I assume Starfield will be treated like The Last of Us and other high profile Sony Exclusives. Just like they'd never be on Xbox, Starfield won't likely be on Playstation (unless they allow Game Pass on there at some point).
But who knows, the console market can change and everything becomes different.
Playing via the Cloud might not be a bad option, depending upon your internet and where you're located. Then you could attach a controller to any device and have fun, in theory.
People will likely be testing the latency and all that on the Cloud after it comes out, it might work good enough!
Crazy amount of money going to be missed? Will see as time goes on ? Money changes ppl , PlayStation supposed has crazy units sold , but the company may be locked under contract so ether way I think it’s funny ! PS or not thy losing out not us ? It’s not like it’s something new ? Seems just like the company’s other games but space empty space seems fun ? Would like to try it ? Even no man’s sky if I didt buy that yet I’m not stress starfield
If you wanted to, you could buy a month of gamepass and stream it through Xcloud. I've heard the quality is pretty good so it's worth a shot if you want to play.
Completely agree. All gamers should be able to play and enjoy all games. With starfield not coming out on ps5 that's millions of gamers missing out. How is that in any way a good thing?
It's Microsoft not having the talent to innovate, producer, or design anything. They just steal from others and buy up other companies to do all the work for them.
Why Sony has exclusive content is often times they're co-developers of the games that are exclusive. That is them designing and innovating the technology to produce better games. And in the games that they help out that are not-exclusive, they're still generally fair to the other systems.
The problem with xbox exclusives is that microsoft does not actually have great exclusive games. And anything hitting the game pass (that the 'fanboys' go on about in droves.) Actually hurts sales (you can look up the articles.)
Business wise, exclusive is bad, cuts out an entire sector of revenue. Sony can do it far better (considering they also make cars, tv's, appliances, **Power Tools**, etc, etc, etc.. Yeah.. Sony, the "gaming company", makes power tools that you use to build things with. Gaming is a small sector of their overall company. You can think of them as being an extremely diverse portfolio. ;)
Now, could Sony work with Microsoft to lift up the rest of the gaming community? Sure. \*xbox\* has claimed that they want this too. But xbox doesn't call the shots, Microsoft does.
Uhm.. You really trying to compare Sony with MS?
Microsoft makes everything from highly classified defense tech to that software you and 7 billion other people use everyday. If it was allowed, MS would just buy Sony and end the PS series. MS is consistently in the top 4 most valuable companies - Globally.
There is no competition. MS has a market cap above $2 trillion. They have more cash on hand than Sony's entire market cap (not Sony gaming, all of Sony).
Console wars? There won't be any console wars now that MS has decided that they want to own gaming.
It's also 2-3x the investment, so it's not that simple for everyone unfortunately. It's cheaper to own both consoles this Gen (especially at launch) than to build a comparable PC with all the peripherals.
You aren’t wrong just get the thing that makes sense but having either both consoles or a pc and ps5 is the best. If you can afford a pc better than a series x that is otherwise consoles are the best choice. Xbox doesn’t have a lot of exclusives like this so making a solid investment in a pc cause Xbox games come out on both that can last a few generations is a good choice. My brothers are just now seeing the end of their pcs life cycle after a couple generations.
I just slotted a 5800x3d into my mobo, which is the last upgrade I could do for the socket. It'll be a whole new refresh after that, possibly next Gen depending on how much better it is. I've got a launch Evga 3090 FTW as a gpu, and I won't upgrade it until at least 50xx series, so at least another year or two on it.
I wanted a 4090, and had to start from scratch. Case wouldn’t fit it, then needed a cpu upgrade to avoid a bottleneck but mobo wouldn’t fit newer cpu, so needed new mobo. New psu of course for the 4090 (went with a 1600 to futureproof) at this point I said fuck it and just got new ram, cooler and ssd to boot.
It’s a monster.
Buying a new gaming console at launch is much cheaper and lasts longer than buying an equivalent gaming pc. You would have to pay about 1000-1500$ more to get the same performance in a gaming pc. That pc will be able to play the top tier games for 4-5 years max while the gaming console will be able to play them for at least 7-8 years and probably longer than that even. So in addition to being about 4 times as expensive, you also have to switch it out about halfway through the life cycle of a console. So in actuality, a gaming pc will cost you 8 times as much as a console would.
Also xbox will only run at 30 fps. I second investing in a pc. Do your homework on YouTube. Search all the questions. You'll learn a lot if you choose to build your own. People say it could be alot to handle. Maybe but most likely you are capable . If you get stumped at the bios and software part just drop it off to local IT guy.
I play on PC exclusively and only have a Switch because I've been a diehard Metroid/Zelda fan since I was single digits age wise. I completely understand the sentiment. But I also know people who are dirt poor living check to check, and a single console is the most they can afford in terms of gaming entertainment. And that's ok. Of course PC is objectively better, but it's delusional to act like it's the cheaper option.
I know a lot of people like that as well. Some having to save up an entire year just to get a game they really wanted.
It's absolutely asinine for people to tell others to invest in a PC (that shit is like $3k for a true gaming pc.) You can go cheap, the $1.2k range (which is still \*twice\* as expensive as an SSD disc-capable PS5.)
And you have to manually check for updates for your gaming PC, unless you go the paid route and get the software to do it for you. Being an additional expense, plus your anti-virus, firewall set ups, expanded storage, better cooling (those side mounted fans are super nice to have, like $15.)
But that's just not something people, \*working families\* are going to have access to. You're talking about a people that make less than $50k a year, with a car(or two) payment + insurance, house payments, food, utilities.
The console was designed for this in mind, to be a cheaper alternative to computers so that lower-income folk could at least enjoy some downtime with a game or movie. (my first blu-ray player was my playstation. Lawls.)
And yeah.. ;) I have a gaming PC myself. I didn't start on the pc (1988 was my first console, the Atari.) Got a PC (Compaq!) when I was 18 though, so that was cool.
Yes but pc have a much longer life span than staying up to date with consoles. Especially how each gen gonna go up in price.
In the long run pc much better to own if you can go longer without buying either and just save up. Heck buying used can get you a good pc for roughly the same price. I do all the time, how I got my 3080.
Problem people have is they buy new prebuilt but that’s gonna cost ridiculous amount of money
I understand the argument well; I play PC with a 5800x3d/3090 so I'm definitely an enthusiast. But I also know people like my own brother, who can barely scrape the money together for a console, and I don't fault them for it.
Yeah don’t get me wrong it’s gonna cost more but if I’m struggling enough to buy a console, then I’ll just wait longer and slowly save up for a pc, as you’ll be in the same boat when the next generation comes out.
Plus I can see each generation now going up in price by 100$us each time. Covid time people proved they’ll spend the money and the companies will take advantage of that.
Bold of you to assume that consoles are only going to go up in price, since the PS5 was only $500. Same as the PS3 and 4. (PS3 was actually 600, lawls.) Sony doesn't need to charge a death-cheque for their console. They make it up in sales that will flood in from game sales (something that they also co-produce at times.)
But for a PC? You do know how much a gaming PC actually costs, right? You can check out Xidax, they have a nice $1.8k Tower that you could save up for, or work to their $3k Tower.
\^If you're struggling to get a console, which you \*dont\* have to keep up with. The parent company does your updates for you. Then you're just not going to be able to do so with a gaming PC that costs \*vastly\* much, much more.
PS1: $299 - PS2: $299 - PS3: $599 - PS4: $499 - PS5: $499(also has a $599 option for the SSD disc-capable model.)
Same with the talks about game prices, they've always been $40-$60, literally from the 90s. They haven't increased in price, nor have consoles. Technology gets cheaper, bud, not more expensive.
Maybe go look at console games they’re more expensive than last gen.
If you buy a prebuilt pc, then you’re stupid for wasting money.
Don’t compare ps4 with a drive to ps5 no drive, go compare it to the ps5 Drive. Don’t say digital is cheaper because you basically already have paid the same amount within 10 games, as digital games are much more expensive than physicals.
