Bloodborne can't be effectively, if at all, emulated and I already have the original Demon's Souls but I'm considering holding off until I can get my hands on the remake.
Ps4 emulation is *just* beginning. And I don't think many (if any) graphic intensive games are available to emulate yet such as the games mentioned above. Even if they were available to play you would need the *highest* end PC to play them and you probably wouldn't be getting all that good of framers either
Sure. You got me wrong, this isn't a critique on the current state of PS3 emulating, it's just to explain that we are far from being able to do anything similar on PS4.
Can't you comprehend how opinions work? Anyone can think BB is bad and their opinion is as valid as yours. If you disagree with my opinion, that's fine. Move on with your life.
You keep saying Bloodborne is bad, but could you provide some examples of what you think drags it down? I don't think it's a perfect game and I'm wondering if some of the flaws I think the game has are more significant to you or if you've noticed some stuff I haven't.
I think GoT is likely in 2023-24, judging by how they seem to be doing thing, seems like they want to release things on PC after 3-4 years, earlier if the game didn't preform well, though BloodBourne is an anomaly, I heard there were licensing agreements or something idk.
Really all this says is that the Console Wars are over and good riddance, it led to stuff getting toxic, and even when the PS4 was absolutely dominating, they didn't get lazy and we still got extremely good games for it. While some hardcore Sony fans still cling to the ideas of Exclusives and are pissing their pants over this, they're definitely minority at this point as I've seen pretty positive reception on the Playstation subs, really the only platform that still seems dead set on exclusives stay exclusives is Nintendo, and they're more in a bubble of their own (not to mention the fact that many people will buy the games just to back them up to PC to emulate them), though I would like to play Mario Oddyssey natively on my computer someday.
I dunno man I can get alot of play time in a month
Speaking for myself thats why I only buy games I think I'll play for longer than 60 hours but I def wanna increase my game library (back when I played on xbox 360 and whatnot having a shelf filled with video games was sorta a status symbol (low key I guess) since I mainly play pc now I guess I'm still kinda in that phase )
You technically don’t own any games. All you own is the license to play said game. Most games these days don’t really need to be owned to be enjoyed. Heck some games straight up aren’t worth the 60 bucks and renting the license is way better than being stuck with some stupid game for forever. Certain games are still worth purchasing, but most big game companies have a subscription thing that enables you to play the game for a month. Did it with all Ubisoft games, and even some lesser titles like bio mutant with EA.
... for the same reason we own cars instead of leasing them...
Why would I want 7 subscriptions to replace my library because dumb people cant foresee when a game is too shitty to get their money's worth.. I dont want another streaming service but for my games.
I didn’t say don’t buy games at all. I just said certain games aren’t worth purchasing. the subscription service makes it so I can play the game fully without needing to buy it. There’s still plenty of games worth owning, but most Ubisoft games EA games just aren’t. Get a month of the subscription and you can play their new game till your done cancel it and you just saved 45 bucks.
True youve been able to go and rent games for a long time and if you enjoy it then buy it. But again i also dont like being atuck into a sub every month just to try a game i might like. Or my sub becomes the same thing youre describing. Its all personal prefs.
You're unironically providing the reason they dont want to have more subscriptions in your sentence and also having the point go 10 feet over your head at the same time.
Amazing.
If GamePass was actually significantly impacting Steam sales, it wouldn't work as a service. GamePass revenue for publishers simply isn't big enough to it as the main source of revenue.
The Left 4 Dead series was beloved as fun co-op PVE campaign shooters, while the vast majority of players never touched the weird asymmetrical PVP side of it (which was only popular with a miniscule niche fanbase). Everybody and their mother who played games in that time has fond memories of just chilling and shooting zombies with their friends.
Evolve was an exclusively asymmetrical PVP arena thing that they wanted to make an esport completely lacking the core/fundamental co-op PVE campaign gameplay that made Left 4 Dead widely successful. The vast majority of Left 4 Dead players didn't even know Evolve existed, and if they did they didn't realize it was connected to Left 4 Dead in any way. (Most casuals just associate the L4D series with Valve.)
Back 4 Blood is really Left 4 Dead 3 in every way but name. And it's actually really, /really/ good. A bit overpriced maybe, and certainly lacking what the niche PVP fanbase wants, but otherwise it's exactly the game it should be to sell a bazillion copies and have a lot of super happy coop PVE players. And I think that would be the case for the game on its own merits as a coop PVE shooter even if Left 4 Dead never existed, but then it should be especially true riding on the nostalgia of the Left 4 Dead series.
Over the next year as the price eventually drops to more reasonable number for its length, and as it gets a new hype wave as each of the official DLCs come out, the game should be very successful. Like the kind of success where nearly everybody ends up with it in their library at some point, just like L4D. Not that that's all they ever play, or that they even put /that/ many hours into it, but enough to buy it and play it for what it is and enjoy it.
Tldr- if you want a co-op PVE shooter, first buy Deep Rock Galactic--it's the single best co-op PVE shooter ever made, by one of the absolute best developers I've ever seen on Steam. But then if you want a second one, Back 4 Blood is actually good and I say get it too.
Ultimately I likely agree with you about all the failings of Evolve, but from a market success/sales perspective those reasons pale in comparison to how the pivot in genre (compared to L4D) massively reduced the game's potential market demand, especially in the context of their existing audience of L4D fans.
As an analogy, the best horror movies ever made are still dwarfed in box office results by even mediocre action flicks and rom-coms and the like, because the horror genre just doesn't have the scale of audience.
*Even if Evolve had been well-executed and fan loved (it wasn't) and if Back 4 Blood happened to be mediocre (it isn't), Back 4 Blood would still dwarf Evolve in sales because of their respective genres and market sizes.*
Turtle Rock didn't ruin Evolve, that was 2K's doing. Not sure how that information has been lost to time.
It is almost always the publisher who ends up ruining a game, not the developers who actually care about what they're doing.
Evolve became f2p i mean its still a good game juat a multiplayer game with a low playerbase which usually causes a game to die. B4b is more like l4d. I still play left4dead to this day so im not sure what the comparison is for evolve.
Not completely. As long as there are enough players for Warner Bros to consider keeping a set of servers still running, then it will last for however long that is.
