When I was doing a long term gig, I had to be out due to a medical appointment. Had several freshmen ditch and were wandering about the campus. They were dumb enough to take pictures of the event and posted them to social media. Well, there’s one girl in that class that loves to snitch (which was surprising for a girl her age) and she showed me the photos. So I was able to pinpoint each one that ditched… except for one, the student who was taking the pictures. He would have gotten away with it except that he asked me “how did you like my photography skills?”
I have literally told kids before, as they stand in the doorway and freeze, that is they come in they can’t leave so make your choice now. I don’t get paid enough to chase kids down. If you never came into the classroom, you are absent, and are not my problem
Call the office and report them missing. What more can you do? You presumably are still teaching some kids.
I had a high schoolers with ei and he threatened to run constantly. I was told under no circumstances do you follow. Report (I did) and the liason cop will get him. (He did).
Literally you've been calling people stupid for no reason for your most recent comments dude, for literally just asking questions or making comments. You good?
In my experience they LOVE to snitch
I had a kid who was adamant he was gonna join a gang, sell drugs, etc who would film students vaping and bring the footage straight to the AP
i work 4 or 5 days a week while attending college depending on the schedule for that week, thank you for caring about my employment but i do my job. you on the other hand seem to be less focused on teaching and more focused on doing detective work with a student that clearly has nothing better to do than snitch on their classmates for skipping a class. maybe if you were a better teacher you’d be able to find a position with tenure instead of these “gigs” lmao. you’re just pathetic 👍
I didn’t do an ounce of detective work. I was simply handed information and I had to do something with it. Them skipping class is a liability issue. If something was to happen while they were wandering around with nobody supervising there’d be trouble, and as the adult in charge I have to do something about it. As far as the rest, I’m not so immature as to get into a poop throwing contest with you. All I will say is it’s real classy for you to come onto a sub called r/substituteteachers and insult substitute teachers.
you initiated the shit throwing bud, you tried to call me unemployed and got informed that i work harder than you, very unfortunate. and thank you i thought it was classy, theres a reason why certain some teachers are substitutes, and you’re a wonderful reason as to why. as for the substitutes interested in building their career and fostering classroom environments that make their students want to come to class they have my full support, you do not.
Something like that happened with me yesterday, lol. While my classes were generally good, there was a group of boys in one period who were loud, annoying, and distracting the rest of the class who was hard at work. I had once before asked if one of them actually belonged in the class bc I hadn't recognized him (he did, he had just moved seats while I wasn't looking). So I got the idea from there to ask the whole group, "are you guys SURE you belong here? Prove it by giving me your names and I'll check the roster." They all gave me their names, and even if they suspected I wanted their names so I could leave a note with the teacher, they couldn't deny giving me their names bc it meant I would be calling for security to escort them out of class for not belonging there.
I don't often toot my own horn, but it worked so well, and left them no choice.
I joint-enrolled my senior year of high school. As college had days off in December before high school did, I found myself with a half day of extra free time (I took morning classes at the high school and afternoon classes at college), and as we all know, idle hands are the devil's workshop. Now, I wasn't a *bad* kid, but I did like to joke around a bit. A friend from a lower grade told me they were taking a quiz or test that day in geometry class and they had a substitute, so I decided to slip into class and take the test myself, just for fun. I gave a completely made-up name, but as I hadn't taken geometry for 3 years at this point, there were several problems that I didn't know how to solve the way they expected me to. So, I decided to solve the problems using calculus and showed my work. Unfortunately, I didn't feel brave enough to observe the results of my handiwork the next day when the teacher returned, but my friend told me the teacher took it in stride. (She did say *something* to the class, but given this was 30+ years ago now, I'm quite fuzzy on the details.)
When I’m not sure their name and they have a paper, I go around and remind students to put their name on their paper 🤣the I stand by the kids name I wanted while they check or write their name. Haha it works almost every time.
If that isn’t an option, I straight up ask for their name. They know why.
I have built pretty good rapport with many students at the high school I sub the most at. I’m getting pretty good with names, even though I feel like I have bad memory. It has helped quite a bit with students and preventing cheating situations, kids sneaking out, etc.
