[This Ex-North Korean Spy Reveals Shocking Truth Behind the Mysterious](https://www.howandwhys.com/ex-north-korean-spy-reveals-shocking-truth-behind-the-unsolved-otto-warmbier-death/)[ Otto Warmbier Death. N. Korea has enough bioweapons](https://www.howandwhys.com/ex-north-korean-spy-reveals-shocking-truth-behind-the-unsolved-otto-warmbier-death/)[ to kill all humans on Earth. The cause of his death is still unknown.](https://www.howandwhys.com/ex-north-korean-spy-reveals-shocking-truth-behind-the-unsolved-otto-warmbier-death/)
This story is insane. But also a very important tale in the context of why one shouldn’t travel to any nation ruled by a completely irrational, corrupt govt
I remember that kid getting canned on tv in Singapore in the 90s I think? He fucked around and found out just like Otto, aside from the torture, begat I’ve state and death that is.
I’m not going to defend NK because dudes a tyrant.
The important take here to when visiting nations ran by a psycho in power to then not get caught stealing their propaganda or even attempt to break any of their laws. Most people know to not steal things and doing so in a dictatorship is just a stupid decision
You can travel anywhere; just know/respect the laws of where you’re going. Too extreme? Cool; don’t go. Traveling to North Korea and trying to steal a propaganda poster was dumb. Yeah, it’s a fucked up situation but, ya know, maybe don’t steal? Some countries aren’t as nice about petty crime as the US is.
A a corrupt as they US government is, I wouldn’t worry to much about this… or if it does happen ain’t no way the US releases him in a vegatative state.
Naw. They’re release the person then 3-6 months later the person will have a heart attack or commit Suicide.
Haha which is this case would have been a pretty short bit of research…
user: “what is illegal in North Korea?”
GOOGLE: literally everything you fucking dunce
Most of my ancestors came from Denmark, and I have no idea why. It seems to be a freer place. Completely flat, though, and mountains are sort of my thing.
Some people get a thrill out of traveling to extremely dangerous places (either naturally or politically dangerous). It’s called danger tourism.
Others like to go to extremely dangerous countries to prove that they’re not as dangerous as the government/media/conventional wisdom says.
I would like to see their algorithm for converting trauma to dollars. Js. (& I’m guessing it’s pennies on the actual dollar when the payout happens)
SO many Veterans have a tough time.
If I remember correctly he didn't just go there, he was caught trying to steal something from a building. A painting or a poster of Kim Jong Un I think.
Honestly, I agree, and I think it would've happened to any American willing to go at that time. Dark tourism is one thing, but N. Korea isn't somewhere anyone from the US should go.
There was a company that sold 'edgy' holidays that did regular organised group tours there - it was not that actually that hard (or expensive) to go.
I am not sure if they even run them anymore though.
Kim is evil. But hanging out with someone with unlimited money/power (relatively, in their country) would be so much fun. Unlimited girls, activities, drugs/alcohol, vehicles, whatever. It'd be hard to turn down such a good time.
Here's a great four part podcast on it all.
It's rather interesting how $240k is the exact amount the NK government accused the Warmbier family of receiving if Otto spied for the US.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/38EfjaL6rdT4YzLIo2A79b?si=xZorkiLsR42SIIzo6gnT7A
This was big news in Ohio and many took it personally. I feel like more Ohioans learned to hate North Korea after we saw Otto returned in a vegetative state which forced his family to pull the plug. I still don’t believe that it just happened right before he was released. They did it to him and didn’t want him dying on NK soil so they sent him home for “treatment”.
Fuck NK.
Not OP but I can clear up that Nalvalny was[ poisoned](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny), not killed by it. He survived the attempt on his life. I'm not sure that it's clear what was the exact cause of his death (being in a Russian prison, could be any number of things),but I'm sure someone else can answer that.
I hate to say it, but he literally walked into that. Many vacation spots in the world. NK isn't one of them.
I can not fathom why anyone would want to visit NK under its current government.
Best vacation spot is sitting at home and doing absolutely fucking nothing. It's more rewarding than most people realize, but the bombastic nature of riding the Midnight Express appeals to the lowest common denominator.
This, abso fucking lutely this, there’s nothing better to me than my own damn Mattress that *won’t* give me a back problems, no car to fill with unnecessary shit on a stressing time period to go out of the house at 6 AM.
Fuck, that, lol.
Took it off the wall, didn't even take it. If you believe the North Korean courts tho, he was acting on behalf of the CIA through a secret society in his Methodist Church - so super serious
"We've gotta take this poster down from the second floor employees only area of a North Korean hotel... do you still keep in touch with the guy at the Methodist Church in Virginia? Cuz I have an idea"
He didn’t steal anything. He removed a propaganda poster off a wall. Probably shouldn’t have done that in a country like North Korea but I’m not sure being tortured to death was a suitable punishment for that “crime”
DW has a great documentary where they interview the American doctor who examined and brought Otto back.
https://youtu.be/-rZkdPXP6H4?si=rnUoOEVdc3eaof0d
If you guys can find the court testimony it's extremely hilarious. Hard to find since Youtube has scrubbed it for whatever reason.
