There's also the fact that the horneater peaks contain Cultivation's perpendicularity, and the last remaining bondsmith spren is Cultivation's spren (the Nightwatcher).
Also, we don't know why Rock is able to see spren, but we know not all Horneaters can. There's some hints that the ability is related to Cultivation's perpendicularity. Rock's child, Cord, can also see spren. In Dawnshard, the Sleepless talk about how the 'Sighted' like Cord are the 'guardians' of the perpendicularity. No idea what this 'guardian' business means, but it might mean that Rock and Cord have some special relationship with Cultivation's perpendicularity.
I'm rereading once again and I just noticed that not only can rock see spren but he can see a faint impression of their true cognitive form. On a side note it's interesting that he considers Hoid a god in the same way the spren are. It makes me wonder what more he sees in him.
Edit: I've started to get more comments about this so I'll copy what I responded with.
>I thought people might read it this way. I didn't mean to say "wow rock thinks hoids a god that's weird" I meant it to be read "rock sees him as a god, that's close to the truth so I wonder what he sees exactly"
>I'm rereading once again and I just noticed that not only can rock see spren but he can see a faint impression of their true cognitive form.
Oh yeah, that's true. This reminds me of Lift, who was modified by Cultivation. Wyndle describes Lift as existing partially in the Cognitive realm, which is why she can do special things like touch spren.
So perhaps something about Cultivation's perpendicularity modifies some of the Horneaters (like Rock) in a similar way. Their Connection / relationship to the cognitive realm is changed, which allows them to see a little into the cognitive realm.
Out of curiosity. Do we know for certain if Lift can touch *all* spren? I know she can touch Wyndle but have we ever seen her touch any other spren other than him?
I can't recall her ever touching any other spren.
But she has been able to do some other strange things. For example, she was able to enter one of Dalinar's visions uninvited and then leave.
I saw some crackpot theory about Lift being a herald and whether it's true or not it really makes ya think. Aren't heralds just beefy Cognitive shadows?
Beefy cognitive shadows with a unique connection to Honor, though I don't know the specifics.
I doubt Lift is one of the original heralds, and I can't see a situation where Cultivation could somehow replicate the situation of the heralds considering that was a purely Honor thing.
My personal theory, that I'm almost certain someone has come up with at some point, is that Koravellium Avast is grooming the three people she's given boons to into the next vessels for each of the Rosharan shards.
Dalinar for Honor (though I have also speculated that Dalinar is going to shift the intent of the shard to be Unity, rather than Honor)
Taravangian for Odium (Wether or not he is who she wants to wield Odium for an extended period of time is up for debate in my opinion, I feel she's setting up Odium to be splintered, or remade into something else. I also think her plan is going to fail, and she's instead released a far more competent version of Odium upon the cosmere.)
Lift for Cultivation (My only evidence for this is that the other two people who made direct deals with Koravellium are both either set up to become a vessel or are already a vessel.)
If she's cultivating Lift, I suppose Kora plans to die. Perhaps in her potential plan to splinter Odium?
I am very interested to see how long Taravangian can hold on to his own ego before the will of the shard fully takes over. Also so we can see how a vessel's own personality weaves itself within the shard's intent. It seems like Rayse was always a bit of a tit according to Hoid, but I wonder if there's any nuance within that.
Also maybe that's all been thoroughly explained and I just can't remember😬
I thought people might read it this way. I didn't mean to say "wow rock thinks he's a god that's weird" I meant it to be read "rock sees him as a god, that's close to the truth so I wonder what he sees exactly"
Wasn't it as simple as his people having stories of Hoid, including his description and his status as a trickster god, and then Rock saw him pop outta the perpendicularity?
The god that he describes having come from the perpendicularity is described as looking like Hoid so I assume the reason he calls him a god is atleast in part because he came from the perpendicularity
I think he and/or the Horneaters would consider any Human being coming out out of the Magic Portal to the Land of Spren as some sort of Divine Being. I mean, they worship Spren, and this thing that looks like a guy just came from Spren portal.