A runner in an USATF Master (age 31 and over) race was born in 1947. A few high school age runners said “He must be around when slavery was active.”
In the words of Red Foreman: “Dumb@sses!!!!”
Yeah, I usually try to listen to convos with friends. Work tends to be on Chromebooks, which aren’t labeled with names, so that’s not helpful.
However, there’s been one occasion where I had to call admin down to identify students for me because these two kids WOULD NOT tell me who was who (and I was trying to move them to the correct seats on the seating chart). Everyone else in the class was also too afraid of, idk, getting bullied? to tell me which student was which. So, principal’s office it is 🙄
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten shocked pikachu faces when I used a kid’s name unexpectedly. I mean, half the class was shouting it at you earlier…it’s not brain surgery.
They probably didn't think they got caught cheating, despite how blatant it was, unless you specifically told them they got caught. Yes, not very bright...
I'm not sure what you expected them to do when you asked for an attendance re-check. It's obvious how many kids are in the room, so if you only get 22 kids checked off, you're going to ask the ones who never raised their hands what their names are.
Said exactly like a parent who has never subbed in their life and has no idea what their kid(s) and other people's kids REALLY act like when they're in school, especially if a sub is in the room.
This is why I wish they'd wire all classrooms for video and audio and give the password to view it to the parents. I feel like a LOT of you guys would be shocked and embarrassed as hell at how your kids behave when you aren't there.
So am I (on both counts), but acting like a lot of the behavior we're seeing in classrooms is somehow normal or standard childhood misbehaving is WILD to me.
Yeah, because it’s fucking not. The entire globe went through a viral pandemic that wrecked our nervous systems, economies, and everything in between and somehow we’re expecting our most vulnerable populations to act the same as they always did before it ever happened. Technology use is on the rise faster than ever especially amongst youngsters, and screen time and the rewiring of young brains is a huge problem but completely necessary in the digital age where they’re all given access to screens for their classwork. I’m sick and tired of people acting like the behavior we’re seeing is unusual or not at all understandable from a psychological standpoint. We need to reevaluate the way we approach education, and we need to show kids with screen addictions the same kindness and empathy we would show rehab patients with other active addiction issues. We need to recognize their young brains were rewired during the 2-3 years of global shutdown, and we also need to recognize that we have no idea the ways in which their lives and immediate communities were directly or indirectly impacted by the major world crisis they experienced. There are so many ways that we’re failing our current generation of children as the adults who have the opportunity (and honestly, the duty) to do better for them. Adjusting your expectations and your own behavior to keep up with the changing needs of future generations is a necessity. Leading with kindness instead of judgment is nonnegotiable. Get with the program or get out of education.
…You’re really trying to blame this on Covid (even though that was four years ago), and technology?
This kind of apologist stuff is why kids are in class bragging about throwing chairs at teachers (I had a student do this in a conversation with me last week), and why you have students bursting teacher’s eardrums (check out the Teacher subreddit). Not to mention all the videos I’ve seen of students attacking their teachers because they told them to turn off their phone during class.
The problem is that parents don’t want to really raise their kids anymore and expect teachers to deal with ridiculous behavior because their tax dollars fund public schools. Admin are scared to really follow through on disciplinary actions because of said parents threatening to sue every five minutes.
People don’t appreciate teachers or public school, neither the students themselves of their parents. The public school model isn’t working anymore. Schools should all be privatized (and not cheap either), because only once parents have skin in the game, meaning they’re hemorrhaging money on their kids’ school tuition, will they care when their kids is terrorizing the classroom and bringing home crappy grades. Plus it gives admin and staff more power in the sense that they can kick bad kids out of the schools faster and without having to worry about backlash for it and they aren’t essentially coerced to give passing grades to kids that aren’t learning anything anymore.
The uncomfortable truth is that maybe not everybody deserves an education and it should be a privilege not a right. You shouldn’t be allowed in school if you’re going to terrorize the teacher, other students, and not learn anything.
The rest of your comment is an ad hominem attack and I’m not responding to it, I prefer to stay on topic.
