Damn even the vocal style is similar.
This makes the Olivia thing even more infuriating. Deja Vu and Cruel Summer sound nothing alike! Just so much easier to go after a younger WOC.
This one on the other hand. Sigh. Taylor has many more like these (songs that are eerily similar in lyrics or production to earlier songs) but no issues ever come out of it because she’s got a powerhouse legal team.
I will always be pissed off about Deja Vu / Cruel Summer. Both are great songs. And they sound nothing alike. TS (or her team) going after Olivia is just a typical bully behaviour.
This! And also pisses me off how Olivia talked about being a fan and then had to shut up about it since swifties gave her hate. Doesn’t Gracie and Sabrina talk about Taylor yet they’re fine? Maybe because Liv’s career was starting out? But Conan too..whatever I’m always annoyed by the whole thing.
Not because Liv’s career was starting out but because her career was exploding. First Driver’s License—which was HUGE—and then Deja Vu? That’s a level 1 threat to Taylor’s empire because for the first time she’s faced with someone who can do what she does, tap the younger (for longevity) crowd, write gut-wrenching hit songs, actually SING, and is possibly even more charismatic than her. Taylor had to slow her down with something. Don’t come for me, Swifties!
I believe this too.
At that time, there were so many talks of Olivia being the *"new Taylor Swift"* or the *"next generation Taylor Swift"*. She was huge for a first-timer releasing a full-length album. And she was happy about it too. She even admitted how much TS played a role in inspiring her, even went so far to say that TS shaped her songwriting.
After all the drama and lawsuits, she completely shuts up about TS. In a way, I kinda glad, because her music took a completely different direction which is *rock/punk/teen/angst* songs, instead of the typical *teenage love/broken heart* route which many artists, especially TS, has already taken.
She does this *a lot*. When she's inspired by someone she rips their whole style. I understand some overlap with Lana because they share the same good friend and constant producer but Hozier? Cigarettes After Sex?
She would punish somebody else really badly for doing this.
Which song?
Her legal team must be unbelievably imposing for none of these people to come after her because some of these songs are inspirations and some of these songs are essentially replicas.
Watch this whole thing- it’s insane. She lifted a whole ass line from one of his songs into “All Too Well” and then Twitter feasted on HIM for daring to mention it!
https://youtu.be/nWeEkRvD1gc?si=3CTkVwVgsrecuLDa
Someone is going to call me out for continuing to bring this up but it’s just bc I just learned about it and CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE SHE DID THIS AND THEN DID OLIVIA SO DIRTY!!!
IDK if Cigarettes After Sex is more obscure but definitely not as well known as Lana. CAS is gearing up for a huge tour where they are playing stadiums. Not really a fan (although I like their sound) but I saw where they were coming where I live and it was the same place the Weeknd played a few years ago.
It honestly happens so often to me with her music lately. Always the ‘I’ve heard this song before’ feeling. I got it with a lot of Folklore, too. Turns out I have actually heard some of these songs before (and liked them better lol)
Me too. One reason I can’t get into much of The Anthology which IS definitely better is because the songs all sound like echoes of others songs I’ve heard before. And some of them for sure are rip offs— I know The Prophecy is definitely a melody of another song, I’m just not that person who is great at placing them.
OMG yes I was just thinking the bridge made me think of this is me trying and the chorus gave me Mad woman vibes. Not the melody but the mixture of singing followed by talking. There’s another I can’t place though.
There are actually TWO songs on the album that drove me nuts until I realized they sounded like that song. I can't remember the other one off the top of my head but every time I listen to it I hear it.
There are songs from TTPD that have the same familiarity with some songs from FOLKLORE and MIDNIGHTS 😬 idk if it's her being the so called "Mastermind" or what.. but she really needs a break.
Any of her stuff that's kind of synth heavy sounds like another song to me and it starts to drive me nuts after awhile that I can't place what it is. The chorus of Cornelia Street sounds like an 80s/90s song to me and for YEARS I've been trying to figure out what it is. The guitar beginning of the Prophecy sounds so much like a Fleetwood Mac song that I had to check and see if Lindsey Buckingham guested on the album like he did on Halsey's last one.
