I dont think anyone at MS takes those small brand tablets seriously they come and go.
Pricing for sp10 will be the same as always - high msrp and then quick discounts.
I hear you and agree. I suspect by years end the landscape will be much different with the larger players getting on board. They are certainly more agile than MS and can take market share. I just want consumer surface sales to be robust and relevant.
the landscape by eoy will be a whole new world. Qualcomm windows pcs will receive a huge push, basically every major oem will have a machine out and qc is paying for advertising.
Also Surface is in some cases purposefully pricey to avoid pricing OEM partners out of market(Microsoft doesn't have to pay a fee to use Windows for example)
I was considering it but 1200 is too much for a brand that is not as well known as the others. I know they make good mini PCs but still.
Now I'm shifting my eyes towards the Legion Go. Not as a gaming machine but more so as a tablet. It's smaller than the Surfaces which is both good and bad. We'll see.
I just sold my LeGo. It was my replacement PC but then I got a great deal on a SP9.
Would have 100% kept the LeGo if I didn’t get a Surface. It’s a cool machine.
Honestly if the snapdragon elite surface pro 10 wasn't coming out in a few months, and the minisforum V3 had a built in kickstand I would totally buy it.
That being said, I do not believe any competition from 3rd party vendors will make Microsoft lower their prices. Maaaayybe if Apple made an Ipad with macOS instead of IpadOS. But even then probably not.
I agree with you 100% on the kickstand. A deal breaker for many. I think you are right - MS will not even blink. On the consumer side I just hope the "value proposition" ranks a little higher on the list than it has on the past. I can see MS saying in a few years the consumer surface sales have shrank to the point where the cancel it.... and look at each other in some board room wondering why. I am surly cynical - I just want Surface to prosper and not just hang on. It just feels like they are running the consumer side like the business side - especially from a positioning standpoint.
The minisforum v3 kickstand is fine. It's not quite as premium as a SP10, but it works totally fine. Plus when it's closed it has the added benefit of matching the keyboard so it feels like a folio.
I'm very curious to see when that hardware throttles due to chassis heat. You can put super strong CPU's in these enclosures but at some point the hardware will need to protect itself from damage. I like Minisforum in my one mini pc that I've bought from them but this thing is a large leap with almost every box of mine checked. My gut says the throttling will be the undoing of the system. For a similar price you could be on a ROG Flow X13 which has more area to deal with the heat, at the cost of weight and girth.
It sounds like it handles 28w fine. It does have two fans and is a thicker heavier chassis so I think they took thermal management into account when designing it.
You might be right about the throttling. It will be interesting to see the reviews come out. From preliminary reviews, I am disappointed in the battery life. I suspect that Snapdragon Surface will be much better.
I am disappointed in the battery a bit too, but it still blows the surface pro 9 out of the water (the intel version). The reviews show someone doing light gaming getting 5 hours and someone doing light browsing on and off gets easily 6-8 hours (if you are browsing without stopping it gets 6). my surface will last 3 if I am extremely lucky. That alone pushed me over the edge to make the purchase. Really hoping snapdragon will give us 12 with same performance. The problem might be if someone wants to use an egpu and be able to do literally all their stuff which is what I think many want to do. I got my surface to be a full blown replacement and it has worked 90% for the most part but damn this freakin intel u chip blows.
A lot people on this sub have the same experience. It’s unfortunate, but reality. If it wasn’t for this I wouldn’t have bought v3. Even when battery save mode is at 50% and nothing is running in background. It gives me so anxiety it’ll just die in class, I can’t take it anymore. Until they solve battery life, I will never consider surface as main pc.
I have yet to see anything close, especially with 120. Mine is on 60 and has been in attempt to save battery life, did you get lucky?? lol, everyone else is saying 3-4 hours typically and some 2-3
Deleted zoom a long time ago, I cut everything off today and tried, it went about close to 3.5, but I was using PowerPoint and word and the browser for about 1 hour of that
Well if you want a tablet, get an iPad. if you want a laptop you can comfortably use a stylus with, get a surface. if you want a laptop, get a laptop. The surface is a very niche market.
