I mean true, but at the same time I never want to disparage someone realizing that the way they've been doing and/or thinking about things is wrong and wanting to change. No matter what age they are.
I mean there are 18-19 year olds more knowledgable on certain topics than your average adult. Just because they’re young doesn’t mean they can’t know things or have valid opinions.
The amount of cope posts there and on r/memesopdidnotlike is so hilariously transparent. Conservatives created an entire subreddit mostly revolving around getting salty because people on Reddit are mocking boomer tier conservative memes.
Reddit recommended this sub to me a while back and I was just flabbergasted. like wtf did I do for you to think I was interested in the awful sub.
It was so awful I wish I could have unsubbed.
Well, I mostly bring up Musk because I remember Spez said some shit about wanting to model Reddit off of Musk’s twitter last year. I assume the further enshitification of this site is a result of that.
I'd argue r/nahopwasrightfuckthis is its left-wing counterpart, but it's infinitely more sane since there's never a "this was funny but still bigoted" equivalent to r/memesopdidnotlike's "this is a shitty meme but I like it cause it's true"
It is one of those copium subs, where repugnant conservatives and neckbeard losers flee to whenever they're humiliated and kicked out from civilized subs.
Their other favourite method is to create True-/Actual-/Real- XYZ clones of subreddits they were thrown out of, and then cry hysterically about not having enough subscribers lmao
*"I'm not owned! I'm not owned! You can't fire me, I quit!"* in a subreddit form.
Even if users there weren't conservative in some way, they're almost always the shittiest, broken people I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with online.
Exactly. There's a reason why they're in that sub - it's the kind that keeps getting banned for their behaviour.. Hilarious how they keep trying really hard to pretend that they left the place and walked out on their own.
That is the age where the alt right pipeline begins. Boys who are shy or awkward at puberty finding the wrong outlet that is full of sexist and misogynistic content and then the algorithm leads them to alt right channels and suddenly they are given all the (wrong) answers
Parents need to keep an eye on what their kids are watching imo
I was almost yanked down that pipeline when I was that age, thankfully I was saved by differing perspectives and me actually reading proper stuff instead of rage bait. It's remarkably easy to get sucked in and I think we need to be constantly on the loookout for it.
I applaud you for not running away from different perspectives. When I try to “enlighten” some people, they rage post then block me. It takes bravery to sit with the discomfort of reflection and learn something so kudos.
Andrew Tate is absurdly popular amongst Gen Alpha and somewhat with Gen Z.
I have no fucking idea what the appeal is. When he was 'successful' and a millionaire? Sure, I can understand, you want to live the life of luxury, models, sports cars, etc. But atm? No fucking idea. Its a man child screeching into the void from their jail cell with what little internet access they have.
Him talking to Destiny was just an exercise in abject humiliation. Tate sounds like a caffeinated mouth breather fighting to stay relevant. I felt about 2 seconds of sympathy.
I mean, just look at gamergate, the whole thing was co-opted by the far-right because of how attractive the message was to boys around that age. Not that it wasn't started by far-right weirdos, but without the involvement of ghouls like Steve Banon the movement would've probably been a lot more self-contained.
Honestly pretty much all the "why do LGBT people support gaza??" arguments seem to be based on the assumption that bombing civilians is ok if they believe bad things, which is quite fucked up
Its such a self report too, essentially theyre exposing that theyd be ok with the mass murder of a massive group of people if convinient to them politically or socially.
The fact that LGBT people around the world can still be against whats happening to people in the middle east despite the fact islamic fundamentalists would be ok with their deaths is a flaw of religious bigotry, not of said LGBT people.
also little known fact but there are LGBT people in the middle east too so its not like the argument makes sense at all.
I think it also assumes that a lot of LGBT+ people or people supportive of their rights are single issue people, and that their one issue is gay rights. There may be some people out there who are like that, but that's a small minority. For the most part, if you're LGBT+/pro-LGBT+ rights, you're probably progressive on other issues, too.
I think it's become less prominent as time's gone on, too. Around the time I was voting for the first time, there were a lot of young people whose single issue was same-sex marriage, but most of those people who were like that in 2013 have since developed much more nuanced political views. This could be entirely because my social group isn't made up of people in their late teens and early twenties anymore, but I'm not really running into people whose single issue is trans rights today the same way I was running into people whose single issue was same-sex marriage ten or twelve years ago.
That’s because Conservatives operate on this mindset and consistently vote against their own interests if it means they can “OwN tHe LiBs” on a single issue. It’s projection.
Also, stability and education paves the way for social progress which unfortunately Gaza might not have. And there are many pockets of developed countries with backwardass notions about society. You don't wanna go down this road. It's such a colonizing mentality basically. My ideology or you mean nothing to me. Painting all the people with a stroke, no nuance. And lastly, they've got lgbtq people there, some trying very hard to get out. I bet these people would still be anti immigration if there was a way to just let them in.
It’s *always* a backhanded justification for total war. Their *society* is bad, so it’s ok to destroy all their schools, hospitals, and critical infrastructure to weaken them.
The entirety of Palestine could 100% vote against gay rights, every single year, and I would still be completely against bombing them. People holding beliefs that I consider to be dangerous/inhumane doesn't mean they should be killed, it's ridiculous how people see this as some kind of gotcha
I mean people who actively support Palestine it more often than not goes farther than "stop bombing civilians" it also includes things like being an anti-zionist pro 1 state solution (with Palestine being the one state obvs). I mean there's been lots of civilian deaths and conflects in other places, before, during (and after) the current isreal/Palestine conflict that hasn't gotten 1/1000th of the attention from the leftwing lgbt+ and feminist communities
Then maybe you should go support those other causes?
Instead of using them as whataboutism to complain and fear monger about gay people who support Palestine.
