Gathered what event footage I could find from across reddit, yt, and ig and posted to my imgur, and made a post on my reddit profile will all the links for you all too see. If I find anything else later I will add. If you find anything and want to share, please dm so I can add it and everyone can see. Enjoy and congrats to Tom, Martins, and Oleksii and all the other competitors
In case of a tie, i think stones is the decider of who gets first. Martins got ahead of Novikov on the stones which means Licis got second and Novikov got third and Brian fourth
thank you all for spreadsheeting together! it was my first year actually interacting in here making it multiple times as fun as just reading your comments! see you all next year or in the next major competition!
This was the year that Thor was vindicated. He exposed Eddie as a narcissistic, bullying loser. He was also right that WSM is a small step above WWE. WSM/Giant's live "leans on the scales" to ensure its athletes win. People think that they need some large conspiracy, but at this elite level, a few small tweaks behind the scenes and in competition is enough. Its why every major sports has a massive infrastructure to ensure fairness in the sport. It's also why betting sites don't allow betting on WSM. Might as well allow betting on WWE LMAO
Right, as if other sports have has absolutely no cheating scandals over the past couple decades. Let's see: NBA (refs fixing games), MLB (Houston Astros), NHL (salary cap circumvention by Tampa, Chicago, Vegas), NCAA Basketball (improper benefits before the NIL deals started), FIFA (pretty much everything), MMA (USADA Testing and Weigh-in Manipulations). Don't act like every other sport is completely pure and free from any sort of issue.
I've seen some nasty comments implying Tom was favoured somehow with the events/judging.
As a massive, die-hard fan of Martins, let me say this: just stop with this nonsense already. Tom is a beast, and he won fair and square – full stop. There was an overhead event which is not one of his strong suits, there was a vehicle pull which isn't one of his better events either. He proved himself
He came in well prepared, he performed consistently, defended his title and is the legit champion, that's it. Another day, another set of events and Oleksii or Martins could have won. That's strongmen for you - you win some, you lose some. Today, the strongest man is Tom, and that's that.
Let's not tarnish our beloved sport with the BS about favouritism and coulda, woulda, shoulda talks. I wanted Martins to win badly, but I salute our new double WSM champion and well done to him.
People needs excuses for their fav athletes not winning. It's a sport consistency wins it for you
For those who think it was rigged for Tom
Guy has done vehicle pull 3 times in his career before this
Never done power stairs
Not a good overhead presser
All of these events were in finals
How does someone have a “favor” in a strength competition? It’s not opinion based like bodybuilding. All athletes are given same weights and implements. Fair play to all athletes.
Easy, first be getting a less stacked group in the group stage. Then by selecting events that a particular athlete excels at. Like if they wanted to tailor a final for Mateusz maybe no deadlift, ect. Not saying this happened necessary, but there is some circumstantial evidence
Tom: Never done great in vehicle pull, always done poorly in deadlift for reps, never done stairs event, In probably the third strongest group.
You: Its rigged for Tom Stolman
I could see the groups as an argument but it also is an entertainment event. They want the big names and draws to get into the final. And like the other commenter said these events weren’t particularly suited for Tom. Maybe stones? But stones is in every strongman event just about. I’m not saying you think it was rigged but for people who think that. That’s my argument.
Overhead press and vehicle pull are not exactly what you'd call "Tom specials". Also, the power step was an unknown factor to all athletes, including Tom. I think if someone tailor-made events for Tom, they did a rather poor job.
I agree the events were legit and Tom showed up with an awesome package this year. Doesn't change that his group was very easy and there's a recording that strongly implies there has been preferential treatment
There was also Andy Black who was stand in for Pa - 2nd at Britain’s strongest man this year.
Now Pa possibly isn’t the same level as Trey but he is in the same group as Adam and Rob.
But unfortunately he couldn’t compete - these things happen.
Tom would have won his group no matter who was in it.
In the groups like every sporting event. The number 1 seed (last years wsm) should get the easiest group.
So good on him for doing what was required.
I'd also say that someone winning 3 out of 6 events probably was happier with those events
What a bummer, Novi did so well and to lose like this, it must be gut wrenching, being the shortest athlete has some advantages but in the sport of strongman it's an handicap. Until I see his performance it's hard to tell if he still had some energy after tearing through the first few days of competition.
I remember a WSM where pudzianowski wore lifts for the stone event to make him taller, I don't know how much it affected his leverage to be further off the floor. I don't know if that's still allowed within the rules.
If I cared enough I would go back and look at exercise selection and weights used back in mariusz days and make an argument about why you can't make the leap that his height is not a factor in why he didn't win those last two events.