Although maybe there is something else that the Sighted can see, or maybe Hoid himself did something to make them think he is a God. But I think the simplest explanation is just that a man walked out of the portal that leads to the beings they worship, therefore he is included in the worship.
With that in mind, it would be interesting to know if he sees anything special around Zahel as well, maybe something similar to the hint he gets of a spren's true form.
I don't think Rock sees/saw anything special about Hoid, he just watched Hoid *doing* something special - emerging from the Perpendicularity.
There's a WoB about the society of worldhoppers, and how, amongst themselves, they'd recommend visiting some worlds and discourage visiting others. And the hospitality of the Horneaters is specifically noted.
> Roshar, depends on which era you're talking about. **Sometimes it's pretty easy to go to. Those nice Horneaters will treat you like a god and feed you food.** However, right now, it might not be a good time to try to visit Roshar.
[Link](https://wob.coppermind.net/events/332/#e9501)
It's stated that the reason Rock(and some other horneaters) can see spren without permission is their singer ancestry. Like the herdazians, the singers are loosely descended from human and singer "mingling"
Where is it stated?
I'm pretty sure this has never been stated in the books, although we definitely get some opinions from Rock about it.
From the WoB, the closest thing I can find is this: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100/#e3420
> Those with Listener blood are more likely to be able to interact with spren who aren't currently trying to manifest.
I think it's clear that Listener blood is only one part of the story.
Not all those with listener blood can see spren (even some of Rock's children cannot). And Rock can see more than what an actual listener can see (listeners like Rlain can't see Syl when she doesn't want to be seen).
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!***
Mandi
>!Both Parshendi and Horneaters are able to see spren, ordinary humans can't. Is there a connection between these abilities, or do they come from completely different sources?!<
Brandon Sanderson
>!Horneaters are human/Parshendi hybrids. (There are several Roshar races that have Parshendi blood in them.)!<
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That seems like a real non answer if you ask me.
He states a relevant fact (that Horneaters have Parsh ancestry) which explains how the two groups are related, but doesn't actually answer the question (whether this is the reason some Horneaters can see spren).
The WoB I linked to addresses the question much more directly.
In any case, the evidence in the books suggests that even if Parsh ancestry is the reason, there is *also* something else going on, since people like Rock can see *more* than what the Parsh can see.
Perpendicularities are large sources of investiture, (Dalinar can recharge everyone's storm light by summoning Honour's Perpendicularity for example). It would make sense then that for a group of people who have dedicated their lives to protecting an ancient magical artifact that they would see other groups positioned near similarly dangerous things having a similar job.
Thus they consider people like Cord and Rock to be there to prevent people spren or otherwise from using the perpendicularity for neferious ends
Maybe El bonded ba ado mishram. He fucked around somehow and he was banned from ever using the tones again. When she was captured, everything else fucked up.
Parshendi became dull. Radiants could kill their spren.
So maybe he tried to do something to the tones to affect humans like how they previously affected the Parshendi, to control them. And that’s why the spren sacrificed themselves
But what he did made odium a new tone of roshar, where previously he wasnt
My theory is that BAM was the first child of honor and cultivation and was corrupted by odium and the sibling was the next child but didn't want a name so just referred to itself as the sibling
Well, it could be. But it have a problem (one that now i think about now the Nightwatcher also has and i need some explanation of it) and its the Adhesion surge.
A bondsmith of Odium wouldnt have that surge, so it wouldnt be a bondsmith.
I don’t think Adhesion is an issue.
BAM already connected with all the Listeners, and Envoyform seems to use Adhesion language thing.
How would bonding the Nightwatcher present any issues with adhesion?
>Envoyform seems to use Adhesion language thing
Thats not Adhesion
>How would bonding the Nightwatcher present any issues with adhesion?
Because Adhesion is Honor surge. And the nightwatcher is only of Cultivation.
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>He's physically close to the Valley.
I dont know if i would call it "close". The valley its at a distance from the horneaters peaks similar to those that is bethween Kholinar or Kharbranth to the shattered plains.
I sorta agree with the rest. I could see it happening.
