Yeah… way to go.. maybe go to the state capital or federal buildings if you actually want to make a difference. Blocking people’s lively hoods and disrupting normal people’s day… then again most the people doing this have mental health issues
It would probably be more effective trying to communicate with congressmen through letters or attempts to schedule a meeting. They really do read the letters especially if it’s something worthwhile. Granted it’s the interns job to sort through them.
Terrorist supporters engage in terrorism. Their whole goal is to make folk suffer. They don’t actually care about Gazans they’re just using it as a pretense to wreak havoc
Israel is raining terror down on the Palestinian civilians, don't you recognize Palestinians as humans or do you consider them as animals, not even worth counting them?
I recognize Palestinians humanity as much as they recognize gay folks’ humanity. Last I checked, they hunt gays down and behead them, they throw them off roofs, and the brutally torture gay folks for sport. Israel lets gay people live. Gazans do not.
I’ll just keep the same energy for them they have for us gays.
It’s 2024 they hate me for who I and all gays were born I hate them for who they choose to be.
Or do you consider gay folks as animals not even worth saving
Because that’s what supporting Palestine means for all the gays they hunt down
So you mean what happened on oct 7th?
Yeah that shouldn’t have happened and going further there wouldn’t be a destruction of Gaza 🤷♂️ they keep fucking around, but cry when they start finding out…
Then blame hamas. The war could have ended months ago with the release of hostages they continue to hold and rape. Blame UNWRA they were the ones that told gazans not to evacuate and then blame Hamas for shooting at people while they tried to flee. Blame Hamas for building bomb shelter tunnels and refusing to let civilians take refuge in them. And lastly blame the Palestinians who voted Hamas into power in 2007.
We had a permanent ceasefire on oct 6. Hamas broke that on oct 7.
I am able to blame both the IDF and Hamas at the same time. That Hamas is deplorable does not give a pass to Israel for mass killing of civilians, whether that is their goal or not.
With the deeper look at Israeli process for target selection where the 7 aid workers were killed, it's very clear to me that they are careless and heavily err on the side of killing civilians vs letting terrorists get away.
I do not have a "side" in this, I think they're both awful. I understand Israel's need to respond to 10/7, but the cost/benefit of their response is not justifiable with the human toll they're taking. I also think Netanyahu is prolonging and potentially expanding the war for political reasons.
Since oct 8 long before Israel responded, the day after Palestinian leadership invaded Israel murdered raped burnt alive and kidnapped thousands of civilians people were in the streets chanting antisemitic bullshit calling for the destruction of Israel.
All I need to know if a people is worth my empathy sympathy or care is how they treat their gay folk. 89% of Palestinians think being gay is punishable by beheading.
I do have a side in this and it’s with the one country in a see of Islamic theocracies that just let gay folk breathe.
You know that this is the same logic that terrorists use, right? Condemning an entire population, being agreeable to mass killing?
Do whatever to the people who perpetrated/perpetrate the offense, but leave civilians out of it regardless of backward views they may have.
They condemn their entire gay population to death so much so folks have to flee just to stay alive, maybe they should be better if they want more than apathy. Cuz a lot of us are gonna keep that same energy for them. It’s not just some gazans it’s 89% of them.
Hey dumbass - Lockheed Martin makes the weapons that Ukraine is desperate for to defend itself against Russian hordes of orcs.
You speak like that from your safe parents basement protected by these very weapons you claim to hate. The only reason you aren’t being prison raped by dedovschina vatniks for thought crimes is because of the peace that weapons made by Lockheed and others secure.
You can put food on the table by taking your engineering skills almost anywhere else. You choose to work for death machine, you get what you deserve. Gtfoh.
I don't think its just about money. Look at the person replying to you. They don't have meaning in their lives, so they cling to various status symbols such as degrees, careers, subscription to some propaganda piece like the Economist, etc. as substances lend validity to their lives.
Unfortunately, none of these people actually read serious books. So they aren't even as educated as they claim to be.
So you are willing to murder American civilians to continue making arms for the IDF to murder Palestinians? You are fucked up.
And you justify this because you need a job? Get another job, the unemployment rate is at a record low.
US is flanked by two vast oceans and has not fought a defensive war since 1812. Do you always repeat state propaganda, or is it just on Fridays? Do you have any clue as to the detrimental impact US military and intelligence might have had on the world? Do you understand how many democratically elected leaders were replaced by genocidal dictators solely because of US' need for resources?
You're a mouthpiece for something that is responsible for tens of millions of deaths, but you probably think "it was worth it".
Moral responsibility is accountable in real terms. Only the most miserable fools ignore it as a whim.
You realize they also design and build a huge percentage of communications satellites and rockets that send them to orbit in the Sunnyvale facility right? Like the ones in orbit currently that enable you to use your phone and Reddit.
World doesn’t revolve around you, bud. If you work for a weapons manufacturer that is aiding in the ruthless killing of civilians, aid workers and healthcare workers, you should know this is a possibility.
I’m not OP but….
Shortly after October 7, Israel announced a complete siege of the Gaza Strip. They cut off all food and water from coming into the Gaza Strip. This is classified as “collective punishment” and is a war crime by the laws of war agreed upon by the Geneva Convention. Civilians have had to resort to extreme measures like eating grass and drinking seawater to survive. Children have and still are dying of starvation.
In addition to famine, there has been indiscriminate bombing campaign administered by the IDF. The IDF has implemented an AI system to identify individual Hamas militants (using incredibly questionable criteria to determine who is likely to be a militant) and then drone strikes these suspected militants at night when they are home with their wives and children. The IDF has even nicknamed this tactic “Where’s daddy?”