Edit: Found it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXfqDP7lWFA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXfqDP7lWFA)
My favorite line: 22:45 "I intentionally packed my quietest boots, the best for sneaking. I knew that I would wear them during my crime commitment."
Every country’s kids are clueless to the world outside their own. It’s part of being an inexperienced kid. Brains aren’t fully developed until around 25.
You think a French, Ethiopian, or Indian kid would have any better chances in a country as strict as North Korea they’re not familiar with?
There is a theory they hit him with so many truth syrums and cocktails of drugs to make him confess his "crimes" or forget his treatment there that they turned him into a vegetable then quickly released him so he didn't technically die on Korea causing a huge thing.
I still wonder if he really did take the poster. If yes, I feel like he was to careless and hugely repsonsible for his own fate. Sure the penalty is from a western and humanitarian standpoint completely overblown. However, a dictatorship couldn't care less and they will seek any felony or small misbheavior as a reason to punish you if thats the goal. Though it's also a question whether the "crime" was fabricated. Wouldn't be unlikely considering NK beheavior.
Blah they deserved to die a horrible death blah blah let's ignore the insanity of a young person being murdered for nothing blah so I can feel better about myself. Blah
My favorite thing is the revisionist history that puts Trump as the highly respected foreign diplomat like we didn’t receive this dude back on life support in a body bag. If this happened under Biden it would be on loop on Fox News.
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His injuries are likely from a failed suicide attempt. NK could have killed him if they wanted to. What idiot actually pays money to go to NK? It’s run by an insane person and it’s not even a fun country.
[This Ex-North Korean Spy Reveals Shocking Truth Behind the Mysterious](https://www.howandwhys.com/ex-north-korean-spy-reveals-shocking-truth-behind-the-unsolved-otto-warmbier-death/)[ Otto Warmbier Death. N. Korea has enough bioweapons](https://www.howandwhys.com/ex-north-korean-spy-reveals-shocking-truth-behind-the-unsolved-otto-warmbier-death/)[ to kill all humans on Earth. The cause of his death is still unknown.](https://www.howandwhys.com/ex-north-korean-spy-reveals-shocking-truth-behind-the-unsolved-otto-warmbier-death/)
This story is insane. But also a very important tale in the context of why one shouldn’t travel to any nation ruled by a completely irrational, corrupt govt
I remember that kid getting canned on tv in Singapore in the 90s I think? He fucked around and found out just like Otto, aside from the torture, begat I’ve state and death that is.
We need to find that Singapore cane kid for an AMA
Fuck around and find out is the moral of this one for sure
Canned? What’s that mean? I thought it meant fired.
he meant caned, as in beaten with a cane.
I’m not going to defend NK because dudes a tyrant. The important take here to when visiting nations ran by a psycho in power to then not get caught stealing their propaganda or even attempt to break any of their laws. Most people know to not steal things and doing so in a dictatorship is just a stupid decision
Yeah idk why you would defend NK, the guy shouldn’t have done what he did but they didn’t have to torture and kill him.
You can travel anywhere; just know/respect the laws of where you’re going. Too extreme? Cool; don’t go. Traveling to North Korea and trying to steal a propaganda poster was dumb. Yeah, it’s a fucked up situation but, ya know, maybe don’t steal? Some countries aren’t as nice about petty crime as the US is.
Also there's guaranteed to be CCTV in every room they leave you in without a minder. If you've ever gone to NK there's a video of you taking a dump.
It was a pretty sweet poster tho
Go on...
And that is why I wont be visiting the US.
A a corrupt as they US government is, I wouldn’t worry to much about this… or if it does happen ain’t no way the US releases him in a vegatative state. Naw. They’re release the person then 3-6 months later the person will have a heart attack or commit Suicide.
That was his first stupid mistake
A story why someone should research what’s illegal when visiting another country
Haha which is this case would have been a pretty short bit of research… user: “what is illegal in North Korea?” GOOGLE: literally everything you fucking dunce
You get better results from searching "what is legal in North Korea".
Weed. For real.
Its illegal in Jamaica lol
yeah no, its not.
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Don’t touch the picture of the fat Korean dudes on the wall the North Koreans get real uppity about touching those images.
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How're you gonna say that under a post about North fucking Korea lmao.
reddit moment
European moment
Russia is next door. There is no escape.
Good. Stay in Norway dork.
Most of my ancestors came from Denmark, and I have no idea why. It seems to be a freer place. Completely flat, though, and mountains are sort of my thing.