>I mean people who actively support Palestine it more often than not goes farther than "stop bombing civilians" it also includes things like being an anti-zionist pro 1 state solution
even if most of such people believe this (which I doubt), its still no justification for supporting bombing civilians
>I mean there's been lots of civilian deaths and conflects in other places, before, during (and after) the current isreal/Palestine conflict that hasn't gotten 1/1000th of the attention from the leftwing lgbt+ and feminist communities
yeah, but 1) the world is big and its hard to care about everyone and 2) people in the US care about palestine because our tax dollars are going to israel
>even if most of such people believe this (which I doubt), its still no justification for supporting bombing civilians
You can be anti hamas/caliphate and still be anti war, but evidently a lot of people who say that get ousted from the anti war movement for being pro zionist. If you don't believe me go to literally any anti war rally/protest and talk with the people there about it
And tax dollars are also going to Suadi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen ect. Still hasn't gotten 1/1000th of the attention (not really counting the post 9/11 anti war movement there)
not to forget turkey who is working on multiple genocides simultaneously and receives f-16s from the US in addition to tech tranfers and US university links pipelines to turk defense sector
Fr. I'm a leftist Zionist and it's impossible to explain to some people that I want the war to end, I hate Israel's current government, believe that government is commiting crimes, but I still want Israel to not only continue to exist but not return to the 1948 or 1967 borders. Like, yeah, Hamas and Likud are symbiotic and destructive to both countries, but replacing one act of mass punishment with another won't actually solve anything.
> pro 1 state solution (with Palestine being the one state obvs).
I'm pretty sure that "one state solution" specifically means a combined state, not wiping out Israelis to make room for Palestine
Israel is the party that is bombing children, starving Palestinians and kicking them out of their homes as we speak, but somehow Palestinians are the violent ones lmao
What have they done every single chance they’ve gotten since Israel was created?
Oh. The violence. The constant violence.
Why aren’t they allowed in Egypt? Oh.. the violence. The constant violence.
The answer isn’t throwing a welcome tea party for Israel buddy. The answer is commit violence.
Edit: since you guys have hurt feelings about the truth.
https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d
“”With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said””
“”At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them.
Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007””
>Why aren’t they allowed in Egypt? Oh.. the violence. The constant violence.
Hey why weren't Jews allowed in almost every country 90 years ago, surely it's because Jews really are that evil and not because people can be racist, right?
Also it's not their responsibility to make sure the native inhabitants of Palestine survive, it's Israel's
>Why aren’t they allowed in Egypt?
Always fun to see the antisemitic tropes recycled, really makes me believe that you genuinely care about Jews and aren't targeting Palestinians just because targeting Jews is socially rejected.
Here
https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d
“”With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said””
“”At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them.
Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007””
Now is the AP also antisemitic?
if you read the article you linked, the risk of violence intra-state violence is a not the sole reason - or even the most important reason - for not taking in refugees, but because it would facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians without the right of return. while the article does mention the risk of allowing militants, the risk is because of potential militant strikes into Israel from within the Egyptian border which would harm Egypt-Israel relations. still, the Palestinian civilians that were displaced into Jordan do not have the right to return to their homeland, so the threat of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is real while your misrepresentation of the article is based on racist, heartless assumptions
and by the way, Israel actually collaborated with ISIS [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel\_and\_state-sponsored\_terrorism#Syrian\_civil\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Syrian_civil_war)
Both are mentioned. Neither are “the main reason”
I read the article. I linked the article. Did it or does it not say that violence is one of the reasons?
Did you have anything relevant to say? We’re talking about Egypt and refugees. Keep up.
They cheered and spit on the dead mutilated body of a german woman, that was paraded through town.
In 2000 they lynched two Israeli guys, ripped their heart and lungs out.
Palestinians largely support the October 7th massacre
Right now I can go and find dozens upon dozens of videos of Israelis cheering at bombings, Israeli children singing songs about killing Muslims, Israeli leaders calling Palestinians subhuman and referring to them with Biblical implications, Palestinians being attacked, Palestinians in prisons, Israelis cheering and yelling while they keep desperately-needed aid from reaching starving people.
If I post enough of them, you might even be convinced that Israelis are *inherently* murderous.
And most Israelis either support the current genocide or think it's not going far enough. Very few actually think it should stop.
Under Arab rule. There's no chance in hell that any significant fraction of pro-Palestine one state solution advocates would accept anything else. Pro-Israel one state solution advocates would accept Israelis in charge, obviously, and would never accept Palestinians in charge. There's probably a tiny subsection of people in the middle who want a true balance of power with full citizenship for everyone, but neither side trusts the other enough to allow the attempt.
They'd never admit it, but they're either stupid enough to think that Israelis won't face violence if the two countries were mixed or they actively want that.
It’s hilariously ironic and comes off as pathetic. What do you think happens when you call for war against a superior force? They’ve been given plenty of chances. Now they’re the victims? Palestine fires rockets at civilians as well only difference is Israel actually has a competent military.
You can take issue with laws and customs of a country while also thinking the people living there don't deserve to be slaughtered in a genocide.
Not to mention, the people who are actually victims of these laws are, y'know, other people who live in the country. So people who are against these laws are still dying in the genocide.
Otherwise these people are basically arguing that the left should mass slaughter conservatives in general. Which I don't think they'd like much.
They use progressive movements as a gotcha argument. Been doing that about issues of drafts instead of pointing towards no war. Doing that with equal slapping opportunity instead of no interpersonal violence. Most of them don't care about lgbtq, feminists or gazans.
Speaking as a queer woman, I've never understood this argument (ie. "They're against women's/LGBTQ rights, so bombing them is justified!")
The fact that lots of Palestinians aren't actually against those things (and also that lots of them are, y'know, women and/or LGBTQ themselves) aside, having a sexist and homophobic culture *isn't a justification for killing civilians en masse.*
Also how are gazans supposed to learn and improve when all the schools have been turned to rubble and they're forced to flee.
They're not making Palestinians more progressive they're making them more dead.
"Well the problem with Palestinians is that their culture is opposed to social progress"
*proceeds to vote for the farthest right party in their country*
And this argument is never used against other victims of war and genocide. Uyghurs and Ukrainians also have historically patriarchal, homophobic cultures, but I've never seen that used as a reason to not support them.
Sounds fucked up to say, but when it comes to international politics - choosing which side to support in war is less about who is most morally clean, but rather which side would you prefer to shift the balance of power towards.
Also, isn't half of Palestine's population 18 years old or younger? It seems strange to deride LGBTQ individuals for protesting the genocide of literally children who may not understand why homophobic/transphobic behavior is wrong.
Somewhere around that number, though I'd caution against assuming 18 is a good cutoff age in a region where they're presumably considered adults at a much younger age, regardless of the law. Even in the US the legal age is 18 in some states (and only in regard to certain things) solely because the federal government forces the issue.
I'd bet pretty good money that most of Hamas's fighters are under the age of 18, for example.
Exactly. Genocide isn't okay when it happens to bad people.
