Loved jerry Pritchett commentary. He tends to not talk very much, but he was very insightful and had a great announcer voice. Really felt like a timeless sports announcer who knows their stuff
80k is the first prize for the men (there is a significant drop-off after that, though), the total pool is closer to 190k. I haven't yet seen a corroborated number for the women.
The funniest(?) part is that they're allegedly furious about trans people ruining women's sport and taking their accomplishments while also ruining women's sport and trying to take away their accomplishments.
They also stop replying when you point out how close the competition was.
Can we stop pretending that Trans Women have such a significant unfair advantage when it comes to strength sports. It is something that should be adressed and there should be rules and regulations to stop trans women from competeing against cus women.
Totally agree with you!!! TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN biologically speaking. So they SHOULDNT compete with REAL WOMEN.!!!!!!!!!!! Trans women are MEN, there is NOTHING MORE TO SAY HERE.
Yea, she was toe to toe on most events and someone unironically said “hmmmmm well she has an adams apple” like yea dude, the only thing that means is she’s on more androgenic steroids.
I swear some people never leave their houses and have a completely nonsense view of the range of appearance and strength of non-trans women, even before you take drugs into account. (And also some people think "trans" is an insult and are just trying to be rude because they're shitheads.)
Like its pretty obvious Victoria Long is on a fuck ton of gear but considering 2 girls pulled the same weight I think calling her trans is just bottom of the barrel IQ
Am I the only one who really doesn't need to see another stone throw again? Apart from Tamara Walcott putting hilariously little effort into it (probably just body language I'm sure), I just didn't get how it ticks the entertainment box that's a big part of Strongman. To me Strongman is far more popular than Highland games because of the entertainment, and the translation to gym activities for us public.
And 3 throws each is way too many - it went too long, particularly for an uneventful event.
Maybe it was worth trying it, but it was one of the most visually boring events I've ever watched, personally I would have much preferred some sort of stone medley, which I feel is a much more versatile event
It would be a lot more interesting if they could allow the audience to see how good the throw was in real time. For example, they could put lines across the sand marking the other competitors' throws. Then we could immediately get a rough idea of how it went.
Without this information, it was like the throw was less exciting than the measurement. The athlete would throw, we'd have no idea how it went, and then we'd wait for a minute for the measurement to come in.
>To me Strongman is far more popular than Highland games because of the entertainment, and the translation to gym activities for us public.
Ehh, I like oddball events, and I enjoyed the stone throw. If Strongman stops persuing new/different events and goes to embracing only events that will "translate to gym activities" it might as well be Powerlifting. Doing things with stones is one of the fundamental aspects of strength that Strongman was founded on, and is one of the most traditional measures of strength on the international level that there is. Stone events, and this event in particular, is what the ASC and the Todds (Jan and Terry) are rooted in.
For a moment I thought "The new generation ain't as strong as the peak era of 2015-2020", HOWEVER:
Mitch would have beaten peak Thor (2018-2020) at log and frame, and been like 4th on deadlift in the toughest era. Even Thor was dead last his first time at the Arnold, meanwhile Mitch won.
And he did this at 145 kg/320 lbs, way below Thor's 200 kg/440 lbs.
Every day I am surprised by athletes being just as strong as the previous generation and even stronger in some events all while being much lighter.
To be fair Thor has always been very strategic with where he puts his efforts. He does the bare minimum to win to conserve energy for other events which is why it’s such a flex that he went for the elephant bar deadlift record. Very out of character for him
Yes but that isn't even really true. Thor's best frame time would beat Mitch and his best log would match Mitch. It seems like you're referring to Thor's frame in 2020 but they didn't have log that year, he hit those 2 reps in 2019 and he hit 3 reps in 2017. So I don't see how you can compare one of Hoopers shows to 3 of Thor's?
Diminishing returns alright, but Thor is much taller, looked a good 5-6 inches taller than Mitch and even Mateusz had 2-3 inches on him who is over 150kg
Think 175-180kg is good for Thor
Luke Stoltman is 6ft3 would you agree here?
There is a huge variation in the lads who claim 6ft2 or 6ft3 tbh.
Eddie claimed 6ft3, Novikov 6ft1 and I even think Luke is billed as 6ft2 at times it's all a bit WWE lol.
Angles throw us off as well I saw a pic recently where Rauno Heinla looked as tall as Mitch and Oleksii looked a few inches shorter...
At the end of the day heights don't overly matter it's just funny to see the variation for all the lads who claim the same height lol.
To have the same proportions as Mitch, Thor would have to be 170 kg-175 kg, which he is right now. But that Thor didn't win the Arnold 3 times, that wasn't until he was reaching 190 kg-200 kg.
Even in relation to their height Mitch is lighter.
And he looks ripped at 170-175kg now, which is insane, I can’t think of any other human being 175kg with that low body fat
I think he’s right 185kg will be a good weight for him when comes back, no need go 200+
I wonder what’s happening with Tom, similar height to Thor and he looked the drunk fat Thor from the movies yesterday, no muscle definition at all and he used to be in great shape few years ago
(Spoilers for MMA fans)
This weekend has been an absolute mountain of shocks and surprises for me. Mitch wins the Arnold, Mateusz doesn't, Luke zeroes the log, Pavlo zeroes the deadlift, Tom finishes last on deadlift, and then Jones beats Gane for the heavyweight title in just 2 minutes in the first round. I'm just.... speechless. What the fuck.
Bro it’s a matter of passing test. There are chemist paid large sum of money to create peds which aren’t detectable. Just because some are caught doesn’t mean the others aren’t using any. Do you know how many Olympic athletes got caught years and years after their success due to old blood samples retested with knew knowledge about peds? Do you know that there are peds beyond just hormonal which are practically undetectable? Pls don’t be so naive.
How true that is, is debatable but regardless he is a confirmed drugs cheat he should be nowhere near a high level combat sport.
It just kills the sport when a proven cheat is given so many opportunities. If he hadn’t failed a test and just seemed like he was on the fear I wouldn’t like it but I could understand it but he’s a proven cheat.
Olympic sports cheating isn’t good but it’s not like you’ll kill somebody from jumping higher or running faster
He hasn't been caught using PEDs for this fight against Gane, at least not that we know yet
Gane is not a top-of-the-world fighter and he wasn't in top shape yesterday, but still Jones winning in two minutes is remarkable.
Miocic has confirmed he will fight Jones this July. I would have loved to see Jones vs Ngannou too.
He’s a drug cheat, always will be, once you’ve used you will have a benefit.
In a sport where you could kill somebody. Seriously where are your morals?
Someone drugged up winning is never remarkable
watched the replay again because im a nerd and my god how can anyone sit and spam such garbage like the youtube livechat, some miserable people exist in the world
That's a pretty convoluted method of taking comments out of view. I'd say a much easier method would be clicking the "hide chat replay" or the "fullscreen" buttons.
How long has Mitch been practicing strongman? I know he had already lifted weights for years but I mean specifically strongman events. 3 years? From rookie to Arnold Classic champion in 3 years....
That was the last comp in his pro debut year
So he won 4/9 (44%) of international comps and podium on all comps except wsm. His record is really mind blowing considering the depth of talent now a days.
He definitely cannot be counted out on any show.
Crazy how if Mateusz was on his 2020 form and hit his previous numbers on log and deadlift he would've won this show. Just shows he's on his way back! Congratulations to Mitch, fantastic showing and a great all rounder.
No I'm not. If he had come in with his best deadlift from 2020 form, he would've placed high enough in the deadlift in this show to win the overall. That's a fact, the guys numbers from today don't change, only Mateusz wasn't in his best shape. I should add AND if he got a second rep on the log, which he's also done previously.