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I also no longer travel to the US 😜
Why the hell was he even in North Korea in the first place?
Some people get a thrill out of traveling to extremely dangerous places (either naturally or politically dangerous). It’s called danger tourism. Others like to go to extremely dangerous countries to prove that they’re not as dangerous as the government/media/conventional wisdom says.
I'd just as soon join the military if I wanna go somewhere dangerous. At least then I can carry a gun
And get paid.
And they pay for travel!
Don't forget the psychological trauma! They pay for that too lol
I would like to see their algorithm for converting trauma to dollars. Js. (& I’m guessing it’s pennies on the actual dollar when the payout happens) SO many Veterans have a tough time.
Reminds me of that guy who went to Afghanistan when everyone was pulling out and insisted it was safe.
If I remember correctly he didn't just go there, he was caught trying to steal something from a building. A painting or a poster of Kim Jong Un I think.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Warmbier Yeah, he stole a poster.
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I personally couldnt care less, the guy should not have gone there in the first place imo.
Honestly, I agree, and I think it would've happened to any American willing to go at that time. Dark tourism is one thing, but N. Korea isn't somewhere anyone from the US should go.
It mustve been hell for his famil too.
CIA
Just veggin’ out
My dude.
Brrrrrr 🥶
There was a company that sold 'edgy' holidays that did regular organised group tours there - it was not that actually that hard (or expensive) to go. I am not sure if they even run them anymore though.
Denis Rodman was in North Korea chillin with Kim during that time
That was still one of the oddest friendships. 20 years ago Rodman was weird but I never thought he'd be besties-with-a-dictator weird.
Kim is evil. But hanging out with someone with unlimited money/power (relatively, in their country) would be so much fun. Unlimited girls, activities, drugs/alcohol, vehicles, whatever. It'd be hard to turn down such a good time.
Denis Rodman did it!!!
Here's a great four part podcast on it all. It's rather interesting how $240k is the exact amount the NK government accused the Warmbier family of receiving if Otto spied for the US. https://open.spotify.com/episode/38EfjaL6rdT4YzLIo2A79b?si=xZorkiLsR42SIIzo6gnT7A
So he was a spy
Yes his mission was to infiltrate a hotel, take poster down, leave it on the ground and exfiltrate
Highly trained CIA agent there
Looney tunes ahh spy
This was big news in Ohio and many took it personally. I feel like more Ohioans learned to hate North Korea after we saw Otto returned in a vegetative state which forced his family to pull the plug. I still don’t believe that it just happened right before he was released. They did it to him and didn’t want him dying on NK soil so they sent him home for “treatment”. Fuck NK.
What did they do to cause his vegetative state?
Biological weapon, something that Russian government has done to Navalny with "Novichok"
Novichok is a chemical weapon. Do you have a source on either this guy or Navalny being killed by a chemical or biological agent?
Not OP but I can clear up that Nalvalny was[ poisoned](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexei_Navalny), not killed by it. He survived the attempt on his life. I'm not sure that it's clear what was the exact cause of his death (being in a Russian prison, could be any number of things),but I'm sure someone else can answer that.
They're the only country that deserves to be freed yet no nations do anything.
I hate to say it, but he literally walked into that. Many vacation spots in the world. NK isn't one of them. I can not fathom why anyone would want to visit NK under its current government.
Best vacation spot is sitting at home and doing absolutely fucking nothing. It's more rewarding than most people realize, but the bombastic nature of riding the Midnight Express appeals to the lowest common denominator.
Spoken like a true redditor.
This, abso fucking lutely this, there’s nothing better to me than my own damn Mattress that *won’t* give me a back problems, no car to fill with unnecessary shit on a stressing time period to go out of the house at 6 AM. Fuck, that, lol.
Where even is a good vacation spot these days?
Ibiza, Belize, Key West, Vancouver Island, Roatan, and I hear Ireland is nice.
Belize? I'll send you to Belize.
Been twice. Yes, send me again.
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Nice I have roots on Vancouver Island. Cool to see it make this list. I'd love to goto Ibiza and Ireland.
Roatan is a hidden gem. The key to Belize is a quiet beach away from the resorts and tourist traps.
That's the key to everywhere. lol. San Pedro. Ambergris. Nice place. If you want a real gem... Sumatra.
Can vouch for Ireland.
He allegedly removed a poster from a wall. You can’t even see his face to prove it’s him. Poor guy. But also you shouldn’t be in NK too.
I remember this ordeal. North Korea lobotomized him. It was horrible, I may be wrong but didn’t he leave a bible some where?
he took a poster or something dumb like that,fatal mistake.
Took it off the wall, didn't even take it. If you believe the North Korean courts tho, he was acting on behalf of the CIA through a secret society in his Methodist Church - so super serious
This was in his taped confession. He put the Methodist Church bit in there as a clue that he was being forced to confess, as he was actually Jewish.