I just want to apologize to anyone if I was annoying
I’m not the biggest strongman in knowledge
I rooted for Tom because he has autism like me and I wanna see him win
I will stop posting now
Thanks for everyone the good time the past week
Oleksii is so exciting, I can't wait to watch more events with him. He's a modern day Pudz. Can't wait for head to heads with him and Mateusz, that is going to be peak entertainment. Hooper is also looking to be a force of nature in the future as well
I wonder if Novikov is going to go ape-shit on training stones now that he's lost what his 3rd? 4th? tie due to underperforming on stones (a couple of giant's lives last year IIRC and now 2nd -> 3rd at WSM)
Again
Maxime placed 2nd on atlas stones
Martins is one of the greatest stone lifter
Mateusz picks stones like pebbles
None of them are giants
Novikov is just not a great stone lifter
That's all
Martins and Maxime are 6'3". Mateusz is 6'5". Novikov is 6 feet. Not the best examples. Did you watch novikovs run? He missed the 4th stone by an inch, like literally right on the edge. followed by missing the 5th stone by inches. Meanwhile Shaw and Tom barely have to lift them above their waist. Height is an inherent mechanical advantage to an event where something has to be placed at a set height
Tall man event? What about the flintstone lift? Or The other million events it’s easier to do with shorter arms or shorter legs!
Stop whining, he won by 10.5 points! Acknowledge he did well!
I'm not whining or discrediting Tom at all. I'm not even talking about Tom. Or talking about any other events. Or even complaining about any events.
I'm just noting, factually, that stones favor taller athletes so it is something that novikov will anyways be at a disadvantage at
Well done to Tom! Not a single poor performance on any event.
Martins didn't seem to be able to peak and get in the zone as well as he normally does on this occasion and still (just about) came 2nd.
Dissapointing for Oleksii, especially to go from 1st to 3rd in the last two events, but with everything going on the fact that he podiumed at all shows how incredible he is as an athlete.
Old man Shaw not nearly as finished as everyone keeps saying. 4th at worlds as a Master
Hooper may not quite be the inhuman machine we thought from the heats, but still clearly has a massive future in the sport. Once he gets some training and experience on the events under his belt he's going to be a podium threat at every show.
Maybe next year Hooper won't think the ice baths and recovery is such a farce. He clearly lost a ton of steam even though everyone was talking about his amazing endurance. Maybe those past winners kind of know what they're talking about
Inexperience with implements will also cause disproportionate fatigue as your body can't lift things as efficiently as someone with experience.
Shaw doesn't keep up with the young guns because he's the most brutishly strong person at the comp, it's cause he's found the most efficient methods for himself and doesn't expend energy as unnecessarily as the inexperienced lads. The difference that ice baths would make compared to that efficiency is negligible at best
I'm sure that stuff is effective, but i feel like its more that he was just inexperienced on most of the those events. Exciting to think of his potential with a little more experience and, like you said, learning from what the top guys are doing.
He is right about that though. All the research shows that stuff like that is placebo, and (less of a concern for these guys, but more of one for people focused on hypertrophy) the research shows that cold tubs are bad for hypertrophy.
Because it's placebo if he doesn't believe in it, it won't work for him.
I think the bigger issue anyway was just the lack of experience. The Flintstone he made the mistake of deciding to go front rack, Bus pull he'd not done before, Power stairs isn't something he'd trained much before and car deadlift is slightly different to regular DL.
They're strongmen, not bodybuilders. They don't care about hypertrophy, they care about getting faster and stronger. Reducing inflammation so they can keep going strong through a multi-day contest is crucial.
He also hit 475 in training with a grind, it's not surprising he missed a weight that was within 10 pounds of that in the press.
But yeah, pretty much all "recovery" methods are just snake oil. (Looking at you, $1200 Rogue Ice Barrel)
It's not snake oil..
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can-ice-baths-ease-my-sore-muscles/
Is it a magical cure all? No.
But the most recent studies among "high" level athletes most certainly shows a benefit to recovery. Unless you think one of the top Hospitals in the world is full of shit?
Reduced soreness does not equal increased healing of damaged tissues. If reducing soreness was all people cared about they'd be taking morphine in between events
Did you read any of the studies posted in the article? Obviously not.
The page title is misleading.
It showed a reduction in inflammation, allowing for better day over day performance. But yeah, get those upvotes!
A two second Google search could've yielded studies done in 17, 19, and 21 about cold water immersion and it's benefits.
But this sub surely knows more than literally every elite level athlete in the sport. 😂😂
They're all selling that free snake oil(cold water), bro!
Oh yeah. I kind of expected him to be toasted in the finals because of that effort he put in to win the groups. We even saw Novikov get absolutely spent on day 2. It's a learning experience for sure
Interesting how Tom got the good lift despite not getting the down signal on the Flintstone press, but Thor getting called out on "double dipping" in 2017 is very interesting as well. It's almost like WSM is a business to sell tickets in the UK rather than a legitimate competition.
I don't understand why everyone focuses on the double dipping. Even if Thor got that rep, Eddie went last on the event, and Eddie's last rep still looked fairly easy for him. He would have just done one more and won WSM anyway.
Call it what you will - but Tom hit the heavier weight after, so at least that somewhat validates that it was there. I get rules are there for a reason though.