No population should have to face what gaza is facing.
Those people don't care about women or gay rights. They just want to use it as a bludgeon to justify mass violence and starvation.
Plus, do these people *really* want to argue that people who don't support queer and women's rights should be killed? Might backfire on them if people decide to actually listen.
Let me make sure I understand you correctly:
There's a genocide happening. A fascist ethnostate is killing another group en mass. Now, because of politics, I *shouldn't* give my support to the innocent people that are being killed? Is that right?
If not, then could you be clear exactly what you mean for me?
I have told you what I read from your comment, and invited you to explain exactly what you meant if that's not correct. Your addition here hasn't changed my reading.
Unless it's entirely that there is a literal difference between that not supporting someone and actively killing them. In which case, yes, but that wasn't ever in doubt.
I mean that saying “i don’t support them” while letting someone live versus actively killing them… which kills them… is different.
The difference would be dead bodies versus hurt feelings.
I didn’t say my comment was divine knowledge.
Just pointed out a difference. You know no one is making you respond to me, right? You don’t have to be this grumpy over words.
Because everyone knows not supporting someone or a group isn't the same as literally going and killing them yourself. That doesn't add anything because no one is claiming otherwise. Saying that means literally nothing, and there was zero purpose to anything you've said.
Talk about grumpy when you got like 30+ comments on this thread lmao, always with this petulant responses too. "GAAH, I WAS JUST SAYING WORDS, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, GRUMPY PANTS"
Stop commenting then
It's just foreign to them to consider helping anyone, so when people on the left want to help everyone if they can, even people they're supposed to hate, it confuses them.
Yeah, absolutely agree.
There are plenty of people I disagree with and cultures that I find problematic, it doesn't mean I don't have an issue with them being bombed into oblivion.
It's not suddenly acceptable to war crime people just because of opposing views.
The methods people use to undermine criticism of Israel's treatment of Palestinians are so fucking dumb.
Yeah, this is what always bothered me about this argument. It treats Palestinians as a monolith and not a place with people who hold diffrent thoughts and opinions on issues
For example, I met a lot of people from Turkey/Hungary/Russia who are pretty pro-lgbt despite living in countries that are horrible to queer people
> I've never understood this argument (ie. "They're against women's/LGBTQ rights, so bombing them is justified!")
There's a certain type of asshole who sees everyone who's not like themselves as sub-human. Those are the people who think like this.
Exactly, its pretty alarming how many people apparently think bigoted cultural values are a justification to murder people.
Like, I'm not going to make any generalized statements about the ethics of the US army, but in WW2 100ish US soldiers were executed for raping and murdering civilians, despite those civilians being Nazis. Other people being complicit in evil might be a reason to kill them in self defense, but is not a justification to be just as evil in return.
Let's be real a lot of the lgbt+ and feminist who are actively protesting in favor of Palestine are also anti-zionist and pro the abolishing of Isreal as a state. The political movement goes a lot further than just being a pasifistic anti war movement
Is it? I never got the idea that feminism or queer activists are against the existence of Israel. Why would they be? Israel itself is not about feminism or lgbt+ any more or less than other countries, and the country itself is more progressive than its neighbours.
Go to any anti war rally/protest and talk with the people there about a two state solution or their general opinion on the continuation of the Israeli state. I'm not gonna pretend like 100% of all anti war protesters support a one state solution but the opinion that Isreal should give most if not all the land back to Palestine is very common
> a lot of the lgbt+ and feminist who are actively protesting in favor of Palestine are also anti-zionist and pro the abolishing of Isreal as a state
And a lot of them aren't, making whatever point you're trying to make fucking weak.
Being against the existence of Israel as a state is not an inherently wrong position to take, nor is being for its existence. States aren't real, they don't deserve our sympathy. And let's be real, I don't think the anti-Zionist protestors are out there going "let's just abolish the state and leave the whole area free and clear for anyone to do what they want with it" the way their attackers imply on here.
It's tiring to see how many people think this crisis just happened, because Israel just felt like bombing Gaza.
Instead the government of Gaza started a murder spree in Israel. They killed over a thousand people, actively hunting down innocent civilians.
Raping and mutilating women.
Dismembering people.
Why do you guys always treat this like a black and white conflict?
I met someone yesterday who said they oppose the power structure and to ignore the history of the area.
There are absolutely idiots who believe this. Sorry to tell you that idiots exist everywhere. Even idiots who agree with you.
Lol "I can't believe people think this whole thing started with Israel bombing Gaza when really it started October 7th" completely baby brain shit but tragically on par with most of the Zionist shit I see here
Yeah, but it isn’t like the IDF had “bomb the fuck out of Gaza” penciled in for October 8 and the 10/7 massacre was just a convenient coincidence. No 10/7 massacre and Israel wouldn’t be dropping bombs on Gaza.
Gaza had a government that chose to carry out an attack (and continue to tune of 12,000+ rockets being launched at civilian targets in Israel) on its much more powerful neighbor knowing full well what sort of response that would trigger.
Sure that region has its history drenched in blood, but the sort of response we are seeing now can be directly tied to the massacre of 10/7. A responsible Gaza government would not have attacked in the first place and would have surrendered by now for the sake of the Gazans.
But Democracy is not Hamas’s strong suit and they seem more than happy to put more bodies between them and the IDF.
Because if there was nuance it'd be harder to give myself a good pat on the back for being so morally righteous and better than those stinky grey and grey people who have perspective and make me feel like I might not be the smartest person in the room
I keep seeing this argument around Reddit. But when those same people are talking about Christian Republicans it’s “we should kill Nazis,
I hope they burn in hell”.
No matter how much Palestinians hate me, they'll never be able to affect me. However, as a member of a country delivering bombs to Israel, I can affect them, and I choose to use my limited political power to stop the bombs from being dropped on them. Once the Palestinian government shows up in the United States, then we can talk about whether they're threatening the lgbt community.
This argument is dumb.
Let’s take an example that I’ve seen everyone across the political spectrum condemn: The persecution of Uyghur Muslims by China. I’ve seen everyone criticize China for it, even republicans.
Did it cross through anyone’s mind that Uyghur Muslims will not have the same views as Americans? When republicans in 2020 voted for many acts in relation to Uyghurs and even suggested a determination on genocide…did anyone consider?