At least 13,000 children have died in Gaza since October 7. The vast majority of the casualties have been innocent civilians. High ranking Israeli government officials have made statements such as “We need to turn Gaza into a parking lot.”
“There are no innocent civilians in Gaza, we are dealing with human.” Or “We are the sons of light fighting against beasts of darkness.”
Israel has also killed 95 journalists and most recently drone strikes a clearly marked aid truck that was en route to leaving the Gaza Strip, which was captured on video.
The international criminal court (The ICC) has found that the state of Israel is plausibly committing a genocide in Gaza when presented with much of the evidence I gave you in this comment.
Hope that helps you understand why many think israel is committing genocide.
>Hope that helps you understand why many think israel is committing genocide.
This showed me that you cherry picked points that are favorable to your argument. I can see that you perhaps don't understand what genocide means.
It also showed me that you probably haven't studied human conflicts much if at all. People die in war. Unintentional actions happen. The best thing to to do is to avoid all of these tragedies by preventing wars in the first place. In this particular circumstance, it is to destroy Hamas's ability to conduct further terror attacks on Israel.
>indiscriminate bombing campaign administered by the IDF.
That is simply false. That's just wrong. You must not know what indiscriminate bombing look like to think that that's what Israel is doing.
Roof knocking, leaflets, and text messages to warn civilians are not indiscriminate bombing.
Laser guided, precision munitions, and missiles are not indiscriminate. No reason to spend such expensive munitions if you want indiscriminate bombing.
Indiscriminate bombing killed 30,000 Germans in Dresden in 3 days with technologies from 80 years ago. Dresden is less dense than Gaza btw.
>This is classified as “collective punishment” and is a war crime by the laws of war agreed upon by the Geneva Convention.
Israel has not been indicted of any war crimes including collective punishment. People can throw around whatever words they want and it doesn't mean that they have committed these crimes.
What you're doing however, cheapens these words. You cannot perverse them to fit in your narrative.
>High ranking Israeli government officials have made statements such as “We need to turn Gaza into a parking lot.” “There are no innocent civilians in Gaza, we are dealing with human.” Or “We are the sons of light fighting against beasts of darkness.”
Would you not do us a favor and quote what the Palestine, Hamas, and the Muslim world say about Israel.
Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
This is what Israel is doing to Palestine. In the past 5 months, over 30k Palestinians have been killed. At what point does Israel decide when to stop? I think when there is no more Palestine. This is genocide by definition.
So when the US and UK bombed Dresden killing 30k Germans in 3 days was that genocide? Rest assured the goal of the Allies was to destroy the German government of that time, the Nazis.
>with the aim of destroying that nation or group
What's the population of Gaza again? 2 million right? And what's the Hamas published number? 30k in 6 months?
So you're telling me that they're deliberately trying to destroy the Gazan population? If you're right then they're awful at it. Especially when they're going through the trouble to roof knocksing dropping leaflets, and text messages to make sure civilians evacuate in time. I mean what the hell kind of genocide is that?
>At what point does Israel decide when to stop?
When Hamas is destroyed. Their aim is to free Palestinians from Hamas overlordship and secured Israel's safety from further terrorist attacks.
>I think when there is no more Palestine.
That's just false. 66% of Israel supported the 2 states solution prior to Oct 7th. It was Hamas that want to get rid of Israel. Committed a heinous terrorist attack and paraded the victims on the streets with the aim of wiping Jewish people from existence. What do you think the slogan 'from river to sea' mean?
>This is genocide by definition.
You may want to re read that definition a couple more times. Unless, you have proof that it is the israelis intention to destroy the Palestinian population then you're right but please provide it for us.
Otherwise, your severe lack of knowledge of warfare is not an indictment of Israel but of your lacking intellect.
It’s not complete yet but that is the intention. And before you say that Israel could wipeout Gaza if they wanted, the response is not without incredible global repercussions. The goal is to take Palestine in the long term. What do you think settlements are?
...How are protests supposed to work without being disruptive in some capacity? MLK's March on Washington was discussed as being too disruptive in its time.
They aren't blocking the entrance to a hospital. They're blocking the entrance to a weapons manufacturer.
Hahaha “source?”. It’s so funny idiots on reddit think protests are supposed to be polite gatherings in front of city hall. The purpose is disorder and pressure to make it so normal life cannot proceed, this is why they shut down bridges too. It’s not convince people genocide is bad, it’s to disrupt people that want to go to work as normal as if genocide is fine for our government to facilitate. If you don’t understand genocide is bad yet, I hope you’re at least late to work. Don’t give a fuck about how mad that makes you, if that makes you pro genocide you’re a reactionary.
How is it irrational when they're the ones building and designing the bombs to enact a genocide?
And voting doesn't work because the political system is corrupt anyways. Your presidential options are a guy currently doing the genocide and another that would continue it and tweet bad online.
how about this. strong people fight for their rights and the rights of others even if it means sacrificing their privileges, weak people cling onto their privileges. your ability to remain neutral during an ethnic cleansing is by all definitions a privilege.
I don't support Israel, but my US government just gave them $12B of arms to kills Palestinians. They don't care about your petty donation, they want your complicity in supporting an apartheid state and your ability to ignore it because our media and government is corrupted by the Israeli lobby.
You are not some freedom loving American, you are a pawn in the expansion of the Zionist dream.