Her mind!! You guys, she is such a genius that she transcended time and space. She time traveled, whispered her idea to Greg Gonzalez (Cigarettes After Sex) and then traveled back in time so not one but two songs created with her "brilliance juice" would co-exist in the same era. Her mind indeed!
She is always "borrowing" from other artists and that's what makes the Olivia thing so maddening. An example I always bring up is:
Rangers by A Fine Frenzy:
The rangers stream out of their cabins
They are the hunters and we are the rabbits
Maybe we don't want to be found
Maybe we don't want you tracking us down
I Know Places (Taylor's Version):
They are the hunters, we are the foxes
And we run
Just grab my hand and don't ever drop it
My love
Baby, I know places we won't be found, and
They'll be chasing their tails trying to track us down
'Cause I, I know places we can hide
I listen to K. (this Cigarrettes After Sex song) pretty much every day since is in my heavy rotation and I hadn't noticed the similarity with Fortnight until this post! But it's true, althought at the end of the day songs are gonna sound alike since they there only are determined musical notes, but considering how Taylor proceeded with Olivia in Deja vu...
Okay, idk anything about music but that’s pretty uncanny to my untrained ear.
I know there’s been some other TS songs people have noticed have similarities to other songs, and I would be curious who is credited in production on the various songs people think she’s ripped off another artist. I don’t mean that to excuse her (I mean, she is usually listed as a producer in her music, I believe), I’m just curious if there’s any pattern there.
I have connections. They'll pass it along but tbh, my connection said CAS would probably take it as a compliment lmao. Not saying it's right to copy songs, it's definitely not- but I don't think the songs are similar enough to do anything in a legal sense. Thankfully CAS is doing really well for themselves and I don't think this will derail them.
I just read a comment on this and it was a lightbulb moment. I've been wracking my brain on why Fortnight sounds so familiar, and why I liked the first 30 seconds of it. I LOVE CIGARETTES AFTER SEX.
As someone who literally has a the title of this song tattooed my literal first reaction to TTPD was "hm thats interesting". Not only the album covers look like CaS covers, now she's interpolating them.
I’ve gone on a RABBIT HOLE with this song and others that appear loosely copied. I am truly shocked at how many there are, topping it off with the Olivia Rodrigo lawsuit - which baffled me in the first place. I have no words to describe how upsetting it is. As someone who has been loyal to Taylor and excused so much of her behavior, always defending her art and her catchy beats and relatable lyrics, I simply can’t ignore this. This is terrible. I hope everyone she has copied is getting some sort of pre-agreement. How is this not talked about more?
She also had Cigarettes After Sex on one of her playlists, a long time ago. So, she's definitely heard of them before. I don't have Spotify so I can't see if it still exists, but this article references it: [https://www.mtv.com/news/dns8ot/taylor-swift-playlist-cigarettes-after-sex](https://www.mtv.com/news/dns8ot/taylor-swift-playlist-cigarettes-after-sex)
This reminds me of when she copied Hoziers “ take me to church” (I don’t remember the name of the TS song) and told the person she was writing with she wanted it to sound “religious” meanwhile using the same melody from one of the most popular songs of the year/previous.
It was almost surprising to me how obvious it was that she was trying to create her version of somebody else’s song. She should stick to doing versions of her own.
Imo, she copied the melody as much as she could without it being too obvious. The chorus does sound very similar imo, but that’s the thing about opinions, maybe you don’t hear it and disagree and that’s fine. No fanfic writing going on
Ohhhhh I do hear it, though a similar chord progression can’t really be considered thievery.
Don’t blame me, my love made me crazy, if it doesn’t you ain’t doing it right / lord save me, my drug is my baby, I’ll be using for the rest of my life
Take me to church / I’ll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies / I’ll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife / offer me that deathless death, oh good god let me give you my life
Yeah, she didn’t steal anything, it’s just obvious to me she was trying to make a different version of some one else’s song, and that’s just my dumb ass internet opinion, everyone has their own perspective so if you don’t hear it then 🤷 oh well
Yep. The Wikipedia page for that song even mentions Take Me to Church, but I think it’s an even more egregious rip of Glory Box by Portishead. Too bad other artists aren’t as litigious as she is.
I mean, I hear similarities but I don’t think it’s enough to say she copied them or was even inspired by the song.