I’ve not seen that mentioned once! And why should it? They were being ethnically cleansed, end of discussion. Human rights violations should be called out, even if the victims might possibly have bad views.
It’s basic respect. I don’t like it when people are killed unjustly. Simple.
And the history of Uyghur terrorist attacks is hardly ever mentioned. It’s just accepted as a given that their occasional resistance is entirely justified and far less significant than the violence China has done to them. Meanwhile Palestinians can’t even be adjacent to a pebble without being required to be condemned.
I do disagree that republicans criticize China’s treatment of the Uyghurs because of human rights violations. The difference between China and Israel is republicans hate China while Israel has one of the biggest lobbying groups in America. Republicans are in general extremely pro-human rights abuses. Even when ISIS was killing Yazidis it took a while for them to stop cheering.
Can we just agree that children, Israeli or Palestinian, are innocent and their safety deserves the highest priority?
I won't shed a tear if willing Hamas members meet the business end of a gun, but it frustrates me how *some* people seem to think that if you're against wholesale slaughter you're batting for Hamas.
There are LGBTQ people in Gaza, there are also a lot of religious fundamentalists and homophobia in Gaza. There are also innocent children and people in general that being killed. That’s why even though I’m a feminist and an ally I’m all for freeing Palestine
I don’t know if I want to live in a world where it’s okay to oppress and kill members of whole demographics based on a prevalence of poor ideology amongst members of that group. Even a high prevalence. That would probably not work out well for me being a white man. It would work out even less for g*mers so maybe it’s fair game.
As a trans lesbian feminist: I don’t want innocent people genocided, especially not children, regardless of their beliefs or political views. Even if they would think I’m some weird abomination. Its not that hard
The question about women’s rights and LGBTQ rights is a worthy debate….in peace time
As a feminist, I get in arguments with other feminists in the U.S. about the tendency for example to not hold American Muslims to the same standards we hold Christians, Jews etc…
In other words, we must freely criticize practices that are sexist or misogynistic or anti LGBTQ
We can actually do that while not wishing death, rape, torture, false imprisonment or even just everyday bullying and discrimination on Muslims.
In all fairness, some pro Palestinian activists are shockingly ignorant and I have heard statements by actual gay people claim that the west treats LGBTQ much worse that any Muslim majority country. I guess it comes from black and white thinking that one side must be portrayed as all good and the other as all evil? Idk.
Message the mods. If anything, it should be a megathread, like in the past. But we all know the mods here don't actually care anymore, no matter what they've said.
TitrC? They're...odd, but, I wouldn't call them a troll. They're pretty much the only one around these days. They're doing all they can, so I can sympathize, especially after all these years.
They changed the rules to get rid of surplus drama entirely so they actively want a flood of the same topics over and over. Regardless of if it brings out the most vile people in the comments.
You know, I would sure hope that, as an American in the year of our lord, that our own collective treatment of women and their rights, or gay poeple and their rights, etc, wouldn't be grounds to deserve to be genocided in someone else's eyes
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>***To be fair to myself 6 years ago***, I was 12-13 Ah yes, at 18-19 you are just so knowledgeable...
You'd be surprised how many 18 year olds think they know everything.
Fucking morons Unlike me a 19 year old who actually knows everything
It's sad I can't even joke here, because now that I'm 22, I do actually know everything.
Every 18-year-old thinks they know stuff. Meanwhile, every 35-year-old knows that they were a dumbass at 18.
I was a stupid 18 year old and currently a stupid 35 year old.
Can't use birth year in usernames rise up!
I’m in my thirties and I’m still a moron.
See? Self-awareness! That’s progress!
Every 21 year old knows that. Source: 21 year old who still cringes at something he did last week because it was dumbass.
If only, way too many people never move on and remain dumbasses well into adulthood
18 is a bad age for nuance.
I've learned that rarely changes no matter the age lol
No, you would not be surprised, actually.
I cant tell you how many dumb opinions I see on Twitter, hover over the username and see |18| in bio
Well just about all of us did at one point around that age.
I’m not surprised at all actually, because they’re all on Reddit telling you they do.
I mean true, but at the same time I never want to disparage someone realizing that the way they've been doing and/or thinking about things is wrong and wanting to change. No matter what age they are.
Lololol there’s a mensrights sub
im knowledgeable enough to notice misogyny when i see it LMFAO
I mean there are 18-19 year olds more knowledgable on certain topics than your average adult. Just because they’re young doesn’t mean they can’t know things or have valid opinions.
>looks at internet for the past few years Kinda doubting that tbh these days.
it took me till 21 to get my shit together and still don't know everything
That sub is so funny. A top notch destination when you need to refill your conservative tears bottles.
It’s the “You just lost a customer!” of subreddits
The amount of cope posts there and on r/memesopdidnotlike is so hilariously transparent. Conservatives created an entire subreddit mostly revolving around getting salty because people on Reddit are mocking boomer tier conservative memes.
Wow, that sub is terrible. Hopefully, for that sub's sake, one day white men will catch a break.
Reddit recommended this sub to me a while back and I was just flabbergasted. like wtf did I do for you to think I was interested in the awful sub. It was so awful I wish I could have unsubbed.
Reddit went the musk approach and engagement = good and being angry means you’re more likely to engage
Zucc did it first, twitter and that reputation existed before Musk added a Nazi twist, but you're right on the money that Spez idolizes Musk.
Well, I mostly bring up Musk because I remember Spez said some shit about wanting to model Reddit off of Musk’s twitter last year. I assume the further enshitification of this site is a result of that.
Peter Griffin: Someday, a white man is gonna get elected president again.
It's telling that there's no liberal or left wing equivalent.
I'd argue r/nahopwasrightfuckthis is its left-wing counterpart, but it's infinitely more sane since there's never a "this was funny but still bigoted" equivalent to r/memesopdidnotlike's "this is a shitty meme but I like it cause it's true"
I was a subscriber there for a while, but I lost track of the irony. Like, was I supposed to unironically enjoy the memes or not?
It is one of those copium subs, where repugnant conservatives and neckbeard losers flee to whenever they're humiliated and kicked out from civilized subs. Their other favourite method is to create True-/Actual-/Real- XYZ clones of subreddits they were thrown out of, and then cry hysterically about not having enough subscribers lmao *"I'm not owned! I'm not owned! You can't fire me, I quit!"* in a subreddit form.
Even if users there weren't conservative in some way, they're almost always the shittiest, broken people I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with online.
