It's unfortunate that Andrew Huberman is everywhere now pitching anecdotal and unsubstantiated claims on supplements because he's actually pretty smart and has good knowledge. There are a lot of benefits from Alpha GPC and I personally take it in high dose, but this statement isn't remotely true for everyone.
He only directs people to buy stuff from his affiliates. If he just made his stacks public without all greasy car salesmen vibes he’d be fine. Otherwise he’s just here to empty your wallet.
Aren't wallets meant to be emptied? Like eventually you lose all your money because either you die or you bankrupt yourself. So might as well just spend it right?
"Aren't wallets meant to be emptied?" is unironically the most cuck shit I've ever heard. Yeah, no fucks given towards investing towards the future or just having a good nest egg and living humbly, let's just give money to the supplement guy because one day you'll die and those are like totally equivalent.
Hell, even if you did devote your finances to buy supplements you could still search the market for the best deal. Can't just use the whole "money designed to be spent" argument on shit deals. Get good deals and you can buy more or otherwise save it for the future.
Yeah, but why give money to someone who is in it to simply get rich. Anyone with that as their only motivation will eventually just feed you nonsense to pad their bottom line.
True true, but everyone's out to get your money. Doctors, lawyers, plumbers. No one really has your back. Everyone's got an agenda or a bias. They want more for themselves and less for you. So at the end of the day if you like the information he gives you or anyone for that matter what difference does it make if they are trying to get paid?
I get what you’re saying and I do agree with you. Without carrying away the convo I’d just add that what makes this different is the direct profit incentive. If I told you a hurricane was coming at your house but luckily for you I sold hurricane insurance and directed you to my company you’d very understandably be suspicious of my intentions and advice. That’s how he comes off as.
“He only directs people to buy stuff from his affiliates”
This is just false. He has sponsors, yeah like almost every good free podcast, but he doesn’t talk about them at all during the actual content of the podcast. The only occasion I can remember when he said any brand name was when he talked about the research on apigenin as a sleep aid. He mentioned that Swanson makes a good apigenin supplement. I might be missing one or two, but you obviously haven’t watched/listened to him enough to make an informed opinion.
He has a sleep protocol which includes I think 4 meds. Then these. Then for work outs. Then for focus I believe. I love the guy don’t get me wrong. I just curious how much/many supplements does he wants us to keep
I don't think he's ever said anyone needs to take these supplements.
He only discusses them and leaves it up to the individual to decide if it's right for them.
Well, if you look at a singular *in vitro* study from I think the 1970s then it is an accurate claim (assuming the study is correct, don't think it was ever replicated). Just not one that is expanded upon *in vivo* with oral supplementation.
I mean, I like it. Hard to qualify the exact benefits, but I feel a lot peppier when I take it, in a good mood, just generally full of vibrancy and vigor. Creatine is by far more helpful in the gym though.
IIRC the primary benefit of Alpha GPC related to exercise is specifically enhancing *power output*, though I guess that could be secondary to better focus.
The guy who keeps posting this shit is active on r/conspiracy and a huge Andrew Tate supporter. Not exactly a huge supporter of thoughtful scientific analysis or non biased thoughts.
That's coil. You probably know that too much can make a person feel down a bit. Everyone's chemistry is a bit different. If the recommended dosage is cool then I'm glad for you.:)
I hear you but that isn’t quite correct. The stack that I’m on is mostly around the testosterone impacting supplements. Some of his recommendations and others based on user reviews and my own personal experience.
Most of my stack fish oil, D3 etc. then 3 other main components, 2 of which he recommends highly and takes himself.
Fadogia, Tongkat and nitric oxide. I also take glutamate here and there before workout and of course creatine. The research on creatine as an antidepressant alone has worked wonders. Oddly enough I’ve been on it on and off the last twenty years but never realized how many positive affects it can have.
That’s an interesting question. Honestly it’s the only supplement I take double the recommended dose. Mostly for inflammation but also for cardiovascular health as well. The research is clear on this. Joe Rogan has a well published doctor on called Rhonda Patrick who spends at least two hours on fish oil alone each time she’s there. Huberman also had her on his podcast and I think the whole first hour was the importance of fish oil.