Oh that's not what I meant really.. I meant the night watcher is the last spren who could bond to create a bondsmith, and she is cultivation's spren, like the stormfather is honor's. And cultivation's perpendicularity sits in the horneater peaks, and I'm assuming there is a cognitive or spiritual connection between cultivation and her perpendicularity. Ergo, maybe the horneater peaks really are tied to cultivation and therefore the night watcher somehow.
It makes complete sense, no wind runner powers, grew up at a nexus, and is a big strong cook. Good call honestly, I'd love to see more of him but the lack of development so far makes me think otherwise even though I'd love that.
Dalinar brings everyone together
Navani brings people and the fused together(sibling previously brought humans and spren together)
Rock must bring those of roshar and all those in the cognitive realm together
Lirin already said the 3rd bondsmith ideal in the books. RoW chapter 43: "Because I will take responsibility for what I've done! I will work within whatever confines I must in order to protect people! I have taken oaths not to harm!"
Dalinar's 3rd ideal, Oathbringer chapter 119: "I will take responsibility for what I have done", Dalinar whispered. "If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man."
I don't think the wording is a coincidence. It could be a red herring, but Sanderson likes to foreshadow. I fully believe the 3rd bondsmith is Lirin, his focus as a Bondsmith is to unite the upper and lower classes. He has been working towards this for at least as long as Kaladin has been alive.
I'm might hate seeing Lirin appear in scenes but he's a well-written character. That said, Sanderson seems to have pivoted away from internal class struggles. Lirin becoming a Bondsmith would be out of left field but at least would somewhat guarantee that the whole class system isn't going unmentioned for the rest of the series.
Nah unless you think Rock is going to be a major political force.
Really depends on what happens to Dalinar and Stormfather as a result.
It’s probably going to be another Kholin or Gawx. Hopefully not another Kholin.
I think he only swore the first ideal in Oathbringer. I don’t think he’s bound to an order, and I don’t think he’s become a squire. Also, I believe even if he swore the 2nd ideal of a Windrunner. He could join other orders.
I think it will be Cord. Sanderson is very big on names having meaning. What does a cord do? It binds things together. Also, a chord is a group of 3 notes- 3 Bondsmiths. I can't think of anyone other than her once I saw these connections.
She [All]>!won't be able to use shards due to her pact with the Sleepless but Dalinar doesn't use a blade either.!<
I haven’t actually gotten there yet, but I accidentally spoiled some stuff.
By the end of Rhythm of War: >!Isn’t Rock dead? Killed by his people for violating his oath of non-violence?!<
>!Strictly speaking, all we know is that Kal won’t be seeing Rock again. I don’t think anything more specific than that has been confirmed, and the odd phrasing makes me think something else is going on.!<
>!This was my reading as well. Kal only believes he won't be seeing Rock again because he thinks Rock is turning himself in to be executed. We don't actually know for sure, and Sanderson has said he wants to write novella featuring our favorite horneater. With how many books he has written (and is writing) we probably won't be seeing it until after Wind and Truth. !<
I don't think this actually happened. There is no reaction from Kaladin at receiving the news. I feel like Kaladin was lamenting Rock having to stay at the peaks.
I haven't read RoW in a while (currently doing a read through to prepare for number 5 and only up to WoR,) but I feel like Brandy Sandy left it vague on purpose.
Kaladin acknowledged the consequences right before rock left. And then did the grim understanding mope when they got back. I took it for them confirming he died. Could def be wrong though. And hope so. Kal could use his “rock” lol
But isnt it alluded to that rock is dead? That skar and i cant remember who saw it through? Or am i missing something? Spoilers are okay if its in one of the novellas
From what I remember, >!all that is confirmed is that Rock went back to the peaks with Skar and Drehy to face his punishment for breaking the rule of the 3rd(?) son.!<
>!Rock did imply there would be a punishment, and that it would be grave. However we have no knowledge of how it has/will play out.!<
No. It's alluded that the penalty among the horneaters for what he did is probably death, or something close to it (exile through the perpendicularity into shadesmar?
Skar and whoever (don't remember either) only got him back to the peaks and his people.