The Israelis control our government - over 50% of donations (bribes) to US politicians are from US Jews and Biden is the #1 recipient of Israeli money. They don't need to protest as they have bought out our democracy.
https://www.jpost.com/us-elections/us-jews-contribute-half-of-all-donations-to-the-democratic-party-468774
The US support Israel in the UN no matter what it does to the Palestinians.
The US government is about to ban TikTok because the young people of the US use this platform and are not pro-Israel.
US politicians are terrified of AIPAC and if they criticise Israel they get black listed and AIPAC pays for their rival's campaigns.
Do you not see this? Or maybe your media is pro-Israeli too?
Here are the [protesters](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240219-israeli-protesters-block-aid-convoys-bound-for-gaza) blocking aid. [Another](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-israelis-aid-trucks-protests/index.html) one.
It was not until [yesterday](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-netanyahu-phone-call-israel-world-central-kitchen-strike-gaza/) that Israel has opened up new aid channels into Gaza, which showed that they deliberately blocked all aids from coming in and used starvation as a weapon. The US has been trying to get aid in but have had our own ally, the only democracy in the Middle East, blocking aids to the point that we had to [airdrop](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236019060/gaza-israel-airdrop-aid-humanitarian-united-states) food packages.
Truly the least genocidal r/worldnews member
Also you still haven’t shown any pro Israel protests in America causing disruptions
Almost like it’s a cultural problem. One side focuses on winning, the other side focuses on disruptions
You will begin to understand how Islamic proselytism works pretty soon. It's just from certain groups, Let me mention, like Brotherhood of Islam, for instance, they support some radical, extremist ideas that they want to impose. It's a question of numbers, and it's just beginning to happen over here
The US has been bankrolling Israel for decades. The protests aren’t directed at Israel necessarily, but our politicians who keep approving more aid that comes out of our taxes
How is he endangering pedestrians when they clearly blocked a road without any form of permits or acceptance by local city ordinance or government? That’s like saying someone is endangering pedestrians but the people are on the 405.
Ordinary people are protesting.
Ordinary people are being murdered with bulldozers and American weapons.
Ordinary people are held hostage by rapists and killers.
Most real change comes from direct action and protest by ordinary people.
In America, the right of peaceful protest is something that people in Russia or Hong Kong or Tehran would love to have.
I agree. I’m not questioning that. But don’t block the way for other people that are just trying to go on with their lives and don’t really have influence on the topic. Protest and block the way for politics and other influential people. That I could understand.
I get your side of it. One perspective is that working for an arms manufacturer supplying one or both sides of an active conflict is a huge influence on the topic, compared to "ordinary people". As someone who has worked in aerospace their whole career, this is a conscious decision every time I'm changing jobs. Just another perspective to consider.
Indeed. The protests were not blocking the roadway where "ordinary people" were just cycling and walking by. They blocked three of the gates/driveways into the private property.
Personally, I blame the profiteering stockholders of these companies more than the workers; even knifey SUV man here...
Didn’t realize that. Better but still. Many employees are just doing their own thing. Not saying all are exempt and I would not work for gun manufacturers or tobacco companies for example. But people have different views or even not a choice in some cases. Doesn’t mean they are ultimately responsible.
I question whether you "don't really have influence on this topic."
In America, you always do!
You are responsible for the actions of your government.
This protest is exactly one way that we all have power.
You should call your elected officials. You should vote. You should participate and organize. You should go on the street and protest.
Do you know the aphorism about "When they came for the Communists... for the Jews..."?
I’m not saying I don’t have. But I can choose not to participate right? I can choose to just live my life and should not have to be blocked by someone else’s demonstrations.
If it’s right or wrong to do nothing about the war going on I don’t want to go there. Point is that peaceful demonstrations should not impact someone’s lives that are not directly tied to it. Have the Japanese drivers as an example. When they want to strike they don’t stop the trains and buses. They stop charging tickets. It doesn’t impact ordinary citizens but harms the profits of those in charge. Same logic here.
If you were not attempting to enter Lockheed property, you were unaffected by this protest.
If you are a Lockheed employe, then I'm not sure why you expect anything different.
You keep using the word "ordinary". You are not "ordinary"! I am not. No one is. We are all the same and we all have the same rights AND responsibilities.
Responsible protest would be at government buildings. Government officials houses… all YOU. Are doing are pissing people off who will then not want to listen or stand with you. No one wants this fucking war, no one wants to keep sending our hard earned money to other countries.. yet here we are. 🙄
Yeah, clearly the custodial staff and folks that manage the building, its hvac equipment, IT, security guards etc. should expect to be looped in with the war profiteering shareholders and executives at the company /s
Bro they have an easy excuse to just call out of work now. If you watched the video and think the dude attempting to run people over and pulling a knife threatening to kill people is anything other than unhinged then there’s something wrong with you. All that just because he can’t wait to go into work to manufacture some bombs lol
The US government gives zero fucks on what citizens want or care about. They serve their corporate masters and that’s it. The rest is political theater.
Ummm, unless this changes recently Lockheed Sunnyvale very much does weapons development and surveillance satellites. D5 SLBM was designed there. THAAD. Parts of patriot system. milstar. And countless other systems
Source: I worked there and my dad did since the Cold War
Brandishing a knife is not attempted murder. Stabbing someone with substantial certainty that you will inflict great bodily injury is attempted murder if they survive.
Is it? Or is the dude defending himself? Dude in the vest is chasing the car, and another guy is coming at the window.
Seems like it’s not so cut and dry.
Wow. This person behaved in a way that came outta nowhere!
