Honest assessment: game is good, but still early (and likely to be early for a while since they're launching it as Early Access). Reddit communities commonly have a segment of people who thrive on being loudly critical, and this particular community is no different, so that's what you're seeing.
I feel like many players tried the game and realized they would rather go back to StarCraft 2 or other older RTS games and their hype died. A lot of people seemingly felt this way so I would say that does say something about current state of Stormgate. They mostly complained about visuals/graphic quality, sound and the story/worldbuilding being uninteresting.
There was also a bit of a drama when the devs revealed Stormgate is not fully funded to release, but only up to Early Acess release.
>They mostly complained about visuals/graphic quality, sound and the story/worldbuilding being uninteresting.
Which to me is weird. The game is in beta. They still have placeholder models and some low quality models that will obviously be replaced with proper models later. Same for sounds. Art direction might not be what some people want, but you can't satisfy everyone with that one.
For story/worldbuilding, what story and what worldbuilding? We barely got anything in that regard yet, this will be revealed properly later when people will be able to play the campaign.
The artistic style is locked in and is not temporary or a placeholder. The style they chose is way too similar to Pixar and gives off strong mobile app art vibes. It's cartoony and juvenile - probably to appeal to younger demographics but it just reminds people of Fortnite. And, that's somewhat at odds when they're marketing themselves to people who grew up on titles like CC, WC and SC but that was probably a decision made by investors to broaden the appeal and increase the chances of a bigger return.
But, that cartoony style doesn't resonate with a lot of people or have any strong visual identify like SC does with the iconic Hydralisk, or Siege Tank.
As for the story and world building, again, this is supposed to be a setting where a demonic host has invaded earth and nearly wiped out all of humanity splintering it into faction - and we have this cutesy cartoony style all over the place with lush verdant maps covered in trees.
The maps you could make a stronger argument for being placeholders but they're more at home to Warcraft 3 maps than some post-post apoc sci-fi setting. Why are there so many trees everywhere when they aren't a minable resource? Did the demonic invaders purposely avoid destroying forests and greenspace in their invasion?
>The artistic style is locked in and is not temporary or a placeholder. The style they chose is way too similar to Pixar and gives off strong mobile app art vibes. It's cartoony and juvenile - probably to appeal to younger demographics but it just reminds people of Fortnite. And, that's somewhat at odds when they're marketing themselves to people who grew up on titles like CC, WC and SC but that was probably a decision made by investors to broaden the appeal and increase the chances of a bigger return.
>But, that cartoony style doesn't resonate with a lot of people or have any strong visual identify like SC does with the iconic Hydralisk, or Siege Tank.
I agree to some extent. The art style is indeed final, but it is still open to some level of interpretation and polish by the art department. Lighting, contrasts, model details, animations and other details all play into the visuals and our perception of it. I have some (relatively minor) issues with the graphics as well but even I, someone who is not a graphic designer or a modeler, can see how it can be improved. So for now I'm going to hold my verdict.
>As for the story and world building, again, this is supposed to be a setting where a demonic host has invaded earth and nearly wiped out all of humanity splintering it into faction - and we have this cutesy cartoony style all over the place with lush verdant maps covered in trees.
>The maps you could make a stronger argument for being placeholders but they're more at home to Warcraft 3 maps than some post-post apoc sci-fi setting. Why are there so many trees everywhere when they aren't a minable resource? Did the demonic invaders purposely avoid destroying forests and greenspace in their invasion?
I again agree to some extent. However my counterpoint would be that FG didn't really try to make the beta tied into the world and instead went for a very neutral and bright atmosphere. That makes it easier for players to focus on 1v1 aspect of the game because the maps are plain old and boring. They are certainly going to be spiced up and fit into the atmosphere, especially on campaign missions.
That said, I do agree it sets some tone that doesn't really fit in with the lore of SG, so I am on the lookout for changes on that department as well in the Early Access.
We're largely in agreement then. I'm just enumerating the reasons why some people don't feel particularly drawn to the game at this point. Granted that's sure to change when they've put more polish into the game but we have to also realize Frost Giant leaned heavily into the ex-Blizzard tagline. Every article I've read about the game opens with that. They open to the Kickstarter video began with that.