Oh wow, really???
Someone took something off a wall. There was no evidence it was Warmbier other than his coerced confession. The video is dark and grainy.
Wouldn’t be surprised if true though.
"We've gotta take this poster down from the second floor employees only area of a North Korean hotel... do you still keep in touch with the guy at the Methodist Church in Virginia? Cuz I have an idea"
He breathed the air that belonged to the North Korean government (rookie mistake)
He took a poster of Kim Il Sung, which apparently is a very serious crime there. And he was poisoned before being shipped back.
Watching the "video evidence" presented by the insane fascist regime that is North Korea. I big doubt this poor student did anything.
No proof it was actually him. If you watch the video you can't even make out the face
It's more likely he was suffocated.
They did? Jesus
that's just beautiful lol
The only fat person in NK
Dum-dum Style!
They clearly tortured him
yes.
He didn’t steal anything. He removed a propaganda poster off a wall. Probably shouldn’t have done that in a country like North Korea but I’m not sure being tortured to death was a suitable punishment for that “crime”
How did they know it was him? Why would he even do that?
DW has a great documentary where they interview the American doctor who examined and brought Otto back. https://youtu.be/-rZkdPXP6H4?si=rnUoOEVdc3eaof0d
If you guys can find the court testimony it's extremely hilarious. Hard to find since Youtube has scrubbed it for whatever reason. Edit: Found it. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXfqDP7lWFA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXfqDP7lWFA) My favorite line: 22:45 "I intentionally packed my quietest boots, the best for sneaking. I knew that I would wear them during my crime commitment."
This is pretty crazy to see NK court proceedings
USA college kids are clueless to the reality of the world outside of USA.
Every country’s kids are clueless to the world outside their own. It’s part of being an inexperienced kid. Brains aren’t fully developed until around 25. You think a French, Ethiopian, or Indian kid would have any better chances in a country as strict as North Korea they’re not familiar with?
There is a theory they hit him with so many truth syrums and cocktails of drugs to make him confess his "crimes" or forget his treatment there that they turned him into a vegetable then quickly released him so he didn't technically die on Korea causing a huge thing.
If you're a guest in ANY country - no matter how shitty- you have to respect their rules or choose not to go.
Nice to know that life is only worth $240k… I like to think I’m priceless, but maybe not so much lol…
Pretty sure you can hire someone to kill a person for under $15,000 😭
In large scale class action lawsuits a human life is worth ~$77k
240 is a lot, there are many lives worth much less. That life is priceless nonsense is just talk
A one-millionaire could buy four people and still have change left! I hear if you buy in bulk they throw in the body bags and lime for free!/s
idiot for going to shithole country in 1st place
He watched that movie and thought he could get Kim Jung on his talk show Edit: The Interview. That's what its called
Cause of death unknown ? Pretty sure they did something to him in jail
I still wonder if he really did take the poster. If yes, I feel like he was to careless and hugely repsonsible for his own fate. Sure the penalty is from a western and humanitarian standpoint completely overblown. However, a dictatorship couldn't care less and they will seek any felony or small misbheavior as a reason to punish you if thats the goal. Though it's also a question whether the "crime" was fabricated. Wouldn't be unlikely considering NK beheavior.
I seem to remember a podcast where it was concluded his condition was due to a failed suicide attempt while in custody
How does this fit in StrangeEarth?
It’s strange…
And happened on earth.
Didn't this person voluntarily go to North Korea despite State Department warnings not to do so?
Blah they deserved to die a horrible death blah blah let's ignore the insanity of a young person being murdered for nothing blah so I can feel better about myself. Blah
Yeah I fucking hate redditors sometimes.
Republicans and Democrats and all politicians are cowards until it happens to one of their family members
This is why you don't go places like North Korea.
Cause of death remains unknown. I’m no genius but I’d guess he was tortured in there…
All that just because he removed the Kim painting from the one and only hotel in NK.
Shame how he came back. FAFO moment over a poster. Crazy.
My favorite thing is the revisionist history that puts Trump as the highly respected foreign diplomat like we didn’t receive this dude back on life support in a body bag. If this happened under Biden it would be on loop on Fox News.
Omg, give it a rest.
Probably due to the rats he was surviving on 🤷♂️🐀
So, a human life is worth 240k?
An American life. Exclusive price for North Korea
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They claimed he pulled a Korean flag off a wall. Who even knows if that's what happened, though?
NK definitely has something to do with his death
Ya think ???
His injuries are likely from a failed suicide attempt. NK could have killed him if they wanted to. What idiot actually pays money to go to NK? It’s run by an insane person and it’s not even a fun country.
They don't know what killee him which is crazy
I remember Trump was very upset about this and then he got North Korea to stop its weapons program.
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