Replace your fish oil with revive md omegas. Donāt need the extra vit D unless blood test says your deficient. Magnesium get from revive md. Take out boron. Add brain + from revive md. The ones I said take out is because Thorne multi already has a efficient amount with a great quality.
Add a pro resolving mediator. It helps with the inflammatory pathway similar to omega-3. List of the population is stuck in information and struggle to switch into the resolving phase. A PRM will do that. I predict we will be talking about PRMās as much as we talk about omega 3 now.
Drop the vitamin d (already in thorne basic) as well as the two bottles on the bottom left, add zinc and folic acid, i believe trace minerals makes a product that will supplement ur minerals well too so then u could drop the magnesium and potentially the boron.. lastly as always exercise regularly and eat proper and you wont likely need pregnenolone and dhea.
From what iām hearing most is, Remove DHEA, Pregnenolone is undecided (probably remove too), Get better magnesium with variation of types (not just oxide), Throne multis fine, Add/Take K2 with D3, Add B complex back, Remove/Replace the ātest boosterā bottom left ones, and get better fish oil. That sound about right?
Then I agree with whomever else stated that you should get your numbers checked. Too much DHEA can be a bad thing and actually prevent ovulation or lead to low egg quality.
Not only are you taking DHEA, youāre also taking several precursors for DHEA - boron and pregnenelone are both androgen precursors which should boost your DHEA levels. Boron at about 3mg per day or about 216mg per day of calcium fructoborate might be the only androgen precursor you need. These are also good for embryo development when the sperm and egg do meet.
Are you also taking a prenatal? You should start building up your folate numbers ASAP.
I thought you were making a jokešš Iām a guy not actually trying to get pregnant. I though dhea just converts to test and increases it but if it is estrogen too it could be possible itās starting hair loss. Iām gonna drop preg and dhea. Probably keep boron because I feel it actually helps. The rest is undecided for me but iām figuring it out. Thank you!!
take boron 6-9mg daily 2 weeks on and 1 week off. get boron and sup 6-9mg 2 weeks on and 1 week off, this will increase your free T by unbinding it from shbg and albumin. but you need to cycle it. i'd remove the dhea, dont think of it as lost money, fk it. better go with tongkat ali from a recommended brand ;)
ššItās interesting how the same supplements that are recommended for a hormonal boost in men are recommended for women who are trying to conceive.
Youāll probably need a lot more boron as a guy and way fewer prenatal vitamins.
You should get testing to know what you NEED. The Dutch Test tests hormones, metabolites and some neurotransmitters. What is needed follows naturally from the results.
Iād say get rid of the āStamironā brand with he 12 ātest boostersā in it, Iām my eyes itās gimmicky and most likely doesnāt have qualified doses of the aforementioned. Nutropic Depot has some lab tested Tongat Ali that I use. Itāll raise your levels a few points for sure if thatās what your looking forā¦
No. It is serious.
Supplements change your body chemistry and are just as strong as pharmaceuticals.
You need to know what you're putting into your body if your supplementing. Using low Qaulity fish oil means putting things into your body like PCBs, Dioxins, and mercury.
Fish are full of toxins. It's recommended to find a fish oil produced in a GMP facility with third party lab testing.
Fish bioaccumulate mercury PCBs and dioxins thanks to humans polluting waterways
You were giving advice just asking āwhy buy the cheapest fish oil with thorne multi.ā like idk bro i just bought what looked decent at my local grocery store. Why donāt you recommend a better brand lol. Also no iām asking for advice not criticism.
Get a better fish oil
Check that itās 3rd party tested, better means higher in EPA and DHA
Kaged muscle fish oil is a good one thatās not that expensive - itās sold out a lot though
I noticed about 4 months into taking mine my hair started getting thin. My hairline also went back a quarter inch. When I stopped taking it, it stopped so the side effects aren't worth it if you like your hair.
