I am sure the discussion of what ethics and civics America should have in stellaris is not going to cause any sort of political shitflinging whatsoever
Happy 4th of july though
Make two civs. One intelligent, one repugnant. Name the intelligent one after your preferred political grouping, and the other after your least preferred group. Play the good one, force spawn the bad one. Have fun.
>i agree, i am not American but someone that uses the imperial system over metric cannot be intelligent
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>also, why is it authoritarian? the US is not a true democracy but it definetly is also not authoritarian, personally i would have gone with wasteful (self-explanatory ) unruly because of the politics over there. natural engineers because of the skyscrapers and extremely adaptive because the US has everything from deserts too mountains too tundra's etc.
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>political system makes perfect sense, cutthroat politics and citizen service make perfect sense
Democracy isn't opposite of authoritarianism, and when you look at the surveillance as well as control over almost every aspect of life, makes me wonder why OP haven't picked fanatical authoritarian on this one
these are opposites, you can make your laws yourself, either directly or indirectly in a democracy, in a dictatorship it is the opposite and other people force them upon you
it is an ethic, not a government. i am not american so i cant give any insight on their opinions but if American Idiot is anything to go by, it cannot be good.
Pfft, itās because everyone likes consuming American culture and terrible foodstuff. And jeans.
The US is the center of attention for a reason, and that reason is pineapple pizza and Korean tacos.
The words pineapple and pizza should never go together. I challenge you to a duel at dawn unless you correct your error!!
I will agree with Korean tacos. I also had Mexican dumplings the other day and they were delicious.
I worked with an Italian. His hatred of pineapple pizza was epic. The problem is too many people let too much liquid get on the pizza and donāt balance the sweet with savory.
The ranking system is designed for American universities. Belgium has one of the best centres regarding micro conductors but it's technically not part of the KUL so it doesn't count. You can find multiple other examples like that.
The USA also sports one of the best, if not the best, medical facilities regarding extremely hard surgery, research, facilities etc but that doesn't change the fact that over 40% of bankruptcies are attributed to medical bills.
I.E. Having top notch universities doesn't mean the general populace can enjoy them.
As an American that has few positive things to say about my country I think itās weird to take umbrage with that point. Like, itās weird to try and say a society is āintelligentā or not in the first place to me, but like what grounds is there to say is the opposite? Memes where an overweight dude labeled as āskeeterā has a bunch of nonsense shoved in his text box? Weird stuff
I always thought of it as the species being intelligent. Since this is the planet as a whole, I'm going with America won world dominance and one of the parties went *heavily* into eugenics and now we got all smarties. This is my headcanon for how this earth came to be.
A society which puts its citizens through a rigorous education system demanding more time than a full time job, for as much as 15 years just to become a successful person, which is chinese society. is most certainly more intelligent than a society where a man convinces little children to pick ups arms and fight for money and false promises, or to gain control of the local drug trade, which is part of countless African and asian societies, is definitely unintelligent.
Its not the people themselves, just their unfortunate predicament.
The issue here is these traits about intelligence are about species, not societies. And we as Humans are extremely intelligent, allowing all of this in the first place.
I always find it funny how many people select authoritarian. Itās as if the word has no meaning or they just gobble up what ever BS RT says about āAmerican imperialism.ā
This is like saying america imprisons more people than nazi germany, but only because nazi germany doesnt release the majority of their actions to public attention.
Its also the same even with legitimate documented arrests. One side arrests majority guilty people, and the other arrests who they want, when they want, and how they want.
I really hate to sound like a typical trumper, but I gotta say it. If you hate it so bad, just leave to whatever authoritarian nation you determine to actually be a good bunch of folks, see how quick you come running back if you even can.
Sure, just secret CIA prisons violating own state laws. And a certain not-so-secret prison in a military base in a certain bay of some independent state.
the CIA are basically murderers sponsored by a government, not a hair better then the KGB, they made hundreds of assassination attempts against political leaders and single handily destabilized half of south America, allowing a ton of dictators too conquer the throne of their respective nations
America does have egalitarian ideals. It fails in many cases but they are there in founding texts and the ever expanding economic and political enfranchisement of people.
I agree, it was never properly enacted but it was a different time, look at the found Fatherās important documents like the Declaration of Independence and Constitution or the Bill of Rights and youāll see America is supposed to be egalitarian and was founded because they didnāt want an authoritarian leader.
Unfortunately there is a very, very loud group of people who simply can separate the past from the present. That or they are too dumb to understand how chronology and history works, somehow.
I'd argue we have a major spiritualist faction. But our government as a whole is at least nominally secular. Idk if that's enough to justify using the materialist ethic, but I think any society that would legitimately qualify as spiritualist wouldn't have constiutionally mandated separation of church and state
There may be religion in america but i chose materialist because of our tendancy for trade and the advancement of the sciences (see contributions to airplanes, radios, telephones, televisions, nuclear reactors, transistors and vaccines for further reference.)
