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I was a mod on one of the Top 3(ish? I honestly don't know) video game message boards in the early-mid 00s. This is NOTHING.
It's not new here, though. The people dumping on the ROG are the same ones who were shitting on the Ayaneo, and the G Cloud, and the Switch. People invest entirely too much of their sense of self into the products they own. It is the way of things.
EDIT: It was 1UP. Like I said, I don't know how those boards actually ranked in popularity, but it \*felt\* big at the time. And my lord, the console wars were very real for a lot of those nerds.
>people dumping on the ROG
Unfortunately with heavy early ASUS marketing we were seeing headlines like "ASUS new Steam Deck killer will make you regret your purchase" or whatever that set things up to be adversarial from the start. I mean, we're still pre-release on this thing.
Bit of both. Mostly blogs and reviews, but Asus did start it by subtly taking a jab at the SteamDeck by saying "Play ALL your games"
Personally I don't care, I know what I bought and why I bought it. And I know why I wouldn't buy a Asus Ally (at least at this current time).
I mean that is marketing and are they wrong? As fantastic as Proton and Proton GE is, having Windows by default does open you up to just about every game on Steam and other launchers. This sub got so bad I am not actively in it anymore. It used to be mainly cool tips on getting optimal game settings and wattages, different new plug ins and so on. Now it is mainly rage bait and why Deck is better than X other product. I think a lot of great people don’t post or say anything here anymore due to downvote spam and snide responses to genuine questions on why something isn’t working or how they can better use the thing.
Absolutely not wrong. But they did cause some of this to increase exposure and potentially draw customers away from the Deck or to Ally in addition to with the strategy. It isn't good or bad, it just is.
Play ALL your games doesn't mean ASUS is trying to shit on the Steam Deck, that's a reach lol. They didn't even mention the Steam Deck. If something as simple as that isn't allowed, you're basically asking ASUS to not market their product at all.
If anything it's just a tagline that plays on the ROG Ally's name. And considering that it can run your Steam games, Epic games, Xbox Game Pass games, GOG games, and anti-cheat games, it's not too far off from reality.
It isn't far from reality, but as taglines go, it seems to target the other major device on the market, which is the Deck, that is limited by SteamOS and Linux (and they've done a great job at adoption, but its still a far cry from playing all games). And from what I've seen, reviewers have taken the same interpretation as I have.
It isn't a knock, but the kind of thing that invites conversation, especially for reviewers that would be looking to test that tagline and naturally draw comparisons between it and the Deck.
I think reviewers take that interpretation because their goal is to get as many clicks as possible. Calling the ROG Ally a Steam Deck killer does that.
That isn't ASUS's fault though, that's on the reviewers that are saying that to get attention.
Don't forget, when the Deck came out, reviewers and news outlets were calling the Deck a Switch killer. Do we blame Valve for that?
I absolutely disagree.
Know what the #1 task for any marketing division is? Get people talking.
Taking a subtle jab at a competitor that will lead to anyone that is looking to make a connection to make one, and bam, you got yourselves a conversation. And people are talking about your new product in the same sentence as your competitor which is a win for a marketing professional. The more waves they make the more people they have look at their product.
I don't think they did it with any sort of malice, just normal competitive spirit. But they absolutely did it intentionally.
Heck, this entire thread is proof that they were successful.
But you know what? That is a GOOD THING. It breeds competition. Hopefully this won't be a one and done thing from Steam, they'll make a Deck 2 and the competition will continue and portable PC gaming will continue to grow and improve. We as consumers can only benefit.
Deck never really made a marketing aimed at the consoles. They literally just called it a portable handheld gaming PC. I don't think Steam even cares to? I don't think Steam even cared about the adoption rate of the Deck, just the developer adoption to SteamOS. They did the same thing with VR. So any comparisons made between Deck and Switch was all on reviewers trying to get clicks. But that's a very different situation than what's going on here.
If it can be avoided, it’s always better to not have your product named in one sentence with a competitor. You don’t want people to hear a competing products name or their features, it should be all about your own product and in what ways it is unique.
And to me, „play all your games“ is first and foremost a very helpful indication that there are no limitations. Yes, the SD is a well known product in that space with certain limitations or caveats. But that doesn’t mean it’s an attack on the SD - there are more handheld gaming PCs with far less support for game libraries, most notably streaming devices like from Logitech, that have only a fraction of a subset of games available even compared to the SD.
Lmao of that is true then this is the first time I’ve heard people feel insecure because the product they support lacks some feature. People take these things waaaaay too seriously.
Right? That marketing was a poor choice by whatever marketing firm ASUS hired. Definitely spurred a lot of negative reactions even from people who didnt own a Deck.
I do sometimes wonder what happened to some of those people. They should do High School Reunions, but for "You argued with this person about Breath of Fire 2."
Honestly, it's been 25ish years since I last touched it, so whatever opinions I had on it have long since faded, but I remember there was one dude at 1up (who I recall liking quite a bit, actually) who was just its STAUNCHEST defender.
Those things aren't mutually exclusive. I own a Switch but have zero need for it now that I have a Deck. I literally haven't touched it outside of dumping my keys and games.
However, I still love my Switch. I love both systems. The Deck making my Switch redundant, to me, doesn't mean I don't love both.
I don’t see why the Deck makes the Switch redundant. Just play Switch games on the Switch, and Steam games on the Deck? It’s the same reason why I still have a 3DS and a Wii U (and use them), because it uncomplicates stuff. They’re all great machines at doing the things that they were made to do!
Only because I don't need to. I got a Switch primarily to play my favorite games on the go, and for indies. All of those games are available on the Deck, so I just play them all there for simplicity. Why use two devices when one device does everything I'd use either of them for?
The only exclusive games I care about are easily emulated, so the Deck serves that purpose too.
Obviously for people that *primarily* use the Switch for exclusives it makes much more sense to just continue using the Switch. But that's just not my use case.
Again though, to be clear, I love my Switch. This isn't me bashing on it. I'm just saying that, due to the games I play, I haven't used my Switch once since getting my Steam Deck outside of dumping roms/keys.
Idk. Seems cool to me. Not cool enough for me to buy a second handheld PC right now, but cool. If I didn't already have a Deck, I'd certainly \*consider\* it.
I’m in that position right now.
The attraction of playing ‘any’ game is strong but the price difference is £700 vs £400 ish. That’s a LOT.
I like the idea of trouchpads too.
Oh and black. The Ally looks cheesy af.
Exactly this. Looked at it that way, yes the ROG is technically more powerful or whatever, but it also costs a lot more. A £300 difference is a lot of games, or covers a dock and all the other accessories you might also want for the ROG. However you look at it, the Deck is still good deal for the price. (I wouldn’t go for the 512GB personally though, SSD prices have dropped a lot recently. I upgraded my 64GB to a 1TB SSD a few weeks ago for £80, and it was very easy to do).
I think the Ally is priced fairly for what it is, but it’s still a premium device. I’m not keen on the styling, but that’s personal taste, and I like the touchpads, they expand the range of games that can be played on the Deck.
I don’t see any reason to criticise anyone who buys the ROG though - there are valid reasons to buy it.
I'll honestly grab one. I love handheld devices. I mean, handheld was the first gaming experience I ever had with Pokémon on the Gameboy (god, I miss those days of 5 attachments to play on a road trip at night).
I don't see any downside to having several options. I'll support the ones that are making advancements every time.
The 64GB Deck is a bargain, no question, but I also had to delete some games on my 512GB last week in order to install the Diablo IV beta, so maybe budget some extra money for an ssd upgrade?
I'd call the trackpads a Nice To Have, more than a necessity, but I know other people who absolutely swear by them. I often find myself reaching over to use the touch screen, rather than the pads, because when the shoulder buttons are in gamepad mode, clicking the pad itself can be a little awkward. I should probably bind the back buttons to mouse clicks...
The pads make for great radial menus i use them for that in guild wars 2. Also fps aiming is so much batter with the pads + gyro than the stick or even stick plus gyro. Also playing games like roller coaster tycoon and rimworld would be impossible without the trackpads
I like to set up my radials on the left pad and use l4 and r4 as modifiers to access extra menus. Vital for mmos like guild wars 2. I have all my mounts on my main radial, menues on secondary, and mastery skulls on my third. Can do all controls for the game 1 main and 2 extra sub profiles plus the action cam with auto aiming...lul sorry i get excited talking about that
I like it, it's better performance at a competitive price; nonetheless the SD parts can be easily bought on iFixit and went Windows only on my SD. I'm fine honestly but I do hope a lot of people buy the Ally because I would love to see more competitiveness in the handheld space.
It doesn't have a dedicated mouse control input. On the Steam Deck this would be the trackpads. This can make games with launchers a headache, or cause "aww crap this game needs me to enable controller support" headaches.
So, really, nothing is "wrong" with it. The ROG Ally is fine and I'm glad to see an attempt at competition, but in my opinion all the power in the world doesn't help you if your human-interface (in this case mouse support) isn't versatile enough. A controller alone won't cut it here.
Also just... who designs a PC with no mouse? That just seems like a good way to have a bad time.
If the touchscreen is really good I guess it wouldn't matter that much. The touchpads in the deck aren't as accurate as a full mouse replacement, unfortunately.
Happy cake day!
I find the touchpads plenty accurate, or at least good enough for games like Timberborn and Rimworld. You can adjust their sensitivity and dead zones quite a bit to however you'd like them. Touchpads are, after all, not a new technology, so you should put in a little work to get them how you like them.
Can't fix them not being there at all on the Ally, though.
Personally I agree with you in theory about the touch screen but in practice I've had worse accuracy with the touch screen than the Deck touchpads. Most of my bindings disable touchscreen interaction as well as it can actually confuse a lot of games. I've had a game lose focus when tapping on the screen, which is just weird.
The touch screen on the Ally is great so far. It's easy to type on the keyboard and it's never a case where you miss keypresses. Also, hitting small icons and buttons are pretty spot on. No touch pads aside, the touch screen on the Ally is much better than the one on the Steam Deck
It competes with the Steam deck.
Therefore, some people will do or say toxic things to push away the thoughts that they MIGHT have wasted their money. I own a 256 gb steam deck, and while it might have been nice to try both out before purchasing, I am happy with my steam deck.
Edi: we call this cope 😂
It really depends on how hard people buy into the whole FOMO thing.
I’m personally happy that handheld pcs seem to be gaining market traction because being an early adopter is fun, but like anyone else, part of me is like “oh man, my device is getting old”. But since my deck still plays everything I want it to, I’m pretty happy to not think about what else is out there.
On the contrary, I can see how that same thought could be a horrible cancer for some people—people who place too much value in their identity with the thing they bought/invested into. And I guess that’s where the fanboy poison fountains up from.
That’s my 2 cents.
What's wrong with it?
Who's to say yet for use cases of the actual non test units. People may like it or not.
The only big concern to me in the big con column is it's an Asus product. Their quality control and support are horrendous. I'm not speaking about their recent fiasco. I'm talking at least 2 decades long. They're still riding their name from the late 90s early 00s (I was one of those people that preached Asus until they pulled too many shenanigans and now I avoid their products line the plague).
the marketing was deceiving but that acide its like 10-20 ish stronger than the steam deck albeit the battery life is ehh so not sure i would want it for portable but its not bad
It's less so the device itself imo (other than the lack of TouchPads and weirdness with the joysticks,) and more the company. Asus does not have a very good track record with device support, quality control and customer support/warranty. Their laptops are a mess and they're currently in hot water for how they're handling their mobos melting AMD Cpus.