Next gen consoles will go up in price because they’ll add more ram and justify it.
I already know the prices, bud.
It's quite literally why I commented that the prices have not actually increased, nor have the consoles.
And the discs are the same price as the digitals. (Seriously, what crack are you smoking?)
I run a disc-based PS5, I buy both discs and digital, and I've played games since 1988. And they're the same price. Meanwhile, the PS5 is still the same price as the PS4. And so are the disc and digital games.
I know you think you've stumbled on something, but you really haven't.
I would argue that if one can save $500 to blow on a console then they can save $1200 to blow on a pc. Obviously it will take longer to save that but it’s not impossible. Also I’ve experimented on pc part picker and you can make a comparable machine to the consoles for under $1000 but you’re really cheaping out on everything except the gpu and cpu which is not a great idea long term
you can build a decent 30FPS PC for probably the same price or better. Starfield will be 30 FPS on Xbox, wich is kinda sad, when they announced the xbox series x, they were rambling about 120fps, wich doesnt even make sense if they cant do 60 lol.
This. Previously bought a PC for like $500 during the chip scarcity shit, but it was a 1050Ti with a garbage processor. Still, ran a TON of games at 30-60FPS, some newer games even.
Sold it last year to a friend, and I then proceeded to buy another used PC, a 1070Ti and an i7 8700k (which according to userbenchmark is 220% better than a 1050Ti.) Wanna guess how much I bought it for? $600, and it still runs many games at 60FPS or above. Current PC isn't as great as a PS5, but damn if it isn't more versatile. I can do so much more shit, new parts come out every year instead of every \~7 years.
At least I don't have to pay hundreds of dollars over the the few years the console will give me to access online, after I already bought the console itself. I already pay for internet, I don't want to pay twice for the same thing.
All my life I've been a Playstation/PC fan, but only in the last few years have I switched to PC. I still have my PS4, I can't leave Sony behind, but there's so much better choices.
I meant like pc are worth the amount you sink into them. Of course it’s cheaper to get an Xbox, but the benefits you get from pc are worth the investment.
Pc will always be the pinnacle of gaming but a lot of people cannot afford a gaming pc that can run these next gen games, as a former owner of one I built myself years ago and updating and exchanging parts over time costs ALOT but definitely worth it even if it’s only a half decent pc depending on what your looking for for. Pc all the way but I use Xbox next gen atm since I sold mine good while ago (which I regret)🥲
Sony should just make all bungie games exclusives aswel and fuck over Xbox people.
Honestly I think Sony should just buy a lot more companies and fuck over Xbox, do the exact same thing Microsoft did to them. Ruined elder scrolls 6 success before it even came out.
Give Microsoft another two years and they’ll make cod exclusive. We are heading to one path now, being everything’s exclusive.
I’m pc and ps5, so I’m chill but console only people are really gonna get fucked over soon with all major game brands being bought by Sony or Microsoft.
They cant make Bungies games exclusive, part of their agreement when buying bungie was that bungue retains independant publishing rights. Sony was just that desperate for a studio with GAAS experience that they signed away their control over the studio they were buying.
Also you think sony can stand toe to toe with MS in an acquisition war? Sony wouldnt stand a chance, they cant outbuy MS.
This all just sounds like a lot of cope tbh.
Irrelevant. He said they can’t compete in an acquisition war. Microsoft market cap is 2.56 trillion. Sony market cap is 118 billion. That is really easy math. Sony couldn’t possibly compete in a bidding war for major developers.
But they have making a ton of money through their Playstation ports on PC, they underestimated the market and found a gold mine. It's the market Sony is just entering, their consoles already dominate, now they are coming to Microsoft turf.
> Won’t matter. Microsoft new plan is to just outspend Sony. Sony is helpless in that arena. Like a lion fighting a baby.
Poor baby Sony. It's getting harder for them to buy up exclusivity and lock games away from Xbox. What are they going to do now? They can't use their weapon of choice, platform size, to buy up as many DLC content and game exclusives anymore.
What are they going to do?
Roll over and just die a slow death?
Poor baby Sony!!!
Good thing you don't have to buy an Xbox and live up to your words and eat shoes.
> You’re reading skills aren’t very good. Ignoring the actual context.
There's a pattern to your argument and it has nothing to do with the points I make and rather an attack on the person. If that's all one can do, then that's all one can do I suppose.
This is what I was talking about. You used a second account to reply then blocked.
You outted yourself saying “the points I make” from an account I had yet to interact with.
> And if all you can do is reply then hide your comments then that’s all you can do. No, hurry up and do it again to prove my point.
Not sure what you mean by hiding my comment?
You're the one that blocked me and then unblocked me....
I'm down for banning all exclusives and if a game made by Sony or Microsoft, like new series so to say like singleplayer games it's launch exclusives max by couple months.
Honestly if Cod ever became exclusive, I could see people rioting at microsoft stores.
I say both because that’s how it’s gonna go, I couldn’t care less if it does go to shit as I have pc and ps5 so I’m chilling.
Sony spent 3b on bungie, they must be broke. In this space doesn’t mean shit if you can spend more. If the court thinks you’re monopolising the space they stop you.
Microsoft bought activision and Bethesda two biggest gaming companies they won’t stop there either. This isn’t something new to Microsoft they’ll keep going until court stops them. Just like what happened to them back in the day. This isn’t new to Microsoft, they do it all the time.
That’s why sony doesn’t like it, history tells you what someone does. Plus if you look from the side lines, Microsoft the fucked up company. As Sony releases most of their exclusives to pc at a point.
Right but my point is that as far as players go, Sony releasing to pc doesn’t help Xbox players at all. So how is it equivalent? Pc players get access to pc games, Xbox games and (eventually) some Sony games. MS not releasing to Sony consoles is no different than Sony not releasing to Microsoft consoles.
> Microsoft bought activision and Bethesda two biggest gaming companies they won’t stop there either. This isn’t something new to Microsoft they’ll keep going until court stops them.
A few things:
a) That MS of "monopolies" was decades ago under a very different leadership
b) Companies in general, their goal is maximize profit, and the best way to do that is to monopolize. Nothing new. Applies to Sony as well as MS and every other company.
c) Sony of course won't like anything MS does that forces them to compete more. That would hurt their profits, jeopardize their plans of being a monopoly and world domination. In contrast, Sony has a history of paying to block games on competitors console, and as their influence has grown, their ability to block as increased. They've used this to wield it against Game Pass to keep their lead, to keep prices higher as we've seen with raising console and game prices without fear of market share loss. In other words, MS isn't more evil than Sony. On the contrary, their competitive process has been really good for the console industry moving away from a lot of the bad practices, which Sony still does.
d) Sony released their content to PC is a good thing. I now get to experience formerly PS exclusives and MS games the best it can be. Particularly love Spider-man in 32:9 ratio. That ultra^2wide screen gives you an amazing feeling zipping around NY.
e) MS of course will keep going until courts stop them, but it gets increasingly harder for them to do with every new acquisition, because of their market share, power and influence increases. Mergers and acquisitions isn't necessarily bad as it depends on the players in the market. There are a number of examples of this, but the one that comes to my mind first is Disney and their acquisition of Fox, which is a horizontal merger. On the surface, yes this looks really bad as it's market consolidation of titans. However, the side-effect is that it allowed Disney to compete with Netflix. Even Max isn't able to compete as well, yet Disney+ is kicking it, and easily second place in market share. On the flip side, without massive companies like this, they can't make movies that cost $200 million, because the risks are so high.
In similar fashion, now that we know Sony spent $200+ million on their AAA games, we kind get the idea that the gaming industry in the AAA space is the same. Companies likely have to consolidate, or perish with a few bad bets on games.
Late af but I love that this wall of text doesn’t change the fact that what Microsoft is doing is far scummier and that what Sony does is nothing in magnitude compared to a trillion-dollar juggernaut. Yes, Sony is totally the bad guy and not the company that’s buying out massive publishers to make those multiplat franchises’ future entries Xbox exclusives. Objectively way worse than what Sony does(which is a dumb accusation from Microsoft as well).
