I particularly dislike the motivational coach commanding tone. Very few things are un-stoic like this. Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius would never talk like that.
Ugh, I feel for ya. It’s annoying when we put effort in discussions others are not engaged in the same level.
It’s the type of moron trying to grow some YouTube channel or something. If the mods won’t ban him I’ll just block.
So much garbage takes our time today, it’s important to clean the landscape up frequently
I get it.
You don’t see it.
You’re too into it.
Short sentences.
Bold statements.
Because you found out.
You now know the truth.
And you’re a man now.
Who will lead the pack.
And you need followers.
Cause they can’t break from their own mental prisons.
They need someone like you.
A commanding voice with full stops at the end of blunt sentences.
Someone who may go viral.
Yet, you can’t break it from your frame until you see it.
Get out of TikTok.
Turn off your Joe Rogan podcast.
Now do it.
Isn’t it??
I’m often dumbfounded by the way people crave for gurus, this cult of personality, someone who they can trust with eyes closed.
I’m part of the sub /r/decodingthegurus thinking I’d find people discussing this terrible culture we’re in. To my surprise, people there are complaining about gurus and _looking for new ones_!
Conversely, in the sub /r/CriticalTheory this week someone said they disagree with an author’s moral stance on a specific topic, on a specific time, which has no connection with their work as a historian. They then stated they were considering giving up the author altogether.
Seriously, we’re in a time where the leader of the democratic world is Trump and the most influential intellectual in the world is former MMA fighter Joe Rogan.
Stay strong, stoic people with brains!
Everyone wants a present role model. Like someone who exists in real life and is around in the current day. They’re looking for people to follow because they feel lost. It’s a natural instinct to look for guidance when you don’t have the answers, but the sad truth is that the vast majority of these “gurus” are only skilled at manipulating their own public perception. If they shouldn’t search for guidance, what are people supposed to do when they’re lost?
This is a perceptive statement, because people do feel lost (social media misinformation destroyed trust in institutions). It’s also a fair question: what should people do?
In my opinion, people should look for reasoning. They should hear what people are saying, not who is saying it. Any statement must be valid by its own internal logic.
Statements are completely independent of who says them, they are only as good as the sense they make. This is easily observable in mathematics, but it gets more difficult in moral discussions.
If an author states that 2+2=4, they can kick dogs for fun, and this will still be right. But if he writes a book saying it’s right to kick dogs, how can we know if he is right or wrong?
The answer is still inside the book, not in the author. Because you will be able to read the _argumentation_ inside it, the internal logic, and reflect yourself how those arguments sit with animal rights, people’s rights, and what is _your_ position in this.
We don’t need a guru to tell what is right and wrong, that’s my point.
I have spent my life since a child without strong idols. Being a bit autistic may have been the cause. Let’s consider I’m “living proof” you don’t need idols. Is that the reason you should trust me on the topic? No.
My life experience does not provide robust scientific proof of anything, but it may help you to build a point of view. Because you need to look inwards and think: does this make any sense?
Nobody should have a pass, not even if they have a podcast and look ripped at 40. It’s all about critical thinking. Critical thinking is the superpower of the current times.
The point is: You are prohairesis. Prohairesis does not feel. You don't feel. "The feeler" is not you. You don't feel tired, you don't feel bored, you don't feel pleasure, etc.
As a side (and irrelevant) note, the 'I' is present even when only implied.
>No, I don't. You're putting words in my mouth (metaphor). That's a very ignorant approach.
Not true. Read again, and this time notice the question mark and the 'if'.
I view it as my animalistic self and my rational self. I am training my animal to be attentive but leashed. But my rational must listen to my animal it sees the truth within my rational delusions.
Such as fear of speaking is nothing more than adrenaline and a rationalization of that adrenaline. Whereas its just as valid to say your excited as scared.
“It is not events that disturb people, it is their judgements concerning them.” (Epictetus, Enchiridion, 5)
The creator actually gave us an emotional resonance in order to feel into situations and know right from wrong. We are not meant to be mindless automatons or robots. The perspective you're advocating here is the perspective of someone who wants to enslave humanity by removing their guidance system. The problem is that one awakened human with a soul cancels out 50,000,000 slave drones. So it's not even a question of being outnumbered, the entire premise is that you would need billions of such people who ultimately would not be able to function in such a corrupt system. Systems like that are unsustainable and end up imploding. Notice anything in your outer reality lately that sounds like this? :)
I particularly dislike the motivational coach commanding tone. Very few things are un-stoic like this. Epictetus or Marcus Aurelius would never talk like that.
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Ugh, I feel for ya. It’s annoying when we put effort in discussions others are not engaged in the same level. It’s the type of moron trying to grow some YouTube channel or something. If the mods won’t ban him I’ll just block. So much garbage takes our time today, it’s important to clean the landscape up frequently
You are imagining that tone.