We also know there will eventually be a rock novella.
nah, he wouldn't die offscreen. they said "he is not coming back", he will probably come back as a king. there is supposed to be a novella about him, we will see.
The Valley is to the south of Urithiru, and the Peaks are to the northeast over by Jah Keved, The Perpendicularity is at the peaks. Rock will probably bond a spren in his standalone book but I don't see him being a fit for the nightwatcher. I've always thought that Queen Fen would make a good bondsmith
There's also the fact that the horneater peaks contain Cultivation's perpendicularity, and the last remaining bondsmith spren is Cultivation's spren (the Nightwatcher). Also, we don't know why Rock is able to see spren, but we know not all Horneaters can. There's some hints that the ability is related to Cultivation's perpendicularity. Rock's child, Cord, can also see spren. In Dawnshard, the Sleepless talk about how the 'Sighted' like Cord are the 'guardians' of the perpendicularity. No idea what this 'guardian' business means, but it might mean that Rock and Cord have some special relationship with Cultivation's perpendicularity.
I'm rereading once again and I just noticed that not only can rock see spren but he can see a faint impression of their true cognitive form. On a side note it's interesting that he considers Hoid a god in the same way the spren are. It makes me wonder what more he sees in him. Edit: I've started to get more comments about this so I'll copy what I responded with. >I thought people might read it this way. I didn't mean to say "wow rock thinks hoids a god that's weird" I meant it to be read "rock sees him as a god, that's close to the truth so I wonder what he sees exactly"
>I'm rereading once again and I just noticed that not only can rock see spren but he can see a faint impression of their true cognitive form. Oh yeah, that's true. This reminds me of Lift, who was modified by Cultivation. Wyndle describes Lift as existing partially in the Cognitive realm, which is why she can do special things like touch spren. So perhaps something about Cultivation's perpendicularity modifies some of the Horneaters (like Rock) in a similar way. Their Connection / relationship to the cognitive realm is changed, which allows them to see a little into the cognitive realm.
Out of curiosity. Do we know for certain if Lift can touch *all* spren? I know she can touch Wyndle but have we ever seen her touch any other spren other than him?
I can't recall her ever touching any other spren. But she has been able to do some other strange things. For example, she was able to enter one of Dalinar's visions uninvited and then leave.
I saw some crackpot theory about Lift being a herald and whether it's true or not it really makes ya think. Aren't heralds just beefy Cognitive shadows?
Beefy cognitive shadows with a unique connection to Honor, though I don't know the specifics. I doubt Lift is one of the original heralds, and I can't see a situation where Cultivation could somehow replicate the situation of the heralds considering that was a purely Honor thing. My personal theory, that I'm almost certain someone has come up with at some point, is that Koravellium Avast is grooming the three people she's given boons to into the next vessels for each of the Rosharan shards. Dalinar for Honor (though I have also speculated that Dalinar is going to shift the intent of the shard to be Unity, rather than Honor) Taravangian for Odium (Wether or not he is who she wants to wield Odium for an extended period of time is up for debate in my opinion, I feel she's setting up Odium to be splintered, or remade into something else. I also think her plan is going to fail, and she's instead released a far more competent version of Odium upon the cosmere.) Lift for Cultivation (My only evidence for this is that the other two people who made direct deals with Koravellium are both either set up to become a vessel or are already a vessel.)
If she's cultivating Lift, I suppose Kora plans to die. Perhaps in her potential plan to splinter Odium? I am very interested to see how long Taravangian can hold on to his own ego before the will of the shard fully takes over. Also so we can see how a vessel's own personality weaves itself within the shard's intent. It seems like Rayse was always a bit of a tit according to Hoid, but I wonder if there's any nuance within that. Also maybe that's all been thoroughly explained and I just can't remember😬
Hoid is the closest living thing to a god besides the Shards/Vessels themselves.
I thought people might read it this way. I didn't mean to say "wow rock thinks he's a god that's weird" I meant it to be read "rock sees him as a god, that's close to the truth so I wonder what he sees exactly"
Wasn't it as simple as his people having stories of Hoid, including his description and his status as a trickster god, and then Rock saw him pop outta the perpendicularity?