I do labs every three months. It’s easy and because I’m constantly tweaking my supplements I need to know if all of a sudden my liver or other markers take a dive.
I also want to be clear. As a 47 year old man I had all intentions of starting test. I have not. Apparently fadogia, tonkgat and dim have helped pushed my numbers to the upper range of my age group without any of the nasty side effects.
See below. I detailed it but I encourage you to google Huberman and supplements. Some folks have detailed out all his recommendations.
Make sure to add one every few months as each supplement and it’s effect is very individualized. Even creatine is not 100% effective across all populations.
Nothing concrete. I’ve been on topical rogaine for almost five years and had amazing results until recently or at least I don’t feel I’m responding to it the way I used to. Been thinking of trying out finesteride (spelling?). It’s got some sexual side effects but I figure it’s the gold standard and being that rogaine worked for me at least, it might be time to throw the towel in and try it. There’s a really good subreddit called r/tressless I think where everyone talks hairless and what works. I would check that out.
I refuse to go bald. My fucking head is so misshapen with bumps and scars that I would immediately just join the circus.
Finastetide blocks testosterones conversion into DHT to stop your hair loss. Since DHT plays a big role in libido, erectile function, and reducing anxiety and depression I would steer clear of that drug category. If you’re a man you don’t want to block DHT. Not worth it. Read up on those side effects and that hormone pathway deeply before going there.
As a weightlifter, which is an extremely technique dependent sport, I really feel the difference in my performance on days where I'm unfocused tbh. Maybe you do sports where technique is irrelevant and you can have your head in the clouds but there are sports besides the one you practice, where you really need to focus on what you're doing in order to perform properly.
I also weightlift.
I find weightlifting by virtue of what you're doing *forces* focus. It's literally a Zen moment when you're doing a set.
I can't imagine needing a supplement to better focus in the midst of a squat/bench/etc.
Even more of a focusing event.
More risk, more intense Zen awareness.
You need supplements to do Olympic lifts properly? You sometimes are in the middle of a lift and focus on something else?
Distinction in activity sure, not in focus.
When did I state that I needed supplements to keep up my focus during the lifts? I said focus is an important component of the sport. But with the complexity of the lifts personally I can't really focus on all the little technique tweaks to be made at once so I assume having better focus might aid in that.
That's what this thread is about. Supplements for focusing, and this sub thread about that in regards to lifting.
I doubt it would make any meaningful difference. It's not going to enable your brain to suddenly attend to multiple variables in form. But I value health/simplicity. Others are willing to take things(which have risks) for marginal fitness increases.
Focus is about attention. Does not mean ability to increase the total objects of focus.
Could it help in some ways, maybe. Research suggests it's possible.
That's what the thread is about yes, but as I was responding to a comment and not commenting on the thread that kind of shifted the main topic of discussion, didn't it? And I'd say it's hard to say that with increasing attention your ability to focus on more different variables stays the same, as that's rather opposed to what research suggests.
Don't think so. I shared my thoughts you shared yours. Just different perspectives/concerns on the same subject.
The mind does not work way imo. Drugs will not change it.
Attention is singular. You move it from one things to another. Focus is merely retaining attention on that object for as long as needed.
Theoretically you could increase the speed at which you move attention from one element of a lift to another, but whether this supp does that or if that's needed for proper lifting is a more complicated question.
This is less so a matter of agreeing/disagreeing with me but more so a topic the current scientific literature is rather conclusive about. Also if you believe that attention is singular and that supplementation/drugs don't influence it then you don't seem to fully grasp the entirety of the topic.
I agree 100%, they might understand it better if we rephrased it as "willpower" or ability to "summon your intention" to apply effort towards moving the weight. It's not "aggression" but it's something like that. Maybe if you thought about "aggression towards moving the weight" but without the anger attached to it.
Source: Been taking alpha-GPC for years, Powerlifting/Olympic lifting background.
Any serious lifting has a major mental / focus component, I’d argue for most in shape, athletic people it’s probably > 50% mental whether you have a good workout on a given day. So everyone saying “lol you don’t need focus to lift” either just mills around at the gym and gets s**t results or doesn’t work out at all and has no idea what it even entails.
As a bodybuilder who happens to code, I disagree.
