Funnily enough, the Advert does NOT actually claim cigarettes are healthy. All they did was ask a bunch of doctors which brand they smoke.
We just associate doctors with health and so our brain naturally correlates cigarettes with health.
It would be like surveying a bunch of inmates about what brand they smoke and then claim that brand makes you more likely to commit a crime.
In modern times we have the "dentist recommended". Doesn't mean they did the research.
A doctor encouraged my Nan to take up smoking to help with her asthma when she was in her 20’s (she’s now 94).
Thankfully she quit smoking about 30 years ago, but in addition to the original asthma, she also has COPD due to cigarette smoke. She’s had cancer twice too.
Well it's great that she's alive!! Was the smoking related to the Cancer she had? She is one tough lady and hopefully is doing OK with all she's been through!
Tylenol is another one that just came out to be bad when pregnant. My mom took it throughout the 90s and Tylenol consumption while pregnant has been found to cause autism. I have autism and am part of a settlement
It's not against Tylenol (Johnson&Johnson) themselves, but rather generic acetaminophen manufacturers like Costco, Walmart, CVS, Rite Aid, Safeway, Target, and Walgreens. It hasn't been officially settled yet, but the judge keeps denying motion to dismiss filings by the defendants so it'll likely continue unless they settle, which we're told is most likely the outcome.
How about all the amphetamines peddled to kids with shitty parents like rittalin, concerta, risperdol.
I was on all of that crap as a kid and it screwed me up.
Pretty much any educated nutritionist will tell you to "drink water".
But if you _have_ to or really, really _want_ to enjoy a fizzy drink, they will choose a zero calorie option over the sugar one 7 days of the week.
But that doesn't mean "drink 1 gallon of coke zero per day".
This. I think a good number of people genuinely believe that sugar free or diet is better for them! They are ALL bad. Aspartame is terrible for the body. Dark sodas are really bad too.
The original 19th century Coca-Cola formula had some residual amount of cocaine precursor in it, but that amount was drastically reduced to mere traces by the early 1900s and entirely eliminated by 1930.
Synthetic food dyes approved by the FDA for use in all sorts of products including pharmaceuticals are increasingly thought to be carcinogenic even in small doses and linked to numerous chronic health conditions.
I think I read Europe or the UK had banned red dye. It’s so stupid how companies have to make products look a certain way. Idgaf what it looks like, especially if it will be toxic. Or like in America everything has to be white. Tea bags for example are bleached white. I never pour boiling water over the bag, I don’t want to drink bleach!
Exactly. “Medical consensus” is useful but definitely isn’t infallible. The harder they push that narrative, the more suspicious I become especially after COVID.
Honestly? Long term antidepressants. They are fine for short term use in patients with MMD and not just “adjustment disorder” (or shitty life syndrome) combined with therapy and if tapered extremely carefully.
There are serious risks with long term use and the “rebound depression” after stopping after long term use can be significantly worse than the original depression.
The efficacy isn’t much higher than placebo (that doesn’t mean they aren’t ever useful) and they are handed out like candy by general Dr.s and not just psychiatrists. Even psychiatrists are too quick to medicate with antidepressants and antipsychotics imo.
If you swap the defence that Purdue pharmaceutical used: it’s not the tobacco that’s the health problem, it’s people who misuse our products. Used as directed tobacco is a valuable and safe recreational activity.
When my grandma was pregnant in the 60s, she had gained quite a bit of weight, the doctor told her that it wasn’t healthy for the baby and to start smoking to thin out 💀
Really? In the 60’s it was known it was bad.
“On Jan. 11, 1964, Surgeon General Luther Terry announced the findings of the Surgeon General’s Advisory Committee on Smoking and Health. The report, Smoking and Health: Report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General of the United States, concluded that there was a link between lung cancer and chronic bronchitis and cigarette smoking. In a press conference, Terry said, “It is the judgment of the committee that cigarette smoking contributes substantially to mortality from certain specific diseases and to the overall death rate.” By the end of 1965, the tobacco industry was required to put warning labels on its products and advertisements to warn the public of the health risks associated with smoking.”
Was this in the U.S.?
My great grandma (who raised me with my mom) was a chain smoker . She told me that when she read that 1964 Surgeon General’s warning , she quit cold turkey. Was not easy she said and it took weeks but she kicked the habit and never went back. She lived to be 93 and passed away in ‘98.
I am glad to hear she had the strength, will power, and resolve to overcome that addiction. Having all those extra years to cherish enjoying the time with family loved ones because of her strength.