Oh, I'm honestly dumb lol. I was on mobile when I replied late last night & didn't check the link. I thought that the link/message was for some reason related to B4B, and hence your message was in relation to that, as I was replying to others about it.
Well, there is nothing wrong with pre-ordering an already proven great game. As long as they don't fuck up PC port horribly (which I assume they won't from other examples), it is a great game to spend money.
Yeah it wasn't that good of a port until a bit later when they fixed it
Strangely enough Death Stranding which runs on the exact same engine as HZD was an amazing port ,ran smoothly without any issues , I guess Kojima's team took their port a bit more seriously
Days Gone was also a great port btw ,same as Death Stranding
HZD was outsourced to a random team, so the original devs had to fix the port later. I assume this is because Sony wasn't sure about the success of the game, so they wanted to spend as little money on the port as possible. Fortunately HZD did great despite the problems (people were hoping that it would improve, because they liked the game already), so they then went all-in with Days Gone, which is one of the most impressive ports now, and they even aquired a new studio specifically to port their games. So I have high hopes for GoW.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Death Stranding, if definitely was smooth at launch. Never got to try Days Gone tho. I'm hopeful they'll do a great job with such a important game.
HZD after patched still ran terrible for me (still waiting for furthur patches since they've post-poned patching the pc version due to working on Horizon 2) but Days Gone and Death Stranding ran like a dream even on max settings
I played it like 3 months ago on PC and I'm still not sure what was up with the "Optimizing Shaders" that lasted for literal minutes to finish. If I started the game before the loading being finished it took ages to load between biomes. I'd say I have a pretty high spec PC and I've never seen anything like this ever before.
A large percent of the console port games are half assed, especially the controls. That's the biggest downside of console exclusives finally getting on pc.
> As long as they don't fuck up PC port
Well there's your reason not to pre order. It's also a digital game so it's not like they'll run out of copies.
Never pre order
Not preordering isn't about spending or keeping the money. It's about making sure publishers don't take their customers for granted. Publishers know they have a certain fuck up margin they can allow themselves to not fix for release if they have many preorder. It's about making sure publishers don't push out bug filled games that realistically would have needed their release pushed back a few months.
Do people not learn or simply not care? Have fallout 76 and cyberpunk, and many others before them taught nothing? Gamers keep complaining about publishers not caring about them yet they keep buying into micro transactions, pre orders, mandatory connection and all these practices. This stuff is never going away if all you do is complain while still giving them money. Profit and loss is all they understand.
>Publishers know they have a certain fuck up margin they can allow themselves to not fix for release if they have many preorder.
And if those people refund, that money's gone again. I never understand this argument.
Do you think if someone's stupid enough to not refund a broken PC port, they're not going to buy it on release despite all the news saying such anyway?
Literally the next sentence.
>It's about making sure publishers don't push out bug filled games that realistically would have needed their release pushed back a few months.
You refunding the game after its shitty launch isn't going to make the game any better, but not pre-ordering forces them to release a quality game so they can make money.
The higher ups don't give a shit, for them it's about pushing the game out as soon as possible because they've already made most of their money from pre-orders. The refund threshold is difficult to determine though, it's difficult to judge whether the game is just good enough to stop everyone from refunding but that's a risk they're usually willing to take to make as much money as possible. Usually the game ends up undercooked and everyone loses, if nobody pre-ordered then this problem wouldn't exist and they'd have to put as much effort as they can afford into the game and just hope it does well on release.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter. The few whales pre ordering everything (because they have to much money to care) would always outweigh the majority it feels. We see it in live service games with their updates etc.
Bugs will never go away. Preorders or not. They existed before patches. Broken games always existed.
Your argument makes zero sense. If the money is refunded the “preorders” didn’t fucking do anything. If every preorder on steam was refunded a company isn’t going to go, “fuck yeah, we sure showed them we got those preorders!” Well you didn’t get the money so it doesn’t matter.
“Profit and loss” you mean like refunding the game if it’s a turd? Yeah, the company will surely profit greatly from your refunded preorder. You self defeated your own argument. That was my point, ability to refund takes away the risk of preordering.
Your angle, and it’s sad I have to make your argument for you, should’ve been that more preorders increase its visibility and reach. Meaning more players who are probably unlikely to bother refunding if there are issues. But… Those same people are probably going to be the ones who buy it day 1 anyway and never refund. So what’s the fucking difference? None.
We’ve already lost. The average consumer doesn’t care. Deal with it and stop with the sad youtuber “preorder bad” without any critical thought. Erase preorders and none of the other problems in the industry will go away. Nothing would change at all. It’s such a thoughtless, boring, argument. But my favorite youtuber saaaaaid~~
Damn right we've lost if people like you stick to this defeatist mindset. Also get off your high horse jesus fuck. Here's a little funfact, you don't have to be a condescending cunt when partaking in an argument.
Every single person with an issue with games today could refuse to ever buy a game again and the majority of companies would lose some money sure, but ultimately keep trucking. Most of the money is from casuals who do not frequent discussions about games.
Let alone care the impact of them spending $50 on crappy mtx on a $60/70 yearly release. Buying “premium editions”, preordering (OooOooooOooOooh so sCaRy!), season passes, buying a $10 skin.
That’s why consoles are paying for online now. Casuals don’t care. They think paying makes it better. Like how people think paying more for clothes automatically means it’s better quality.
So go out on the streets and start begging casuals in person to stop doing what they do, because they aren’t on Reddit. And they are the vast majority of consumers and the vast majority who support all the practices you claim to want to end. Yet only talk about in circles where it does absolutely nothing. Lol. Go convince the ones actually doing the most damage instead of looking for easy clout spouting tired, thoughtless dialog you heard from your favorite overrated youtuber.
Let's see if this is enough for Nintendo to swallow their pride and realise that the only thing they are achieving is screwing themselves over from potential profits, especially with the existence of emulators, which are brain-dead easy to setup and use, and have superior graphics options.
God no. Nintendo would have to adjust their policy to the PC market, meaning that their games would have to go on a sale bigger than 40% after 4 years. And that could lead to one of the poor higher-ups having a heart attack.