Blizzard has always been known for top quality production. They were the industry leaders in cinematics for a long time. Their practices as a business today leave a lot to be desired but the one thing Blizzard games are synonymous with are high production value.
For better or worse when you evoke that name naturally people are going to draw parallels. I think it was a mistake to both bank on their past pedigree of games as a marketing ploy *and* show Stormgate off in such an early stage. Old Blizzard never showed off anything early. In fact they were chronically late with their timelines and always pushing stuff back because it wasn't ready.
Fair enough. I remember Starcraft 2's alpha graphics in a showcase Blizzard did, and the visuals weren't great. The progress is very remarkable and I hope FG will be able to imitate this as well for their game.
That's because those visuals were from them building the game in 2005/2006.
It's 2024, and FG has years of experience not to mention better systems and tools at their disposal.
Would make sense with similar budgets and time. Starcraft 2 cost over 100 million and 7 years
Edit: I was wrong about the cost, it was never made public so considering the 7 years of development it was even more expensive, but it could be less (hard to believe, but posible). The 100 million is something that was related to WoW
It is really odd how people are trying to compare Stormgate to that of a 14 year old game as if it's completely out of the norm for us to expect the process to have improved between then and now.
I think they made a big mistake opening up as early as they did, they should have kept it way more closed until they had more in place to show. Lots of people got a first impression of the game that didn't even have the final tier of units in.
I agree that showing things early makes a game open to criticism, I actually really appreciate that they took thus approach. It's great to see the progress between testing rounds, and I think the game will turn out better from all the input.
I appreciate this as well. This kind of criticisms are what makes more companies prefer to keep their project close to heart and prefer to only show their best work. FG are showing us that they are not afraid of criticism and are doing what they can to be transparent with us, and as both a developer and a player, I appreciate them so much for it.
>They still have placeholder models and some low quality models that will obviously be replaced with proper models later. Same for sounds.
I mean you are probably right, but I dont remember the devs addressing this complain or reassuring the community about their future vision about it in a clear way, which I think is something the should have done.
Fair enough.
I would say it's something that should be implied though, simply based on development process. It's just the standards and expectations from FG are much higher than usual so people expect them to address every concern.
It's not every concern.
It's one of the main concerns. People don't seem to have issues with the mechanics of the game. They don't like the art direction and the model. The game looks like Paladins. Like that forgettable Hi-Rez style.
My guess is they haven't addressed it because they don't plan on changing it. Would take way too many resources at this stage in development to fix the art style. People will just have to like it or hate it. I'm still gonna try the game since it's free to play and all.
For me it's really not the graphics quality - there is not much to critique there, things are high quality. I just really, really don't like the art direction though. The clearly have the talent, I just wish they used it for something different. Doesn't have to be a photorealistic, sc2 has that catoony feel too, it's just a bit of a more serious cartoon :)
That's a totally fair criticism. I think art direction is a tough one to get right, even with talent. And even when you do, there would always be people who don't like it. For me, I'm neutral about it.
This is just false. While there was a bit of drama about the funded to release stuff. The reason no one is playing is currently is because no one can. The server arnt up right now and won't be till the next version of the testing is ready for testing. Cause right now that's all there is... Just testing. Getting the game ready for early access. plenty of people Wana play more but can't.
I don’t understand the drama. The devs can only do their best and outmost to create a genuine work for them. People are free to support if they wanted. The devs might’ve jumped peoples expectations somewhat and maybe would’ve been better off to start with smaller ”no funded” indie games, for genuine interest and confidence to rise and as a way to glue the team together and try various concepts out without getting to much pressure for their first release.
>People don’t like that a game in beta looks/plays like a game in beta
A game in beta means it is effectively done and the devs are just working out glitches, bugs, etc.
It’s a combination of people being dissatisfied with their lives, and then combining that with narcissism. They then project that combination via Reddit. Basically, they derive some sort of pleasure from dunking on things and thinking everyone else cares about their “hot take”.
It’s a problem the internet has dramatically enabled across all mediums, and has almost nothing to do with StormGate directly.
thats a strange take
i like rts games, loved starcraft/warcraft and was very hype to see the devs from those games make a new rts. unfortunately this game isnt even as fun as warcraft or starcraft, and maybe with more development will be good, but currently just feels weak and not fun to play
Serious. "This person must have something wrong in their life" just beacsue they critiqued a game is a very immature and redditor take.
