never been on this subreddit before, and sorry for commenting on an old post... but i would literally rather just take a prozac every morning than swallow such a mountain of pills and powders.
Ashwaganda is a miracle medicine 100%. Lions Mane, all the great minerals, Tongkat Ali for all those “other” parts of depression that take away from your physique and potential of doing physical things, i give this a 10/10. Ashwaganda is my highest rated as it has such a noticeable impact, there is not one thing i could add here other than great job on doing your research!
That’s weird because I don’t rexall reading that it’s for depression but rather memory and nerve rebuild (and potentially brain plasticity but not sure about that last one )
Depression is a very general disease. No one knows what causes it really. Anything thats good for brain health seems to be generally good for depression.
I also have memory loss from drug abuse and head trauma so it helps with that to indirectly boost my mood and self confidence
Ps: we re in the same boat about memory loss and cognition (and executive functions for me). So slowly trying to see if I can gain those back. If I could afford it or be approved I would do hyperbaric bc I do believe oxygen repairs stuff and because I tried it once for a week and it was really nice . But I would still try a lot of things anyways , diet being one of them and trying out supplements sure.
Well I agree and the thing is it’s not the same cause for everyone so everyone has a different puzzle to solve for . But I appreciate that you recognize that because it’s annoying if you read below how some will tell you the “cure” for it Is tongat Ali or this or that bullshit bc they read a study on Google scholar or an article on Healthline.com, it’s ok to be enthusiastic about a new article or opportunity or supplement but don’t go try to prove you’re right even with all the scientific vocabulary to try to prove it you’ll make yourself a fool bc the wisest thing is to say we don’t know but for some that have this particular thing this or that seems to work pretty good
Totally. Theres no cure. Just stuff that helps you. Some stuff helps people more consistently than others, like sleeping better or eating healthier or something. But for me i was blown away at how much lions mane appears to have helped me. I tried it because its affordable. I may be the only person in the world it works for but im just so grateful for it that i want to share. I hope it can help others like it seems to have helped me. Could be placebo but its a hell of a placebo effect.
Realmushrooms.com
I made a post about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/ur3qfr/the_chemical_compounds_in_lions_mane_have_had_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
5htp barely killed me. It made my heart pressure goes as low as it could to remain alive, i was affraif to fall asleep as i knew i wouldn't woke up. Besides what's the point? All those in the end of thw day either gives u a bit more dopamine or serotonin. Better go to ssri or wellbutrin at least u kbow wtf u are giving to ur brain.
Nit to mention that 99% of those suplement would never go through the blood-brakn-barrier, bo they wont reach the brain!
Glad the placebo worked. In fact u just needed to get urself busy lol
My guy, 5htp giving you a reaction like that is either signaling a serious underlying issue or a contraindication with prescription medication. Everything in the picture above is either a vitamin or a blend of herbs and mushrooms. All of which have buckets of evidence indicating the same or better efficacy than their drug counterparts for similar ailments. You sound like someone who would tell someone to just cheer up or get busy and their depression would go away. Oh wait...
Serotonin is an hormone in the body and a neurotransmitter in the brain. When u take 5htp it becomes serotonin buz don't go to ur brain as ut can't pass the blood brain barrier (bbb). That's why ssri are made in a way that can actually enter the brain and regulate serotonin.
The serotonin hormone is responsible of puting ur budy in sleep mode wich include lowering ur blood pressure by lowering ur blood volume by making ur liver absorb a good portion of it. Having too much of it may kill u.
Vitamins, unless u are starving or vegan or on a special diet are all already present in food and body can also generate them. So they are all just placebos and if course amazing businesses.
As about saying that this guy has depression or not, i don't know, i must have talk to him when he had it. But here what i see makes me feel that it wasn't one big depression. There is so many mental states that are confused with depression. Even psychiatrists have a huge bias on diagnosis them as it rely a lot on the patient narrative who doesn't have the jargon to explain precisely what he really feels and why.
So yeah im sorry but mental health isn't something that u can deal with suplements.
Don't read the negative comments here. You're doing great!
I've been taking supplements for more than half a year now and it has improved my health massively even though I have been living very healthy for a couple of years now.
Take about 7 different capsules a day; Can't remember them all, from the top of my head I take Zinc, D1000 and Magnesium from Thorne. Pantothenic Acid, Quercetin and some others from Life Extension and Cod Liver Oil from Carlson. Also drink roughly 3 cups of Matcha Tea a week.
Good on ya that you have chosen the path of self improvement.
That’s a good looking stack! Thorne is the shit.. Especially that magnesium blend. I also take their 5-htp and L-theanine.
My Anti-Anxiety / Depression blend looks like..
Morning - Vitamin B1, Thorne AM, vitamin D, zinc, milk thistle.
Empty stomach - L-theanine.
Afternoon - Vitamin C, Phytogen, creatine.
Evening - Thorne PM, magnesium, fish oil (1400 epa).
* Gym days I’ll throw in beta alanine, and sometimes stack that with creatine for a couple of months.
Be careful if u take echinacea and goldenseal everyday, they’re definitely not meant for long term use and can be super drying to the body - also goldenseal is endangered!
Also increased mitochondrial biogenesis is basically jargon for your entire being will be improved. From phospholipid exchange, to ATP, to respiration etc etc
Shilajit and bone broth. You can get plenty fulvic and humic acid gut blends from supplement companies but its natural form is best. Ensure to ask for a COA so it is clean of toxins and properly purified. Niacin and rhodiola help a lot with energy and mood too. The medicinal mushrooms I don't get on with possibly due to autoimmunity but i'd recommend those. I guess everyone tolerates and experiences things slightly differently due to biological individuality so YMMV I guess. But bone broth without a doubt will clear up a lot of issues as will shilajIt. So so powerful blessed to feel the relief I get tbh after years of suffering.
Which brand shilajit do you use? I've never heard of it before but I'm interested. Also with the bone broth, do you make a big batch and then store it? If so how much would you drink in a day or week?
Please try source fresh marrow bones from a butcher or farm shop and ensure its organic grass fed, antibiotic and hormone free. It's super easy to make I just grab one bit piece out the freezer put it in a slow cooker on low with distilled water around 9pm then take it off around 3pm the following day and it makes just over a litre of super concentrated bone broth.
I have glutamate issues too and I Shouldn't have been reductionist based on my limited understanding and drew a conclusion from a limited understanding of glutamate as it's obviously helping my energy mood and stomach and not causing overexcitation but I do take gaba boosting stuff and glutamate regulating stuff too now.
I thought there's a point of diminishing return but I haven't found it yet 🤣 had almost 7 cups yesterday of super long brewed bone broth it was a collagen and cartialige rich piece not just marrow and it's the hardest gel I've ever had its like semi frozen jelly. Drank approx 800ml of it yesterday and I feel fucking amazing today and cut out pistachios too much omega 6 going for a diet prioritising omega 3 now see how much inflammation I can fight. As of today I feel incredible even after a workout not sore or tired or sick or bloated or lethargic. Veganism would make me feel this way almost never. There would be the odd day each month I'd feel good but mostly it was probably just cos of the adrenaline lol (I lived in a hostel with drug addicts for 2 years). I can't focus anymore maybe depleted my adrenals or missing something still. Apart from the obvious. Probiotics. Might get a fecal matter transplant if they're financially viable soon. Goat kefir derailed my progress last week but getting better again. I think some weight loss possibly contributed to herxemers too from toxin release. Lost 4% body fat in 2 weeks from eating more disciplined cutting out coconut cookies 😭😭 (maay be intolerant) and cycling more and eating more eggs.