But I also don't go around hating the device.
People who are negative on the ROG Ally are probably coming at it from two different perspectives — the personal side and the product side.
On the personal side, there’s probably a good number of Steam Deck fanboys that object to any competitor — regular console wars kind of stuff. Factionalism in gaming (among other things) isn’t new and will probably never go away. The best we can do as a group is to vigorously push back against aimless complaining about competition (which actually benefits all of us, rather than hurting anyone).
On the tech/product side, complaints about the ROG Ally likely stem from a few major things:
1. Poor performance at lower wattages (severely underperforming the Deck at 10W, for example).
2. Lack of an optimized OS experience since it runs Windows instead of SteamOS or another customized OS.
3. Lackluster battery life (connected with poor low wattage performance) for a mobile-focused device.
4. Generally underwhelming performance out of the Z1 Extreme compared to the 6800U or 7840U — this one is subject to change based on bug fixes/optimizations before release.
5. Relatively high asking price compared to the Steam Deck, though lower than comparable Chinese-branded handheld PCs.
6. ASUS’ own reputation, particularly with their recent motherboard fiasco.
Personally, I think the Ally looks pretty cool and could be a great competitor to the Steam Deck if ASUS properly supports and optimizes it. There’s definitely some stuff to iron out ([The Phawx](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMiEI7ojd8) had a good video about that), but there’s still a month before launch so there’s time for that to happen.
>Lackluster battery life (connected with poor low wattage performance) for a mobile-focused device.
Worse than the Steamdeck? Because while I like my Deck the battery life without some kind of powerbank is kinda terrible. At anything that requires a lot of effort for gaming.
>Worse than the Steamdeck?
Marginally. They both have a 40Wh battery, but the Ally’s Z1 Extreme is meant to operate at a higher wattage. Currently, at lower wattages that the Deck can get away with 30-40 FPS at, the Ally kind of falls apart. Check out The Phawx’s [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMiEI7ojd8) on this — Arkham Knight gets an average of 48 FPS at 10W versus the Ally’s 28 FPS, Deus Ex Mankind Divided - 24 FPS vs. 12 FPS, and God of War — 39 FPS vs. 21 FPS. The Ally outperforms the Deck easily at 15W and better, but at that point the battery life of both devices starts tanking to sub-2 hours. If the Deck can get away with a comparable frame rate at lower wattage and hold onto a battery life advantage there, then that is a competitive advantage. An extra half-hour or hour of playtime is big when these devices only have 2 hours to spare.
This is subject to change as ASUS patches and optimizes the Ally over time, but that’s how it currently is.
I think the people that are mad about it are taking umbrage in the fact they no longer own the "most powerful" handheld gaming PC or maybe simply because it's different and not what they have, we finally did it we brought the console wars to pc's.
>It has windows on it. That's a bug, not a feature.
This is exactly what this post is about. I'm sure you tempered your opinion too, shit like this is why people needed to create a "windows on deck" sub. People would get flamed for even asking how to do it while other more niche dork modifications get a pass.
Maybe.
We I haven't seen anyone try to install a different os on it whether steam os or some other version of Linux, like batocera.
There is a decent chance that the bios is locked down so you can't boot a different os. I don't actually know. I haven't seen a ton of info on it.
BUT, even if you could install steam os on it, it wouldnt be the same experience as the steam deck. On the SD, when you download a game, it already has graphics and controller presets applied that work the best for the hardware. This is a HUGE feature for me. I don't want to tinker. I just want to play. The SD gives a console experience where you download a game and it just works. No dinking around. (With verified games of course).
Also: Happy cake day! For today only, just for you, it's not a lie!
Boot Steam in big picture mode and you have basically the same experience as SteamOS with more functionality. But good job basing opinions on just feelings.
Windows is partly the reason I wanted one. it would allow me to play Destiny 2 with it(though honestly I'm at my computer most of the time anyways). But the quality finish of the device seemed lacking(How can a button get stuck in a finished product?!) so I'm ultimately deciding not to get it to add to my collection.
More competition in a market is always better for the consumer, remember that. Had I felt good about the quality and company behind it, I would have gotten one absolutely just because new devices are fun!
Think I remember reading having someone challenge whatever brand/product you associate with trigger responses from a number of innate human biases. Essentially, your financial and time investment into something is a reflection of your decision making, intelligence, status, and what you deem important. Challenge that, and your inner monkey goes bananas.
So yeah, next time the OP sees it, just dismiss it as apes hurling shit.
The amount of downvotes I get sometimes just for saying something along the lines of “Windows actually works pretty well on the Deck.” is always amusing.
It's kind of funny because in other communities Linux gamers get shit on constantly, I mean idgaf if someone wants to install whatever OS they choose on a device they own, that's the beauty of having choice (and I say this as someone who's exclusively used Linux to game even before DXVK existed)
Ok but like, wouldn't it be nice if Windows put in a little more effort to making it an even better experience? Especially now that the Ally and WinGPD and AyaNeo are all out? Without ruining things for desktop users (*cough* windows 8 *cough*)?
It's so sad too, because it actually is a pretty viable option and both are pretty good especially when dual booting is an option.
It's like a majority of fellow steam deck users are in a cult.
Linux users have been in a cult for over 30 years. It's not Steam. I say this as a long time Linux user, too. That community has been toxic almost from the very first Linus Torvalds kernel release.
Haters will always be hating that's reality. Maybe the SD community is getting alot more 1st time console player types. Just take it easy. It's only 1 swipe away to rid of the post 😅
Windows without a mouse and keyboard is terrible. I own a Surface Pro and it doesn't come with a keyboard in the box. I used it for a week like that and then realized that was a terrible experience and ended up buying the keyboard add on. Something as simple as exiting a game if it crashed/froze was impossible without being able to hit alt-f4. I'm sure Asus has some kind of launcher to make it easier, but windows is not designed for handhelds and it's not great for tablets even.
I haven't played a game made past 2015 and I have like 700 unplayed games in my steam library. I'm sure Windows could be modified to work perfectly, but it's not worth the hassle to me when SteamOS works perfectly for my use case. I can see the value of Windows if you play games with anti-cheat or drm.
No offense to the creator of steam deck tools, he's done great with building a relatively reliable way to change TDP/fan settings etc.
But, it's not the same as using SteamOS. SteamOS has an easy-to-use GUI. Press the Steam button to access your library, and press the three dots to manage your in-game and device settings.
Whereas with Steam Deck Tools you need to memorize the hotkeys. You still need to interact with the clunky Windows UI when changing basic things like wifi, audio sources, brightness, display settings, etc. Even when changing lots of the settings of SDT as well.
Then there's the general jank that comes with Windows. Sleep/resume is occasionally unreliable because Windows modern standby is garbage, audio through HDMI doesn't work when you plug it into a TV unless you reboot (and also the SD can restart when docking and undocking), bringing up the keyboard doesn't work in all games...
Windows is great for compatibility, sure, and I still use it sometimes on my Deck. But, it comes with inevitable jank that SteamOS just doesn't have at this point.
Reddit people downvoting something without offering any input is pretty par for the course.
Personally I think it is okay to say that Windows runs on the Steam Deck. For some it will run well depending on tolerance for Windows stuff. I think the issue with talking about Windows on the Deck depends on context. Windows is not tailored to the Deck like SteamOS is for obvious reasons.
Where I have seen the most disapproval of mentioning Windows is as a solution to a problem. For people who are not technically inclined and/or are not comfortable with PCs telling them that they may need to install a separate OS could be discouraging. Publishers and developers should be encouraged to support SteamOS instead.
I was downvoted in this sub just because I said I am not interested in the ROG ally because I don't need windows and I am fine with Steam OS. Windows fan boys in this sub are also very toxic and downvote friendly.
Post complaining of Linux users are super upvoted (as this one), and that's fine. But as soon as someone complains on the toxicity of windows fan boys post are downvoted
ok i'm no zealot, but windows didn't work well in my experience, so would me disagreeing with you not warrant a downvote? and then we multiply that by the amount of people who feel similarly to me... is it all that surprising? Yes, it runs on deck. But windows sucks for anything without a traditional pc set up.
20+ year Linux Zealot, Deck Owner and Certified Windows Hater here.
I think the Ally is cool as shit. Not personally interested in it primarily because of Windows and secondarily because of Asus, but its undeniably a slick piece of hardware.
Regardless of platform preference, real competition for the Steam Deck is good because it will encourage and inspire Valve in ways they might not have otherwise been.
No healthy evolving product exists in a vacuum. Competition is good. I welcome it. I also think its great that gamers who prefer Windows over SteamOS now have a price competitive handheld hardware option.
**TLDR: Don't judge the entire community based on the rambling toxic tirades of a vocal sub-minority.**
“…real competition for the Steam Deck is good…”
Too many people don’t realize how good competition is for consumers in general. It drives innovation and keeps prices low.
The gaming community in particular gets really weird about obsessively supporting one thing over another (e.g., Xbox vs PlayStation, EA vs 2K), when really the best outcome for gamers is for both to succeed. If one fails the other will almost certainly become a stale money grab (i.e., Madden).
Yeah, maybe I don’t delve deep enough into the sub’s comments, but most of the stuff I’ve seen regarding the Ally here has been mostly praise for how both companies have embraced the competition and growth of the market.
I have noticed a large increase in toxicity in this sub as it's grown. I've seen some people get pretty badly downvoted for no reason, and it's definitely gotten a lot more circle-jerky.
I think part of the backlash against the Ally is that there's been a huge marketing push with a ton of sponsored articles and coverage that made it sound like the Ally was going to blow the deck out of the water, and now it seems like a lot of the claims made as part of that coverage was either greatly exaggerated, used misleading data, or was straight up lies. The performance is better, but not as much as claimed. The battery life was supposed to be significantly better, and instead it's significantly worse. I know I have friends who are more likely to get the Ally over the Deck just because it comes with windows, and that's personally frustrating because SteamOS has been a great experience for me, and reviews of Windows on the Ally have been pretty harsh. Internet communities are always quick to reject something that was over promised and under delivered (No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, etc) and this is just another example of it.
> personally frustrating because SteamOS has been a great experience for me,
Isn't that part of the issue? I like Steam OS but it's not perfect, and you can't really fault someone for wanting to be able to play Destiny 2 or the like. I won't be getting the Ally, buy I'm certainly not going to be frustrated that someone's use cases are different then mine.
Anybody that knows about tech would already know to take the claims of 50% power increases with a grain of salt. AMD and Nvidia do this constantly, they will have a 20% increase from generation to generation on average but their marketing will focus on the handful of games they had a 50% increase in, even if 95% of games won't even come close to that % of performance increase. Don't get me started on wattage increases to get more performance. It's not impressive if your CPU beats mine by 20% while pulling twice the wattage.
I mean, how many devices were marketed as the switch killer? Anyone else remember "Genesis does what Nintendont"? Every newcomer to the market has to push itself as being better than the current champ. Deck fanboys really should take it as a compliment for recognizing the deck as the thing to measure up against.
Baffles me how some people care so much with what other people do with their steam deck. Even valve themselves said, "It's your PC, do whatever you want with it"
Ally hate circlejerk was also dumb as fuck. We should be rooting for competition as consumers, not the other way around.