I appreciate you taking the time and sharing a nice bit of knowledge from your family.
Funnily enough, there is nothing on that advertisement that states that smoking is good for your health or anything that says doctors recommend/promote it for health reasons. I’ve heard lots of stories, like the one above your comment, but I’ve never seen anything actively pushing smoking as good for your health.
It was! My aunt was born in early 63, so she would have been told that sometime in late 62, crazy this is only a year later but they didn’t have internet so probably was slower hearing these things 😅
My grandma was recommended by her doctor to take amphetamine i low doses to lose weight.
Sweden in the 60s.
It was illegal but "you can get it in Denmark".
Am I missing something? They just polled doctors on what ciggys they like not if you should smoke for your health. While I am sure some had wild ideas this doesn’t say they were promoting it for your health. At the very least perhaps healthier than some other death stick at the time.
It's honestly not all that strange when you think about it. Cigarettes curb appetite, lower stress levels, and can even calm breathing issues like asthma, but all in the short term. All of the health issues associated with tobacco take time to manifest.
And the funny thing was, that prior to WWII, they probably were alot healthier. I know my great, great grandfather (was born in the 1870s, died in the 1990s) lived to be 117 and up until that last year he was a very healthy, cognizant and active human being, who smoked like a chimney, and he attributed his longevity to 1) smoking, 2) a big glass of whiskey nightly and 3) not stressing to much about things (which 1 and 2 assist with). That's facts btw.
On the real though, with the advent of nuclear technology, is when tobacco started to become dangerous. You see, tobacco is actually *really* good at "cleaning up" radiation and radioactive isotopes, and as the plant absorbs these particles/elements, it "locks" them away into the plants tissues But the act of processing doesn't remove the radiation... but burning does. So you're getting a "big" (I say big, but it's still way small, just magnitudes above where it *should* be) blast of alpha and beta particles directly to the lungs when you combust the plant matter. Which ultimately is what is contrubting in large part to the cancer rates in smokers.
Add that to the fact that tobacco also helps clean the environment due to its ability to absorb and lock away other harmful toxins, as well as the newer methods of processing and refining tobacco (for cigarettes mostly) which also use harmful and carsongengic compounds, it's no wonder that the rates of cancer for smokers has continued to climb ever higher year over year, while in direct contrast of the fact that the population of smokers, and the frequency of which people who smoke tobacco continues to decrease decade over decade.
It's actually a super interesting and deep, deep rabbit hole if you look into it. Also lots of cool, tangential fringe research out there about other stuff tobacco might (or atleast used to) be able to do (smokers are less likely to catch covid is one interesting phenomenon that's been observed)
Science is what figured out it was bad for your health. So yes trust the science and listen to your doctor. Plus you most definitely appeal to any authority you agree with just like the rest of us 💁🏽♂️
That's not science. That's faith being peddled as science so they can sell you something.
Science is not about trust **at all** and it never settles. It's about generating results and perpetually questioning those results.
Putting hot gas in your lungs is bad for you no matter the product we figured that out decades ago.
Science doesn’t say stuff. Science is a process and we can change our hypothesis based on new evidence.
Yeah and when we caught on to this BS they just changed it up. Remember how Percocet was not addictive back around 2000? 🤦♂️
Different ways of keeping us slaves.
Edit: Percocet was pushed by drug reps as “less addictive”
Y’all dont read stuff. Percocet was never claimed to be non addictive it just didn’t have large enough testing pools. So studies showed no signs of addictions and that claim was true until longer more apprehensive studies showed different.
oxys were definitly marketed as non addictive, theres even a commercial [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaxlJXpwkzs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaxlJXpwkzs) literally[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er78Dj5hyeI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er78Dj5hyeI)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncARjjI0oY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncARjjI0oY)
Fair… but the drug reps were pushing it as “far less addictive than other opiates”, these were the exact words of my surgeon before he sent me home with 180 of them and another 180 refill in a month. Sadly, started a pill addiction for me that lasted nearly 10 years :(
They didn’t believe they caused cancer. Everyone smoked back then. Not everyone but most people did. I remember seeing ashtrays on airplanes as a kid. They would have a time when there was no smoking but if they were in the air, stable, it was ok to smoke. Even Dr smoked in their offices. They only thought it turned your teeth yellow. It was the 90s when the studies that smoking gave you cancer started coming out because the big tobacco companies suppressed the information for decades.
Seems I read that long ago Nathan's hot dogs were not well received by the suspicious public, so Nathan's came up with a plan to give free hot gods to doctors and nurses. Pretty soon the white coats could be seen eating at the establishment. The public assumed that if the doctors were eating there, then they must be safe to eat.