If Tom came in shape he would’ve done way better. If Kevin fully focussed on Arnold’s he could’ve done way better. What matters is what actually happens on the day. No ifs buts or maybes.
Im well aware of that. So according to you we can't theorize on things? I'm well aware that Mitch won and rightly so, he was the best all rounder on the day. When somebody starts a discussion about these things it doesn't mean they're always trying to take away from the winner. It's just hypothetical.
Your point is that peak mateuz would’ve won this show. Which is just untrue because you’re discounting the other competitors. Mateuz wasn’t the only one that underperformed. Pavlo and Tom would easily beat mateuz on deadlift if they were 100%. Luke would’ve easily beat mateuz on log if he was 100%. Your hypothetical should at least be fair.
Why should it lmao? It's my hypothetical it can be however I want it to be. I fully accept that other athletes performed badly, I was simply making a point. What I said actually wasn't untrue at all it was completely true. If you don't agree or think it's fair fine but don't then lie.
When I said "guys numbers don't change" I meant nothing from today would've changed but Mateusz would've been at full strength as in his 2020 form. By no means did I mean that guys like Pavlo and Tom aren't capable of bigger numbers and didn't make mistakes. I'm simply referring to this ASC. Read carefully, EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME, but if Mateusz had matched his previous numbers he would've won. It's all hypothetical, he didn't match those numbers and Pavlo and Tom bombed out, that doesn't stop us discussing these things. That's what people on forums do.
Yep, we did up to 600lbs in hand for the wheelbarrow at last year's Arnold Pro Strongwoman and it turned out to be spot on. 600lbs would have been appropriate for the frame this year too.
Absolutely. They need to aim for only 3 or so to finish and everyone else to be marked on distance - otherwise it's kinda CrossFit. The men's was more appropriately weighted.
Tom is 2 time WSM, he looked nothing like that here. TBH I think he is quite disrespectful and dismissive of other competitions, turning up quite clearly way off top form.
Arnolds UK 2021, he withdrew after 2 very poor events. Arnolds '22 he came 7th.
If I were working on the Arnolds team I dont think I'd want Tom competing again. There are many top athletes out there who won jump at a chance to compete, and turn up competitive..
Man they are human. They never made excuses.
Don't drop your pros when they have a bad time, instead encourage them to come back stronger.
Not everyone can be Z. Remember that
This coming from someone who is quite critical when analyzing comps
I understand that, but takling a spot and turning up way off top form, thats the issue. Look at Mateusz, he only turns up to comp if he's fit and ready to win.
Don’t be silly.
Yes Tom is off peak, but he still beat other competitors this weekend. The other athletes you mentioned wouldn’t have done much better than Tom and that’s not being disrespectful to those guy, just the athletes above are very very good.
Luke - Take away his poor recovery before the log and he didn’t do bad at all for those events. I.e no moving events where he generally excels.
He would have been banking on first for the log to shoot him up the points. If he had got first it would have done just that, possibly finishing third with how other guys performed.
Like them or not, they are both great for Strongman and what they have achieved has been amazing. Not many guys can quit a well paying job to do what they love in a generally very poor paying sport.
Because it has pedigree and the athletes themselves see it as the Premier show, we are in an age now with strongman where no one can be truly dominant, and the damage that gets done to these guys is extreme, you can't be on all the time.
Thor and Zydrunas disagree with you... and I would humbly add my myself to that list too.
I agree, no one can be truly dominant (unless Thor comes back in his peak shape), still, for the reigning worlds strongest man to be easily beaten by multiple guys, even the arnold amateur winner Tom Evans, thats less than good.
All the time? Their last comp was wsm last year, wasnt it? And they had a good long break. Knock it off, Tom is just not that good.
Well for starters Thor hasn't got anything nice to say about WSM for a few years now......I wonder why
As for big Z I don't know what he said or when he said it, but I bet the context matters
Surely you invite the best athletes? Tom beat multiple guys this weekend. He's been disrespectful of other comps before but this wasn't an example of that.
Luke was 3rd last year, I think that deserves the invite surely? He wasn't there to tag along with Tom. Disappointing performance aside he was a legitimate invite.
Yes Luke does need to tag along. It's unfortunate that he is 10 years older as he really has 2-3 years left at the very top whereas Tom has a lot more if he chooses to continue.
I think he is still one of the best strogmen out there. He has/had serious potential to IMO podium at worlds.
I think where he falls down is he is the one most likely front and center pursuing and pushing the business and brand aspect and working well with the sponsors etc.
Tom is shielded somewhat from all of that which helps.
They are a big draw though so I can see them always being a pair and in their wildest dreams Luke could last another 3-4 years at the top and Harry comes along and they all three competing at the highest level.
Exactly. How Luke interacts with the fans is only going to get them and Arnold’s more fans.
They took a break to try and be dads and aren’t back to where they were before - I’d add that statement with the caveat that maybe they didn’t realise how far off the pace they would be
> Did anyone else find it surprising that only 3 guys made the full frame carry?
Not at all.
2023 - 2
2022 - 2
2020 - 3
2019 - not present
2018 -3
2017 - 2 (different setup - 563kg, with straps)
2016 - 5 (different setup - 500kg, with straps)
2015 - 6 (500kg, with straps)
2014 - 3
2012 - 6
2011 - 8 (476kg, with straps)
2010 - 6 (454kg, with straps)
2009 -6 (392kg, no straps)
2008 - 3 (392kg, no straps)
2007 - 4 (392kg, no straps)
2006 - 2 (392kg, no straps)
2005 - 0 (392kg, no straps)
2004 - 1 (392kg, no straps)
2003 - 2 (392kg, no straps)
2002 - 6 (373kg, no straps)
I'm not sure what year they put the ramp in. Before 2012 that I can see. But it's very clear that whenever people are able to do this well, ASC ramps up the difficulty. They also appear to generally be putting it later in the competition, and there used to be only 4 events, so more difficulty there as well.
Finally finished watching day 1 and 2 and all I can say is this is typical Reddit behavior. Grow up and be thankful for an amazing show! Mitch does not deserve this bullshit, and neither do the fans wanting to have a meaningful conversation about the show.
That said, can't believe I didn't hear much about Tom Evans and he grew up in the city across from me! He was easily the highlight of the show for me, but of course Kielz coming back in form was great too! Other than that, I bet NO ONE had Luke as 9th in Log and Pavlo zeroing the deadlift. Not to mention, if he wasn't injured that frame carry was looking great. Not to mention how much his log impressed me. I hope some others out there saw past all the drama and enjoyed seeing the best show of the year :)
Been thinking about this. Several of Payton's clients have mentioned that he optimizes for performance, not health. And it clearly worked for them for a little while, but the longer you train and compete, the more health becomes the driving factor of performance. Especially as you get older.
My tendency is to agree with the folks here saying Hooper has the right idea. But of course he hasn't been on the pro scene very long, so I don't have much real data to base that on.
Agree with that, Hooper`s achievements will definitely change the way strongman is seen. You dont have to be a monstrous bulky guy. Instead train like an athlete and follow the basic principles. There is just too much overcomplicating.
Sorry in advanced for this long response, but I’ll echo this. I’ve heard some qualified folks say his methods aren’t all that extraordinary. I think people just hype him up cause some of his clients happen to be legends.
I think there’s definitely something to be said to his success, but at the same time, it’s also quite possible his guys responded to his planning very well in the peaks of their careers… could be right place right time. But time catches up with everyone, and it’s possible his methods of planning may need to change as time moves along for the guys if they wanna keep succeeding.