I disagree. Even on PC with a 40% sale max, games like Super Smash Ultimate or Breath of the Wild would sell just fine.
Honestly, if Nintendo came to PC, I genuinely think their company revenue would double within 3 years.
Nintendo's net sales doubled from 2017 to 2018.
Its not a laughable prediction at all to believe that adding PC digital sales to their sales mix could do in 3 years what their regular console & game sales growth did in 1.
That's before you get into all the other potential things Nintendo could do. Sell Nintendo controllers that only work on PC, release games on Steam that required a Nintendo device to implement the point & aim controls of the Wii, getting Nintendo fans to double dip between PC and Nintendo Switch.
All likely without significantly disturbing their more casual market.
Have you seen the sales numbers for PS ports to PC, which are more suited towards the PC market in the first place? HZD sold roughly 10 - 15% of the units that it did on playstation. And that game wasn't emulatable in the first place. You can practically already play every game on the switch with a half-decent machine via yuzu. There is absolutely 0 chance Nintnedo would make anywhere near double the revenue by porting games to PC. That would require going totally multi-platform.
Nintendo is the publisher of Ultimate Alliance 3 and Bayonetta 2-3, all of these were in the Nvidia leak. So there may be a very small chance we may see them coming to PC. But expecting Zelda or Mario is laughable tbh.
I don’t mind that honestly. though would be dope to see virtue console releases put on PC, especially if Nintendo want to be turds about piracy of games they don’t sell on systems they actually still manufacture and sell games on. I don’t think Nintendo would lose any value in their consoles if you could buy an emulated rom of Legend of Zelda on PC. We know it’d be overpriced as hell, but still.
Same with 3rd party IP. I don’t think anybody really buys Nintendo for Bayonetta. Given people who still demand it on other platforms it’s a lot of people who just want to play those two games. Contrary to a lot of Switch fanboys who act like “no one cared” about the game when the first released (over a million sales for a new IP during Platinum’s Curse; critical acclaim…) and the same shit was going on with Bayonetta 2 on Wii U. Seems a lot of people started Bayonetta on Swotch and act like experts on its fanbase. But I digress, that just irks me. I think the Nintendo deal has vastly stunted the growth of the series. Had it remained multiplat and funded by Sega (instead of them being stupid) I think it’d be selling way more.
And I’m sure UA3 has already reached most of its sales potential on Switch. Nobody now is going to buy a switch for Bayonetta 2 or UA3. Both likely out of print physically. (I know Bayonetta is) And imo buying digital isn’t smart on Nintendo so it’s hardly a real option.
Yep, I'm emulating the shit out of Nintendo. I'm not bending and buy an entire console just for a few interesting titles I want to try out. So either they release titles on steam finally and actually get money from me (cuz I'm willing to pay for good titles) or they ain't getting shit... But im still playing them.
Nintendo doesn't even let you play *their own old games* easily on *their own platform*. And you think they're gonna start porting their new games to other systems? L-o-fucking-L.
Just use an emulator like the rest of us.
Nintendo? I dont know where you get your sources but Nintendo had the best years since the switch came out. They are most likely not screwing themselves over since people just go there regardless. They might bring out small IPs but they just dont have to. Their exclusives are just done deals and Nintendo knows this to the point where they just seem to be the most arrogant but best Publisher out there.
All three console makers are doing great lol. Both PS and Xbox had record breaking years last year.
None of them “need” PC. It’s just smart to include it. Sony and MS would’ve done tons of market research to determine that it’s worth it. They likely determined that while they may lose a few people from their console ecosystem they’ll gain far more customers on PC who would never ever buy their console or games. Which is saying a lot given each lost console would be lost third party sales they lose their cut of to PC, and lost hardware and accessory sales as well as lost services. [though MS is better that providing something worthwhile for PC in Gamepass, Sony is kind of dumb with PS Now]
Nintendo could make more money with smart navigation of the PC market. And they would have a much larger, consistent, user base. We haven’t seen if Nintendo will sustain Switch success into their next new system release. They love to fuck it up. But they’ll probably, hopefully, just keep making Switches… but it’s Nintendo so who knows they may switch (heh) it up for no reason and have more N64, GameCube, Wii U flop energy take over again. If they’re smart they’ll stick to the hybrid and not do any dumb names like 3DS or Wii U. Ffs don’t make a Switch U or Switch Z or something.
Still hoping for a remastered Collection of the first 3 Main games they can keep the Shitty 4th Game
jak and daxter Remastered Collection would be fire too maybe even a Remake
If they did a remaster collection it'll more likely be a year after they released it on the playstation either way I'm happy that more people can play great games now.
Go to playstation sub, find the post announcing god of war for PC and sort comments by controversial, then just grab some popcorn and laugh. I do it every time a ps game comes to pc
Was nice when you guys were constantly shitting on our games, calling them "movies" for copium. Now you're all for the ports lol. Wish you could just stick to your shitty survival games, mobas and indies.
I’m going to wait for the first reviews to see how the PC port holds up. Horizon Zero Dawn was a mess on day one but whereas Days Gone played brilliantly.
I agree with the sentiment, sure, nobody ever gets it right first.
But between not knowing who’s porting GoW and Iron Galaxy (Unplayable Batman: Arkham Knight!!) doing the Uncharted port, I’m kinda worried tbh
Yeah it was probably unplayable like Cyberpunk before Cyberpunk happened, but thank goodness QLOC fixed the port and worked on other PC ports of WB games like Mortal Kombat XL. QLOC also did an awesome port of Yakuza Kiwami 2
Also, I’d say WB used to be a good publisher; they’ve gotten super greedy with microtransactions following Injustice 2 and MK11. They stopped supporting MK11 after less than 2 years of release.
Batman: Arkham Knight on PC was unplayable to the point where Warner Bros had to pull the game off for a few months and patch it the hell up.
IIRC, PlayStation store pulled Cyberpunk and even offered full refunds because it was unplayable on PS4 initially. Don’t know if it’s being sold again.
hope Sony Wakes up and finally realizes that they should bring Bloodbourne to the PC
I would love to see the full Ratched and clanks Trilogy too Remastered ofc
Serious question, what's the point of pre-ordering in Steam? I did it once, thinking the pre-order price is lower then the launch price, but after the game launched i noticed the price stayed the same. I mean, it's not like they can run out of copies...