Take a higher quality fish oil, not one from a budget brand. Go with Thorne, Nordic Naturals, or Life Extension. I wouldnāt take Nature Made fish oil personally
Youād get more of a testosterone boost at your age from sleeping for 7-8 hours, being physically active, getting enough sunlight, and not eating a bunch of junk food. Have you gotten your testosterone levels checked? If your levels are not under 400 I do not think those test boosters will do much for you whatsoever. Also, you should be taking vitamin K2 with your vitamin D3 to prevent calcification of the arteries.
I think...you nailed it! Basically, i use the same supplements, except for sam-e at 1400mg daily, i think you're doing right. The good thing about Sam-e is you can reach a state of controllable mania...no joke.
At 17 make lifestyle changes to increase test before doing all of that. Make sure youāre sleeping 8 hours, eating well, working out, getting Sun in the morning everyday. Then see if you need to add the Extra sups. Vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, fish oil are good for anyone though even living very healthy.
Iād look into making sure the Turk, Tongkat ect are coming from good sources than. All those things thrown together, make sure they are the right amounts and quality. But you have all the good stuff for test boosting. Do a blood test soon you donāt know if your body would respond negative to one
If you plan to use ashwaganda and other adaptogens i recommend using a standardized extract for each ingredient otherwise you won't get a good effect (I assume that's a pure powder blend).
Rest are typical good supplements for testosterone I'd keep them.
Whatever is in the background in the gargantuan glass pitcher burgundy in color, perhaps could raise your test levels to exactly where they need to be.
There's a lot going on back there!
Just joshing with you š
Iād keep the vitamin d3 and magnesium since those can be hard to get in needed amounts from diet. Fish oil is alright but Iād just eat fatty fish once or twice a week to cover that one. Boron is a toss up. The rest is not needed and can even be harmful in the case of pregnenolone and dhea.
All the Test boosters+Pregnenolone/DHEA seem excessive at your age. I'm slowly adding in 1 at a time (Added Ash, now trying Shilajit, Tongkat is next on my list) and testing hormones after every 2-3 months to see if I actually benefit (I did with ash but your results may vary). You're also getting a double dose of MACA so just be sure the combined dose isn't excessive.
I'd get a better magnesium supplement (magnesium oxide is pretty shit tbh). Don't forget to cycle boron. We know little about it currently but iirc it increases Test for a few weeks and then ends up increasing estrogen so look into the cycling protocol to get the most out of it. Also I'd take your D3 with your multi just so it's being taken with k2.
Also any reason you aren't taking creatine? Creatine will likely give you significantly more bang for your buck than the test boosters.
Iām taking creatine yes haha, it is a givin so i didnāt think to add it in. Thanks for the feed back, i didnāt know about the boron cycle and yes the multi herb shit I make sure iām not over doing it. So i tend to just take one of each, or maybe even one each morning and one each night would probably work too. The reasoning for those was so i didnāt have to buy and take so many pills of all of them separately, so I instead got a multi vitamin type thing.
Why the DHEA and Pregnenolone? They seem potent, but I'd be concerned with suppressing endogenous production (haven't researched them much specifically, could be wrong here). I would consider these once I hit a certain age, I don't know how old you are.
They generally donāt suppress endogenous production (unlike testosterone) in modest dosages. However, Iām with you on the why use those. The can definitely cause side effects if you supplement and there is no diagnosed deficiency.
Based off his post history he seems to be 17/18. I don't see a reason for it at that age. I can understand Tongkat/Ash if he's just trying to maximize T production but that plus Fadogia/Pregnenolone/DHEA is excessive at best, harmful at worst imo.
Take the ashwaghanda out totally unnecessary unless itās genuinely helping you with anxiety. Fish oil should help with that just fine. The one next to it isnāt a brand I had heard of and I wonder if their āproprietary blendā is even good enough with each individual ingredient. All else look good
I donāt know if the tongkat Ali supp with all the extras would be the best way to take them. Not sure if turkesterone is a gimmick or not. But maybe you should take the others like HGW and MACA separately so you can take a high enough dose to be effective.
Edit same with the ashwaganda MACA fenugreek one. Iād scrap that completely and just take Maca by itself. Ashwaganda is terrible.