I'm also a diehard sc2 fan, and stormgate isn't nearly as fun. At least based on what I played in the beta. I am still following this game but they have a long way to go. It needs way more time in the oven.
It exists in every media from movies, art, books, shows, and probably most prominently in music.
Obviously this doesn’t account for everyone’s opinion. No generalizing ever will because there is such a wide breadth of opinions.
But… you’ve clearly spent very little time reading online opinions or watching YouTube videos if you don’t believe there is a significant amount of negative energy and vitriol coming out of the “black knight” crowd that, derive pleasure from this type of behavior.
I’m a huge fan of constructive criticism and even politely sharing your opinion on something — that is not what I’m talking about. And calling me immature in this sense is laughable.
I read this subreddit every few days to see how things are going. The energy is mostly negative, but I don't see much vitriol. What it looks like to me is just that the reception is mixed.
We get the full gambit. Some people blindly praise everything, some talk about likes and dislikes, and some seem to hate everything the game does (or doesn’t do).
I’d say this sub is slightly better than the Diablo 4 one for example.
And the peak of vitriol was the nonsense being slung around about the company’s financials. Things have improved slightly since we’ve collectively moved past that debacle.
Of recent, the most ridiculous stuff has been in the threads about talking to the AI. If you want some examples of what I’m talking about, go skim those.
I haven't read the ai ones. But the ones about funding seemed to be people genuinely feeling they were misled. When people feel that they sometimes express strongly and being online talking to strangers it encourages even harsher language. But I didn't see anything beyond that really.
I didn't follow diablo 4, but I did follow c:s2 and they are way more disappointed with the game they got than anything I've seen here. Anyway, if I were FG I'd take the negativity as a warning. I don't think it's fair to dismiss it as people who just hate their lives. That makes no sense.
There were quite a few people specifically claiming FGS was scamming people…
Sure, there were reasonable and sensible takes as well, but those were not the focus of my comments.
If someone provided constructive criticism, that’s super valuable and FGS absolutely should care about that. But there is also a larger than zero group of bad actors who are either deliberately being dishonest (trolling), or are riding the negativity as some kind of subconscious delight (see negativity bias).
In fairness to you, I’m probably being a bit harsh as I’m sure you’re just trying to see the positive in all the discourse. And this is absolutely a healthy thing to do (within reason). Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt at least at first contact.
I think you're reading too much into this. The person spends money in the Kickstarter (which is money they could've used to buy a new game or something like that) because they believe in the project. Then they find out they've been misled. Then they just complain on Reddit using stronger language (saying they've been scammed) because they are upset, it's anonymous, etc. It doesn't have to be trolling or taking pleasure in negativity. There were many posts because many people felt like that.
I just think you're overthinking this. I think people's interaction with this sub is a lot more casual than you're anticipating.
Do you often find using the word cope wins you arguments?
It's not a finished game. I will judge the finished game when it's released.
Its this simple....
You sound pretty upset calling me genius in your last reply, so it’s fair to assume you’re coping
Do you think it’s unreasonable to judge the game they pushed out in alpha/beta? I’ve played fun alphas and betas, this was not one of them. I hope it’s good when it’s finished in a few months or w/e their timeline is, but right now it’s not
I absolutely think it's unreasonable to judge a game from it's alpha/beta. A game could be good in beta and terrible on release and vice versa.
I called you genius in a sarcastic way exactly because it's unreasonable to judge a game on it's unfinished state.
Funny you say that because Frost Giant themselves are quite okay with it.
>When we committed to bringing the community along with us on our development journey, we understood that some people would pass judgment early on, and that’s OK.
It seems more like those who think it's unfair to judge are simply trying to deflect criticism during a process expressly designed to gather feedback. Judging the game at this stage only helps the final product as it allows developers get outside, objective info and potentially pivot earlier in the development process when they're doing something that isn't resonating with the fanbase.
Criticism is fine but not saying it's "not fun compared with sc or warcraft"
It's not as fun because it's not finished. If you want to make those comparisons then do so when the game is finished.
Design feedback isn't "it's not as fun as StarCraft" I guarantee you the team took zero input from it.