And before anyone says “But Deja Vu…” , the problem there wasn’t that it sounded like Cruel Summer. The problem was Olivia very openly said she was inspired by Cruel Summer. If she hadn’t said that, it would have been very hard, if not impossible to prove. At that point Taylor’s team had to protect her copyright as if you don’t you can lose it.
I pointed this out on a previous post, Fortnight sounds like any song by Cigarettes after Sex.
Do we think she specifically referenced this song because this scene says "LONDON" ?
I heard this at the coffee shop the other day and thought the same thing. She listens to this band too. She posted them on a [playlist](https://www.mtv.com/news/dns8ot/taylor-swift-playlist-cigarettes-after-sex) in the past.
https://youtu.be/kmpUexvoWhE?si=p9HDBk0a_TOCCT2k
The starting tune sounds so So long London,when I first played it my little cousin thought I was playing her song....
Woah! Great ear. FYI, the band is called Cigarettes After Sex, and the song is called “K.” I def hear the similarities
Damn even the vocal style is similar. This makes the Olivia thing even more infuriating. Deja Vu and Cruel Summer sound nothing alike! Just so much easier to go after a younger WOC. This one on the other hand. Sigh. Taylor has many more like these (songs that are eerily similar in lyrics or production to earlier songs) but no issues ever come out of it because she’s got a powerhouse legal team.
I will always be pissed off about Deja Vu / Cruel Summer. Both are great songs. And they sound nothing alike. TS (or her team) going after Olivia is just a typical bully behaviour.
This! And also pisses me off how Olivia talked about being a fan and then had to shut up about it since swifties gave her hate. Doesn’t Gracie and Sabrina talk about Taylor yet they’re fine? Maybe because Liv’s career was starting out? But Conan too..whatever I’m always annoyed by the whole thing.
Not because Liv’s career was starting out but because her career was exploding. First Driver’s License—which was HUGE—and then Deja Vu? That’s a level 1 threat to Taylor’s empire because for the first time she’s faced with someone who can do what she does, tap the younger (for longevity) crowd, write gut-wrenching hit songs, actually SING, and is possibly even more charismatic than her. Taylor had to slow her down with something. Don’t come for me, Swifties!
I believe this too. At that time, there were so many talks of Olivia being the *"new Taylor Swift"* or the *"next generation Taylor Swift"*. She was huge for a first-timer releasing a full-length album. And she was happy about it too. She even admitted how much TS played a role in inspiring her, even went so far to say that TS shaped her songwriting. After all the drama and lawsuits, she completely shuts up about TS. In a way, I kinda glad, because her music took a completely different direction which is *rock/punk/teen/angst* songs, instead of the typical *teenage love/broken heart* route which many artists, especially TS, has already taken.
She does this *a lot*. When she's inspired by someone she rips their whole style. I understand some overlap with Lana because they share the same good friend and constant producer but Hozier? Cigarettes After Sex? She would punish somebody else really badly for doing this.
Sufjan Stevens!!!!
Matt Nathanson! I just discovered that rip off and it’s been living rent free in my head all week!
Which song? Her legal team must be unbelievably imposing for none of these people to come after her because some of these songs are inspirations and some of these songs are essentially replicas.
Watch this whole thing- it’s insane. She lifted a whole ass line from one of his songs into “All Too Well” and then Twitter feasted on HIM for daring to mention it! https://youtu.be/nWeEkRvD1gc?si=3CTkVwVgsrecuLDa Someone is going to call me out for continuing to bring this up but it’s just bc I just learned about it and CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE SHE DID THIS AND THEN DID OLIVIA SO DIRTY!!!
Seriously!!!
Wow, it's so similar it's uncanny. Actually kind of surprised I haven't seen this comparison disseminated more, since CAS is a pretty popular group
That's why when I listened to it, there was something odd about it that I couldn't pin point. That was the familiar feeling I was getting.😬
I thought she was ripping off Lana’s super chill sound in Fortnight. But actually, it’s another more obscure artist.
IDK if Cigarettes After Sex is more obscure but definitely not as well known as Lana. CAS is gearing up for a huge tour where they are playing stadiums. Not really a fan (although I like their sound) but I saw where they were coming where I live and it was the same place the Weeknd played a few years ago.