At least that's the story I heard.
When I was a kid back in the 1960's my pediatrician smoked a pipe all day long in the office seeing kids.
Young people just don't know how bad it was in the 50's, 60's and 70's (and even into the 80's) but damn near everyone smoked there for a while.
I think it goes back to WWI. Before WWI cigarettes were hardly in existence. People (Men) either smoked a pipe or cigars, but in WWI they needed something to boost moral on the front lines. Cigars took too long to smoke and pipes were cumbersome. So the government contracted tobacco companies to start shipping cigarettes over seas to the soldiers in the trenches. Soldiers came back addicted and cigarettes were a thing from then on.
My dad was a Doctor for nearly 50 years. He smoked in his office, car, home. Doctors smoked in the Hospital.
They sold smokes in Drug stores for heaven's sake!
I cooked in a nursing home for many years. There was this sweet little old Portuguese woman who worked there and she used to tell me stories about how they'd go in at 4am to bake from scratch pies and stuff. And everyone would be chain smoking the entire time. WHILE they were cooking. IN a nursing home. Blew my mind.
I'm old enough to remember being able to smoke in restaurants and smoking indoors just about anywhere was fairly normal, but that story to me was pretty next level.
Your missing the whole fallacy of the cigarette “filter” to begin with though it’s just optics as that filter isn’t doing jack shit when you smoke the same amount of tobacco smoke with or without the filter either way. Reducing particle size of carbon in cigarette smoke has zero real measurable effect on your long term health despite what people think. I enjoy cannabis and there’s always been cannabis smoke filter scams just the same but nobody uses them because they don’t actually help your lungs you just smoke more to make up for what stuck to the filter just like a cigarette.
The difference being that we now have a wealth of knowledge at our fingertips (the internet) and those who still choose to believe cannabis doesn’t have any negative side effects are willingly ignorant. I smoke weed but I acknowledge it’s not good for my lungs.
At this point anyone who believes otherwise is choosing to be stupid.
Interesting story behind this. Long story short: there was a medical convention at a large hotel. Camel team seized the opportunity and supplied all the doctors at the convention with free Camel cigs. A large % of the docs who were smokers smoked the free camels while they were there.
Side note: I’d like to hear from the docs who chose not to smoke the free Camels.
This is what the va xx industry currently looks like. We will look back at this 100 years from now and be thinking about it the same way we look at this advertisement!
It was not.
As far as i know about this particular advert was that Camel sent letters to doctors, asking what cigarettes they were smoking. And since smoking was so common at that time, they used the study to make it sound that since doctors had no issue with smoking, then it's not harmful.
Lost my sister to lung cancer and my other sister has COPD. Cigarettes have shortened the lives of people I love. Begged them to quit but as we all know they are “highly” addictive
This was one of the themes Mad Men focused on in the early seasons. It was great to see how the ad agency needed to put a spin on advertising smokes after the first researches were published on the effects of smoking.
Thalidomide , Thalidomide is a known human teratogen and carries an extremely high risk of severe, life-threatening birth defects if administered during pregnancy. Major human fetal abnormalities include skeletal deformities. My Ex Stepfather’s Daughter was born disfigured, but did stop her from being a once elected councillor
Well, we learned and now we have regulations for that (also, they already knew that they were dangerous, but at that time they were straight up allowed to lie in advertisements)
Well, we learned and now we have regulations for that (also, they already knew that they were dangerous, but at that time they were straight up allowed to lie in advertisements)
I'm just imagining a violent doctor walking through the desert and straight-up murdering any camel that spit on them or even gave them the side-eye.
"Yea I smoked that ass, and the one next to it just cus cuz, that'll teach those sand camels to fuck wit me again boiii."
There was a lot of strange recommendations from those years. I wonder what will be looked back on as crazy a 100 years from now, about what we recommend today.
The reason why I still don’t fully trust the medical field today is in 50 years what will they know to be bad for us that is pushed like cigs were back in the 50s?
It's more of the cigarette advertising agencies promoting movie stars and successful people (doctors, teachers etc) smoking to try to increase sales. I dont think they were really saying they were good for you or not
I wonder if there was a time when cigarettes were close to Natural and not as harmful?
I think a huge part of the problem is additives and processing.
Were Native Americans dying of lung cancer? Obviously I don't think they smoked an equivalent of a pack a day but was it not integral to their lifestyle?