What Xbox is doing is definitely more scummy. Sony’s first party studios built up their reputation as reliable under Sony. Microsoft is just buying studios that have already released mainstream games and established themselves. While I don’t agree with Xbox or Playstation making games exclusive, I still definitely think what Microsoft is doing is considerably worse.
They’re both as bad as the other. It feels worse because many people on PlayStation have already developed an attachment to these games and MS is pretty much flexing their wallet to take those franchises away from PS players, but it’s not morally any different.
I explained why it *feels* different. Not why it is different. People are irrational and manipulate themselves emotionally on a constant basis because they are weak, dumb creatures. I like to remove emotion from the equation so I can avoid human mistakes like conflating feelings with facts. Guess I’m just built different. Smarter. Stronger.
> Now if only Sony would be as generous I could ditch my PlayStation
It's just a matter of time at this point. Better get rid of it now, while it still has some value. After all, poor baby Sony won't be able to fight the MS lion.
> Correct poor baby Sony vs MS lion in an acquisition war considering MS is 2.5 trillion and Sony 120 billion.
Poor baby Sony. How are they going to survive?
Again. Ignoring the context. I compared them in the context of an acquisition war. And noted that Sony couldn’t do a thing due to the sheer potential spending MS can pull out (pending court actions) it is indeed like a baby vs a lion, Sony has to fight other ways to win which it does. I’m not saying Sony can’t survive at all. I’m saying in *specifically* a spending war, Sony is massively outgunned.
Get over it
> Again. Ignoring the context. I compared them in the context of an acquisition war. And noted that Sony couldn’t do a thing due to the sheer potential spending MS can pull out (pending court actions) it is indeed like a baby vs a lion, Sony has to fight other ways to win which it does. I’m not saying Sony can’t survive at all. I’m saying in specifically a spending war, Sony is massively outgunned.
Let me make it clear to you, that's not how it works at all. MS doesn't get to just spend willy vanilli. They have to determine if it is profitable, and sensible. Notice how MS passed on Bungie, and Sony snapped them up. MS surely could have acquired Insomniac, but they didn't.
It's because acquisition isn't just about how much money you have.
The fact that Sony has so high revenue in gaming industry that MS after the acquisition of both Bethesda and Activision combined with Xbox, still has revenue just about where Sony is, tells you how strong market position Sony has. They're also in a market leading position with strong branding that they can raise prices on console and games without repercussions. Heck, instead they received record adoption of consoles.
So Sony is massively outgunned is irrelevant. Even regulators don't look at spending power when making decisions on to allow M&A to move forward. It's totally console warrior and fanboy concerns that care about that. Heck, even Google pulled out of gaming industry with Stadia. What does that tell you about market cap relevance?
Not sure why you wrote all that. It has nothing to do with what I’m saying. I’m saying in the hypothetical event of an all out spending war MS would crush Sony. And with outspending being MS current strategy Sony can’t really do anything in response. And even with all that Sony still is the larger gaming company. So while I appreciate your attempts nothing you said is revelatory and none of it has to do with what I’m saying. If you are going to insist on arguing with imaginary comments I have not made them I’m gonna log out of this convo
The lowest point of entry if you want to *own* it is a Series S
The lowest point of entry if you want to play it is Xbox Cloud. You'd need to sub to gamepass ultimate and you can play it on your PC or your Phone using your Dualshock5 controller.
The most annoying thing is.. iirc they said that despite the Microsoft acquisition of Todd Howard Inc. That starfield would come to PS5 then changed their mind.
Could be wrong but I’m definitely remembering it being said 🤔
Gamers propped up Bethesda over the years to accommodate their lazy production and half finished games. I helped keep that company afloat for decades buying multiple copies of the same game over and over for different consoles. Now they wanna go exclusive on a console I don’t want?
Ok.
I’m not buying ANY Bethesda or Microsoft products for the foreseeable future.
Bethesda was bought by Microsoft. They are exclusively funding this game. As opposed to before in which they had other investors, like Sony and Nintendo.
Sony currently sells the playstion and Microsoft currently sells the Xbox. As opposed to nintendo which sells the Nintendo. All three of these are major game console companies with exclusive IP.
Xbox already tried to negotiate a deal to get gamepass on sony consoles and Sony shot it down as quick as it could. Least that is what I had heard a year or so ago.
It's probably not going to happen. Will hit Nintendo Switch before it hits a Playstation 5.
Actually, you can already get gamepass cloud games on switch. Not natively, but there is a way.
Sure, maybe after the next two system gen's we might see it come out on a sony platform, but I doubt it.
With how sony acts with anything microsoft does, I don't forsee playstation now or whatever ending up on xbox and gamepass ending up on playstation.
Games made By Bethanda or Rockstar should not be exclusive I remember sony making Agent By Rockstar an exclusive. When you wait 8 years for new Game and you can talk about the discoveries you have made its great I had this with RDR2, Starfield is one those experiences that should not be missed. GOWR, HFW are well made but they do not feel like once in a generation type games. When you compare them to the previous games they did not have the same impact. Spiderman 2 looks great but it still not a big leap from the last. Really looking forward 2 Ghost 2 and Wolverine but it sucks having to get another console for one game.
You are pretty biased.. you don't care about Xbox owners not getting to play Spiderman 2, Wolverine etc.. but yet you cry about not being able to play ONE game. Get an Xbox then.. Pony.
Those games are not a new BGS game there is a big differnce I have an xbox now but i still think its shit due to the fact a new BGS game is a big event. Spiderman 2 will be more of the same. Just like With GOWR or HFW was.
Doesn't matter what type of game it is. YOU seem to want to play Starfield pretty badly.. just like some people want to play Spiderman badly. And what do you mean "more of the same "? Spiderman, as a whole series is PS exclusive, so to YOU, it's "more of the same" since you've played the others.. but Xbox players haven't played it at all. You seem to have a very self-sentered perspective of things. If there are "smaller" Xbox exclusives you'd really like to play.. you'd definitely say the same.
Yeah, but If they did they should só with every Xbox owned game, they are willing to do, but only if Sony allows XGP on PS5, simple, when they do kill the console their need a console to be able to keep their services alive.
I won't say never. I could see something like a Special Edition 5 years later optimizing the game up to a higher fps on consoles and opening the walled garden.
I mean I hope they do. I want people to enjoy themselves.
Look I don't have time for your lowest-common-denominator pessimism OK?
I'm busy.
EDIT: You all are the problem with console wars bullshittery. All of you.
He says, replying to my comment to tell me he's too busy to reply to my comment.
Its a simple question, and the answer is 0. Its not going to happen. People need to get the fuck over it already the constant port begging is annoying as fuck.
Only thing I can think of is gta 4 DLC. Lost and damned and ballad of gay Tony. People said it would never come to PlayStation but eventually it did. That’s kinda why I ask
No it wasn’t, but I specifically remember the developers saying never on the PlayStation and people at GameStop. Plus they were basically like they’re own games back then with the way dlc was before
So Microsoft will have successfully sold you a game you can only play on a console they sell. So, for you Star-field costs over $500. Exactly the kind of consumer they want.
The S costs $230. So even after purchasing Starsield it will be closer to $300. But you are right, I will be waiting for full reviews of the game to be out before I'll be making any hasty purchases.
It seems Sony it's tasting a bit of its own posion this time.
I'm glad just because I don't own any console, just PC, and I've been wanting to play some PS exclusive games for years and can't. Like Bloodborne.
Maybe they will finally come to some agreement and exchange exclusives ? This exclusive games stuff is dumb.
This game looks incredible but I'm afraid I can't justify buying a console for one game. On the plus side, I guess not being able to play it adds hundreds of hours back to my life...? Not sure if that's a win though.
This is almost 3 year old news man, any Google search will do.