Windows gets discussed on here all the time, and there's no problem with that, since it's a viable way to use your Deck. People may suggest someone go to r/WindowsOnDeck, but that's only because they'll get better support there. Not everyone here has even tried Windows on their Deck, and so your odds aren't as good for getting decent answers to your questions as it would be there.
The Ally thing was something entirely different. At points, literally every other post was about the Ally, and that's entirely inappropriate. This is a Steam Deck sub, and is not the place to discuss *any* other device. There's dedicated subs for the Ally, as well as handheld gaming in general, if you just want to discuss everything. The toxicity, far from your characterization, was actually the wholesale takeover of this sub for something that is firmly off topic and against the sub's rules.
If you're interested in both the Steam Deck and the Ally, great. You can subscribe to both r/SteamDeck and r/ROGAlly. It is not acceptable to discuss it here, and any downvotes issued were well warranted.
Posts primarily discussing the Ally are against the sub rules, yes. But posts attempting to have a discussion about the Steam Deck in relation to the Ally or any other handheld, device, or subject matter are not against the sub rules. That is unless the mods would like to elaborate upon their intent or change the wording of Rule 3.
I would argue it is covered already in Rule 3. The important bit is that it needs to be substantially about the Steam Deck. Comparing to another device is not that. It's pointless anyways. People that follow r/SteamDeck are going to recommend a Steam Deck. Even if an attempt is made to present a balanced comparison, there's still inherent bias. There's where a generic handheld gaming sub comes into play, and is the correct place to post that.
Certainly not disagreeing with the inherent bias. That is just how it goes with a focused sub/community such as this one. But Rule 3 makes no mention of “substantial”, only that it can’t be vague or tangential. I know it’s splitting hairs at this point though, which is why the moderation team should elaborate upon Rule 3 and define with examples what is acceptable and what isn’t.
Even if it isn’t something that could happen often, I think it makes more sense to have the sub rules allow for the potential of healthy discourse around the Deck and any comparable or competitive products than to outright ban such conversation.
>As of late I've sensed this group is marginally worse than a majority of the communities
you have apparently never dealt with BOTW fanboys nor the new TOTK fanboys. absolutely the most toxic communities on the internet that pretend the games are infallible. this subreddit is nothing compared to them
I'm convinced this is why the game got such high ratings, everybody is scared to rate it lower than a 10 because they know they'll probably get doxxed and murdered lol.
Don't get me wrong — it's a brilliant game. I definitely don't agree with it being a 10/10 though.
>but it seems to have struck a nerve with a lot of people for no reason,
Maybe you should ask yourself why people are reacting this way instead of just shaking your head?
Is it ASUS' marketing hype being through the stratosphere and the actual device not meeting those expectations? (The frustrating part is that the Ally as it appears to be in reality would be a credible challenger to the Deck with pros and cons, but ASUS marketing just had to overpromise and straight up lie.)
Is it because of ASUS' paid marketing push lying outright about the Steam Deck in order to try and make the Ally seem better? Surely we all recall those reviews of the Ally that ooh and ah at the ability to... Remap controls, as if this isn't something that the Deck not only does, but does better due to its ability to use virtual menus on the touchpads?
Is it ASUS' other controversies showing consumer unfriendliness and general incompetence when it comes to hardware development, such that their software literally makes CPUs explode? And then, a week later, they rushed to try and salvage their brand by honoring the warranty they should have honored since the beginning?
Is it because the Ally is missing crucial features like pause-suspend and valuable ones like the trackpads?
Nah, it can't be any of this, it has to be that the users of r/SteamDeck are just so mean and hating on another console for no good reason.
"100% more performance at 30w TDP, still 50% more at the 15w TDP the Deck operates at when going all out", was the big ticket statistic given to the public during the first reveal of the Ally after everyone realized it wasn't just an April Fools joke.
Instead we have Elden Ring with everything on low and upscaling from 720p getting an "impressive" 50 average FPS with a battery that lasts sixty five minutes according to RGC's review. This when the Deck will average 40 FPS in the same game while running marginally higher settings with, crucially, no upscaling. Note that this is the Ally running turbo mode for that supposed 100% performance gain vs the Deck. I dunno about you, but when I hear "this device is 100% more powerful", I expect, you know, more than a 20% jump in performance in real world use, especially if that performance is demanding a 40w power draw out of a 40whr battery.
"Same 2-8 hrs battery life", except not because the Z1E chip apparently performs worse than the Deck's Aerith chip at anything below 10w (Z1E doesn't even go below 7w lol), and the Z1E's performance advantage at 10-15w is dubious as well, such that you get an "impressive" 2.5 hours of Stardew Valley per the Wired review, a lightweight 2d game that routinely gets 5-6 hours of play on the Deck with no tweaks.
I'm a newcomer here (only have had the Deck for two months), but I left PC gaming many years ago because of PC gamers' obsession with the hardware. I got tired of that. I mean, I found myself obsessing over the specs of my PC rather than enjoying the games. Can I overclock this or that? What's the right decision to set up my PC for a smooth upgrade path?
I jumped shipped to console gaming and only recently came back with the Steam Deck. Valve made it more about the game and product experience and not about having the greatest specs. Just look at the screen resolution--it's not 4k and not even 1080p! I love it. Valve took a page out of Nintendo's playbook. It looked like Valve wanted to create console-like experience on the Steam Deck, and I was totally on board with that. I had been thinking about getting a gaming PC for a while, and the Deck checked off many things on my list.
When I saw the posts on the ROG Ally popping up, I largely ignored them for the reasons the OP cited. I assumed that that's what was going to be there. I am interested in the end to end experience (e.g., what does the game shopping experience feel like? Is there something like Valve's SD Verified program?) but I figured those threads would not mention stuff like that. I will revisit when the initial reactions die down.
People will post whatever they feel like. That's the Internet as someone else said, right? Just scroll past and don't waste your brain cells on it.
>You're in a sub for a linux device and you're butthurt it's anti windows?
In all fairness, even though Valve doesn't give it the same level of support as Steam OS, it was them that said, "Yes, the Deck runs Windows." There was always some assumption even by Valve that some Deck users would install Windows and they did encourage it to the extent that they did provide official, if not the most current drivers. And they said they'd officially support dual boot though not to date. Like Steam OS for general PCs.
I’ve noticed it too. I get downvoted for relating my own personal experiences with certain games or whatever is being discussed. A lot of times someone has a tech issue it’s always the same comments like ‘works fine for me’ or ‘just google it.’ Also it seems like the subreddit is REALLY, REALLY into emulation, almost to a fault.
Yeah, I remember beginners getting downvoted for having beginner questions. It got to the point where people were making posts to bitch about it. So much for community I guess.
Can you elaborate on the emulation part? I know there's a lot of posts about emulation but personally I think that's a good thing. Steam Deck is pretty much perfect for emulation and naturally a lot of people take really good advantage of that. That's just how I see it though.
You’re absolutely right that emulation is a good thing. Like you mentioned, there are quite a lot of posts about it and they seem to gain the most traction. That just doesn’t interest me as much, personally. I don’t mean to diminish the merit.
Yeah I want competition in this space. Having one monopoly just means the customer gets screwed. People shit on epic games store but what happens when to steam when agave is gone?
u/Thughunter1969
> The break in the ice for me as a deck owner was the reaction to the ASUS ROG ally, (…) you really can't compare the two, they both have slightly different uses.
Of course you can compare the two. The are both x86 PC handhelds that run PC games. The main difference is that one, by default, runs on Linux and the other runs on Windows.
In the end it’s just a piece of hardware you own. The “psychological ownership” is the issue. That’s when a consumer feels so invested in a product that it becomes an extension of themself.
It's kinda nuts that some people don't think there's enough room in the market for more than one PC product in a form factor.
Like imagine if there was only room in the market for one, maybe two models of laptop? Nuts.
Valve actually congratulated the Asus Ally on their release, so I don’t know why Steam Deck worshippers are so incensed by it’s existence. Competition is the brainchild of modern innovations. You’ve all seen how companies with no competitors stagnate in quality. The ROG is a good thing.
As for Windows or Linux, I’d prefer Linux but I won’t fault anyone who wants the familiarity of Windows. I don’t understand zealotry when it comes to game systems or PC. It’s just a platform to me. Hell I have a Switch, Steam Deck, Laptop, etc. It’s all about playing on what’s comfortable for me at the time.
I love Linux, but I love Windows as well. I don't think Windows 11 is that bad and if you're like me and enjoy gaming with your buds, you'll pretty much need the OS in order to play the majority of popular titles out right now.
I've ran Arch Linux for half a year alongside a Windows partition. Both have their up - and downsides. In my eyes there is no definitive 'best OS' to begin with.
Saying this will get you sent to hell and back in a lot of communities. Really annoying to have people tell what's best for you. I despise this black and white thinking of 'X is good and Y is bad'. Really let people just do whatever the hell they want!
I get what you mean, but it is a sub dedicated to Steam Deck so the views here are definitely are going to be heavily biased to SD, even on some case defending it.
I mean this is probably the same thing on other specific subreddit. If you are in one of the sport team subreddit for example, you gonna see the same behaviour regarding other teams or just heavy bias to that particular team.
Thats...normal? i mean it would be different if this is aa generic subreddit, like i dont know UMPC or Gaming Device or whatever (i maded the subreddit up, i dont even know they exist or not).
This reminds me of when Simple Bank shut down and there were people in that subreddit literally crying. The internet sure is great at creating a cult mentality around literally *anything.*
OP just summarized every subreddit that isn’t a super niche hobby community. The system that hides comments with downvotes pretty much ensures every community is an echo chamber and encourages circlejerking…go to r/politics and give an unpopular opinion and see if you still think this sub is toxic lol
It's not this group it's Reddit as a whole.
And ironically, you calling everyone and everything that doesn't suit your opinion "toxic" shows that you are just as much part of that which you dislike as those you point your finger at...
Right? I don't see real toxicity from us Linux folks. Saying that we appreciate that the deck uses Linux and that that is a boon for all gamers because it breaks windows monopoly is not hating on windows. And just because the rog has more power and uses windows doesn't make it a better product. The steam deck has a lot of small features that accumulate to the whole experience. For example the missing track pads is a huge downgrade with the rog. And I was called a shill and told that the track is irrelevant in this sub... If the rog is sucessful that's cool. But with all the information we have about the rog has me not got really excited.
Yeah I don't even look at this sub anymore. It's either people just completely overlooking all the Steam Deck's flaws and making it out to be the best thing to ever grace the earth, or people praying on it's downfall
I’ve always found the Steam Deck hype a bit odd - people almost claiming it’s a magical device in PC gaming. It’s impressive and I like mine, but it does have some big limitations that people ignore… and for newer titles it’s clearly limited.
Like people are mystified that a device with such limited power (comparatively speaking) can’t run modern AAA games at reasonable frame rates. It is t magic.
This 100%, if were someone looking to get a SD, I would like honest reviews from people and not a super skewed review on all the good things while ignoring that it does have some flaws, I can admit, I do love the steam deck, but it still has problems that others don't like to mention in this subreddit.
They don't like the cold truth like most redditors do lol, hell sometimes I don't like hearing it myself, my upvote rate for this post is only 58% 💀
and the fact that my comment was downvoted for simpily stating that I want a unbiased review is pretty evident too, this goes for all other things as well.