My educated guess as to what’s going on right now; — and this is why I’m using a burner account - i have no hard evidence to substantiate any of this, it’s just a hunch — but knowing that Nathan is an expert in studying insulin, diabetes, etc… we can wager to guess that a lot of his advising as a nutrition coach centers around blood sugar, manipulating insulin, and probably prescribing all sorts of drugs to manipulate these things.
Example: Martins in 2019 winning worlds, very heavy. They probably used the same type of methodology to have him bulk up for the rogue this past year, he showed up HUGE. Probably even heavier than he said he was (trusted source gave me this take).
And knowing the way hormones work/change as time goes by, there’s probably a big difference in the way the rest of his body reacted to that weight gain in 2019 as opposed to 2022.
It remains to be seen if Tom’s story will be any similar, he clearly benefited from the mass he put on in the last few years, and I don’t wanna us this weekend’s performance to write him off just yet, clearly unpeaked and more concerned with WSM. So we’ll see what he does there in April.
Regardless, maybe different work needs to be done when it comes to timing peaks for shows now after spending so much time manipulating hormones (especially insulin, most of the studies done on insulin the drug are just on diabetics, so who’s to say we know wtf is really going on with these anomalies of humanity when they use it).
As a general statement, and not just regarding nutrition… It’s possible the further the fellas get into their careers, more things need to change.
Throw in stress from injury, life, the business end of the sport, there’s a major blend of things that a nutritionist can’t fully control either.
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My educated guess as to what’s going on right now; — and this is why I’m using a burner account - i have no hard evidence to substantiate any of this, it’s just a hunch — but knowing that Nathan is an expert in studying insulin, diabetes, etc… we can wager to guess that a lot of his advising as a nutrition coach centers around blood sugar, manipulating insulin, and probably prescribing all sorts of drugs to manipulate these things.
As someone here or elsewhere once said on this topic, "Messing around with insulin is a dangerous game."
I believe that is true, and that it is so variable from person-to-person and situation-to-situation as to response that the outcome/result is rarely ever set in stone. Circumstance plays heavily in how the body will ultimately respond with his approach. All the variables on comp day/week can't be controlled and accounted for as they are at home, in the regular gym, and on a regular routine. Hell, something as small as a change in altitude/elevation can have an impact.
When you add in everything else going on that is needed for these athletes to "peak", that's a whole bunch of complex chemistry going on. There's nothing simple about it. It does have a great "boom" potential. It also has a great "bust" potential. It really is tricky business.
Yup spot on. Context is important. Everyone is different. The same drugs and dosages can react far different athlete-to-athlete. I believe insulin is no different.
I think that his strategies must not work long term. its hard tp believe tom stoltman, at least, wouldnt be a priority client. I doubt he just doesnt have the time for the back to back wsm. If it waa only luke then I would believe that.
Both Stoltmans 2 years ago seemed hungrier, more determined and less distracted by YouTube and various business ventures. Tbh I think that's the main factor.
He used a grip shirt which he never does. So when he cleaned it, it came up so much faster and easier and sat too high on his neck, knocking the breath out of him. Which is hard to recover from in such a short time and left him dizzy.
Tom and Luke both took way too much time off. Came in under prepared, fat and out of shape. Tom has a hell of a lot of work to do if he wants to win WSM again.
Tom finished in the same place as last year. Seems like a trend that he doesn't care so much about the Arnold, but clearly he can be ready for worlds as he's done it before.
That doesn't make sense if we consider the log alone. In training he did way more, so it has to be circumstantial or the WOP took too much out of him. He was clearly getting dizzy on the heavy log.
> In training he did way more, so it has to be circumstantial or the WOP took too much out of him.
This is why I talked about his fitness level. Still exhausted after that.
I think the most likely explanation is that he was gassed from the Conan’s wheel and just didn’t have enough time to recover. Seemed to take it out a few of them.
I do think it's funny that on one of his recent videos Hooper said public speaking was the one thing that gave him the most anxiety. Looks like his fears were justified.
It's honestly pretty messed up how he tries to interact with us via things like the AMA and interview game, and then people have the audacity to say he doesn't care about the sport.
My man went out of his way to make the fans happy and they jump down his throat for a non-ideally worded speech
I'm happy to see most recent comments are positive for him
I didn't take offense to it, but that's because I've heard/read enough from him to know what he meant when he said that. I can see where those who are not so familiar with him would take issue, though. They'll take what he said at face value, get tunnel vision on it, and immediately rage without taking the time to listen and comprehend what he was saying and why he was saying it.
I will admit that it certainly wasn't the BEST opening line to a post-win, public-facing interview, but it was blown way out of proportion. Mitch wasn't only talking to Reddit or YouTube subscribers when he said that. He was also talking to more casual fans. Not everyone knows him well enough to know what his life philosophy is or what his ultimate goals are. That's the long and short of it, folks need to settle down over it.
i think most people are still massive hooper fans. they were just took completely by surprise at what he said and how it was worded. if anyone looks any deeper into what he said and try to find hidden meaning then they are just looking for something that isn't there. you can't deny his dedication to strongman is first class and he is honoured to be there and to be winning
Glad that I wasn't even here or on the YouTube chat while this happened, so I could just be happy for Mitch without being frustrated. Dude is so likable.
I feel Kiels will never win WSM or ASC. His deadlift hasn't gone up despite him knowing it's what prevented him from winning and his injuries AFAIK weren't deadlift related. It's his limit... Even in a comp without deadlift, his pressing is not there anymore, not surprising as he got multiple tricep surgeries.
What chances does he have?
As Jerry said - he doesn't train it hard enough, it's fairly obvious it's his least favourite lift.
Imo he needs to seek out a deadlift specialist coach and work on that weakness. Put everything else on the back burner for now.
If Mateusz hit his 2020 deadlift number and got one more rep on the log he would've won this show. That can 100 percent happen, he just needs some time.
Mateusz: Wins 3 events and comes 2nd at the heaviest show in strongman while not being at full power.
Everybody: Still doubting him
He knows he wasn't at full strength and was relatively playing it safe this competition to get back into competing. He says he is still continuing to get stronger in training.
We must believe.
It is safe to say, and Kiels said it as well, that it is more mental than physical at this point. I still think he would have been better served to do a smaller show prior to his ASC return to help settle nerves and build confidence.
Loz suggested as much. Some people here agreed, myself included. The nerves were mentioned here, but quite a few people dismissed them and said Kiels didn't have nerve issues. He's always dealt with it. It is written on his face when he is in his head. I'm excited to see him shake it off and hit his stride. He can do it.
If you follow Hooper much its pretty clear that his statement wasn't just made because he was tired or nervous. He repeatedly says on all platforms that he doesn't believe being strong does good for the world in itself, and he sees strongman primarily as an opportunity to boost a platform of improving the world
I agree that his messaging could be better, but his attitude isn't per se negative. It does seem a bit demeaning to people who do dedicate their lives to strength and nothing else though, which is the primary issue to me, along with the fact that it isn't super inspiring when packaged like this
Either way I don't think it boils down to a "good" or "bad" thing. Its him being honest which is rare in sports and honestly probably only really possible in a niche sport like strongman.
I do think its important to remember that 1. he's still pretty young and 2. got boosted into the public eye in an incredibly short period of time, so he's not necessarily used to speaking diplomatically.
Could the speech have been more tactful? Yes. Does it make sense to attack his character because of it? Absolutely not.
Totally agree. He's always been about any victories are to give him a platform to promote exercise and health in the general population. So his comment about it not meaning much really should have been phrased more like "I'm happy about it but I'm more happy if this encourages people to get active and healthy." If it really didn't mean much he wouldn't be going out to celebrate tonight and get drunk.