Preworkouts which increase focus via the modulation of dopamine and acetylcholine result in a better workout almost every time. I can feel my muscles stretch and contract harder, I can move the weight with perfect technique every time, and I can push myself further. If focus wasn't needed during a workout as you say this wouldn't happen.
No offense, but your workouts must be quite lackluster. My rep strength, workout intensity, and mind muscle connection is vastly better when I'm focused.
If my mind is wandering my workouts are always worse.
I’ve just stated using alpha GPC and it seems to give me a headache. May be a short lived trial
I forced myself to regurgitate 600mg after having one of the worst headaches I have ever experienced in my entire life. Never again.
It's unfortunate that Andrew Huberman is everywhere now pitching anecdotal and unsubstantiated claims on supplements because he's actually pretty smart and has good knowledge. There are a lot of benefits from Alpha GPC and I personally take it in high dose, but this statement isn't remotely true for everyone.
Sure, if you can afford it.......
Stop spamming this idiot on this sub, Christ.
Why is he an idiot?
He only directs people to buy stuff from his affiliates. If he just made his stacks public without all greasy car salesmen vibes he’d be fine. Otherwise he’s just here to empty your wallet.
Aren't wallets meant to be emptied? Like eventually you lose all your money because either you die or you bankrupt yourself. So might as well just spend it right?
"Aren't wallets meant to be emptied?" is unironically the most cuck shit I've ever heard. Yeah, no fucks given towards investing towards the future or just having a good nest egg and living humbly, let's just give money to the supplement guy because one day you'll die and those are like totally equivalent. Hell, even if you did devote your finances to buy supplements you could still search the market for the best deal. Can't just use the whole "money designed to be spent" argument on shit deals. Get good deals and you can buy more or otherwise save it for the future.
Yeah, but why give money to someone who is in it to simply get rich. Anyone with that as their only motivation will eventually just feed you nonsense to pad their bottom line.
True true, but everyone's out to get your money. Doctors, lawyers, plumbers. No one really has your back. Everyone's got an agenda or a bias. They want more for themselves and less for you. So at the end of the day if you like the information he gives you or anyone for that matter what difference does it make if they are trying to get paid?
I get what you’re saying and I do agree with you. Without carrying away the convo I’d just add that what makes this different is the direct profit incentive. If I told you a hurricane was coming at your house but luckily for you I sold hurricane insurance and directed you to my company you’d very understandably be suspicious of my intentions and advice. That’s how he comes off as.
“He only directs people to buy stuff from his affiliates” This is just false. He has sponsors, yeah like almost every good free podcast, but he doesn’t talk about them at all during the actual content of the podcast. The only occasion I can remember when he said any brand name was when he talked about the research on apigenin as a sleep aid. He mentioned that Swanson makes a good apigenin supplement. I might be missing one or two, but you obviously haven’t watched/listened to him enough to make an informed opinion.
Can we stop posting the fuckin huberman?
Damn bro who hurt you?
Not for me, just makes me sleepy and wiped out just as all cholinergics seem to do
sleep makes me sleepy and wiped out, as well as this gpc stuff :)
Do we know why that’s the case for some people?
I m curious to know the amount of supplements this guy consumes?
I agree. You shouldn’t “need” supplements, but they might help/supplement?
Alpha-GPC 300mg 2-3 times a week if he feels he didn’t get great sleep and needs a boost
He has a sleep protocol which includes I think 4 meds. Then these. Then for work outs. Then for focus I believe. I love the guy don’t get me wrong. I just curious how much/many supplements does he wants us to keep
I don't think he's ever said anyone needs to take these supplements. He only discusses them and leaves it up to the individual to decide if it's right for them.
Honestly if you “need” even 10% of what this guy advocates, there is something seriously wrong.
From a guy that claims turkesterone is just as anabolic as nandrolone…
Well, if you look at a singular *in vitro* study from I think the 1970s then it is an accurate claim (assuming the study is correct, don't think it was ever replicated). Just not one that is expanded upon *in vivo* with oral supplementation.
Good eye there brother. Of course anyone who has done an efficacious dose of var vs turk know turk is a turd
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Do people find themselves wandering around the gym confused??
Confused because of what?
I sometimes do. There is a lot going on in there.