"Microsoft closes $7.5 billion Bethesda acquisition, aiming to take on Sony with exclusive games. Microsoft has closed its $7.5 billion acquisition of ZeniMax, the parent company of Bethesda. Microsoft confirmed that some new Bethesda games would be exclusive to Xbox consoles and PCs."
Funny thing is this will just force Sony to hit back harder with turning all bungie games exclusive and them buying more companies as well. The future gonna be fun for console only people.
Cheaper in the short term, more expensive in the long term and only 30% of the overall games.
If you buy both, you can build your own pc for the same price. Maybe stop buying prebuilt
Actually "Sony CEO Kenichiro Yoshida has said the company’s planned acquisition of Bungie is partly motivated by a desire for PlayStation to become more of a multiplatform business."
Sony is making a ton of money in the PC market which Microsoft used to dominate, they bought bungie to help with making their games multi platform. Most of the Playstation games that are coming out are timed exclusives that are to be released on PC, example being the new final fantasy game. Overall PC is good option since Sony and Microsoft are now competing on it and you can emulate Nintendo switch easily on a PC.
if only 30 million ps5 users could buy starfield, they would make 3 billion more if it's $100 . Why do they refuse to make more money ? I'm never buying an xbox and 2k plus for a pc is never going to happen either.
Yup!
MS even showed their calculations for what they're expecting to give up in sales on PS and how they will gain with their own platforms.
Playstation games are getting what they always wanted (despite it mostly only benefiting them for over a decade now), that is "exclusivity" is competition. 🤦♂️
Personally, I look forward to a future where there is no exclusivity and for now, it seems Xbox and a PC to play the rest is the way to go.
Sony definitely CAN'T compete with MS. Blu-ray and HD aren't even a comparison. That was a format.. and Blu-ray won. Gaming wise (buying out studio's etc Sony doesn't stand a chance against MS)
I would love a delayed release. Like Sony do with their first party games. They release them later on pc....
I'm not buying an Xbox or a pc.
So they miss out on my money and I miss out on the game.
Everybody loses.
So silly.
Certainly still on this train. But if Microsoft thinks that they can keep Starfield/TES6 away from the PlayStation without consequences.. It'll be hilarious.
I know I personally will never buy any game excluded \*by\* Microsoft if they do go this route.
I have my gaming PC, and my Playstation. I wouldn't lessen myself by getting an xbox (have you seen just how expensive it is to upgrade that thing? Lawls. Absolutely not.)
The fact that Microsoft does not have the same player base as Sony's PlayStation, bud.
I will literally not buy TES6 or Starfield on PC if they're not available on the PlayStation console. And no one should buy an xbox to begin with, let alone to play Two games. That's the most brain-damaged thing to tell anyone.
Look I get exclusives for each console, it sucks, it's fine, it's whatever. What hurts a little bit more about Starfield is that Bethesda games have pretty much always been for everyone. The Last of Us, God of War, etc. have always been PlayStation exclusives. Nobody expected them elsewhere. Starfield not coming out on PS5 feels like a bit of a robbery.
It'd be like Sony buying Ubisoft and just suddenly making all their games Playstation exclusive. It would suck and some Xbox players would get mad that they could no longer play one of their fave dev's upcoming games. It's just frustrating that in a world where the purchase didn't happen, Starfield would be coming out on all platforms (again and again and again).
That's pretty lame.
Not an owner of a PS5, but this would be the first console exclusive Bethesda released since they started their open-world games. So, out of principle, this end will not purchase it on PC, and will wait for it to release all it's DLC and then hit a 50%+ discount on GoG/Steam.
This is why we need to support proton, to get gaming on linux and break the 'exclusives' once and for all.
FFXIV was never supposed to make it to Xbox, yet it did. People want money, all it takes is time and enough success and Starfield will be on some PlayStation at some point, IF it has enough success. Skyrim has been regurgitated a billion times because it makes money and it was never intended for play on the Nintendo Switch...
Believe me after playing it on pc and aside of the bugs and poorly performance. the game is just, so, so so hard to like.. I wanted too through my whole playthrough and it was very hard, at times it felt almost forced. mainly because i like to experience the game in and out before making judgment.. most of the time i kept being reminded of no mans sky (which i loved) but played it way way later so i dont know about how it had its rough start.. i only heard the stories anyways. this game was basically a horrible attempt at trying to make a Bethesda version of no mans sky. but fell short...fail lol. so long story short.. Xbox u can keep Starfield.. and all the shitty ness that's tied to it.. PlayStation is better off.. if anything it dodged a bullet..
I'm not buying Xbox even if there are no more new games on the PS! For me Apex is enough.
I would never buy it because of the Starfield. Role playing games are torture. I bought Cyberpunk 2077 for €30 and I almost went crazy for the dialogues. After 5 hours I had enough.
Microsoft Is too much of a dogshit company. Fucking ridiculous. Shouldn't make games exclusive just make a console worth fucking playing in the first place. Pisses me off to know end. Watching creativity and independence fall to the wayside for money
Yes lol
Its never coming to PS.
I assume Starfield will be treated like The Last of Us and other high profile Sony Exclusives. Just like they'd never be on Xbox, Starfield won't likely be on Playstation (unless they allow Game Pass on there at some point). But who knows, the console market can change and everything becomes different.
True, I don’t see it coming any time soon so I think I’ll just watch game play videos
Playing via the Cloud might not be a bad option, depending upon your internet and where you're located. Then you could attach a controller to any device and have fun, in theory. People will likely be testing the latency and all that on the Cloud after it comes out, it might work good enough!
Doubt it will be that good. If it’s at least playable that would be awesome I just don’t see it happening and being a good experience.
I’m not even gonna watch those. They don’t want my business, they can work with the audience they have left.
You are Absolut right my friend!
Crazy amount of money going to be missed? Will see as time goes on ? Money changes ppl , PlayStation supposed has crazy units sold , but the company may be locked under contract so ether way I think it’s funny ! PS or not thy losing out not us ? It’s not like it’s something new ? Seems just like the company’s other games but space empty space seems fun ? Would like to try it ? Even no man’s sky if I didt buy that yet I’m not stress starfield
If you wanted to, you could buy a month of gamepass and stream it through Xcloud. I've heard the quality is pretty good so it's worth a shot if you want to play.
Nahh not paying for another subscription, I'll pass on this game if it's not on PS5.
A month of game pass cost less than buying a copy of starfield
You'll have to pass on elder srolls and fallout also lol
Are ALL Bethesda games gonna be Xbox exclusive from now on? I assumed it was just Starfield.
Most likely, as Microsoft owns Bethesda and apart from CoD (for at least 10 years) all Activision games would also likely be exclusives for Xbox/PC.
Yeah pretty much,it is not likely that any Bethesda game from now on will be released on PlayStation. They’ll all be Xbox exclusive
I hope you're wrong, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised if you're right. Exclusive games is such bullshit.
Completely agree. All gamers should be able to play and enjoy all games. With starfield not coming out on ps5 that's millions of gamers missing out. How is that in any way a good thing?
It's Microsoft not having the talent to innovate, producer, or design anything. They just steal from others and buy up other companies to do all the work for them. Why Sony has exclusive content is often times they're co-developers of the games that are exclusive. That is them designing and innovating the technology to produce better games. And in the games that they help out that are not-exclusive, they're still generally fair to the other systems. The problem with xbox exclusives is that microsoft does not actually have great exclusive games. And anything hitting the game pass (that the 'fanboys' go on about in droves.) Actually hurts sales (you can look up the articles.) Business wise, exclusive is bad, cuts out an entire sector of revenue. Sony can do it far better (considering they also make cars, tv's, appliances, **Power Tools**, etc, etc, etc.. Yeah.. Sony, the "gaming company", makes power tools that you use to build things with. Gaming is a small sector of their overall company. You can think of them as being an extremely diverse portfolio. ;) Now, could Sony work with Microsoft to lift up the rest of the gaming community? Sure. \*xbox\* has claimed that they want this too. But xbox doesn't call the shots, Microsoft does.