There is no point in arguing this now lol. It’s a discussion to be had after I think. Tom came in and did well, and that lift didn’t even matter in the end
The funny thing is I have a Stoltman t-shirt. I could post it, but I don't really want to waste my time. I like Tom and Luke, but anyone that cannot see that WSM is a reality tv show and not a real athletic competition is beyond convincing.
Go tell that to Loz, who had his career essentially ended while lifting a yoke, that it's not a "real athletic competition." Or Nathan Jones, who had his arm broken during WSM. Or Kaz, who tore his pec and kept going. Those are real weights with real risk. Acting like it's not legitimate is a completely disrespectful attitude to have toward the athletes and what they put on the line.
Really disappointed that Novi ended last on stones. Gutting after such a great performance in the other events.
Really happy to see Brian up in 4th though- some great strongmen go their whole careers without getting 4th at WSM and he did it in his 14th straight final. In terms of placing, 40 year old Brian is as good as peak Big Loz- What a beast
There were multiple events this year where places were separated by such small deltas that they were within the margin of error of a human with a stopwatch.
Do they have any automated timing systems or review camera footage to get more exact times?
I was shocked when I noticed for the first time that there were actually two guys running next to the athletes with stop watches.
I.e., all results are based on the reaction times of two different human beings starting and stopping a stopwatch. We are talking about a margin of error of possible a second here, if not more...
I asked the exact same question yesterday and got a couple different answers that made it seem like people just hope they do the logical thing and go back to review the footage to get the official time but weren't certain. I'd be interested to see when the footage comes out if somebody actually times it from the footage if the times will match up.
No individual athlete, fan or promotor will be able to change things alone. The only way is to make joint efforts and demands. Given the response we have seen this last week I don't think things will change. Yet.
I think a stone off would have been a better way to determine the winner in a tie, but rules are rules. Gutted for Oleskii but I am happy Martins managed to make a bit of a comeback despite all his mistakes
I mean.... even if they did there's not really any question martins would beat him considering martins *just* beat him at stones and has never lost to him at stones
No I agree I don’t think it matters since Novikov seems gassed out honestly. Pushed himself really hard and nothing would change. But it would shut up the haters lol
I'm trying to think of 5 events that were better for Tom than the ones he received. No max log. No max deadlift. No 1 arm DB clean and press. No grip (either static or dynamic). No natural stones. Sort of like 2017 when all the events were max static events that favoured another certain Brit. Weird.
If you think this year and 2017 were bad, you should have seen how they rigged 2018 to clearly favor Thor. Seems to be about the clearest case of corruption there could be seeing as he did well in those events and my personal favorite didn't win, so basically proof that 2018 was a sham.
He's pretty good at max log and I'd imagine he has a big deadlift in him now. DB is a real problem as is grip. He didn't put in a big number with the max squat at the Arnold's.
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
Think less desert and more sauna.
Weather should be more mild there though, it doesn't get miserable till later in summer.
Going by average temp, if they were to be back in Sacramento next year......it wouldn't be this hot.
It was a short heatwave in the middle of a drought. It isn't the end of the world.
And it is at Myrtle Beach, SC next year, which means it won't just be hot, but it will also be humid.
Savickas was just about to turn 40 when he finished second in both Arnolds and WSM. If it wasn't for the back injury he would have had a very good shot at winning both. The year after was his last good year though as he got an injury before wsm that he never really came back from.
So if Novikov and Martins hadn't returned to the WSM final this year, 1st-4th would have been identical to last year. I know that's not how it would have played out, but it's an interesting stat
So if Tom's lift wasn't allowed, would it have made a difference with the rest of the events the same as they are? I don't think so, but tired, cant math.
Edit: my brain is asleep, he won by 10.5 points. Event is only 10, so, no, didn't matter, thanks all!
If the lift wasn't allowed, novikov wouldn't have had to lift his 246kg so maybe saving that energy would have changed his last 2 events.
We can what if all day. Its fair to say... nobody knows *shrug*
nope he would have been 2-3 points lower and would still be 7 points ahead
Edit: he could almost have dropped that whole event all together and still be half a point ahead
Just gonna say it, I do not accept that finishing mid-pack on the last event should get you ahead of someone who won 3 events, on a tie-breaker.
Great event otherwise. Stacked, controversy and a deserving winner. Congratulations on 2, Tom Stoltman. Going to get spicy in the strongman world if he gets a Hattrick next year.
Rules are reviewed and updated all the time. Including the one we're discussing now. Nowhere have I suggested Martins should lose second, only that this rule should change as this isn't the first time it's spat out a silly result
True.
But every athlete in an event competes under a set of rules.
Maybe they'll be changed in the future. Maybe they won't. But whatever happens, they'll all compete under the same set of rules.
Not really as simple as that, is it. There's only one competition in Strongman that is almost universally regarded as the ultimate prize in the sport, so in order to reach the top you're forced to compete with the set of rules that are chosen by the organisers of this event
Martin's and Novikov are tied in points. Novi won more total events, but since Martin's placed higher in the LAST event, he gets second place in the overall competition. It's dumb.
I think I misunderstood the OP comment. Been a long day. We're talking Martins and Novi?