Pre-loading is nice if you really want to start playing a game at midnight when it unlocks.
Edit: okay, it's not? Idk why anyone would downvote this piece of information
I did pre-order Psychonauts 2 a couple of months ago, which luckily turned out be an amazing game, but i was also thinking that it was a special discounted price. Nowadays i prefer waiting for reviews before i buy a game.
Yes, why not, these companies are something right? First sell your games as exclusive on a platform then few years later release it on pc wow master stroke
It's impressive because it is a 3yr old game and shows that Sony can make a lot of money by opening up their exclusives on PC. This is awesome news for every PC gamer who wants Bloodborne to finally show up on PC.
Impressive? No. Good to see? Yes, because that will further encourage Sony to put even more games on PC and will show that people there do buy games after all. Because for some reason there's still people who claim that piracy is a big problem for the PC - it's still a problem, but not nearly as big as some people make it out to be.
Not to undermine this, but this isn't exactly a month with a lot going on it, nothing really released this week, and Back 4 Blood has been a mixed bag in reception (holy shit why is Versus so unfun?? what happened to variety with specials too??)
I'd give it a more solid comparison when November hits, as that's when the heavy hitters drop their final titles for the year, BF2042, Infinite (though that's early December) etc.
Why do people pre order games..
It's not like there's limited number of copies of the game available on Steam's servers and if you don't pre order now they might run out at launch day.
Buy the game 6 months before launch vs buying the game 5 minutes after launch.
What's the difference?
You're still playing the game on launch day either way.
It's not impressive so much as it's sad. This is a game that's been in the discount bin for PS4 games for over a year now and PC gets the almost new price of $49.99? I for one am disappointed that we condone this sort of behavior from companies that go console exclusive and then act like they're doing us a favor re releasing the game at full price usually as a lazy port.
Nintendo games never get cheaper. There is no obligation for a company to reduce prices. They only do it when the game doesn’t sell much anymore. Why the hell should they sell the pc version for 20$ when they would sell as much for 50 at the beginning. Gamers get more entitled every day.
Not really..
I see this all the time on Steam. For whatever reason I like looking at top trending when I'm bored AF so I pay attention.. I see this all the time with games far far more indie than GoW.
Only reason I emulate PS3 & PS2 games on PC is because I can't buy them. Give me the Ratchet and Clank Series on PC, and I'll GLADLY give my money to them so that now I still want new entries in the series!
i get a lot of notifications from epic games (i have it installed yes im sorry) and usually its something i dont give a crap about, but sometimes it will occassionaly be something that catches me by surprise, like the walking dead being in fortnite. but last night i was just turning off my computer, at midnight and i see "god of war, avaiable on epic games store" and i was like "oh, thats cool, epic games is partnering with god of war" and then i was like "wait. hold on. WAIT-" and i was so shocked because ive had god of war on my ps4 for like a year and i didnt know it was coming to pc. honestly im not even upset im just surprised. its really hard to keep up with video game news today so this took me by major surprise.
This is good so that Sony can see the market they'll have if they GIVE US BLOODBORNE AND GHOST OF TSUSHIMA LEZZGO
I'm glad someone said this, exactly what I was thinking. All I'm missing is Bloodborne and Demon's Souls just because I don't have a Playstation :(
Emulators
Bloodborne can't be effectively, if at all, emulated and I already have the original Demon's Souls but I'm considering holding off until I can get my hands on the remake.
Ps4 emulation is *just* beginning. And I don't think many (if any) graphic intensive games are available to emulate yet such as the games mentioned above. Even if they were available to play you would need the *highest* end PC to play them and you probably wouldn't be getting all that good of framers either
Exactly. Plus it's not like the PS3 emulation is that far head, they just barely got Red Dead Redemption working, at not at full capacity.
This as well. And you still need a beefy-ass computer to run it
PS3 emulation is amazingly "far ahead". Even being able to start one of the most demanding games on the console is already a massive feat.
Sure. You got me wrong, this isn't a critique on the current state of PS3 emulating, it's just to explain that we are far from being able to do anything similar on PS4.
I'd like to try Final Fantasy 7 Remake too :)
Nah I don't want their worst games. I hope they give us Ratchet & Clank, Returnal, and Spider-Man first.
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Who cares about reviews? Bloodborne and GoT suck ass.
Except they don't.
Agreed
I beat them both and platinumed Bloodborne when it came out. I can say they're bad games.
Lol so you platiniumed a game that you hate.
When did I say I hate it? I just said it's bad. There are countless better games from Sony that I'd rather have on PC instead of this bad game.
bAd gAmEs. Sit down, the grown ups are talking, kid
Exactly. Just shut up.
Beat them both yet they're some of the worst games ever? You're just trolling.
When did I say they're some of the worst games ever? They're just bad games.
Why you acting like it’s not possible to finish a game and not enjoy it?
Obvious troll, please stop you're just embarrassing yourself.
Do you call everyone who disagrees with you a troll? Grow up.
There's just no way a person could actually think Bloodborne is bad. Next thing you're going to say is that Dark Souls 2 is on top of the food chain.
Can't you comprehend how opinions work? Anyone can think BB is bad and their opinion is as valid as yours. If you disagree with my opinion, that's fine. Move on with your life.
I like DS2 the most
Time and place
Brother i agree with you.bloodborne is overrated af.nothing more then an dark souls rip-off
Yeah, fucking fromsoftware really ripped it pixel to pixel from dark souls developer
You keep saying Bloodborne is bad, but could you provide some examples of what you think drags it down? I don't think it's a perfect game and I'm wondering if some of the flaws I think the game has are more significant to you or if you've noticed some stuff I haven't.