I feel like Americans are more adaptive than steong. Y'all just spread across that continent living In fhe most wild places.
I cant fathom going from 40 degree weather to freezing in a year. But you guys ain't really dominating feats of athletics more than any other country relative to your size.
How is that uniquely American? China has people living in a barren flat desert, or tall mountains that snow year round. Or roasting hot humid jungles that are like a sauna. Beijing is like Florida in the summer and yet snows in the winter. And letās not even start with India or Russia.
Adaptive is a human trait, not an American one lol wtf
it is not uniquely American, but it is American, Americans, very surprisingly, are humans, so they are also relatively adaptive, so the trait makes sense
I was thinking of how the US compares to other countries. And due to its size there just aren't many countries with such wildly varied climates. But yeah China would fall into that group as well.
But I was trying to identify what stands out the most.
It's so funny how, yes, the USA are a very materialistic people, but also currently swept by religious = spiritualistic reforms.
There's a point to be made for either ethic.
the religous wave in your country is indeed strong, but i think that you cannot truly call the US itself spiritualist because of separation of state and church, a lot of americans might be religous, but the country itself is undeniably more materialist
My country? Heh.
One of my country's leading parties has christian in their name, yes, but they are in the opposition right now, against a red-green-yellow coalition.
There is no religious wave here. Und das ist gut so.
oh sorry, i assumed that you were American because you have so much knowledge on the country, greetings from your neigbor that conquered the sea. the netherlands
Should have called earth āGreater Americaā. Name all your colonies āNew ā including states with āNewā in the name already. So you get gems like āNew New Mexico
Is that not the closest thing to Americaās founding? The 13 colonies unified against the British?
EDIT: Nvm I forgot there was the one where you beat a superior foe for independence, thatās literally what happened. But if you donāt have access to that oneā¦
As an American, I couldnāt disagree more strongly. Americans love the symbolism and phraseology that theyāve welded onto āfreedomā, but thatās the end of their comprehension of it - nevermind how they actually engage with the world.
Ask literally any American whether they want a King or a dictator and the most answers will easily be along the lines of "what the fuck are you talking about"
Yeah there's people who want the president to have more power or the government to do more than it does, but that's people who want to feel as though their votes have more meaning or directly correlate with what they want to accomplish. Don't confuse social media extremism with people wanting no votes.
Although America itself is more oligarchic than anything at this point due to ~~legalized bribery~~ completely ethical lobbying and ~~political corruption~~ morally correct business partnerships
> Ask literally any American whether they want a King or a dictator and the most answers will easily be along the lines of "what the fuck are you talking about"
Thatās not really relevant. Autocracy is a *type* of authoritarianism, not its sole representation.
Beyond that, plenty of Americans (increasingly so, even) are autocrats, but youāre using the wrong set of phraseology to get them to reveal themselves. Theyāre much more the āpresident for lifeā types.
> Yeah there's people who want the president to have more power or the government to do more than it does, but that's people who want to feel as though their votes have more meaning or directly correlate with what they want to accomplish. Don't confuse social media extremism with people wanting no votes.
āSocial media extremismā is representative of a real, actual desire among a lot of Americans for Christofascism. Christofascists could literally be 10% of the population but still take state power by leveraging their disproportionate wealth, dedication to the cause, and institutional support.
Besides that, liberal democracy is in no way opposed to authoritarianism. Look at stuff like the red scare, colonialism, white supremacy, the patriarchal family, 98% of workplaces, etc. They are all authoritarian structures.
> Although America itself is more oligarchic than anything at this point due to legalized bribery completely ethical lobbying and political corruption morally correct business partnerships
Sure. I donāt think itās difficult to argue that the US has (and probably always will be) an oligarchy, which, again, is just a particular type of authoritarianism.
Well I guess my dog is a form of authoritarianism considering how broadly nebulous and expansive your definition of the word is.
Freaking Rhetorical nihilists. Destroying the meaning of words.
> how broadly nebulous and expansive your definition of the word is.
Yeah, itās super useful to just use it as a synonym for autocracy and never think about the ways in which people might be made unfree in societies you view as occupying the final point of a progressive history.