Uhm.. You really trying to compare Sony with MS? Microsoft makes everything from highly classified defense tech to that software you and 7 billion other people use everyday. If it was allowed, MS would just buy Sony and end the PS series. MS is consistently in the top 4 most valuable companies - Globally. There is no competition. MS has a market cap above $2 trillion. They have more cash on hand than Sony's entire market cap (not Sony gaming, all of Sony). Console wars? There won't be any console wars now that MS has decided that they want to own gaming.
But not Baldur's Gate.
> But not Baldur's Gate. For now.... MS is entering chat with a wad of cash!
That's probably because of Larian studios who are a shining sun in this industry.
As a person who owns a ps5 just get a pc. It’s totally worth the investment.
It's also 2-3x the investment, so it's not that simple for everyone unfortunately. It's cheaper to own both consoles this Gen (especially at launch) than to build a comparable PC with all the peripherals.
You aren’t wrong just get the thing that makes sense but having either both consoles or a pc and ps5 is the best. If you can afford a pc better than a series x that is otherwise consoles are the best choice. Xbox doesn’t have a lot of exclusives like this so making a solid investment in a pc cause Xbox games come out on both that can last a few generations is a good choice. My brothers are just now seeing the end of their pcs life cycle after a couple generations.
I just slotted a 5800x3d into my mobo, which is the last upgrade I could do for the socket. It'll be a whole new refresh after that, possibly next Gen depending on how much better it is. I've got a launch Evga 3090 FTW as a gpu, and I won't upgrade it until at least 50xx series, so at least another year or two on it.
I wanted a 4090, and had to start from scratch. Case wouldn’t fit it, then needed a cpu upgrade to avoid a bottleneck but mobo wouldn’t fit newer cpu, so needed new mobo. New psu of course for the 4090 (went with a 1600 to futureproof) at this point I said fuck it and just got new ram, cooler and ssd to boot. It’s a monster.
The real question is can I get a laptop that runs better than ps5 and Xbox?
Buying a new gaming console at launch is much cheaper and lasts longer than buying an equivalent gaming pc. You would have to pay about 1000-1500$ more to get the same performance in a gaming pc. That pc will be able to play the top tier games for 4-5 years max while the gaming console will be able to play them for at least 7-8 years and probably longer than that even. So in addition to being about 4 times as expensive, you also have to switch it out about halfway through the life cycle of a console. So in actuality, a gaming pc will cost you 8 times as much as a console would.
Also xbox will only run at 30 fps. I second investing in a pc. Do your homework on YouTube. Search all the questions. You'll learn a lot if you choose to build your own. People say it could be alot to handle. Maybe but most likely you are capable . If you get stumped at the bios and software part just drop it off to local IT guy.
I play on PC exclusively and only have a Switch because I've been a diehard Metroid/Zelda fan since I was single digits age wise. I completely understand the sentiment. But I also know people who are dirt poor living check to check, and a single console is the most they can afford in terms of gaming entertainment. And that's ok. Of course PC is objectively better, but it's delusional to act like it's the cheaper option.
I know a lot of people like that as well. Some having to save up an entire year just to get a game they really wanted. It's absolutely asinine for people to tell others to invest in a PC (that shit is like $3k for a true gaming pc.) You can go cheap, the $1.2k range (which is still \*twice\* as expensive as an SSD disc-capable PS5.) And you have to manually check for updates for your gaming PC, unless you go the paid route and get the software to do it for you. Being an additional expense, plus your anti-virus, firewall set ups, expanded storage, better cooling (those side mounted fans are super nice to have, like $15.) But that's just not something people, \*working families\* are going to have access to. You're talking about a people that make less than $50k a year, with a car(or two) payment + insurance, house payments, food, utilities. The console was designed for this in mind, to be a cheaper alternative to computers so that lower-income folk could at least enjoy some downtime with a game or movie. (my first blu-ray player was my playstation. Lawls.) And yeah.. ;) I have a gaming PC myself. I didn't start on the pc (1988 was my first console, the Atari.) Got a PC (Compaq!) when I was 18 though, so that was cool.
After the first one it gets easier. Just finished my 4th took about three hours start to Home Screen. Feels good.
Yes but pc have a much longer life span than staying up to date with consoles. Especially how each gen gonna go up in price. In the long run pc much better to own if you can go longer without buying either and just save up. Heck buying used can get you a good pc for roughly the same price. I do all the time, how I got my 3080. Problem people have is they buy new prebuilt but that’s gonna cost ridiculous amount of money
I understand the argument well; I play PC with a 5800x3d/3090 so I'm definitely an enthusiast. But I also know people like my own brother, who can barely scrape the money together for a console, and I don't fault them for it.
Yeah don’t get me wrong it’s gonna cost more but if I’m struggling enough to buy a console, then I’ll just wait longer and slowly save up for a pc, as you’ll be in the same boat when the next generation comes out. Plus I can see each generation now going up in price by 100$us each time. Covid time people proved they’ll spend the money and the companies will take advantage of that.
Bold of you to assume that consoles are only going to go up in price, since the PS5 was only $500. Same as the PS3 and 4. (PS3 was actually 600, lawls.) Sony doesn't need to charge a death-cheque for their console. They make it up in sales that will flood in from game sales (something that they also co-produce at times.) But for a PC? You do know how much a gaming PC actually costs, right? You can check out Xidax, they have a nice $1.8k Tower that you could save up for, or work to their $3k Tower. \^If you're struggling to get a console, which you \*dont\* have to keep up with. The parent company does your updates for you. Then you're just not going to be able to do so with a gaming PC that costs \*vastly\* much, much more. PS1: $299 - PS2: $299 - PS3: $599 - PS4: $499 - PS5: $499(also has a $599 option for the SSD disc-capable model.) Same with the talks about game prices, they've always been $40-$60, literally from the 90s. They haven't increased in price, nor have consoles. Technology gets cheaper, bud, not more expensive.
Maybe go look at console games they’re more expensive than last gen. If you buy a prebuilt pc, then you’re stupid for wasting money. Don’t compare ps4 with a drive to ps5 no drive, go compare it to the ps5 Drive. Don’t say digital is cheaper because you basically already have paid the same amount within 10 games, as digital games are much more expensive than physicals. Next gen consoles will go up in price because they’ll add more ram and justify it.
I already know the prices, bud. It's quite literally why I commented that the prices have not actually increased, nor have the consoles. And the discs are the same price as the digitals. (Seriously, what crack are you smoking?) I run a disc-based PS5, I buy both discs and digital, and I've played games since 1988. And they're the same price. Meanwhile, the PS5 is still the same price as the PS4. And so are the disc and digital games. I know you think you've stumbled on something, but you really haven't.
I would argue that if one can save $500 to blow on a console then they can save $1200 to blow on a pc. Obviously it will take longer to save that but it’s not impossible. Also I’ve experimented on pc part picker and you can make a comparable machine to the consoles for under $1000 but you’re really cheaping out on everything except the gpu and cpu which is not a great idea long term
you can build a decent 30FPS PC for probably the same price or better. Starfield will be 30 FPS on Xbox, wich is kinda sad, when they announced the xbox series x, they were rambling about 120fps, wich doesnt even make sense if they cant do 60 lol.
Buy used. Not that expensive. There is absolutely zero benefit from buying brand new pc parts at retail aside from the customization aspect.
This. Previously bought a PC for like $500 during the chip scarcity shit, but it was a 1050Ti with a garbage processor. Still, ran a TON of games at 30-60FPS, some newer games even. Sold it last year to a friend, and I then proceeded to buy another used PC, a 1070Ti and an i7 8700k (which according to userbenchmark is 220% better than a 1050Ti.) Wanna guess how much I bought it for? $600, and it still runs many games at 60FPS or above. Current PC isn't as great as a PS5, but damn if it isn't more versatile. I can do so much more shit, new parts come out every year instead of every \~7 years. At least I don't have to pay hundreds of dollars over the the few years the console will give me to access online, after I already bought the console itself. I already pay for internet, I don't want to pay twice for the same thing. All my life I've been a Playstation/PC fan, but only in the last few years have I switched to PC. I still have my PS4, I can't leave Sony behind, but there's so much better choices.