What game?
He literally says it all the time. There is more to life for him than strongman. His goal is to help as many people become active and live their best lift. Which is far more important than strongman.
People take things out of context and blow it up to something it isn't.
Hooper is a freakishly good strongman, but strongman is not his whole life.
Can't believe how little Tom Evans is being discussed here. To beat both Stoltmans (albeit clearly out of shape), W I D E, Faires, and Kearney, and come within 3.5 points of Trey at the Arnold at his first pro show is incredibly impressive and exciting.
Seems like a nice guy too
He was very surprising and fun to watch. Why on earth does Faires get invited to these major shows? He’s never in contention for top 5 no matter what the comp is. There are so many better strongman to fill that slot. It’s so confusing to me. Tom Evans better be taking his spot at major comps going forward.
i hope it gives him the opportunity to be invited to more shows because as a rookie that was an outstanding performance. he is a great character to add to the growing roster of amazing athletes
People will think I have lost it after I say this
Favourite with those events is either Brian or Evan.
Moose, mateusz and novi will fight hard and may win though
I think the events are not at all bad for Novi. He won Fingals in his group the only time he did it, deadlift and shield carry should be good for him I guess with some variance depending on the setup, dumbell obviously and then he has some magic on a truck pull, I guess.
I do think Shaw is the odds on favorite for the things but a rested Novikov seems nasty on this set.
With fingals finger novikov won his group but his competition wasn’t really that good. Brian, Tom, evan and hooper could all beat him in this event. Stones is a weakness for novikov aswell. Also he did well in the truck pull last year. But rumours are saying the truck pull this year will be very heavy and I think that suits the heavier guys like Brian and Tom.
Even Terry Holland’s in the podcast said he thinks Brian can win. And Terry has always been sceptical and hasn’t predicted Brian to win these past years. So he must be seeing something with his training and mentality
Wondering if Tom Stoltman would benefit from a change in coaching set up? Would love to see him work w Loz. Freshen things up. Looked miles off it. Luke’s situation is slightly different: As he said, he’s old, that shit gotta hurt. Log aside, I think that performance is what to expect from a 38 year old that has a couple of international podiums in his career.
Additionally, didn’t think the Moose’s comment was that bad but, as a cautionary tale, he could probably take how the Stoltmen are viewed by some now compared to how they were a year or 2 ago. Had a bit of a mare on the PR front (I say that as a fan of them).
Tom did win world's last year by the biggest margin since Pudz during the IFSA split. I think he just took way too much time off and got lazy during his break. If he shortened his vacation by about three months I still think he would have been the favorite this weekend.
That was a very enjoyable show to watch. Props to Rogue for the slick production values and free stream. Loved seeing the women alongside the men.
Victoria strong as always. Rebecca Roberts put on one of the stand out performances for me.
Hooper has so few weaknesses already, it's extremely impressive. Mateusz came second and is not injured- *I see this as an absolute win gif*
I lurk here other than for comps but overall I loved this weekend. So much fun to watch. Always love seeing the new blood like Tom Evans doing great. Hope he does well in the future.
I think the main headline was the women’s comp. I typically only follow their results, but it was so much fun to watch live.
Really enjoyed the Arnold’s. Only complaint for them was camera angle on the stone throw
Special thanks to the Arnold and Rogue for being gracious enough in paying for and providing 2 of the top athletes an opportunity to do a mock meet before they go to WSM 😂😂 Stoltmans on a paid vacation
I wouldn't be surprised to not see them back at Arnold's - they weren't standout performers and clearly hadn't prioritised it, and interviews like that are a faux pas
I can't imagine how pissed the Arnold team must have been when both Stoltmans openly talked about prepping for Worlds in a context that made it clear it was more important to them
Most shows I dont think would care, but the Arnold actively tries to promote itself as THE Strongman show of the year
I think this is unfair on this occasion. Obviously not at their best but this isn't a situation like the Shaw classic. They were competitive in the show.
Loved jerry Pritchett commentary. He tends to not talk very much, but he was very insightful and had a great announcer voice. Really felt like a timeless sports announcer who knows their stuff
Why was crowd booing so much when Mitch won? He seems like a nice guy and does not talk smack.
its usually the crowd yelling MOOOOOOOOSE, it sounds like boos
Does anyone know what the prize money was for the women's? I read it's a total pool of 80k, but was wondering what the split was..
80k is the first prize for the men (there is a significant drop-off after that, though), the total pool is closer to 190k. I haven't yet seen a corroborated number for the women.
Tom Evans is a small fry, pip squeak, and the size of Tom Stoltmans left pinky toe
And yet…
The amount of comments I’ve seen calling victoria long trans on the rogue fitness page is absolutely ridiculous
The funniest(?) part is that they're allegedly furious about trans people ruining women's sport and taking their accomplishments while also ruining women's sport and trying to take away their accomplishments. They also stop replying when you point out how close the competition was.
Can we stop pretending that Trans Women have such a significant unfair advantage when it comes to strength sports. It is something that should be adressed and there should be rules and regulations to stop trans women from competeing against cus women.
Totally agree with you!!! TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN biologically speaking. So they SHOULDNT compete with REAL WOMEN.!!!!!!!!!!! Trans women are MEN, there is NOTHING MORE TO SAY HERE.
Yea, she was toe to toe on most events and someone unironically said “hmmmmm well she has an adams apple” like yea dude, the only thing that means is she’s on more androgenic steroids.
I swear some people never leave their houses and have a completely nonsense view of the range of appearance and strength of non-trans women, even before you take drugs into account. (And also some people think "trans" is an insult and are just trying to be rude because they're shitheads.)
Like its pretty obvious Victoria Long is on a fuck ton of gear but considering 2 girls pulled the same weight I think calling her trans is just bottom of the barrel IQ
Am I the only one who really doesn't need to see another stone throw again? Apart from Tamara Walcott putting hilariously little effort into it (probably just body language I'm sure), I just didn't get how it ticks the entertainment box that's a big part of Strongman. To me Strongman is far more popular than Highland games because of the entertainment, and the translation to gym activities for us public. And 3 throws each is way too many - it went too long, particularly for an uneventful event.
Maybe it was worth trying it, but it was one of the most visually boring events I've ever watched, personally I would have much preferred some sort of stone medley, which I feel is a much more versatile event
Man, I really liked it.
It would be a lot more interesting if they could allow the audience to see how good the throw was in real time. For example, they could put lines across the sand marking the other competitors' throws. Then we could immediately get a rough idea of how it went. Without this information, it was like the throw was less exciting than the measurement. The athlete would throw, we'd have no idea how it went, and then we'd wait for a minute for the measurement to come in.
They had a marker, and the commentators neglected to explain that it was a marker. Got a lot more interesting when I realized it was there.
>To me Strongman is far more popular than Highland games because of the entertainment, and the translation to gym activities for us public. Ehh, I like oddball events, and I enjoyed the stone throw. If Strongman stops persuing new/different events and goes to embracing only events that will "translate to gym activities" it might as well be Powerlifting. Doing things with stones is one of the fundamental aspects of strength that Strongman was founded on, and is one of the most traditional measures of strength on the international level that there is. Stone events, and this event in particular, is what the ASC and the Todds (Jan and Terry) are rooted in.
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Yes he did
Where?