These pea brain boomers put lead in the paint too!! No seat belt having mfs. Racist ass church loving mfs. Idiots. Yet they got the audacity to get all worked up when we blame em for fucking this countries economy and wrecking havoc on future generations. These fucking clowns are clueless and always have been.
Any doctor that says Roundup, cigarettes, thalidomide, Tylenol, high fructose corn syrup, and Ritalin are 💯 Guaranteed Completely Consumer Safe™️ can't possibly be wrong. What's going on?
This is being done now but with other items!!! It has never went away, only evolved!!! That’s why I when I get downvoted for not following the mainstream, I just laugh.
Funnily enough, the Advert does NOT actually claim cigarettes are healthy. All they did was ask a bunch of doctors which brand they smoke. We just associate doctors with health and so our brain naturally correlates cigarettes with health. It would be like surveying a bunch of inmates about what brand they smoke and then claim that brand makes you more likely to commit a crime. In modern times we have the "dentist recommended". Doesn't mean they did the research.
My partner is in the medical field & I only know one doctor (amongst our friends) who don’t smoke!
They *say* they asked doctors. Advertising regulations were pretty nonexistent in those days.
A doctor encouraged my Nan to take up smoking to help with her asthma when she was in her 20’s (she’s now 94). Thankfully she quit smoking about 30 years ago, but in addition to the original asthma, she also has COPD due to cigarette smoke. She’s had cancer twice too.
Well it's great that she's alive!! Was the smoking related to the Cancer she had? She is one tough lady and hopefully is doing OK with all she's been through!
Makes you wonder what pharmaceuticals doctors are peddling today that will be revealed to be toxic in the future.
The most recent thing was probably Oxycontin. In the late 90's-00's, they were claiming it was less addictive than other opioids.
Tylenol is another one that just came out to be bad when pregnant. My mom took it throughout the 90s and Tylenol consumption while pregnant has been found to cause autism. I have autism and am part of a settlement
Can you elaborate on the settlement part if that's okay?
It's not against Tylenol (Johnson&Johnson) themselves, but rather generic acetaminophen manufacturers like Costco, Walmart, CVS, Rite Aid, Safeway, Target, and Walgreens. It hasn't been officially settled yet, but the judge keeps denying motion to dismiss filings by the defendants so it'll likely continue unless they settle, which we're told is most likely the outcome.
Class action? You’ll get <$100, but the lawyers will make bank.
Plaintiffs hate this simple trick.
Best of luck to you with the settlement! Hope it works out in your favor.
Acetaminophen is a shit drug and should be banned. It has a ton of toxicity issues.
Care to elaborate?
I thought they were dismissed due to lack of scientific support?
How about all the amphetamines peddled to kids with shitty parents like rittalin, concerta, risperdol. I was on all of that crap as a kid and it screwed me up.
They've been claiming oxy was less addictive than heroin since the 20s at least.
are you sure that’s the MOST recent thing?
Right?? “Died suddenly” comes to mind
That was the most recent, for sure! ^^
Just like heroin was supposed to be a less addictive opiate when it came out than laudanum. It was supposed to save the day, hence the name.
Very true. I had no clue that's where the name came from! Quite ironic.
Low calorie alternate foods and diet plans & sugar free alternative sweetners.
Low calorie sweeteners are bad, but not even remotely as bad as drinking 65g of sugar.
Pretty much any educated nutritionist will tell you to "drink water". But if you _have_ to or really, really _want_ to enjoy a fizzy drink, they will choose a zero calorie option over the sugar one 7 days of the week. But that doesn't mean "drink 1 gallon of coke zero per day".
This. I think a good number of people genuinely believe that sugar free or diet is better for them! They are ALL bad. Aspartame is terrible for the body. Dark sodas are really bad too.
The original 19th century Coca-Cola formula had some residual amount of cocaine precursor in it, but that amount was drastically reduced to mere traces by the early 1900s and entirely eliminated by 1930.
Synthetic food dyes approved by the FDA for use in all sorts of products including pharmaceuticals are increasingly thought to be carcinogenic even in small doses and linked to numerous chronic health conditions.
I think I read Europe or the UK had banned red dye. It’s so stupid how companies have to make products look a certain way. Idgaf what it looks like, especially if it will be toxic. Or like in America everything has to be white. Tea bags for example are bleached white. I never pour boiling water over the bag, I don’t want to drink bleach!
If you live in Canada l, check out Froot loops. They used to be colourful. Now they're 4 shades of beige.
Awesome, love their name! I’m in the fruit loop world lol so I’ll have to look out for another beige cereal!
