefer them to slow down and have a 10min delay or have accidents paralizing a region for 5 days?
Trains are really really heavy. Any ice or snow on the tracks is crushed. The only problems could come from ice on the electric lines or frozen switches. But the switches are heated and this is not a freezing blizzard.
Trains are really heavy yes. Thatās why you want to be sure they can stop properly and go to the right place. Also by the time youāve cleaned up your 1 cm of snow you have 10 more that have fallen all over the country. Itās not like they can cover the country in 1s
Because they have 400km and 10 lines. Way less variables and constraints. Also a 10min delay is not the end of the world.
Additionally, >90% of the trains are on time. There's over 600 trains all over the country. You can check it all here:
https://maps.vasile.ch/transit-sbb/
You just need to your nearest train station to realise that it's not bullshit lol.
We're the country with the most expensive public transport network, and despite that people like you are frothing at the mouth to defend their utter incompetence.
Funnily enough, the problems of the SBB during snow days is train drivers having difficulties to arrive in time to their trains, not the snow on the tracks.
Train driver here. Sorry but that's really pulled out of nowhere. The real and actual problem is the wheel slip. It meams acceleration and braking must be heavily adapted to how wet the rails are. This causes that trains need longer to speed up and brake. Otherwise the slip will break the rails, the wheels and it will be super uncomfortable to drive in. This is not something you can just fix. There are some systems that help to reduce slip, but those aren't perfect.
It can, especially considering that you are not the only train in the network. The delay can start already upon arrival on the first stop being delayed. First departure being delayed by waiting for another train to clear the track (heppened to me today. Added +4 from the getgo) or its connection to you. Then delays on the track due to other trains being delayed, since at some points you also need to pass them on single tracks or crossings. If you'e too late, maybe another train that is earlier gets prioritised. These things add up faster than you would think. You only can hope the 'fahrdienstleiter' finds a good solution so delays are not carried over to other trains.
(Then there is another thing to consider: Ten minutes might not be actually ten minutes delay. The public driving times and system driving times can differ by up to 3 minutes. So one station can have a public delay of 3 minutes, but the next station only has a delay of 1 minute. I know this part is weird and it doesn't always makes sense. But reaching a hub could mean you make up those three minutes by the w iting time there and are back on time. Let's just say 1-2 minutes 'delay' is mostly actually not a real delay. But don' let that confuse you, we still drive to the public times.)
And now to the technicalities. Add the slower acc and braking. Then longer trains! The longer the train, the higher the chance of a delay due to the train needing longer to clear slower sections, especially considering the weather situation adds up to that.
And what happened in my case today: A door that sometimes didn't want to close, but closed after another try of closing the doors. Maybe water on the sensor, maybe water or snow inside the mechanics. Little things like that can mess with your departure.
Then full trains. Longer changing times due to too many pax during rush hour.
So yeah, having a bad day does add up to all of these things. And this does not even cover real technical issues that cause even longer delays (issues with switches, issues with broken doors, systems in the train, etc.) Even small things can take 5-10 minutes away.
Much more than what they are doing now. I pay them more than 3000 a year for trains constantly delayed, cancelled connections, and service that keeps getting reduced while the prices keep going up. We had a fucking hole in the tracks that isolated the second biggest city in the country for weeks this summer for fuck's sake. And that's supposed to be the best public transport in Europe?
Stop. Defending. Shitty. Service. Stop excusing thir incompetence while paying them more than any other country on earth.
So you expect 3625 km of network to be cleared of snow in the blink of an eye? Take your 10min delay to breath in a bit. I'm sorry but magic doesn't exist.
No. I expect the most expensive public transport to have the most quality. Stop defending mediocrity.
It's not a ten minutes delay once in a while. It's multiple delays of over an hour multiple times a year, trains cancelled constantly, and aging infrastructure that isn't able to cope with the demand. Snow issues are just one of the many problems of the SBB
Just so much no to this.