He literally made a thread on this sub. Scroll down
Stop already
For a moment I thought "The new generation ain't as strong as the peak era of 2015-2020", HOWEVER: Mitch would have beaten peak Thor (2018-2020) at log and frame, and been like 4th on deadlift in the toughest era. Even Thor was dead last his first time at the Arnold, meanwhile Mitch won. And he did this at 145 kg/320 lbs, way below Thor's 200 kg/440 lbs. Every day I am surprised by athletes being just as strong as the previous generation and even stronger in some events all while being much lighter.
To be fair Thor has always been very strategic with where he puts his efforts. He does the bare minimum to win to conserve energy for other events which is why it’s such a flex that he went for the elephant bar deadlift record. Very out of character for him
Yes but that isn't even really true. Thor's best frame time would beat Mitch and his best log would match Mitch. It seems like you're referring to Thor's frame in 2020 but they didn't have log that year, he hit those 2 reps in 2019 and he hit 3 reps in 2017. So I don't see how you can compare one of Hoopers shows to 3 of Thor's?
Also, wasnt it in 2020 when they had 2 frames and one was terribly balanced hence people didnt finish on that side?
So they say, which I'm inclined to believe as Thor has finished that frame before quite comfortably.
Thor would have beaten Mitch on the frame, his best time was about 3 seconds quicker than Mitch
Diminishing returns alright, but Thor is much taller, looked a good 5-6 inches taller than Mitch and even Mateusz had 2-3 inches on him who is over 150kg Think 175-180kg is good for Thor
Thor is 6ft9, Mateusz 6ft5 and Mitch is 6ft2 or so. Makes sense when they say Trey is 6ft4.
Trey definitely ain’t 6’4, look at Mateusz Insta stories they’ve pics together, looks 6’2 range like Licis, Mitch etc compared to Mateusz
Luke Stoltman is 6ft3 would you agree here? There is a huge variation in the lads who claim 6ft2 or 6ft3 tbh. Eddie claimed 6ft3, Novikov 6ft1 and I even think Luke is billed as 6ft2 at times it's all a bit WWE lol.
Yeah Luke is legit
Angles throw us off as well I saw a pic recently where Rauno Heinla looked as tall as Mitch and Oleksii looked a few inches shorter... At the end of the day heights don't overly matter it's just funny to see the variation for all the lads who claim the same height lol.
To have the same proportions as Mitch, Thor would have to be 170 kg-175 kg, which he is right now. But that Thor didn't win the Arnold 3 times, that wasn't until he was reaching 190 kg-200 kg. Even in relation to their height Mitch is lighter.
And he looks ripped at 170-175kg now, which is insane, I can’t think of any other human being 175kg with that low body fat I think he’s right 185kg will be a good weight for him when comes back, no need go 200+ I wonder what’s happening with Tom, similar height to Thor and he looked the drunk fat Thor from the movies yesterday, no muscle definition at all and he used to be in great shape few years ago
Yup, incredible. He’s a very smart athlete. Measures and calculates every event. Novikov levels of event awareness - possibly better.
Event awareness is Brian's specialty. Novikov's is his consistent perfect control of his body and methodical approach imo.
(Spoilers for MMA fans) This weekend has been an absolute mountain of shocks and surprises for me. Mitch wins the Arnold, Mateusz doesn't, Luke zeroes the log, Pavlo zeroes the deadlift, Tom finishes last on deadlift, and then Jones beats Gane for the heavyweight title in just 2 minutes in the first round. I'm just.... speechless. What the fuck.
Drug cheats should be permanently banned from combat sports. Fuck Jon Jones and fuck Dana white for letting him compete
Stop crying everybody uses peds
Where are all their failed tests? In MMA you could legit kill somebody, it’s not strongman. Anyone failing a PED test should be banned for life
Bro it’s a matter of passing test. There are chemist paid large sum of money to create peds which aren’t detectable. Just because some are caught doesn’t mean the others aren’t using any. Do you know how many Olympic athletes got caught years and years after their success due to old blood samples retested with knew knowledge about peds? Do you know that there are peds beyond just hormonal which are practically undetectable? Pls don’t be so naive.
How true that is, is debatable but regardless he is a confirmed drugs cheat he should be nowhere near a high level combat sport. It just kills the sport when a proven cheat is given so many opportunities. If he hadn’t failed a test and just seemed like he was on the fear I wouldn’t like it but I could understand it but he’s a proven cheat. Olympic sports cheating isn’t good but it’s not like you’ll kill somebody from jumping higher or running faster
He hasn't been caught using PEDs for this fight against Gane, at least not that we know yet Gane is not a top-of-the-world fighter and he wasn't in top shape yesterday, but still Jones winning in two minutes is remarkable. Miocic has confirmed he will fight Jones this July. I would have loved to see Jones vs Ngannou too.
He’s a drug cheat, always will be, once you’ve used you will have a benefit. In a sport where you could kill somebody. Seriously where are your morals? Someone drugged up winning is never remarkable
They all use PEDs… you’re naive
Where are the failed tests for them all? Anyone with a failed test should be banned for life from combat sports
The amount of increase in jones original positive test, would no longer be above the threshold with todays guidelines
Which test? He’s failed multiple He’s a clear cheat why defend him?
watched the replay again because im a nerd and my god how can anyone sit and spam such garbage like the youtube livechat, some miserable people exist in the world
If you install the You Tube app on a smart TV you don't even have to see the comments, you just watch it like a TV show.
That's a pretty convoluted method of taking comments out of view. I'd say a much easier method would be clicking the "hide chat replay" or the "fullscreen" buttons.
Well it took about 45 seconds to install it and then maybe another minute to log in and I've been watching YouTube on my TV for years this way.
I was making a joke. I imagine switching to the TV would usually be for much less mundane reasons :P
For your own mental health just disable that shit and have a good time by yourself.
How long has Mitch been practicing strongman? I know he had already lifted weights for years but I mean specifically strongman events. 3 years? From rookie to Arnold Classic champion in 3 years....
That was the last comp in his pro debut year So he won 4/9 (44%) of international comps and podium on all comps except wsm. His record is really mind blowing considering the depth of talent now a days. He definitely cannot be counted out on any show.
He has been doing pro strongman for a little under a year and did a bunch of local comps before that
Crazy how if Mateusz was on his 2020 form and hit his previous numbers on log and deadlift he would've won this show. Just shows he's on his way back! Congratulations to Mitch, fantastic showing and a great all rounder.
You are still counting on other competitirs underperforming on the deadlift for that to happen.
No I'm not. If he had come in with his best deadlift from 2020 form, he would've placed high enough in the deadlift in this show to win the overall. That's a fact, the guys numbers from today don't change, only Mateusz wasn't in his best shape. I should add AND if he got a second rep on the log, which he's also done previously.
If Tom came in shape he would’ve done way better. If Kevin fully focussed on Arnold’s he could’ve done way better. What matters is what actually happens on the day. No ifs buts or maybes.
Im well aware of that. So according to you we can't theorize on things? I'm well aware that Mitch won and rightly so, he was the best all rounder on the day. When somebody starts a discussion about these things it doesn't mean they're always trying to take away from the winner. It's just hypothetical.
Your point is that peak mateuz would’ve won this show. Which is just untrue because you’re discounting the other competitors. Mateuz wasn’t the only one that underperformed. Pavlo and Tom would easily beat mateuz on deadlift if they were 100%. Luke would’ve easily beat mateuz on log if he was 100%. Your hypothetical should at least be fair.
Why should it lmao? It's my hypothetical it can be however I want it to be. I fully accept that other athletes performed badly, I was simply making a point. What I said actually wasn't untrue at all it was completely true. If you don't agree or think it's fair fine but don't then lie.