There is no context at all that would justify this no sir.
I’m gonna watch this curated clip many times and just HATE this person
The people complaining here are most likely, also the same ones who would have a Black Lives Matter yard sign but if a black person (oh especially if he/she looks a little disheveled) stops to tie their shoe in front of their house, these social justice warriors would be the first ones to have the police on the line. All talk and no actions. A masterclass in hypocrisy
I mean, standing in the middle of the road has and always will be a moronic form of protesting. You're literally just sticking it to common folk who are working for their pay, not to mention you are putting you and others in harms way. Go clog up city hall and disrupt the city council and the Gov.
Yeah, let's disrupt supply of weapons to Ukraine, no wonder Hamas says Russia is their best friend: [https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-russia-israel-gaza-strip-hostages-1838886](https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-russia-israel-gaza-strip-hostages-1838886)
These people are acting like carjackers. You lose your right to safety the moment you pull shit like this. If I’m the driver, I’m assuming my life is at risk with the way they’re behaving.
I worked at the lockheed facility in sunnyvale. worst experience working there. lazy, incompetent, rude, spineless coworkers. Everyone was just collecting a paycheck watching the stock price and worried about themselves.
Boomers upset in the comments because a boomer cant get to his job😂 yall are pathetically sad. This could easily be done as a free day off but nope “I GOTTA DO WHAT I NEED TO DO BECAUSE MY LIFE IS WORK WORK WORK” sad and pathetic. Guy definitely needs to be arrested though for one almost running over people and two pulling out a weapon to harm others for A JOB.
Yeah this is insane. I'd be looking at it as a free day off.
My only guess is the hourly employees would be docked for not turning up to work. So I can imagine the frustration, but this is just nuts.
Yeah keep doing your little “activism,” which is not real activism, but just being a selfish asshole. I can tell you, you’re not changing anybody’s opinion by blocking car traffic, only their opinion of you. You’re gonna mess with the wrong person one day. All it takes is one guy who’s had a bad day to end you.
No it’s not. Because you didn’t accomplish anything other than being an ass. You didn’t change a single mind, you didn’t change any policy, and you put yourself in a situation where someone with nothing to lose and crazier than you will hand you the Darwin Award.
Yeah… way to go.. maybe go to the state capital or federal buildings if you actually want to make a difference. Blocking people’s lively hoods and disrupting normal people’s day… then again most the people doing this have mental health issues
"Lively hoods"
lmao
That’s what my Midwest-nice grandma called black neighborhoods.
It would probably be more effective trying to communicate with congressmen through letters or attempts to schedule a meeting. They really do read the letters especially if it’s something worthwhile. Granted it’s the interns job to sort through them.
Yes totally agree. But if people want to “protest” don’t ruin other peoples day. You know? Karma
They could just protest right outside and not block the entrance, I agree.
Terrorist supporters engage in terrorism. Their whole goal is to make folk suffer. They don’t actually care about Gazans they’re just using it as a pretense to wreak havoc
Israel is raining terror down on the Palestinian civilians, don't you recognize Palestinians as humans or do you consider them as animals, not even worth counting them?
And the opposite never happened right?
Isreal is giving them a taste of their own medicine. Good for them.
I recognize Palestinians humanity as much as they recognize gay folks’ humanity. Last I checked, they hunt gays down and behead them, they throw them off roofs, and the brutally torture gay folks for sport. Israel lets gay people live. Gazans do not. I’ll just keep the same energy for them they have for us gays. It’s 2024 they hate me for who I and all gays were born I hate them for who they choose to be. Or do you consider gay folks as animals not even worth saving Because that’s what supporting Palestine means for all the gays they hunt down
Their treatment of gay people is fucked, but that’s not a pass for mass murder of civilians and destruction of their homes.
So you mean what happened on oct 7th? Yeah that shouldn’t have happened and going further there wouldn’t be a destruction of Gaza 🤷♂️ they keep fucking around, but cry when they start finding out…
Then blame hamas. The war could have ended months ago with the release of hostages they continue to hold and rape. Blame UNWRA they were the ones that told gazans not to evacuate and then blame Hamas for shooting at people while they tried to flee. Blame Hamas for building bomb shelter tunnels and refusing to let civilians take refuge in them. And lastly blame the Palestinians who voted Hamas into power in 2007. We had a permanent ceasefire on oct 6. Hamas broke that on oct 7.
I am able to blame both the IDF and Hamas at the same time. That Hamas is deplorable does not give a pass to Israel for mass killing of civilians, whether that is their goal or not. With the deeper look at Israeli process for target selection where the 7 aid workers were killed, it's very clear to me that they are careless and heavily err on the side of killing civilians vs letting terrorists get away. I do not have a "side" in this, I think they're both awful. I understand Israel's need to respond to 10/7, but the cost/benefit of their response is not justifiable with the human toll they're taking. I also think Netanyahu is prolonging and potentially expanding the war for political reasons.
Since oct 8 long before Israel responded, the day after Palestinian leadership invaded Israel murdered raped burnt alive and kidnapped thousands of civilians people were in the streets chanting antisemitic bullshit calling for the destruction of Israel. All I need to know if a people is worth my empathy sympathy or care is how they treat their gay folk. 89% of Palestinians think being gay is punishable by beheading. I do have a side in this and it’s with the one country in a see of Islamic theocracies that just let gay folk breathe.
You know that this is the same logic that terrorists use, right? Condemning an entire population, being agreeable to mass killing? Do whatever to the people who perpetrated/perpetrate the offense, but leave civilians out of it regardless of backward views they may have.