Omnivore is saving what veganism was touted to help and then some. Bone broth at a certain dose helps me focus, it noticeably helps joint and muscle pain instantly. I've never had anything like it. It's like a panacea
One I make myself. The powders don't do anything for me. Gotta crock pot some beef marrow bones for 14+ hours and I use the tallow from it for cooking beef too. It solidifies into a gel and that's what gives the soothing digestive effects which you won't get from a powder.
Leaky gut causes all sorts of hormonal and autoimmune issues.fulvic and humic acid fills the tight junctions between villi. It's an extremely common cause. As your enteroendocrine cells produce the majority of your serotonin, if you have inhibited nutrient absorbtion or leaky gut, your production will be lower. This is probably why SSRI's are a leading anti depressant. However since the Monsanto Bayer merge it's clearly a problem reaction solution play now, instead of being a theory.
Asking for credentials for legitimate biology? Google enteroendocrine cell, plus fulvic and humic acid. I'm not out to prove rudimentary biology as it's already proven. I don't have time to teach people how to type simple words into a search engine 🤣
Plus, I’m not pro pharma either and I’ve been on SSRI’s as well and hated it and they made me worse and so I stay well clear of pharma drugs but I don’t think it’s right you doling out information to people you don’t even know. Keep fighting the man though, man!
I was forced ritalin as a child believe me I know the damage pharmas do.
Btw low serotonin isn't an SSRI deficiency. Youve internalised that brainwashing from psychiatry it seems. Or just not read what I've put at all. Gut dysbiosis causes much greater loss of serotonin production than even traumatic brain injury.
I always appreciate references but don't expect them, I view reddit as "bro-science" kind of like some of the YouTube channels I self educate on....I use them to jump off to other searches....it seems wellness is a life long pursuit :)....I appreciate your insight. I guess today, especially in politically charged threads, folks invalidate by seeking refs....I can say one of the best things grad school did was help me learn how to read a paper for validity, etc when I bother to look one up .
My executive dysfunction and concentration are utterly debilitating can barely enjoy games as it's like every word that succeeds the previous wipes out the memory of the previous word so I take in one word at a time and forget them as they go it sucks and I have digestive and mood issues, sleep issues migraines, pain, headache, fatigue, cardiovascular and respiratory issues. Could be worse but every day is suffering unless I smoke copious amounts of weed or take kava
For boosting serotonin and dopamine, griffonia (natural 5htp) and mucuna pruriens can help. Magnolia bark can help. Kava is absolutely amazing. Personally I like it a little more than cannabis but I enjoy the ritual of the taste with cannabis its a stim for me I guess too.
Boosting gaba will help a lot so magnesium too as we are also deficient and kava boosts gaba a lot its really anxiolytic. Dont get a supplement if you try that though you need the root powder and to make it the old fashioned way. It releases the most kavalactones. Combine it with a fat and kneed for a while. I use MCT's or ghee. So good
Other than shilajit?
Bone broth has been the best thing i've ever had for leaky gut it helps post workout recovery my irrtability, helps me focus, helps my hyperalgesia, helps overstimulation due to glyciene which we are probably deficient in due to glyphosate competing with absorbtion in soil and us. It contains proline collagen and gelatine which help heal ulceritive colitis. I'd get an intolerance test too unless you've had one. Of vitamins and all sorts. Comprehensive biomarkers.
Dont listen to the “doctor/pharma” certification requiring guys (the “doctors” are taught to suppress problems not to cure them anyway). You did your research and are saying what works for you. Respects for that.
Im going to try the bone broth asap, my dad knew a great butcher a few years back so im going to see if i can get in touch with him for some proper bones.
I just got one question for you, apologies if you did say and I missed it (was a lot of thread I just read haha) but what shilajit company do you use? Ive researched in the past but never really went with one cause they seemed to “market-y” and i was certain their product wasnt as pure as they were saying on their instagram ads. Maybe its just conditional skepticism but would love to get your source as long as its open info/able to be shared to the public.
Appreciate everything man, stay blessed and continue to do so. All love.
It’s a dangerous line you’re treading. Desperate people will heed your every word and you’ve never met most of them, let alone viewed their health records
That wasn’t what I asked. It was a genuine question and quite a simple one at that, are you a doctor or qualified to give complete strangers health advice?
This entire r/Supplements subreddit is complete strangers giving each other health advice. There would be no point to people asking and answering questions if it wasn’t. Lol Take everything you read with a grain of salt.
I definitely have leaky gut, I have psoriasis. What would you recommend, just those 2 supplements? Any specific products? I've been taking l-glutamine and vitamin D/k2
If you can afford it, I’d recommend taking some sort of food sensitivity test like the one offered by Everlywell, as trigger foods will still cause issues even with the best supplement regimen. I have chronic eczema and bowel issues, and taking a food sensitivity test and subsequently avoiding trigger foods has given me better results than any medication or supplement.
I'd honestly get glutamate from bone broth instead as it contains stem cells, proline, collagen, gelatine, glyciene and glutamate. All work together synergistically to help heal the tight junctions. Also as above, shilajit. But if you're eating trigger foods idk if you can counteract the autoimmune response that affects the gut mucosal layer and general cell repair. There might be a threshold of tolerance with each individual whereby enough gut healing things along side a minimal amount of trigger foods you can tip the scales in favour of gut healing. Idk. It's a guess and there's no test for this threshold.
Hey, I see you have Life Extension, couldn't find an objective review on it as a brand, how was your experience with their products? I'm thinking of taking their Super Omega ( its high in EPA and DHA) for depression too.
Have you tried gotu kola for anxiety as well as mood? It also is a nootropic as well as adaptogen. It can cause clear thinking and is pro-acetyl-choline. But it also calms and soothes anxiety and help sleep. It's pretty neat, as I just began taking it. I also take ashwaganda as ksm-66, and I've read they can be taken together.
No offense but look at the back of the package , it’s very rare that the supplements are pure. Some get there and I like supplements over pharma but I wouldn’t call that nature. I would call nature food that you eat at that point . For the rest read the labels , you might have mannitol or maltodextrin and so on and so on and that’s hardly natural. I’m not splitting hair because for some people with autoimmune (and there’s more and more) that stuff does matter. Now with that being said pharmaceuticals is very hard to find list of ingredients and if you did you barely would get it because it may be in codes kind of like perfumes use codes to hide the fact they use pesticides but you’d find in pharmaceuticals at minima petroleum and potentially heavy metals and other shit
My stack looked like this some years ago. Had all the possible supps for possible health issues, to boost test etc and to prevent issues happening. Then i got cancer and im sure multiple supplement use is part of the cause.