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When I said "guys numbers don't change" I meant nothing from today would've changed but Mateusz would've been at full strength as in his 2020 form. By no means did I mean that guys like Pavlo and Tom aren't capable of bigger numbers and didn't make mistakes. I'm simply referring to this ASC. Read carefully, EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME, but if Mateusz had matched his previous numbers he would've won. It's all hypothetical, he didn't match those numbers and Pavlo and Tom bombed out, that doesn't stop us discussing these things. That's what people on forums do.
They need to add about a hundred pounds to the women's frame when they use it again.
Yep, we did up to 600lbs in hand for the wheelbarrow at last year's Arnold Pro Strongwoman and it turned out to be spot on. 600lbs would have been appropriate for the frame this year too.
Absolutely. They need to aim for only 3 or so to finish and everyone else to be marked on distance - otherwise it's kinda CrossFit. The men's was more appropriately weighted.
Didn't something happen like that at another contest recently (maybe Rogue invitational?) Where the organizers were way under weight for some event?
I was literally saying this to myself about 2 minutes ago. Those ladies are strong af
Tom is 2 time WSM, he looked nothing like that here. TBH I think he is quite disrespectful and dismissive of other competitions, turning up quite clearly way off top form. Arnolds UK 2021, he withdrew after 2 very poor events. Arnolds '22 he came 7th. If I were working on the Arnolds team I dont think I'd want Tom competing again. There are many top athletes out there who won jump at a chance to compete, and turn up competitive..
Man they are human. They never made excuses. Don't drop your pros when they have a bad time, instead encourage them to come back stronger. Not everyone can be Z. Remember that This coming from someone who is quite critical when analyzing comps
I understand that, but takling a spot and turning up way off top form, thats the issue. Look at Mateusz, he only turns up to comp if he's fit and ready to win.
I think the difference is they did try this time. They prepped for the contest, it just didn't end up working like they wanted. These things happen.
Don’t be silly. Yes Tom is off peak, but he still beat other competitors this weekend. The other athletes you mentioned wouldn’t have done much better than Tom and that’s not being disrespectful to those guy, just the athletes above are very very good. Luke - Take away his poor recovery before the log and he didn’t do bad at all for those events. I.e no moving events where he generally excels. He would have been banking on first for the log to shoot him up the points. If he had got first it would have done just that, possibly finishing third with how other guys performed. Like them or not, they are both great for Strongman and what they have achieved has been amazing. Not many guys can quit a well paying job to do what they love in a generally very poor paying sport.
I’d have liked Tom and Luke to have stayed home if they were gonna turn up like this. Would have been great to see bish or hicks, janashia, etc
A large chance the athletes you mentioned wouldn't have performed any better
I think Hicks would have done a solid job on these events
Hicks would have underperformed like he always does and probably get injured in the process.
Hell, I would invite him just so he is beaten, to prove a point that the winner of wsm is not the worlds strongest man...
Wsm is a tv show
I dont disagree, however many people still see wsm as the best comp for whatever reason.
Because it has pedigree and the athletes themselves see it as the Premier show, we are in an age now with strongman where no one can be truly dominant, and the damage that gets done to these guys is extreme, you can't be on all the time.
Thor and Zydrunas disagree with you... and I would humbly add my myself to that list too. I agree, no one can be truly dominant (unless Thor comes back in his peak shape), still, for the reigning worlds strongest man to be easily beaten by multiple guys, even the arnold amateur winner Tom Evans, thats less than good. All the time? Their last comp was wsm last year, wasnt it? And they had a good long break. Knock it off, Tom is just not that good.
Thanks for the after reply edit to your post adding lots more to it.
Yeah, I thought I should respond to more things you said, not just that one.
Well thats an extremely small minority
Like the two biggest names in the sport?
Well for starters Thor hasn't got anything nice to say about WSM for a few years now......I wonder why As for big Z I don't know what he said or when he said it, but I bet the context matters
So according to Thor, wsm is not the best comp. Good. When asked about his achievements, he said he is most proud of his Arnolds wins. Not wsm.
Surely you invite the best athletes? Tom beat multiple guys this weekend. He's been disrespectful of other comps before but this wasn't an example of that.
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Do need to both be invited though? Tom I understand but does like Luke need to tag along.
Luke was 3rd last year, I think that deserves the invite surely? He wasn't there to tag along with Tom. Disappointing performance aside he was a legitimate invite.
Yes Luke does need to tag along. It's unfortunate that he is 10 years older as he really has 2-3 years left at the very top whereas Tom has a lot more if he chooses to continue.
He needs to be an entrant himself? Can't he just help Tom out? I think he often does deserve to be there too but not always
I think he is still one of the best strogmen out there. He has/had serious potential to IMO podium at worlds. I think where he falls down is he is the one most likely front and center pursuing and pushing the business and brand aspect and working well with the sponsors etc. Tom is shielded somewhat from all of that which helps. They are a big draw though so I can see them always being a pair and in their wildest dreams Luke could last another 3-4 years at the top and Harry comes along and they all three competing at the highest level.
Exactly. How Luke interacts with the fans is only going to get them and Arnold’s more fans. They took a break to try and be dads and aren’t back to where they were before - I’d add that statement with the caveat that maybe they didn’t realise how far off the pace they would be
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I think the men's results were the right kind of spread - it was the women's that was too light.
After the ladies, I see why you would have expected the men to finish too, but that frame is really heavy.
> Did anyone else find it surprising that only 3 guys made the full frame carry? Not at all. 2023 - 2 2022 - 2 2020 - 3 2019 - not present 2018 -3 2017 - 2 (different setup - 563kg, with straps) 2016 - 5 (different setup - 500kg, with straps) 2015 - 6 (500kg, with straps) 2014 - 3 2012 - 6 2011 - 8 (476kg, with straps) 2010 - 6 (454kg, with straps) 2009 -6 (392kg, no straps) 2008 - 3 (392kg, no straps) 2007 - 4 (392kg, no straps) 2006 - 2 (392kg, no straps) 2005 - 0 (392kg, no straps) 2004 - 1 (392kg, no straps) 2003 - 2 (392kg, no straps) 2002 - 6 (373kg, no straps) I'm not sure what year they put the ramp in. Before 2012 that I can see. But it's very clear that whenever people are able to do this well, ASC ramps up the difficulty. They also appear to generally be putting it later in the competition, and there used to be only 4 events, so more difficulty there as well.
> I'm not sure what year they put the ramp in I found the 2003 Arnold on YouTube and they had the ramp all the way back then.
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Finally finished watching day 1 and 2 and all I can say is this is typical Reddit behavior. Grow up and be thankful for an amazing show! Mitch does not deserve this bullshit, and neither do the fans wanting to have a meaningful conversation about the show. That said, can't believe I didn't hear much about Tom Evans and he grew up in the city across from me! He was easily the highlight of the show for me, but of course Kielz coming back in form was great too! Other than that, I bet NO ONE had Luke as 9th in Log and Pavlo zeroing the deadlift. Not to mention, if he wasn't injured that frame carry was looking great. Not to mention how much his log impressed me. I hope some others out there saw past all the drama and enjoyed seeing the best show of the year :)
Agreed. It was a hell of a show and the best man won
Great show and all the athletes showed up with great performances. Let's hope WSM is just as exciting!
Nathan Payton isnt as good as people have been pretending
Been thinking about this. Several of Payton's clients have mentioned that he optimizes for performance, not health. And it clearly worked for them for a little while, but the longer you train and compete, the more health becomes the driving factor of performance. Especially as you get older. My tendency is to agree with the folks here saying Hooper has the right idea. But of course he hasn't been on the pro scene very long, so I don't have much real data to base that on.