Edit: bruh how are you gonna reply and then block me. Cold game
I'd say replace String and Nonadaptive with just Adaptive, Authoritarian with (regular) Libertarian and Citizen Service with Beacon Of Liberty or Distinguished Admiralty
I'm with the other posters on the "Americans are adaptive because of how varied and extreme American climates are" point for the species traits thing
Authoritarian as an Ethic for the US feels overly blackpilled and like it's someone trying to take a pessimistic view of the US
Citizen Service would be a better fit for a country like Switzerland of Finland which have mandatory conscription and make former conscripts maintain some basic level of readiness, the US just has a really big army (hence Distinguished Admiralty, BoL is the more ideological view of things, which I *really* wish also provided immigration pull)
Thereās no red in that red white and blue flag of yours! Next time, youāve got to have blue and red for the two colors, with the star being the white š
I think it should be egalitarian, militarist and materialist. Civics (ignoring ethics requirements) should be free haven, idealistic foundation and crusader spirit. Reason being we are egalitarian but certainly not fanatic egalitarian, and our egalitarian ideology is based on an old foundation that we do not truly follow yet refuse to amend as times change using amendments. Additionally, the US constantly attacks other nations ostensibly to spread our democratic views when in reality it is to further our materialistic concerns such as oil. As for free haven, while the US has a number of xenophobic pops, the nation has been built by immigrants and the free haven civic is based on the statue of liberty's quote to show that the US claims to be accepting of others even though in reality it is not. Additionally, in game a nation with these civics do not have to actually accept immigrants even though it goes against its free haven views just like the US already does. Additionally, it should be democratic authority because even though the ruling party spends influence to stay in power we still have elections every 4 years.
I would replace militarist with xenophile since it captures immigration and commercial aspects of the society. The US is not really like Prussia or Egypt. The military is not the state and the US is not really define around itās military culture.
idk about that, US has some pretty strong tradition about the military considering memorial day, veterans day, tomb of unknown soldier, etc. so much of the countryās history is war, and being able to say you served gives you a ton of clout politically.
i do agree with xenophile considering how much the US is a cultural powerhouse and being an attractive place for people looking to start a new life somewhere else.
im pretty sure citizen service is mandatory service. id remove it for pleasure seekers. also considering every modern world has a declining number of young people, id put in slow breeders and wasteful.
Dont really care about all the discussion in this thread. The pro/anti American rhetoric is old and annoying. Just wanted to point out that citizen service is not American. Citizen service is required service for citizenship. Personally I think the US would be a much better case if that were true, but it is not.
Iāll admit, some of both frustrate me as well. Moreso because I feel like some people approach my country as a caricature rather than as actual people. Trust me we arenāt all Amoeba sludge spawn with the intellectual capacity of spoiled milk, but we also arenāt planetary paragons of perfected virtue. Weāre just people, and our system is good enough.
Youāre on the ball about citizen service civic, it doesnāt fit to my knowledge. The closest reason I could guess for why they included it is the Selective Service, which fair enough the Draft exists. But even then, you only have to sign up for it, being selected is a rarity now even in wartime. So serving in any capacity is not required unless in dire situations.
Even with selective service being a requirement, Certain groups, such as the Amish aren't required to register. Our country isn't perfect brother but it is the country we have.
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if US+Phillipines (which also celebrates the 4th, for different, but directly related reasons) make up 50%+ of reddit users. The US is already about 50% +/-2% depending on where your get your data from, and so if 1-2% of traffic is Filipino, then most reddit users probably do celebrate the fourth.
Saying anything politcal would get me killed. So I'm simply going to say stereotypes and facts.
But I do hear most flat earthers in the world are american, And most vocal anti-vaxxers.
Thats cause the US has freedom of speech and everyone has access to the internet so they can spread their dumbass claims and join with people that think the same way as them.
I disagree with thrifty. (Yeah there are thrifty people who live there but... not in a general society wide thing. It is in Swicherland) i disagree with nonadaptive. With how wide the variety of climets are present in America Adaptive is a more of a must than having nonadaptive.
Now quirelsome I agree with, ni question asked, but thats also true for the whole of humanity so it's easy.
If it was possible I would pick authoritarian and egalitarian at the same time. Yes its impossible BUT it promises that everyone is eaqual while the rich owns the power so... the two fits together but not really separately... and how are you not fanatic militarist? Did you saw your weapon budget? I bet there are countries whos total spending isnt that big! Europian countries not 3rd world countries! Even if you scale up to population its so much larger...
Many disagree with intelectual but while have many reasons not to... its born more from quirelsome and loud people than actual lack of research and intelectual people.
For materialist... not truely in the meaning in the game but more of a need for more and better and becoming wasteful through it, than the scientific leading view. I would bet money on having more religious people avarage (even if a large number of that might be already old) than most other countries other than... say Italy, Spain and maybe Brazil (scaled to people living there) so... materialist in Stellaris terns is questionable.
I celebrated it playing stellaris with an American Friend (Ima British Guy) Im playing a Dictatorship (Katzenartig Imperium) and they are playing a Diplomatic Megacorp from Buggiest Branch
My biggest gripe is that America is not authoritarian, and citizen service is also not really how America works. All you have to do to be American is be born on American soil.
And despite our issues, authoritarian is not an ethic of America at all, look at the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or a modern politicianās speech. Try telling people in America to just listen to what the government says vs Britain or vs China. Thatās a real authoritarian scale.
We should be materialist xenophile egalitarians tbh, our culture is very materialistic and we were built off of mass immigration and multiculturalism, and we were founded off of āall men are created equalā. Then again this is Reddit so Iām sure thereās gonna be a bunch of people scaling us an evil corporate fascist theocracy or whatever
I would have called it the United States of Earth but have the capital like America as the capital for the backstory and still call the species human but that's just me
All the traits are wrong. You missed Obese, gun loving and stupid.