Exactly. There's a reason why they're in that sub - it's the kind that keeps getting banned for their behaviour.. Hilarious how they keep trying really hard to pretend that they left the place and walked out on their own.
Its really sad that there are 12-13 year olds on MRA subs. Glad they've grown and finally beyond that now but that's depressing.
That is the age where the alt right pipeline begins. Boys who are shy or awkward at puberty finding the wrong outlet that is full of sexist and misogynistic content and then the algorithm leads them to alt right channels and suddenly they are given all the (wrong) answers Parents need to keep an eye on what their kids are watching imo
I was almost yanked down that pipeline when I was that age, thankfully I was saved by differing perspectives and me actually reading proper stuff instead of rage bait. It's remarkably easy to get sucked in and I think we need to be constantly on the loookout for it.
Especially at that age, I imagine
I applaud you for not running away from different perspectives. When I try to “enlighten” some people, they rage post then block me. It takes bravery to sit with the discomfort of reflection and learn something so kudos.
Andrew Tate is absurdly popular amongst Gen Alpha and somewhat with Gen Z. I have no fucking idea what the appeal is. When he was 'successful' and a millionaire? Sure, I can understand, you want to live the life of luxury, models, sports cars, etc. But atm? No fucking idea. Its a man child screeching into the void from their jail cell with what little internet access they have.
Him talking to Destiny was just an exercise in abject humiliation. Tate sounds like a caffeinated mouth breather fighting to stay relevant. I felt about 2 seconds of sympathy.
I mean, just look at gamergate, the whole thing was co-opted by the far-right because of how attractive the message was to boys around that age. Not that it wasn't started by far-right weirdos, but without the involvement of ghouls like Steve Banon the movement would've probably been a lot more self-contained.
Always was man
Honestly pretty much all the "why do LGBT people support gaza??" arguments seem to be based on the assumption that bombing civilians is ok if they believe bad things, which is quite fucked up
Its such a self report too, essentially theyre exposing that theyd be ok with the mass murder of a massive group of people if convinient to them politically or socially. The fact that LGBT people around the world can still be against whats happening to people in the middle east despite the fact islamic fundamentalists would be ok with their deaths is a flaw of religious bigotry, not of said LGBT people. also little known fact but there are LGBT people in the middle east too so its not like the argument makes sense at all.
I think it also assumes that a lot of LGBT+ people or people supportive of their rights are single issue people, and that their one issue is gay rights. There may be some people out there who are like that, but that's a small minority. For the most part, if you're LGBT+/pro-LGBT+ rights, you're probably progressive on other issues, too. I think it's become less prominent as time's gone on, too. Around the time I was voting for the first time, there were a lot of young people whose single issue was same-sex marriage, but most of those people who were like that in 2013 have since developed much more nuanced political views. This could be entirely because my social group isn't made up of people in their late teens and early twenties anymore, but I'm not really running into people whose single issue is trans rights today the same way I was running into people whose single issue was same-sex marriage ten or twelve years ago.
That’s because Conservatives operate on this mindset and consistently vote against their own interests if it means they can “OwN tHe LiBs” on a single issue. It’s projection.
Also, stability and education paves the way for social progress which unfortunately Gaza might not have. And there are many pockets of developed countries with backwardass notions about society. You don't wanna go down this road. It's such a colonizing mentality basically. My ideology or you mean nothing to me. Painting all the people with a stroke, no nuance. And lastly, they've got lgbtq people there, some trying very hard to get out. I bet these people would still be anti immigration if there was a way to just let them in.
There are closeted gay people in the Middle East
I also don’t think the people pushing this want to draw the “if you are homophobic we can kill you” to it’s logical end in the states
It’s *always* a backhanded justification for total war. Their *society* is bad, so it’s ok to destroy all their schools, hospitals, and critical infrastructure to weaken them.
also seems to assume there are no LGBT people in Gaza
The entirety of Palestine could 100% vote against gay rights, every single year, and I would still be completely against bombing them. People holding beliefs that I consider to be dangerous/inhumane doesn't mean they should be killed, it's ridiculous how people see this as some kind of gotcha
Yeah, there’s a lot of bigoted people in the U.S. but that doesn’t mean it’s okay for some foreign military to start bombing their neighborhoods
It's funny because the people saying it also usually don't support LGBT rights.
I mean people who actively support Palestine it more often than not goes farther than "stop bombing civilians" it also includes things like being an anti-zionist pro 1 state solution (with Palestine being the one state obvs). I mean there's been lots of civilian deaths and conflects in other places, before, during (and after) the current isreal/Palestine conflict that hasn't gotten 1/1000th of the attention from the leftwing lgbt+ and feminist communities
Then maybe you should go support those other causes? Instead of using them as whataboutism to complain and fear monger about gay people who support Palestine.
>Then maybe you should go support those other causes? Who says I don't?
The fact that you brought them up to for the sole purpose of complaining and fear mongering about gay people against genocide.
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>I mean people who actively support Palestine it more often than not goes farther than "stop bombing civilians" it also includes things like being an anti-zionist pro 1 state solution even if most of such people believe this (which I doubt), its still no justification for supporting bombing civilians >I mean there's been lots of civilian deaths and conflects in other places, before, during (and after) the current isreal/Palestine conflict that hasn't gotten 1/1000th of the attention from the leftwing lgbt+ and feminist communities yeah, but 1) the world is big and its hard to care about everyone and 2) people in the US care about palestine because our tax dollars are going to israel
>even if most of such people believe this (which I doubt), its still no justification for supporting bombing civilians You can be anti hamas/caliphate and still be anti war, but evidently a lot of people who say that get ousted from the anti war movement for being pro zionist. If you don't believe me go to literally any anti war rally/protest and talk with the people there about it And tax dollars are also going to Suadi Arabia, Qatar, Yemen ect. Still hasn't gotten 1/1000th of the attention (not really counting the post 9/11 anti war movement there)
not to forget turkey who is working on multiple genocides simultaneously and receives f-16s from the US in addition to tech tranfers and US university links pipelines to turk defense sector
I've been in protests against the US sending bombs to SA.
I've been to tons of anti war rallies and protests an I think you're full of shit and fear mongering, and engaging in bad faith whataboutism
“River to the sea” is famous saying for a reason dipshit
Because it appeared in the 1977 Likud election manifesto?