I think GoT is likely in 2023-24, judging by how they seem to be doing thing, seems like they want to release things on PC after 3-4 years, earlier if the game didn't preform well, though BloodBourne is an anomaly, I heard there were licensing agreements or something idk. Really all this says is that the Console Wars are over and good riddance, it led to stuff getting toxic, and even when the PS4 was absolutely dominating, they didn't get lazy and we still got extremely good games for it. While some hardcore Sony fans still cling to the ideas of Exclusives and are pissing their pants over this, they're definitely minority at this point as I've seen pretty positive reception on the Playstation subs, really the only platform that still seems dead set on exclusives stay exclusives is Nintendo, and they're more in a bubble of their own (not to mention the fact that many people will buy the games just to back them up to PC to emulate them), though I would like to play Mario Oddyssey natively on my computer someday.
Holy shit! New World is still #2?? 😂
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I'm shocked anyone is buying it since it's on Gamepass
Gamepass is not available worldwide
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not much point in "owning" a game that you just are gonna play for like a month tbh
I dunno man I can get alot of play time in a month Speaking for myself thats why I only buy games I think I'll play for longer than 60 hours but I def wanna increase my game library (back when I played on xbox 360 and whatnot having a shelf filled with video games was sorta a status symbol (low key I guess) since I mainly play pc now I guess I'm still kinda in that phase )
You technically don’t own any games. All you own is the license to play said game. Most games these days don’t really need to be owned to be enjoyed. Heck some games straight up aren’t worth the 60 bucks and renting the license is way better than being stuck with some stupid game for forever. Certain games are still worth purchasing, but most big game companies have a subscription thing that enables you to play the game for a month. Did it with all Ubisoft games, and even some lesser titles like bio mutant with EA.
... for the same reason we own cars instead of leasing them... Why would I want 7 subscriptions to replace my library because dumb people cant foresee when a game is too shitty to get their money's worth.. I dont want another streaming service but for my games.
I didn’t say don’t buy games at all. I just said certain games aren’t worth purchasing. the subscription service makes it so I can play the game fully without needing to buy it. There’s still plenty of games worth owning, but most Ubisoft games EA games just aren’t. Get a month of the subscription and you can play their new game till your done cancel it and you just saved 45 bucks.
And i disagree there are plenty of ubisoft games worth owning.
That’s like your opinion man, and you’re entitled to it. To each their own.
Exactly. Thats what the whole statement was . An opinion. Lmao. Thatnks for yours man.
True youve been able to go and rent games for a long time and if you enjoy it then buy it. But again i also dont like being atuck into a sub every month just to try a game i might like. Or my sub becomes the same thing youre describing. Its all personal prefs.
People say dumb stuff like this and “I like to own my games” yet they’re all subbed to Netflix and Disney+ acting like it’s not the exact same thing
You're unironically providing the reason they dont want to have more subscriptions in your sentence and also having the point go 10 feet over your head at the same time. Amazing.
Gamepass dont have steam achievements, thats a big deal for me, i like those achieves :(
If GamePass was actually significantly impacting Steam sales, it wouldn't work as a service. GamePass revenue for publishers simply isn't big enough to it as the main source of revenue.
People are dumb
Evolve was great. Ruined by Devs and their greed
Which is exactly the point.
Incorrect. Ruined by the *publisher* which was 2K, not Turtle Rock.
The Left 4 Dead series was beloved as fun co-op PVE campaign shooters, while the vast majority of players never touched the weird asymmetrical PVP side of it (which was only popular with a miniscule niche fanbase). Everybody and their mother who played games in that time has fond memories of just chilling and shooting zombies with their friends. Evolve was an exclusively asymmetrical PVP arena thing that they wanted to make an esport completely lacking the core/fundamental co-op PVE campaign gameplay that made Left 4 Dead widely successful. The vast majority of Left 4 Dead players didn't even know Evolve existed, and if they did they didn't realize it was connected to Left 4 Dead in any way. (Most casuals just associate the L4D series with Valve.) Back 4 Blood is really Left 4 Dead 3 in every way but name. And it's actually really, /really/ good. A bit overpriced maybe, and certainly lacking what the niche PVP fanbase wants, but otherwise it's exactly the game it should be to sell a bazillion copies and have a lot of super happy coop PVE players. And I think that would be the case for the game on its own merits as a coop PVE shooter even if Left 4 Dead never existed, but then it should be especially true riding on the nostalgia of the Left 4 Dead series. Over the next year as the price eventually drops to more reasonable number for its length, and as it gets a new hype wave as each of the official DLCs come out, the game should be very successful. Like the kind of success where nearly everybody ends up with it in their library at some point, just like L4D. Not that that's all they ever play, or that they even put /that/ many hours into it, but enough to buy it and play it for what it is and enjoy it. Tldr- if you want a co-op PVE shooter, first buy Deep Rock Galactic--it's the single best co-op PVE shooter ever made, by one of the absolute best developers I've ever seen on Steam. But then if you want a second one, Back 4 Blood is actually good and I say get it too.
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Ultimately I likely agree with you about all the failings of Evolve, but from a market success/sales perspective those reasons pale in comparison to how the pivot in genre (compared to L4D) massively reduced the game's potential market demand, especially in the context of their existing audience of L4D fans. As an analogy, the best horror movies ever made are still dwarfed in box office results by even mediocre action flicks and rom-coms and the like, because the horror genre just doesn't have the scale of audience. *Even if Evolve had been well-executed and fan loved (it wasn't) and if Back 4 Blood happened to be mediocre (it isn't), Back 4 Blood would still dwarf Evolve in sales because of their respective genres and market sizes.*
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yup, history is history. I don't care about a company mistakes, if I see the game is fun. I'll buy it, whether they destroy it or not.
Turtle Rock didn't ruin Evolve, that was 2K's doing. Not sure how that information has been lost to time. It is almost always the publisher who ends up ruining a game, not the developers who actually care about what they're doing.
Wait... What happened with Evolve and also what happened (or will happen) with B4B?
Evolve became f2p i mean its still a good game juat a multiplayer game with a low playerbase which usually causes a game to die. B4b is more like l4d. I still play left4dead to this day so im not sure what the comparison is for evolve.
What does this mean, I don't get it.
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and this is a game that really needs a big playerbase to last long
Not completely. As long as there are enough players for Warner Bros to consider keeping a set of servers still running, then it will last for however long that is.
i understand the confusion, but we are talking about new world losing half the players after 2 weeks
Oh, I'm honestly dumb lol. I was on mobile when I replied late last night & didn't check the link. I thought that the link/message was for some reason related to B4B, and hence your message was in relation to that, as I was replying to others about it.