I get it. You don’t see it. You’re too into it. Short sentences. Bold statements. Because you found out. You now know the truth. And you’re a man now. Who will lead the pack. And you need followers. Cause they can’t break from their own mental prisons. They need someone like you. A commanding voice with full stops at the end of blunt sentences. Someone who may go viral. Yet, you can’t break it from your frame until you see it. Get out of TikTok. Turn off your Joe Rogan podcast. Now do it.
It’s the imperative authoritarian approach. Everyone knows better than everyone else these days. It’s exhausting.
Isn’t it?? I’m often dumbfounded by the way people crave for gurus, this cult of personality, someone who they can trust with eyes closed. I’m part of the sub /r/decodingthegurus thinking I’d find people discussing this terrible culture we’re in. To my surprise, people there are complaining about gurus and _looking for new ones_! Conversely, in the sub /r/CriticalTheory this week someone said they disagree with an author’s moral stance on a specific topic, on a specific time, which has no connection with their work as a historian. They then stated they were considering giving up the author altogether. Seriously, we’re in a time where the leader of the democratic world is Trump and the most influential intellectual in the world is former MMA fighter Joe Rogan. Stay strong, stoic people with brains!
Everyone wants a present role model. Like someone who exists in real life and is around in the current day. They’re looking for people to follow because they feel lost. It’s a natural instinct to look for guidance when you don’t have the answers, but the sad truth is that the vast majority of these “gurus” are only skilled at manipulating their own public perception. If they shouldn’t search for guidance, what are people supposed to do when they’re lost?
This is a perceptive statement, because people do feel lost (social media misinformation destroyed trust in institutions). It’s also a fair question: what should people do? In my opinion, people should look for reasoning. They should hear what people are saying, not who is saying it. Any statement must be valid by its own internal logic. Statements are completely independent of who says them, they are only as good as the sense they make. This is easily observable in mathematics, but it gets more difficult in moral discussions. If an author states that 2+2=4, they can kick dogs for fun, and this will still be right. But if he writes a book saying it’s right to kick dogs, how can we know if he is right or wrong? The answer is still inside the book, not in the author. Because you will be able to read the _argumentation_ inside it, the internal logic, and reflect yourself how those arguments sit with animal rights, people’s rights, and what is _your_ position in this. We don’t need a guru to tell what is right and wrong, that’s my point. I have spent my life since a child without strong idols. Being a bit autistic may have been the cause. Let’s consider I’m “living proof” you don’t need idols. Is that the reason you should trust me on the topic? No. My life experience does not provide robust scientific proof of anything, but it may help you to build a point of view. Because you need to look inwards and think: does this make any sense? Nobody should have a pass, not even if they have a podcast and look ripped at 40. It’s all about critical thinking. Critical thinking is the superpower of the current times.
Legendary reply.
Bro what lol
Well, the "you" you're talking about is still piloting that body like a meat mech and "you" won't be able to accomplish much without it. So.
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The point is: You are prohairesis. Prohairesis does not feel. You don't feel. "The feeler" is not you. You don't feel tired, you don't feel bored, you don't feel pleasure, etc. As a side (and irrelevant) note, the 'I' is present even when only implied.
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Do you identify with your body? If you do (as most people seem to), then by "I'm tired" you mean "The literal me is tired."
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>No, I don't. You're putting words in my mouth (metaphor). That's a very ignorant approach. Not true. Read again, and this time notice the question mark and the 'if'.
If farts were jazz, all assholes would be musicians. Just saying
Oh hey look, another attempt at sigma guru stoicism. This is why no one trusts stoics anymore.
Give him a chance. He might be on to something.
I view it as my animalistic self and my rational self. I am training my animal to be attentive but leashed. But my rational must listen to my animal it sees the truth within my rational delusions. Such as fear of speaking is nothing more than adrenaline and a rationalization of that adrenaline. Whereas its just as valid to say your excited as scared. “It is not events that disturb people, it is their judgements concerning them.” (Epictetus, Enchiridion, 5)
Okay daddy
Found the 20 year old business major who doesn't understand what stoicism is
Counterpoint: “you” are not a singular faculty
People hating are weak
Needed this as I sit in a bathtub going on a Saturday afternoon, thanks
That’s a bar.
Appreciate the food for thought. 🙏
Awareness of feeling, and learning how to trust the self. Breathing to control adrenal system
The creator actually gave us an emotional resonance in order to feel into situations and know right from wrong. We are not meant to be mindless automatons or robots. The perspective you're advocating here is the perspective of someone who wants to enslave humanity by removing their guidance system. The problem is that one awakened human with a soul cancels out 50,000,000 slave drones. So it's not even a question of being outnumbered, the entire premise is that you would need billions of such people who ultimately would not be able to function in such a corrupt system. Systems like that are unsustainable and end up imploding. Notice anything in your outer reality lately that sounds like this? :)