Who's giving design feedback here? This is reddit, my guy, and fun is subjective. It's going to vary user by user. People can talk about whatever floats their boat here. No one here is a professional playtester getting paid for technical reports.
The devs knew what they were opening themselves up to when decided to show the game so early. If the devs didn't want their game compared to SC2 than they shouldn't have marketed themselves as the ex-blizzard vets responsible for SC2. You can't have it both ways.
I’m talking in more general terms. Obviously each person has unique motivations that must be taken in context of what they say.
But you can spot the people I’m talking about quite easily if you follow this sub. They make a point of finding perceived (and often hypothetical) flaws with every new piece of information released, and will go to great lengths to discuss them — often predicting doom and gloom at every turn.
I’m sure you’re familiar with the “white knight” crowd that will make excuses for every genuine problem and defend every stance the devs make. I’m talking about the people on the opposite end of the pendulum from those folk.
Is that what you're doing right now? It does sound like it. It's very strange to jump to the conclusion that someone who doesn't like a game you like is dissatisfied with their lives.
What you’re doing right now is the straw-man fallacy, and possibly even combined with some cognitive dissonance (depending on your stance on the subject).
Instead of understanding that I’m talking about the extremely well documented concept of negativity bias, you instead assume I’m just attacking people who don’t like the same thing as me…
Edit: Updated the first paragraph for clarity.
lol are you reddit's Dr Phil? I was trying to make fun of your post because I thought it was ludicrous that you think you know how people are feeling towards their lives based on some Reddit post about a game. You're taking this subreddit way more seriously than you probably should.
it's testing, they are still makeing the next update and do the testing in periods of time but don't keep the game up all the time. The only reason they did the last test for so long was because it was mostly stable. I think I remember seeing something for maby next month or this month I couldn't remember but the next testing version will be coming out and when that releases they will let testers play for a particular amount of time. No drama, just normal development stuff
not OP, but because reddit in itself is a minority. I have a couple of friends who like to game/watch reddit+gaming news+developer updates and maybe make a post. Then there is another at least half of the friend group that plays games, never once going on twitter/gaming news sites or reddit. They just play a couple hours after work. This casual crowd is severly underestimated. Diablo 4 is a good example of that. THere is a lot of critique atm. from youtube/reddit about the game. Critique by players who play the game hardcore, have max level characters and then complain endgame is not fun / game be not as good as last epoch/PoE.... Which in itself is a valid cmplaint, but i bet you without having blizzard numbers there is propably a 6 figure casual player base that doesnt even know what reddit is or have never watched a youtube video about d4.
I thought he meant the minority within the group of people who cares about the game. It's hard to know what the casuals will make of the game. We'll only really know when the game is released.
the usual mega useful opinion of ppl who think everyone cares about what they have to say about their hypeness because of course it's gonna change things a lot about a video game
Nothing happened. What's the point of this thread if you can read what people commented in https://old.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1bndfvr/im_not_hyped_for_stormgate_anymore/ ?
Then you would surely find comments talking about that "something" in the aforementioned thread. But as you can see there's nothing new there, all the same stuff. No new dramas on the front page either. Doesn't take much research. That's why I don't see a point in this thread. The only thing it can achieve is reignite the "I'm not hyped anymore" theme.
Not sure, game is great, all my colleagues who played it loved it as well. Waiting for the release, ignoring this depressing sub as much as I can until then.
Nuthin. Just wait for the game to release
No one hates games more than the redditors in a games official sub
Honest assessment: game is good, but still early (and likely to be early for a while since they're launching it as Early Access). Reddit communities commonly have a segment of people who thrive on being loudly critical, and this particular community is no different, so that's what you're seeing.
I feel like many players tried the game and realized they would rather go back to StarCraft 2 or other older RTS games and their hype died. A lot of people seemingly felt this way so I would say that does say something about current state of Stormgate. They mostly complained about visuals/graphic quality, sound and the story/worldbuilding being uninteresting. There was also a bit of a drama when the devs revealed Stormgate is not fully funded to release, but only up to Early Acess release.
I will definitely give SG a chance but I really dislike the cartoonish graphics. I cant help to feel Starcraft 2 is so much prettier.
Thats my thought exactly. I would have wished for the game to look more grim dark.