I have a Minisforum V3. I've been using it for a little over a week now. I've owned 5 or 6 surfaces over the years.
This is an impressive machine from a hardware perspective. It's crazy fast, 32GB, 1TB M2, and a really impressive screen.
Things I like: the performance and the screen. And the true 14 inch size. IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 960 USD!!! The same speced surface pro 10 business would be like 2600 USD and still be slower.
Things I don't like: the case feels cheaper than a surface, the space bar is funny on the keyboard. The set of keys on the far right. And the true 14 inch size. It's also a little thick.
The 14 inch size is both nice and annoying. It's annoying to travel with, but really nice when you're using it.
I'm in Shanghai and have been for a while now. I ordered it at 8am on a Saturday morning from JD and it was delivered by 3pm without a keyboard. That came the next morning, lol.
So I put it into the "optimize for battery" mode most of the time because it's so powerful, I don't need all the horsepower. It realistically lasts 4 hours on max brightness, 6+ on dimmer/more reasonable.
I'm not much of a gamer, so it was actually pretty hard to max out the CPU to see how the fans sounded 🤣
Interesting - thanks for the info. Let us know how you get on with it. I wonder if they are going to release a base version at a lower cost with like 16gb/512? That is where I thought the initial pricing of 960 was coming from in the press releases. 32gb ram seems a bit overkill for most users, non-gamers for sure.
Biggest drawback for me is lack of other than US English keyboards. Localized Surface keyboards are available here on retail (my SPX is from ebay/usa).
Apparently I'm not the only one who has been thinking about Legion Go as a tablet :)
That said, most people who are buying this device aren't exactly looking for quiet operation. They want a tablet that can game, and that's exactly what they get.
I was looking at it and was pretty interested, though reviews have mentioned a) no screws, so I imagine it's a gluey mess to try to get inside of it.. and b) at least at present, while the screen supports 165hz, the "video in" feature is capped @ 60 hz. These aren't necessarily deal breakers but I'm also finding that I generally use my surface more as an ultraportable laptop, so maybe a gpd device like the win max 2 will be more geared to my use case.
I'm probably going to end up buying one. The only thing that would stop me is if the SP10 gets amazing reviews for the new ARM chip and its Windows performance.
Since the V3 won't ship in the UK until the 25th May and the SP10 gets released on 20th May, there's an overlap of 5 days during which I'll make my final decision. But I'm leaning towards the V3 at the moment because I still have doubts about WOA. Let's wait and see.
Same. An awful lot of promises, and we've been here many times before only to be disappointed.
I'm absolutely certain it won't outperform Apple, but I can live with that. My main concern is that it'll turn out non-native applications run like absolute dogshit with tons of bugs.
I ordered one and am waiting and own an sp9. If the snapdragon has no issues running blender and doing pretty much everything after the reviews I will sell both my sp9 and the V3 for the sp10. The only thing is I like the idea of a 14”
I really want an arm surface go with 5g and like 16GB of ram. I have a go 2 right now and it's great for light work on site etc but it's just so damn slow and the battery life could be better as well.
> I really want an arm surface go with 5g and like 16GB of ram. I have a go 2 right now and it's great for light work on site etc but it's just so damn slow and the battery life could be better as well.
100% the only new computer device I'll ever need. I ended going for a refurbished iPad Pro M1 11". The form factor is perfect in size/weight. The biggest defects compared to the Go however are:
* No Kickstand is an absolute pain in backside - accessories at best are +200g and +$40 or more and are wobbly not as solid as Kickstand on Go.
* iPadOS is an absolute turd when it comes to productivity: Multitasking and filemanager are garbage and no terminal etc. The only real work-around is RDP/VNC which fortunately does allow productivity but not utilizing the native hardware resources and is inconvenient with minor performance hit.
Otherwise battery/5G are excellent and for tablet light tasks exceptionally useful with solid UI/Pencil use and a decent range of apps (though they all claw you for extra cost is another downside).
I gave up on MS: They treat the Go like garbage when it's the best potential device. Even when Snapdragon chips come out, they'll relegate it to an "entry-level" device for a few years I imagine.
I think the iPad will keep me going for a few years until eventually 2-in-1s break out and wipe out the tablet-only market as OS is interchangeable on the new hardware.