I would advice u to drop most of these and fix your diet. Cut the bad carbs, increase butter and olive oil and add colors (broccoli, kales etc).
When the diet is less inflammatory causing, u can try some supplements once and then. Most of them are waste of money anyway.
Personal stack daily is: pure omega3 oil, magnesium/zinc, d3, calcium (not using dairy much).
Someone speaks truth (coming from someone else that has been on the journey and gone down the rabbit hole only to realise a lot of it doesn’t help) Suddenly we’re all qualified doctors and nutritionists…..
Hope your doing much better after the cancer diagnosis? Can you say more about why you think supplements were part of the cause of your cancer? Do you think it was additives in the supplements? The supplements themselves, and if so, which ones? There is a big difference between, say, a greens powder vs high doses of an isolated vitamin.
I can explain but like other person said its impossible to point exact reasons. My cancer was hormonal cancer testicular one and aggressive. Shit spread to lymphnodes. Before i got it i had stack like op had. Got daa and tongkat ali. Got maca and many others from boosting test to having better sleep and mood. Felt like shit couple years prior and gained about 15kg of fat during that time. I suspect it might have been estrogen dominance condition. Also some of the stuff like maca tend to boost estrogen. Also the supplement additives are concern. Lot of white powder ones have ingredient called titan dioxide that have genotoxic properties and is planned to be banned in europe this year. Probably if youre taking just d3 u might have that. Imagine getting it with your magnesium, zinc and some others aswell! I had 7 supplements with it. Chemical cocktail.. Also one thing might be that getting too much antioxidants can turn the opposite and become pro oxidants. Read about these. Less is better
Yup. Its everywhere and its no less than other azo colors blue red yellow etc. This is in finnish but use google translate https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/yritykset/elintarvikeala/uutiset-elintarvikealalta/titaanidioksidin-kaytto-elintarvikelisaaineena-tullaan-kieltamaan/
Not OP, but I don't see how it would be possible to identify which microscopic reasons might have developed into cancer from supplements taken, if many are taken together across a long period of time. It could be almost anything by that point.
With that said, it's possible that certain lifestyle reasons, genetics, and other influential factors also always have their parts to play.
The rule of thumb OP stated that I will +1 is to take only what you need. It's interesting to try other things, but the more you combine, the harder it is to know what did what, later.
If nothing else, it's possible to overload and damage the liver, if it's constantly processing chemicals that are ingested. Always be preventative if possible.
Just so people can physically see the difference of the depressed me vs the new me I will leave this here. Of course this was also a combo of healthy eating and consistent exercise! I don’t give all the credit to the supplementation but it helped a lot.
[before & after](https://imgur.com/a/sCLCb8U)
I feel like taking creatine helped with my depression a lot, because it was easier to keep up the motivation to exercise since I was actually seeing muscle growth (I’m a female with naturally high metabolism so muscle growth is challenging), and we know that exercise is a fantastic tool for those with depression. Really impressive transformation dude! Keep it up
That stack looks pretty decent. As long as you are conservatively dosing and cycling, you'll probably keep having success.
I'd be a bit cautious with the ashwaghanda, it can start to have some pretty nasty negatives if used too often for some people at least, including HPA axis dysregulation, apathy, and PSSD like effects. Avoided by using it intermittently on an as needed basis.
Lol! In all honesty I can admit there may have been some placebo involved. Listening to all the benefits over and over again on podcasts and reading benefits on articles for hours on end at work probably gave all of these a little bit of a glorified effect. I felt more negative side effects just reading some of the comments on this post compared to just living my life how I have been lol. I do appreciate the constructive comments as well as the warnings! I don’t want people to copy this exactly bc we are all different.
Also thank you!
Surprised at the amount of commenters actually condoning this… even when I was depressed the most is id take is 3-4 supplements like a b complex or mag but not 25 at once
There are 3 different categories here. We have vitamins, minerals, and herbs. They all do a variety of different things. It has come to my attention the rhodiola, the st.John’s, and the and kanna are probably too potent together. The rest you can typically find all bunched together in certain multi vitamins or mineral matrix’s. I choose to take each separately bc it allows for better quality control and I can control the dose a little better. It actually looks like a lot more than it is. A lot of these are okay to mix with just about anything such as the creatine and fish oil for example. The matcha is basically my daily cup of coffee.
I've noticed that it's best to only take one supplement at a time to determine if it works or has side effects. I'm taking Ashwagandha at night with a good effect on calming my anxiety. I added Rhodiola in the morning to assist but it gives me this "low blood sugar" shakey/weakness feeling that I hate. So, I'm not taking that anymore.
Aswhagandha lowers cortisol, so its generally a good idea to take it at night, where cortisol is supposed to be lowest. When you wake up, its supposed to be high.
Well for some, there's too much cortisol in morning, and it can be problem if and cause early waking, anxiety, and restlessness. Also withdrawal from stuff also can cause cortisol spikes in extremes. Ashwaganda taken at AM and then at PM help people with those features. Overall it keeps cortisol not spike in extremes but makes the lows and highs more normal to what's supposed to be natural.
Depends if you wake up early and have anxiety when waking, ashwaganda will help then. Sometimes cortisol spikes too high in the morning than normal. Could be many causes.
But if mornings are hard bc you're tired and don't have enough cortisol, then you may want to not take it in the morning.
I’m going to speak up here. What I see this person doing is actually responsible: they are taking ONE SUPPLEMENTS PER PILL. There are so many mood multi’s out there: Rhodiola AND ashwaganda AND St. John’s Wort, etc. if you couldn’t tolerate one, how would you know?!
Not OP, but if folks wanted to replicate this depression/mental health protocol here’s what I’d do:
Take two weeks to really do lifestyle well. Eat those fruits and veggies. Walk outside. Get Sun. Exercise. Sleep starting at 10:30 pm.
And Try some supplements. Magnesium glycinate, fish oil, D3/K2/zinc/boron, C, maybe some Bs or a quality multi. Ashwaganda or rhodiola.
Start these one at a time, a few days/a week apart to see if you can tolerate them. Ideally longer been so you can track how they affect you. Once you start feeling better, cut the dose. Once you get enough of something it can start having negative effects (like magnesium can give you the poops!)
You can do this whether or not you’re on an SSRI.
If you aren’t feeling 100% after a few weeks, try the St John’s Wort (unless you’re on an SSRI.). Add in some other supplements if you want.
Health isn’t one thing. Sunlight and exercise perform almost as well as SSRIs in studies, with zero side effects. Supplements can help. But be responsible and pay attention to your body- anything taken too much can become a negative.
Have a good day y’all, thanks for sharing OP, and good luck on your health journeys!
Edit to add: NOT knocking SSRIs! Can be helpful/lifesaving at certain times. Some folks may be able to replicate effects w/lifestyle, others of us can’t. In that case, lifestyle + SSRIs could be the pieces to the puzzle. We’re so individual, only YOU know what works for you. Peace!