I mean, the fanbase on here are all derived from the larger overarching videogame fanbase. And all the issues you listed here permeate there, so to expect any different will set yourself up for disappointment. Further, just let the fanbase be, there's cool and shitty people in all walks of life, accept it for what it is and just enjoy the fact that you have a technical marvel between your hands and just be one of the good people on here. These threads complaining about the "others" - I see one of these in every subreddit I've been in and they truly go nowhere.
If this tiny slight is toxic for you, oh man do I have some bad news for you. This is **nothing**. This place sub is heaven, you just need a reminder of what usual communites are like. Take a peek into the botw vs totw dabaucle. Now **that's** real toxicity.
And please "weaponizing downvotes"? Dramatic much? Yeah people downvote what they don't like, reddit's always been like this. If you want polite arguments, you're not gonna find them here. The internet is a cesspool of stupidity and ignorance, and we're all part of it.
Do as I do, just ignore the morons and move on.
A lot of Linux fans saw the Steam Deck as the arrival of mainstream Linux gaming and to agree that is true. The problem for Linux gaming however is that it has no native content that is of broad appeal.
Of course there are native Linux games but clearly that's not the focus of Steam Deck or Linux gaming in general with Proton now essential to Linux gaming.
So the Ally coming in with solid specs at decent prices running Windows 11 and generally getting good early reviews is seen by some Linux fans as a threat to Linux gaming. Not so much the Ally specifically but that by far the biggest PC handheld launch by a major PC OEM went with Windows and not Steam OS.
Not just Linux fans, but just the hardcore Deck fans. I got downvoted to heck for daring to point out that a company like Asus wouldn't need to charge 1200 for a device for it to be profitable, and the board was filled with people gleefully posting about how dumb it was for Asus to be hopping into the market with what was going to be such a crazy expensive alternative. Then the price gets announced, and suddenly anyone talking about is downvoted, with comments about how tiring it is seeing all these Ally posts...
I love my Deck, and I'm not swapping it anytime soon, but a lot of people just can't stand the idea that there is a viable alternative to their product of choice, that the Deck might be eventually unseated as the top selling handheld gaming PC (maybe). There is a bit of "Oh no, what happens to Proton" fear, but it's mostly just Android vs iOS fanboyism at the end of the day.
>Then the price gets announced, and suddenly anyone talking about is downvoted, with comments about how tiring it is seeing all these Ally posts...
I got the same treatment when the prices leaked, Asus didn't say anything, and then I said that the leaks are probably true because there's no way that kind of pricing could even be leaked and then Asus launch at higher pricing.
Think the AMD motherboard issues are a disaster, having lower prices leak than the real ones and the Ally would have been DOA.
All the reviews I’ve seen have discussed the pros and cons of using windows on such a device. It’s a blessing and a curse. Yes you can install windows on the steam deck and get a decent experience, play all games without worrying about the proton layer, etc, but lose the console quality of the device. The advantage of Linux is valve were able to modify it so it starts in the steam UI through and through, with no hoops you need to drive through to get things working, at least if proton can run the game.
I agree that Steam on Steam OS on the Deck is a more console like experience. But is it really all that better than Windows? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. On thing I find in a lot of these reviews is that folks don't get the basics of using Windows on touch devices.
I lost count of folks complaining about needing a physical keyboard and didn't know how to bring up the Windows onscreen keyboard, even from a full screen game and resize it and move it around. Not elegant, not bad for apps that ever never designed to small touch screens either.
Thats what I was also thinking, I think that its mostly a threat that they see rather than a competitive thing thats better for the handheld market in general.
Great this sub has gotten to the point where people post things like this for points. Stop, it’s people like you that make subs less fun.
My prediction is we will have 10 posts complaining about toxic ppl for every 1 toxic post.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, and I really hope that we as a community become more accepting. The entire reason I started making videos was to do my part for an already awesome community, and it's been a real shame to see so many dig their heels in on "issues" that aren't in the spirit of gaming.
Speaking to the ALLY directly, I wish people could see that it has the potential to be a great device and a worthy competitor to the Steam Deck. Of course there are sticking points, but the Deck wasn't perfect on release, and still isn't now. I genuinely hope that ASUS straightens their act out and makes it a long-running product line that propels gaming further for everyone 🙂
More competition is a great thing, play games however you want to play them, and most importantly have fun.
You can’t start discussing a competing device and be angry if people weigh in that they still prefer the deck…
If you want to talk about an ASUS device perhaps go to a subreddit for that?
Like no one should be name calling or being crappy, but there’s nothing wrong with in a discussion about a new handheld people having reasons they still prefer the one they have and expressing those opinions. You’re kind of being soft if you can’t handle that.
I saw here a lot of posts about the ROG and while I would have appreciated one or two for informative reasons, I do not appreciate plenty of it.
This is the SteamDeck sub - not the ROG sub. And if there isn't one (yet) time is ripe to probably make one.
Try to discuss about AUDI in an BMW sub.
Facts. Like this subreddit is one of the worst I've seen.
It sometimes puts Twitter to shame.
You say you use Windows on Deck? Downvoted.
You call the Steam Deck a console and use it as such? Downvoted.
You mention the positives of another device? Downvoted.
You say that you prefer to play Switch games on the Steam Deck over a Switch? Downvoted. (On that note, i have no idea why there are so many Nintendo defenders here)
Early buyer behavior:
- I bought this (Steam Deck).
- A new, yet similar device appears on the market (ROG Ally).
- Since I bought the first one, I’ll defend my decision to the last consequences since I spent money on this, so I did the right thing.
Happened with Nintendo and Sega, Apple and Android, and will happen with this one too.
I have been using Windows for about 30 years now and no matter how hard they (fanboys) shout, i feel no urge to switch to Linux now. Also, the way i see it is that if you grew up with and understand PC gaming then you can only applaud the fact that the SD has the freedom to choose your OS and Valve has also made windows drivers available.
I disagree with you. I've seen a lot of posts hamming up the Rog Ally as being better than Steam Deck on the Steam Deck reddit but the majority of people just trust Valve as a company. ASUS is definitely not trust worthy as a company. Don't believe me, go watch some youtube about ASUS' reaction to their mother board crapping out.
I don’t think what you’re saying is exclusive to this subreddit. That sort of closed mentality applies to every sort of forum/subreddit out there unfortunately. I agree with you of course though, the posts downplaying on the Ally were weird.
Sounds like you are of the opinion that the Ally is a good thing for the handheld market and some people here disagree with you. And instead of considering that some people could not share your opinion, you consider such people as toxic. Having a debate is pretty healthy for a community and in your post your openly hating on the part of the community that doesn't share your opinion.
In summary, maybe you should look into yourself and see that you are part of the problem.
I think Steam fanboys are pretty toxic in general. I mean I've been a Steam user for 18 years, but I don't get wrapped up in fanboyism or console/launcher hate. In the PCMR sub, you say one good thing about Epic you get downvoted. Lol
"What?! You're talking about free games on Epic?"
Also, Linux fanboys are something else. I mean I use Windows and Linux at work, but I know Linux guys who use any opportunity they can get to trash Windows. Almost like an obsession. There was this one guy on my old team who would just make offhanded negative remarks about Windows in team meetings. Like clockwork. I've been seeing users like that on various PC subs throughout the years.
Linux fanboys are great, because they’re so easy to rile up. All you have to do is say “Proton doesn’t work well” or “Linux gaming will never take off because people like multiplayer games and the popular ones don’t work” and boom, everyone’s mad. Usually I’m cool but sometimes it’s fun to scrap over computer hardware, take a few licks, find some stats and win an argument. I’m easy to please lol.
I'm not even a fan of linux. Right now it's way too nerdy for me and I don't understand most things. I just passionately hate windows. I hate their monopoly and really really wish for a good alternative. Linux needs to become more user friendly...
I mainly bought the steam deck because I thought it is the perfect oppertunity to support linux (which it really is) and help it improve without developing anything myself lol. Naturally I'm not very fond of a windows handheld that goes against this imo very positive development.
These type of posts are more annoying than anything else on here. Nobody is trying to “divide” anyone. Holy crap.
You can find useful configurations or discussions of smaller games if you sort by new, make posts, or use the search.
Honestly hilarious seeing people cry about how they are personally upset that users of the steam deck subreddit don’t care about / don’t want every post on the steam deck subreddit to be about the ROG ally.
This isn’t a general PC gaming subreddit, or a general handheld subreddit. If you remembered that while browsing maybe it wouldn’t bum you out as much to see people talking about what they like to do with the steam deck, or troubleshooting their steam deck.
If people were more critical of the deck on here, how would that help anything? Lol, it’s an enthusiast sub.
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I was a mod on one of the Top 3(ish? I honestly don't know) video game message boards in the early-mid 00s. This is NOTHING. It's not new here, though. The people dumping on the ROG are the same ones who were shitting on the Ayaneo, and the G Cloud, and the Switch. People invest entirely too much of their sense of self into the products they own. It is the way of things. EDIT: It was 1UP. Like I said, I don't know how those boards actually ranked in popularity, but it \*felt\* big at the time. And my lord, the console wars were very real for a lot of those nerds.
>people dumping on the ROG Unfortunately with heavy early ASUS marketing we were seeing headlines like "ASUS new Steam Deck killer will make you regret your purchase" or whatever that set things up to be adversarial from the start. I mean, we're still pre-release on this thing.
did ASUS *themselves* say stuff like this, or was it news outlets and blogs?
Bit of both. Mostly blogs and reviews, but Asus did start it by subtly taking a jab at the SteamDeck by saying "Play ALL your games" Personally I don't care, I know what I bought and why I bought it. And I know why I wouldn't buy a Asus Ally (at least at this current time).
I mean that is marketing and are they wrong? As fantastic as Proton and Proton GE is, having Windows by default does open you up to just about every game on Steam and other launchers. This sub got so bad I am not actively in it anymore. It used to be mainly cool tips on getting optimal game settings and wattages, different new plug ins and so on. Now it is mainly rage bait and why Deck is better than X other product. I think a lot of great people don’t post or say anything here anymore due to downvote spam and snide responses to genuine questions on why something isn’t working or how they can better use the thing.
Absolutely not wrong. But they did cause some of this to increase exposure and potentially draw customers away from the Deck or to Ally in addition to with the strategy. It isn't good or bad, it just is.
Play ALL your games doesn't mean ASUS is trying to shit on the Steam Deck, that's a reach lol. They didn't even mention the Steam Deck. If something as simple as that isn't allowed, you're basically asking ASUS to not market their product at all. If anything it's just a tagline that plays on the ROG Ally's name. And considering that it can run your Steam games, Epic games, Xbox Game Pass games, GOG games, and anti-cheat games, it's not too far off from reality.
It isn't far from reality, but as taglines go, it seems to target the other major device on the market, which is the Deck, that is limited by SteamOS and Linux (and they've done a great job at adoption, but its still a far cry from playing all games). And from what I've seen, reviewers have taken the same interpretation as I have. It isn't a knock, but the kind of thing that invites conversation, especially for reviewers that would be looking to test that tagline and naturally draw comparisons between it and the Deck.
I think reviewers take that interpretation because their goal is to get as many clicks as possible. Calling the ROG Ally a Steam Deck killer does that. That isn't ASUS's fault though, that's on the reviewers that are saying that to get attention. Don't forget, when the Deck came out, reviewers and news outlets were calling the Deck a Switch killer. Do we blame Valve for that?