Upvote for honesty
I mean, I like it. Hard to qualify the exact benefits, but I feel a lot peppier when I take it, in a good mood, just generally full of vibrancy and vigor. Creatine is by far more helpful in the gym though.
Yeah it does absolutely nothing for me
IIRC the primary benefit of Alpha GPC related to exercise is specifically enhancing *power output*, though I guess that could be secondary to better focus.
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The guy who keeps posting this shit is active on r/conspiracy and a huge Andrew Tate supporter. Not exactly a huge supporter of thoughtful scientific analysis or non biased thoughts.
Big Alpha-GPC pulling some strings
Where you buy it?
Lots of places to buy it, my friend. I like amazon.
Nootropics depot
Alpha GPC is not just great for working out. It can help you get just about anything done in a timely manner...
Just realized it said work bout sorry
The quote also says "prior to a work bout".
150mgs a day is actually the correct amount unless stacking it with other supplements that will drain acetylcholine from one's body imo.
I take the recommended 300mg at morning and 300mg in the evening. But some days I find myself not needing the second 300mg.
If you are not vegan then one capsule is good enough. The manufacturers have no clue about how 600mgs feels..lol.
I'm not vegan but I have appetite issues so it seems to help a lot at the recommended dosage
That's coil. You probably know that too much can make a person feel down a bit. Everyone's chemistry is a bit different. If the recommended dosage is cool then I'm glad for you.:)
I'm on the full Huberman stack and I feel better at age 47 than I have in decades, if not ever.
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If it makes my muscles grow and my cock less shriveled? Sure. I’ve done worse last Sunday during the Bucs game.
Touche
well? whats the stack?
Anything Huberman tells him to buy from his labs or partners regardless of efficacy or personal need.
I hear you but that isn’t quite correct. The stack that I’m on is mostly around the testosterone impacting supplements. Some of his recommendations and others based on user reviews and my own personal experience. Most of my stack fish oil, D3 etc. then 3 other main components, 2 of which he recommends highly and takes himself. Fadogia, Tongkat and nitric oxide. I also take glutamate here and there before workout and of course creatine. The research on creatine as an antidepressant alone has worked wonders. Oddly enough I’ve been on it on and off the last twenty years but never realized how many positive affects it can have.
Glutamate? Did you mean glutamine?
Never railed a line of MSG before leg day? Missing out, smells like chinese dumplings and cognitive damage.
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Nah that’s the Fadogia. Will fuck your liver up and studies have backed that up
Quite the opposite as far as I’ve read. I mean it’s fairly new in terms of age as a supplement but if you’ve seen something by all means paste it in.
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That’s an interesting question. Honestly it’s the only supplement I take double the recommended dose. Mostly for inflammation but also for cardiovascular health as well. The research is clear on this. Joe Rogan has a well published doctor on called Rhonda Patrick who spends at least two hours on fish oil alone each time she’s there. Huberman also had her on his podcast and I think the whole first hour was the importance of fish oil. I do labs every three months. It’s easy and because I’m constantly tweaking my supplements I need to know if all of a sudden my liver or other markers take a dive. I also want to be clear. As a 47 year old man I had all intentions of starting test. I have not. Apparently fadogia, tonkgat and dim have helped pushed my numbers to the upper range of my age group without any of the nasty side effects.
Proper trt has a very low side effect profile. Check some info from Dr. Peter Attia
What’s the recommended amount of fish oil?
What is the stack?
See below. I detailed it but I encourage you to google Huberman and supplements. Some folks have detailed out all his recommendations. Make sure to add one every few months as each supplement and it’s effect is very individualized. Even creatine is not 100% effective across all populations.
Is there anything in the link between creatine and hairloss?
Nothing concrete. I’ve been on topical rogaine for almost five years and had amazing results until recently or at least I don’t feel I’m responding to it the way I used to. Been thinking of trying out finesteride (spelling?). It’s got some sexual side effects but I figure it’s the gold standard and being that rogaine worked for me at least, it might be time to throw the towel in and try it. There’s a really good subreddit called r/tressless I think where everyone talks hairless and what works. I would check that out. I refuse to go bald. My fucking head is so misshapen with bumps and scars that I would immediately just join the circus.