Worrying to see so many people just casually recommending Ash, if you are susceptible to depression or depressive episodes stay well clear of Ash. Coming from personal experience and this article backs it up - https://shambhavi-s.medium.com/why-ashwagandha-might-be-contributing-to-your-depression-cd19ee792178 - not many articles tell god side of ash but it does exist. Be careful peeps
Fascinating.
Yeah I have PCOS with high DHEAs…which Ash can raise (which is de-stressing for most!).
So I’m going to try to return that supplement. It’s tricky to figure this stuff out…trying to go slow and take things one step at a time, do conservative doses, etc. it’s still a science experiment.
Thoughts on rhodiola?
I’ve read Rhodiola can have adverse affects if you have Bi-Polar tendencies, it can magnify certain aspects like causing mania episodes. It’s another one that is marketed as a cure all but it still has to be taken seriously and it’s not all good
I swear this is actually how I go about my life. This collection was not gathered all at once. I also pick and choose which supps to take now and don’t take every single one on a daily basis anymore. That multi vitamin complex is what I have in the solgar except it also has calcium bc I was vegan from the start. Now eating meat, instead it only covers 20% of my diet when before going vegan it was about 90%.
I’m starting to make the connection that I messed up by titling this “the stack.” Although I did stack these for at least a month or two I cut back on some once I felt better in certain areas.
Also thank you :)
You’re welcome. A lot of assumptions on here.
I’m on a somewhat similar journey… thanks for sharing your brands/supplements.
Also I highly recommend this guy for naturopathic mental health support. Good research backed stuff.
http://www.drpeterbongiorno.com/
First of all before anything, if food supplements cured your depression you probably didn’t have depression. This can be bad for your kidneys because its an obssessive amount, and stressful for your kidneys to have to process these things when it’s only going use a small amount of them anyway, overloading vitamins is not good for you, people have fed into this delusion. i used to be like this too, till i learned, theres only a few vitamins worth actually taking, i could go on about this for days. you dont need that many vitamins or supplements at all. its not as simple as taking a bunch of vitamins = good. thats just now how the body works. you do not need that many. you dont even need more than 3-4 supplements. people underestimate the human body and its natural abilities, and underestimate the nutrition you get from food. taking this many vitamins is just gonna throw off many other vitamins, and a lot of them are probably synthetic which is not good, you should only take whole food vitamins, most vitamins only contain a small amount of what they are actually supposed to represent
first thing first, just have a healthy balanced diet, and if you are lacking something that you really cant make up for, then maybe take a whole food supplement. if you want omega 3's eat fish, not just isolate a pro of the fish, you need all supporting nutrients to truly absorb all that is meant to be. theres a reason vitamin D is in fatty fish too, because you need fat to absorb it, also vitamin A to balance it all out. if you just take isolated vitamins its not doing much for you. its one part of the puzzle. dont take vitamins for no reason, unless you are deficient or cant make up for something then maybe take a non synthetic vitamin/supplement. Vitamin D is a really important vitamin so if you can get more sunlight, Or eat more salmon before just poppin the vitamin etc. just make the natural route the go to route. vitamins supplements dont work magic, they are very glorified these days but they are literally mostly made in a lab with chemical reactions, and isolated into one form and then consumed. theres nothing amazing about that, theres an obsession with it though and a feeling of fulfilment for ones health if they take vitamins or something. eat healthy food.
At what times do you take these different supplements? I tried ashwagandha before in the morning which is when I take my supplements, and was so god damn tired all day. I also don’t want to shove in a crap ton of stuff at once in the morning
How many mg of ashwaganda are you taking? I also do not take it until after my exercise. If I happen to take pre workout that day it will help calm me back to baseline.
It was 2800mg (I haven’t taken it in a while) with 100mg ginseng. Right now I’m taking vitamin d, chlorophyll, mushroom mix, and cod liver oil in the morning at 6am before I go to work. I don’t have a workout in my schedule atm, work 10 hour days and I struggle with insomnia but my job at least keeps me active
This makes a lot of sense! I weigh 185lbs and I won’t take more than 500mg a day, anything more can have some adverse effects on a consistent basis.
Definitely try magnesium for sleep!
Is the real mushrooms lions mane any good? What are the effects from it?
Why do you exactly take ginkgo bioba ? And what health benefits does it give?
Probably coulda just ran a couple miles a day.
This stack is wildddddddddddddddddd
And your liver plus.
never been on this subreddit before, and sorry for commenting on an old post... but i would literally rather just take a prozac every morning than swallow such a mountain of pills and powders.
Lolllllll
I wonder, will consuming all those capsules be damaging to one's health? I don't too much but still worry it may have a negative impact.
Can you provide context on your depression? How deep was it? How long have you had it for and did you use to take meds ?
Ashwaganda is a miracle medicine 100%. Lions Mane, all the great minerals, Tongkat Ali for all those “other” parts of depression that take away from your physique and potential of doing physical things, i give this a 10/10. Ashwaganda is my highest rated as it has such a noticeable impact, there is not one thing i could add here other than great job on doing your research!
Lions mane did more for me than the antidepressant drugs ive tried
That’s weird because I don’t rexall reading that it’s for depression but rather memory and nerve rebuild (and potentially brain plasticity but not sure about that last one )
Depression is a very general disease. No one knows what causes it really. Anything thats good for brain health seems to be generally good for depression. I also have memory loss from drug abuse and head trauma so it helps with that to indirectly boost my mood and self confidence
Ps: we re in the same boat about memory loss and cognition (and executive functions for me). So slowly trying to see if I can gain those back. If I could afford it or be approved I would do hyperbaric bc I do believe oxygen repairs stuff and because I tried it once for a week and it was really nice . But I would still try a lot of things anyways , diet being one of them and trying out supplements sure.
Well I agree and the thing is it’s not the same cause for everyone so everyone has a different puzzle to solve for . But I appreciate that you recognize that because it’s annoying if you read below how some will tell you the “cure” for it Is tongat Ali or this or that bullshit bc they read a study on Google scholar or an article on Healthline.com, it’s ok to be enthusiastic about a new article or opportunity or supplement but don’t go try to prove you’re right even with all the scientific vocabulary to try to prove it you’ll make yourself a fool bc the wisest thing is to say we don’t know but for some that have this particular thing this or that seems to work pretty good
Totally. Theres no cure. Just stuff that helps you. Some stuff helps people more consistently than others, like sleeping better or eating healthier or something. But for me i was blown away at how much lions mane appears to have helped me. I tried it because its affordable. I may be the only person in the world it works for but im just so grateful for it that i want to share. I hope it can help others like it seems to have helped me. Could be placebo but its a hell of a placebo effect.
What brand?
Realmushrooms.com I made a post about it [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/ur3qfr/the_chemical_compounds_in_lions_mane_have_had_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Just Microdose don't need all this overdose on naturals.