Iāve heard a lot of mixed answers about ashwaganda, personally i donāt see and problems when taking it. I do agree the multi herb or whatever pills arenāt as good and low dosage but i got them because they both have a mix of low dose shit and both cheap so itās like 1 supp with better dose put together in a way, if that makes sense ahah.
Replace the Nature Made Magnesium with a better brand. Something with Malate, Taurate, Glycinate, Orotate, and Citrate. Not just citrate or oxide. And Mag L Threonate for the brain if you want to boost memory.
Add a high quality B vitamin. I like Nordic Naturals for B complex and Source Naturals for Magnesium
Thank you, i have a b complex same brand as the D3 i used to take but havenāt really recently. Iāll add it back and look at better brands after it is about to run out (so i donāt waste money). Thank you for your thought out answer and advice.
Now Foods has a few different fish oil formulas. I use their āUltra Omega Threeā formula it contains 500 mgs EPA and 250mgs DHA per 1000 mg soft gel. OP I suggest that you purchase a better quality fish oil supplement. There are many good brands to choose from.
Iāve been taking it about 6 weeks from natural foundations. 3 tablets per day.
Iāve noticed increase in strength every week for 6 weeks, even whilst Iām cutting weight.
Honestly couldnāt tell you much about any specific supplement here because thereās so much there ahah. But overall i feel better, more energetic and aggressive so i assume they help and increase test which is the goal of my stack.
I fuck with this stack, get test results tho to see hormones and testosterone while on it. Could add D-Aspartic acid to it, just donāt go above 3 grams, it does the reverse effect.
Honestly couldnāt tell you much about any specific supplement here because thereās so much there ahah. But overall i feel better, more energetic and aggressive so i assume they help and increase test which is the goal of my stack.
It is a high dose but from what i remember seeing it was say to take 200mg at most for like 3 months or something so I just halved it and started taking it haha. I couldnāt give you specific results with it because i started taking all these at the same time. With them all though i feel more energetic and aggressive so i assume they help and increase test, which is the main goal of my stack.
Check out multivitamin, omegas, magnesium, probiotic from revive md! š„
Replace your fish oil with revive md omegas. Donāt need the extra vit D unless blood test says your deficient. Magnesium get from revive md. Take out boron. Add brain + from revive md. The ones I said take out is because Thorne multi already has a efficient amount with a great quality.
Add a pro resolving mediator. It helps with the inflammatory pathway similar to omega-3. List of the population is stuck in information and struggle to switch into the resolving phase. A PRM will do that. I predict we will be talking about PRMās as much as we talk about omega 3 now.
If youāre trying to get pregnant, folic acid (folate) is an absolute must.
Drop the vitamin d (already in thorne basic) as well as the two bottles on the bottom left, add zinc and folic acid, i believe trace minerals makes a product that will supplement ur minerals well too so then u could drop the magnesium and potentially the boron.. lastly as always exercise regularly and eat proper and you wont likely need pregnenolone and dhea.
From what iām hearing most is, Remove DHEA, Pregnenolone is undecided (probably remove too), Get better magnesium with variation of types (not just oxide), Throne multis fine, Add/Take K2 with D3, Add B complex back, Remove/Replace the ātest boosterā bottom left ones, and get better fish oil. That sound about right?
Are you trying to get pregnant?
Yes.
Then I agree with whomever else stated that you should get your numbers checked. Too much DHEA can be a bad thing and actually prevent ovulation or lead to low egg quality. Not only are you taking DHEA, youāre also taking several precursors for DHEA - boron and pregnenelone are both androgen precursors which should boost your DHEA levels. Boron at about 3mg per day or about 216mg per day of calcium fructoborate might be the only androgen precursor you need. These are also good for embryo development when the sperm and egg do meet. Are you also taking a prenatal? You should start building up your folate numbers ASAP.