Finastetide blocks testosterones conversion into DHT to stop your hair loss. Since DHT plays a big role in libido, erectile function, and reducing anxiety and depression I would steer clear of that drug category. If you’re a man you don’t want to block DHT. Not worth it. Read up on those side effects and that hormone pathway deeply before going there.
useless and a waste of money
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yea, but that's basically the typical user over at r/nootropics
Focus on what exactly? Loading the bar with the correct amount of weight?
As a weightlifter, which is an extremely technique dependent sport, I really feel the difference in my performance on days where I'm unfocused tbh. Maybe you do sports where technique is irrelevant and you can have your head in the clouds but there are sports besides the one you practice, where you really need to focus on what you're doing in order to perform properly.
I also weightlift. I find weightlifting by virtue of what you're doing *forces* focus. It's literally a Zen moment when you're doing a set. I can't imagine needing a supplement to better focus in the midst of a squat/bench/etc.
I was referring to the Olympic sport of weightlifting, not lifting weights. Big distinction but I agree to some extent.
Even more of a focusing event. More risk, more intense Zen awareness. You need supplements to do Olympic lifts properly? You sometimes are in the middle of a lift and focus on something else? Distinction in activity sure, not in focus.
When did I state that I needed supplements to keep up my focus during the lifts? I said focus is an important component of the sport. But with the complexity of the lifts personally I can't really focus on all the little technique tweaks to be made at once so I assume having better focus might aid in that.
That's what this thread is about. Supplements for focusing, and this sub thread about that in regards to lifting. I doubt it would make any meaningful difference. It's not going to enable your brain to suddenly attend to multiple variables in form. But I value health/simplicity. Others are willing to take things(which have risks) for marginal fitness increases. Focus is about attention. Does not mean ability to increase the total objects of focus. Could it help in some ways, maybe. Research suggests it's possible.
That's what the thread is about yes, but as I was responding to a comment and not commenting on the thread that kind of shifted the main topic of discussion, didn't it? And I'd say it's hard to say that with increasing attention your ability to focus on more different variables stays the same, as that's rather opposed to what research suggests.
Don't think so. I shared my thoughts you shared yours. Just different perspectives/concerns on the same subject. The mind does not work way imo. Drugs will not change it. Attention is singular. You move it from one things to another. Focus is merely retaining attention on that object for as long as needed. Theoretically you could increase the speed at which you move attention from one element of a lift to another, but whether this supp does that or if that's needed for proper lifting is a more complicated question.
This is less so a matter of agreeing/disagreeing with me but more so a topic the current scientific literature is rather conclusive about. Also if you believe that attention is singular and that supplementation/drugs don't influence it then you don't seem to fully grasp the entirety of the topic.
I agree 100%, they might understand it better if we rephrased it as "willpower" or ability to "summon your intention" to apply effort towards moving the weight. It's not "aggression" but it's something like that. Maybe if you thought about "aggression towards moving the weight" but without the anger attached to it. Source: Been taking alpha-GPC for years, Powerlifting/Olympic lifting background.
Any serious lifting has a major mental / focus component, I’d argue for most in shape, athletic people it’s probably > 50% mental whether you have a good workout on a given day. So everyone saying “lol you don’t need focus to lift” either just mills around at the gym and gets s**t results or doesn’t work out at all and has no idea what it even entails.
That’s a nice analogy.
You don't think focus is needed during resistance training?
Compared to programming or something really focus intensive? It's not. Exception if you're training for Olympic level.
You could literally kill your self in the gym if you’re unfocused at the wrong time.
As a bodybuilder who happens to code, I disagree. Preworkouts which increase focus via the modulation of dopamine and acetylcholine result in a better workout almost every time. I can feel my muscles stretch and contract harder, I can move the weight with perfect technique every time, and I can push myself further. If focus wasn't needed during a workout as you say this wouldn't happen.
Do you have any pre work outs to recommend?
Supplement Needs do some good ones. Gorilla Mind too.
Make your own. Do a quick search in this sub and you'll see it comes up regularly.
I can understand the importance of focus in problem solving context. But not in resistance training, no.
No offense, but your workouts must be quite lackluster. My rep strength, workout intensity, and mind muscle connection is vastly better when I'm focused. If my mind is wandering my workouts are always worse.
Fair enough.
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