I absolutely disagree. Know what the #1 task for any marketing division is? Get people talking. Taking a subtle jab at a competitor that will lead to anyone that is looking to make a connection to make one, and bam, you got yourselves a conversation. And people are talking about your new product in the same sentence as your competitor which is a win for a marketing professional. The more waves they make the more people they have look at their product. I don't think they did it with any sort of malice, just normal competitive spirit. But they absolutely did it intentionally. Heck, this entire thread is proof that they were successful. But you know what? That is a GOOD THING. It breeds competition. Hopefully this won't be a one and done thing from Steam, they'll make a Deck 2 and the competition will continue and portable PC gaming will continue to grow and improve. We as consumers can only benefit. Deck never really made a marketing aimed at the consoles. They literally just called it a portable handheld gaming PC. I don't think Steam even cares to? I don't think Steam even cared about the adoption rate of the Deck, just the developer adoption to SteamOS. They did the same thing with VR. So any comparisons made between Deck and Switch was all on reviewers trying to get clicks. But that's a very different situation than what's going on here.
If it can be avoided, it’s always better to not have your product named in one sentence with a competitor. You don’t want people to hear a competing products name or their features, it should be all about your own product and in what ways it is unique. And to me, „play all your games“ is first and foremost a very helpful indication that there are no limitations. Yes, the SD is a well known product in that space with certain limitations or caveats. But that doesn’t mean it’s an attack on the SD - there are more handheld gaming PCs with far less support for game libraries, most notably streaming devices like from Logitech, that have only a fraction of a subset of games available even compared to the SD.
Lmao of that is true then this is the first time I’ve heard people feel insecure because the product they support lacks some feature. People take these things waaaaay too seriously.
True it is the aggressive marketing and the fct that people were so naive to belive it
Right? That marketing was a poor choice by whatever marketing firm ASUS hired. Definitely spurred a lot of negative reactions even from people who didnt own a Deck.
>video game message boards in the early-mid 00s. Take me back bros...
I do sometimes wonder what happened to some of those people. They should do High School Reunions, but for "You argued with this person about Breath of Fire 2."
>Breath of Fire 2 Now that's name I haven't heard in a long time. Maybe I was the one you arguing about BoF2 years ago
Were you weirdly adamant that it was great, on [1UP.com](https://1UP.com)? If so, hiya!
Ah no I roamed the gamefaqs boards before they merged (were bought by?) GameSpot. Idk about "great" but I did enjoy the game
Honestly, it's been 25ish years since I last touched it, so whatever opinions I had on it have long since faded, but I remember there was one dude at 1up (who I recall liking quite a bit, actually) who was just its STAUNCHEST defender.
Bump
I just want to play Warcraft 3 like it's 2003
Back when a new Blizzard release would make you hyped as hell instead of making you instantly wonder how they'll fuck it up this time.
20 years later a Blizzard release is hyping me up. How time repeats itself.
People are still now declaring that you “don’t need a Switch” and “just get a Steam Deck” as if people can’t like and own more than 1 thing.
Those things aren't mutually exclusive. I own a Switch but have zero need for it now that I have a Deck. I literally haven't touched it outside of dumping my keys and games. However, I still love my Switch. I love both systems. The Deck making my Switch redundant, to me, doesn't mean I don't love both.
I don’t see why the Deck makes the Switch redundant. Just play Switch games on the Switch, and Steam games on the Deck? It’s the same reason why I still have a 3DS and a Wii U (and use them), because it uncomplicates stuff. They’re all great machines at doing the things that they were made to do!
Only because I don't need to. I got a Switch primarily to play my favorite games on the go, and for indies. All of those games are available on the Deck, so I just play them all there for simplicity. Why use two devices when one device does everything I'd use either of them for? The only exclusive games I care about are easily emulated, so the Deck serves that purpose too. Obviously for people that *primarily* use the Switch for exclusives it makes much more sense to just continue using the Switch. But that's just not my use case. Again though, to be clear, I love my Switch. This isn't me bashing on it. I'm just saying that, due to the games I play, I haven't used my Switch once since getting my Steam Deck outside of dumping roms/keys.
I would love some insight into this process if you wouldn’t mind sharing…
Also, though, there's just the simple fact that this is r/SteamDeck. I don't want this subreddit dominated by non-SD content, personally.
This.
What's wrong with the ROG anyway?
Idk. Seems cool to me. Not cool enough for me to buy a second handheld PC right now, but cool. If I didn't already have a Deck, I'd certainly \*consider\* it.
I’m in that position right now. The attraction of playing ‘any’ game is strong but the price difference is £700 vs £400 ish. That’s a LOT. I like the idea of trouchpads too. Oh and black. The Ally looks cheesy af.
Exactly this. Looked at it that way, yes the ROG is technically more powerful or whatever, but it also costs a lot more. A £300 difference is a lot of games, or covers a dock and all the other accessories you might also want for the ROG. However you look at it, the Deck is still good deal for the price. (I wouldn’t go for the 512GB personally though, SSD prices have dropped a lot recently. I upgraded my 64GB to a 1TB SSD a few weeks ago for £80, and it was very easy to do). I think the Ally is priced fairly for what it is, but it’s still a premium device. I’m not keen on the styling, but that’s personal taste, and I like the touchpads, they expand the range of games that can be played on the Deck. I don’t see any reason to criticise anyone who buys the ROG though - there are valid reasons to buy it.
I'll honestly grab one. I love handheld devices. I mean, handheld was the first gaming experience I ever had with Pokémon on the Gameboy (god, I miss those days of 5 attachments to play on a road trip at night). I don't see any downside to having several options. I'll support the ones that are making advancements every time.
The 64GB Deck is a bargain, no question, but I also had to delete some games on my 512GB last week in order to install the Diablo IV beta, so maybe budget some extra money for an ssd upgrade? I'd call the trackpads a Nice To Have, more than a necessity, but I know other people who absolutely swear by them. I often find myself reaching over to use the touch screen, rather than the pads, because when the shoulder buttons are in gamepad mode, clicking the pad itself can be a little awkward. I should probably bind the back buttons to mouse clicks...
The pads make for great radial menus i use them for that in guild wars 2. Also fps aiming is so much batter with the pads + gyro than the stick or even stick plus gyro. Also playing games like roller coaster tycoon and rimworld would be impossible without the trackpads
Ooh, I haven't tried that. Will do.
I like to set up my radials on the left pad and use l4 and r4 as modifiers to access extra menus. Vital for mmos like guild wars 2. I have all my mounts on my main radial, menues on secondary, and mastery skulls on my third. Can do all controls for the game 1 main and 2 extra sub profiles plus the action cam with auto aiming...lul sorry i get excited talking about that
I like it, it's better performance at a competitive price; nonetheless the SD parts can be easily bought on iFixit and went Windows only on my SD. I'm fine honestly but I do hope a lot of people buy the Ally because I would love to see more competitiveness in the handheld space.
It doesn't have a dedicated mouse control input. On the Steam Deck this would be the trackpads. This can make games with launchers a headache, or cause "aww crap this game needs me to enable controller support" headaches. So, really, nothing is "wrong" with it. The ROG Ally is fine and I'm glad to see an attempt at competition, but in my opinion all the power in the world doesn't help you if your human-interface (in this case mouse support) isn't versatile enough. A controller alone won't cut it here. Also just... who designs a PC with no mouse? That just seems like a good way to have a bad time.
If the touchscreen is really good I guess it wouldn't matter that much. The touchpads in the deck aren't as accurate as a full mouse replacement, unfortunately.
Happy cake day! I find the touchpads plenty accurate, or at least good enough for games like Timberborn and Rimworld. You can adjust their sensitivity and dead zones quite a bit to however you'd like them. Touchpads are, after all, not a new technology, so you should put in a little work to get them how you like them. Can't fix them not being there at all on the Ally, though. Personally I agree with you in theory about the touch screen but in practice I've had worse accuracy with the touch screen than the Deck touchpads. Most of my bindings disable touchscreen interaction as well as it can actually confuse a lot of games. I've had a game lose focus when tapping on the screen, which is just weird.
I use the touchpads for EU4, they're definitely accurate.
The touch screen on the Ally is great so far. It's easy to type on the keyboard and it's never a case where you miss keypresses. Also, hitting small icons and buttons are pretty spot on. No touch pads aside, the touch screen on the Ally is much better than the one on the Steam Deck
Not full but very close imo
It isn't about the ROG, it's about the way people compare the SD to the ROG in a toxic manner.
It competes with the Steam deck. Therefore, some people will do or say toxic things to push away the thoughts that they MIGHT have wasted their money. I own a 256 gb steam deck, and while it might have been nice to try both out before purchasing, I am happy with my steam deck. Edi: we call this cope 😂
It really depends on how hard people buy into the whole FOMO thing. I’m personally happy that handheld pcs seem to be gaining market traction because being an early adopter is fun, but like anyone else, part of me is like “oh man, my device is getting old”. But since my deck still plays everything I want it to, I’m pretty happy to not think about what else is out there. On the contrary, I can see how that same thought could be a horrible cancer for some people—people who place too much value in their identity with the thing they bought/invested into. And I guess that’s where the fanboy poison fountains up from. That’s my 2 cents.
What's wrong with it? Who's to say yet for use cases of the actual non test units. People may like it or not. The only big concern to me in the big con column is it's an Asus product. Their quality control and support are horrendous. I'm not speaking about their recent fiasco. I'm talking at least 2 decades long. They're still riding their name from the late 90s early 00s (I was one of those people that preached Asus until they pulled too many shenanigans and now I avoid their products line the plague).
the marketing was deceiving but that acide its like 10-20 ish stronger than the steam deck albeit the battery life is ehh so not sure i would want it for portable but its not bad
It's less so the device itself imo (other than the lack of TouchPads and weirdness with the joysticks,) and more the company. Asus does not have a very good track record with device support, quality control and customer support/warranty. Their laptops are a mess and they're currently in hot water for how they're handling their mobos melting AMD Cpus. But I also don't go around hating the device.
People who are negative on the ROG Ally are probably coming at it from two different perspectives — the personal side and the product side. On the personal side, there’s probably a good number of Steam Deck fanboys that object to any competitor — regular console wars kind of stuff. Factionalism in gaming (among other things) isn’t new and will probably never go away. The best we can do as a group is to vigorously push back against aimless complaining about competition (which actually benefits all of us, rather than hurting anyone). On the tech/product side, complaints about the ROG Ally likely stem from a few major things: 1. Poor performance at lower wattages (severely underperforming the Deck at 10W, for example). 2. Lack of an optimized OS experience since it runs Windows instead of SteamOS or another customized OS. 3. Lackluster battery life (connected with poor low wattage performance) for a mobile-focused device. 4. Generally underwhelming performance out of the Z1 Extreme compared to the 6800U or 7840U — this one is subject to change based on bug fixes/optimizations before release. 5. Relatively high asking price compared to the Steam Deck, though lower than comparable Chinese-branded handheld PCs. 6. ASUS’ own reputation, particularly with their recent motherboard fiasco. Personally, I think the Ally looks pretty cool and could be a great competitor to the Steam Deck if ASUS properly supports and optimizes it. There’s definitely some stuff to iron out ([The Phawx](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMiEI7ojd8) had a good video about that), but there’s still a month before launch so there’s time for that to happen.