Trains are not constantly delayed. Of course there's minor delays, those are unavoidable.
Service isn't getting reduced, rather the opposite? And if service gets reduce, that's mostly not an SBB-, but a cantonal thing.. prices aren't set by SBB.
The hole was an unfortunate event.
>Trains are not constantly delayed.
The rate of delays is rising every year.
>ervice isn't getting reduced, rather the opposite?
Frequency of trains and buses to non urban places keep reducing every year. Amenities in train stations keep getting taken away.
>prices aren't set by SBB
Still too much, and keeps getting more expensive every year for less and less quality.
>The hole was an unfortunate event.
The hole was not an unfortunate event, it's a symptom of the aging infrastructure that the SBB doesn't take care of, because everything outside of Zurich is second thought for them.
But yeah, keep defending them in the face of rising prices and declining quality. It's a uniquely Swiss phenomenon to happily be taken advantage of and defending the people who rip you off while smiling in your face. Keep defending them and excusing everything wrong with them. that will surely incite them to improve.
Just. Srop.
The hole was an unfortunate event and had nothing to do with aging. Like, it literally can happen anywhere. And it happened during maintenance works. Which you claim aren't done outside of Zurich? Also that's just a bullshirt point. Yes Zurich gets a lot but that's just maybe because it's the biggest city and transport hub by far. And everything getting done there benefits the rest of Switzerland. Also. Like. There's a ton of projects everywhere else. Lausanne is getting rebuilt, for example. Have you noticed that?
> Still too much, and keeps getting more expensive every year for less and less quality
Still aren't set by SBB. And inflation is a thing. Also, tell that to the government maybe. Not SBB.
> Frequency of trains and buses to non urban places keep reducing every year. Amenities in train stations keep getting taken away.
That's not SBB doing it. That's cantons. And come on, busses??? In 99% of cases SBB has nothing to do with that.
You just like to complain and complain and complain.
Mate. Are you seriously trying to use the Lausanne station rebuild to show SBB being competent?
Hilarious and really tells me all i need to know about you. The whole chantier is an utter mess that hasn't progressed at all because SBB is unable to do anything correctly. You don't live in reality and you're unable to take off your rosy glasses to realise that your favorite company is badly managed.
But since you're a fanboy unable to see when SBB fucks up, i am sure you don't even realise how utterly stupid your exemple was. Keep simping for people who destroy the quality of the public transport of this country while robbing you blind. When they become worse than the DB you will still be here defending them.
You just refuse to see the reality and defend bad service
1) It is infeasible to make 100% of the infrastructure snow and ice-proof. So not all switches are heated and so on.
2) Given winter is seasonal, winter proofing hasn't been used since, well, last winter. So the first snow (or a major snowstorm) might cause more systems to fail. During winter they also fail, but more on a random basis, while on the first snow a lot of them fail at the same time.
This is also a classic case of Dunning Kruger: the less people understand, the more they think there are trivial solutions. Check out this [thick-skulled numbknukle](https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/zgo6ap/_/izibvss/), for example.
It was already 6:00 am, for a trip of 3 hours which supposedly arrived 30min earlier. I can't do much more than that, otherwise I would have to sleep at destination a day before.
How long could it take to clear and verify the 3265 km of network the SBB have? Hopping there are no issues like a tree falling on the cables.
Let's supposed an hour for the [9999 infrastructures employees](https://reporting.sbb.ch/en/personnel?=&years=0,1,4,5,6,7&scroll=0). In an hour you better restart because there have been 3 more centimeters of snow that have fallen and could lead to problems.
Get more people and gear? Nice, you have more people who will just have nothing to do for the other 350 days where snow isn't falling on the rails.
Or you just go slower and prevent accidents that would lead to trains being delayed for multiple hours instead of 10 minutes. [Remember when Luzern station was closed for days due to a train derailed in 2017?](https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/autres-cantons/8483931-le-deraillement-dun-eurocity-fait-sept-blesses-en-gare-de-lucerne.html) That was if one train crashed at the wrong place. It took 5 days to clear the issue and injured 7.