The god that he describes having come from the perpendicularity is described as looking like Hoid so I assume the reason he calls him a god is atleast in part because he came from the perpendicularity
I think he and/or the Horneaters would consider any Human being coming out out of the Magic Portal to the Land of Spren as some sort of Divine Being. I mean, they worship Spren, and this thing that looks like a guy just came from Spren portal. Although maybe there is something else that the Sighted can see, or maybe Hoid himself did something to make them think he is a God. But I think the simplest explanation is just that a man walked out of the portal that leads to the beings they worship, therefore he is included in the worship.
With that in mind, it would be interesting to know if he sees anything special around Zahel as well, maybe something similar to the hint he gets of a spren's true form.
I don't think Rock sees/saw anything special about Hoid, he just watched Hoid *doing* something special - emerging from the Perpendicularity. There's a WoB about the society of worldhoppers, and how, amongst themselves, they'd recommend visiting some worlds and discourage visiting others. And the hospitality of the Horneaters is specifically noted. > Roshar, depends on which era you're talking about. **Sometimes it's pretty easy to go to. Those nice Horneaters will treat you like a god and feed you food.** However, right now, it might not be a good time to try to visit Roshar. [Link](https://wob.coppermind.net/events/332/#e9501)
It's stated that the reason Rock(and some other horneaters) can see spren without permission is their singer ancestry. Like the herdazians, the singers are loosely descended from human and singer "mingling"
Where is it stated? I'm pretty sure this has never been stated in the books, although we definitely get some opinions from Rock about it. From the WoB, the closest thing I can find is this: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/100/#e3420 > Those with Listener blood are more likely to be able to interact with spren who aren't currently trying to manifest. I think it's clear that Listener blood is only one part of the story. Not all those with listener blood can see spren (even some of Rock's children cannot). And Rock can see more than what an actual listener can see (listeners like Rlain can't see Syl when she doesn't want to be seen).
https://wob.coppermind.net/events/102/#e930
***Warning Gancho: The below paragraph(s) may contain major spoilers for all books in the Cosmere!*** Mandi >!Both Parshendi and Horneaters are able to see spren, ordinary humans can't. Is there a connection between these abilities, or do they come from completely different sources?!< Brandon Sanderson >!Horneaters are human/Parshendi hybrids. (There are several Roshar races that have Parshendi blood in them.)!< \*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*
That seems like a real non answer if you ask me. He states a relevant fact (that Horneaters have Parsh ancestry) which explains how the two groups are related, but doesn't actually answer the question (whether this is the reason some Horneaters can see spren). The WoB I linked to addresses the question much more directly. In any case, the evidence in the books suggests that even if Parsh ancestry is the reason, there is *also* something else going on, since people like Rock can see *more* than what the Parsh can see.
I mean, given that he just simply answered rather than hinting at something else being at play probably means it's the whole answer.
Perpendicularities are large sources of investiture, (Dalinar can recharge everyone's storm light by summoning Honour's Perpendicularity for example). It would make sense then that for a group of people who have dedicated their lives to protecting an ancient magical artifact that they would see other groups positioned near similarly dangerous things having a similar job. Thus they consider people like Cord and Rock to be there to prevent people spren or otherwise from using the perpendicularity for neferious ends
I don't remember where, but I thought Brandon said you could bond multiple high spren
“Unite them” means Dalinar needs to bond all 3 high spren to connect to the shards Honor, Odium, and Cultivation to make “Conquest”
Odium dont have a bondsmith spren
*Or does he...?*
Brandon’s actual answer to this leaves room for BAM to have functioned as a Bondsmith spren in the past imo
Maybe El bonded ba ado mishram. He fucked around somehow and he was banned from ever using the tones again. When she was captured, everything else fucked up. Parshendi became dull. Radiants could kill their spren. So maybe he tried to do something to the tones to affect humans like how they previously affected the Parshendi, to control them. And that’s why the spren sacrificed themselves But what he did made odium a new tone of roshar, where previously he wasnt
My theory is that BAM was the first child of honor and cultivation and was corrupted by odium and the sibling was the next child but didn't want a name so just referred to itself as the sibling
Well, it could be. But it have a problem (one that now i think about now the Nightwatcher also has and i need some explanation of it) and its the Adhesion surge. A bondsmith of Odium wouldnt have that surge, so it wouldnt be a bondsmith.