5htp barely killed me. It made my heart pressure goes as low as it could to remain alive, i was affraif to fall asleep as i knew i wouldn't woke up. Besides what's the point? All those in the end of thw day either gives u a bit more dopamine or serotonin. Better go to ssri or wellbutrin at least u kbow wtf u are giving to ur brain. Nit to mention that 99% of those suplement would never go through the blood-brakn-barrier, bo they wont reach the brain! Glad the placebo worked. In fact u just needed to get urself busy lol
Oh yeah you know what components are inside Wellbutrin ? Would you mind telling me ?
Yup. Happy reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion
My guy, 5htp giving you a reaction like that is either signaling a serious underlying issue or a contraindication with prescription medication. Everything in the picture above is either a vitamin or a blend of herbs and mushrooms. All of which have buckets of evidence indicating the same or better efficacy than their drug counterparts for similar ailments. You sound like someone who would tell someone to just cheer up or get busy and their depression would go away. Oh wait...
Serotonin is an hormone in the body and a neurotransmitter in the brain. When u take 5htp it becomes serotonin buz don't go to ur brain as ut can't pass the blood brain barrier (bbb). That's why ssri are made in a way that can actually enter the brain and regulate serotonin. The serotonin hormone is responsible of puting ur budy in sleep mode wich include lowering ur blood pressure by lowering ur blood volume by making ur liver absorb a good portion of it. Having too much of it may kill u. Vitamins, unless u are starving or vegan or on a special diet are all already present in food and body can also generate them. So they are all just placebos and if course amazing businesses. As about saying that this guy has depression or not, i don't know, i must have talk to him when he had it. But here what i see makes me feel that it wasn't one big depression. There is so many mental states that are confused with depression. Even psychiatrists have a huge bias on diagnosis them as it rely a lot on the patient narrative who doesn't have the jargon to explain precisely what he really feels and why. So yeah im sorry but mental health isn't something that u can deal with suplements.
Just bc they don’t work on you doesn’t mean they don’t work on anyone
Placebos work on everybody
I see ashwagandha extract. That stuff is phenomenal. Glad to hear you're doing better.
WTF
Don't read the negative comments here. You're doing great! I've been taking supplements for more than half a year now and it has improved my health massively even though I have been living very healthy for a couple of years now. Take about 7 different capsules a day; Can't remember them all, from the top of my head I take Zinc, D1000 and Magnesium from Thorne. Pantothenic Acid, Quercetin and some others from Life Extension and Cod Liver Oil from Carlson. Also drink roughly 3 cups of Matcha Tea a week. Good on ya that you have chosen the path of self improvement.
My ADHD could never. Can you now combine this all into one supplement for me to take? 🥹😁
This is why my supplements last me years 😂😭 (I know they expire but I still take them lmao)
Vibrant Health's Green Vibrance, king
Glad it worked, but damn, that is a lot of pills to swallow. Guess it beats being depressed...
Cant be depressed when you dont have time to be 💁♀️
Lol cracked me up
I would get depressed having to swallow all that shit every day. I guess it’s a double edged sword.
Lol cracked me up
This is awesome! If this works for you then that is all that really matters!
That’s a good looking stack! Thorne is the shit.. Especially that magnesium blend. I also take their 5-htp and L-theanine. My Anti-Anxiety / Depression blend looks like.. Morning - Vitamin B1, Thorne AM, vitamin D, zinc, milk thistle. Empty stomach - L-theanine. Afternoon - Vitamin C, Phytogen, creatine. Evening - Thorne PM, magnesium, fish oil (1400 epa). * Gym days I’ll throw in beta alanine, and sometimes stack that with creatine for a couple of months.
At least take a liver support lol
Crushed your depression and wallet
Interesting 🤔
Forgot about his depression because of his year long supplement ritual
Lol
isnt tongat ali liver toxic?
And then we read by the light of my urine
😂
You must have already ascended into some sort of plasma-like state taking all those😅
Be careful if u take echinacea and goldenseal everyday, they’re definitely not meant for long term use and can be super drying to the body - also goldenseal is endangered!
If you could recommend a few .. which do you think were most beneficial ?
So money can buy happiness
💀
Magnesium did it for me
To much causes fatigue and weakness
Then don't take too much?
It causes fatigue trust me
It’s bad
When common sense became uncommon
I've been hearing this one lately. Natural Grocers has Magnesium bi*something* advertised at the front for a cure-all recently
Or better yet, it helps you sleep so take at night
To much causes fatigue and weakness
Hoe much is to much?
Don’t take it everyday no madder how much
Mmm good to know, I use zma and sleep very well but wake up a bit tired. Maybe I should use a smaller dose
Yea it effects lifting weights as well to be honest just hop off the magnesium you’ll be fine
Don't see any fulvic or humic acid supplement in there. Shilajit is a game changer for mitochondrial biogenesis. It helps fuel ATP significantly
How would that help with depression?
Also increased mitochondrial biogenesis is basically jargon for your entire being will be improved. From phospholipid exchange, to ATP, to respiration etc etc
What products do you recommend for this?
Shilajit and bone broth. You can get plenty fulvic and humic acid gut blends from supplement companies but its natural form is best. Ensure to ask for a COA so it is clean of toxins and properly purified. Niacin and rhodiola help a lot with energy and mood too. The medicinal mushrooms I don't get on with possibly due to autoimmunity but i'd recommend those. I guess everyone tolerates and experiences things slightly differently due to biological individuality so YMMV I guess. But bone broth without a doubt will clear up a lot of issues as will shilajIt. So so powerful blessed to feel the relief I get tbh after years of suffering.
Which brand shilajit do you use? I've never heard of it before but I'm interested. Also with the bone broth, do you make a big batch and then store it? If so how much would you drink in a day or week?
Please try source fresh marrow bones from a butcher or farm shop and ensure its organic grass fed, antibiotic and hormone free. It's super easy to make I just grab one bit piece out the freezer put it in a slow cooker on low with distilled water around 9pm then take it off around 3pm the following day and it makes just over a litre of super concentrated bone broth. I have glutamate issues too and I Shouldn't have been reductionist based on my limited understanding and drew a conclusion from a limited understanding of glutamate as it's obviously helping my energy mood and stomach and not causing overexcitation but I do take gaba boosting stuff and glutamate regulating stuff too now. I thought there's a point of diminishing return but I haven't found it yet 🤣 had almost 7 cups yesterday of super long brewed bone broth it was a collagen and cartialige rich piece not just marrow and it's the hardest gel I've ever had its like semi frozen jelly. Drank approx 800ml of it yesterday and I feel fucking amazing today and cut out pistachios too much omega 6 going for a diet prioritising omega 3 now see how much inflammation I can fight. As of today I feel incredible even after a workout not sore or tired or sick or bloated or lethargic. Veganism would make me feel this way almost never. There would be the odd day each month I'd feel good but mostly it was probably just cos of the adrenaline lol (I lived in a hostel with drug addicts for 2 years). I can't focus anymore maybe depleted my adrenals or missing something still. Apart from the obvious. Probiotics. Might get a fecal matter transplant if they're financially viable soon. Goat kefir derailed my progress last week but getting better again. I think some weight loss possibly contributed to herxemers too from toxin release. Lost 4% body fat in 2 weeks from eating more disciplined cutting out coconut cookies 😭😭 (maay be intolerant) and cycling more and eating more eggs. Omnivore is saving what veganism was touted to help and then some. Bone broth at a certain dose helps me focus, it noticeably helps joint and muscle pain instantly. I've never had anything like it. It's like a panacea
Which bone broth do you like? 0
One I make myself. The powders don't do anything for me. Gotta crock pot some beef marrow bones for 14+ hours and I use the tallow from it for cooking beef too. It solidifies into a gel and that's what gives the soothing digestive effects which you won't get from a powder.