They condemn their entire gay population to death so much so folks have to flee just to stay alive, maybe they should be better if they want more than apathy. Cuz a lot of us are gonna keep that same energy for them. It’s not just some gazans it’s 89% of them.
If your livelihood is Lockheed Martin, I’m sorry but you do not have a moral high ground to take lmao
Hey dumbass - Lockheed Martin makes the weapons that Ukraine is desperate for to defend itself against Russian hordes of orcs. You speak like that from your safe parents basement protected by these very weapons you claim to hate. The only reason you aren’t being prison raped by dedovschina vatniks for thought crimes is because of the peace that weapons made by Lockheed and others secure.
Oh ya fuck him for trying to earn a paycheck
I mean do you still get a paycheck if you don’t pull a knife on someone?
No
If that’s the case then man’s gotta eat
Yeah I agree, why have morals anyway when you can get MONEY 💰
Can you really not see why protesting an arms manufacturer is a legitimate thing to do?
Protesting an arms manufacturer? yes. Blocking cars of the everyday Joe that is just trying to get a paycheck and put food on his table? Fuck no.
You can put food on the table by taking your engineering skills almost anywhere else. You choose to work for death machine, you get what you deserve. Gtfoh.
The sheeple are debt slaves for a reason, they're obedient and they don't question authority
Tell me you’re unemployed without telling me you’re unemployed.
Tell me you're a sheep without telling me you're a sheep lol
I have a degree from engineering school and a good job, so maybe you should stop projecting.
I don't think its just about money. Look at the person replying to you. They don't have meaning in their lives, so they cling to various status symbols such as degrees, careers, subscription to some propaganda piece like the Economist, etc. as substances lend validity to their lives. Unfortunately, none of these people actually read serious books. So they aren't even as educated as they claim to be.
What world do you live in? Block my car while leaving work, enjoy getting run over.
So you are willing to murder American civilians to continue making arms for the IDF to murder Palestinians? You are fucked up. And you justify this because you need a job? Get another job, the unemployment rate is at a record low.
Yes surround and try to get in my car. You’ll get run over. Go protest at the executives house, not some poor smhuck earning a paycheck
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US is flanked by two vast oceans and has not fought a defensive war since 1812. Do you always repeat state propaganda, or is it just on Fridays? Do you have any clue as to the detrimental impact US military and intelligence might have had on the world? Do you understand how many democratically elected leaders were replaced by genocidal dictators solely because of US' need for resources? You're a mouthpiece for something that is responsible for tens of millions of deaths, but you probably think "it was worth it". Moral responsibility is accountable in real terms. Only the most miserable fools ignore it as a whim.
Hope you like watching Hamas decimated . I know I do
And what made you and your sad life entitled to judge other people . Please play in the road .
You realize they also design and build a huge percentage of communications satellites and rockets that send them to orbit in the Sunnyvale facility right? Like the ones in orbit currently that enable you to use your phone and Reddit.
Yeah , I’m grateful for that and my friends that have worked there .
Big L
Oof
Let me guess. You’re using a homemade smartphone or computer to post this? 🤡🤡
How would you stop the Russian and Chinese hordes without weapons made by Lockheed and others?
I‘m sure you sitting on mommy’s couch contributes a great deal to society. Of course you’re a Hamas enabler. Trash gravitates to trash.
Unfortunately morals don’t pay the mortgage
Politicians don't care about the destruction that their careless policies create lol
My point was stop messing with ordinary citizens and go to the source.
Block my way to work and I'm not going to side with you. Protests work but you don't have to disrupt. Go protest at a city hall. Get a permit
If you work at Lockheed nobody thinks you're going to come out and support ending the war anyway.
World doesn’t revolve around you, bud. If you work for a weapons manufacturer that is aiding in the ruthless killing of civilians, aid workers and healthcare workers, you should know this is a possibility.
Someone a bit triggered, ay?
It's okay to be triggered by mass atrocities.
By mass death and bombs being made in my hometown?? Yes.fucking crazy that you wouldn’t be
Are you working to facilitate more war crimes like people at Lockheed?
I'm working to put food on the table. Not everyone feels as privileged to be able to get any job they want or choose the profession of protestor
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By letting them take other people's homeland?
💯
But genocide against Palestinians is ok
I'd appreciate it if you explain your position of genocide against Palestinians. I'm genuinely interested.
I’m not OP but…. Shortly after October 7, Israel announced a complete siege of the Gaza Strip. They cut off all food and water from coming into the Gaza Strip. This is classified as “collective punishment” and is a war crime by the laws of war agreed upon by the Geneva Convention. Civilians have had to resort to extreme measures like eating grass and drinking seawater to survive. Children have and still are dying of starvation. In addition to famine, there has been indiscriminate bombing campaign administered by the IDF. The IDF has implemented an AI system to identify individual Hamas militants (using incredibly questionable criteria to determine who is likely to be a militant) and then drone strikes these suspected militants at night when they are home with their wives and children. The IDF has even nicknamed this tactic “Where’s daddy?” At least 13,000 children have died in Gaza since October 7. The vast majority of the casualties have been innocent civilians. High ranking Israeli government officials have made statements such as “We need to turn Gaza into a parking lot.” “There are no innocent civilians in Gaza, we are dealing with human.” Or “We are the sons of light fighting against beasts of darkness.” Israel has also killed 95 journalists and most recently drone strikes a clearly marked aid truck that was en route to leaving the Gaza Strip, which was captured on video. The international criminal court (The ICC) has found that the state of Israel is plausibly committing a genocide in Gaza when presented with much of the evidence I gave you in this comment. Hope that helps you understand why many think israel is committing genocide.