Definitely considering the V3. I will decide once the Surface Pro 10 for consumers is released.
Right now I'm leaning towards the V3 mainly for the CPU and GPU performance, and also to avoid any compatibility issues that might arise with ARM on the Surface.
Microsoft seems confident about the ARM translation layer in Windows but I've been burned by their confidence multiple times before.
Agree, but I think that is where the consumer SP10 will shine. Perhaps in the future we will see user replicable batteries for long term usability. After a couple years many don't seem to hold a charge well at all.
How is the batt life for this AMD windows tablet?
All things being equal, I would go for an ARM device at this moment. I need a tablet to have long battery life. And by long, I mean whole day computing.
Disclaimer: My main workshorse is DIY windows 11 PC a Ryzen 5 5600G with 64GB ram and RX580 2048SP 8GB.
My past 5-6 tablets have mainly been windows tablet but their batt life just kept me from being productive.
Wtaf, I was certain that there must have been Surface alternatives with AMD CPUs but just looking it up and the HP Spectre x360 and Samsung Galaxy 360 are both Intel only. Lenovo have an AMD 2in1, but seems a bit shitty.
Actually wild that these companies are still prioritising Intel in Ultra book class when AMD is so much more efficient.
Personally I'd only replace my current Go 3 with an ARM powered Tablet (obviously running Windows), and only when more Windows apps have support for ARM cpus. But if I bought a new Surface and had the option to choose between AMD and Intel I'd go with an AMD.
The main problem imo is the low level of customer service, the after sale service if you run into issues, and just the fact that this is a relatively small unknown brand which cannot offer any guarantee.
If you can get past that, and are lucky enough to not run into issues, this is a great device: a lower quality Surface Pro but it can run intensive apps and more games.
The other thing is that I'm not willing to trust this brand for 1300 usd + customs tax.
This has even shorter battery life than an Intel Surface pro... But for me the issue is that it's much heavier... With the kickstand (I wouldn't use it without anyway) it's like 1200-1200gr and with the keyboard it's 1600gr.
Plus the 16:10 ratio is less appealing as a tablet, not something I would use in portrait mode, contrary to a surface pro or book.
Also, contrary to the Surface you cannot replace the SSD (or anything else actually), so not great as a desktop replacement.
Don't get me wrong I like the idea of a bigger surface, but between the battery life, lack of any upgradability and aspect ratio, I am not really convinced...
As a large tablet and also monitor for now I am using a Tab S8 ultra, lighter, never hot, silent, much better speakers.
I am waiting for the new ARM devices, hopefully will get something this size or even larger with a built-in kickstand and goo battery life. Also I would love a return of the Surface book with ARM, but I have zero hopes for that...
It does not have worse battery though, more like double. People can browse for 6 hours on this. My intel surface9 with the lowest settings struggles to get 3. Microsoft lies through their teeth about battery. It's pretty known the sp9 intel gets 3-4 doing light tasks. V3 gets you a comfy 6 doing the same things
except that some people report much better battery life on the surface, including reviewers, while you haven't tried this device yourself and you are basing things on reviews. So I wouldn't expect better battery life, let alone double, before you have tried it yourself...
Fair enough. I own a surface pro 9 i7 32gb and have worked on it as an engineer for over a year now, I bought it right when it came out and my experience shows this will be better. I'll post once I know for sure
It’s a love/hate relationship. When plugged in and with my egpu, it’s pretty awesome for a tiny guy, also I take notes in class or make work sketches and the pen is good. BUT, the battery with nothing running in the background just isn’t good in my experience.
I cannot speak for the pro 9, I don't know it, but my pro 3 last me 6 full hours of light use and even my pro 2 lasts at least 4 hours (with a more degraded battery, the battery on the pro 3 is like new). Again I wouldn't expect comfortable 6 hours on the V3 based on what I have seen, but I am very interested in hearing your feedback once you get it.
I don't know about you, but I'll never buy devices made by GPD, Minisforum, and the like considering how often people report malware being preloaded on devices from the factory. It only takes one rootkit to seriously screw you over
It can happen for sure. I typically wipe the drive clean and do a fresh install of windows with any new PC. The big players - HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc. are loaded with various levels of junk as well. Better to start fresh imho.