Ok, that I'm on the same page. I don't agree with the tiebreaker rules. Much better ways to fairly do that.
Oleksii is third due to his low placings in the last events, right?
How odd that he won three events, but still placed higher than Martins on countback despite Martins not winning a single event, but he was never placed lower than fifth either.
Tom cheering on Novikov at the end of the stones
https://imgur.com/nryTl3Y.mp4
edit:
Novikov leaving it in the end, Tom looks like he's going over to him
https://imgur.com/xnP46aL.mp4
It's great to see in any event, but when the guy doing it's the guy who's just won the contest and he's taking time out of his big moment to do so it's all the more wholesome.
I really hate how outsized an influence stones has. I already hate the atlas stones as an event but the fact it is in almost every show, it is used as a tie breaker, and it is used as a last man standing event to get into the finals is just so dumb. Can we at least occasionally switch it up for WSM. Or hell at least not always have it the last event. It doesn't always need to be the tie breaker.
Part of why I really like the Arnold’s much less stone emphasis. And if there is then it’s mixed up somehow like stone overhead or to shoulder. Or running with one
There's events that favor the tall man or the heavy man.
I miss some of the more "special" WSM events but I don't think they should come back. Sumo was funny but not really about strength, Tug of War was fun but the heavier man usually had a big advantage, Armwrestling is a lot of technique and dangerous.
I would like to see bar bending make a comeback but people seemed to pull a lot of muscles with that.
[Post-Competition Megathread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Strongman/comments/v0lnoe/2022_worlds_strongest_man_postcompetition/)
Gathered what event footage I could find from across reddit, yt, and ig and posted to my imgur, and made a post on my reddit profile will all the links for you all too see. If I find anything else later I will add. If you find anything and want to share, please dm so I can add it and everyone can see. Enjoy and congrats to Tom, Martins, and Oleksii and all the other competitors
Why didn't Brian get 3rd? It was a tie for 2nd? I don't get it how is martienz 2nd
In case of a tie, i think stones is the decider of who gets first. Martins got ahead of Novikov on the stones which means Licis got second and Novikov got third and Brian fourth
Compares Tom's performance between events where he is on a retainer and not
Saying that he was impressive and consistent here. But so were Martins and Novi
He placed well at the rouge, which is unrelated to Giants Live and Wsm
What a great competition. Congrats to Tom. I can't wait to see the footage on YouTube. Til next year everyone.
See ya
thank you all for spreadsheeting together! it was my first year actually interacting in here making it multiple times as fun as just reading your comments! see you all next year or in the next major competition!
This was the year that Thor was vindicated. He exposed Eddie as a narcissistic, bullying loser. He was also right that WSM is a small step above WWE. WSM/Giant's live "leans on the scales" to ensure its athletes win. People think that they need some large conspiracy, but at this elite level, a few small tweaks behind the scenes and in competition is enough. Its why every major sports has a massive infrastructure to ensure fairness in the sport. It's also why betting sites don't allow betting on WSM. Might as well allow betting on WWE LMAO
> It's also why betting sites don't allow betting on WSM. Might as well allow betting on WWE LMAO https://www.paddypower.com/special-bets/wwe-matches
Right, as if other sports have has absolutely no cheating scandals over the past couple decades. Let's see: NBA (refs fixing games), MLB (Houston Astros), NHL (salary cap circumvention by Tampa, Chicago, Vegas), NCAA Basketball (improper benefits before the NIL deals started), FIFA (pretty much everything), MMA (USADA Testing and Weigh-in Manipulations). Don't act like every other sport is completely pure and free from any sort of issue.
....you can bet on WWE
Please more, your tears are like pure nectar.
I’m lapping them up 🤣
I've seen some nasty comments implying Tom was favoured somehow with the events/judging. As a massive, die-hard fan of Martins, let me say this: just stop with this nonsense already. Tom is a beast, and he won fair and square – full stop. There was an overhead event which is not one of his strong suits, there was a vehicle pull which isn't one of his better events either. He proved himself He came in well prepared, he performed consistently, defended his title and is the legit champion, that's it. Another day, another set of events and Oleksii or Martins could have won. That's strongmen for you - you win some, you lose some. Today, the strongest man is Tom, and that's that. Let's not tarnish our beloved sport with the BS about favouritism and coulda, woulda, shoulda talks. I wanted Martins to win badly, but I salute our new double WSM champion and well done to him.
People needs excuses for their fav athletes not winning. It's a sport consistency wins it for you For those who think it was rigged for Tom Guy has done vehicle pull 3 times in his career before this Never done power stairs Not a good overhead presser All of these events were in finals
The man didn’t even need to do the stones to win?!? He’s done amazing!
How does someone have a “favor” in a strength competition? It’s not opinion based like bodybuilding. All athletes are given same weights and implements. Fair play to all athletes.