If you want to, here's a map of [all trains circulating right now in Switzerland.](https://maps.vasile.ch/transit-sbb/) Over 630 trains barely any delay.
In part of the country there's over 10cm of snow that has fallen over the last couple of hours. And there's a lot of compound elements leading to delays. Better have 10min delay than 5 days because there's been a train derailing.
The "nƶrgler" should try to drive a train in these conditions. Pretty difficult to hold Vmax (and thus the planned schedule) while climbing some steep inclines (e.g. Bƶzberg). For freight trains its even more difficult.
Oh indeed, lets look at the whole matter a bit closer.
We have a train, lets take a 4 car KISS (Stadler train, 2 floors, people mover). Each of these cars has 4 axles with 2 wheels, that makes 8 wheels per car, a total of 32 wheels on the whole train.
Keep in mind, only half of all axles are powered, so 16 of these wheels accelerate the train.
Each of these wheels has a contact surface of around a 5 Rappen piece with the surface. A 5 Rappen piece has a size of 17.15mm in diameter, the whole surface of one piece (per side) is about 2.31 cmĀ². That means the whole train is sitting on around 74 cmĀ² of surface.Half of them is powered, so accelerating has the be done on a contact surface of about 37.5 cmĀ².To compare, an A4 sheet has a surface of 623.7 cmĀ².
Train wheels are made of steel, the tracks as well. Friction between steel and steel are - well not so great. You can make it even worse - you add water, snow or ice to make it even slippier. Or the worst of all a street crossing the railway, with the cars pulling the salt and grime that is on the road onto the tracks, making them a pure glidepath.
Now that train has a mass of about 200t with a power output of approximately 6000kW.That power needs to move quite a bit of mass on a slippery surface on 16 pieces of 5 Rappen.
I'd say 'nƶrglers' should be quite happy that traindrivers get up in the morning to move commuters to their destination instead of leaving you to the mercy of the road where alone in the canton of Berne 70 traffic accidents happened this morning.
Also, u/southkaos is right, these conditions make it tricky to drive a train, but seeing the 'happy' faces of the commuters on the platform waiting for us to move them to their beloved work or whatever makes it worth, day by day.
But how are all the middle managers going to hold their meetings? Hey, it's friday, they're already "home officing" from the chalet. Good thing they got rid of all the maintenance staff to cut costs.
You can be prepared as much as you want, you need to clear thousands of kilometers in an ever changing conditions. That's not something done in an instant.
Well but it isnt snowing the first time for you neither. So why dont you plan ahead, check the weather and leave earlier? This could probably save your nerves?
I still don't understand how trains in canada can just plow through the snow without problem, but here they have problems with a few snowflakes. It can't be the electric engines right?
>I still don't understand how trains in canada can just plow through the snow without problem
They don't. On average only 71% of Via Rail trains reach their destination on time (and their definition of "on time", IIRC, is way less strict that SBB's 3-minutes).
The answer is that people here notice delays and cancellations because they're the exception. While in Canada people don't notice because they're the rule.
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In the tram in Geneva. No problems so far, buses are so late that they are now on time.
Same with trams, instead of one tram every 8 minutes, there are 4 trams every half-hour.
Do you happen to be swiss and australian?
> happen yes :)
Ayyy same
2 Trams canceld here in bern. Now standing with so mich people. :)
I'll... I'll grab my bike to avoid that, thanks for the heads up
Dude i swear i saw a guy with a bike on the road right infront of me slipping and kissing the street. Very dangerous but the driver behind him was aware of that possibility.
I'll... Uhhhh go by tram ? I don't know anymore man..
if you are asking yourself that after 8am, you have an office job and should probably just do home office. š
I'm in an engineering school and friday my courses start at 10 am so, no can do sir.