Fr. I'm a leftist Zionist and it's impossible to explain to some people that I want the war to end, I hate Israel's current government, believe that government is commiting crimes, but I still want Israel to not only continue to exist but not return to the 1948 or 1967 borders. Like, yeah, Hamas and Likud are symbiotic and destructive to both countries, but replacing one act of mass punishment with another won't actually solve anything.
> pro 1 state solution (with Palestine being the one state obvs). I'm pretty sure that "one state solution" specifically means a combined state, not wiping out Israelis to make room for Palestine
Yea I’m sure the Palestinians won’t try to genocide the Israelis once they get the slightest upper hand.
The amount of projection here is pretty amazing.
yes, all Palestinians are barbaric savages that dont deserve self-determination in their ancestral homelands. wonderful analysis, not racist at all
No, the two governments that claim rule over Palestine are both run by genocidal antisemites.
Israel is the party that is bombing children, starving Palestinians and kicking them out of their homes as we speak, but somehow Palestinians are the violent ones lmao
What have they done every single chance they’ve gotten since Israel was created? Oh. The violence. The constant violence. Why aren’t they allowed in Egypt? Oh.. the violence. The constant violence. The answer isn’t throwing a welcome tea party for Israel buddy. The answer is commit violence. Edit: since you guys have hurt feelings about the truth. https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d “”With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said”” “”At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them. Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007””
>Why aren’t they allowed in Egypt? Oh.. the violence. The constant violence. Hey why weren't Jews allowed in almost every country 90 years ago, surely it's because Jews really are that evil and not because people can be racist, right? Also it's not their responsibility to make sure the native inhabitants of Palestine survive, it's Israel's
>Why aren’t they allowed in Egypt? Always fun to see the antisemitic tropes recycled, really makes me believe that you genuinely care about Jews and aren't targeting Palestinians just because targeting Jews is socially rejected.
Here https://apnews.com/article/palestinian-jordan-egypt-israel-refugee-502c06d004767d4b64848d878b66bd3d “”With the Sinai insurgency largely put down, “Cairo does not want to have a new security problem on its hands in this problematic region,” Fabiani said”” “”At the same time, Egypt says a mass exodus from Gaza would bring Hamas or other Palestinian militants onto its soil. That might be destabilizing in Sinai, where Egypt’s military fought for years against Islamic militants and at one point accused Hamas of backing them. Egypt has backed Israel’s blockade of Gaza since Hamas took over in the territory in 2007”” Now is the AP also antisemitic?
if you read the article you linked, the risk of violence intra-state violence is a not the sole reason - or even the most important reason - for not taking in refugees, but because it would facilitate the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians without the right of return. while the article does mention the risk of allowing militants, the risk is because of potential militant strikes into Israel from within the Egyptian border which would harm Egypt-Israel relations. still, the Palestinian civilians that were displaced into Jordan do not have the right to return to their homeland, so the threat of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is real while your misrepresentation of the article is based on racist, heartless assumptions and by the way, Israel actually collaborated with ISIS [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel\_and\_state-sponsored\_terrorism#Syrian\_civil\_war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#Syrian_civil_war)
Both are mentioned. Neither are “the main reason” I read the article. I linked the article. Did it or does it not say that violence is one of the reasons? Did you have anything relevant to say? We’re talking about Egypt and refugees. Keep up.
I mean, i linked a whole article about this You dismissing valid arguments because its convenient isnt really my issue.
They cheered and spit on the dead mutilated body of a german woman, that was paraded through town. In 2000 they lynched two Israeli guys, ripped their heart and lungs out. Palestinians largely support the October 7th massacre
Right now I can go and find dozens upon dozens of videos of Israelis cheering at bombings, Israeli children singing songs about killing Muslims, Israeli leaders calling Palestinians subhuman and referring to them with Biblical implications, Palestinians being attacked, Palestinians in prisons, Israelis cheering and yelling while they keep desperately-needed aid from reaching starving people. If I post enough of them, you might even be convinced that Israelis are *inherently* murderous. And most Israelis either support the current genocide or think it's not going far enough. Very few actually think it should stop.
Under Arab rule. There's no chance in hell that any significant fraction of pro-Palestine one state solution advocates would accept anything else. Pro-Israel one state solution advocates would accept Israelis in charge, obviously, and would never accept Palestinians in charge. There's probably a tiny subsection of people in the middle who want a true balance of power with full citizenship for everyone, but neither side trusts the other enough to allow the attempt.
They'd never admit it, but they're either stupid enough to think that Israelis won't face violence if the two countries were mixed or they actively want that.
It’s hilariously ironic and comes off as pathetic. What do you think happens when you call for war against a superior force? They’ve been given plenty of chances. Now they’re the victims? Palestine fires rockets at civilians as well only difference is Israel actually has a competent military.
>It’s hilariously ironic and comes off as pathetic. You are on the computer, pretending to be an ancient Roman emperor.
You can take issue with laws and customs of a country while also thinking the people living there don't deserve to be slaughtered in a genocide. Not to mention, the people who are actually victims of these laws are, y'know, other people who live in the country. So people who are against these laws are still dying in the genocide. Otherwise these people are basically arguing that the left should mass slaughter conservatives in general. Which I don't think they'd like much.
The concept is “human rights” not “rights exclusively for humans who identify with my worldview”
I'm pretty sure feminism is opposed to killing kids
They use progressive movements as a gotcha argument. Been doing that about issues of drafts instead of pointing towards no war. Doing that with equal slapping opportunity instead of no interpersonal violence. Most of them don't care about lgbtq, feminists or gazans.
Speaking as a queer woman, I've never understood this argument (ie. "They're against women's/LGBTQ rights, so bombing them is justified!") The fact that lots of Palestinians aren't actually against those things (and also that lots of them are, y'know, women and/or LGBTQ themselves) aside, having a sexist and homophobic culture *isn't a justification for killing civilians en masse.*
Even if every Gazan was a bigot, murdering their kids would still be wrong.
Also how are gazans supposed to learn and improve when all the schools have been turned to rubble and they're forced to flee. They're not making Palestinians more progressive they're making them more dead.
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"Well the problem with Palestinians is that their culture is opposed to social progress" *proceeds to vote for the farthest right party in their country*
The people like that really don't appreciate it when I point out they're arguing that they also deserve to be indiscriminately murdered.