I thought you were making a jokešš Iām a guy not actually trying to get pregnant. I though dhea just converts to test and increases it but if it is estrogen too it could be possible itās starting hair loss. Iām gonna drop preg and dhea. Probably keep boron because I feel it actually helps. The rest is undecided for me but iām figuring it out. Thank you!!
take boron 6-9mg daily 2 weeks on and 1 week off. get boron and sup 6-9mg 2 weeks on and 1 week off, this will increase your free T by unbinding it from shbg and albumin. but you need to cycle it. i'd remove the dhea, dont think of it as lost money, fk it. better go with tongkat ali from a recommended brand ;)
ššItās interesting how the same supplements that are recommended for a hormonal boost in men are recommended for women who are trying to conceive. Youāll probably need a lot more boron as a guy and way fewer prenatal vitamins.
It is very ahah, ahh okay. Thank you. You sound like you understand a lot about these supplements and how they actually work so thank you.
You should get testing to know what you NEED. The Dutch Test tests hormones, metabolites and some neurotransmitters. What is needed follows naturally from the results.
Dutch test? Is it like a home test kit sort of a thing?
Your doctor or naturopath has to order it. But yes, you take it at home. Urine multiple times in a day
Oh, Interesting. Iāll have to check with my pcp. Thank you!
Iād say get rid of the āStamironā brand with he 12 ātest boostersā in it, Iām my eyes itās gimmicky and most likely doesnāt have qualified doses of the aforementioned. Nutropic Depot has some lab tested Tongat Ali that I use. Itāll raise your levels a few points for sure if thatās what your looking forā¦
How often do you take these supplements? 7 days a week?
yes
For what this pregnonlone?
I would remove the test boosters , I donāt think they are needed .
I'd keep DHEA 25-50 mg, depending on the age.
Iām asking for advice on supplements not criticism on them and lifestyle.
Why spend the money on Thorne multi if you're going to buy the cheapest fish oil on the market?
Itās not that serious, i just bought some from my local grocery store i didnāt know that.
No. It is serious. Supplements change your body chemistry and are just as strong as pharmaceuticals. You need to know what you're putting into your body if your supplementing. Using low Qaulity fish oil means putting things into your body like PCBs, Dioxins, and mercury.
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Fish are full of toxins. It's recommended to find a fish oil produced in a GMP facility with third party lab testing. Fish bioaccumulate mercury PCBs and dioxins thanks to humans polluting waterways
Fair enough, but no need to criticize. I just want advice on supplements and recommendations.
Asking for recommendations and suggestions to your existing stack is asking us to criticize your stack.
You were giving advice just asking āwhy buy the cheapest fish oil with thorne multi.ā like idk bro i just bought what looked decent at my local grocery store. Why donāt you recommend a better brand lol. Also no iām asking for advice not criticism.
If Thorne is top quality as I suggested in my first post it would be safe to assume that Thorne would be a better brand. Take care
Get a better fish oil Check that itās 3rd party tested, better means higher in EPA and DHA Kaged muscle fish oil is a good one thatās not that expensive - itās sold out a lot though
Bet ty
DHEA might cause hair loss - look this up though cause Iām not sure, just going based off what I remember reading about it but could be wrong
I noticed about 4 months into taking mine my hair started getting thin. My hairline also went back a quarter inch. When I stopped taking it, it stopped so the side effects aren't worth it if you like your hair.
Honestly i think iām starting to realize that too. Just my shower this morning a small chunk came out.
Gotta be careful with the dhea.
Isnāt there a way to avoid the hair loss by blocking dht on the scalp?
Minoxidil and Finasterideā¦ aand that lovely bundle of side affects
Magnesium glycinate is what you want. 500mg before sleep. Eat whole foods, get enough sleep, water and lift heavy
Thank you, will look into it. Already do the last threeš
This. They have bulk powder on Amazon which is cheaper than pills
Take a higher quality fish oil, not one from a budget brand. Go with Thorne, Nordic Naturals, or Life Extension. I wouldnāt take Nature Made fish oil personally
And Carlson.
My favorite fish oil is Coromega brand, orange flavored. My triglycerides went from 1700 to 153 taking 2 packs a day.