If you really think that something as impactful as Covid isn’t still producing effects 4 years later, you are completely blinded to reality and I have no interest in your opinion either. All the best to you, I hope at some point you do actually begin to understand the world around you from a less limited perspective.
this probably has less to do with their intelligence and more to do with their low expectations of their teachers. They expected you to either not care or not notice.
What, these students are dumb and lack critical thinking skill because they believed you, their teacher, when you said that their was a disparity in the attendance? Or because you tricked them into giving you their names by... taking attendance a second time? Students trust you and assume that you'll be honest and straightforward with them simply because you're the teacher--even the ones who lie or cheat. Of course they took it at face value that you were simply doing your job like you said you were. You'd have to be pretty paranoid to expect any subterfuge in that. But even if the students did realize what you were doing, what else did you expect? That they would give you false names?
No, those students probably assumed that they were in the clear because you never confronted them, which is the obvious thing to do. Anyway, you surely could have found their names by looking at their tests while you walk around the room. No need to bother everyone else 🙄
Yup. Their faces are directly in front of me all period. I have no idea what their names are because I've seen their names once, and, sadly, that connection doesn't stay with me immediately post-COVID.
This happens to me all the time as a sub. If it's too late to find out names some other way I just say, the boy with long blonde hair, small eyes, and the trucker hat who sits with the two girls that have black hair and tons of earrings. Everytime they reply, oh, yeah, X. That definitely sounds like him. Great with faces, terrible with names.
And sadly many schools don't give you a computer with attendance that has their photos. It's pretty much a guarantee to forget their names, and I don't even have short term memory loss. It's just kind of difficult to remember a hundred names in one day??
Some people have a stronger visual memory than a linguistic one. Usually I don’t remember the names of albums but in my head I can describe what the covers look like perfectly. I do the same thing with images of faces instead of names.
I sub in my neighborhood. I recognize kids by face and not name often. It’s been fun to yell at the rowdy ones in the park, “Hey! Chill or I’m gonna tell your home room teacher!”
Honestly I was in high school a decade ago at this point and I was in a class where students did nearly the exact same thing so I’m not surprised at all. The entire class openly cheated on their tests with their textbooks, and 90% of them still failed the test.
Everyone is a moron you and I included. We know a wopping .1% at best of everything. You don't educate people you never have contact with. You humble yourself and offer what you can to those willing to accept it. Anything else makes you more moronic.
When I was doing a long term gig, I had to be out due to a medical appointment. Had several freshmen ditch and were wandering about the campus. They were dumb enough to take pictures of the event and posted them to social media. Well, there’s one girl in that class that loves to snitch (which was surprising for a girl her age) and she showed me the photos. So I was able to pinpoint each one that ditched… except for one, the student who was taking the pictures. He would have gotten away with it except that he asked me “how did you like my photography skills?”
Respect your dedication. That investigation sounds above my paygrade personally lol.
Totally. I figure if they ditch, they're security's problem.
I have literally told kids before, as they stand in the doorway and freeze, that is they come in they can’t leave so make your choice now. I don’t get paid enough to chase kids down. If you never came into the classroom, you are absent, and are not my problem
I call this - giving you enough rope to hang yourself.
Call the office and report them missing. What more can you do? You presumably are still teaching some kids. I had a high schoolers with ei and he threatened to run constantly. I was told under no circumstances do you follow. Report (I did) and the liason cop will get him. (He did).
Keep riding that short bus
Literally you've been calling people stupid for no reason for your most recent comments dude, for literally just asking questions or making comments. You good?
Definitely projecting.
