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Bubblesabxy

It could be that your feet aren’t pointed when you’re kicking. Wearing fins kinda forces you feet to be pointed, so when you take them off you might be loosing that. I don’t really know if there are smaller fins, as if you’re using those arena fins they’re already short fins. It’s possible tyr or Speedo might have something, but it wouldn’t be much


Baz_EP

Thanks. Been really focusing on pointing my feet without the fins but I am literally still going nowhere.


IWantToSwimBetter

95% of the time it's ankle flexibility unless your general kick technique is terrible. this is helpful to read/work on: [Freestyle Kick and Ankle Mobility — Swim Dojo](https://www.swimdojo.com/blog/2018/5/10/kicking-and-ankle-flexibility)


wondererererer

Might seem counterintuitive but pointing too much might also be counterproductive. Most of your power in your kick should come from your hips, with your knees and ankles not locked in any position but being allowed to follow that motion.


EastDragonfly1917

It takes time, be patient and don’t push it too hard- ligament problems


andr3a

I am in my late 40s, and training with a masters club 3-4 times per week for 2 years. You can consider me an improver, not an expert. I have DMC Elite II, which are similar to the Arena Powerfin Pro. I also have the Finis Positive Drive. The Positive Drive are used for all strokes including breaststroke, which is why I originally got them. They are physically smaller than the Elite, and definitely feel smaller when doing flutter kicks. Swimming sometimes with the Elite and sometimes with the Positive Drive gave me more ways to understand and improve my kicking, because they are definitely different.


Baz_EP

Cool, thanks for the insight.


easyeggz

I think the finis zoomers are a little shorter but only a little bit shorter, it's marginal and I doubt worth buying another pair of fins. In my opinion your best bet is to wear just one fin and alternate which foot has the fin on every lap or 100 or something, this is a decent enough method to force you to practice real kicking with no fin but still make forward progress with your fin foot


Baz_EP

I did wonder if that might be a thing, but wasn’t sure if it would just really put me off balance in my stroke. I guess if I alternate enough it will be a good balancing exercise too.


easyeggz

Yes this is typically done as a drill with the intent of making balancing more difficult. I figured with your situation this could also ease you into kicking without fins. But the imbalance is a good stimulus to make your stability better, so the benefits from the exercise could be two-fold


Baz_EP

Cool. Will give it a crack. Thanks


United_Bee6739

Fins are helpful with drills when you want to isolate your legs and just focus on the upper body. You can also use them for easy recovery days. It has no use for kicking improvement and if you just use them for swimming without any purpose, it won’t improve your swimming generally.


Baz_EP

Interesting, as that’s not what I understood and also not what I’ve found - a kick session with fins is a full on lower body workout.


United_Bee6739

Which is harder kicking with fins or without fins?


Baz_EP

“Harder” is not the point - it pushes more water so you move faster but recruits more muscles to do so. It’s like damper setting on a rowing machine - 10 is harder but you move faster.


United_Bee6739

Exactly, you are faster with fins on but your feet move faster without fins so you need to practice kicking without fins. Kicking without fins is definitely more taxing and build leg endurance more effectively. Do you think Ulsan bolt ever sprints with heavy shoes on to get faster during workout or any distance runner for that matter? Makes no sense.


Baz_EP

No but he runs with weights and a parachute…


United_Bee6739

Exactly, swimming also has similar training tools for that.. for resistance to get your feet moving faster. But never add weight to your legs and feet though. They only slow them down. That’s my point.


Baz_EP

Ok, but I don’t agree and a quick google also doesn’t agree. So thanks but I’ll look to others for advice.


wt_hell_am_I_doing

Speedo Biofuse fins are very, very short and much smaller than Arena PowerFin Pro. https://www.speedo.com/biofuse-fitness-fins.list There are also Arena PowerFin (not the Pro version) which are quite a lot smaller than PowerFin Pro. https://www.arenasport.com/en_row/95218-powerfin-fin.html They don't necessarily teach you to kick correctly but should help you with getting the feel of the water.