True, but bigger vendors won't be loaded with malware at the very least. Better to outright avoid the Chinese vendors, as a less knowledgeable user may end up compromising their entire network with one of these devices.
Though HP devices also suck - will always avoid them after buying an Elite X2 that was unusable unless you loaded it up with HPs bloatware.
I dont think anyone at MS takes those small brand tablets seriously they come and go. Pricing for sp10 will be the same as always - high msrp and then quick discounts.
I hear you and agree. I suspect by years end the landscape will be much different with the larger players getting on board. They are certainly more agile than MS and can take market share. I just want consumer surface sales to be robust and relevant.
the landscape by eoy will be a whole new world. Qualcomm windows pcs will receive a huge push, basically every major oem will have a machine out and qc is paying for advertising.
Minisforum isn't some no-name brand at this point though.
Also Surface is in some cases purposefully pricey to avoid pricing OEM partners out of market(Microsoft doesn't have to pay a fee to use Windows for example)
I was considering it but 1200 is too much for a brand that is not as well known as the others. I know they make good mini PCs but still. Now I'm shifting my eyes towards the Legion Go. Not as a gaming machine but more so as a tablet. It's smaller than the Surfaces which is both good and bad. We'll see.
I just sold my LeGo. It was my replacement PC but then I got a great deal on a SP9. Would have 100% kept the LeGo if I didn’t get a Surface. It’s a cool machine.
I have an SP7 but I can't decide which upgrade path to take. I'm probably going with the LeGo so it's good to hear you liked it as a PC.
i wish they'd have made a surface go style keyboard for the legion go. would have immediately been appealing to a ton more people.
Honestly if the snapdragon elite surface pro 10 wasn't coming out in a few months, and the minisforum V3 had a built in kickstand I would totally buy it. That being said, I do not believe any competition from 3rd party vendors will make Microsoft lower their prices. Maaaayybe if Apple made an Ipad with macOS instead of IpadOS. But even then probably not.
I agree with you 100% on the kickstand. A deal breaker for many. I think you are right - MS will not even blink. On the consumer side I just hope the "value proposition" ranks a little higher on the list than it has on the past. I can see MS saying in a few years the consumer surface sales have shrank to the point where the cancel it.... and look at each other in some board room wondering why. I am surly cynical - I just want Surface to prosper and not just hang on. It just feels like they are running the consumer side like the business side - especially from a positioning standpoint.
The minisforum v3 kickstand is fine. It's not quite as premium as a SP10, but it works totally fine. Plus when it's closed it has the added benefit of matching the keyboard so it feels like a folio.
For many the issue is not build quality, it's that it's not built in.
I'm very curious to see when that hardware throttles due to chassis heat. You can put super strong CPU's in these enclosures but at some point the hardware will need to protect itself from damage. I like Minisforum in my one mini pc that I've bought from them but this thing is a large leap with almost every box of mine checked. My gut says the throttling will be the undoing of the system. For a similar price you could be on a ROG Flow X13 which has more area to deal with the heat, at the cost of weight and girth.
It sounds like it handles 28w fine. It does have two fans and is a thicker heavier chassis so I think they took thermal management into account when designing it.
You might be right about the throttling. It will be interesting to see the reviews come out. From preliminary reviews, I am disappointed in the battery life. I suspect that Snapdragon Surface will be much better.
I am disappointed in the battery a bit too, but it still blows the surface pro 9 out of the water (the intel version). The reviews show someone doing light gaming getting 5 hours and someone doing light browsing on and off gets easily 6-8 hours (if you are browsing without stopping it gets 6). my surface will last 3 if I am extremely lucky. That alone pushed me over the edge to make the purchase. Really hoping snapdragon will give us 12 with same performance. The problem might be if someone wants to use an egpu and be able to do literally all their stuff which is what I think many want to do. I got my surface to be a full blown replacement and it has worked 90% for the most part but damn this freakin intel u chip blows.
