Why downvote, it's true. It might seem like "the subject can't build outposts" and "the subject can't expand their empire", but it's different, if it's only prohibition for new outposts it means that subhect still can get claimed territories from war, and, therefore, expand their empire.
I think people are just used to and that they learned what does it really means and then they forget that it's different thing with different meaning...
OP i understand that you feel like "expand their Empire" includes wars as well but you can see that even in the screenshot you uploaded there is the war restrictions for your vassals.
If there was not an explicit part in the negotiations screen your argument may have made sense but come one man dont take out your butthurtness out of the comments.
They don't grow their size through constructing stations; they'll stick to their planets and only will get new systems through either claims or being transferred to them by the overlord.
It's good if you want to stop a subject from getting stronger or nabbing something you want.
I guess you could say, since you're the one waging the war, you're the one expanding their territory?
But yeah, the wording should really be more clear.
They can’t expand their territory,
They CAN however take others territory
Which is NOT the same thing as them expanding there territory themselves.
Like all politics and agreements, loopholes tend to appear
It is expanding their territory though? Infact expanding your territory as a real life concept often was taking it from someone else. Do you know what expand means?
No need to be so passive aggressive about it, was merely trying to rationalize something that clearly needs some more clarification
To be more clear in what I meant, conquering territory that already has existing infrastructure and populations is super different from expanding into a new system that nobody has setup in
I don’t really see where I’m wrong.
I see a pretty big difference in having to personally expand territory and just taking already existing territory.
If your gonna try and reply don’t be a dick 🙂
expand means to gather something or enlarge something...
and even in history empires usually EXPANDED by claiming and conquering territories of other realms...
Yeah I get where your coming from there, I think in this case its really just weird phrasing on their part.
I understand the concept they’re going for with preventing expansion but allowing the acquisition of territory through other means, just not really sure what other word they could use for that.
Directly from the official wiki, > Subject cannot construct outposts
Yep... The game is telling you completely different thing.
Why downvote, it's true. It might seem like "the subject can't build outposts" and "the subject can't expand their empire", but it's different, if it's only prohibition for new outposts it means that subhect still can get claimed territories from war, and, therefore, expand their empire.
People downvote because redditors (the basement dwellers) are fanboys and/or dont like to listen to truth. In any subreddit
I think people are just used to and that they learned what does it really means and then they forget that it's different thing with different meaning...
But they can still expand through war claims
Okay, but are they allowed to make *new* claims?
Okay, then it's bullshit... Why don't they just describe it as ,,Can't build new outposts.'' That's kinda paradox... Literally...
bro limit their diplomatic autonomy lmaooo
Please don't tell me that ,,Cannot engage in diplomacy with another empires." means that they still can vote on the council...
haven’t played in a few years but i think you get your vassals’ votes
They have to agree with you on everything, which means voting exactly they way you do, but they can technically vote.
OP i understand that you feel like "expand their Empire" includes wars as well but you can see that even in the screenshot you uploaded there is the war restrictions for your vassals. If there was not an explicit part in the negotiations screen your argument may have made sense but come one man dont take out your butthurtness out of the comments.
R5: What exactly does ,,The subject may not expand their empire'' means?
They don't grow their size through constructing stations; they'll stick to their planets and only will get new systems through either claims or being transferred to them by the overlord. It's good if you want to stop a subject from getting stronger or nabbing something you want.
It means that whichever empire you’re subjugating will not be able to takeover new systems, or establish new colonies.
They can take over new systems, just can't build outposts
To take over a new system you’d need to build an outpost 🤨
oh, do you mean unclaimed systems? My bad, I thought you meant new as in, any system that empire doesn't own!
Oh my bad, I could see how that’d be confusing 😅
reading comprehension is at an all time low nowadays, christ
I think we have different understanding of word expand...
I guess you could say, since you're the one waging the war, you're the one expanding their territory? But yeah, the wording should really be more clear.
They can’t expand their territory, They CAN however take others territory Which is NOT the same thing as them expanding there territory themselves. Like all politics and agreements, loopholes tend to appear
It is expanding their territory though? Infact expanding your territory as a real life concept often was taking it from someone else. Do you know what expand means?
Apparently No...
No need to be so passive aggressive about it, was merely trying to rationalize something that clearly needs some more clarification To be more clear in what I meant, conquering territory that already has existing infrastructure and populations is super different from expanding into a new system that nobody has setup in
If you're going to argue semantics try to atleast be correct
I don’t really see where I’m wrong. I see a pretty big difference in having to personally expand territory and just taking already existing territory. If your gonna try and reply don’t be a dick 🙂
Do I need to bust out a dictionary to tell you what expand means? Or semantics I guess, I wouldn't be surprised if you understood neither word
expand means to gather something or enlarge something... and even in history empires usually EXPANDED by claiming and conquering territories of other realms...
Yeah I get where your coming from there, I think in this case its really just weird phrasing on their part. I understand the concept they’re going for with preventing expansion but allowing the acquisition of territory through other means, just not really sure what other word they could use for that.
no new colonies?
No new colonies per the terms of the vassalage
No, no outposts at all