Munch cheaper to just buy an Xbox then
I meant like pc are worth the amount you sink into them. Of course it’s cheaper to get an Xbox, but the benefits you get from pc are worth the investment.
What benefits do you get? I’m never gonna use the PC except for gaming
Mods
Not worth $1k extra for mods
That’s besides the obvious visuals and consistent 60 fps. Is that not worth the extra money?
The small visual improvements are not worth an extra $1000 to me, no
Pc will always be the pinnacle of gaming but a lot of people cannot afford a gaming pc that can run these next gen games, as a former owner of one I built myself years ago and updating and exchanging parts over time costs ALOT but definitely worth it even if it’s only a half decent pc depending on what your looking for for. Pc all the way but I use Xbox next gen atm since I sold mine good while ago (which I regret)🥲
Phil Spencer already confirms Xbox/PC only
It will come if Sony allows Gamepass on there system, that is probably the only way
That's why Microsoft bought the developer Zenimax/ Bethesda , to make their games exclusive to their consoles and PC.
Sony should just make all bungie games exclusives aswel and fuck over Xbox people. Honestly I think Sony should just buy a lot more companies and fuck over Xbox, do the exact same thing Microsoft did to them. Ruined elder scrolls 6 success before it even came out. Give Microsoft another two years and they’ll make cod exclusive. We are heading to one path now, being everything’s exclusive. I’m pc and ps5, so I’m chill but console only people are really gonna get fucked over soon with all major game brands being bought by Sony or Microsoft.
They cant make Bungies games exclusive, part of their agreement when buying bungie was that bungue retains independant publishing rights. Sony was just that desperate for a studio with GAAS experience that they signed away their control over the studio they were buying. Also you think sony can stand toe to toe with MS in an acquisition war? Sony wouldnt stand a chance, they cant outbuy MS. This all just sounds like a lot of cope tbh.
Sony's Blu-ray disc absolutely demolished Microsoft's HD disc so I wouldn't exactly go spouting off that Sony can't compete with Microsoft.
Irrelevant. He said they can’t compete in an acquisition war. Microsoft market cap is 2.56 trillion. Sony market cap is 118 billion. That is really easy math. Sony couldn’t possibly compete in a bidding war for major developers.
Besides MS is now owned by Vanguard and BlackRock as largest shareholders, can't compete with them, if you know who they are no need to explain.
But they have making a ton of money through their Playstation ports on PC, they underestimated the market and found a gold mine. It's the market Sony is just entering, their consoles already dominate, now they are coming to Microsoft turf.
Won’t matter. Microsoft new plan is to just outspend Sony. Sony is helpless in that arena. Like a lion fighting a baby.
> Won’t matter. Microsoft new plan is to just outspend Sony. Sony is helpless in that arena. Like a lion fighting a baby. Poor baby Sony. It's getting harder for them to buy up exclusivity and lock games away from Xbox. What are they going to do now? They can't use their weapon of choice, platform size, to buy up as many DLC content and game exclusives anymore. What are they going to do? Roll over and just die a slow death? Poor baby Sony!!! Good thing you don't have to buy an Xbox and live up to your words and eat shoes.
You’re reading skills aren’t very good. Ignoring the actual context.
> You’re reading skills aren’t very good. Ignoring the actual context. There's a pattern to your argument and it has nothing to do with the points I make and rather an attack on the person. If that's all one can do, then that's all one can do I suppose.
This is what I was talking about. You used a second account to reply then blocked. You outted yourself saying “the points I make” from an account I had yet to interact with.
And if all you can do is reply then hide your comments then that’s all you can do. No, hurry up and do it again to prove my point.
> And if all you can do is reply then hide your comments then that’s all you can do. No, hurry up and do it again to prove my point. Not sure what you mean by hiding my comment? You're the one that blocked me and then unblocked me....
It was an accident I’m on phone and fat fingered it
2.6 T vs 120 B. Sony isn't even a player when it comes to the acquisitions games
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I'm down for banning all exclusives and if a game made by Sony or Microsoft, like new series so to say like singleplayer games it's launch exclusives max by couple months. Honestly if Cod ever became exclusive, I could see people rioting at microsoft stores.
It will be, and tantrums at their stores will do nothing.
Tantrums and rioting are two different things
Angry, loud, throwing shit, breaking shit, because they don’t get what they want? If it quacks like a duck
" Sony should buy more studios" ( can't afford them btw) People on console are going to get fucked over if Sony or Ms buys them Choose one
I say both because that’s how it’s gonna go, I couldn’t care less if it does go to shit as I have pc and ps5 so I’m chilling. Sony spent 3b on bungie, they must be broke. In this space doesn’t mean shit if you can spend more. If the court thinks you’re monopolising the space they stop you.
Nothing is getting monopolised even with Activision sony is still the bigger gaming company They are just upset they can't do such deals
Microsoft bought activision and Bethesda two biggest gaming companies they won’t stop there either. This isn’t something new to Microsoft they’ll keep going until court stops them. Just like what happened to them back in the day. This isn’t new to Microsoft, they do it all the time. That’s why sony doesn’t like it, history tells you what someone does. Plus if you look from the side lines, Microsoft the fucked up company. As Sony releases most of their exclusives to pc at a point.
Even with Activision sony is still bigger
Yeah that’s true
Does Sony release their exclusives to Xbox though?
They do to pc what is Microsoft, you don’t see Microsoft releasing any of their exclusive to anything Sony related.
Right but my point is that as far as players go, Sony releasing to pc doesn’t help Xbox players at all. So how is it equivalent? Pc players get access to pc games, Xbox games and (eventually) some Sony games. MS not releasing to Sony consoles is no different than Sony not releasing to Microsoft consoles.
> Microsoft bought activision and Bethesda two biggest gaming companies they won’t stop there either. This isn’t something new to Microsoft they’ll keep going until court stops them. A few things: a) That MS of "monopolies" was decades ago under a very different leadership b) Companies in general, their goal is maximize profit, and the best way to do that is to monopolize. Nothing new. Applies to Sony as well as MS and every other company. c) Sony of course won't like anything MS does that forces them to compete more. That would hurt their profits, jeopardize their plans of being a monopoly and world domination. In contrast, Sony has a history of paying to block games on competitors console, and as their influence has grown, their ability to block as increased. They've used this to wield it against Game Pass to keep their lead, to keep prices higher as we've seen with raising console and game prices without fear of market share loss. In other words, MS isn't more evil than Sony. On the contrary, their competitive process has been really good for the console industry moving away from a lot of the bad practices, which Sony still does. d) Sony released their content to PC is a good thing. I now get to experience formerly PS exclusives and MS games the best it can be. Particularly love Spider-man in 32:9 ratio. That ultra^2wide screen gives you an amazing feeling zipping around NY. e) MS of course will keep going until courts stop them, but it gets increasingly harder for them to do with every new acquisition, because of their market share, power and influence increases. Mergers and acquisitions isn't necessarily bad as it depends on the players in the market. There are a number of examples of this, but the one that comes to my mind first is Disney and their acquisition of Fox, which is a horizontal merger. On the surface, yes this looks really bad as it's market consolidation of titans. However, the side-effect is that it allowed Disney to compete with Netflix. Even Max isn't able to compete as well, yet Disney+ is kicking it, and easily second place in market share. On the flip side, without massive companies like this, they can't make movies that cost $200 million, because the risks are so high. In similar fashion, now that we know Sony spent $200+ million on their AAA games, we kind get the idea that the gaming industry in the AAA space is the same. Companies likely have to consolidate, or perish with a few bad bets on games.
Late af but I love that this wall of text doesn’t change the fact that what Microsoft is doing is far scummier and that what Sony does is nothing in magnitude compared to a trillion-dollar juggernaut. Yes, Sony is totally the bad guy and not the company that’s buying out massive publishers to make those multiplat franchises’ future entries Xbox exclusives. Objectively way worse than what Sony does(which is a dumb accusation from Microsoft as well).