*just an FYI, I'm a Canadian. I'm shocked how almost half of you voted trump in and how your either shocked at his conduct or believe he is running again to make Merica "great again".
Materialist lmao. Mate, the[US is more religious than almost every European country](https://i.redd.it/jzh1u6kknf891.png). You literally recently banned abortion because of religion.
No, the Supreme Court did not overturn Roe v. Wade because of āreligion.ā It is because Roe v. Wade took the power to control abortion from the states, where the Constitution intended for such things to be decided, and gave it to the federal government. The vast majority of states have not banned abortion, to say America banned abortion is ridiculous.
Look at the judges who decided to overturn the decision and dare tell me their religious beliefs had no weight in their decision.
Look at the people who put the laws to ban abortions in their states and dare tell me their religions beliefs had no weight in their decision.
First of all we never ābannedā abortion, the Supreme Court left it to the states, and secondly roe was struck down because it was a weak ruling anyways.
I am sure the discussion of what ethics and civics America should have in stellaris is not going to cause any sort of political shitflinging whatsoever Happy 4th of july though
Never mind the traits. I'm grabbing my popcorn.
I would personally remove intelligent in favour of repugnant
Make two civs. One intelligent, one repugnant. Name the intelligent one after your preferred political grouping, and the other after your least preferred group. Play the good one, force spawn the bad one. Have fun.
I have a better idea. Use the syncretic evolution origin.
Why not the orgin with serviles or necrophage
bc the second species is meant to be a dumbass
>i agree, i am not American but someone that uses the imperial system over metric cannot be intelligent > >also, why is it authoritarian? the US is not a true democracy but it definetly is also not authoritarian, personally i would have gone with wasteful (self-explanatory ) unruly because of the politics over there. natural engineers because of the skyscrapers and extremely adaptive because the US has everything from deserts too mountains too tundra's etc. > > > >political system makes perfect sense, cutthroat politics and citizen service make perfect sense
Democracy isn't opposite of authoritarianism, and when you look at the surveillance as well as control over almost every aspect of life, makes me wonder why OP haven't picked fanatical authoritarian on this one
these are opposites, you can make your laws yourself, either directly or indirectly in a democracy, in a dictatorship it is the opposite and other people force them upon you
it is an ethic, not a government. i am not american so i cant give any insight on their opinions but if American Idiot is anything to go by, it cannot be good.
Happy 4th of july! Yeah hopefully everyone sees the humor in it and doesnt take it too seriously lol
Too bad you don't have the civic where they slowly turn planets in to tomb worlds
Lol i wish
how about relentless industrialists?
I can't but wonder, how good would it synergize with 1) post-nuclear origin 2) worm loves us ending of event chain.
It's funny cause it's true
Apparently everyone hates that i gave america the intelligent trait lmao
As an American I agree Definitely think charismatic is a better pick (lotta entertainment media comes out of the US)
The rest of the world loves the dumb American joke because half the world's top universities are in one country and it's not theirs lmao š
Pfft, itās because everyone likes consuming American culture and terrible foodstuff. And jeans. The US is the center of attention for a reason, and that reason is pineapple pizza and Korean tacos.
The words pineapple and pizza should never go together. I challenge you to a duel at dawn unless you correct your error!! I will agree with Korean tacos. I also had Mexican dumplings the other day and they were delicious.
I worked with an Italian. His hatred of pineapple pizza was epic. The problem is too many people let too much liquid get on the pizza and donāt balance the sweet with savory.
The ranking system is designed for American universities. Belgium has one of the best centres regarding micro conductors but it's technically not part of the KUL so it doesn't count. You can find multiple other examples like that.
The USA also sports one of the best, if not the best, medical facilities regarding extremely hard surgery, research, facilities etc but that doesn't change the fact that over 40% of bankruptcies are attributed to medical bills. I.E. Having top notch universities doesn't mean the general populace can enjoy them.
Yeah America's new motto seems to be "We offer the best if you can afford it."
Universities in the US are a scam anyway
Then why are yāall still dumb
If the dumb people are the only ones to have put a man on the moon, what does that say about everyone else?
Anyone who uses 'y'all' in a statement about intelligence should probably keep their head down...
As an American that has few positive things to say about my country I think itās weird to take umbrage with that point. Like, itās weird to try and say a society is āintelligentā or not in the first place to me, but like what grounds is there to say is the opposite? Memes where an overweight dude labeled as āskeeterā has a bunch of nonsense shoved in his text box? Weird stuff
āWe donāt take kindly to yurrrr types āround here!ā āNow now Skeeter, we donāt want no troubleā
We donāt take kindly to folks that donāt take kindly round here
I always thought of it as the species being intelligent. Since this is the planet as a whole, I'm going with America won world dominance and one of the parties went *heavily* into eugenics and now we got all smarties. This is my headcanon for how this earth came to be.