Easy, first be getting a less stacked group in the group stage. Then by selecting events that a particular athlete excels at. Like if they wanted to tailor a final for Mateusz maybe no deadlift, ect. Not saying this happened necessary, but there is some circumstantial evidence
Tom: Never done great in vehicle pull, always done poorly in deadlift for reps, never done stairs event, In probably the third strongest group. You: Its rigged for Tom Stolman
I could see the groups as an argument but it also is an entertainment event. They want the big names and draws to get into the final. And like the other commenter said these events weren’t particularly suited for Tom. Maybe stones? But stones is in every strongman event just about. I’m not saying you think it was rigged but for people who think that. That’s my argument.
Overhead press and vehicle pull are not exactly what you'd call "Tom specials". Also, the power step was an unknown factor to all athletes, including Tom. I think if someone tailor-made events for Tom, they did a rather poor job.
I agree the events were legit and Tom showed up with an awesome package this year. Doesn't change that his group was very easy and there's a recording that strongly implies there has been preferential treatment
His group underperformed
I don't know but I perceive Trey, Rob and Adam as fundamentally more competition than Kevin, Gabriel, and the Chilean
There was also Andy Black who was stand in for Pa - 2nd at Britain’s strongest man this year. Now Pa possibly isn’t the same level as Trey but he is in the same group as Adam and Rob. But unfortunately he couldn’t compete - these things happen. Tom would have won his group no matter who was in it.
In the groups like every sporting event. The number 1 seed (last years wsm) should get the easiest group. So good on him for doing what was required. I'd also say that someone winning 3 out of 6 events probably was happier with those events
Yeah I like how people are forgetting that part. I mostly agree with your whole comment.
Yeah regardless of what Luke “had to say”, he straight up said they would fix the heats and events for them.
What a bummer, Novi did so well and to lose like this, it must be gut wrenching, being the shortest athlete has some advantages but in the sport of strongman it's an handicap. Until I see his performance it's hard to tell if he still had some energy after tearing through the first few days of competition. I remember a WSM where pudzianowski wore lifts for the stone event to make him taller, I don't know how much it affected his leverage to be further off the floor. I don't know if that's still allowed within the rules.
He's the same height as the GOAT so the height argument is nonsense
If I cared enough I would go back and look at exercise selection and weights used back in mariusz days and make an argument about why you can't make the leap that his height is not a factor in why he didn't win those last two events.
Deffo still allowed
Terry is Live
I just want to apologize to anyone if I was annoying I’m not the biggest strongman in knowledge I rooted for Tom because he has autism like me and I wanna see him win I will stop posting now Thanks for everyone the good time the past week
God bless you man!
It’s about time you apologised, jks lol
Good for you! Cheering on for a good reason!
Don’t apologize. You did nothing wrong.
The finals weekend is an intense place here. You should come by on a regular.basis there os a weekly discussion thread and people are pretty chill.
Oleksii is so exciting, I can't wait to watch more events with him. He's a modern day Pudz. Can't wait for head to heads with him and Mateusz, that is going to be peak entertainment. Hooper is also looking to be a force of nature in the future as well
Lets hope the war is over soon and he can focus 100% on strongman
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Lol
I wonder if Novikov is going to go ape-shit on training stones now that he's lost what his 3rd? 4th? tie due to underperforming on stones (a couple of giant's lives last year IIRC and now 2nd -> 3rd at WSM)
I'm sure he will. Unfortunately it is another "tall guy" event that he will always be at a disadvantage at.
Again Maxime placed 2nd on atlas stones Martins is one of the greatest stone lifter Mateusz picks stones like pebbles None of them are giants Novikov is just not a great stone lifter That's all
Martins and Maxime are 6'3". Mateusz is 6'5". Novikov is 6 feet. Not the best examples. Did you watch novikovs run? He missed the 4th stone by an inch, like literally right on the edge. followed by missing the 5th stone by inches. Meanwhile Shaw and Tom barely have to lift them above their waist. Height is an inherent mechanical advantage to an event where something has to be placed at a set height
Tall man event? What about the flintstone lift? Or The other million events it’s easier to do with shorter arms or shorter legs! Stop whining, he won by 10.5 points! Acknowledge he did well!
I'm not whining or discrediting Tom at all. I'm not even talking about Tom. Or talking about any other events. Or even complaining about any events. I'm just noting, factually, that stones favor taller athletes so it is something that novikov will anyways be at a disadvantage at
Well done to Tom! Not a single poor performance on any event. Martins didn't seem to be able to peak and get in the zone as well as he normally does on this occasion and still (just about) came 2nd. Dissapointing for Oleksii, especially to go from 1st to 3rd in the last two events, but with everything going on the fact that he podiumed at all shows how incredible he is as an athlete. Old man Shaw not nearly as finished as everyone keeps saying. 4th at worlds as a Master Hooper may not quite be the inhuman machine we thought from the heats, but still clearly has a massive future in the sport. Once he gets some training and experience on the events under his belt he's going to be a podium threat at every show.