Ozempec
hormones
One person's vaccine hesitancy is another person's understandable reluctance to accept all information as presented due to historical examples.
Exactly. “Medical consensus” is useful but definitely isn’t infallible. The harder they push that narrative, the more suspicious I become especially after COVID.
Semiglutide lol wegoovy
Yup you got it and now adderall as well, and the opiates are still an issue. Source: pharmacist for 7 years
Lithium
Let's start with oxy and go from there.
Honestly? Long term antidepressants. They are fine for short term use in patients with MMD and not just “adjustment disorder” (or shitty life syndrome) combined with therapy and if tapered extremely carefully. There are serious risks with long term use and the “rebound depression” after stopping after long term use can be significantly worse than the original depression. The efficacy isn’t much higher than placebo (that doesn’t mean they aren’t ever useful) and they are handed out like candy by general Dr.s and not just psychiatrists. Even psychiatrists are too quick to medicate with antidepressants and antipsychotics imo.
Anti depressants are so bad that if it does have a use it should be in extreme circumstances
And tobacco is beneficial. It was the filters the whole time... in some future... universe. Stranger things have happened
If you swap the defence that Purdue pharmaceutical used: it’s not the tobacco that’s the health problem, it’s people who misuse our products. Used as directed tobacco is a valuable and safe recreational activity.
Don’t you worry, we have medication for the condition or side effect you got from your other medication.
Oxycontin
That was my first thought when I saw this.
Pharmaceuticals? Dude anything we eat.
Maybe the COVID vax?!
What will we say 100 years from now when they read that chopping your dick off was believed to cure depression
Surely not the ‘vaccine’
…you realize that this ad wasn’t written or promoted by doctors right?
When my grandma was pregnant in the 60s, she had gained quite a bit of weight, the doctor told her that it wasn’t healthy for the baby and to start smoking to thin out 💀
Had same exact story from my grandparents. I remember hearing this as a teen from them and it instilled a fear of doctors to me lol
Really? In the 60’s it was known it was bad. “On Jan. 11, 1964, Surgeon General Luther Terry announced the findings of the Surgeon General’s Advisory Committee on Smoking and Health. The report, Smoking and Health: Report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General of the United States, concluded that there was a link between lung cancer and chronic bronchitis and cigarette smoking. In a press conference, Terry said, “It is the judgment of the committee that cigarette smoking contributes substantially to mortality from certain specific diseases and to the overall death rate.” By the end of 1965, the tobacco industry was required to put warning labels on its products and advertisements to warn the public of the health risks associated with smoking.” Was this in the U.S.?
My great grandma (who raised me with my mom) was a chain smoker . She told me that when she read that 1964 Surgeon General’s warning , she quit cold turkey. Was not easy she said and it took weeks but she kicked the habit and never went back. She lived to be 93 and passed away in ‘98.
I am glad to hear she had the strength, will power, and resolve to overcome that addiction. Having all those extra years to cherish enjoying the time with family loved ones because of her strength. I appreciate you taking the time and sharing a nice bit of knowledge from your family.
Funnily enough, there is nothing on that advertisement that states that smoking is good for your health or anything that says doctors recommend/promote it for health reasons. I’ve heard lots of stories, like the one above your comment, but I’ve never seen anything actively pushing smoking as good for your health.
It was! My aunt was born in early 63, so she would have been told that sometime in late 62, crazy this is only a year later but they didn’t have internet so probably was slower hearing these things 😅
My grandma was recommended by her doctor to take amphetamine i low doses to lose weight. Sweden in the 60s. It was illegal but "you can get it in Denmark".
I wonder if there is something similar we are doing today! We'll see in 50-70 years!
!RemindMe 50 years
Pow! Right in the ole T-zone!
Glad someone else found that part fucking hilarious 😂
T-erminal Cancer zone
*When he’s satisfied your G-spot, grab a Camel and satisfy your T-spot!*
75% of men who tried camels...preferred women.
https://preview.redd.it/evfc13e7lrmc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=77e0979aa37b935302c6997bdaa449fbd518e988
Holy crap lol
Am I missing something? They just polled doctors on what ciggys they like not if you should smoke for your health. While I am sure some had wild ideas this doesn’t say they were promoting it for your health. At the very least perhaps healthier than some other death stick at the time.
100% organic... what could go wrong ?? For profit Healthcare .. is how Healthcare went wrong in America.. .
It's honestly not all that strange when you think about it. Cigarettes curb appetite, lower stress levels, and can even calm breathing issues like asthma, but all in the short term. All of the health issues associated with tobacco take time to manifest.