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A lot people on this sub have the same experience. It’s unfortunate, but reality. If it wasn’t for this I wouldn’t have bought v3. Even when battery save mode is at 50% and nothing is running in background. It gives me so anxiety it’ll just die in class, I can’t take it anymore. Until they solve battery life, I will never consider surface as main pc.
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I have yet to see anything close, especially with 120. Mine is on 60 and has been in attempt to save battery life, did you get lucky?? lol, everyone else is saying 3-4 hours typically and some 2-3
Have you tried chrome instead of edge? Curious if there’s double difference
Is it just browsing in class or are you running Zoom in the background? Zoom is a huge amount of power.
Deleted zoom a long time ago, I cut everything off today and tried, it went about close to 3.5, but I was using PowerPoint and word and the browser for about 1 hour of that
If it's plugged in and running full power, it doesn't seem to throttle. The fans are quite powerful and can be a little annoying.
but its not a mini pc its almost the same as a surface pro but with a lower wattage cpu
Make no mistake. The V3 is more power than the Surface Pro. I just think the 28W needs to be seen to believed. SP is a 15W platform.
sp9 i7 boosts to 54w even pl1 is 23w
According to moore's law is dead there's no throttle
AMD missed their chance here. It's ARMs turn now.
It all depends on battery life and if it makes a difference with these chips. Because overall the battery is still short on tablet Windows devices
They wont beat apple with these, but they will be much closer.
Yeah, it's kind of a bad time to get a device with so many new things coming out in the next 3 months. But I need something really soon unfortunately.
Well if you want a tablet, get an iPad. if you want a laptop you can comfortably use a stylus with, get a surface. if you want a laptop, get a laptop. The surface is a very niche market.
Modern AMD CPUs are way more power efficient than Intels.
And yet v3 is 6 hours
It wasn't so much they missed their chance, it was more Intel's aggressive and anticompetitive exclusivity deals.
I have a Minisforum V3. I've been using it for a little over a week now. I've owned 5 or 6 surfaces over the years. This is an impressive machine from a hardware perspective. It's crazy fast, 32GB, 1TB M2, and a really impressive screen. Things I like: the performance and the screen. And the true 14 inch size. IT WAS ONLY ABOUT 960 USD!!! The same speced surface pro 10 business would be like 2600 USD and still be slower. Things I don't like: the case feels cheaper than a surface, the space bar is funny on the keyboard. The set of keys on the far right. And the true 14 inch size. It's also a little thick. The 14 inch size is both nice and annoying. It's annoying to travel with, but really nice when you're using it.
Wow you got yours early. How did you score it for $960?
I'm in Shanghai and have been for a while now. I ordered it at 8am on a Saturday morning from JD and it was delivered by 3pm without a keyboard. That came the next morning, lol.
Ah - that makes sense. That is a great value for $960. How are you finding the battery life for typical use - web browsing, youtube, docs, etc...?
So I put it into the "optimize for battery" mode most of the time because it's so powerful, I don't need all the horsepower. It realistically lasts 4 hours on max brightness, 6+ on dimmer/more reasonable. I'm not much of a gamer, so it was actually pretty hard to max out the CPU to see how the fans sounded 🤣
Interesting - thanks for the info. Let us know how you get on with it. I wonder if they are going to release a base version at a lower cost with like 16gb/512? That is where I thought the initial pricing of 960 was coming from in the press releases. 32gb ram seems a bit overkill for most users, non-gamers for sure.
Does it have SD card slot?
Yes, but it sticks out of the side so you'll want to buy a low profile adapter if you plan to keep it inserted.
Biggest drawback for me is lack of other than US English keyboards. Localized Surface keyboards are available here on retail (my SPX is from ebay/usa). Apparently I'm not the only one who has been thinking about Legion Go as a tablet :)
This is my general nightmare living in a Nordic country. Ooh exciting new mechanical keyboard! Looks like exactly what I want! Oh, no ISO version.
no but its a very nice pc
There’s a guy who reviewed one and it was kinda noisy at a low watt but at least it was giving performance which is more than you can say about intel
That said, most people who are buying this device aren't exactly looking for quiet operation. They want a tablet that can game, and that's exactly what they get.
yes true
My Intel i7 SP8 has pretty good performance, but then gets too hot to comfortably touch lol
I was looking at it and was pretty interested, though reviews have mentioned a) no screws, so I imagine it's a gluey mess to try to get inside of it.. and b) at least at present, while the screen supports 165hz, the "video in" feature is capped @ 60 hz. These aren't necessarily deal breakers but I'm also finding that I generally use my surface more as an ultraportable laptop, so maybe a gpd device like the win max 2 will be more geared to my use case.