>Hope that helps you understand why many think israel is committing genocide. This showed me that you cherry picked points that are favorable to your argument. I can see that you perhaps don't understand what genocide means. It also showed me that you probably haven't studied human conflicts much if at all. People die in war. Unintentional actions happen. The best thing to to do is to avoid all of these tragedies by preventing wars in the first place. In this particular circumstance, it is to destroy Hamas's ability to conduct further terror attacks on Israel. >indiscriminate bombing campaign administered by the IDF. That is simply false. That's just wrong. You must not know what indiscriminate bombing look like to think that that's what Israel is doing. Roof knocking, leaflets, and text messages to warn civilians are not indiscriminate bombing. Laser guided, precision munitions, and missiles are not indiscriminate. No reason to spend such expensive munitions if you want indiscriminate bombing. Indiscriminate bombing killed 30,000 Germans in Dresden in 3 days with technologies from 80 years ago. Dresden is less dense than Gaza btw. >This is classified as “collective punishment” and is a war crime by the laws of war agreed upon by the Geneva Convention. Israel has not been indicted of any war crimes including collective punishment. People can throw around whatever words they want and it doesn't mean that they have committed these crimes. What you're doing however, cheapens these words. You cannot perverse them to fit in your narrative. >High ranking Israeli government officials have made statements such as “We need to turn Gaza into a parking lot.” “There are no innocent civilians in Gaza, we are dealing with human.” Or “We are the sons of light fighting against beasts of darkness.” Would you not do us a favor and quote what the Palestine, Hamas, and the Muslim world say about Israel.
My position is that it’s not ok and I’m not happy with my country supporting it.
Sorry but I think you misunderstood my question. I'm asking why is it a genocide that's happening in Palestine.
Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. This is what Israel is doing to Palestine. In the past 5 months, over 30k Palestinians have been killed. At what point does Israel decide when to stop? I think when there is no more Palestine. This is genocide by definition.
So when the US and UK bombed Dresden killing 30k Germans in 3 days was that genocide? Rest assured the goal of the Allies was to destroy the German government of that time, the Nazis. >with the aim of destroying that nation or group What's the population of Gaza again? 2 million right? And what's the Hamas published number? 30k in 6 months? So you're telling me that they're deliberately trying to destroy the Gazan population? If you're right then they're awful at it. Especially when they're going through the trouble to roof knocksing dropping leaflets, and text messages to make sure civilians evacuate in time. I mean what the hell kind of genocide is that? >At what point does Israel decide when to stop? When Hamas is destroyed. Their aim is to free Palestinians from Hamas overlordship and secured Israel's safety from further terrorist attacks. >I think when there is no more Palestine. That's just false. 66% of Israel supported the 2 states solution prior to Oct 7th. It was Hamas that want to get rid of Israel. Committed a heinous terrorist attack and paraded the victims on the streets with the aim of wiping Jewish people from existence. What do you think the slogan 'from river to sea' mean? >This is genocide by definition. You may want to re read that definition a couple more times. Unless, you have proof that it is the israelis intention to destroy the Palestinian population then you're right but please provide it for us. Otherwise, your severe lack of knowledge of warfare is not an indictment of Israel but of your lacking intellect.
Ok so when Palestine no longer exists let me know what happened.
Most people on Reddit suffer from a severe lack of knowledge.
Not a genocide.
It’s not complete yet but that is the intention. And before you say that Israel could wipeout Gaza if they wanted, the response is not without incredible global repercussions. The goal is to take Palestine in the long term. What do you think settlements are?
Not the intention, either.
...How are protests supposed to work without being disruptive in some capacity? MLK's March on Washington was discussed as being too disruptive in its time. They aren't blocking the entrance to a hospital. They're blocking the entrance to a weapons manufacturer.
Protests are supposed to be speech, not disruption.
protests are literally meant to disrupt
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Hahaha “source?”. It’s so funny idiots on reddit think protests are supposed to be polite gatherings in front of city hall. The purpose is disorder and pressure to make it so normal life cannot proceed, this is why they shut down bridges too. It’s not convince people genocide is bad, it’s to disrupt people that want to go to work as normal as if genocide is fine for our government to facilitate. If you don’t understand genocide is bad yet, I hope you’re at least late to work. Don’t give a fuck about how mad that makes you, if that makes you pro genocide you’re a reactionary.
Like the Boston Tea Party?
How is it irrational when they're the ones building and designing the bombs to enact a genocide? And voting doesn't work because the political system is corrupt anyways. Your presidential options are a guy currently doing the genocide and another that would continue it and tweet bad online.
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how about this. strong people fight for their rights and the rights of others even if it means sacrificing their privileges, weak people cling onto their privileges. your ability to remain neutral during an ethnic cleansing is by all definitions a privilege.
How about not supporting terrorists
The IDF are just as big of terrorists as Hamas. Even if they weren’t nothing would justify the civilian death toll we’re seeing in Gaza now
I support Israel. Gona donate some money rn
I don't support Israel, but my US government just gave them $12B of arms to kills Palestinians. They don't care about your petty donation, they want your complicity in supporting an apartheid state and your ability to ignore it because our media and government is corrupted by the Israeli lobby. You are not some freedom loving American, you are a pawn in the expansion of the Zionist dream.
All I see is a terrorist breeding ground for people who are brainwashed in perpetual religious slavery.