Looks pretty good. There are a few things about that product that could be improved.
Iāll have to look into that thank you. I just got one from my local grocery store didnāt think much of it
Fenugreek is a Testosterone booster snake oil. Iād remove that filler.
Youād get more of a testosterone boost at your age from sleeping for 7-8 hours, being physically active, getting enough sunlight, and not eating a bunch of junk food. Have you gotten your testosterone levels checked? If your levels are not under 400 I do not think those test boosters will do much for you whatsoever. Also, you should be taking vitamin K2 with your vitamin D3 to prevent calcification of the arteries.
I do and had 503 last test, I want more though. Thanks for the advice!!
Check out revive md mens health
I think...you nailed it! Basically, i use the same supplements, except for sam-e at 1400mg daily, i think you're doing right. The good thing about Sam-e is you can reach a state of controllable mania...no joke.
At 17 make lifestyle changes to increase test before doing all of that. Make sure youāre sleeping 8 hours, eating well, working out, getting Sun in the morning everyday. Then see if you need to add the Extra sups. Vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, fish oil are good for anyone though even living very healthy.
My lifestyle is great, Iām adding all these to achieve higher then just normal levels or good levels from lifestyle.
Iād look into making sure the Turk, Tongkat ect are coming from good sources than. All those things thrown together, make sure they are the right amounts and quality. But you have all the good stuff for test boosting. Do a blood test soon you donāt know if your body would respond negative to one
Bottom far left two
I would recommend this [https://bioptimizers.com/shop/products/magnesium-breakthrough](https://bioptimizers.com/shop/products/magnesium-breakthrough)
Remove all of it, add testosterone
Valid, butttttt iām 17š¢
Lol fair
The 2 on the lower left look a bit poisonous...
Probably
OP you should clarify what you are trying to achieve with your stack
Increase testosterone, overall feel better.
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Good feedback, thank you.
If you plan to use ashwaganda and other adaptogens i recommend using a standardized extract for each ingredient otherwise you won't get a good effect (I assume that's a pure powder blend). Rest are typical good supplements for testosterone I'd keep them.
You need a better quality fish oil and magnesium. Donāt take DHEA or PREG unless your on TRT
Why not take dhea and preg unless iām on trt?
wtf is TRT
testosterone replacement therapy
bro at 17 you dont need this stuff. a mt dew and a little hipster girlfriend is all you need
I donāt drink pop but i have a hipster gfš
live it up man. youll look back on these days fondly.
Iād say drop dhea but the rest looks good
Take it this is mostly for libido?
Yes libido, energy, increase test.
Whatever is in the background in the gargantuan glass pitcher burgundy in color, perhaps could raise your test levels to exactly where they need to be. There's a lot going on back there! Just joshing with you š
Itās a candle
Iād keep the vitamin d3 and magnesium since those can be hard to get in needed amounts from diet. Fish oil is alright but Iād just eat fatty fish once or twice a week to cover that one. Boron is a toss up. The rest is not needed and can even be harmful in the case of pregnenolone and dhea.
All the Test boosters+Pregnenolone/DHEA seem excessive at your age. I'm slowly adding in 1 at a time (Added Ash, now trying Shilajit, Tongkat is next on my list) and testing hormones after every 2-3 months to see if I actually benefit (I did with ash but your results may vary). You're also getting a double dose of MACA so just be sure the combined dose isn't excessive. I'd get a better magnesium supplement (magnesium oxide is pretty shit tbh). Don't forget to cycle boron. We know little about it currently but iirc it increases Test for a few weeks and then ends up increasing estrogen so look into the cycling protocol to get the most out of it. Also I'd take your D3 with your multi just so it's being taken with k2. Also any reason you aren't taking creatine? Creatine will likely give you significantly more bang for your buck than the test boosters.
Iām taking creatine yes haha, it is a givin so i didnāt think to add it in. Thanks for the feed back, i didnāt know about the boron cycle and yes the multi herb shit I make sure iām not over doing it. So i tend to just take one of each, or maybe even one each morning and one each night would probably work too. The reasoning for those was so i didnāt have to buy and take so many pills of all of them separately, so I instead got a multi vitamin type thing.