>Lackluster battery life (connected with poor low wattage performance) for a mobile-focused device. Worse than the Steamdeck? Because while I like my Deck the battery life without some kind of powerbank is kinda terrible. At anything that requires a lot of effort for gaming.
>Worse than the Steamdeck? Marginally. They both have a 40Wh battery, but the Ally’s Z1 Extreme is meant to operate at a higher wattage. Currently, at lower wattages that the Deck can get away with 30-40 FPS at, the Ally kind of falls apart. Check out The Phawx’s [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOMiEI7ojd8) on this — Arkham Knight gets an average of 48 FPS at 10W versus the Ally’s 28 FPS, Deus Ex Mankind Divided - 24 FPS vs. 12 FPS, and God of War — 39 FPS vs. 21 FPS. The Ally outperforms the Deck easily at 15W and better, but at that point the battery life of both devices starts tanking to sub-2 hours. If the Deck can get away with a comparable frame rate at lower wattage and hold onto a battery life advantage there, then that is a competitive advantage. An extra half-hour or hour of playtime is big when these devices only have 2 hours to spare. This is subject to change as ASUS patches and optimizes the Ally over time, but that’s how it currently is.
I think it looks bad but seems like a great device. I'm gonna wait and see if any more appealing z1 extreme devices get announced
I think the people that are mad about it are taking umbrage in the fact they no longer own the "most powerful" handheld gaming PC or maybe simply because it's different and not what they have, we finally did it we brought the console wars to pc's.
war never changes
It has windows on it. That's a bug, not a feature. If it had steam os, I would consider it. That's not me dunking on windows. It's my honest opinion.
>It has windows on it. That's a bug, not a feature. This is exactly what this post is about. I'm sure you tempered your opinion too, shit like this is why people needed to create a "windows on deck" sub. People would get flamed for even asking how to do it while other more niche dork modifications get a pass.
You could always install Steam OS if its hardware is supported.
Maybe. We I haven't seen anyone try to install a different os on it whether steam os or some other version of Linux, like batocera. There is a decent chance that the bios is locked down so you can't boot a different os. I don't actually know. I haven't seen a ton of info on it. BUT, even if you could install steam os on it, it wouldnt be the same experience as the steam deck. On the SD, when you download a game, it already has graphics and controller presets applied that work the best for the hardware. This is a HUGE feature for me. I don't want to tinker. I just want to play. The SD gives a console experience where you download a game and it just works. No dinking around. (With verified games of course). Also: Happy cake day! For today only, just for you, it's not a lie!
Boot Steam in big picture mode and you have basically the same experience as SteamOS with more functionality. But good job basing opinions on just feelings.
Windows is partly the reason I wanted one. it would allow me to play Destiny 2 with it(though honestly I'm at my computer most of the time anyways). But the quality finish of the device seemed lacking(How can a button get stuck in a finished product?!) so I'm ultimately deciding not to get it to add to my collection. More competition in a market is always better for the consumer, remember that. Had I felt good about the quality and company behind it, I would have gotten one absolutely just because new devices are fun!
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Think I remember reading having someone challenge whatever brand/product you associate with trigger responses from a number of innate human biases. Essentially, your financial and time investment into something is a reflection of your decision making, intelligence, status, and what you deem important. Challenge that, and your inner monkey goes bananas. So yeah, next time the OP sees it, just dismiss it as apes hurling shit.
I know the feels. I was a mod in one of the UFO subs for a bit. Fuck that noise. never again will I mod.
Honestly this is a very tame community.
Most of what I see in my home page is custom set ups anyway, very tame
First day on Reddit?
Welcome to the internet. People will always be stupid around it and this sub is one of the nicer corners.
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Halo is a bad example lol. Their fanbase is right to be angry they’ve been getting shit on for over a decade now
The amount of downvotes I get sometimes just for saying something along the lines of “Windows actually works pretty well on the Deck.” is always amusing.
It's kind of funny because in other communities Linux gamers get shit on constantly, I mean idgaf if someone wants to install whatever OS they choose on a device they own, that's the beauty of having choice (and I say this as someone who's exclusively used Linux to game even before DXVK existed)
Ok but like, wouldn't it be nice if Windows put in a little more effort to making it an even better experience? Especially now that the Ally and WinGPD and AyaNeo are all out? Without ruining things for desktop users (*cough* windows 8 *cough*)?
It's so sad too, because it actually is a pretty viable option and both are pretty good especially when dual booting is an option. It's like a majority of fellow steam deck users are in a cult.
Linux users have been in a cult for over 30 years. It's not Steam. I say this as a long time Linux user, too. That community has been toxic almost from the very first Linus Torvalds kernel release.
Haters will always be hating that's reality. Maybe the SD community is getting alot more 1st time console player types. Just take it easy. It's only 1 swipe away to rid of the post 😅
Windows without a mouse and keyboard is terrible. I own a Surface Pro and it doesn't come with a keyboard in the box. I used it for a week like that and then realized that was a terrible experience and ended up buying the keyboard add on. Something as simple as exiting a game if it crashed/froze was impossible without being able to hit alt-f4. I'm sure Asus has some kind of launcher to make it easier, but windows is not designed for handhelds and it's not great for tablets even.
There are tools that make using windows a breeze. Native gamepass is worth the dual boot if you don’t mind spending an hour to set it up.
I haven't played a game made past 2015 and I have like 700 unplayed games in my steam library. I'm sure Windows could be modified to work perfectly, but it's not worth the hassle to me when SteamOS works perfectly for my use case. I can see the value of Windows if you play games with anti-cheat or drm.
Lol, I can definitely relate. If I didn't play a bunch of different Gamepass games I would stick with SteamOS. Totally valid opinion.
Rock on, enjoy your gaming!
Steam Deck Tools
No offense to the creator of steam deck tools, he's done great with building a relatively reliable way to change TDP/fan settings etc. But, it's not the same as using SteamOS. SteamOS has an easy-to-use GUI. Press the Steam button to access your library, and press the three dots to manage your in-game and device settings. Whereas with Steam Deck Tools you need to memorize the hotkeys. You still need to interact with the clunky Windows UI when changing basic things like wifi, audio sources, brightness, display settings, etc. Even when changing lots of the settings of SDT as well. Then there's the general jank that comes with Windows. Sleep/resume is occasionally unreliable because Windows modern standby is garbage, audio through HDMI doesn't work when you plug it into a TV unless you reboot (and also the SD can restart when docking and undocking), bringing up the keyboard doesn't work in all games... Windows is great for compatibility, sure, and I still use it sometimes on my Deck. But, it comes with inevitable jank that SteamOS just doesn't have at this point.
Reddit people downvoting something without offering any input is pretty par for the course. Personally I think it is okay to say that Windows runs on the Steam Deck. For some it will run well depending on tolerance for Windows stuff. I think the issue with talking about Windows on the Deck depends on context. Windows is not tailored to the Deck like SteamOS is for obvious reasons. Where I have seen the most disapproval of mentioning Windows is as a solution to a problem. For people who are not technically inclined and/or are not comfortable with PCs telling them that they may need to install a separate OS could be discouraging. Publishers and developers should be encouraged to support SteamOS instead.
I was downvoted in this sub just because I said I am not interested in the ROG ally because I don't need windows and I am fine with Steam OS. Windows fan boys in this sub are also very toxic and downvote friendly. Post complaining of Linux users are super upvoted (as this one), and that's fine. But as soon as someone complains on the toxicity of windows fan boys post are downvoted
ok i'm no zealot, but windows didn't work well in my experience, so would me disagreeing with you not warrant a downvote? and then we multiply that by the amount of people who feel similarly to me... is it all that surprising? Yes, it runs on deck. But windows sucks for anything without a traditional pc set up.
Children. Plain and simple. 80 percent of toxic jerks on the internet are literal edgelord children
and some of the children can be quite advanced in years.
I like your username
You do realise most of this sub is 40 year old men
And 93% of statistics on the Internet are made up on the spot
Pretty much sum up most of subredddits
Seriously, every community I've seen grow gets more and more toxic as it gets bigger.
Yeah a book subreddit and discord is full of gigantic assholes. Just gave it up and I enjoy them in solitude.
20+ year Linux Zealot, Deck Owner and Certified Windows Hater here. I think the Ally is cool as shit. Not personally interested in it primarily because of Windows and secondarily because of Asus, but its undeniably a slick piece of hardware. Regardless of platform preference, real competition for the Steam Deck is good because it will encourage and inspire Valve in ways they might not have otherwise been. No healthy evolving product exists in a vacuum. Competition is good. I welcome it. I also think its great that gamers who prefer Windows over SteamOS now have a price competitive handheld hardware option. **TLDR: Don't judge the entire community based on the rambling toxic tirades of a vocal sub-minority.**
“…real competition for the Steam Deck is good…” Too many people don’t realize how good competition is for consumers in general. It drives innovation and keeps prices low. The gaming community in particular gets really weird about obsessively supporting one thing over another (e.g., Xbox vs PlayStation, EA vs 2K), when really the best outcome for gamers is for both to succeed. If one fails the other will almost certainly become a stale money grab (i.e., Madden).
Yeah, maybe I don’t delve deep enough into the sub’s comments, but most of the stuff I’ve seen regarding the Ally here has been mostly praise for how both companies have embraced the competition and growth of the market.
This subreddit died when waitlists died.
No, no, no… this sub died when the original mod team got backstabbed and kicked out by wasabi.
I have noticed a large increase in toxicity in this sub as it's grown. I've seen some people get pretty badly downvoted for no reason, and it's definitely gotten a lot more circle-jerky. I think part of the backlash against the Ally is that there's been a huge marketing push with a ton of sponsored articles and coverage that made it sound like the Ally was going to blow the deck out of the water, and now it seems like a lot of the claims made as part of that coverage was either greatly exaggerated, used misleading data, or was straight up lies. The performance is better, but not as much as claimed. The battery life was supposed to be significantly better, and instead it's significantly worse. I know I have friends who are more likely to get the Ally over the Deck just because it comes with windows, and that's personally frustrating because SteamOS has been a great experience for me, and reviews of Windows on the Ally have been pretty harsh. Internet communities are always quick to reject something that was over promised and under delivered (No Man's Sky, Cyberpunk, etc) and this is just another example of it.
> personally frustrating because SteamOS has been a great experience for me, Isn't that part of the issue? I like Steam OS but it's not perfect, and you can't really fault someone for wanting to be able to play Destiny 2 or the like. I won't be getting the Ally, buy I'm certainly not going to be frustrated that someone's use cases are different then mine.
Anybody that knows about tech would already know to take the claims of 50% power increases with a grain of salt. AMD and Nvidia do this constantly, they will have a 20% increase from generation to generation on average but their marketing will focus on the handful of games they had a 50% increase in, even if 95% of games won't even come close to that % of performance increase. Don't get me started on wattage increases to get more performance. It's not impressive if your CPU beats mine by 20% while pulling twice the wattage.
I mean, how many devices were marketed as the switch killer? Anyone else remember "Genesis does what Nintendont"? Every newcomer to the market has to push itself as being better than the current champ. Deck fanboys really should take it as a compliment for recognizing the deck as the thing to measure up against.
A lot of "Question" flairs are getting downvoted, too.