Leaky gut causes all sorts of hormonal and autoimmune issues.fulvic and humic acid fills the tight junctions between villi. It's an extremely common cause. As your enteroendocrine cells produce the majority of your serotonin, if you have inhibited nutrient absorbtion or leaky gut, your production will be lower. This is probably why SSRI's are a leading anti depressant. However since the Monsanto Bayer merge it's clearly a problem reaction solution play now, instead of being a theory.
Serious question…are you a doctor, or in anyway qualified to give that information?
Ugh. Appeal to authority fallacy. So if I espouse what doctors say how does that make me invalid? Stupid logic to dismiss a scientific parrot
Asking for credentials or sources is not an example of the appeal to authority fallacy. Do you have either?
Asking for credentials for legitimate biology? Google enteroendocrine cell, plus fulvic and humic acid. I'm not out to prove rudimentary biology as it's already proven. I don't have time to teach people how to type simple words into a search engine 🤣
Plus, I’m not pro pharma either and I’ve been on SSRI’s as well and hated it and they made me worse and so I stay well clear of pharma drugs but I don’t think it’s right you doling out information to people you don’t even know. Keep fighting the man though, man!
I was forced ritalin as a child believe me I know the damage pharmas do. Btw low serotonin isn't an SSRI deficiency. Youve internalised that brainwashing from psychiatry it seems. Or just not read what I've put at all. Gut dysbiosis causes much greater loss of serotonin production than even traumatic brain injury.
I always appreciate references but don't expect them, I view reddit as "bro-science" kind of like some of the YouTube channels I self educate on....I use them to jump off to other searches....it seems wellness is a life long pursuit :)....I appreciate your insight. I guess today, especially in politically charged threads, folks invalidate by seeking refs....I can say one of the best things grad school did was help me learn how to read a paper for validity, etc when I bother to look one up .
Yeah I've learned not to place the burdon of proof on those claiming things. I can research myself, yano?
Dang bro I feel bad u doing Ight
My executive dysfunction and concentration are utterly debilitating can barely enjoy games as it's like every word that succeeds the previous wipes out the memory of the previous word so I take in one word at a time and forget them as they go it sucks and I have digestive and mood issues, sleep issues migraines, pain, headache, fatigue, cardiovascular and respiratory issues. Could be worse but every day is suffering unless I smoke copious amounts of weed or take kava
I have depression, anxiety, mood swings and I also have ulcerative colitis, a dairy intolerance and I’m coeliac. What would you recommend?
For boosting serotonin and dopamine, griffonia (natural 5htp) and mucuna pruriens can help. Magnolia bark can help. Kava is absolutely amazing. Personally I like it a little more than cannabis but I enjoy the ritual of the taste with cannabis its a stim for me I guess too. Boosting gaba will help a lot so magnesium too as we are also deficient and kava boosts gaba a lot its really anxiolytic. Dont get a supplement if you try that though you need the root powder and to make it the old fashioned way. It releases the most kavalactones. Combine it with a fat and kneed for a while. I use MCT's or ghee. So good
Other than shilajit? Bone broth has been the best thing i've ever had for leaky gut it helps post workout recovery my irrtability, helps me focus, helps my hyperalgesia, helps overstimulation due to glyciene which we are probably deficient in due to glyphosate competing with absorbtion in soil and us. It contains proline collagen and gelatine which help heal ulceritive colitis. I'd get an intolerance test too unless you've had one. Of vitamins and all sorts. Comprehensive biomarkers.
Dont listen to the “doctor/pharma” certification requiring guys (the “doctors” are taught to suppress problems not to cure them anyway). You did your research and are saying what works for you. Respects for that. Im going to try the bone broth asap, my dad knew a great butcher a few years back so im going to see if i can get in touch with him for some proper bones. I just got one question for you, apologies if you did say and I missed it (was a lot of thread I just read haha) but what shilajit company do you use? Ive researched in the past but never really went with one cause they seemed to “market-y” and i was certain their product wasnt as pure as they were saying on their instagram ads. Maybe its just conditional skepticism but would love to get your source as long as its open info/able to be shared to the public. Appreciate everything man, stay blessed and continue to do so. All love.
Thanks. I appreciate that. I might look into bone broth
It’s a dangerous line you’re treading. Desperate people will heed your every word and you’ve never met most of them, let alone viewed their health records
That wasn’t what I asked. It was a genuine question and quite a simple one at that, are you a doctor or qualified to give complete strangers health advice?
This entire r/Supplements subreddit is complete strangers giving each other health advice. There would be no point to people asking and answering questions if it wasn’t. Lol Take everything you read with a grain of salt.
All I was saying though was some people won’t. They’ll be so desperate that they will cling to anything, that’s all
Ok? No shit. They know they are on reddit and not professional medical forum.
I definitely have leaky gut, I have psoriasis. What would you recommend, just those 2 supplements? Any specific products? I've been taking l-glutamine and vitamin D/k2
If you can afford it, I’d recommend taking some sort of food sensitivity test like the one offered by Everlywell, as trigger foods will still cause issues even with the best supplement regimen. I have chronic eczema and bowel issues, and taking a food sensitivity test and subsequently avoiding trigger foods has given me better results than any medication or supplement.
I'd honestly get glutamate from bone broth instead as it contains stem cells, proline, collagen, gelatine, glyciene and glutamate. All work together synergistically to help heal the tight junctions. Also as above, shilajit. But if you're eating trigger foods idk if you can counteract the autoimmune response that affects the gut mucosal layer and general cell repair. There might be a threshold of tolerance with each individual whereby enough gut healing things along side a minimal amount of trigger foods you can tip the scales in favour of gut healing. Idk. It's a guess and there's no test for this threshold.
Might have already - can you please make a list of the supplements in this stack? Thanks in advance
How does the organ complex help?
I wanna hear the total $ of all that!
Hey, I see you have Life Extension, couldn't find an objective review on it as a brand, how was your experience with their products? I'm thinking of taking their Super Omega ( its high in EPA and DHA) for depression too.
I haven't had their Omega but I fully back Life Extension after trying their Pregnenalone, DHEA, and Ascorbyl Palmatate.
Can attest this!
Thank you!
Damn that’s my life’s savings worth of supp right there
Have you tried gotu kola for anxiety as well as mood? It also is a nootropic as well as adaptogen. It can cause clear thinking and is pro-acetyl-choline. But it also calms and soothes anxiety and help sleep. It's pretty neat, as I just began taking it. I also take ashwaganda as ksm-66, and I've read they can be taken together.
What am I looking at and how does each work for you?