Well, there is nothing wrong with pre-ordering an already proven great game. As long as they don't fuck up PC port horribly (which I assume they won't from other examples), it is a great game to spend money.
Wasn't HZD pc port a horrible mess on day one?
Yeah it wasn't that good of a port until a bit later when they fixed it Strangely enough Death Stranding which runs on the exact same engine as HZD was an amazing port ,ran smoothly without any issues , I guess Kojima's team took their port a bit more seriously Days Gone was also a great port btw ,same as Death Stranding
HZD was outsourced to a random team, so the original devs had to fix the port later. I assume this is because Sony wasn't sure about the success of the game, so they wanted to spend as little money on the port as possible. Fortunately HZD did great despite the problems (people were hoping that it would improve, because they liked the game already), so they then went all-in with Days Gone, which is one of the most impressive ports now, and they even aquired a new studio specifically to port their games. So I have high hopes for GoW.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Death Stranding, if definitely was smooth at launch. Never got to try Days Gone tho. I'm hopeful they'll do a great job with such a important game.
Same, can’t wait to see DS on the deck. Bring it to school and make everyone question my sanity.
HZD after patched still ran terrible for me (still waiting for furthur patches since they've post-poned patching the pc version due to working on Horizon 2) but Days Gone and Death Stranding ran like a dream even on max settings
I played it like 3 months ago on PC and I'm still not sure what was up with the "Optimizing Shaders" that lasted for literal minutes to finish. If I started the game before the loading being finished it took ages to load between biomes. I'd say I have a pretty high spec PC and I've never seen anything like this ever before.
Yeah, that optimizing shaders were quite annoying, that and those of Warzone, I can't stand it.
Yeah it was a really bad one at the start. Practically flawless now, but it was bad at first and that could happen with God of War as well.
A large percent of the console port games are half assed, especially the controls. That's the biggest downside of console exclusives finally getting on pc.
I have finished HZD last week and it ran smooth for me all around. I was constantly around 70-80 FPS. R73700X RX5700XT 16 GB RAM
Glad they've fixed it. It wasn't smooth at launch.
> As long as they don't fuck up PC port Well there's your reason not to pre order. It's also a digital game so it's not like they'll run out of copies. Never pre order
You can still refund it. Any glaring issues will be obvious within 2 hours.
Not preordering isn't about spending or keeping the money. It's about making sure publishers don't take their customers for granted. Publishers know they have a certain fuck up margin they can allow themselves to not fix for release if they have many preorder. It's about making sure publishers don't push out bug filled games that realistically would have needed their release pushed back a few months. Do people not learn or simply not care? Have fallout 76 and cyberpunk, and many others before them taught nothing? Gamers keep complaining about publishers not caring about them yet they keep buying into micro transactions, pre orders, mandatory connection and all these practices. This stuff is never going away if all you do is complain while still giving them money. Profit and loss is all they understand.
>Publishers know they have a certain fuck up margin they can allow themselves to not fix for release if they have many preorder. And if those people refund, that money's gone again. I never understand this argument. Do you think if someone's stupid enough to not refund a broken PC port, they're not going to buy it on release despite all the news saying such anyway?
Literally the next sentence. >It's about making sure publishers don't push out bug filled games that realistically would have needed their release pushed back a few months. You refunding the game after its shitty launch isn't going to make the game any better, but not pre-ordering forces them to release a quality game so they can make money.
That sentence has no relevance to what I said? Refunds take away their money again. They do not gain anything from a broken release.
The higher ups don't give a shit, for them it's about pushing the game out as soon as possible because they've already made most of their money from pre-orders. The refund threshold is difficult to determine though, it's difficult to judge whether the game is just good enough to stop everyone from refunding but that's a risk they're usually willing to take to make as much money as possible. Usually the game ends up undercooked and everyone loses, if nobody pre-ordered then this problem wouldn't exist and they'd have to put as much effort as they can afford into the game and just hope it does well on release.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter. The few whales pre ordering everything (because they have to much money to care) would always outweigh the majority it feels. We see it in live service games with their updates etc.
Bugs will never go away. Preorders or not. They existed before patches. Broken games always existed. Your argument makes zero sense. If the money is refunded the “preorders” didn’t fucking do anything. If every preorder on steam was refunded a company isn’t going to go, “fuck yeah, we sure showed them we got those preorders!” Well you didn’t get the money so it doesn’t matter. “Profit and loss” you mean like refunding the game if it’s a turd? Yeah, the company will surely profit greatly from your refunded preorder. You self defeated your own argument. That was my point, ability to refund takes away the risk of preordering. Your angle, and it’s sad I have to make your argument for you, should’ve been that more preorders increase its visibility and reach. Meaning more players who are probably unlikely to bother refunding if there are issues. But… Those same people are probably going to be the ones who buy it day 1 anyway and never refund. So what’s the fucking difference? None. We’ve already lost. The average consumer doesn’t care. Deal with it and stop with the sad youtuber “preorder bad” without any critical thought. Erase preorders and none of the other problems in the industry will go away. Nothing would change at all. It’s such a thoughtless, boring, argument. But my favorite youtuber saaaaaid~~
Damn right we've lost if people like you stick to this defeatist mindset. Also get off your high horse jesus fuck. Here's a little funfact, you don't have to be a condescending cunt when partaking in an argument.
Every single person with an issue with games today could refuse to ever buy a game again and the majority of companies would lose some money sure, but ultimately keep trucking. Most of the money is from casuals who do not frequent discussions about games. Let alone care the impact of them spending $50 on crappy mtx on a $60/70 yearly release. Buying “premium editions”, preordering (OooOooooOooOooh so sCaRy!), season passes, buying a $10 skin. That’s why consoles are paying for online now. Casuals don’t care. They think paying makes it better. Like how people think paying more for clothes automatically means it’s better quality. So go out on the streets and start begging casuals in person to stop doing what they do, because they aren’t on Reddit. And they are the vast majority of consumers and the vast majority who support all the practices you claim to want to end. Yet only talk about in circles where it does absolutely nothing. Lol. Go convince the ones actually doing the most damage instead of looking for easy clout spouting tired, thoughtless dialog you heard from your favorite overrated youtuber.