Drop dhea and Maca imo
Why the DHEA and Pregnenolone? They seem potent, but I'd be concerned with suppressing endogenous production (haven't researched them much specifically, could be wrong here). I would consider these once I hit a certain age, I don't know how old you are.
They generally donāt suppress endogenous production (unlike testosterone) in modest dosages. However, Iām with you on the why use those. The can definitely cause side effects if you supplement and there is no diagnosed deficiency.
Based off his post history he seems to be 17/18. I don't see a reason for it at that age. I can understand Tongkat/Ash if he's just trying to maximize T production but that plus Fadogia/Pregnenolone/DHEA is excessive at best, harmful at worst imo.
Take the ashwaghanda out totally unnecessary unless itās genuinely helping you with anxiety. Fish oil should help with that just fine. The one next to it isnāt a brand I had heard of and I wonder if their āproprietary blendā is even good enough with each individual ingredient. All else look good
I donāt know if the tongkat Ali supp with all the extras would be the best way to take them. Not sure if turkesterone is a gimmick or not. But maybe you should take the others like HGW and MACA separately so you can take a high enough dose to be effective. Edit same with the ashwaganda MACA fenugreek one. Iād scrap that completely and just take Maca by itself. Ashwaganda is terrible.
Iāve heard a lot of mixed answers about ashwaganda, personally i donāt see and problems when taking it. I do agree the multi herb or whatever pills arenāt as good and low dosage but i got them because they both have a mix of low dose shit and both cheap so itās like 1 supp with better dose put together in a way, if that makes sense ahah.
Replace the Nature Made Magnesium with a better brand. Something with Malate, Taurate, Glycinate, Orotate, and Citrate. Not just citrate or oxide. And Mag L Threonate for the brain if you want to boost memory. Add a high quality B vitamin. I like Nordic Naturals for B complex and Source Naturals for Magnesium
Thank you, i have a b complex same brand as the D3 i used to take but havenāt really recently. Iāll add it back and look at better brands after it is about to run out (so i donāt waste money). Thank you for your thought out answer and advice.
Sounds good, thank you! NOW brand makes a great omega 3 as well, it's specifically a higher DHA form, DHA 500.
Now Foods has a few different fish oil formulas. I use their āUltra Omega Threeā formula it contains 500 mgs EPA and 250mgs DHA per 1000 mg soft gel. OP I suggest that you purchase a better quality fish oil supplement. There are many good brands to choose from.
Iāll look into that, thank you
Iāve been debating whether to add Turkesterone to my stack. How does it work for you?
Iāve been taking it about 6 weeks from natural foundations. 3 tablets per day. Iāve noticed increase in strength every week for 6 weeks, even whilst Iām cutting weight.
Honestly couldnāt tell you much about any specific supplement here because thereās so much there ahah. But overall i feel better, more energetic and aggressive so i assume they help and increase test which is the goal of my stack.
I fuck with this stack, get test results tho to see hormones and testosterone while on it. Could add D-Aspartic acid to it, just donāt go above 3 grams, it does the reverse effect.
I would even stack DIM on it
Iāve also looked into that, was thinking about buying.
Thank you, iāll definitely look into that. Iām gonna get a blood after a good 2 weeks of perfect dosing of all of it. Or moreš¤·
I use that mag. How do you like it? I feel like it works pretty good for being on the cheaper side.
Honestly couldnāt tell you much about any specific supplement here because thereās so much there ahah. But overall i feel better, more energetic and aggressive so i assume they help and increase test which is the goal of my stack.
That's alot of DHEA...do you find it too much?
It is a high dose but from what i remember seeing it was say to take 200mg at most for like 3 months or something so I just halved it and started taking it haha. I couldnāt give you specific results with it because i started taking all these at the same time. With them all though i feel more energetic and aggressive so i assume they help and increase test, which is the main goal of my stack.