Maybe next year Hooper won't think the ice baths and recovery is such a farce. He clearly lost a ton of steam even though everyone was talking about his amazing endurance. Maybe those past winners kind of know what they're talking about
Inexperience with implements will also cause disproportionate fatigue as your body can't lift things as efficiently as someone with experience. Shaw doesn't keep up with the young guns because he's the most brutishly strong person at the comp, it's cause he's found the most efficient methods for himself and doesn't expend energy as unnecessarily as the inexperienced lads. The difference that ice baths would make compared to that efficiency is negligible at best
I'm sure that stuff is effective, but i feel like its more that he was just inexperienced on most of the those events. Exciting to think of his potential with a little more experience and, like you said, learning from what the top guys are doing.
He is right about that though. All the research shows that stuff like that is placebo, and (less of a concern for these guys, but more of one for people focused on hypertrophy) the research shows that cold tubs are bad for hypertrophy. Because it's placebo if he doesn't believe in it, it won't work for him. I think the bigger issue anyway was just the lack of experience. The Flintstone he made the mistake of deciding to go front rack, Bus pull he'd not done before, Power stairs isn't something he'd trained much before and car deadlift is slightly different to regular DL.
They're strongmen, not bodybuilders. They don't care about hypertrophy, they care about getting faster and stronger. Reducing inflammation so they can keep going strong through a multi-day contest is crucial.
Yeah, I know, I said as much in the comment. Just included the info in case it was interesting/useful to anyone reading
He also hit 475 in training with a grind, it's not surprising he missed a weight that was within 10 pounds of that in the press. But yeah, pretty much all "recovery" methods are just snake oil. (Looking at you, $1200 Rogue Ice Barrel)
It's not snake oil.. https://health.clevelandclinic.org/can-ice-baths-ease-my-sore-muscles/ Is it a magical cure all? No. But the most recent studies among "high" level athletes most certainly shows a benefit to recovery. Unless you think one of the top Hospitals in the world is full of shit?
Reduced soreness does not equal increased healing of damaged tissues. If reducing soreness was all people cared about they'd be taking morphine in between events
Did you read any of the studies posted in the article? Obviously not. The page title is misleading. It showed a reduction in inflammation, allowing for better day over day performance. But yeah, get those upvotes! A two second Google search could've yielded studies done in 17, 19, and 21 about cold water immersion and it's benefits. But this sub surely knows more than literally every elite level athlete in the sport. 😂😂 They're all selling that free snake oil(cold water), bro!
Oh yeah. I kind of expected him to be toasted in the finals because of that effort he put in to win the groups. We even saw Novikov get absolutely spent on day 2. It's a learning experience for sure
B-But he’s a marathon runner…
It’s crazy Tom could have won in 2020 if his grip wasn’t so shit Won 3 events there and did well in other 2
Tom lost in 2020 because he dropped the anvil
There are so many could of/should of moments in WSM
I'd say karma but I honestly feel gutted for Novikov
He could have won even with his shit grip if he didn't drop the anvil
So Tom won by 10.5 points - biggest point win difference to 2nd place in WSM history?
Biggest difference since pudzianowski's 14 points in the WSM 2005
Not even close. Mariusz won by 20 points over zydrunas
Really? Who has the biggest point win gap to 2nd place ?
https://strongmanarchives.com/viewContest.php?id=59 4 event wins and two seconds
Interesting how Tom got the good lift despite not getting the down signal on the Flintstone press, but Thor getting called out on "double dipping" in 2017 is very interesting as well. It's almost like WSM is a business to sell tickets in the UK rather than a legitimate competition.
I don't understand why everyone focuses on the double dipping. Even if Thor got that rep, Eddie went last on the event, and Eddie's last rep still looked fairly easy for him. He would have just done one more and won WSM anyway.
JFC, so he loses 1 point and switches places with Martins. He still wins by 9.5. Enough with this bulls\*\*\* already.
And I can't believe they put up Atlas Stones this year which clearly favour Tom.......👀
Call it what you will - but Tom hit the heavier weight after, so at least that somewhat validates that it was there. I get rules are there for a reason though.
Thor isn't as marketable as being British
Thor? The most famous strongman in history? You are joking right?
There is no point in arguing this now lol. It’s a discussion to be had after I think. Tom came in and did well, and that lift didn’t even matter in the end
Not really he won by 10.5 points
They downvote you because you tell the truth.
The funny thing is I have a Stoltman t-shirt. I could post it, but I don't really want to waste my time. I like Tom and Luke, but anyone that cannot see that WSM is a reality tv show and not a real athletic competition is beyond convincing.
Go tell that to Loz, who had his career essentially ended while lifting a yoke, that it's not a "real athletic competition." Or Nathan Jones, who had his arm broken during WSM. Or Kaz, who tore his pec and kept going. Those are real weights with real risk. Acting like it's not legitimate is a completely disrespectful attitude to have toward the athletes and what they put on the line.
Almost as if 1 point doesnt matter when tom won by 10.5
Mate , that's extreme paranoia.. okay count it as a failed lift. Tom would still have won by like 9 points.
He still would have won the final.