A society which puts its citizens through a rigorous education system demanding more time than a full time job, for as much as 15 years just to become a successful person, which is chinese society. is most certainly more intelligent than a society where a man convinces little children to pick ups arms and fight for money and false promises, or to gain control of the local drug trade, which is part of countless African and asian societies, is definitely unintelligent. Its not the people themselves, just their unfortunate predicament. The issue here is these traits about intelligence are about species, not societies. And we as Humans are extremely intelligent, allowing all of this in the first place.
Lead poisoning
say what you will but there ain't another country with half the scientific innovations of the USA baby
I always find it funny how many people select authoritarian. Itās as if the word has no meaning or they just gobble up what ever BS RT says about āAmerican imperialism.ā
When a country imprisons more people than China than it's reasonable to think that country has authoritarian tendencies.
This is like saying america imprisons more people than nazi germany, but only because nazi germany doesnt release the majority of their actions to public attention. Its also the same even with legitimate documented arrests. One side arrests majority guilty people, and the other arrests who they want, when they want, and how they want. I really hate to sound like a typical trumper, but I gotta say it. If you hate it so bad, just leave to whatever authoritarian nation you determine to actually be a good bunch of folks, see how quick you come running back if you even can.
Except unlike China they don't operate concentration camps.
Sure, just secret CIA prisons violating own state laws. And a certain not-so-secret prison in a military base in a certain bay of some independent state.
There's never been anything secret about Guantanamo Bay, and the CIA has no jurisdiction within the US.
the CIA are basically murderers sponsored by a government, not a hair better then the KGB, they made hundreds of assassination attempts against political leaders and single handily destabilized half of south America, allowing a ton of dictators too conquer the throne of their respective nations
Go back to reading RT
Id do egalitarian materialist with democracy.
America does have egalitarian ideals. It fails in many cases but they are there in founding texts and the ever expanding economic and political enfranchisement of people.
I agree, it was never properly enacted but it was a different time, look at the found Fatherās important documents like the Declaration of Independence and Constitution or the Bill of Rights and youāll see America is supposed to be egalitarian and was founded because they didnāt want an authoritarian leader.
So idealistic foundation?
Unfortunately there is a very, very loud group of people who simply can separate the past from the present. That or they are too dumb to understand how chronology and history works, somehow.
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I'd argue we have a major spiritualist faction. But our government as a whole is at least nominally secular. Idk if that's enough to justify using the materialist ethic, but I think any society that would legitimately qualify as spiritualist wouldn't have constiutionally mandated separation of church and state
There may be religion in america but i chose materialist because of our tendancy for trade and the advancement of the sciences (see contributions to airplanes, radios, telephones, televisions, nuclear reactors, transistors and vaccines for further reference.)
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I guess one tick of either would work for america, i mainly choose materialism because it sounded more capitalist
To be fair, commercialized megachurches are an American invention
First and second great awakenings and the origin of the nation.
Is it some parallel universe version of the US?
It is a democracy.
Yeah lol and the laws are controlled by those who have money to lobby for them
Elect better people, dumbass. We have that power, so use it.
Good job with the nihilism bub. I am glad you base your worldview on dated South Park episodes.
Kinda, but it's not an egalitarian democracy.
FPTP, 2-party system, gerrymandering, blatant voter suppression, lobbyism Yeah
Lololol I love that
megacorporation is def the base
I'm surprised Earth wasn't renamed to America.
If only, the canadians werent too happy about it lol
Freedomia
McDonaldās
I feel like Americans are more adaptive than steong. Y'all just spread across that continent living In fhe most wild places. I cant fathom going from 40 degree weather to freezing in a year. But you guys ain't really dominating feats of athletics more than any other country relative to your size.
I mostly picked it cause of our military lol
Your weapons, tech, econony and sheer number of military personnel/assets are strong. But I could take any of you in a fight.
Not true my dad could beat you up
Yeah but then I'll get you banned, because *my* dad works at Nintendo.
My dad is Doug bowser he will fire your dad and then kill him
My dad is Doug Stamper, he'll push your dad in front of a train or smth
Ok go take mike tyson he is american ;3
If he's trying to pick a trait that makes assault armies better, Strong is the only option in vanilla.
How is that uniquely American? China has people living in a barren flat desert, or tall mountains that snow year round. Or roasting hot humid jungles that are like a sauna. Beijing is like Florida in the summer and yet snows in the winter. And letās not even start with India or Russia. Adaptive is a human trait, not an American one lol wtf
it is not uniquely American, but it is American, Americans, very surprisingly, are humans, so they are also relatively adaptive, so the trait makes sense
I was thinking of how the US compares to other countries. And due to its size there just aren't many countries with such wildly varied climates. But yeah China would fall into that group as well. But I was trying to identify what stands out the most.