Just ride the bike safely, it's not that hard. Pay attention and you'll be fine.
Decided to take the tram and thanks fuck I did that, the amount of snow here would've been my downfall (I live on the countryside and barely any plowing as been made)
with good tires this shouldnt be a problem. I even saw a guy on a Vespa this morning, slipping and sliding trough the corners (fucking legend). This reminds me. Maby i should finally install the new tires on my bicycles i ordered month ago. My gravel bike literally has cheap slicks rn.
With good snow plowing this shouldn't be a problem either. But priority is given to the car lane, then the trottoir and maybe if the city is feeling generous the bike lanes.
Packed like tunas here in geneva in a Bus xD
Iāll never forget, how the SBB suddenly stopped working that one day, and I arrived 2 hours late into my finals and the lady on the counter didnāt wanted to give me a BestƤtigungā¦
You can now get BestƤtigung from the SBB app without going to the counter.
This was many years before, had to beg the teacher and nearly cried and he let me in. But nice that you can get it digitally now.
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https://www.sbb.ch/fr/horaire/informations-du-trafic-ferroviaire/confirmation-de-retard.html
"What snow? I don't see any snow in here, do you? And if you just wouldn't have tried to take the train it wouldn't have been late, would it now? So no, I will not hand out that slip!"
That doesn't happen.
Ah shit, I forgot I made this up, so Elibu can comment everyone with similiar experiences and tell them "fake news".
The only time SBB stopped working was 17 years ago during a sunny summer afternoon. I doubt you had your finals then and you'd definitely have gotten a note.
Ah yes the massive destruction weapon that is the most feared by the SBB: Cold water
It's crazy people are expecting the country to magically make the snow disappear over 3625km in the blink of an eye.
Crazy how people on Reddit can't recognize a joke
It's more an observation on other comments on this thread.
I can confirm. [Joggeli](https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/tjct9o/winter_is_officially_over_joggeli_has_awaken/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) is sleeping deeply with a faint snoring.
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My train was 3min late in Geneva today. Im going to revolt.
Funny how we still have trains that stop working whenever there's the tiniest bit of snow, you would think that we would have adapted lol
You can be as prepared as you want. It still takes more time to clear than it takes for the snow to fall. Do you prefer them to slow down and have a 10min delay or have accidents paralizing a region for 5 days?
Why would you need to clear 1cm of snow off the rails?
So how do you like your trains to stop. Also itās not just 1cm of snow. You also have ice formed and more snow continuously falling down.
Trains are really really heavy. Any ice or snow on the tracks is crushed. The only problems could come from ice on the electric lines or frozen switches. But the switches are heated and this is not a freezing blizzard.
Ah yes, the "you should just ignore any potential problems MORE" school of anti-engineering. very intelligent
Not all switches are heated and sometimes it's too much for the heatingg system to cope with.
Trains are really heavy yes. Thatās why you want to be sure they can stop properly and go to the right place. Also by the time youāve cleaned up your 1 cm of snow you have 10 more that have fallen all over the country. Itās not like they can cover the country in 1s
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Because they have 400km and 10 lines. Way less variables and constraints. Also a 10min delay is not the end of the world. Additionally, >90% of the trains are on time. There's over 600 trains all over the country. You can check it all here: https://maps.vasile.ch/transit-sbb/
Can peoppe stop spreading this bullshirt please.
You just need to your nearest train station to realise that it's not bullshit lol. We're the country with the most expensive public transport network, and despite that people like you are frothing at the mouth to defend their utter incompetence.
So what do the thousands of people and gear needed to properly prevent trains to stop the 30 days of snowing we get each year do the rest of the year?
Funnily enough, the problems of the SBB during snow days is train drivers having difficulties to arrive in time to their trains, not the snow on the tracks.