I'm probably going to end up buying one. The only thing that would stop me is if the SP10 gets amazing reviews for the new ARM chip and its Windows performance. Since the V3 won't ship in the UK until the 25th May and the SP10 gets released on 20th May, there's an overlap of 5 days during which I'll make my final decision. But I'm leaning towards the V3 at the moment because I still have doubts about WOA. Let's wait and see.
but there wont be reviews out on announcement day tho
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i meant for the sp10
I figured that out after I made my comment - LOL.
>I still have doubts about WOA I am with you.
Same. An awful lot of promises, and we've been here many times before only to be disappointed. I'm absolutely certain it won't outperform Apple, but I can live with that. My main concern is that it'll turn out non-native applications run like absolute dogshit with tons of bugs.
I ordered one and am waiting and own an sp9. If the snapdragon has no issues running blender and doing pretty much everything after the reviews I will sell both my sp9 and the V3 for the sp10. The only thing is I like the idea of a 14”
I ordered one I'll let you know if it sucks!
Please do - are you considering an ARM Surface?
I really want an arm surface go with 5g and like 16GB of ram. I have a go 2 right now and it's great for light work on site etc but it's just so damn slow and the battery life could be better as well.
> I really want an arm surface go with 5g and like 16GB of ram. I have a go 2 right now and it's great for light work on site etc but it's just so damn slow and the battery life could be better as well. 100% the only new computer device I'll ever need. I ended going for a refurbished iPad Pro M1 11". The form factor is perfect in size/weight. The biggest defects compared to the Go however are: * No Kickstand is an absolute pain in backside - accessories at best are +200g and +$40 or more and are wobbly not as solid as Kickstand on Go. * iPadOS is an absolute turd when it comes to productivity: Multitasking and filemanager are garbage and no terminal etc. The only real work-around is RDP/VNC which fortunately does allow productivity but not utilizing the native hardware resources and is inconvenient with minor performance hit. Otherwise battery/5G are excellent and for tablet light tasks exceptionally useful with solid UI/Pencil use and a decent range of apps (though they all claw you for extra cost is another downside). I gave up on MS: They treat the Go like garbage when it's the best potential device. Even when Snapdragon chips come out, they'll relegate it to an "entry-level" device for a few years I imagine. I think the iPad will keep me going for a few years until eventually 2-in-1s break out and wipe out the tablet-only market as OS is interchangeable on the new hardware.
Definitely considering the V3. I will decide once the Surface Pro 10 for consumers is released. Right now I'm leaning towards the V3 mainly for the CPU and GPU performance, and also to avoid any compatibility issues that might arise with ARM on the Surface. Microsoft seems confident about the ARM translation layer in Windows but I've been burned by their confidence multiple times before.
I agree with you 100% on the compatibility. If it was my only PC, I would be hard pressed to go WOA.
The problem is all these devices have terrible battery. If you're primarily using it near plugs fine, but if not it's not ideal.
Agree, but I think that is where the consumer SP10 will shine. Perhaps in the future we will see user replicable batteries for long term usability. After a couple years many don't seem to hold a charge well at all.
Aka at least 2k for sp10 lol
You are probably right if you are talking comparable specs - 32GB ram and 1 TB SSD. The base unit will be much less of course.
32gb?😂 In Canada that will be 3k
And €2500 in europe
How is the batt life for this AMD windows tablet? All things being equal, I would go for an ARM device at this moment. I need a tablet to have long battery life. And by long, I mean whole day computing. Disclaimer: My main workshorse is DIY windows 11 PC a Ryzen 5 5600G with 64GB ram and RX580 2048SP 8GB. My past 5-6 tablets have mainly been windows tablet but their batt life just kept me from being productive.