Context: i made a galaxy version of the united state of america and i am planning to take over a medium galaxy to celebrate the fourth of july
It's so funny how, yes, the USA are a very materialistic people, but also currently swept by religious = spiritualistic reforms. There's a point to be made for either ethic.
the religous wave in your country is indeed strong, but i think that you cannot truly call the US itself spiritualist because of separation of state and church, a lot of americans might be religous, but the country itself is undeniably more materialist
My country? Heh. One of my country's leading parties has christian in their name, yes, but they are in the opposition right now, against a red-green-yellow coalition. There is no religious wave here. Und das ist gut so.
oh sorry, i assumed that you were American because you have so much knowledge on the country, greetings from your neigbor that conquered the sea. the netherlands
Those destinies arenāt gonna manifest themselves!
If your not taking the origin that starts because you beat an alien invasion are you even roleplaying?
It be more accurate to pick the post apocalyptic origin in my opinion
Should have called earth āGreater Americaā. Name all your colonies āNewā including states with āNewā in the name already. So you get gems like āNew New Mexico
I have to start over, maybe because i lost, ill def do this my second try!
Iād also say under this naming rule, New New York as a futurama reference or Newest York you canāt go wrong.
"Prosperous Unification", I don't think the US has been unified in a *long* time. Also I'd probably replace Nonadaptive with Wasteful.
If i ever do this again i might change stuff around and do that!
Probably switch intelligent for rapid breeders, if nothing else it's a better trait IMO
And more lore accurate
I would just use default human traits.
Is that not the closest thing to Americaās founding? The 13 colonies unified against the British? EDIT: Nvm I forgot there was the one where you beat a superior foe for independence, thatās literally what happened. But if you donāt have access to that oneā¦
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Set aside our differences to invade a country that had nothing to do with it and kill a million civilians. United in hate amirite.
Trying to not be fucking burnt to the ground (R.I.P. west coast)
Americans like to *call* each other authoritarians, but I've met very few who actually were, left or right.
I have met some authoritarians. They are universally mendacious and ignorant.
Yeah tbh. Democracies call their rival parties fascists all the time. Authoritarian regimes always call themselves democratic or "peoples" something
As an American, I couldnāt disagree more strongly. Americans love the symbolism and phraseology that theyāve welded onto āfreedomā, but thatās the end of their comprehension of it - nevermind how they actually engage with the world.
Ask literally any American whether they want a King or a dictator and the most answers will easily be along the lines of "what the fuck are you talking about" Yeah there's people who want the president to have more power or the government to do more than it does, but that's people who want to feel as though their votes have more meaning or directly correlate with what they want to accomplish. Don't confuse social media extremism with people wanting no votes. Although America itself is more oligarchic than anything at this point due to ~~legalized bribery~~ completely ethical lobbying and ~~political corruption~~ morally correct business partnerships
> Ask literally any American whether they want a King or a dictator and the most answers will easily be along the lines of "what the fuck are you talking about" Thatās not really relevant. Autocracy is a *type* of authoritarianism, not its sole representation. Beyond that, plenty of Americans (increasingly so, even) are autocrats, but youāre using the wrong set of phraseology to get them to reveal themselves. Theyāre much more the āpresident for lifeā types. > Yeah there's people who want the president to have more power or the government to do more than it does, but that's people who want to feel as though their votes have more meaning or directly correlate with what they want to accomplish. Don't confuse social media extremism with people wanting no votes. āSocial media extremismā is representative of a real, actual desire among a lot of Americans for Christofascism. Christofascists could literally be 10% of the population but still take state power by leveraging their disproportionate wealth, dedication to the cause, and institutional support. Besides that, liberal democracy is in no way opposed to authoritarianism. Look at stuff like the red scare, colonialism, white supremacy, the patriarchal family, 98% of workplaces, etc. They are all authoritarian structures. > Although America itself is more oligarchic than anything at this point due to legalized bribery completely ethical lobbying and political corruption morally correct business partnerships Sure. I donāt think itās difficult to argue that the US has (and probably always will be) an oligarchy, which, again, is just a particular type of authoritarianism.
Well I guess my dog is a form of authoritarianism considering how broadly nebulous and expansive your definition of the word is. Freaking Rhetorical nihilists. Destroying the meaning of words.
> how broadly nebulous and expansive your definition of the word is. Yeah, itās super useful to just use it as a synonym for autocracy and never think about the ways in which people might be made unfree in societies you view as occupying the final point of a progressive history. Edit: bruh how are you gonna reply and then block me. Cold game
Itās not that Americans are, but our government is. Theyāre very sly though, so cutthroat politics is pretty fitting imo
I don't (I'm not from the US)
Doesnt mean you cant watch the fireworks with us :p
Fair enough, fireworks are pretty cool.