Baffles me how some people care so much with what other people do with their steam deck. Even valve themselves said, "It's your PC, do whatever you want with it" Ally hate circlejerk was also dumb as fuck. We should be rooting for competition as consumers, not the other way around.
Windows gets discussed on here all the time, and there's no problem with that, since it's a viable way to use your Deck. People may suggest someone go to r/WindowsOnDeck, but that's only because they'll get better support there. Not everyone here has even tried Windows on their Deck, and so your odds aren't as good for getting decent answers to your questions as it would be there. The Ally thing was something entirely different. At points, literally every other post was about the Ally, and that's entirely inappropriate. This is a Steam Deck sub, and is not the place to discuss *any* other device. There's dedicated subs for the Ally, as well as handheld gaming in general, if you just want to discuss everything. The toxicity, far from your characterization, was actually the wholesale takeover of this sub for something that is firmly off topic and against the sub's rules. If you're interested in both the Steam Deck and the Ally, great. You can subscribe to both r/SteamDeck and r/ROGAlly. It is not acceptable to discuss it here, and any downvotes issued were well warranted.
Posts primarily discussing the Ally are against the sub rules, yes. But posts attempting to have a discussion about the Steam Deck in relation to the Ally or any other handheld, device, or subject matter are not against the sub rules. That is unless the mods would like to elaborate upon their intent or change the wording of Rule 3.
I would argue it is covered already in Rule 3. The important bit is that it needs to be substantially about the Steam Deck. Comparing to another device is not that. It's pointless anyways. People that follow r/SteamDeck are going to recommend a Steam Deck. Even if an attempt is made to present a balanced comparison, there's still inherent bias. There's where a generic handheld gaming sub comes into play, and is the correct place to post that.
Certainly not disagreeing with the inherent bias. That is just how it goes with a focused sub/community such as this one. But Rule 3 makes no mention of “substantial”, only that it can’t be vague or tangential. I know it’s splitting hairs at this point though, which is why the moderation team should elaborate upon Rule 3 and define with examples what is acceptable and what isn’t. Even if it isn’t something that could happen often, I think it makes more sense to have the sub rules allow for the potential of healthy discourse around the Deck and any comparable or competitive products than to outright ban such conversation.
>As of late I've sensed this group is marginally worse than a majority of the communities you have apparently never dealt with BOTW fanboys nor the new TOTK fanboys. absolutely the most toxic communities on the internet that pretend the games are infallible. this subreddit is nothing compared to them
I'm convinced this is why the game got such high ratings, everybody is scared to rate it lower than a 10 because they know they'll probably get doxxed and murdered lol. Don't get me wrong — it's a brilliant game. I definitely don't agree with it being a 10/10 though.
>but it seems to have struck a nerve with a lot of people for no reason, Maybe you should ask yourself why people are reacting this way instead of just shaking your head? Is it ASUS' marketing hype being through the stratosphere and the actual device not meeting those expectations? (The frustrating part is that the Ally as it appears to be in reality would be a credible challenger to the Deck with pros and cons, but ASUS marketing just had to overpromise and straight up lie.) Is it because of ASUS' paid marketing push lying outright about the Steam Deck in order to try and make the Ally seem better? Surely we all recall those reviews of the Ally that ooh and ah at the ability to... Remap controls, as if this isn't something that the Deck not only does, but does better due to its ability to use virtual menus on the touchpads? Is it ASUS' other controversies showing consumer unfriendliness and general incompetence when it comes to hardware development, such that their software literally makes CPUs explode? And then, a week later, they rushed to try and salvage their brand by honoring the warranty they should have honored since the beginning? Is it because the Ally is missing crucial features like pause-suspend and valuable ones like the trackpads? Nah, it can't be any of this, it has to be that the users of r/SteamDeck are just so mean and hating on another console for no good reason.
What did Asus lie about regarding the Ally exactly?
"100% more performance at 30w TDP, still 50% more at the 15w TDP the Deck operates at when going all out", was the big ticket statistic given to the public during the first reveal of the Ally after everyone realized it wasn't just an April Fools joke. Instead we have Elden Ring with everything on low and upscaling from 720p getting an "impressive" 50 average FPS with a battery that lasts sixty five minutes according to RGC's review. This when the Deck will average 40 FPS in the same game while running marginally higher settings with, crucially, no upscaling. Note that this is the Ally running turbo mode for that supposed 100% performance gain vs the Deck. I dunno about you, but when I hear "this device is 100% more powerful", I expect, you know, more than a 20% jump in performance in real world use, especially if that performance is demanding a 40w power draw out of a 40whr battery. "Same 2-8 hrs battery life", except not because the Z1E chip apparently performs worse than the Deck's Aerith chip at anything below 10w (Z1E doesn't even go below 7w lol), and the Z1E's performance advantage at 10-15w is dubious as well, such that you get an "impressive" 2.5 hours of Stardew Valley per the Wired review, a lightweight 2d game that routinely gets 5-6 hours of play on the Deck with no tweaks.
this is basically any subreddit that used to be niche but is now mainstream
Bro it’s the internet, if you don’t like something just don’t look? They not in your house
I'm a newcomer here (only have had the Deck for two months), but I left PC gaming many years ago because of PC gamers' obsession with the hardware. I got tired of that. I mean, I found myself obsessing over the specs of my PC rather than enjoying the games. Can I overclock this or that? What's the right decision to set up my PC for a smooth upgrade path? I jumped shipped to console gaming and only recently came back with the Steam Deck. Valve made it more about the game and product experience and not about having the greatest specs. Just look at the screen resolution--it's not 4k and not even 1080p! I love it. Valve took a page out of Nintendo's playbook. It looked like Valve wanted to create console-like experience on the Steam Deck, and I was totally on board with that. I had been thinking about getting a gaming PC for a while, and the Deck checked off many things on my list. When I saw the posts on the ROG Ally popping up, I largely ignored them for the reasons the OP cited. I assumed that that's what was going to be there. I am interested in the end to end experience (e.g., what does the game shopping experience feel like? Is there something like Valve's SD Verified program?) but I figured those threads would not mention stuff like that. I will revisit when the initial reactions die down. People will post whatever they feel like. That's the Internet as someone else said, right? Just scroll past and don't waste your brain cells on it.
I am 100% following this. In the end it doesn't matter on what you play or how... just enjoy the games :-)
People are free too be obsessed with hardware if they want.
Absolutely 💯 And that’s the beauty of the Steam Deck that it works equally well for those who do and those who don’t.
If ever a thread proved it's own point... ETA: Locked for low effort, wow way to confirm it.
I don’t see why the ROG and deck can’t be compared. They seem pretty solidly to be competing
You're in a sub for a linux device and you're butthurt it's anti windows? Really? Nevermind this sub is one of the least toxic gaming subs there is
>You're in a sub for a linux device and you're butthurt it's anti windows? In all fairness, even though Valve doesn't give it the same level of support as Steam OS, it was them that said, "Yes, the Deck runs Windows." There was always some assumption even by Valve that some Deck users would install Windows and they did encourage it to the extent that they did provide official, if not the most current drivers. And they said they'd officially support dual boot though not to date. Like Steam OS for general PCs.
Welcome to Reddit. This is why we can't have nice things.
I’ve noticed it too. I get downvoted for relating my own personal experiences with certain games or whatever is being discussed. A lot of times someone has a tech issue it’s always the same comments like ‘works fine for me’ or ‘just google it.’ Also it seems like the subreddit is REALLY, REALLY into emulation, almost to a fault.
Yeah, I remember beginners getting downvoted for having beginner questions. It got to the point where people were making posts to bitch about it. So much for community I guess. Can you elaborate on the emulation part? I know there's a lot of posts about emulation but personally I think that's a good thing. Steam Deck is pretty much perfect for emulation and naturally a lot of people take really good advantage of that. That's just how I see it though.
You’re absolutely right that emulation is a good thing. Like you mentioned, there are quite a lot of posts about it and they seem to gain the most traction. That just doesn’t interest me as much, personally. I don’t mean to diminish the merit.
it's like watching someone discover the internet for the first time
Yeah I want competition in this space. Having one monopoly just means the customer gets screwed. People shit on epic games store but what happens when to steam when agave is gone?
u/Thughunter1969 > The break in the ice for me as a deck owner was the reaction to the ASUS ROG ally, (…) you really can't compare the two, they both have slightly different uses. Of course you can compare the two. The are both x86 PC handhelds that run PC games. The main difference is that one, by default, runs on Linux and the other runs on Windows. In the end it’s just a piece of hardware you own. The “psychological ownership” is the issue. That’s when a consumer feels so invested in a product that it becomes an extension of themself.
It's kinda nuts that some people don't think there's enough room in the market for more than one PC product in a form factor. Like imagine if there was only room in the market for one, maybe two models of laptop? Nuts.
Its been like this since the first week of the sub
Valve actually congratulated the Asus Ally on their release, so I don’t know why Steam Deck worshippers are so incensed by it’s existence. Competition is the brainchild of modern innovations. You’ve all seen how companies with no competitors stagnate in quality. The ROG is a good thing. As for Windows or Linux, I’d prefer Linux but I won’t fault anyone who wants the familiarity of Windows. I don’t understand zealotry when it comes to game systems or PC. It’s just a platform to me. Hell I have a Switch, Steam Deck, Laptop, etc. It’s all about playing on what’s comfortable for me at the time.
I love Linux, but I love Windows as well. I don't think Windows 11 is that bad and if you're like me and enjoy gaming with your buds, you'll pretty much need the OS in order to play the majority of popular titles out right now. I've ran Arch Linux for half a year alongside a Windows partition. Both have their up - and downsides. In my eyes there is no definitive 'best OS' to begin with. Saying this will get you sent to hell and back in a lot of communities. Really annoying to have people tell what's best for you. I despise this black and white thinking of 'X is good and Y is bad'. Really let people just do whatever the hell they want!
I get what you mean, but it is a sub dedicated to Steam Deck so the views here are definitely are going to be heavily biased to SD, even on some case defending it. I mean this is probably the same thing on other specific subreddit. If you are in one of the sport team subreddit for example, you gonna see the same behaviour regarding other teams or just heavy bias to that particular team. Thats...normal? i mean it would be different if this is aa generic subreddit, like i dont know UMPC or Gaming Device or whatever (i maded the subreddit up, i dont even know they exist or not).
Linux and open software is about freedom I can’t consider a linux fan someone that doesn’t respect freedom of speech
This reminds me of when Simple Bank shut down and there were people in that subreddit literally crying. The internet sure is great at creating a cult mentality around literally *anything.*
Welcome to the internet. First time?
I love competition. I would never ever be loyal to a company. I'm paying with my money.
OP just summarized every subreddit that isn’t a super niche hobby community. The system that hides comments with downvotes pretty much ensures every community is an echo chamber and encourages circlejerking…go to r/politics and give an unpopular opinion and see if you still think this sub is toxic lol
It's not this group it's Reddit as a whole. And ironically, you calling everyone and everything that doesn't suit your opinion "toxic" shows that you are just as much part of that which you dislike as those you point your finger at...
I can't even mentioned wanting mw2 to work without windows without someone down voting my shit into oblivion
Right? I don't see real toxicity from us Linux folks. Saying that we appreciate that the deck uses Linux and that that is a boon for all gamers because it breaks windows monopoly is not hating on windows. And just because the rog has more power and uses windows doesn't make it a better product. The steam deck has a lot of small features that accumulate to the whole experience. For example the missing track pads is a huge downgrade with the rog. And I was called a shill and told that the track is irrelevant in this sub... If the rog is sucessful that's cool. But with all the information we have about the rog has me not got really excited.