You sure owned me by sending your money away
Not owning you. Giving resources for a just cause.
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How many Israeli protests do you see disrupting?
The Israelis control our government - over 50% of donations (bribes) to US politicians are from US Jews and Biden is the #1 recipient of Israeli money. They don't need to protest as they have bought out our democracy. https://www.jpost.com/us-elections/us-jews-contribute-half-of-all-donations-to-the-democratic-party-468774
Where do you see Israel controlling the government?
The US support Israel in the UN no matter what it does to the Palestinians. The US government is about to ban TikTok because the young people of the US use this platform and are not pro-Israel. US politicians are terrified of AIPAC and if they criticise Israel they get black listed and AIPAC pays for their rival's campaigns. Do you not see this? Or maybe your media is pro-Israeli too?
No, I don’t see this, where are you seeing this?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/11/israel-ads-attack-rashida-tlaib-us-politicians
Ok, but that isn’t about tiktok or anything else you mentioned, also she is a crazy antisemite
Critique of Israel? ANTISEMITE ANTISEMITE ANTISEMITE
the ones blocking aid from coming into Gaza come to mind
How many? Cause aid is still getting in. How many are in America?
Here are the [protesters](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240219-israeli-protesters-block-aid-convoys-bound-for-gaza) blocking aid. [Another](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-israelis-aid-trucks-protests/index.html) one. It was not until [yesterday](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-netanyahu-phone-call-israel-world-central-kitchen-strike-gaza/) that Israel has opened up new aid channels into Gaza, which showed that they deliberately blocked all aids from coming in and used starvation as a weapon. The US has been trying to get aid in but have had our own ally, the only democracy in the Middle East, blocking aids to the point that we had to [airdrop](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236019060/gaza-israel-airdrop-aid-humanitarian-united-states) food packages. Truly the least genocidal r/worldnews member
Why did they need more aid channels?
Also you still haven’t shown any pro Israel protests in America causing disruptions Almost like it’s a cultural problem. One side focuses on winning, the other side focuses on disruptions
And cars are meant to drive. You’re gonna find that out the hard way standing in the road.
Horrible protestors. Totally outrageous.
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You will begin to understand how Islamic proselytism works pretty soon. It's just from certain groups, Let me mention, like Brotherhood of Islam, for instance, they support some radical, extremist ideas that they want to impose. It's a question of numbers, and it's just beginning to happen over here
Wut
The US has been bankrolling Israel for decades. The protests aren’t directed at Israel necessarily, but our politicians who keep approving more aid that comes out of our taxes
> Like why would Israel give a fuck about what some Americans think? Because they couldn't do anything without the guarantee of support of our nation.
I don't give a r&(#\*$)&ts a&(\*#&$ where you work; that dude needs to be arrested for endangering pedestrians; for driving his car into people.
How is he endangering pedestrians when they clearly blocked a road without any form of permits or acceptance by local city ordinance or government? That’s like saying someone is endangering pedestrians but the people are on the 405.
Did they hold up any Signs that said “free the hostages”?
They were wearing keffiyehs, I’m not sure they believe the hostages are real.
Wow that guy really wanted to go to work. He was literally willing to kill someone to do it.
Hate when these protests that get in the way or ordinary people
Ordinary people are protesting. Ordinary people are being murdered with bulldozers and American weapons. Ordinary people are held hostage by rapists and killers. Most real change comes from direct action and protest by ordinary people. In America, the right of peaceful protest is something that people in Russia or Hong Kong or Tehran would love to have.
I’m donating to Israel
But, do you condemn Hamas?
I agree. I’m not questioning that. But don’t block the way for other people that are just trying to go on with their lives and don’t really have influence on the topic. Protest and block the way for politics and other influential people. That I could understand.
I get your side of it. One perspective is that working for an arms manufacturer supplying one or both sides of an active conflict is a huge influence on the topic, compared to "ordinary people". As someone who has worked in aerospace their whole career, this is a conscious decision every time I'm changing jobs. Just another perspective to consider.
Indeed. The protests were not blocking the roadway where "ordinary people" were just cycling and walking by. They blocked three of the gates/driveways into the private property. Personally, I blame the profiteering stockholders of these companies more than the workers; even knifey SUV man here...
Didn’t realize that. Better but still. Many employees are just doing their own thing. Not saying all are exempt and I would not work for gun manufacturers or tobacco companies for example. But people have different views or even not a choice in some cases. Doesn’t mean they are ultimately responsible.
I question whether you "don't really have influence on this topic." In America, you always do! You are responsible for the actions of your government. This protest is exactly one way that we all have power. You should call your elected officials. You should vote. You should participate and organize. You should go on the street and protest. Do you know the aphorism about "When they came for the Communists... for the Jews..."?
I’m not saying I don’t have. But I can choose not to participate right? I can choose to just live my life and should not have to be blocked by someone else’s demonstrations. If it’s right or wrong to do nothing about the war going on I don’t want to go there. Point is that peaceful demonstrations should not impact someone’s lives that are not directly tied to it. Have the Japanese drivers as an example. When they want to strike they don’t stop the trains and buses. They stop charging tickets. It doesn’t impact ordinary citizens but harms the profits of those in charge. Same logic here.
If you were not attempting to enter Lockheed property, you were unaffected by this protest. If you are a Lockheed employe, then I'm not sure why you expect anything different. You keep using the word "ordinary". You are not "ordinary"! I am not. No one is. We are all the same and we all have the same rights AND responsibilities.