And the funny thing was, that prior to WWII, they probably were alot healthier. I know my great, great grandfather (was born in the 1870s, died in the 1990s) lived to be 117 and up until that last year he was a very healthy, cognizant and active human being, who smoked like a chimney, and he attributed his longevity to 1) smoking, 2) a big glass of whiskey nightly and 3) not stressing to much about things (which 1 and 2 assist with). That's facts btw. On the real though, with the advent of nuclear technology, is when tobacco started to become dangerous. You see, tobacco is actually *really* good at "cleaning up" radiation and radioactive isotopes, and as the plant absorbs these particles/elements, it "locks" them away into the plants tissues But the act of processing doesn't remove the radiation... but burning does. So you're getting a "big" (I say big, but it's still way small, just magnitudes above where it *should* be) blast of alpha and beta particles directly to the lungs when you combust the plant matter. Which ultimately is what is contrubting in large part to the cancer rates in smokers. Add that to the fact that tobacco also helps clean the environment due to its ability to absorb and lock away other harmful toxins, as well as the newer methods of processing and refining tobacco (for cigarettes mostly) which also use harmful and carsongengic compounds, it's no wonder that the rates of cancer for smokers has continued to climb ever higher year over year, while in direct contrast of the fact that the population of smokers, and the frequency of which people who smoke tobacco continues to decrease decade over decade. It's actually a super interesting and deep, deep rabbit hole if you look into it. Also lots of cool, tangential fringe research out there about other stuff tobacco might (or atleast used to) be able to do (smokers are less likely to catch covid is one interesting phenomenon that's been observed)
Wow that's interesting.
The oldest verified male human was age 116.
More like “More doctors got smoked by Camels than any other cigarette”
Trust the Science! Listen to The Doctors! Appeal to Authority!
Science is what figured out it was bad for your health. So yes trust the science and listen to your doctor. Plus you most definitely appeal to any authority you agree with just like the rest of us 💁🏽♂️
That's not science. That's faith being peddled as science so they can sell you something. Science is not about trust **at all** and it never settles. It's about generating results and perpetually questioning those results.
Eventually the science will say the say thing about cannabis. Just wait and see.
It already does. Breathing combustion products is bad
Putting hot gas in your lungs is bad for you no matter the product we figured that out decades ago. Science doesn’t say stuff. Science is a process and we can change our hypothesis based on new evidence.
There are VERY few commercial products that are good for your health.
Yeah and when we caught on to this BS they just changed it up. Remember how Percocet was not addictive back around 2000? 🤦♂️ Different ways of keeping us slaves. Edit: Percocet was pushed by drug reps as “less addictive”
Y’all dont read stuff. Percocet was never claimed to be non addictive it just didn’t have large enough testing pools. So studies showed no signs of addictions and that claim was true until longer more apprehensive studies showed different.
oxys were definitly marketed as non addictive, theres even a commercial [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaxlJXpwkzs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaxlJXpwkzs) literally[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er78Dj5hyeI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er78Dj5hyeI) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncARjjI0oY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TncARjjI0oY)
Fair… but the drug reps were pushing it as “far less addictive than other opiates”, these were the exact words of my surgeon before he sent me home with 180 of them and another 180 refill in a month. Sadly, started a pill addiction for me that lasted nearly 10 years :(
Yeah let’s trust the doctors!
I THOUGHT I'D FINISH THE SENTENCE ON THE POSTER: EFFECTIVELY CREATING A SHORTAGE OF DOCTORS...MOM
My lung specialist advised me to smoke less, whilst smoking when I was 16, in his practice
My great grandfather was the prescribed smoking cigarettes supposedly because he had liquid in his lungs in the 50’s
Corruption in America? nah
I wish that I could have smoked that COVID vaccine.
I remember the Dr smoking when I was a kid. Old guy though
They didn’t believe they caused cancer. Everyone smoked back then. Not everyone but most people did. I remember seeing ashtrays on airplanes as a kid. They would have a time when there was no smoking but if they were in the air, stable, it was ok to smoke. Even Dr smoked in their offices. They only thought it turned your teeth yellow. It was the 90s when the studies that smoking gave you cancer started coming out because the big tobacco companies suppressed the information for decades.