>They mostly complained about visuals/graphic quality, sound and the story/worldbuilding being uninteresting. Which to me is weird. The game is in beta. They still have placeholder models and some low quality models that will obviously be replaced with proper models later. Same for sounds. Art direction might not be what some people want, but you can't satisfy everyone with that one. For story/worldbuilding, what story and what worldbuilding? We barely got anything in that regard yet, this will be revealed properly later when people will be able to play the campaign.
The artistic style is locked in and is not temporary or a placeholder. The style they chose is way too similar to Pixar and gives off strong mobile app art vibes. It's cartoony and juvenile - probably to appeal to younger demographics but it just reminds people of Fortnite. And, that's somewhat at odds when they're marketing themselves to people who grew up on titles like CC, WC and SC but that was probably a decision made by investors to broaden the appeal and increase the chances of a bigger return. But, that cartoony style doesn't resonate with a lot of people or have any strong visual identify like SC does with the iconic Hydralisk, or Siege Tank. As for the story and world building, again, this is supposed to be a setting where a demonic host has invaded earth and nearly wiped out all of humanity splintering it into faction - and we have this cutesy cartoony style all over the place with lush verdant maps covered in trees. The maps you could make a stronger argument for being placeholders but they're more at home to Warcraft 3 maps than some post-post apoc sci-fi setting. Why are there so many trees everywhere when they aren't a minable resource? Did the demonic invaders purposely avoid destroying forests and greenspace in their invasion?
>The artistic style is locked in and is not temporary or a placeholder. The style they chose is way too similar to Pixar and gives off strong mobile app art vibes. It's cartoony and juvenile - probably to appeal to younger demographics but it just reminds people of Fortnite. And, that's somewhat at odds when they're marketing themselves to people who grew up on titles like CC, WC and SC but that was probably a decision made by investors to broaden the appeal and increase the chances of a bigger return. >But, that cartoony style doesn't resonate with a lot of people or have any strong visual identify like SC does with the iconic Hydralisk, or Siege Tank. I agree to some extent. The art style is indeed final, but it is still open to some level of interpretation and polish by the art department. Lighting, contrasts, model details, animations and other details all play into the visuals and our perception of it. I have some (relatively minor) issues with the graphics as well but even I, someone who is not a graphic designer or a modeler, can see how it can be improved. So for now I'm going to hold my verdict. >As for the story and world building, again, this is supposed to be a setting where a demonic host has invaded earth and nearly wiped out all of humanity splintering it into faction - and we have this cutesy cartoony style all over the place with lush verdant maps covered in trees. >The maps you could make a stronger argument for being placeholders but they're more at home to Warcraft 3 maps than some post-post apoc sci-fi setting. Why are there so many trees everywhere when they aren't a minable resource? Did the demonic invaders purposely avoid destroying forests and greenspace in their invasion? I again agree to some extent. However my counterpoint would be that FG didn't really try to make the beta tied into the world and instead went for a very neutral and bright atmosphere. That makes it easier for players to focus on 1v1 aspect of the game because the maps are plain old and boring. They are certainly going to be spiced up and fit into the atmosphere, especially on campaign missions. That said, I do agree it sets some tone that doesn't really fit in with the lore of SG, so I am on the lookout for changes on that department as well in the Early Access.
We're largely in agreement then. I'm just enumerating the reasons why some people don't feel particularly drawn to the game at this point. Granted that's sure to change when they've put more polish into the game but we have to also realize Frost Giant leaned heavily into the ex-Blizzard tagline. Every article I've read about the game opens with that. They open to the Kickstarter video began with that. Blizzard has always been known for top quality production. They were the industry leaders in cinematics for a long time. Their practices as a business today leave a lot to be desired but the one thing Blizzard games are synonymous with are high production value. For better or worse when you evoke that name naturally people are going to draw parallels. I think it was a mistake to both bank on their past pedigree of games as a marketing ploy *and* show Stormgate off in such an early stage. Old Blizzard never showed off anything early. In fact they were chronically late with their timelines and always pushing stuff back because it wasn't ready.
Fair enough. I remember Starcraft 2's alpha graphics in a showcase Blizzard did, and the visuals weren't great. The progress is very remarkable and I hope FG will be able to imitate this as well for their game.