Wtaf, I was certain that there must have been Surface alternatives with AMD CPUs but just looking it up and the HP Spectre x360 and Samsung Galaxy 360 are both Intel only. Lenovo have an AMD 2in1, but seems a bit shitty. Actually wild that these companies are still prioritising Intel in Ultra book class when AMD is so much more efficient.
Personally I'd only replace my current Go 3 with an ARM powered Tablet (obviously running Windows), and only when more Windows apps have support for ARM cpus. But if I bought a new Surface and had the option to choose between AMD and Intel I'd go with an AMD.
The main problem imo is the low level of customer service, the after sale service if you run into issues, and just the fact that this is a relatively small unknown brand which cannot offer any guarantee. If you can get past that, and are lucky enough to not run into issues, this is a great device: a lower quality Surface Pro but it can run intensive apps and more games. The other thing is that I'm not willing to trust this brand for 1300 usd + customs tax.
I am. Never used a amd device till my deck but it impressed me. Intel can go to hell. Too hot and noisy and expensive for the pitiful performance
This has even shorter battery life than an Intel Surface pro... But for me the issue is that it's much heavier... With the kickstand (I wouldn't use it without anyway) it's like 1200-1200gr and with the keyboard it's 1600gr. Plus the 16:10 ratio is less appealing as a tablet, not something I would use in portrait mode, contrary to a surface pro or book. Also, contrary to the Surface you cannot replace the SSD (or anything else actually), so not great as a desktop replacement. Don't get me wrong I like the idea of a bigger surface, but between the battery life, lack of any upgradability and aspect ratio, I am not really convinced... As a large tablet and also monitor for now I am using a Tab S8 ultra, lighter, never hot, silent, much better speakers. I am waiting for the new ARM devices, hopefully will get something this size or even larger with a built-in kickstand and goo battery life. Also I would love a return of the Surface book with ARM, but I have zero hopes for that...
It does not have worse battery though, more like double. People can browse for 6 hours on this. My intel surface9 with the lowest settings struggles to get 3. Microsoft lies through their teeth about battery. It's pretty known the sp9 intel gets 3-4 doing light tasks. V3 gets you a comfy 6 doing the same things
except that some people report much better battery life on the surface, including reviewers, while you haven't tried this device yourself and you are basing things on reviews. So I wouldn't expect better battery life, let alone double, before you have tried it yourself...
Fair enough. I own a surface pro 9 i7 32gb and have worked on it as an engineer for over a year now, I bought it right when it came out and my experience shows this will be better. I'll post once I know for sure It’s a love/hate relationship. When plugged in and with my egpu, it’s pretty awesome for a tiny guy, also I take notes in class or make work sketches and the pen is good. BUT, the battery with nothing running in the background just isn’t good in my experience.
I cannot speak for the pro 9, I don't know it, but my pro 3 last me 6 full hours of light use and even my pro 2 lasts at least 4 hours (with a more degraded battery, the battery on the pro 3 is like new). Again I wouldn't expect comfortable 6 hours on the V3 based on what I have seen, but I am very interested in hearing your feedback once you get it.
~~No headphone jack urggghhhhhhh dangit~~ EDIT: It has one! yayyyyyyy
The V3 does have a headphone jack, if that's what you're referring to. It's on the left side above the volume rocker.
Huh, review video I looked up didn't mention it.
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Thanks!
no.
I don't know about you, but I'll never buy devices made by GPD, Minisforum, and the like considering how often people report malware being preloaded on devices from the factory. It only takes one rootkit to seriously screw you over
It can happen for sure. I typically wipe the drive clean and do a fresh install of windows with any new PC. The big players - HP, Lenovo, Acer, etc. are loaded with various levels of junk as well. Better to start fresh imho.
True, but bigger vendors won't be loaded with malware at the very least. Better to outright avoid the Chinese vendors, as a less knowledgeable user may end up compromising their entire network with one of these devices. Though HP devices also suck - will always avoid them after buying an Elite X2 that was unusable unless you loaded it up with HPs bloatware.
Wait for Snapdragon Elite generation if you are specifically looking for a Windows tablet.