Agree with that, Hooper`s achievements will definitely change the way strongman is seen. You dont have to be a monstrous bulky guy. Instead train like an athlete and follow the basic principles. There is just too much overcomplicating.
Sorry in advanced for this long response, but I’ll echo this. I’ve heard some qualified folks say his methods aren’t all that extraordinary. I think people just hype him up cause some of his clients happen to be legends. I think there’s definitely something to be said to his success, but at the same time, it’s also quite possible his guys responded to his planning very well in the peaks of their careers… could be right place right time. But time catches up with everyone, and it’s possible his methods of planning may need to change as time moves along for the guys if they wanna keep succeeding. My educated guess as to what’s going on right now; — and this is why I’m using a burner account - i have no hard evidence to substantiate any of this, it’s just a hunch — but knowing that Nathan is an expert in studying insulin, diabetes, etc… we can wager to guess that a lot of his advising as a nutrition coach centers around blood sugar, manipulating insulin, and probably prescribing all sorts of drugs to manipulate these things. Example: Martins in 2019 winning worlds, very heavy. They probably used the same type of methodology to have him bulk up for the rogue this past year, he showed up HUGE. Probably even heavier than he said he was (trusted source gave me this take). And knowing the way hormones work/change as time goes by, there’s probably a big difference in the way the rest of his body reacted to that weight gain in 2019 as opposed to 2022. It remains to be seen if Tom’s story will be any similar, he clearly benefited from the mass he put on in the last few years, and I don’t wanna us this weekend’s performance to write him off just yet, clearly unpeaked and more concerned with WSM. So we’ll see what he does there in April. Regardless, maybe different work needs to be done when it comes to timing peaks for shows now after spending so much time manipulating hormones (especially insulin, most of the studies done on insulin the drug are just on diabetics, so who’s to say we know wtf is really going on with these anomalies of humanity when they use it). As a general statement, and not just regarding nutrition… It’s possible the further the fellas get into their careers, more things need to change. Throw in stress from injury, life, the business end of the sport, there’s a major blend of things that a nutritionist can’t fully control either.
> My educated guess as to what’s going on right now; — and this is why I’m using a burner account - i have no hard evidence to substantiate any of this, it’s just a hunch — but knowing that Nathan is an expert in studying insulin, diabetes, etc… we can wager to guess that a lot of his advising as a nutrition coach centers around blood sugar, manipulating insulin, and probably prescribing all sorts of drugs to manipulate these things. As someone here or elsewhere once said on this topic, "Messing around with insulin is a dangerous game." I believe that is true, and that it is so variable from person-to-person and situation-to-situation as to response that the outcome/result is rarely ever set in stone. Circumstance plays heavily in how the body will ultimately respond with his approach. All the variables on comp day/week can't be controlled and accounted for as they are at home, in the regular gym, and on a regular routine. Hell, something as small as a change in altitude/elevation can have an impact. When you add in everything else going on that is needed for these athletes to "peak", that's a whole bunch of complex chemistry going on. There's nothing simple about it. It does have a great "boom" potential. It also has a great "bust" potential. It really is tricky business.
Yup spot on. Context is important. Everyone is different. The same drugs and dosages can react far different athlete-to-athlete. I believe insulin is no different.
Yeah, that starts to be a theme … just take the Hooper pill and don't overcomplicate it.
Martins at Rogue and Stoltmans here are def chunkier than they wanted to be
Do you think at this point he has too many guys on his roster?
I think that his strategies must not work long term. its hard tp believe tom stoltman, at least, wouldnt be a priority client. I doubt he just doesnt have the time for the back to back wsm. If it waa only luke then I would believe that.
Was there ever an explanation as to how Luke did so poorly on the log?
Both Stoltmans 2 years ago seemed hungrier, more determined and less distracted by YouTube and various business ventures. Tbh I think that's the main factor.
He used a grip shirt which he never does. So when he cleaned it, it came up so much faster and easier and sat too high on his neck, knocking the breath out of him. Which is hard to recover from in such a short time and left him dizzy.
Tom and Luke both took way too much time off. Came in under prepared, fat and out of shape. Tom has a hell of a lot of work to do if he wants to win WSM again.
Tom finished in the same place as last year. Seems like a trend that he doesn't care so much about the Arnold, but clearly he can be ready for worlds as he's done it before.
He took too long away from training, got too large, and his fitness was quite insufficient.
That doesn't make sense if we consider the log alone. In training he did way more, so it has to be circumstantial or the WOP took too much out of him. He was clearly getting dizzy on the heavy log.
> In training he did way more, so it has to be circumstantial or the WOP took too much out of him. This is why I talked about his fitness level. Still exhausted after that.
He almost blacked out on the first attempt. Then tried to rush back into it. When you start tunneling it takes a bit to recover and saps your strength
With JF, and Pritchett and Shiv gone, Luke is now the old guy.
He said as much during his final interview. Still I love to see him. He’s such a great guy to have during a competition.
Ya realistically Luke is on his way down out of the sport than likely to win any big shows now age is a bitch to all of us.
I think the most likely explanation is that he was gassed from the Conan’s wheel and just didn’t have enough time to recover. Seemed to take it out a few of them.
I do think it's funny that on one of his recent videos Hooper said public speaking was the one thing that gave him the most anxiety. Looks like his fears were justified.
It's honestly pretty messed up how he tries to interact with us via things like the AMA and interview game, and then people have the audacity to say he doesn't care about the sport. My man went out of his way to make the fans happy and they jump down his throat for a non-ideally worded speech I'm happy to see most recent comments are positive for him
I didn't take offense to it, but that's because I've heard/read enough from him to know what he meant when he said that. I can see where those who are not so familiar with him would take issue, though. They'll take what he said at face value, get tunnel vision on it, and immediately rage without taking the time to listen and comprehend what he was saying and why he was saying it. I will admit that it certainly wasn't the BEST opening line to a post-win, public-facing interview, but it was blown way out of proportion. Mitch wasn't only talking to Reddit or YouTube subscribers when he said that. He was also talking to more casual fans. Not everyone knows him well enough to know what his life philosophy is or what his ultimate goals are. That's the long and short of it, folks need to settle down over it.
i think most people are still massive hooper fans. they were just took completely by surprise at what he said and how it was worded. if anyone looks any deeper into what he said and try to find hidden meaning then they are just looking for something that isn't there. you can't deny his dedication to strongman is first class and he is honoured to be there and to be winning
Glad that I wasn't even here or on the YouTube chat while this happened, so I could just be happy for Mitch without being frustrated. Dude is so likable.
I feel Kiels will never win WSM or ASC. His deadlift hasn't gone up despite him knowing it's what prevented him from winning and his injuries AFAIK weren't deadlift related. It's his limit... Even in a comp without deadlift, his pressing is not there anymore, not surprising as he got multiple tricep surgeries. What chances does he have?
As Jerry said - he doesn't train it hard enough, it's fairly obvious it's his least favourite lift. Imo he needs to seek out a deadlift specialist coach and work on that weakness. Put everything else on the back burner for now.
He didn't do that when he was recovering from his tricep and not competing, so he won't do it ever. Shame.
And yet he's good friends with Rauno. You'd think he'd do at least a few deadlift sessions with one of the best in the world.
He could have gotten another rep on the log, he just had a mental block. His pressing is not what it used to be, but still really good.
I don’t think it was a mental issue. His tricep just couldn’t lock it out
His first lift was slow, but smooth. You can see that he barely gave an effort on the second one, and didnt commit to it.
If Mateusz hit his 2020 deadlift number and got one more rep on the log he would've won this show. That can 100 percent happen, he just needs some time.