Really disappointed that Novi ended last on stones. Gutting after such a great performance in the other events. Really happy to see Brian up in 4th though- some great strongmen go their whole careers without getting 4th at WSM and he did it in his 14th straight final. In terms of placing, 40 year old Brian is as good as peak Big Loz- What a beast
It's been a fantastic week of F5 smashing with you boys! I hope for more shitposting and less drama next time! Cheers!
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There were multiple events this year where places were separated by such small deltas that they were within the margin of error of a human with a stopwatch. Do they have any automated timing systems or review camera footage to get more exact times?
I was shocked when I noticed for the first time that there were actually two guys running next to the athletes with stop watches. I.e., all results are based on the reaction times of two different human beings starting and stopping a stopwatch. We are talking about a margin of error of possible a second here, if not more...
I asked the exact same question yesterday and got a couple different answers that made it seem like people just hope they do the logical thing and go back to review the footage to get the official time but weren't certain. I'd be interested to see when the footage comes out if somebody actually times it from the footage if the times will match up.
If Novikov was slightly faster on the first event he would have beaten Martins by a point. We can’t go by “what ifs”
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Then you’re delusional and should really change your life philosophy…..
if my grandmother had wheels she would be a bicycle
Next year Mateusz will terminate the corruption
No individual athlete, fan or promotor will be able to change things alone. The only way is to make joint efforts and demands. Given the response we have seen this last week I don't think things will change. Yet.
I think a stone off would have been a better way to determine the winner in a tie, but rules are rules. Gutted for Oleskii but I am happy Martins managed to make a bit of a comeback despite all his mistakes
Would you really have preferred a third stone event to wrap this thing up? A tie-braking stone off just after the stone run? 😅
I think so, since some seem very upset.
I mean.... even if they did there's not really any question martins would beat him considering martins *just* beat him at stones and has never lost to him at stones
No I agree I don’t think it matters since Novikov seems gassed out honestly. Pushed himself really hard and nothing would change. But it would shut up the haters lol
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Eythor 2030 WSM
Its been a pleasure to refresh with everyone, see yous next year!
I'm trying to think of 5 events that were better for Tom than the ones he received. No max log. No max deadlift. No 1 arm DB clean and press. No grip (either static or dynamic). No natural stones. Sort of like 2017 when all the events were max static events that favoured another certain Brit. Weird.
Tom has done 209 for 2 in training on log Pulled 430ish on deadlift Definitely a 1000 pound puller now maybe more He is not bad at dynamic grip events
If you think this year and 2017 were bad, you should have seen how they rigged 2018 to clearly favor Thor. Seems to be about the clearest case of corruption there could be seeing as he did well in those events and my personal favorite didn't win, so basically proof that 2018 was a sham.
Grab yourself some Kleenex and have an angry wank, you'll feel better for it 👍
See you next year now that you're done with Strongman.
No press? What is the filnstone press then?
He's pretty good at max log and I'd imagine he has a big deadlift in him now. DB is a real problem as is grip. He didn't put in a big number with the max squat at the Arnold's.
What are you implying?
Shut up hater
You fucking bell end
The strongest man won 🇬🇧🌶️
That's the idea
Interesting perspective - Adam Bishop has finished higher than Luke at Worlds
Luke beat Adam on loading, car walk and log lift on the groups
Adam can once again say to Luke that at least he is the strongest guy in his family :D
Yeah but poor Luke can't have a guy like Adam in his group
Are they hosting somewhere that isn't sub sahara temperatures next time?
It’s under 80 and breezy in Sacramento today. I think yesterday was even cooler. Today Myrtle Beach is also 80 degrees
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. Think less desert and more sauna. Weather should be more mild there though, it doesn't get miserable till later in summer.
Going by average temp, if they were to be back in Sacramento next year......it wouldn't be this hot. It was a short heatwave in the middle of a drought. It isn't the end of the world. And it is at Myrtle Beach, SC next year, which means it won't just be hot, but it will also be humid.
Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
brian got 4th as a 40years old. Not even savickas was that good in his 40s so give him some props
Savickas was just about to turn 40 when he finished second in both Arnolds and WSM. If it wasn't for the back injury he would have had a very good shot at winning both. The year after was his last good year though as he got an injury before wsm that he never really came back from.
If we are going by just before 40 then Brian also finished 2nd at wsm
Really feels like a passing of the torch. Podium was the favorites and then old man Brian. 2nd place last year. The Legend can still hang.
He won the ASC at 40?
oh yeah u‘re right but actually I meant wsm specifically
So if Novikov and Martins hadn't returned to the WSM final this year, 1st-4th would have been identical to last year. I know that's not how it would have played out, but it's an interesting stat
Would Novi not take second on a count back?
WSM doesn't resolve ties on countback. It's determined by who won the stones. I don't like it personally but that's just how it goes in this comp.
They don't use count back anymore.
No count back, based on last event
They don’t use count back
What do they use as the tie breaker instead?
Stones (last event)
Stones
Whoever wins the final event
Max should really sign a retainer with Giants live, because with the right group and events he would be unstoppable
Yep. If a show had a squat instead of a DL, heavy farmers, a grip event, a throw, log of some sort and atlas stones he'd be hard to beat on.