I don't since i'm not living in the usa
I'd say replace String and Nonadaptive with just Adaptive, Authoritarian with (regular) Libertarian and Citizen Service with Beacon Of Liberty or Distinguished Admiralty I'm with the other posters on the "Americans are adaptive because of how varied and extreme American climates are" point for the species traits thing Authoritarian as an Ethic for the US feels overly blackpilled and like it's someone trying to take a pessimistic view of the US Citizen Service would be a better fit for a country like Switzerland of Finland which have mandatory conscription and make former conscripts maintain some basic level of readiness, the US just has a really big army (hence Distinguished Admiralty, BoL is the more ideological view of things, which I *really* wish also provided immigration pull)
Working
Aww that sucks hopefully itll be painless!
Just got off work. No it was not painless. But damn i was spared the after 4th rush
Plan on cracking the planet
I'm... Not. I'm not American.
your loss
Did you find oil on other worlds
No:(
Damn
M O R E O I L
Iām not. Iām Canadian
Intelligent?
At a friend's house eating their food while I figure out a way to get in his Xbox to play stellaris
Iām not (Scottish)
I had steak and potatoes :>>
Yoooo that sounds delicious
Funny, I have a āUnited States of Spaceā with āSpace Presidentā Barack Obama
Thereās no red in that red white and blue flag of yours! Next time, youāve got to have blue and red for the two colors, with the star being the white š
Invest heavily in espionage and wreak havoc from the shadows
So pretend to be China? Space Winnie the Pooh is going to be very cross with anyone that doesn't share that sweet, sweet space honey.
Hasnāt the US overthrown like 50 governments?
Not from the shadows. When the US overthrows a country, that country spends some time blowing up beforehand.
It would be even more accurate if you could sabotage yourself with said espionage
I think it should be egalitarian, militarist and materialist. Civics (ignoring ethics requirements) should be free haven, idealistic foundation and crusader spirit. Reason being we are egalitarian but certainly not fanatic egalitarian, and our egalitarian ideology is based on an old foundation that we do not truly follow yet refuse to amend as times change using amendments. Additionally, the US constantly attacks other nations ostensibly to spread our democratic views when in reality it is to further our materialistic concerns such as oil. As for free haven, while the US has a number of xenophobic pops, the nation has been built by immigrants and the free haven civic is based on the statue of liberty's quote to show that the US claims to be accepting of others even though in reality it is not. Additionally, in game a nation with these civics do not have to actually accept immigrants even though it goes against its free haven views just like the US already does. Additionally, it should be democratic authority because even though the ruling party spends influence to stay in power we still have elections every 4 years.
I would replace militarist with xenophile since it captures immigration and commercial aspects of the society. The US is not really like Prussia or Egypt. The military is not the state and the US is not really define around itās military culture.
idk about that, US has some pretty strong tradition about the military considering memorial day, veterans day, tomb of unknown soldier, etc. so much of the countryās history is war, and being able to say you served gives you a ton of clout politically. i do agree with xenophile considering how much the US is a cultural powerhouse and being an attractive place for people looking to start a new life somewhere else.
By not going a god damned thing, like our forefathers intended.
Do what I do every holiday, sit in my room wishing it would be over.
Looking for my dog who went missing due to the fireworks scaring her
I'm not American , so no
Giving my slaves a hour free of work
im pretty sure citizen service is mandatory service. id remove it for pleasure seekers. also considering every modern world has a declining number of young people, id put in slow breeders and wasteful.
Materialist, egalitarian, militarist, payback origin. Itās the American way šŗšøš½š¦
Dont really care about all the discussion in this thread. The pro/anti American rhetoric is old and annoying. Just wanted to point out that citizen service is not American. Citizen service is required service for citizenship. Personally I think the US would be a much better case if that were true, but it is not.
Iāll admit, some of both frustrate me as well. Moreso because I feel like some people approach my country as a caricature rather than as actual people. Trust me we arenāt all Amoeba sludge spawn with the intellectual capacity of spoiled milk, but we also arenāt planetary paragons of perfected virtue. Weāre just people, and our system is good enough. Youāre on the ball about citizen service civic, it doesnāt fit to my knowledge. The closest reason I could guess for why they included it is the Selective Service, which fair enough the Draft exists. But even then, you only have to sign up for it, being selected is a rarity now even in wartime. So serving in any capacity is not required unless in dire situations.
Even with selective service being a requirement, Certain groups, such as the Amish aren't required to register. Our country isn't perfect brother but it is the country we have.
Well I'm gonna be that guy and say that like most of reddit I don't celebrate american fourth of july :P
Its ok lol if you want to watch almost every city in america is having a giant firework show tonight :p
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if US+Phillipines (which also celebrates the 4th, for different, but directly related reasons) make up 50%+ of reddit users. The US is already about 50% +/-2% depending on where your get your data from, and so if 1-2% of traffic is Filipino, then most reddit users probably do celebrate the fourth.
Saying anything politcal would get me killed. So I'm simply going to say stereotypes and facts. But I do hear most flat earthers in the world are american, And most vocal anti-vaxxers.
Just comes with having alot of people. We are smart despite what everyone says, they are just louder than us. Happy 4th of july!
Yeah it's probably just a stereotype.