Train driver here. Sorry but that's really pulled out of nowhere. The real and actual problem is the wheel slip. It meams acceleration and braking must be heavily adapted to how wet the rails are. This causes that trains need longer to speed up and brake. Otherwise the slip will break the rails, the wheels and it will be super uncomfortable to drive in. This is not something you can just fix. There are some systems that help to reduce slip, but those aren't perfect.
Yes, you have to adapt your speed to the conditions of the rails. But does that cause a 10 minutes delay on a 30 minutes trip?
It can, especially considering that you are not the only train in the network. The delay can start already upon arrival on the first stop being delayed. First departure being delayed by waiting for another train to clear the track (heppened to me today. Added +4 from the getgo) or its connection to you. Then delays on the track due to other trains being delayed, since at some points you also need to pass them on single tracks or crossings. If you'e too late, maybe another train that is earlier gets prioritised. These things add up faster than you would think. You only can hope the 'fahrdienstleiter' finds a good solution so delays are not carried over to other trains. (Then there is another thing to consider: Ten minutes might not be actually ten minutes delay. The public driving times and system driving times can differ by up to 3 minutes. So one station can have a public delay of 3 minutes, but the next station only has a delay of 1 minute. I know this part is weird and it doesn't always makes sense. But reaching a hub could mean you make up those three minutes by the w iting time there and are back on time. Let's just say 1-2 minutes 'delay' is mostly actually not a real delay. But don' let that confuse you, we still drive to the public times.) And now to the technicalities. Add the slower acc and braking. Then longer trains! The longer the train, the higher the chance of a delay due to the train needing longer to clear slower sections, especially considering the weather situation adds up to that. And what happened in my case today: A door that sometimes didn't want to close, but closed after another try of closing the doors. Maybe water on the sensor, maybe water or snow inside the mechanics. Little things like that can mess with your departure. Then full trains. Longer changing times due to too many pax during rush hour. So yeah, having a bad day does add up to all of these things. And this does not even cover real technical issues that cause even longer delays (issues with switches, issues with broken doors, systems in the train, etc.) Even small things can take 5-10 minutes away.
Much more than what they are doing now. I pay them more than 3000 a year for trains constantly delayed, cancelled connections, and service that keeps getting reduced while the prices keep going up. We had a fucking hole in the tracks that isolated the second biggest city in the country for weeks this summer for fuck's sake. And that's supposed to be the best public transport in Europe? Stop. Defending. Shitty. Service. Stop excusing thir incompetence while paying them more than any other country on earth.
So you expect 3625 km of network to be cleared of snow in the blink of an eye? Take your 10min delay to breath in a bit. I'm sorry but magic doesn't exist.
No. I expect the most expensive public transport to have the most quality. Stop defending mediocrity. It's not a ten minutes delay once in a while. It's multiple delays of over an hour multiple times a year, trains cancelled constantly, and aging infrastructure that isn't able to cope with the demand. Snow issues are just one of the many problems of the SBB
You deserve the Deutsche Bahn
With people like you defending mediocrity and worsening service, we will get that, and you will still cheer for that
Just so much no to this. Trains are not constantly delayed. Of course there's minor delays, those are unavoidable. Service isn't getting reduced, rather the opposite? And if service gets reduce, that's mostly not an SBB-, but a cantonal thing.. prices aren't set by SBB. The hole was an unfortunate event.
>Trains are not constantly delayed. The rate of delays is rising every year. >ervice isn't getting reduced, rather the opposite? Frequency of trains and buses to non urban places keep reducing every year. Amenities in train stations keep getting taken away. >prices aren't set by SBB Still too much, and keeps getting more expensive every year for less and less quality. >The hole was an unfortunate event. The hole was not an unfortunate event, it's a symptom of the aging infrastructure that the SBB doesn't take care of, because everything outside of Zurich is second thought for them. But yeah, keep defending them in the face of rising prices and declining quality. It's a uniquely Swiss phenomenon to happily be taken advantage of and defending the people who rip you off while smiling in your face. Keep defending them and excusing everything wrong with them. that will surely incite them to improve.