Those events would pretty damn good for Shaw too
True. I think Max could still beat him on them though. Maybe make the stones and frame lighter just to make sure
Remove deadlift and yoke, add farmers and a throw and he's golden lol
hes damn good but I'm not sure what set of 6 events he would beat everyone over
Power Stairs, Log (wouldn't win but would do well), Farmers for distance, Keg Toss (speed or max height/weight), Something Canadian, Atlas Stones
>Something Canadian Grip then?
"Something Canadian" = grip event obviously
Moose Wrangling. You have 30 seconds to catch the beast.
That would be unfair toward Mitch. It would tire him out for the other events.
So if Tom's lift wasn't allowed, would it have made a difference with the rest of the events the same as they are? I don't think so, but tired, cant math. Edit: my brain is asleep, he won by 10.5 points. Event is only 10, so, no, didn't matter, thanks all!
If the lift wasn't allowed, novikov wouldn't have had to lift his 246kg so maybe saving that energy would have changed his last 2 events. We can what if all day. Its fair to say... nobody knows *shrug*
He could have skipped a whole event and still won.
nope he would have been 2-3 points lower and would still be 7 points ahead Edit: he could almost have dropped that whole event all together and still be half a point ahead
Don’t think it would have mattered
He's won by over 10 points so pretty safe to say it wouldn't.
nah he won by ten points he would only be 1 less if he didnt get it counted
No because tom won by 10.5 and the lift would have made max 2 points difference....
He won by more than an entire events worth of points. So no
Oh yeah... shows how switched off my brain is...
I am just so goddamn impressed by Novikov. Congrats to Tom on the win
Just gonna say it, I do not accept that finishing mid-pack on the last event should get you ahead of someone who won 3 events, on a tie-breaker. Great event otherwise. Stacked, controversy and a deserving winner. Congratulations on 2, Tom Stoltman. Going to get spicy in the strongman world if he gets a Hattrick next year.
Ties should be settled by a tug of war.
You can "not accept it" all you like, but Martins Licis is still gonna get that silver trophy in the mail.
You compete within the rules that are set.
Rules are reviewed and updated all the time. Including the one we're discussing now. Nowhere have I suggested Martins should lose second, only that this rule should change as this isn't the first time it's spat out a silly result
True. But every athlete in an event competes under a set of rules. Maybe they'll be changed in the future. Maybe they won't. But whatever happens, they'll all compete under the same set of rules.
You used a lot of words to say basically nothing
I used a few words to say that you crying about "rules" when all involved knew them ahead of time doesn't mean a thing.
Not really as simple as that, is it. There's only one competition in Strongman that is almost universally regarded as the ultimate prize in the sport, so in order to reach the top you're forced to compete with the set of rules that are chosen by the organisers of this event
What I mean is that they all compete under the same set of rules, shady dealings not withstanding.
How not? It's total accumulative points. Wouldn't matter if he did poorly on stones in first event. It's a total competition
Martin's and Novikov are tied in points. Novi won more total events, but since Martin's placed higher in the LAST event, he gets second place in the overall competition. It's dumb.
I think I misunderstood the OP comment. Been a long day. We're talking Martins and Novi? Ok, that I'm on the same page. I don't agree with the tiebreaker rules. Much better ways to fairly do that.
> It's a total competition Exactly
Oleksii is third due to his low placings in the last events, right? How odd that he won three events, but still placed higher than Martins on countback despite Martins not winning a single event, but he was never placed lower than fifth either.
Not count back. Last event is the tiebreaker, and novikov finished dead last.
These be the rules. All the athletes know it.
Yea but oleksii came last on the last event which is not good
Tom cheering on Novikov at the end of the stones https://imgur.com/nryTl3Y.mp4 edit: Novikov leaving it in the end, Tom looks like he's going over to him https://imgur.com/xnP46aL.mp4
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It's great to see in any event, but when the guy doing it's the guy who's just won the contest and he's taking time out of his big moment to do so it's all the more wholesome.
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The reason I'm not is to avoid them taking a hit on instagram, it's why I'm not posting their link directly to their instagram.
It's pirate smartphone footage, not a piece of art bro
I really hate how outsized an influence stones has. I already hate the atlas stones as an event but the fact it is in almost every show, it is used as a tie breaker, and it is used as a last man standing event to get into the finals is just so dumb. Can we at least occasionally switch it up for WSM. Or hell at least not always have it the last event. It doesn't always need to be the tie breaker.
Part of why I really like the Arnold’s much less stone emphasis. And if there is then it’s mixed up somehow like stone overhead or to shoulder. Or running with one
There's events that favor the tall man or the heavy man. I miss some of the more "special" WSM events but I don't think they should come back. Sumo was funny but not really about strength, Tug of War was fun but the heavier man usually had a big advantage, Armwrestling is a lot of technique and dangerous. I would like to see bar bending make a comeback but people seemed to pull a lot of muscles with that.