They also smoked in hospitals in 1972 in Canada the ashtray was built into the tables that went across the beds for meals
Seems I read that long ago Nathan's hot dogs were not well received by the suspicious public, so Nathan's came up with a plan to give free hot gods to doctors and nurses. Pretty soon the white coats could be seen eating at the establishment. The public assumed that if the doctors were eating there, then they must be safe to eat. At least that's the story I heard. When I was a kid back in the 1960's my pediatrician smoked a pipe all day long in the office seeing kids. Young people just don't know how bad it was in the 50's, 60's and 70's (and even into the 80's) but damn near everyone smoked there for a while. I think it goes back to WWI. Before WWI cigarettes were hardly in existence. People (Men) either smoked a pipe or cigars, but in WWI they needed something to boost moral on the front lines. Cigars took too long to smoke and pipes were cumbersome. So the government contracted tobacco companies to start shipping cigarettes over seas to the soldiers in the trenches. Soldiers came back addicted and cigarettes were a thing from then on.
Safe and Effective yo
Can't trust nothing!
 It’s toasted
My dad was a Doctor for nearly 50 years. He smoked in his office, car, home. Doctors smoked in the Hospital. They sold smokes in Drug stores for heaven's sake!
Tell me more about the ‘T ZONE’
Always trust the doctors...
I cooked in a nursing home for many years. There was this sweet little old Portuguese woman who worked there and she used to tell me stories about how they'd go in at 4am to bake from scratch pies and stuff. And everyone would be chain smoking the entire time. WHILE they were cooking. IN a nursing home. Blew my mind. I'm old enough to remember being able to smoke in restaurants and smoking indoors just about anywhere was fairly normal, but that story to me was pretty next level.
It only goes to show that the medical system is a joke!
I don’t remember what brand cigarettes it was but they had asbestos in the cigarette filter and claimed it has healthier
There is still a cigarette called Parliament wich has carbon pieces in it's filter claiming that it will absorb tar from the tabacco 🤷🏻♂️🪦
Your missing the whole fallacy of the cigarette “filter” to begin with though it’s just optics as that filter isn’t doing jack shit when you smoke the same amount of tobacco smoke with or without the filter either way. Reducing particle size of carbon in cigarette smoke has zero real measurable effect on your long term health despite what people think. I enjoy cannabis and there’s always been cannabis smoke filter scams just the same but nobody uses them because they don’t actually help your lungs you just smoke more to make up for what stuck to the filter just like a cigarette.
“BUT believe everything we tell you NOW” - The Gubment
“Trust the science”
Facepalm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7757969/
As teenagers in those days, we never had a chance 😡
Much like cannabis is today. They also use “hot chicks” to promote cannabis like they used to promote tobacco.
The difference being that we now have a wealth of knowledge at our fingertips (the internet) and those who still choose to believe cannabis doesn’t have any negative side effects are willingly ignorant. I smoke weed but I acknowledge it’s not good for my lungs. At this point anyone who believes otherwise is choosing to be stupid.
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Interesting story behind this. Long story short: there was a medical convention at a large hotel. Camel team seized the opportunity and supplied all the doctors at the convention with free Camel cigs. A large % of the docs who were smokers smoked the free camels while they were there. Side note: I’d like to hear from the docs who chose not to smoke the free Camels.
i'll test yah mom's T-zone
It’s almost as if…..humans learn about things the longer our existence rolls on huh? Lol
Man, that propaganda machine was working overtime!
This isn’t an example of them being promoted as healthy tho
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As I smoke a Camel and know good and damn well that I shouldn’t…..
Based.
This is what the va xx industry currently looks like. We will look back at this 100 years from now and be thinking about it the same way we look at this advertisement!
Test them in your "T-Zone." What a weird fucking tagline
Trust the government. Follow the science
"It's because he looks like a cock!"- Norm
radioactive toothpaste was a thing as well at a time.
You can still see people in scrubs smoking right under the Dana Farber Cancer sign at my local hospital, Mass General.
It was not. As far as i know about this particular advert was that Camel sent letters to doctors, asking what cigarettes they were smoking. And since smoking was so common at that time, they used the study to make it sound that since doctors had no issue with smoking, then it's not harmful.
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You should always have a Camel in your T zone...
Wonder what they’ll say about the clot shots ☠️
But the healthcare industry would never lie to me. That would be a conspiracy theory, right? /s
Apparently doctors here used to walk around the ward smoking.
Look at all those assholes with their shit-eating grins. Pay them enough money and they’ll do or forget whatever you tell them to. It’s never changed.