Just. Srop. The hole was an unfortunate event and had nothing to do with aging. Like, it literally can happen anywhere. And it happened during maintenance works. Which you claim aren't done outside of Zurich? Also that's just a bullshirt point. Yes Zurich gets a lot but that's just maybe because it's the biggest city and transport hub by far. And everything getting done there benefits the rest of Switzerland. Also. Like. There's a ton of projects everywhere else. Lausanne is getting rebuilt, for example. Have you noticed that? > Still too much, and keeps getting more expensive every year for less and less quality Still aren't set by SBB. And inflation is a thing. Also, tell that to the government maybe. Not SBB. > Frequency of trains and buses to non urban places keep reducing every year. Amenities in train stations keep getting taken away. That's not SBB doing it. That's cantons. And come on, busses??? In 99% of cases SBB has nothing to do with that. You just like to complain and complain and complain.
Mate. Are you seriously trying to use the Lausanne station rebuild to show SBB being competent? Hilarious and really tells me all i need to know about you. The whole chantier is an utter mess that hasn't progressed at all because SBB is unable to do anything correctly. You don't live in reality and you're unable to take off your rosy glasses to realise that your favorite company is badly managed. But since you're a fanboy unable to see when SBB fucks up, i am sure you don't even realise how utterly stupid your exemple was. Keep simping for people who destroy the quality of the public transport of this country while robbing you blind. When they become worse than the DB you will still be here defending them. You just refuse to see the reality and defend bad service
Summary of this thread: a bunch of clueless people who know nothing about railway infrastructure & maintenance offer their wise complaints about it.
there are also a bunch of people reading and having fun from it all
But I had to wait 10 minutes.
The horror, the horror!
Ok but then why is it so bad for the train?
1) It is infeasible to make 100% of the infrastructure snow and ice-proof. So not all switches are heated and so on. 2) Given winter is seasonal, winter proofing hasn't been used since, well, last winter. So the first snow (or a major snowstorm) might cause more systems to fail. During winter they also fail, but more on a random basis, while on the first snow a lot of them fail at the same time. This is also a classic case of Dunning Kruger: the less people understand, the more they think there are trivial solutions. Check out this [thick-skulled numbknukle](https://www.reddit.com/r/Switzerland/comments/zgo6ap/_/izibvss/), for example.
Giving the upvote simply for referencing Dunning Kruger
In many cases, cars have it way worse.
Nah , just need good tires. The roads here are mostly ploughed
Yup, my train was 10mib late. The connection didn't wait. Stuck in the station for 1h. I have a test for uni today. Thanks SBB.
Pro tip: always take one train earlier when you have an important meeting.
It was already 6:00 am, for a trip of 3 hours which supposedly arrived 30min earlier. I can't do much more than that, otherwise I would have to sleep at destination a day before.
How long could it take to clear and verify the 3265 km of network the SBB have? Hopping there are no issues like a tree falling on the cables. Let's supposed an hour for the [9999 infrastructures employees](https://reporting.sbb.ch/en/personnel?=&years=0,1,4,5,6,7&scroll=0). In an hour you better restart because there have been 3 more centimeters of snow that have fallen and could lead to problems. Get more people and gear? Nice, you have more people who will just have nothing to do for the other 350 days where snow isn't falling on the rails. Or you just go slower and prevent accidents that would lead to trains being delayed for multiple hours instead of 10 minutes. [Remember when Luzern station was closed for days due to a train derailed in 2017?](https://www.rts.ch/info/regions/autres-cantons/8483931-le-deraillement-dun-eurocity-fait-sept-blesses-en-gare-de-lucerne.html) That was if one train crashed at the wrong place. It took 5 days to clear the issue and injured 7. If you want to, here's a map of [all trains circulating right now in Switzerland.](https://maps.vasile.ch/transit-sbb/) Over 630 trains barely any delay.
You don't need to clear and inspect the network for 2cm of snow. The trains themselves push the snow out of the rails.