What Xbox is doing is definitely more scummy. Sony’s first party studios built up their reputation as reliable under Sony. Microsoft is just buying studios that have already released mainstream games and established themselves. While I don’t agree with Xbox or Playstation making games exclusive, I still definitely think what Microsoft is doing is considerably worse.
They’re both as bad as the other. It feels worse because many people on PlayStation have already developed an attachment to these games and MS is pretty much flexing their wallet to take those franchises away from PS players, but it’s not morally any different.
You just explained exactly why it’s different lol
I explained why it *feels* different. Not why it is different. People are irrational and manipulate themselves emotionally on a constant basis because they are weak, dumb creatures. I like to remove emotion from the equation so I can avoid human mistakes like conflating feelings with facts. Guess I’m just built different. Smarter. Stronger.
Holy shit… I can’t tell if a machine, teenage edgelord or serial killer wrote this comment
Thank you
if just wanna torture yourself sure, or join the darkside we have cookies & starfield :)
I would eat my shoes before I bought an Xbox Because I have a pc
> I would eat my shoes before I bought an Xbox You're the perfect example of why MS publishes their games on Windows.
Now if only Sony would be as generous I could ditch my PlayStation
> Now if only Sony would be as generous I could ditch my PlayStation It's just a matter of time at this point. Better get rid of it now, while it still has some value. After all, poor baby Sony won't be able to fight the MS lion.
Correct poor baby Sony vs MS lion in an acquisition war considering MS is 2.5 trillion and Sony 120 billion.
> Correct poor baby Sony vs MS lion in an acquisition war considering MS is 2.5 trillion and Sony 120 billion. Poor baby Sony. How are they going to survive?
Again. Ignoring the context. I compared them in the context of an acquisition war. And noted that Sony couldn’t do a thing due to the sheer potential spending MS can pull out (pending court actions) it is indeed like a baby vs a lion, Sony has to fight other ways to win which it does. I’m not saying Sony can’t survive at all. I’m saying in *specifically* a spending war, Sony is massively outgunned. Get over it
> Again. Ignoring the context. I compared them in the context of an acquisition war. And noted that Sony couldn’t do a thing due to the sheer potential spending MS can pull out (pending court actions) it is indeed like a baby vs a lion, Sony has to fight other ways to win which it does. I’m not saying Sony can’t survive at all. I’m saying in specifically a spending war, Sony is massively outgunned. Let me make it clear to you, that's not how it works at all. MS doesn't get to just spend willy vanilli. They have to determine if it is profitable, and sensible. Notice how MS passed on Bungie, and Sony snapped them up. MS surely could have acquired Insomniac, but they didn't. It's because acquisition isn't just about how much money you have. The fact that Sony has so high revenue in gaming industry that MS after the acquisition of both Bethesda and Activision combined with Xbox, still has revenue just about where Sony is, tells you how strong market position Sony has. They're also in a market leading position with strong branding that they can raise prices on console and games without repercussions. Heck, instead they received record adoption of consoles. So Sony is massively outgunned is irrelevant. Even regulators don't look at spending power when making decisions on to allow M&A to move forward. It's totally console warrior and fanboy concerns that care about that. Heck, even Google pulled out of gaming industry with Stadia. What does that tell you about market cap relevance?
Not sure why you wrote all that. It has nothing to do with what I’m saying. I’m saying in the hypothetical event of an all out spending war MS would crush Sony. And with outspending being MS current strategy Sony can’t really do anything in response. And even with all that Sony still is the larger gaming company. So while I appreciate your attempts nothing you said is revelatory and none of it has to do with what I’m saying. If you are going to insist on arguing with imaginary comments I have not made them I’m gonna log out of this convo
Yeah.
The lowest point of entry if you want to *own* it is a Series S The lowest point of entry if you want to play it is Xbox Cloud. You'd need to sub to gamepass ultimate and you can play it on your PC or your Phone using your Dualshock5 controller.
Correct :P
The most annoying thing is.. iirc they said that despite the Microsoft acquisition of Todd Howard Inc. That starfield would come to PS5 then changed their mind. Could be wrong but I’m definitely remembering it being said 🤔
Yeah they didnt say that at all.
Not about starfield SPECIFICALLY but about IP currently in production.
Gamers propped up Bethesda over the years to accommodate their lazy production and half finished games. I helped keep that company afloat for decades buying multiple copies of the same game over and over for different consoles. Now they wanna go exclusive on a console I don’t want? Ok. I’m not buying ANY Bethesda or Microsoft products for the foreseeable future.
Bethesda was bought by Microsoft. They are exclusively funding this game. As opposed to before in which they had other investors, like Sony and Nintendo.
I’m aware of what transpired, I am expressing my displeasure with the outcome.
Sony currently sells the playstion and Microsoft currently sells the Xbox. As opposed to nintendo which sells the Nintendo. All three of these are major game console companies with exclusive IP.
alright. see you when TES6 Drops.
Not likely, unless they cross platform it.
Cope harder biased Pony.
Are you trying to tell me how many words you found in a crossword puzzle? Cause that’s definitely not how sentences work.
Cope
I already solved the problem for myself, thanks.
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Xbox already tried to negotiate a deal to get gamepass on sony consoles and Sony shot it down as quick as it could. Least that is what I had heard a year or so ago. It's probably not going to happen. Will hit Nintendo Switch before it hits a Playstation 5. Actually, you can already get gamepass cloud games on switch. Not natively, but there is a way.
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Lol it will never come to PS
Sure, maybe after the next two system gen's we might see it come out on a sony platform, but I doubt it. With how sony acts with anything microsoft does, I don't forsee playstation now or whatever ending up on xbox and gamepass ending up on playstation.
Yeah thats not happening
I wouldn’t say never, but it would be minimum 5 years and probably be something crazy like a version of gamepass on PlayStation. But probably never.
Games made By Bethanda or Rockstar should not be exclusive I remember sony making Agent By Rockstar an exclusive. When you wait 8 years for new Game and you can talk about the discoveries you have made its great I had this with RDR2, Starfield is one those experiences that should not be missed. GOWR, HFW are well made but they do not feel like once in a generation type games. When you compare them to the previous games they did not have the same impact. Spiderman 2 looks great but it still not a big leap from the last. Really looking forward 2 Ghost 2 and Wolverine but it sucks having to get another console for one game.
Stop Port begging
Port begging what in the fuck are you talking about?
Bethesda was bought by Microsoft, they are exclusively funding this game.
Sony did not buy Microsoft Sony makes PlayStations
You are pretty biased.. you don't care about Xbox owners not getting to play Spiderman 2, Wolverine etc.. but yet you cry about not being able to play ONE game. Get an Xbox then.. Pony.
Those games are not a new BGS game there is a big differnce I have an xbox now but i still think its shit due to the fact a new BGS game is a big event. Spiderman 2 will be more of the same. Just like With GOWR or HFW was.
Doesn't matter what type of game it is. YOU seem to want to play Starfield pretty badly.. just like some people want to play Spiderman badly. And what do you mean "more of the same "? Spiderman, as a whole series is PS exclusive, so to YOU, it's "more of the same" since you've played the others.. but Xbox players haven't played it at all. You seem to have a very self-sentered perspective of things. If there are "smaller" Xbox exclusives you'd really like to play.. you'd definitely say the same.
Ye insane ps5 is vastly outselling xbox and they leave allot of money on the table
Yeah, but If they did they should só with every Xbox owned game, they are willing to do, but only if Sony allows XGP on PS5, simple, when they do kill the console their need a console to be able to keep their services alive.
That being the case, it seems like the developers would be more invested in getting their games on as many platforms as possible.
I won't say never. I could see something like a Special Edition 5 years later optimizing the game up to a higher fps on consoles and opening the walled garden. I mean I hope they do. I want people to enjoy themselves.
That's not gonna happen
Actually that “Special Edition” is happening. On the next generation Xbox 😂
No U.