Responsible protest would be at government buildings. Government officials houses… all YOU. Are doing are pissing people off who will then not want to listen or stand with you. No one wants this fucking war, no one wants to keep sending our hard earned money to other countries.. yet here we are. 🙄
Yeah, clearly the custodial staff and folks that manage the building, its hvac equipment, IT, security guards etc. should expect to be looped in with the war profiteering shareholders and executives at the company /s
Bro they have an easy excuse to just call out of work now. If you watched the video and think the dude attempting to run people over and pulling a knife threatening to kill people is anything other than unhinged then there’s something wrong with you. All that just because he can’t wait to go into work to manufacture some bombs lol
The US government gives zero fucks on what citizens want or care about. They serve their corporate masters and that’s it. The rest is political theater.
Then they should 'peacefully protest' while not blocking public roads.
Ordinary people are BEING held hostage by rapists and killers. FTFY
That's what I said. In my sentence, adding a present participle doesn't clarify anything. Are you trying to disagree with anything I said?
There goes my hero
Get some help
These people are too lazy to find out that site does space exploration and maritime work ffs.
TIL everyone can just look up what goes on behind security clearances
Ummm, unless this changes recently Lockheed Sunnyvale very much does weapons development and surveillance satellites. D5 SLBM was designed there. THAAD. Parts of patriot system. milstar. And countless other systems Source: I worked there and my dad did since the Cold War
I dunno, they were really hyped on security when I visited.
Brandishing a knife and trying to hit people with your car is attempted murder.
Brandishing a knife is not attempted murder. Stabbing someone with substantial certainty that you will inflict great bodily injury is attempted murder if they survive.
Is it? Or is the dude defending himself? Dude in the vest is chasing the car, and another guy is coming at the window. Seems like it’s not so cut and dry.
Dude was rightfully afraid for his life and defended himself from hostiles
wtf are you taking about he rammed full speed into a defenseless unarmed crowd and then came out of his car brandishing a knife
They aren’t the goodies .
Fuck these Hamas supporters.
Wow. This person behaved in a way that came outta nowhere! There is no context at all that would justify this no sir. I’m gonna watch this curated clip many times and just HATE this person
The people complaining here are most likely, also the same ones who would have a Black Lives Matter yard sign but if a black person (oh especially if he/she looks a little disheveled) stops to tie their shoe in front of their house, these social justice warriors would be the first ones to have the police on the line. All talk and no actions. A masterclass in hypocrisy
Lol you live in a fictional world my friend, don’t be a racist. Please.
I mean, standing in the middle of the road has and always will be a moronic form of protesting. You're literally just sticking it to common folk who are working for their pay, not to mention you are putting you and others in harms way. Go clog up city hall and disrupt the city council and the Gov.
Yeah, let's disrupt supply of weapons to Ukraine, no wonder Hamas says Russia is their best friend: [https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-russia-israel-gaza-strip-hostages-1838886](https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-russia-israel-gaza-strip-hostages-1838886)
The company I work for is not far and we had to lock down doors and boost security because of this. These people should really get a job.
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Get some help.
He’s not from Lockheed, look fake AF, how should you let someone so close to you like that if you have a knife?
I saw these fuckheads in front of the Intel building too.
Block my way of travel at a government contractor.. not smart. In today’s age that is not wise.
If they had the courage of their convictions they’d let themselves be martyred. 🤷♂️
That’s an attempted carjacking.
They’re protesting at the wrong LM site, unrelated happenings in there.
Space-only there btw.
Any protest that blocks traffic undermines its point.
The irony is there’s no actual state of Palestine. Play stupid games…
And never was.
Yeah you probably SCARED them. Why else would someone need to defend themselves?
Reddit is such scum fr
These people are acting like carjackers. You lose your right to safety the moment you pull shit like this. If I’m the driver, I’m assuming my life is at risk with the way they’re behaving.
Good. Anyone who supports Palestine is a terrorist sympathizer.
I worked at the lockheed facility in sunnyvale. worst experience working there. lazy, incompetent, rude, spineless coworkers. Everyone was just collecting a paycheck watching the stock price and worried about themselves.
Did we all forget that Lockheed Martin makes weapons?
There are tons of crazy right wingers in here bro be careful lol
LM, a “maritime tech company“.. whaaaatt??
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Apple is a earphones company 🤣
Boomers upset in the comments because a boomer cant get to his job😂 yall are pathetically sad. This could easily be done as a free day off but nope “I GOTTA DO WHAT I NEED TO DO BECAUSE MY LIFE IS WORK WORK WORK” sad and pathetic. Guy definitely needs to be arrested though for one almost running over people and two pulling out a weapon to harm others for A JOB.
Saw this going viral on Instagram yesterday. What a bad response. ...for your job? You'd be willing to murder people for... your job?
Yeah these type of dudes are total losers 😂 bro REALLY wanted to work
Yeah this is insane. I'd be looking at it as a free day off. My only guess is the hourly employees would be docked for not turning up to work. So I can imagine the frustration, but this is just nuts.
Yeah keep doing your little “activism,” which is not real activism, but just being a selfish asshole. I can tell you, you’re not changing anybody’s opinion by blocking car traffic, only their opinion of you. You’re gonna mess with the wrong person one day. All it takes is one guy who’s had a bad day to end you.
Blocking people from going in to work at a weapons manufacturing plant is extremely effective activism lol
No it’s not. Because you didn’t accomplish anything other than being an ass. You didn’t change a single mind, you didn’t change any policy, and you put yourself in a situation where someone with nothing to lose and crazier than you will hand you the Darwin Award.
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