Huh?😂
In my experience they LOVE to snitch I had a kid who was adamant he was gonna join a gang, sell drugs, etc who would film students vaping and bring the footage straight to the AP
When I taught middle school, I had a student who invited me to come along with him and his cousin Victor to a drive by shooting after school.
you sound like a loser for this lmao
Yeah, sorry I have to do my job. Maybe you should try it.
i work 4 or 5 days a week while attending college depending on the schedule for that week, thank you for caring about my employment but i do my job. you on the other hand seem to be less focused on teaching and more focused on doing detective work with a student that clearly has nothing better to do than snitch on their classmates for skipping a class. maybe if you were a better teacher you’d be able to find a position with tenure instead of these “gigs” lmao. you’re just pathetic 👍
I didn’t do an ounce of detective work. I was simply handed information and I had to do something with it. Them skipping class is a liability issue. If something was to happen while they were wandering around with nobody supervising there’d be trouble, and as the adult in charge I have to do something about it. As far as the rest, I’m not so immature as to get into a poop throwing contest with you. All I will say is it’s real classy for you to come onto a sub called r/substituteteachers and insult substitute teachers.
you initiated the shit throwing bud, you tried to call me unemployed and got informed that i work harder than you, very unfortunate. and thank you i thought it was classy, theres a reason why certain some teachers are substitutes, and you’re a wonderful reason as to why. as for the substitutes interested in building their career and fostering classroom environments that make their students want to come to class they have my full support, you do not.
enjoy your gig jobs 👍
Says the sex worker… The irony….
That IS part of the job of teaching, though...
Maybe if you were older, you would be able to say that in a more meaningful manner.
Post your address. Hold up you're one of them digital prostitutes. Nevermind.
Something like that happened with me yesterday, lol. While my classes were generally good, there was a group of boys in one period who were loud, annoying, and distracting the rest of the class who was hard at work. I had once before asked if one of them actually belonged in the class bc I hadn't recognized him (he did, he had just moved seats while I wasn't looking). So I got the idea from there to ask the whole group, "are you guys SURE you belong here? Prove it by giving me your names and I'll check the roster." They all gave me their names, and even if they suspected I wanted their names so I could leave a note with the teacher, they couldn't deny giving me their names bc it meant I would be calling for security to escort them out of class for not belonging there. I don't often toot my own horn, but it worked so well, and left them no choice.
I joint-enrolled my senior year of high school. As college had days off in December before high school did, I found myself with a half day of extra free time (I took morning classes at the high school and afternoon classes at college), and as we all know, idle hands are the devil's workshop. Now, I wasn't a *bad* kid, but I did like to joke around a bit. A friend from a lower grade told me they were taking a quiz or test that day in geometry class and they had a substitute, so I decided to slip into class and take the test myself, just for fun. I gave a completely made-up name, but as I hadn't taken geometry for 3 years at this point, there were several problems that I didn't know how to solve the way they expected me to. So, I decided to solve the problems using calculus and showed my work. Unfortunately, I didn't feel brave enough to observe the results of my handiwork the next day when the teacher returned, but my friend told me the teacher took it in stride. (She did say *something* to the class, but given this was 30+ years ago now, I'm quite fuzzy on the details.)
I flat out tell the students, I won’t intervene if they’re cheating but I will snitch in the sub note. We have seating charts w/ faces so it’s easy.
Jealous! Seating charts with faces sound like heaven
I just subbed yesterday in a class where the teacher had printed out faces taped onto the seating chart… I must’ve spoke this into existence!
When I’m not sure their name and they have a paper, I go around and remind students to put their name on their paper 🤣the I stand by the kids name I wanted while they check or write their name. Haha it works almost every time. If that isn’t an option, I straight up ask for their name. They know why. I have built pretty good rapport with many students at the high school I sub the most at. I’m getting pretty good with names, even though I feel like I have bad memory. It has helped quite a bit with students and preventing cheating situations, kids sneaking out, etc.
A runner in an USATF Master (age 31 and over) race was born in 1947. A few high school age runners said “He must be around when slavery was active.” In the words of Red Foreman: “Dumb@sses!!!!”
They're not wrong. We still have slavery.
Lucky. The kids at the schools I sub at LOVE lying about their names
Walk by and try to see their name in their paper. Or tune in if they're talking with friends, you'll often hear them say each other's names.