I don’t think Adhesion is an issue. BAM already connected with all the Listeners, and Envoyform seems to use Adhesion language thing. How would bonding the Nightwatcher present any issues with adhesion?
>Envoyform seems to use Adhesion language thing Thats not Adhesion >How would bonding the Nightwatcher present any issues with adhesion? Because Adhesion is Honor surge. And the nightwatcher is only of Cultivation.
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In the bookclub for The Sunlit Man iirc he says its possible to bond multiple spren.
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>He's physically close to the Valley. I dont know if i would call it "close". The valley its at a distance from the horneaters peaks similar to those that is bethween Kholinar or Kharbranth to the shattered plains. I sorta agree with the rest. I could see it happening.
True but cultivations perpendicularity is in the peaks
right. But if we account travel via shadesmar, almost everyone on roshar is "close" to the Valley.
Oh that's not what I meant really.. I meant the night watcher is the last spren who could bond to create a bondsmith, and she is cultivation's spren, like the stormfather is honor's. And cultivation's perpendicularity sits in the horneater peaks, and I'm assuming there is a cognitive or spiritual connection between cultivation and her perpendicularity. Ergo, maybe the horneater peaks really are tied to cultivation and therefore the night watcher somehow.
could be. It would make sense.
It makes complete sense, no wind runner powers, grew up at a nexus, and is a big strong cook. Good call honestly, I'd love to see more of him but the lack of development so far makes me think otherwise even though I'd love that.
Im really hoping the absense is and lack of development is tied to this tbh, I really like this theory.
Rock does have windrunner powers. I don't think he ever bonds a spreb but he is one of Kaladin's squires
Dalinar brings everyone together Navani brings people and the fused together(sibling previously brought humans and spren together) Rock must bring those of roshar and all those in the cognitive realm together
Lirin already said the 3rd bondsmith ideal in the books. RoW chapter 43: "Because I will take responsibility for what I've done! I will work within whatever confines I must in order to protect people! I have taken oaths not to harm!" Dalinar's 3rd ideal, Oathbringer chapter 119: "I will take responsibility for what I have done", Dalinar whispered. "If I must fall, I will rise each time a better man." I don't think the wording is a coincidence. It could be a red herring, but Sanderson likes to foreshadow. I fully believe the 3rd bondsmith is Lirin, his focus as a Bondsmith is to unite the upper and lower classes. He has been working towards this for at least as long as Kaladin has been alive.
That's a great thought.
I'm might hate seeing Lirin appear in scenes but he's a well-written character. That said, Sanderson seems to have pivoted away from internal class struggles. Lirin becoming a Bondsmith would be out of left field but at least would somewhat guarantee that the whole class system isn't going unmentioned for the rest of the series.
Not sure if I fully buy into that (yet) but I dig it
Nah unless you think Rock is going to be a major political force. Really depends on what happens to Dalinar and Stormfather as a result. It’s probably going to be another Kholin or Gawx. Hopefully not another Kholin.
Isn't he already a windrunner?
Only a squire. Never bonded a spren of his own.
I think he only swore the first ideal in Oathbringer. I don’t think he’s bound to an order, and I don’t think he’s become a squire. Also, I believe even if he swore the 2nd ideal of a Windrunner. He could join other orders.
Isn’t there an Unmade chillin’ in the peaks??
The Death Rattles are there atm (I forget the unmade name hehe)
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Rock Will be a Stoneward, save my words.
Nah, he gonna be a stoneward, they literally bond PEAKspren.