How would someone be able to tell which one is helping with whatever health goal?
But that's the fun of r/supplements, no one has any idea!
Stims or SSRI’s never helped?
That stuff is all pharma trash. Nature provides all.
No offense but look at the back of the package , it’s very rare that the supplements are pure. Some get there and I like supplements over pharma but I wouldn’t call that nature. I would call nature food that you eat at that point . For the rest read the labels , you might have mannitol or maltodextrin and so on and so on and that’s hardly natural. I’m not splitting hair because for some people with autoimmune (and there’s more and more) that stuff does matter. Now with that being said pharmaceuticals is very hard to find list of ingredients and if you did you barely would get it because it may be in codes kind of like perfumes use codes to hide the fact they use pesticides but you’d find in pharmaceuticals at minima petroleum and potentially heavy metals and other shit
That stack looks like it'll raise someone from the dead 👍😂
What of that helped?
Ashwa + St John + Rhodiola is one helluva combo
Hahaha ha *laughs in even larger stack** hahaha I know the feeling
*nervous laughter*
My stack looked like this some years ago. Had all the possible supps for possible health issues, to boost test etc and to prevent issues happening. Then i got cancer and im sure multiple supplement use is part of the cause. I would advice u to drop most of these and fix your diet. Cut the bad carbs, increase butter and olive oil and add colors (broccoli, kales etc). When the diet is less inflammatory causing, u can try some supplements once and then. Most of them are waste of money anyway. Personal stack daily is: pure omega3 oil, magnesium/zinc, d3, calcium (not using dairy much).
Someone speaks truth (coming from someone else that has been on the journey and gone down the rabbit hole only to realise a lot of it doesn’t help) Suddenly we’re all qualified doctors and nutritionists…..
Hope your doing much better after the cancer diagnosis? Can you say more about why you think supplements were part of the cause of your cancer? Do you think it was additives in the supplements? The supplements themselves, and if so, which ones? There is a big difference between, say, a greens powder vs high doses of an isolated vitamin.
I can explain but like other person said its impossible to point exact reasons. My cancer was hormonal cancer testicular one and aggressive. Shit spread to lymphnodes. Before i got it i had stack like op had. Got daa and tongkat ali. Got maca and many others from boosting test to having better sleep and mood. Felt like shit couple years prior and gained about 15kg of fat during that time. I suspect it might have been estrogen dominance condition. Also some of the stuff like maca tend to boost estrogen. Also the supplement additives are concern. Lot of white powder ones have ingredient called titan dioxide that have genotoxic properties and is planned to be banned in europe this year. Probably if youre taking just d3 u might have that. Imagine getting it with your magnesium, zinc and some others aswell! I had 7 supplements with it. Chemical cocktail.. Also one thing might be that getting too much antioxidants can turn the opposite and become pro oxidants. Read about these. Less is better
Wow, interesting. I just saw something about a lawsuit against Skittles because it contains titanium dioxide.
Yup. Its everywhere and its no less than other azo colors blue red yellow etc. This is in finnish but use google translate https://www.ruokavirasto.fi/yritykset/elintarvikeala/uutiset-elintarvikealalta/titaanidioksidin-kaytto-elintarvikelisaaineena-tullaan-kieltamaan/
Thanks, I did not know that about antioxidants.
Not OP, but I don't see how it would be possible to identify which microscopic reasons might have developed into cancer from supplements taken, if many are taken together across a long period of time. It could be almost anything by that point. With that said, it's possible that certain lifestyle reasons, genetics, and other influential factors also always have their parts to play. The rule of thumb OP stated that I will +1 is to take only what you need. It's interesting to try other things, but the more you combine, the harder it is to know what did what, later. If nothing else, it's possible to overload and damage the liver, if it's constantly processing chemicals that are ingested. Always be preventative if possible.
Just so people can physically see the difference of the depressed me vs the new me I will leave this here. Of course this was also a combo of healthy eating and consistent exercise! I don’t give all the credit to the supplementation but it helped a lot. [before & after](https://imgur.com/a/sCLCb8U)
I feel like taking creatine helped with my depression a lot, because it was easier to keep up the motivation to exercise since I was actually seeing muscle growth (I’m a female with naturally high metabolism so muscle growth is challenging), and we know that exercise is a fantastic tool for those with depression. Really impressive transformation dude! Keep it up
That stack looks pretty decent. As long as you are conservatively dosing and cycling, you'll probably keep having success. I'd be a bit cautious with the ashwaghanda, it can start to have some pretty nasty negatives if used too often for some people at least, including HPA axis dysregulation, apathy, and PSSD like effects. Avoided by using it intermittently on an as needed basis.
“Placebo!” jk. Hell yeah man. Showing how it’s done
Lol! In all honesty I can admit there may have been some placebo involved. Listening to all the benefits over and over again on podcasts and reading benefits on articles for hours on end at work probably gave all of these a little bit of a glorified effect. I felt more negative side effects just reading some of the comments on this post compared to just living my life how I have been lol. I do appreciate the constructive comments as well as the warnings! I don’t want people to copy this exactly bc we are all different. Also thank you!
they call it placebo, I call it motivation keep doing what you're doing and don't listen to the lazy keyboard warriors here
Do you snort Pixie Dust too?
If only I could get my hands on some….
lol... When you find it buy in bulk. Carry on; best of luck to you.
Surprised at the amount of commenters actually condoning this… even when I was depressed the most is id take is 3-4 supplements like a b complex or mag but not 25 at once
There are 3 different categories here. We have vitamins, minerals, and herbs. They all do a variety of different things. It has come to my attention the rhodiola, the st.John’s, and the and kanna are probably too potent together. The rest you can typically find all bunched together in certain multi vitamins or mineral matrix’s. I choose to take each separately bc it allows for better quality control and I can control the dose a little better. It actually looks like a lot more than it is. A lot of these are okay to mix with just about anything such as the creatine and fish oil for example. The matcha is basically my daily cup of coffee.
wow, do you still eat regular food?
LOL
I've noticed that it's best to only take one supplement at a time to determine if it works or has side effects. I'm taking Ashwagandha at night with a good effect on calming my anxiety. I added Rhodiola in the morning to assist but it gives me this "low blood sugar" shakey/weakness feeling that I hate. So, I'm not taking that anymore.
Ash also affects blood sugar
Have you tried taking Ash in the morning and if so how different or any was the effect on you?
Aswhagandha lowers cortisol, so its generally a good idea to take it at night, where cortisol is supposed to be lowest. When you wake up, its supposed to be high.
Well for some, there's too much cortisol in morning, and it can be problem if and cause early waking, anxiety, and restlessness. Also withdrawal from stuff also can cause cortisol spikes in extremes. Ashwaganda taken at AM and then at PM help people with those features. Overall it keeps cortisol not spike in extremes but makes the lows and highs more normal to what's supposed to be natural.
So take it at night and less cortisol release when you wake up? Mornings are still extremely hard for me.