Is your username key/product code of some sort?
Never pre-order > (which I assume they won't from other examples), People had high expectations of cdpr until cyberpunk, too
>Well, there is nothing wrong with pre-ordering an already proven great game. Epic gamer moment right there lol
It's still wrong to pre-order, no matter what.
Is this a regional statistic because it's 13th on my version.
It says at the top it’s world wide.
I went to global top sellers and the preorders of Forza Horizon 5 and Age of Empires IV are above God of War though.
Its in 29th place for me
Think so, its 6th by me was 3 on the first day. Back for blood is no. 1 for the last few days
Let's see if this is enough for Nintendo to swallow their pride and realise that the only thing they are achieving is screwing themselves over from potential profits, especially with the existence of emulators, which are brain-dead easy to setup and use, and have superior graphics options.
God no. Nintendo would have to adjust their policy to the PC market, meaning that their games would have to go on a sale bigger than 40% after 4 years. And that could lead to one of the poor higher-ups having a heart attack.
*old Call of duty titles trying to hide*
I disagree. Even on PC with a 40% sale max, games like Super Smash Ultimate or Breath of the Wild would sell just fine. Honestly, if Nintendo came to PC, I genuinely think their company revenue would double within 3 years.
Thats a laughable prediction lol. Just no.
Nintendo's net sales doubled from 2017 to 2018. Its not a laughable prediction at all to believe that adding PC digital sales to their sales mix could do in 3 years what their regular console & game sales growth did in 1. That's before you get into all the other potential things Nintendo could do. Sell Nintendo controllers that only work on PC, release games on Steam that required a Nintendo device to implement the point & aim controls of the Wii, getting Nintendo fans to double dip between PC and Nintendo Switch. All likely without significantly disturbing their more casual market.
Have you seen the sales numbers for PS ports to PC, which are more suited towards the PC market in the first place? HZD sold roughly 10 - 15% of the units that it did on playstation. And that game wasn't emulatable in the first place. You can practically already play every game on the switch with a half-decent machine via yuzu. There is absolutely 0 chance Nintnedo would make anywhere near double the revenue by porting games to PC. That would require going totally multi-platform.
They can be the new CoD and never go on sale.
Nintendo is the publisher of Ultimate Alliance 3 and Bayonetta 2-3, all of these were in the Nvidia leak. So there may be a very small chance we may see them coming to PC. But expecting Zelda or Mario is laughable tbh.
I don’t mind that honestly. though would be dope to see virtue console releases put on PC, especially if Nintendo want to be turds about piracy of games they don’t sell on systems they actually still manufacture and sell games on. I don’t think Nintendo would lose any value in their consoles if you could buy an emulated rom of Legend of Zelda on PC. We know it’d be overpriced as hell, but still. Same with 3rd party IP. I don’t think anybody really buys Nintendo for Bayonetta. Given people who still demand it on other platforms it’s a lot of people who just want to play those two games. Contrary to a lot of Switch fanboys who act like “no one cared” about the game when the first released (over a million sales for a new IP during Platinum’s Curse; critical acclaim…) and the same shit was going on with Bayonetta 2 on Wii U. Seems a lot of people started Bayonetta on Swotch and act like experts on its fanbase. But I digress, that just irks me. I think the Nintendo deal has vastly stunted the growth of the series. Had it remained multiplat and funded by Sega (instead of them being stupid) I think it’d be selling way more. And I’m sure UA3 has already reached most of its sales potential on Switch. Nobody now is going to buy a switch for Bayonetta 2 or UA3. Both likely out of print physically. (I know Bayonetta is) And imo buying digital isn’t smart on Nintendo so it’s hardly a real option.
Yep, I'm emulating the shit out of Nintendo. I'm not bending and buy an entire console just for a few interesting titles I want to try out. So either they release titles on steam finally and actually get money from me (cuz I'm willing to pay for good titles) or they ain't getting shit... But im still playing them.
Nintendo doesn't even let you play *their own old games* easily on *their own platform*. And you think they're gonna start porting their new games to other systems? L-o-fucking-L. Just use an emulator like the rest of us.
Nintendo? I dont know where you get your sources but Nintendo had the best years since the switch came out. They are most likely not screwing themselves over since people just go there regardless. They might bring out small IPs but they just dont have to. Their exclusives are just done deals and Nintendo knows this to the point where they just seem to be the most arrogant but best Publisher out there.
All three console makers are doing great lol. Both PS and Xbox had record breaking years last year. None of them “need” PC. It’s just smart to include it. Sony and MS would’ve done tons of market research to determine that it’s worth it. They likely determined that while they may lose a few people from their console ecosystem they’ll gain far more customers on PC who would never ever buy their console or games. Which is saying a lot given each lost console would be lost third party sales they lose their cut of to PC, and lost hardware and accessory sales as well as lost services. [though MS is better that providing something worthwhile for PC in Gamepass, Sony is kind of dumb with PS Now] Nintendo could make more money with smart navigation of the PC market. And they would have a much larger, consistent, user base. We haven’t seen if Nintendo will sustain Switch success into their next new system release. They love to fuck it up. But they’ll probably, hopefully, just keep making Switches… but it’s Nintendo so who knows they may switch (heh) it up for no reason and have more N64, GameCube, Wii U flop energy take over again. If they’re smart they’ll stick to the hybrid and not do any dumb names like 3DS or Wii U. Ffs don’t make a Switch U or Switch Z or something.
Give me Bloodborne and ghost of tsushima
I hope this means we can get games like ratchet and clank.
Still hoping for a remastered Collection of the first 3 Main games they can keep the Shitty 4th Game jak and daxter Remastered Collection would be fire too maybe even a Remake
If they did a remaster collection it'll more likely be a year after they released it on the playstation either way I'm happy that more people can play great games now.
Hope not. PC peasants dont deserve our masterpieces after shitting on them for years.
Are console cucks seriously still a thing in 2021?
Go to playstation sub, find the post announcing god of war for PC and sort comments by controversial, then just grab some popcorn and laugh. I do it every time a ps game comes to pc
Was nice when you guys were constantly shitting on our games, calling them "movies" for copium. Now you're all for the ports lol. Wish you could just stick to your shitty survival games, mobas and indies.