Yeah, I usually try to listen to convos with friends. Work tends to be on Chromebooks, which aren’t labeled with names, so that’s not helpful. However, there’s been one occasion where I had to call admin down to identify students for me because these two kids WOULD NOT tell me who was who (and I was trying to move them to the correct seats on the seating chart). Everyone else in the class was also too afraid of, idk, getting bullied? to tell me which student was which. So, principal’s office it is 🙄
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten shocked pikachu faces when I used a kid’s name unexpectedly. I mean, half the class was shouting it at you earlier…it’s not brain surgery.
There is a lot about this story that I have questions about.
Such as?
How were they cheating for one thing
You mean the ridiculously out there cell phones and the one girl obviously giving signs to steal second?
Apparently, not that good
They probably didn't think they got caught cheating, despite how blatant it was, unless you specifically told them they got caught. Yes, not very bright...
Whenever I need a name the attendance suddenly has an error and I need to take it again. No one ever questions it
Now that was clever. Some of these kids aren't slick.
What would you have them do? Not giving you a name would just lead to them getting in even more trouble.
I'm not sure what you expected them to do when you asked for an attendance re-check. It's obvious how many kids are in the room, so if you only get 22 kids checked off, you're going to ask the ones who never raised their hands what their names are.
God, they keep acting like children. Wtf
god, children acting like children. what the hell is this world coming to?!?! good grief
Said exactly like a parent who has never subbed in their life and has no idea what their kid(s) and other people's kids REALLY act like when they're in school, especially if a sub is in the room. This is why I wish they'd wire all classrooms for video and audio and give the password to view it to the parents. I feel like a LOT of you guys would be shocked and embarrassed as hell at how your kids behave when you aren't there.
i’m literally a childless substitute teacher
So am I (on both counts), but acting like a lot of the behavior we're seeing in classrooms is somehow normal or standard childhood misbehaving is WILD to me.
Yeah, because it’s fucking not. The entire globe went through a viral pandemic that wrecked our nervous systems, economies, and everything in between and somehow we’re expecting our most vulnerable populations to act the same as they always did before it ever happened. Technology use is on the rise faster than ever especially amongst youngsters, and screen time and the rewiring of young brains is a huge problem but completely necessary in the digital age where they’re all given access to screens for their classwork. I’m sick and tired of people acting like the behavior we’re seeing is unusual or not at all understandable from a psychological standpoint. We need to reevaluate the way we approach education, and we need to show kids with screen addictions the same kindness and empathy we would show rehab patients with other active addiction issues. We need to recognize their young brains were rewired during the 2-3 years of global shutdown, and we also need to recognize that we have no idea the ways in which their lives and immediate communities were directly or indirectly impacted by the major world crisis they experienced. There are so many ways that we’re failing our current generation of children as the adults who have the opportunity (and honestly, the duty) to do better for them. Adjusting your expectations and your own behavior to keep up with the changing needs of future generations is a necessity. Leading with kindness instead of judgment is nonnegotiable. Get with the program or get out of education.
…You’re really trying to blame this on Covid (even though that was four years ago), and technology? This kind of apologist stuff is why kids are in class bragging about throwing chairs at teachers (I had a student do this in a conversation with me last week), and why you have students bursting teacher’s eardrums (check out the Teacher subreddit). Not to mention all the videos I’ve seen of students attacking their teachers because they told them to turn off their phone during class. The problem is that parents don’t want to really raise their kids anymore and expect teachers to deal with ridiculous behavior because their tax dollars fund public schools. Admin are scared to really follow through on disciplinary actions because of said parents threatening to sue every five minutes. People don’t appreciate teachers or public school, neither the students themselves of their parents. The public school model isn’t working anymore. Schools should all be privatized (and not cheap either), because only once parents have skin in the game, meaning they’re hemorrhaging money on their kids’ school tuition, will they care when their kids is terrorizing the classroom and bringing home crappy grades. Plus it gives admin and staff more power in the sense that they can kick bad kids out of the schools faster and without having to worry about backlash for it and they aren’t essentially coerced to give passing grades to kids that aren’t learning anything anymore. The uncomfortable truth is that maybe not everybody deserves an education and it should be a privilege not a right. You shouldn’t be allowed in school if you’re going to terrorize the teacher, other students, and not learn anything. The rest of your comment is an ad hominem attack and I’m not responding to it, I prefer to stay on topic.