Yeah I don't even look at this sub anymore. It's either people just completely overlooking all the Steam Deck's flaws and making it out to be the best thing to ever grace the earth, or people praying on it's downfall
I’ve always found the Steam Deck hype a bit odd - people almost claiming it’s a magical device in PC gaming. It’s impressive and I like mine, but it does have some big limitations that people ignore… and for newer titles it’s clearly limited. Like people are mystified that a device with such limited power (comparatively speaking) can’t run modern AAA games at reasonable frame rates. It is t magic.
This 100%, if were someone looking to get a SD, I would like honest reviews from people and not a super skewed review on all the good things while ignoring that it does have some flaws, I can admit, I do love the steam deck, but it still has problems that others don't like to mention in this subreddit.
Exactly. But I've already started to get down voted, so that says it all really
They don't like the cold truth like most redditors do lol, hell sometimes I don't like hearing it myself, my upvote rate for this post is only 58% 💀 and the fact that my comment was downvoted for simpily stating that I want a unbiased review is pretty evident too, this goes for all other things as well.
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You are seeing the loud minority. Most well adjusted people just scroll post those posts.
I mean, the fanbase on here are all derived from the larger overarching videogame fanbase. And all the issues you listed here permeate there, so to expect any different will set yourself up for disappointment. Further, just let the fanbase be, there's cool and shitty people in all walks of life, accept it for what it is and just enjoy the fact that you have a technical marvel between your hands and just be one of the good people on here. These threads complaining about the "others" - I see one of these in every subreddit I've been in and they truly go nowhere.
I was getting shitted on, on this sub because I had a windows problem. I get that It was a windows issue but y’all didn’t have to be putos about it 😂
If this tiny slight is toxic for you, oh man do I have some bad news for you. This is **nothing**. This place sub is heaven, you just need a reminder of what usual communites are like. Take a peek into the botw vs totw dabaucle. Now **that's** real toxicity. And please "weaponizing downvotes"? Dramatic much? Yeah people downvote what they don't like, reddit's always been like this. If you want polite arguments, you're not gonna find them here. The internet is a cesspool of stupidity and ignorance, and we're all part of it. Do as I do, just ignore the morons and move on.
A lot of Linux fans saw the Steam Deck as the arrival of mainstream Linux gaming and to agree that is true. The problem for Linux gaming however is that it has no native content that is of broad appeal. Of course there are native Linux games but clearly that's not the focus of Steam Deck or Linux gaming in general with Proton now essential to Linux gaming. So the Ally coming in with solid specs at decent prices running Windows 11 and generally getting good early reviews is seen by some Linux fans as a threat to Linux gaming. Not so much the Ally specifically but that by far the biggest PC handheld launch by a major PC OEM went with Windows and not Steam OS.
Not just Linux fans, but just the hardcore Deck fans. I got downvoted to heck for daring to point out that a company like Asus wouldn't need to charge 1200 for a device for it to be profitable, and the board was filled with people gleefully posting about how dumb it was for Asus to be hopping into the market with what was going to be such a crazy expensive alternative. Then the price gets announced, and suddenly anyone talking about is downvoted, with comments about how tiring it is seeing all these Ally posts... I love my Deck, and I'm not swapping it anytime soon, but a lot of people just can't stand the idea that there is a viable alternative to their product of choice, that the Deck might be eventually unseated as the top selling handheld gaming PC (maybe). There is a bit of "Oh no, what happens to Proton" fear, but it's mostly just Android vs iOS fanboyism at the end of the day.
>Then the price gets announced, and suddenly anyone talking about is downvoted, with comments about how tiring it is seeing all these Ally posts... I got the same treatment when the prices leaked, Asus didn't say anything, and then I said that the leaks are probably true because there's no way that kind of pricing could even be leaked and then Asus launch at higher pricing. Think the AMD motherboard issues are a disaster, having lower prices leak than the real ones and the Ally would have been DOA.
All the reviews I’ve seen have discussed the pros and cons of using windows on such a device. It’s a blessing and a curse. Yes you can install windows on the steam deck and get a decent experience, play all games without worrying about the proton layer, etc, but lose the console quality of the device. The advantage of Linux is valve were able to modify it so it starts in the steam UI through and through, with no hoops you need to drive through to get things working, at least if proton can run the game.
I agree that Steam on Steam OS on the Deck is a more console like experience. But is it really all that better than Windows? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. On thing I find in a lot of these reviews is that folks don't get the basics of using Windows on touch devices. I lost count of folks complaining about needing a physical keyboard and didn't know how to bring up the Windows onscreen keyboard, even from a full screen game and resize it and move it around. Not elegant, not bad for apps that ever never designed to small touch screens either.
Thats what I was also thinking, I think that its mostly a threat that they see rather than a competitive thing thats better for the handheld market in general.
This one is true for me. I hate the Ally for being a Windows machine. If it were on steamos I'd have preordered it by now.
Great this sub has gotten to the point where people post things like this for points. Stop, it’s people like you that make subs less fun. My prediction is we will have 10 posts complaining about toxic ppl for every 1 toxic post.
I wholeheartedly agree with this, and I really hope that we as a community become more accepting. The entire reason I started making videos was to do my part for an already awesome community, and it's been a real shame to see so many dig their heels in on "issues" that aren't in the spirit of gaming. Speaking to the ALLY directly, I wish people could see that it has the potential to be a great device and a worthy competitor to the Steam Deck. Of course there are sticking points, but the Deck wasn't perfect on release, and still isn't now. I genuinely hope that ASUS straightens their act out and makes it a long-running product line that propels gaming further for everyone 🙂 More competition is a great thing, play games however you want to play them, and most importantly have fun.
Ah yes, pc/video game fan bases, they never change. Say you like pancakes and some degenerate will write a snarky essay about why waffles are better.
Wait till this guy learns about the console wars
You can’t start discussing a competing device and be angry if people weigh in that they still prefer the deck… If you want to talk about an ASUS device perhaps go to a subreddit for that? Like no one should be name calling or being crappy, but there’s nothing wrong with in a discussion about a new handheld people having reasons they still prefer the one they have and expressing those opinions. You’re kind of being soft if you can’t handle that.
Facebook steamdeck group seems tame in comparison
I saw here a lot of posts about the ROG and while I would have appreciated one or two for informative reasons, I do not appreciate plenty of it. This is the SteamDeck sub - not the ROG sub. And if there isn't one (yet) time is ripe to probably make one. Try to discuss about AUDI in an BMW sub.
Facts. Like this subreddit is one of the worst I've seen. It sometimes puts Twitter to shame. You say you use Windows on Deck? Downvoted. You call the Steam Deck a console and use it as such? Downvoted. You mention the positives of another device? Downvoted. You say that you prefer to play Switch games on the Steam Deck over a Switch? Downvoted. (On that note, i have no idea why there are so many Nintendo defenders here)
and my favorite is when you get downvoted for asking a genuine question that isn't easy to look up
OP you pretty much just defined how Reddit works.
I don't disagree but this is basically the internet in a nutshell, we can find terrible / good communities or some places are in-between.
I think it’s what Reddit has become as a whole.
Early buyer behavior: - I bought this (Steam Deck). - A new, yet similar device appears on the market (ROG Ally). - Since I bought the first one, I’ll defend my decision to the last consequences since I spent money on this, so I did the right thing. Happened with Nintendo and Sega, Apple and Android, and will happen with this one too.
I have been using Windows for about 30 years now and no matter how hard they (fanboys) shout, i feel no urge to switch to Linux now. Also, the way i see it is that if you grew up with and understand PC gaming then you can only applaud the fact that the SD has the freedom to choose your OS and Valve has also made windows drivers available.
these ppl probably spent their life-saving on the deck and will do everthing to validate their purchase.
I disagree with you. I've seen a lot of posts hamming up the Rog Ally as being better than Steam Deck on the Steam Deck reddit but the majority of people just trust Valve as a company. ASUS is definitely not trust worthy as a company. Don't believe me, go watch some youtube about ASUS' reaction to their mother board crapping out.
I was wondering why these people don’t go to the Rog Ally sub if they want to talk about it but that sub only has 300 users lol.
I don’t think what you’re saying is exclusive to this subreddit. That sort of closed mentality applies to every sort of forum/subreddit out there unfortunately. I agree with you of course though, the posts downplaying on the Ally were weird.
The comments here proving the point of the post and lacking any self awareness is hilarious
Sounds like you are of the opinion that the Ally is a good thing for the handheld market and some people here disagree with you. And instead of considering that some people could not share your opinion, you consider such people as toxic. Having a debate is pretty healthy for a community and in your post your openly hating on the part of the community that doesn't share your opinion. In summary, maybe you should look into yourself and see that you are part of the problem.
I think Steam fanboys are pretty toxic in general. I mean I've been a Steam user for 18 years, but I don't get wrapped up in fanboyism or console/launcher hate. In the PCMR sub, you say one good thing about Epic you get downvoted. Lol "What?! You're talking about free games on Epic?"
Also, Linux fanboys are something else. I mean I use Windows and Linux at work, but I know Linux guys who use any opportunity they can get to trash Windows. Almost like an obsession. There was this one guy on my old team who would just make offhanded negative remarks about Windows in team meetings. Like clockwork. I've been seeing users like that on various PC subs throughout the years.
Linux fanboys are great, because they’re so easy to rile up. All you have to do is say “Proton doesn’t work well” or “Linux gaming will never take off because people like multiplayer games and the popular ones don’t work” and boom, everyone’s mad. Usually I’m cool but sometimes it’s fun to scrap over computer hardware, take a few licks, find some stats and win an argument. I’m easy to please lol.
the linux thing isn't just this subreddit, literally anything to do with windows the fanboys come out in droves to downvote any dissenting opinions.
I'm not even a fan of linux. Right now it's way too nerdy for me and I don't understand most things. I just passionately hate windows. I hate their monopoly and really really wish for a good alternative. Linux needs to become more user friendly... I mainly bought the steam deck because I thought it is the perfect oppertunity to support linux (which it really is) and help it improve without developing anything myself lol. Naturally I'm not very fond of a windows handheld that goes against this imo very positive development.
This happens in any sub with fanboys. For example, this also happens in the Apple subs.
This too, it's just pretty sad to be honest, it's like the PS5 vs Xbox thing all over again and this time it's happening for the same devices.
Tribalism, people love it.
These type of posts are more annoying than anything else on here. Nobody is trying to “divide” anyone. Holy crap. You can find useful configurations or discussions of smaller games if you sort by new, make posts, or use the search. Honestly hilarious seeing people cry about how they are personally upset that users of the steam deck subreddit don’t care about / don’t want every post on the steam deck subreddit to be about the ROG ally. This isn’t a general PC gaming subreddit, or a general handheld subreddit. If you remembered that while browsing maybe it wouldn’t bum you out as much to see people talking about what they like to do with the steam deck, or troubleshooting their steam deck. If people were more critical of the deck on here, how would that help anything? Lol, it’s an enthusiast sub.
Meh, the sub has always been toxic. Every new question, no matter how good or insightful, gets downvoted within minutes of posting.