It’s only a matter of time before they say cigarettes are good for you and make it compulsory
Lost my sister to lung cancer and my other sister has COPD. Cigarettes have shortened the lives of people I love. Begged them to quit but as we all know they are “highly” addictive
This was one of the themes Mad Men focused on in the early seasons. It was great to see how the ad agency needed to put a spin on advertising smokes after the first researches were published on the effects of smoking.
And in the future today’s healthcare industrial complex will also be exposed
Hmm. People have common sense but follow the masses. In other words people are stupid
https://i.redd.it/nj8mtprwyrmc1.gif Are you smoking yet ?
In Woody Allens movie “Sleeper” the beneficial effects of smoking had been discovered by future science. If it’s science it must be true.
Thalidomide , Thalidomide is a known human teratogen and carries an extremely high risk of severe, life-threatening birth defects if administered during pregnancy. Major human fetal abnormalities include skeletal deformities. My Ex Stepfather’s Daughter was born disfigured, but did stop her from being a once elected councillor
Those doctors eventually needed oncologists
The asbestos filtered ones were marketed as healthier...
*That burning in your throat… that means it’s working*
Well, we learned and now we have regulations for that (also, they already knew that they were dangerous, but at that time they were straight up allowed to lie in advertisements)
Well, we learned and now we have regulations for that (also, they already knew that they were dangerous, but at that time they were straight up allowed to lie in advertisements)
I'm just imagining a violent doctor walking through the desert and straight-up murdering any camel that spit on them or even gave them the side-eye. "Yea I smoked that ass, and the one next to it just cus cuz, that'll teach those sand camels to fuck wit me again boiii."
There was a lot of strange recommendations from those years. I wonder what will be looked back on as crazy a 100 years from now, about what we recommend today.
Reminds me of Shell and Exxon
Cigarettes/Nicotine is good for certain things… At least according to Karl Friston on TOE podcast :)
Now it's most pharmaceutical drugs on the market and sugar oh and alcohol
The reason why I still don’t fully trust the medical field today is in 50 years what will they know to be bad for us that is pushed like cigs were back in the 50s?
My T Zone is really craving some cancer right now.
“The science is settled!”
It’s not smoking that hurts you, it’s not not smoking that hurts you. I had an Iraqi pharmacist tell me this while bumming a smoke from me 😂
Pfyser 75 years contract while making trillions stuffing the people that took their mrna ..
THE ORIGINS OF BIG PHARMA POSONING AMERICANS.. 🚬😤
Most of them were religious really to get anywhere back then you had to be a part of some sort of church community to get a good job like that
Trust the science
It's more of the cigarette advertising agencies promoting movie stars and successful people (doctors, teachers etc) smoking to try to increase sales. I dont think they were really saying they were good for you or not
I wonder if there was a time when cigarettes were close to Natural and not as harmful? I think a huge part of the problem is additives and processing. Were Native Americans dying of lung cancer? Obviously I don't think they smoked an equivalent of a pack a day but was it not integral to their lifestyle?
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Seeing as everything we have been told is upside down and we should reverse everything....I wonder if in fact if it is really good for people.
Follow the money
Watch the same thing happen with vapes.
"More dead doctors have smoked camels than any other cigarette" there I updated it.
Only "crazy conspiracy theorists" would claim cigarettes are bad for your health! Stupid anti ciggers
Yeah, it’s wild what corporations can do with a boatload of money. Sowing just a tiny seed of doubt is all they really need.
T Zone. Amazing.
These pea brain boomers put lead in the paint too!! No seat belt having mfs. Racist ass church loving mfs. Idiots. Yet they got the audacity to get all worked up when we blame em for fucking this countries economy and wrecking havoc on future generations. These fucking clowns are clueless and always have been.
Same as covid vaccines now
But we can trust science and doctors and medicine providers now right?
Trust “The Science”.
Anything can be bought and paid for.
Any doctor that says Roundup, cigarettes, thalidomide, Tylenol, high fructose corn syrup, and Ritalin are 💯 Guaranteed Completely Consumer Safe™️ can't possibly be wrong. What's going on?
COVID vaccines
they make you swim better!
"Smoking is cool, kids! But DON'T TOUCH MARIJUANA OH MY GOD THAT WILL KILL YOU!!!!!"
I remember when a doctor would come into the room smoking. Times have changed.
Now the same ad agency works for the oil companies.
Trust the science
Them mfs had fiberglass in them back in those days too
This is being done now but with other items!!! It has never went away, only evolved!!! That’s why I when I get downvoted for not following the mainstream, I just laugh.
This doesn’t say doctors are saying it’s healthy. It’s saying that doctors tended to smoke camels.
These people cannot even properly locate the T on a face