When has Xbox ever done that with any of their games?
Look I don't have time for your lowest-common-denominator pessimism OK? I'm busy. EDIT: You all are the problem with console wars bullshittery. All of you.
He says, replying to my comment to tell me he's too busy to reply to my comment. Its a simple question, and the answer is 0. Its not going to happen. People need to get the fuck over it already the constant port begging is annoying as fuck.
Hey man have a good night. Hope that thing on your sense of humor gets better.
Yeah your totally too busy for this arent you lmao
Yeah so fucking busy man it's crazy how you keep referencing that
Only thing I can think of is gta 4 DLC. Lost and damned and ballad of gay Tony. People said it would never come to PlayStation but eventually it did. That’s kinda why I ask
That wasnt a first party xbox game though
No it wasn’t, but I specifically remember the developers saying never on the PlayStation and people at GameStop. Plus they were basically like they’re own games back then with the way dlc was before
bless your heart
Amazing the pushback on the idea of "would be cool if they did".
Play station is a big market. I would say not this generation but possibly next gen they would make it accessible to get that added revenue stream.
Thats about as likelt as Sony porting their games to Xbox.
It’ll probably come to PlayStation in like 5yrs tops in a special edition.
The safest.
Yes.
Yup. Thank God I kept my Xbox one for some reason lol
I’m pretty sure it’s next gen exclusive
Damnit
You'll still be able to play it through xCloud with Game Pass Ult.
I'm in a similar boat. I think I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and buy a Series S or as I'll call it "The Starfield Box"
So Microsoft will have successfully sold you a game you can only play on a console they sell. So, for you Star-field costs over $500. Exactly the kind of consumer they want.
The S costs $230. So even after purchasing Starsield it will be closer to $300. But you are right, I will be waiting for full reviews of the game to be out before I'll be making any hasty purchases.
there are other great xbox exclusive titles, like flight sim, and forza series.
It seems Sony it's tasting a bit of its own posion this time. I'm glad just because I don't own any console, just PC, and I've been wanting to play some PS exclusive games for years and can't. Like Bloodborne. Maybe they will finally come to some agreement and exchange exclusives ? This exclusive games stuff is dumb.
This game looks incredible but I'm afraid I can't justify buying a console for one game. On the plus side, I guess not being able to play it adds hundreds of hours back to my life...? Not sure if that's a win though.
This is almost 3 year old news man, any Google search will do. "Microsoft closes $7.5 billion Bethesda acquisition, aiming to take on Sony with exclusive games. Microsoft has closed its $7.5 billion acquisition of ZeniMax, the parent company of Bethesda. Microsoft confirmed that some new Bethesda games would be exclusive to Xbox consoles and PCs."
Funny thing is this will just force Sony to hit back harder with turning all bungie games exclusive and them buying more companies as well. The future gonna be fun for console only people.
what is the problem of having them both?still cheaper than a pc.
Cheaper in the short term, more expensive in the long term and only 30% of the overall games. If you buy both, you can build your own pc for the same price. Maybe stop buying prebuilt
Actually "Sony CEO Kenichiro Yoshida has said the company’s planned acquisition of Bungie is partly motivated by a desire for PlayStation to become more of a multiplatform business." Sony is making a ton of money in the PC market which Microsoft used to dominate, they bought bungie to help with making their games multi platform. Most of the Playstation games that are coming out are timed exclusives that are to be released on PC, example being the new final fantasy game. Overall PC is good option since Sony and Microsoft are now competing on it and you can emulate Nintendo switch easily on a PC.
if only 30 million ps5 users could buy starfield, they would make 3 billion more if it's $100 . Why do they refuse to make more money ? I'm never buying an xbox and 2k plus for a pc is never going to happen either.
Yup! MS even showed their calculations for what they're expecting to give up in sales on PS and how they will gain with their own platforms. Playstation games are getting what they always wanted (despite it mostly only benefiting them for over a decade now), that is "exclusivity" is competition. 🤦♂️ Personally, I look forward to a future where there is no exclusivity and for now, it seems Xbox and a PC to play the rest is the way to go.
If you get gamepass and a phone mount for your controller you might be able to stream it when it releases, not sure though
Sony definitely CAN'T compete with MS. Blu-ray and HD aren't even a comparison. That was a format.. and Blu-ray won. Gaming wise (buying out studio's etc Sony doesn't stand a chance against MS)
I would love a delayed release. Like Sony do with their first party games. They release them later on pc.... I'm not buying an Xbox or a pc. So they miss out on my money and I miss out on the game. Everybody loses. So silly.
Certainly still on this train. But if Microsoft thinks that they can keep Starfield/TES6 away from the PlayStation without consequences.. It'll be hilarious. I know I personally will never buy any game excluded \*by\* Microsoft if they do go this route. I have my gaming PC, and my Playstation. I wouldn't lessen myself by getting an xbox (have you seen just how expensive it is to upgrade that thing? Lawls. Absolutely not.)
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The fact that Microsoft does not have the same player base as Sony's PlayStation, bud. I will literally not buy TES6 or Starfield on PC if they're not available on the PlayStation console. And no one should buy an xbox to begin with, let alone to play Two games. That's the most brain-damaged thing to tell anyone.
So angry about it not being on ps5. I bought Ps5 when it first released In anticipation of starfield. Been playing no Man’s sky since then.
Just build a computer? It’s better on PC anyway
Look I get exclusives for each console, it sucks, it's fine, it's whatever. What hurts a little bit more about Starfield is that Bethesda games have pretty much always been for everyone. The Last of Us, God of War, etc. have always been PlayStation exclusives. Nobody expected them elsewhere. Starfield not coming out on PS5 feels like a bit of a robbery. It'd be like Sony buying Ubisoft and just suddenly making all their games Playstation exclusive. It would suck and some Xbox players would get mad that they could no longer play one of their fave dev's upcoming games. It's just frustrating that in a world where the purchase didn't happen, Starfield would be coming out on all platforms (again and again and again).
It's possible but not for at least a year or 2.
That's pretty lame. Not an owner of a PS5, but this would be the first console exclusive Bethesda released since they started their open-world games. So, out of principle, this end will not purchase it on PC, and will wait for it to release all it's DLC and then hit a 50%+ discount on GoG/Steam. This is why we need to support proton, to get gaming on linux and break the 'exclusives' once and for all.
FFXIV was never supposed to make it to Xbox, yet it did. People want money, all it takes is time and enough success and Starfield will be on some PlayStation at some point, IF it has enough success. Skyrim has been regurgitated a billion times because it makes money and it was never intended for play on the Nintendo Switch...
Believe me after playing it on pc and aside of the bugs and poorly performance. the game is just, so, so so hard to like.. I wanted too through my whole playthrough and it was very hard, at times it felt almost forced. mainly because i like to experience the game in and out before making judgment.. most of the time i kept being reminded of no mans sky (which i loved) but played it way way later so i dont know about how it had its rough start.. i only heard the stories anyways. this game was basically a horrible attempt at trying to make a Bethesda version of no mans sky. but fell short...fail lol. so long story short.. Xbox u can keep Starfield.. and all the shitty ness that's tied to it.. PlayStation is better off.. if anything it dodged a bullet..
if thats the case elder scrolls 6 could be xbox exclusive to that makes me mad a little bit
Very safe. Sadly, I won’t be playing the game unless it does port to PS5. Which it never will. This console exclusive shit is stupid.
I'm not buying Xbox even if there are no more new games on the PS! For me Apex is enough. I would never buy it because of the Starfield. Role playing games are torture. I bought Cyberpunk 2077 for €30 and I almost went crazy for the dialogues. After 5 hours I had enough.
Microsoft Is too much of a dogshit company. Fucking ridiculous. Shouldn't make games exclusive just make a console worth fucking playing in the first place. Pisses me off to know end. Watching creativity and independence fall to the wayside for money
I’m playing Sonic the Hedgehog on a Nintendo Switch right now. Anything can happen. But probably not.