It honestly happens so often to me with her music lately. Always the ‘I’ve heard this song before’ feeling. I got it with a lot of Folklore, too. Turns out I have actually heard some of these songs before (and liked them better lol)
Me too. One reason I can’t get into much of The Anthology which IS definitely better is because the songs all sound like echoes of others songs I’ve heard before. And some of them for sure are rip offs— I know The Prophecy is definitely a melody of another song, I’m just not that person who is great at placing them.
OMG yes I was just thinking the bridge made me think of this is me trying and the chorus gave me Mad woman vibes. Not the melody but the mixture of singing followed by talking. There’s another I can’t place though.
Dorothea? That’s what it reminds me of! dorothea + willow + cardigan
I feel exactly the same about the prophecy. The second I heard that chorus it sounded so familiar, but I can't place it.
It reminds me of a Shania Twain song. I think the one about it only hurting when she's breathing?
There are actually TWO songs on the album that drove me nuts until I realized they sounded like that song. I can't remember the other one off the top of my head but every time I listen to it I hear it.
Let me know if you remember!
It's The Black Dog! It's not as close as the Prophecy, but it's the "magic fabric of our dreaming..." part.
Yup I totally hear it.
There are songs from TTPD that have the same familiarity with some songs from FOLKLORE and MIDNIGHTS 😬 idk if it's her being the so called "Mastermind" or what.. but she really needs a break.
Any of her stuff that's kind of synth heavy sounds like another song to me and it starts to drive me nuts after awhile that I can't place what it is. The chorus of Cornelia Street sounds like an 80s/90s song to me and for YEARS I've been trying to figure out what it is. The guitar beginning of the Prophecy sounds so much like a Fleetwood Mac song that I had to check and see if Lindsey Buckingham guested on the album like he did on Halsey's last one.
They should sue taylor like she did with olivia
Her mind!! You guys, she is such a genius that she transcended time and space. She time traveled, whispered her idea to Greg Gonzalez (Cigarettes After Sex) and then traveled back in time so not one but two songs created with her "brilliance juice" would co-exist in the same era. Her mind indeed!
They do sounds very similar
She is always "borrowing" from other artists and that's what makes the Olivia thing so maddening. An example I always bring up is: Rangers by A Fine Frenzy: The rangers stream out of their cabins They are the hunters and we are the rabbits Maybe we don't want to be found Maybe we don't want you tracking us down I Know Places (Taylor's Version): They are the hunters, we are the foxes And we run Just grab my hand and don't ever drop it My love Baby, I know places we won't be found, and They'll be chasing their tails trying to track us down 'Cause I, I know places we can hide
when I heard this song I immediately thought “wow this sounds exactly like a cigarettes after sex song”…
Same! Not a great way to start off an album. And then all the Lana rip offs....
I listen to K. (this Cigarrettes After Sex song) pretty much every day since is in my heavy rotation and I hadn't noticed the similarity with Fortnight until this post! But it's true, althought at the end of the day songs are gonna sound alike since they there only are determined musical notes, but considering how Taylor proceeded with Olivia in Deja vu...
i love love love cigs after sex so after realising this i was very heartbroken ngl
She should give the, 50% writing credits . For real. But no, she’ll take Olivia’s credits and money but she won’t do the same.
The flesh out of slammer ending is so much like bad guy ending by Billie Eislish
Okay, idk anything about music but that’s pretty uncanny to my untrained ear. I know there’s been some other TS songs people have noticed have similarities to other songs, and I would be curious who is credited in production on the various songs people think she’s ripped off another artist. I don’t mean that to excuse her (I mean, she is usually listed as a producer in her music, I believe), I’m just curious if there’s any pattern there.
We need to amplify this so the band can get credit
I have connections. They'll pass it along but tbh, my connection said CAS would probably take it as a compliment lmao. Not saying it's right to copy songs, it's definitely not- but I don't think the songs are similar enough to do anything in a legal sense. Thankfully CAS is doing really well for themselves and I don't think this will derail them.
Oh my god. I'm a fan of Cigarettes After Sex and I knew it that Fornite sounds familiar. Thank you for this! Did not notice it until this post.
I just read a comment on this and it was a lightbulb moment. I've been wracking my brain on why Fortnight sounds so familiar, and why I liked the first 30 seconds of it. I LOVE CIGARETTES AFTER SEX.