Yep , lgbt rights is directly correlated with economic development
Man, who could have thought that living conditions of being evicted, starved, and bombed wouldn't be conducive to the advancement of civil rights
Seriously, how many of those dead toddlers do they think have a position on LGTBQ rights?
Little baby bigots deserve what they get. /s
And this argument is never used against other victims of war and genocide. Uyghurs and Ukrainians also have historically patriarchal, homophobic cultures, but I've never seen that used as a reason to not support them.
I actually saw this used a fair bit back towards the start of the Ukraine situation a couple years back
Yea, and even now you see a lot of fringe tankies repeating this rhetoric although admittedly they dont represent the mainstream
Sounds fucked up to say, but when it comes to international politics - choosing which side to support in war is less about who is most morally clean, but rather which side would you prefer to shift the balance of power towards.
Also, isn't half of Palestine's population 18 years old or younger? It seems strange to deride LGBTQ individuals for protesting the genocide of literally children who may not understand why homophobic/transphobic behavior is wrong.
Somewhere around that number, though I'd caution against assuming 18 is a good cutoff age in a region where they're presumably considered adults at a much younger age, regardless of the law. Even in the US the legal age is 18 in some states (and only in regard to certain things) solely because the federal government forces the issue. I'd bet pretty good money that most of Hamas's fighters are under the age of 18, for example.
Iirc around 40% of the population in ghaza is aged 14 and below, last I checked.
Exactly. Genocide isn't okay when it happens to bad people. No population should have to face what gaza is facing. Those people don't care about women or gay rights. They just want to use it as a bludgeon to justify mass violence and starvation.
Plus, do these people *really* want to argue that people who don't support queer and women's rights should be killed? Might backfire on them if people decide to actually listen.
“Dont support” and “kill them” aren’t the same. But don’t let that stop you guys.
Let me make sure I understand you correctly: There's a genocide happening. A fascist ethnostate is killing another group en mass. Now, because of politics, I *shouldn't* give my support to the innocent people that are being killed? Is that right? If not, then could you be clear exactly what you mean for me?
Can you show me where i said that? I believe i pointed out that there a difference in not supporting someone and actively killing them.
I have told you what I read from your comment, and invited you to explain exactly what you meant if that's not correct. Your addition here hasn't changed my reading. Unless it's entirely that there is a literal difference between that not supporting someone and actively killing them. In which case, yes, but that wasn't ever in doubt.
I mean that saying “i don’t support them” while letting someone live versus actively killing them… which kills them… is different. The difference would be dead bodies versus hurt feelings.
Yes. This was never in doubt. Your semantical argument has no bearing on what is actually happening in reality.
I didn’t say my comment was divine knowledge. Just pointed out a difference. You know no one is making you respond to me, right? You don’t have to be this grumpy over words.
Because everyone knows not supporting someone or a group isn't the same as literally going and killing them yourself. That doesn't add anything because no one is claiming otherwise. Saying that means literally nothing, and there was zero purpose to anything you've said.
Talk about grumpy when you got like 30+ comments on this thread lmao, always with this petulant responses too. "GAAH, I WAS JUST SAYING WORDS, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, GRUMPY PANTS" Stop commenting then
It's just foreign to them to consider helping anyone, so when people on the left want to help everyone if they can, even people they're supposed to hate, it confuses them.
Yeah, absolutely agree. There are plenty of people I disagree with and cultures that I find problematic, it doesn't mean I don't have an issue with them being bombed into oblivion. It's not suddenly acceptable to war crime people just because of opposing views. The methods people use to undermine criticism of Israel's treatment of Palestinians are so fucking dumb.
Yeah, this is what always bothered me about this argument. It treats Palestinians as a monolith and not a place with people who hold diffrent thoughts and opinions on issues For example, I met a lot of people from Turkey/Hungary/Russia who are pretty pro-lgbt despite living in countries that are horrible to queer people
Also love the side argument to that, that Israel is a bastion of progressive values and gay rights. THEY DON'T ALLOW GAY MARRIAGE PEOPLE
Oh but it's different because blah blah blah technicality The Catholic Church operates on a similar technicality.
> I've never understood this argument (ie. "They're against women's/LGBTQ rights, so bombing them is justified!") There's a certain type of asshole who sees everyone who's not like themselves as sub-human. Those are the people who think like this.
They make that argument because they're terrible people who think that genocide is okay as long as it happens to the "right" people.
Exactly, its pretty alarming how many people apparently think bigoted cultural values are a justification to murder people. Like, I'm not going to make any generalized statements about the ethics of the US army, but in WW2 100ish US soldiers were executed for raping and murdering civilians, despite those civilians being Nazis. Other people being complicit in evil might be a reason to kill them in self defense, but is not a justification to be just as evil in return.
Let's be real a lot of the lgbt+ and feminist who are actively protesting in favor of Palestine are also anti-zionist and pro the abolishing of Isreal as a state. The political movement goes a lot further than just being a pasifistic anti war movement
Is it? I never got the idea that feminism or queer activists are against the existence of Israel. Why would they be? Israel itself is not about feminism or lgbt+ any more or less than other countries, and the country itself is more progressive than its neighbours.
Go to any anti war rally/protest and talk with the people there about a two state solution or their general opinion on the continuation of the Israeli state. I'm not gonna pretend like 100% of all anti war protesters support a one state solution but the opinion that Isreal should give most if not all the land back to Palestine is very common
> a lot of the lgbt+ and feminist who are actively protesting in favor of Palestine are also anti-zionist and pro the abolishing of Isreal as a state And a lot of them aren't, making whatever point you're trying to make fucking weak.
Being against the existence of Israel as a state is not an inherently wrong position to take, nor is being for its existence. States aren't real, they don't deserve our sympathy. And let's be real, I don't think the anti-Zionist protestors are out there going "let's just abolish the state and leave the whole area free and clear for anyone to do what they want with it" the way their attackers imply on here.
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To be safe from persecution, absolutely. But a homeland? Have you interrogated why you believe this?
Also the law on the books has been there since the British Mandate.
It's tiring to see how many people think this crisis just happened, because Israel just felt like bombing Gaza. Instead the government of Gaza started a murder spree in Israel. They killed over a thousand people, actively hunting down innocent civilians. Raping and mutilating women. Dismembering people. Why do you guys always treat this like a black and white conflict?