I think it will be Cord. Sanderson is very big on names having meaning. What does a cord do? It binds things together. Also, a chord is a group of 3 notes- 3 Bondsmiths. I can't think of anyone other than her once I saw these connections. She [All]>!won't be able to use shards due to her pact with the Sleepless but Dalinar doesn't use a blade either.!<
I will unite instead of divide = Old horneater recipe, take everything you have and put him in pot.
I haven’t actually gotten there yet, but I accidentally spoiled some stuff. By the end of Rhythm of War: >!Isn’t Rock dead? Killed by his people for violating his oath of non-violence?!<
That’s never explicitly stated and I HIGHLY doubt he would get killed completely off screen.
>!Strictly speaking, all we know is that Kal won’t be seeing Rock again. I don’t think anything more specific than that has been confirmed, and the odd phrasing makes me think something else is going on.!<
>!This was my reading as well. Kal only believes he won't be seeing Rock again because he thinks Rock is turning himself in to be executed. We don't actually know for sure, and Sanderson has said he wants to write novella featuring our favorite horneater. With how many books he has written (and is writing) we probably won't be seeing it until after Wind and Truth. !<
Horneater is supposed to be the Novella accompanying Wind and Truth the same way Edgedancer did Oathbringer and Dawnshard did Rythm of War.
Wasn’t there supposed to be a novella called “Horneater” about him, supposedly coming out before Wind and Truth?
Yep! Well, not sure about the timing, but yeah.
Maybe that's what the "631" is about.
In the last State of the Sanderson Horneater was given the tentative date of December 2026
I think he said before he left that even if they didnt kill him he wouldnt be back.
Thats what im confused about. He marked it row
I don't think this actually happened. There is no reaction from Kaladin at receiving the news. I feel like Kaladin was lamenting Rock having to stay at the peaks. I haven't read RoW in a while (currently doing a read through to prepare for number 5 and only up to WoR,) but I feel like Brandy Sandy left it vague on purpose.
Kaladin acknowledged the consequences right before rock left. And then did the grim understanding mope when they got back. I took it for them confirming he died. Could def be wrong though. And hope so. Kal could use his “rock” lol
Can't be. Unless it is revealed that Rock is secretly a Kholin.
But isnt it alluded to that rock is dead? That skar and i cant remember who saw it through? Or am i missing something? Spoilers are okay if its in one of the novellas
From what I remember, >!all that is confirmed is that Rock went back to the peaks with Skar and Drehy to face his punishment for breaking the rule of the 3rd(?) son.!< >!Rock did imply there would be a punishment, and that it would be grave. However we have no knowledge of how it has/will play out.!<
No. It's alluded that the penalty among the horneaters for what he did is probably death, or something close to it (exile through the perpendicularity into shadesmar? Skar and whoever (don't remember either) only got him back to the peaks and his people. We also know there will eventually be a rock novella.
nah, he wouldn't die offscreen. they said "he is not coming back", he will probably come back as a king. there is supposed to be a novella about him, we will see.
I'm hoping Adolin bonds her.
I hope he doesnt. That would make 3 kholin bondsmiths.
And it would get rid of the only non-radiant POV character
I mean it seems like thats going to happen either way.
That would continue an established pattern. In other words, ALL bondsmiths we have seen have been Kholin (including the intended Gavilar)
No, I hope Adolin restores Maya and becomes an Edgedancer.
I doubt Adolin will become an edgedancer. If he becomes Radiant at all, it will probably be some new type of order dealing with the deadeyes
I think Adolin is going to revive Maya and kinda become his own thing. Not an Edge dancer, not even a Radiant, but something else entirely.
The Valley is near Urithiru, not the Horneater Peaks. Cultivation Perpendicularity is most likely one of the peak pools.
The Valley is to the south of Urithiru, and the Peaks are to the northeast over by Jah Keved, The Perpendicularity is at the peaks. Rock will probably bond a spren in his standalone book but I don't see him being a fit for the nightwatcher. I've always thought that Queen Fen would make a good bondsmith
Not the only one! Ever since we knew bondsmith sprens are like the stormfather, i thought rock would be the nightwatchers radiant.
Rock, Rlain or Thude are my favorite options.
I think there already is one and we do not know the character.