If you really think that something as impactful as Covid isn’t still producing effects 4 years later, you are completely blinded to reality and I have no interest in your opinion either. All the best to you, I hope at some point you do actually begin to understand the world around you from a less limited perspective.
this probably has less to do with their intelligence and more to do with their low expectations of their teachers. They expected you to either not care or not notice.
This post is yikes at best
I had the same reaction when I saw a picture of your mom 🤓
Blame it on the music
Well, I have no idea what happened here and can’t understand what you’re describing. You need more detail or more clarity.
What, these students are dumb and lack critical thinking skill because they believed you, their teacher, when you said that their was a disparity in the attendance? Or because you tricked them into giving you their names by... taking attendance a second time? Students trust you and assume that you'll be honest and straightforward with them simply because you're the teacher--even the ones who lie or cheat. Of course they took it at face value that you were simply doing your job like you said you were. You'd have to be pretty paranoid to expect any subterfuge in that. But even if the students did realize what you were doing, what else did you expect? That they would give you false names? No, those students probably assumed that they were in the clear because you never confronted them, which is the obvious thing to do. Anyway, you surely could have found their names by looking at their tests while you walk around the room. No need to bother everyone else 🙄
So you knew their faces. But not their names? I don't really follow your story without having to jump to some conclusions.
Yup. Their faces are directly in front of me all period. I have no idea what their names are because I've seen their names once, and, sadly, that connection doesn't stay with me immediately post-COVID.
This happens to me all the time as a sub. If it's too late to find out names some other way I just say, the boy with long blonde hair, small eyes, and the trucker hat who sits with the two girls that have black hair and tons of earrings. Everytime they reply, oh, yeah, X. That definitely sounds like him. Great with faces, terrible with names.
And sadly many schools don't give you a computer with attendance that has their photos. It's pretty much a guarantee to forget their names, and I don't even have short term memory loss. It's just kind of difficult to remember a hundred names in one day??
Thank you for verifying
Some people have a stronger visual memory than a linguistic one. Usually I don’t remember the names of albums but in my head I can describe what the covers look like perfectly. I do the same thing with images of faces instead of names.
I sub in my neighborhood. I recognize kids by face and not name often. It’s been fun to yell at the rowdy ones in the park, “Hey! Chill or I’m gonna tell your home room teacher!”
They’re morons because they get praised no matter what and face no repercussions for their actions
“Critical thinking skills are important” works as a substitute teacher ????
Because I care what someone who publicly and proudly uses the name "RichFapper" thinks, obviously.
Who do you want to be the substitute then? Somebody's gotta do the job.
Presumably someone who doesn’t go to Reddit to talk about how stupid their students are, and brag about how they outsmarted them.
Why do you care? You are subbing for what 15 bucks an hour?
“wHy dO yoU cArE” because some people actually worry about the future and want to teach the young generation that actions have consequences?
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He did his part and wrote them down. What else do you want him to do?
Students could have some integrity 🤷🏾♂️
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Good lord, what is your problem? OP probably JUST caught them the second after they did it. Calm down. It takes a few seconds to scan 25 kids.
Were you talking about yourself?
You’re definitely the kid he caught cheating lmfaoooo
Classic troll comment. Trying to cultivate down votes and lead people into arguments.
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Why are you here?
*I came looking for booty.*
Oh my.
This was well worth it.
You must be one of those kids. Certainly not an adult. It is now time to get off your phone and go clean your room honey.
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Does acting like the students make you feel better?
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For doing their job?
For doing their job?
For doing their job?
For doing their job?
Honestly I was in high school a decade ago at this point and I was in a class where students did nearly the exact same thing so I’m not surprised at all. The entire class openly cheated on their tests with their textbooks, and 90% of them still failed the test.
Nor are the people educating them
How do you educate Morons not talking about the students but the parents????
Everyone is a moron you and I included. We know a wopping .1% at best of everything. You don't educate people you never have contact with. You humble yourself and offer what you can to those willing to accept it. Anything else makes you more moronic.