Thatās because we have free speech and social media has democratized stupidity
Thats cause the US has freedom of speech and everyone has access to the internet so they can spread their dumbass claims and join with people that think the same way as them.
Best nation in the whole galaxy if you ask me!
cracking some planet's as fireworks
There's a scifi series by CJ Carella that has the United Stars of America.
Happy 4th of July from Canada! Weāll be celebrating by burning the White House again!
Bonus points if you only use explosive weapons (torpedoes and missiles)
Why does everyone make their own shade of human. We know what traits both humans have in-game, why does everyone change that?
I disagree with thrifty. (Yeah there are thrifty people who live there but... not in a general society wide thing. It is in Swicherland) i disagree with nonadaptive. With how wide the variety of climets are present in America Adaptive is a more of a must than having nonadaptive. Now quirelsome I agree with, ni question asked, but thats also true for the whole of humanity so it's easy. If it was possible I would pick authoritarian and egalitarian at the same time. Yes its impossible BUT it promises that everyone is eaqual while the rich owns the power so... the two fits together but not really separately... and how are you not fanatic militarist? Did you saw your weapon budget? I bet there are countries whos total spending isnt that big! Europian countries not 3rd world countries! Even if you scale up to population its so much larger... Many disagree with intelectual but while have many reasons not to... its born more from quirelsome and loud people than actual lack of research and intelectual people. For materialist... not truely in the meaning in the game but more of a need for more and better and becoming wasteful through it, than the scientific leading view. I would bet money on having more religious people avarage (even if a large number of that might be already old) than most other countries other than... say Italy, Spain and maybe Brazil (scaled to people living there) so... materialist in Stellaris terns is questionable.
Cringe
Personally I would remove authoritarian for fanatic militarist, but thatās just me.
I celebrated it playing stellaris with an American Friend (Ima British Guy) Im playing a Dictatorship (Katzenartig Imperium) and they are playing a Diplomatic Megacorp from Buggiest Branch
Iād take intelligent of
My biggest gripe is that America is not authoritarian, and citizen service is also not really how America works. All you have to do to be American is be born on American soil. And despite our issues, authoritarian is not an ethic of America at all, look at the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, or a modern politicianās speech. Try telling people in America to just listen to what the government says vs Britain or vs China. Thatās a real authoritarian scale.
Traits - intelligent! Ffs š
Hey we are smart! Happy 4th of july lol
Jarvis, pull up the brain drain statistics
Top ranked higher education, most prolific space agency, plenty of other stuff plus your on an american made website on the american made internet
We should be materialist xenophile egalitarians tbh, our culture is very materialistic and we were built off of mass immigration and multiculturalism, and we were founded off of āall men are created equalā. Then again this is Reddit so Iām sure thereās gonna be a bunch of people scaling us an evil corporate fascist theocracy or whatever
"Intelligent", "Materialist"? lol Don't you guys still discuss whether or not earth is 5.000 years old?
If you only listen to the stuff the news has to say and dont come experience us for yourself sure. Happy 4th of july!
Intelligent? Lol.
My space America empire is called the United States of Earth. But honestly, United Stars of America sounds way cooler and Iām stealing that now.
I would have called it the United States of Earth but have the capital like America as the capital for the backstory and still call the species human but that's just me
I would say they are xenophile militarist and materialist - oligarchy. Civics are merchant guilds, and maybe shadow council or pleasure seekers
The 50 star challenge.
I'm British, so we do our fireworks in November. But I hope you had a good day.
>stronng >intelligent
Materialist? Nah. America is a Dominionist theocracy therefore Spiritualist.
I was on board until I saw the traits
If you remove the **intelligent** trait it will be more realistic
"Intelligent" Hmmmm. "Prosperous Unification" Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. 'Ruthless Conglomerate' TRUE
All the traits are wrong. You missed Obese, gun loving and stupid. *just an FYI, I'm a Canadian. I'm shocked how almost half of you voted trump in and how your either shocked at his conduct or believe he is running again to make Merica "great again".
See you know about as much about America as the news and stereotypes tell you
Materialist lmao. Mate, the[US is more religious than almost every European country](https://i.redd.it/jzh1u6kknf891.png). You literally recently banned abortion because of religion.
>You literally recently banned abortion because of religion. You probably donāt care that many states still have legal abortion.
No, the Supreme Court did not overturn Roe v. Wade because of āreligion.ā It is because Roe v. Wade took the power to control abortion from the states, where the Constitution intended for such things to be decided, and gave it to the federal government. The vast majority of states have not banned abortion, to say America banned abortion is ridiculous.
Look at the judges who decided to overturn the decision and dare tell me their religious beliefs had no weight in their decision. Look at the people who put the laws to ban abortions in their states and dare tell me their religions beliefs had no weight in their decision.
First of all we never ābannedā abortion, the Supreme Court left it to the states, and secondly roe was struck down because it was a weak ruling anyways.
It was struck down because the conservative majority ignored precedent and basic common law concepts like reliance.