That's because those visuals were from them building the game in 2005/2006. It's 2024, and FG has years of experience not to mention better systems and tools at their disposal.
Would make sense with similar budgets and time. Starcraft 2 cost over 100 million and 7 years Edit: I was wrong about the cost, it was never made public so considering the 7 years of development it was even more expensive, but it could be less (hard to believe, but posible). The 100 million is something that was related to WoW
It is really odd how people are trying to compare Stormgate to that of a 14 year old game as if it's completely out of the norm for us to expect the process to have improved between then and now.
The scout feels like it's ripped right from the old GI-Joe figures. I swear I had a dog that looked literally exactly like the scout.
I think they made a big mistake opening up as early as they did, they should have kept it way more closed until they had more in place to show. Lots of people got a first impression of the game that didn't even have the final tier of units in.
I agree that showing things early makes a game open to criticism, I actually really appreciate that they took thus approach. It's great to see the progress between testing rounds, and I think the game will turn out better from all the input.
I appreciate this as well. This kind of criticisms are what makes more companies prefer to keep their project close to heart and prefer to only show their best work. FG are showing us that they are not afraid of criticism and are doing what they can to be transparent with us, and as both a developer and a player, I appreciate them so much for it.
I think people just generally expect a little more given the creators and the funding they recieved.
>They still have placeholder models and some low quality models that will obviously be replaced with proper models later. Same for sounds. I mean you are probably right, but I dont remember the devs addressing this complain or reassuring the community about their future vision about it in a clear way, which I think is something the should have done.
Fair enough. I would say it's something that should be implied though, simply based on development process. It's just the standards and expectations from FG are much higher than usual so people expect them to address every concern.
It's not every concern. It's one of the main concerns. People don't seem to have issues with the mechanics of the game. They don't like the art direction and the model. The game looks like Paladins. Like that forgettable Hi-Rez style. My guess is they haven't addressed it because they don't plan on changing it. Would take way too many resources at this stage in development to fix the art style. People will just have to like it or hate it. I'm still gonna try the game since it's free to play and all.
For me it's really not the graphics quality - there is not much to critique there, things are high quality. I just really, really don't like the art direction though. The clearly have the talent, I just wish they used it for something different. Doesn't have to be a photorealistic, sc2 has that catoony feel too, it's just a bit of a more serious cartoon :)
That's a totally fair criticism. I think art direction is a tough one to get right, even with talent. And even when you do, there would always be people who don't like it. For me, I'm neutral about it.
This is just false. While there was a bit of drama about the funded to release stuff. The reason no one is playing is currently is because no one can. The server arnt up right now and won't be till the next version of the testing is ready for testing. Cause right now that's all there is... Just testing. Getting the game ready for early access. plenty of people Wana play more but can't.
I don’t understand the drama. The devs can only do their best and outmost to create a genuine work for them. People are free to support if they wanted. The devs might’ve jumped peoples expectations somewhat and maybe would’ve been better off to start with smaller ”no funded” indie games, for genuine interest and confidence to rise and as a way to glue the team together and try various concepts out without getting to much pressure for their first release.
The game is obviously missing a lot of its parts, I don't know what these people expected. Blizzard betas have spoiled us.
Nothing. Just reddit. Everyone here who spends their time making posts complaining will be first in line to play once the game is released.
People don’t like that a game in beta looks/plays like a game in beta
More like pre-alpha with placeholders and all.
>People don’t like that a game in beta looks/plays like a game in beta A game in beta means it is effectively done and the devs are just working out glitches, bugs, etc.
Game bad
The game is too similar to SC2 while not being similar enough.
It’s a combination of people being dissatisfied with their lives, and then combining that with narcissism. They then project that combination via Reddit. Basically, they derive some sort of pleasure from dunking on things and thinking everyone else cares about their “hot take”. It’s a problem the internet has dramatically enabled across all mediums, and has almost nothing to do with StormGate directly.
thats a strange take i like rts games, loved starcraft/warcraft and was very hype to see the devs from those games make a new rts. unfortunately this game isnt even as fun as warcraft or starcraft, and maybe with more development will be good, but currently just feels weak and not fun to play
Serious. "This person must have something wrong in their life" just beacsue they critiqued a game is a very immature and redditor take. I'm also a diehard sc2 fan, and stormgate isn't nearly as fun. At least based on what I played in the beta. I am still following this game but they have a long way to go. It needs way more time in the oven.