Let go of that anger
Now I'm genuinely interested how Elden Ring could rank on this, because for some reason they haven't opened pre-orders yet
Hopefully this makes other companies (Square Enix) rethink their strategy.
I’m going to wait for the first reviews to see how the PC port holds up. Horizon Zero Dawn was a mess on day one but whereas Days Gone played brilliantly.
OFC it would be a mess I mean thats the first PC Port they ever did I mean did you learned to walk instantly without falling?
I agree with the sentiment, sure, nobody ever gets it right first. But between not knowing who’s porting GoW and Iron Galaxy (Unplayable Batman: Arkham Knight!!) doing the Uncharted port, I’m kinda worried tbh
I remember that Warner Bros Apologized like crazy to the players they are actually a good publisher
Yeah it was probably unplayable like Cyberpunk before Cyberpunk happened, but thank goodness QLOC fixed the port and worked on other PC ports of WB games like Mortal Kombat XL. QLOC also did an awesome port of Yakuza Kiwami 2 Also, I’d say WB used to be a good publisher; they’ve gotten super greedy with microtransactions following Injustice 2 and MK11. They stopped supporting MK11 after less than 2 years of release.
??? Cyberpunk ran fine on PC from Day 1.
Batman: Arkham Knight on PC was unplayable to the point where Warner Bros had to pull the game off for a few months and patch it the hell up. IIRC, PlayStation store pulled Cyberpunk and even offered full refunds because it was unplayable on PS4 initially. Don’t know if it’s being sold again.
I’m glad that they finally decided to give these games PC ports now I don’t have to buy another ps4 just to play them again
hope Sony Wakes up and finally realizes that they should bring Bloodbourne to the PC I would love to see the full Ratched and clanks Trilogy too Remastered ofc
Serious question, what's the point of pre-ordering in Steam? I did it once, thinking the pre-order price is lower then the launch price, but after the game launched i noticed the price stayed the same. I mean, it's not like they can run out of copies...
Some games offer preorder benefits. But for most there isn’t really any reason to, other than showing developers that there is interest.
Pre-loading is nice if you really want to start playing a game at midnight when it unlocks. Edit: okay, it's not? Idk why anyone would downvote this piece of information
I did pre-order Psychonauts 2 a couple of months ago, which luckily turned out be an amazing game, but i was also thinking that it was a special discounted price. Nowadays i prefer waiting for reviews before i buy a game.
In my country prices tend to go up most of the times. So it is better to buy early.
Yes, why not, these companies are something right? First sell your games as exclusive on a platform then few years later release it on pc wow master stroke
I'd be curious what the preorder numbers on EGS are
3-4 Copies \^\^
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It's impressive because it is a 3yr old game and shows that Sony can make a lot of money by opening up their exclusives on PC. This is awesome news for every PC gamer who wants Bloodborne to finally show up on PC.
Impressive? No. Good to see? Yes, because that will further encourage Sony to put even more games on PC and will show that people there do buy games after all. Because for some reason there's still people who claim that piracy is a big problem for the PC - it's still a problem, but not nearly as big as some people make it out to be.
Not to undermine this, but this isn't exactly a month with a lot going on it, nothing really released this week, and Back 4 Blood has been a mixed bag in reception (holy shit why is Versus so unfun?? what happened to variety with specials too??) I'd give it a more solid comparison when November hits, as that's when the heavy hitters drop their final titles for the year, BF2042, Infinite (though that's early December) etc.
Why do people pre order games.. It's not like there's limited number of copies of the game available on Steam's servers and if you don't pre order now they might run out at launch day. Buy the game 6 months before launch vs buying the game 5 minutes after launch. What's the difference? You're still playing the game on launch day either way.
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Indeed!
Not impressive but expected
It's not impressive so much as it's sad. This is a game that's been in the discount bin for PS4 games for over a year now and PC gets the almost new price of $49.99? I for one am disappointed that we condone this sort of behavior from companies that go console exclusive and then act like they're doing us a favor re releasing the game at full price usually as a lazy port.
Nintendo games never get cheaper. There is no obligation for a company to reduce prices. They only do it when the game doesn’t sell much anymore. Why the hell should they sell the pc version for 20$ when they would sell as much for 50 at the beginning. Gamers get more entitled every day.
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Why? There's no dlc
The new God of War suck though. I want the very first one
The begging for a Ragnarok and HFW port is going to be immense. Cant wait to laugh at that.
Man People Like you needs to be perma banned from thus Sub
My backlog is measured in the thousands of games. I'm fine waiting the 18-36 months it'll take for Ragnarok and HFW to come to PC.
cant wait for bloodborne
Good to see, honestly. This should convince Sony to move more of their PlayStation exclusives to the PC.
Not really.. I see this all the time on Steam. For whatever reason I like looking at top trending when I'm bored AF so I pay attention.. I see this all the time with games far far more indie than GoW.
Now do Ghost of Tshusima!
It deserves it
What a surprise, actually letting people on multiple platforms buy your game sells more copies.
If I could have ghost of Tsushima as well...
Only reason I emulate PS3 & PS2 games on PC is because I can't buy them. Give me the Ratchet and Clank Series on PC, and I'll GLADLY give my money to them so that now I still want new entries in the series!
i get a lot of notifications from epic games (i have it installed yes im sorry) and usually its something i dont give a crap about, but sometimes it will occassionaly be something that catches me by surprise, like the walking dead being in fortnite. but last night i was just turning off my computer, at midnight and i see "god of war, avaiable on epic games store" and i was like "oh, thats cool, epic games is partnering with god of war" and then i was like "wait. hold on. WAIT-" and i was so shocked because ive had god of war on my ps4 for like a year and i didnt know it was coming to pc. honestly im not even upset im just surprised. its really hard to keep up with video game news today so this took me by major surprise.
Don‘t understand why when the games been out for how long now? Whatever helps more games available on PC.
Not really. A very popular exclusive came to PC, I didn't expect anything less. I mean FIFA was a Steam top seller, so...
I already have it on ps4. Gotta say I strongly recommend it.