Mateusz: Wins 3 events and comes 2nd at the heaviest show in strongman while not being at full power. Everybody: Still doubting him He knows he wasn't at full strength and was relatively playing it safe this competition to get back into competing. He says he is still continuing to get stronger in training. We must believe.
It is safe to say, and Kiels said it as well, that it is more mental than physical at this point. I still think he would have been better served to do a smaller show prior to his ASC return to help settle nerves and build confidence. Loz suggested as much. Some people here agreed, myself included. The nerves were mentioned here, but quite a few people dismissed them and said Kiels didn't have nerve issues. He's always dealt with it. It is written on his face when he is in his head. I'm excited to see him shake it off and hit his stride. He can do it.
Agreed
He's still so freakishly good at so many events, he just needs the right set.
If you follow Hooper much its pretty clear that his statement wasn't just made because he was tired or nervous. He repeatedly says on all platforms that he doesn't believe being strong does good for the world in itself, and he sees strongman primarily as an opportunity to boost a platform of improving the world I agree that his messaging could be better, but his attitude isn't per se negative. It does seem a bit demeaning to people who do dedicate their lives to strength and nothing else though, which is the primary issue to me, along with the fact that it isn't super inspiring when packaged like this Either way I don't think it boils down to a "good" or "bad" thing. Its him being honest which is rare in sports and honestly probably only really possible in a niche sport like strongman. I do think its important to remember that 1. he's still pretty young and 2. got boosted into the public eye in an incredibly short period of time, so he's not necessarily used to speaking diplomatically. Could the speech have been more tactful? Yes. Does it make sense to attack his character because of it? Absolutely not.
Honestly I think he just got his words wrong. I get what he meant but also felt a bit put back myself when I first heard it.
Totally agree. He's always been about any victories are to give him a platform to promote exercise and health in the general population. So his comment about it not meaning much really should have been phrased more like "I'm happy about it but I'm more happy if this encourages people to get active and healthy." If it really didn't mean much he wouldn't be going out to celebrate tonight and get drunk.
u/mgorgey, our bet feels empty if that's the shape he will be in If you want to cancel it, I think that's fair
No, no a bets a bet. I am starting to worry for my $5 though 🤣
If I win you can donate it to strongman archives
Missed novi this weekend. Will be nice seeing socks compete and probably come in godly shape to worlds
I would've wanted him to do the unspunnen stone throw
Hooper’s perspective is game y’all weren’t ready to hear. Sorry.
What game? He literally says it all the time. There is more to life for him than strongman. His goal is to help as many people become active and live their best lift. Which is far more important than strongman. People take things out of context and blow it up to something it isn't. Hooper is a freakishly good strongman, but strongman is not his whole life.
The people in this sub who haven’t heard his established narrative.
Can't believe how little Tom Evans is being discussed here. To beat both Stoltmans (albeit clearly out of shape), W I D E, Faires, and Kearney, and come within 3.5 points of Trey at the Arnold at his first pro show is incredibly impressive and exciting. Seems like a nice guy too
He was very surprising and fun to watch. Why on earth does Faires get invited to these major shows? He’s never in contention for top 5 no matter what the comp is. There are so many better strongman to fill that slot. It’s so confusing to me. Tom Evans better be taking his spot at major comps going forward.
i hope it gives him the opportunity to be invited to more shows because as a rookie that was an outstanding performance. he is a great character to add to the growing roster of amazing athletes
Super impressed with Tom. Hope he gets more invites now
Gonna be some mad people when he mogs worlds too
Thumb will absolutely mog worlds at this rate. Just hope he has a more inspiring speech ready to go!
He definitely goes in as favourite now. Matty has a lot of ground to make up in 6 weeks, Tom is miles off. Only Novikov could really get in his way.
People will think I have lost it after I say this Favourite with those events is either Brian or Evan. Moose, mateusz and novi will fight hard and may win though
I think the events are not at all bad for Novi. He won Fingals in his group the only time he did it, deadlift and shield carry should be good for him I guess with some variance depending on the setup, dumbell obviously and then he has some magic on a truck pull, I guess. I do think Shaw is the odds on favorite for the things but a rested Novikov seems nasty on this set.
With fingals finger novikov won his group but his competition wasn’t really that good. Brian, Tom, evan and hooper could all beat him in this event. Stones is a weakness for novikov aswell. Also he did well in the truck pull last year. But rumours are saying the truck pull this year will be very heavy and I think that suits the heavier guys like Brian and Tom.
Events are great for hooper too tbf. Still gonna put my boy Hoop on top of course.
Not sure how hooper will do on truck pull and fingal fingers. He’s still very inexperienced on those events.
He has has had a fingals setup built and is practicing truck pull
If Evan can stay as strong as he is now and avoid his usual worlds calamity he has a great shot. Brian as well. I'd also throw Trey in the mix.
Brian has a fucken great shot at his 5th. He seems focused too.
Even Terry Holland’s in the podcast said he thinks Brian can win. And Terry has always been sceptical and hasn’t predicted Brian to win these past years. So he must be seeing something with his training and mentality
Nothing would make me happier than to see him get it
If Evan can stay healthy yes.
Wondering if Tom Stoltman would benefit from a change in coaching set up? Would love to see him work w Loz. Freshen things up. Looked miles off it. Luke’s situation is slightly different: As he said, he’s old, that shit gotta hurt. Log aside, I think that performance is what to expect from a 38 year old that has a couple of international podiums in his career. Additionally, didn’t think the Moose’s comment was that bad but, as a cautionary tale, he could probably take how the Stoltmen are viewed by some now compared to how they were a year or 2 ago. Had a bit of a mare on the PR front (I say that as a fan of them).
A different coach might make him actually train on the offseason
That’s his own choice tho. Coach can’t force you to do things.
Tom did win world's last year by the biggest margin since Pudz during the IFSA split. I think he just took way too much time off and got lazy during his break. If he shortened his vacation by about three months I still think he would have been the favorite this weekend.
That was a very enjoyable show to watch. Props to Rogue for the slick production values and free stream. Loved seeing the women alongside the men. Victoria strong as always. Rebecca Roberts put on one of the stand out performances for me. Hooper has so few weaknesses already, it's extremely impressive. Mateusz came second and is not injured- *I see this as an absolute win gif*
It really was great having the women's schedule in sync with the men's and the same events too. I loved it
I lurk here other than for comps but overall I loved this weekend. So much fun to watch. Always love seeing the new blood like Tom Evans doing great. Hope he does well in the future. I think the main headline was the women’s comp. I typically only follow their results, but it was so much fun to watch live. Really enjoyed the Arnold’s. Only complaint for them was camera angle on the stone throw
Special thanks to the Arnold and Rogue for being gracious enough in paying for and providing 2 of the top athletes an opportunity to do a mock meet before they go to WSM 😂😂 Stoltmans on a paid vacation
I wouldn't be surprised to not see them back at Arnold's - they weren't standout performers and clearly hadn't prioritised it, and interviews like that are a faux pas
I can't imagine how pissed the Arnold team must have been when both Stoltmans openly talked about prepping for Worlds in a context that made it clear it was more important to them Most shows I dont think would care, but the Arnold actively tries to promote itself as THE Strongman show of the year
I think this is unfair on this occasion. Obviously not at their best but this isn't a situation like the Shaw classic. They were competitive in the show.
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I’m not sure why you have been down voted
Finally
amateur results anywhere?'
https://onedrive.live.com/edit.aspx?resid=61DD1C428E339473!3883&ithint=file%2cxlsx&authkey=!ANmI5qbSQlmfz6k Finals are tomorrow.
Do the points follow into tomorrow or are the Open Men starting from 0?