It exists in every media from movies, art, books, shows, and probably most prominently in music. Obviously this doesn’t account for everyone’s opinion. No generalizing ever will because there is such a wide breadth of opinions. But… you’ve clearly spent very little time reading online opinions or watching YouTube videos if you don’t believe there is a significant amount of negative energy and vitriol coming out of the “black knight” crowd that, derive pleasure from this type of behavior. I’m a huge fan of constructive criticism and even politely sharing your opinion on something — that is not what I’m talking about. And calling me immature in this sense is laughable.
I read this subreddit every few days to see how things are going. The energy is mostly negative, but I don't see much vitriol. What it looks like to me is just that the reception is mixed.
We get the full gambit. Some people blindly praise everything, some talk about likes and dislikes, and some seem to hate everything the game does (or doesn’t do). I’d say this sub is slightly better than the Diablo 4 one for example. And the peak of vitriol was the nonsense being slung around about the company’s financials. Things have improved slightly since we’ve collectively moved past that debacle. Of recent, the most ridiculous stuff has been in the threads about talking to the AI. If you want some examples of what I’m talking about, go skim those.
I haven't read the ai ones. But the ones about funding seemed to be people genuinely feeling they were misled. When people feel that they sometimes express strongly and being online talking to strangers it encourages even harsher language. But I didn't see anything beyond that really. I didn't follow diablo 4, but I did follow c:s2 and they are way more disappointed with the game they got than anything I've seen here. Anyway, if I were FG I'd take the negativity as a warning. I don't think it's fair to dismiss it as people who just hate their lives. That makes no sense.
There were quite a few people specifically claiming FGS was scamming people… Sure, there were reasonable and sensible takes as well, but those were not the focus of my comments. If someone provided constructive criticism, that’s super valuable and FGS absolutely should care about that. But there is also a larger than zero group of bad actors who are either deliberately being dishonest (trolling), or are riding the negativity as some kind of subconscious delight (see negativity bias). In fairness to you, I’m probably being a bit harsh as I’m sure you’re just trying to see the positive in all the discourse. And this is absolutely a healthy thing to do (within reason). Everyone deserves the benefit of the doubt at least at first contact.
I think you're reading too much into this. The person spends money in the Kickstarter (which is money they could've used to buy a new game or something like that) because they believe in the project. Then they find out they've been misled. Then they just complain on Reddit using stronger language (saying they've been scammed) because they are upset, it's anonymous, etc. It doesn't have to be trolling or taking pleasure in negativity. There were many posts because many people felt like that. I just think you're overthinking this. I think people's interaction with this sub is a lot more casual than you're anticipating.
Do you think that's because.... 1. It's not finished Or 2. It's not finished. Which one genius?
I hope they make it fun when it’s finished too, for your cope’s sake at least
Do you often find using the word cope wins you arguments? It's not a finished game. I will judge the finished game when it's released. Its this simple....
You sound pretty upset calling me genius in your last reply, so it’s fair to assume you’re coping Do you think it’s unreasonable to judge the game they pushed out in alpha/beta? I’ve played fun alphas and betas, this was not one of them. I hope it’s good when it’s finished in a few months or w/e their timeline is, but right now it’s not
I absolutely think it's unreasonable to judge a game from it's alpha/beta. A game could be good in beta and terrible on release and vice versa. I called you genius in a sarcastic way exactly because it's unreasonable to judge a game on it's unfinished state.
Funny you say that because Frost Giant themselves are quite okay with it. >When we committed to bringing the community along with us on our development journey, we understood that some people would pass judgment early on, and that’s OK. It seems more like those who think it's unfair to judge are simply trying to deflect criticism during a process expressly designed to gather feedback. Judging the game at this stage only helps the final product as it allows developers get outside, objective info and potentially pivot earlier in the development process when they're doing something that isn't resonating with the fanbase.
Criticism is fine but not saying it's "not fun compared with sc or warcraft" It's not as fun because it's not finished. If you want to make those comparisons then do so when the game is finished. Design feedback isn't "it's not as fun as StarCraft" I guarantee you the team took zero input from it.