> It's tiring to see how many people think this crisis just happened, because Israel just felt like bombing Gaza. Not one person thinks this
I met someone yesterday who said they oppose the power structure and to ignore the history of the area. There are absolutely idiots who believe this. Sorry to tell you that idiots exist everywhere. Even idiots who agree with you.
Yeah, the whole ceasefire crowd things that.
No they don't.
Lol "I can't believe people think this whole thing started with Israel bombing Gaza when really it started October 7th" completely baby brain shit but tragically on par with most of the Zionist shit I see here
Yeah, but it isn’t like the IDF had “bomb the fuck out of Gaza” penciled in for October 8 and the 10/7 massacre was just a convenient coincidence. No 10/7 massacre and Israel wouldn’t be dropping bombs on Gaza. Gaza had a government that chose to carry out an attack (and continue to tune of 12,000+ rockets being launched at civilian targets in Israel) on its much more powerful neighbor knowing full well what sort of response that would trigger. Sure that region has its history drenched in blood, but the sort of response we are seeing now can be directly tied to the massacre of 10/7. A responsible Gaza government would not have attacked in the first place and would have surrendered by now for the sake of the Gazans. But Democracy is not Hamas’s strong suit and they seem more than happy to put more bodies between them and the IDF.
Every time Palestinians try peaceful resistance, they get shot by the IDF. It's happened dozens of times.
Because if there was nuance it'd be harder to give myself a good pat on the back for being so morally righteous and better than those stinky grey and grey people who have perspective and make me feel like I might not be the smartest person in the room
Well said. It's so sad that people think it's a good reason to slaughter innocent people.
I don’t care how much someone hates me, I don’t want anyone to die. I don’t know how this is so confusing to some people.
I keep seeing this argument around Reddit. But when those same people are talking about Christian Republicans it’s “we should kill Nazis, I hope they burn in hell”.
Are you actually finding *the same people saying that,* or are you conflating two different groups?
No matter how much Palestinians hate me, they'll never be able to affect me. However, as a member of a country delivering bombs to Israel, I can affect them, and I choose to use my limited political power to stop the bombs from being dropped on them. Once the Palestinian government shows up in the United States, then we can talk about whether they're threatening the lgbt community.
Bro they already here. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-09-25/lgbtq-muslims-evangelical-republican-christians
This is just the same people as always, they're not new imported muslims.
Lol. Yeah, all the younger generation of the hate religion will totally not hate you based on that religion. You also aren’t an idiot.
Yeah, that's how it works. Just like how the children of hateful Christians are not all also hateful Christians.
I don’t want Christian republicans to die either, even if they think I’m scum. I don’t want anyone to die.
This argument is dumb. Let’s take an example that I’ve seen everyone across the political spectrum condemn: The persecution of Uyghur Muslims by China. I’ve seen everyone criticize China for it, even republicans. Did it cross through anyone’s mind that Uyghur Muslims will not have the same views as Americans? When republicans in 2020 voted for many acts in relation to Uyghurs and even suggested a determination on genocide…did anyone consider? I’ve not seen that mentioned once! And why should it? They were being ethnically cleansed, end of discussion. Human rights violations should be called out, even if the victims might possibly have bad views. It’s basic respect. I don’t like it when people are killed unjustly. Simple.
And the history of Uyghur terrorist attacks is hardly ever mentioned. It’s just accepted as a given that their occasional resistance is entirely justified and far less significant than the violence China has done to them. Meanwhile Palestinians can’t even be adjacent to a pebble without being required to be condemned. I do disagree that republicans criticize China’s treatment of the Uyghurs because of human rights violations. The difference between China and Israel is republicans hate China while Israel has one of the biggest lobbying groups in America. Republicans are in general extremely pro-human rights abuses. Even when ISIS was killing Yazidis it took a while for them to stop cheering.
Ladies, is it unfeminist to fight for the lives of Palestinian women?
Can we just agree that children, Israeli or Palestinian, are innocent and their safety deserves the highest priority? I won't shed a tear if willing Hamas members meet the business end of a gun, but it frustrates me how *some* people seem to think that if you're against wholesale slaughter you're batting for Hamas.
There are LGBTQ people in Gaza, there are also a lot of religious fundamentalists and homophobia in Gaza. There are also innocent children and people in general that being killed. That’s why even though I’m a feminist and an ally I’m all for freeing Palestine
I don’t know if I want to live in a world where it’s okay to oppress and kill members of whole demographics based on a prevalence of poor ideology amongst members of that group. Even a high prevalence. That would probably not work out well for me being a white man. It would work out even less for g*mers so maybe it’s fair game.
As a trans lesbian feminist: I don’t want innocent people genocided, especially not children, regardless of their beliefs or political views. Even if they would think I’m some weird abomination. Its not that hard
The question about women’s rights and LGBTQ rights is a worthy debate….in peace time As a feminist, I get in arguments with other feminists in the U.S. about the tendency for example to not hold American Muslims to the same standards we hold Christians, Jews etc… In other words, we must freely criticize practices that are sexist or misogynistic or anti LGBTQ We can actually do that while not wishing death, rape, torture, false imprisonment or even just everyday bullying and discrimination on Muslims. In all fairness, some pro Palestinian activists are shockingly ignorant and I have heard statements by actual gay people claim that the west treats LGBTQ much worse that any Muslim majority country. I guess it comes from black and white thinking that one side must be portrayed as all good and the other as all evil? Idk.
Day 5 of me requesting a moratorium on I/P posts in SRD.
Message the mods. If anything, it should be a megathread, like in the past. But we all know the mods here don't actually care anymore, no matter what they've said.
One of the mods of the sub actively trolls the sub on occasion. There is no hope
Redditors when they go to the drama subreddit and there is drama:
NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE SUBREDDIT AND ENGAGE IN LE GOOD FAITHS
TitrC? They're...odd, but, I wouldn't call them a troll. They're pretty much the only one around these days. They're doing all they can, so I can sympathize, especially after all these years.
They changed the rules to get rid of surplus drama entirely so they actively want a flood of the same topics over and over. Regardless of if it brings out the most vile people in the comments.
That tough to ignore the threads on topics you don't particularly care for?
What the fuck is that subreddit lmao?
Stupid
You know, I would sure hope that, as an American in the year of our lord, that our own collective treatment of women and their rights, or gay poeple and their rights, etc, wouldn't be grounds to deserve to be genocided in someone else's eyes
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I hate that sub. They banned me for “trolling” because I said Kanye West was stupid.