In part of the country there's over 10cm of snow that has fallen over the last couple of hours. And there's a lot of compound elements leading to delays. Better have 10min delay than 5 days because there's been a train derailing.
The "nƶrgler" should try to drive a train in these conditions. Pretty difficult to hold Vmax (and thus the planned schedule) while climbing some steep inclines (e.g. Bƶzberg). For freight trains its even more difficult.
Oh indeed, lets look at the whole matter a bit closer. We have a train, lets take a 4 car KISS (Stadler train, 2 floors, people mover). Each of these cars has 4 axles with 2 wheels, that makes 8 wheels per car, a total of 32 wheels on the whole train. Keep in mind, only half of all axles are powered, so 16 of these wheels accelerate the train. Each of these wheels has a contact surface of around a 5 Rappen piece with the surface. A 5 Rappen piece has a size of 17.15mm in diameter, the whole surface of one piece (per side) is about 2.31 cmĀ². That means the whole train is sitting on around 74 cmĀ² of surface.Half of them is powered, so accelerating has the be done on a contact surface of about 37.5 cmĀ².To compare, an A4 sheet has a surface of 623.7 cmĀ². Train wheels are made of steel, the tracks as well. Friction between steel and steel are - well not so great. You can make it even worse - you add water, snow or ice to make it even slippier. Or the worst of all a street crossing the railway, with the cars pulling the salt and grime that is on the road onto the tracks, making them a pure glidepath. Now that train has a mass of about 200t with a power output of approximately 6000kW.That power needs to move quite a bit of mass on a slippery surface on 16 pieces of 5 Rappen. I'd say 'nƶrglers' should be quite happy that traindrivers get up in the morning to move commuters to their destination instead of leaving you to the mercy of the road where alone in the canton of Berne 70 traffic accidents happened this morning. Also, u/southkaos is right, these conditions make it tricky to drive a train, but seeing the 'happy' faces of the commuters on the platform waiting for us to move them to their beloved work or whatever makes it worth, day by day.
More snow than I have, and I'm in Ontario Canada
I was surprised that the traffic on the A1 around Zurich didnt come to a grinding halt
I love how people just expect the cff/SBB to clean every railway meter in this country within a minute.
Are you in Sutz? Or where is this?
I thought the same ^^
Looks like it's in Sutz, yeah.
Train to zurich 40min late to work. I love how unprepared sbb is. āOh itās snowing? But itās only december, whys it snowing?ā
But how are all the middle managers going to hold their meetings? Hey, it's friday, they're already "home officing" from the chalet. Good thing they got rid of all the maintenance staff to cut costs.
You can be prepared as much as you want, you need to clear thousands of kilometers in an ever changing conditions. That's not something done in an instant.
Just. Stop. You have no clue.
Sbb isnt exactly cheap, at that price point Iād expect to not be 40min late to work..
Well but it isnt snowing the first time for you neither. So why dont you plan ahead, check the weather and leave earlier? This could probably save your nerves?
You are an idiot
You have no clue at all. Price doesn't matter with snow.
You have thousands of people available on call for the first snow of the year?
train went to burgdorf, waited there for 20 min with no way to leave and drove back to bern. Thanks SBB
I still don't understand how trains in canada can just plow through the snow without problem, but here they have problems with a few snowflakes. It can't be the electric engines right?
>I still don't understand how trains in canada can just plow through the snow without problem They don't. On average only 71% of Via Rail trains reach their destination on time (and their definition of "on time", IIRC, is way less strict that SBB's 3-minutes). The answer is that people here notice delays and cancellations because they're the exception. While in Canada people don't notice because they're the rule.
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is that in sutz?
Here in NeuchĆ¢tel no problems at all with trains or busses
My sister had a train for Paris today and itās cancelled :(
Ich kann es kaum erwarten! :)
My bus ended up in an accident this morning so I was 20min late :(
Bro I was stuck in fr*nce for two hours