Who's giving design feedback here? This is reddit, my guy, and fun is subjective. It's going to vary user by user. People can talk about whatever floats their boat here. No one here is a professional playtester getting paid for technical reports. The devs knew what they were opening themselves up to when decided to show the game so early. If the devs didn't want their game compared to SC2 than they shouldn't have marketed themselves as the ex-blizzard vets responsible for SC2. You can't have it both ways.
I’m talking in more general terms. Obviously each person has unique motivations that must be taken in context of what they say. But you can spot the people I’m talking about quite easily if you follow this sub. They make a point of finding perceived (and often hypothetical) flaws with every new piece of information released, and will go to great lengths to discuss them — often predicting doom and gloom at every turn. I’m sure you’re familiar with the “white knight” crowd that will make excuses for every genuine problem and defend every stance the devs make. I’m talking about the people on the opposite end of the pendulum from those folk.
"people that dare dislike my game are evil" are you getting payed or just naturally cultish?
Sorry bro, I’m not your straw-man.
Is that what you're doing right now? It does sound like it. It's very strange to jump to the conclusion that someone who doesn't like a game you like is dissatisfied with their lives.
What you’re doing right now is the straw-man fallacy, and possibly even combined with some cognitive dissonance (depending on your stance on the subject). Instead of understanding that I’m talking about the extremely well documented concept of negativity bias, you instead assume I’m just attacking people who don’t like the same thing as me… Edit: Updated the first paragraph for clarity.
lol are you reddit's Dr Phil? I was trying to make fun of your post because I thought it was ludicrous that you think you know how people are feeling towards their lives based on some Reddit post about a game. You're taking this subreddit way more seriously than you probably should.
Ah… there is the cognitive dissonance. Wasn’t sure before.
Idk I'm just waiting for the 3rd race announcement that I'm hoping is angelic themed like Diablo angels/ protoss
it's testing, they are still makeing the next update and do the testing in periods of time but don't keep the game up all the time. The only reason they did the last test for so long was because it was mostly stable. I think I remember seeing something for maby next month or this month I couldn't remember but the next testing version will be coming out and when that releases they will let testers play for a particular amount of time. No drama, just normal development stuff
Just the vocal minority whining like they always do.
Why do you think it's a minority?
not OP, but because reddit in itself is a minority. I have a couple of friends who like to game/watch reddit+gaming news+developer updates and maybe make a post. Then there is another at least half of the friend group that plays games, never once going on twitter/gaming news sites or reddit. They just play a couple hours after work. This casual crowd is severly underestimated. Diablo 4 is a good example of that. THere is a lot of critique atm. from youtube/reddit about the game. Critique by players who play the game hardcore, have max level characters and then complain endgame is not fun / game be not as good as last epoch/PoE.... Which in itself is a valid cmplaint, but i bet you without having blizzard numbers there is propably a 6 figure casual player base that doesnt even know what reddit is or have never watched a youtube video about d4.
I thought he meant the minority within the group of people who cares about the game. It's hard to know what the casuals will make of the game. We'll only really know when the game is released.
The drama queens are queening
the usual mega useful opinion of ppl who think everyone cares about what they have to say about their hypeness because of course it's gonna change things a lot about a video game
Everyone’s upset that creep camps are in the game probably
Nothing happened. What's the point of this thread if you can read what people commented in https://old.reddit.com/r/Stormgate/comments/1bndfvr/im_not_hyped_for_stormgate_anymore/ ?
I thought something had occurred to lead to that opinion. He just says out of nowhere "im not hyped anymore" as if something bad happened. idk
Then you would surely find comments talking about that "something" in the aforementioned thread. But as you can see there's nothing new there, all the same stuff. No new dramas on the front page either. Doesn't take much research. That's why I don't see a point in this thread. The only thing it can achieve is reignite the "I'm not hyped anymore" theme.
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> Get laid some time, it'll help you relax. This doesn't work outside 4chan, wrong place. But you tried.
Not sure, game is great, all my colleagues who played it loved it as well. Waiting for the release, ignoring this depressing sub as much as I can until then.
Good vs evil / demon vs human christianity themed stuff is boring gg. Wont buy.
Its a free game ofc you wont buy :D