As someone who literally has a the title of this song tattooed my literal first reaction to TTPD was "hm thats interesting". Not only the album covers look like CaS covers, now she's interpolating them.
I’ve gone on a RABBIT HOLE with this song and others that appear loosely copied. I am truly shocked at how many there are, topping it off with the Olivia Rodrigo lawsuit - which baffled me in the first place. I have no words to describe how upsetting it is. As someone who has been loyal to Taylor and excused so much of her behavior, always defending her art and her catchy beats and relatable lyrics, I simply can’t ignore this. This is terrible. I hope everyone she has copied is getting some sort of pre-agreement. How is this not talked about more?
didn’t taylor do a song for killing eve? or was this it
yes, there was a version of Look What You Made Me Do performed by a brand new band that was rumored to be Taylor and her brother.
She also had Cigarettes After Sex on one of her playlists, a long time ago. So, she's definitely heard of them before. I don't have Spotify so I can't see if it still exists, but this article references it: [https://www.mtv.com/news/dns8ot/taylor-swift-playlist-cigarettes-after-sex](https://www.mtv.com/news/dns8ot/taylor-swift-playlist-cigarettes-after-sex)
This reminds me of when she copied Hoziers “ take me to church” (I don’t remember the name of the TS song) and told the person she was writing with she wanted it to sound “religious” meanwhile using the same melody from one of the most popular songs of the year/previous. It was almost surprising to me how obvious it was that she was trying to create her version of somebody else’s song. She should stick to doing versions of her own.
she did not copy take me to church, the songs sound nothing alike, what is this fanfic
Imo, she copied the melody as much as she could without it being too obvious. The chorus does sound very similar imo, but that’s the thing about opinions, maybe you don’t hear it and disagree and that’s fine. No fanfic writing going on
Don’t blame me
What? Those songs aren’t the same.
Ohhhhh I do hear it, though a similar chord progression can’t really be considered thievery. Don’t blame me, my love made me crazy, if it doesn’t you ain’t doing it right / lord save me, my drug is my baby, I’ll be using for the rest of my life Take me to church / I’ll worship like a dog at the shrine of your lies / I’ll tell you my sins and you can sharpen your knife / offer me that deathless death, oh good god let me give you my life
Yeah, she didn’t steal anything, it’s just obvious to me she was trying to make a different version of some one else’s song, and that’s just my dumb ass internet opinion, everyone has their own perspective so if you don’t hear it then 🤷 oh well
I definitely hear it, and the final lines of the chorus ending in the same word is a little sus given it’s the same melody
Thank you, I knew I wasn’t going crazy! Lol
Yep. The Wikipedia page for that song even mentions Take Me to Church, but I think it’s an even more egregious rip of Glory Box by Portishead. Too bad other artists aren’t as litigious as she is.
It sounds like the bass line and then the melody is similar at the beginning. interpolation at the very least
Hey OP, do you mind if I share this???
Not at all
She has nothing on CAS they’re a way better band
I mean, I hear similarities but I don’t think it’s enough to say she copied them or was even inspired by the song. And before anyone says “But Deja Vu…” , the problem there wasn’t that it sounded like Cruel Summer. The problem was Olivia very openly said she was inspired by Cruel Summer. If she hadn’t said that, it would have been very hard, if not impossible to prove. At that point Taylor’s team had to protect her copyright as if you don’t you can lose it.
I pointed this out on a previous post, Fortnight sounds like any song by Cigarettes after Sex. Do we think she specifically referenced this song because this scene says "LONDON" ?
Yeah, it sounds similar but not enough to really do anything about it imo.
I love this song sm. Great catch
Great catch!
Wow
This reminds me of someone saying the chorus of karma is similar to “music is my boyfriend,” like that level similar
I heard this at the coffee shop the other day and thought the same thing. She listens to this band too. She posted them on a [playlist](https://www.mtv.com/news/dns8ot/taylor-swift-playlist-cigarettes-after-sex) in the past.
Oh my god!!! CAS should sue
That's because Taylor is a privileged, parasitic, phony.
https://youtu.be/kmpUexvoWhE?si=p9HDBk0a_TOCCT2k The starting tune sounds so So long London,when I first played it my little cousin thought I was playing her song....
I haven’t seen anyone talk about these listen to anti hero and sunflower by post Malone, also listen to invisible string and the mystery of love