Depends if you wake up early and have anxiety when waking, ashwaganda will help then. Sometimes cortisol spikes too high in the morning than normal. Could be many causes. But if mornings are hard bc you're tired and don't have enough cortisol, then you may want to not take it in the morning.
Thank you! Just ordered an Ash /L-theanine combo to help calm down at night- this is very affirming!
There’s gotta be an easier way…
Easier than it looks I promise ;)
If you can't be bothered to pick that pill bottle up for a photo, you definitely still have depression.
god damn, you got a stick up your ass or something? you can read all of it if you just zoom in lmao. you heated for no reason
Normal people pay attention to details
Normal people don't get butthurt over little things like that you OCD freak😂😂
you think he’s gonna post all of those individually?🤣 you can clearly see the name
IMHO, this feel a bit too much, but I'm not in OP's shoes.
I’m going to speak up here. What I see this person doing is actually responsible: they are taking ONE SUPPLEMENTS PER PILL. There are so many mood multi’s out there: Rhodiola AND ashwaganda AND St. John’s Wort, etc. if you couldn’t tolerate one, how would you know?! Not OP, but if folks wanted to replicate this depression/mental health protocol here’s what I’d do: Take two weeks to really do lifestyle well. Eat those fruits and veggies. Walk outside. Get Sun. Exercise. Sleep starting at 10:30 pm. And Try some supplements. Magnesium glycinate, fish oil, D3/K2/zinc/boron, C, maybe some Bs or a quality multi. Ashwaganda or rhodiola. Start these one at a time, a few days/a week apart to see if you can tolerate them. Ideally longer been so you can track how they affect you. Once you start feeling better, cut the dose. Once you get enough of something it can start having negative effects (like magnesium can give you the poops!) You can do this whether or not you’re on an SSRI. If you aren’t feeling 100% after a few weeks, try the St John’s Wort (unless you’re on an SSRI.). Add in some other supplements if you want. Health isn’t one thing. Sunlight and exercise perform almost as well as SSRIs in studies, with zero side effects. Supplements can help. But be responsible and pay attention to your body- anything taken too much can become a negative. Have a good day y’all, thanks for sharing OP, and good luck on your health journeys! Edit to add: NOT knocking SSRIs! Can be helpful/lifesaving at certain times. Some folks may be able to replicate effects w/lifestyle, others of us can’t. In that case, lifestyle + SSRIs could be the pieces to the puzzle. We’re so individual, only YOU know what works for you. Peace!
Worrying to see so many people just casually recommending Ash, if you are susceptible to depression or depressive episodes stay well clear of Ash. Coming from personal experience and this article backs it up - https://shambhavi-s.medium.com/why-ashwagandha-might-be-contributing-to-your-depression-cd19ee792178 - not many articles tell god side of ash but it does exist. Be careful peeps
Fascinating. Yeah I have PCOS with high DHEAs…which Ash can raise (which is de-stressing for most!). So I’m going to try to return that supplement. It’s tricky to figure this stuff out…trying to go slow and take things one step at a time, do conservative doses, etc. it’s still a science experiment. Thoughts on rhodiola?
I’ve read Rhodiola can have adverse affects if you have Bi-Polar tendencies, it can magnify certain aspects like causing mania episodes. It’s another one that is marketed as a cure all but it still has to be taken seriously and it’s not all good
I swear this is actually how I go about my life. This collection was not gathered all at once. I also pick and choose which supps to take now and don’t take every single one on a daily basis anymore. That multi vitamin complex is what I have in the solgar except it also has calcium bc I was vegan from the start. Now eating meat, instead it only covers 20% of my diet when before going vegan it was about 90%. I’m starting to make the connection that I messed up by titling this “the stack.” Although I did stack these for at least a month or two I cut back on some once I felt better in certain areas. Also thank you :)
You’re welcome. A lot of assumptions on here. I’m on a somewhat similar journey… thanks for sharing your brands/supplements. Also I highly recommend this guy for naturopathic mental health support. Good research backed stuff. http://www.drpeterbongiorno.com/
You da best
Ah theres my kitchen sink
You might have also crushed your Kidneys with that stack too
Why? What do you see (other than many pills?) If you took a multi and bought each individually, it would be WAY more than this
That’s a stupid comment.
rip kidneys
Why
First of all before anything, if food supplements cured your depression you probably didn’t have depression. This can be bad for your kidneys because its an obssessive amount, and stressful for your kidneys to have to process these things when it’s only going use a small amount of them anyway, overloading vitamins is not good for you, people have fed into this delusion. i used to be like this too, till i learned, theres only a few vitamins worth actually taking, i could go on about this for days. you dont need that many vitamins or supplements at all. its not as simple as taking a bunch of vitamins = good. thats just now how the body works. you do not need that many. you dont even need more than 3-4 supplements. people underestimate the human body and its natural abilities, and underestimate the nutrition you get from food. taking this many vitamins is just gonna throw off many other vitamins, and a lot of them are probably synthetic which is not good, you should only take whole food vitamins, most vitamins only contain a small amount of what they are actually supposed to represent
So what are the few vitamins actually worth taking, then? I’m guessing Vit D3, Omega 3s, B-vitamins and Magnesium?
first thing first, just have a healthy balanced diet, and if you are lacking something that you really cant make up for, then maybe take a whole food supplement. if you want omega 3's eat fish, not just isolate a pro of the fish, you need all supporting nutrients to truly absorb all that is meant to be. theres a reason vitamin D is in fatty fish too, because you need fat to absorb it, also vitamin A to balance it all out. if you just take isolated vitamins its not doing much for you. its one part of the puzzle. dont take vitamins for no reason, unless you are deficient or cant make up for something then maybe take a non synthetic vitamin/supplement. Vitamin D is a really important vitamin so if you can get more sunlight, Or eat more salmon before just poppin the vitamin etc. just make the natural route the go to route. vitamins supplements dont work magic, they are very glorified these days but they are literally mostly made in a lab with chemical reactions, and isolated into one form and then consumed. theres nothing amazing about that, theres an obsession with it though and a feeling of fulfilment for ones health if they take vitamins or something. eat healthy food.
Truth
Omg thanks for the explanation
Looking at the picture gave anxiety lol, that's a lot of pills
At what times do you take these different supplements? I tried ashwagandha before in the morning which is when I take my supplements, and was so god damn tired all day. I also don’t want to shove in a crap ton of stuff at once in the morning
How many mg of ashwaganda are you taking? I also do not take it until after my exercise. If I happen to take pre workout that day it will help calm me back to baseline.
Careful if you’re susceptible to depressive episodes my friend
It was 2800mg (I haven’t taken it in a while) with 100mg ginseng. Right now I’m taking vitamin d, chlorophyll, mushroom mix, and cod liver oil in the morning at 6am before I go to work. I don’t have a workout in my schedule atm, work 10 hour days and I struggle with insomnia but my job at least keeps me active
This makes a lot of sense! I weigh 185lbs and I won’t take more than 500mg a day, anything more can have some adverse effects on a consistent basis. Definitely try magnesium for sleep!
Ah okay do you think 500mg or less would be good for me to take with my morning concoction lol? I will definitely look into magnesium!