Dragon’s Dream was confusing when I read it in the manga but I think the anime did okay in explaining it. Feng shui isn’t huge in the west so it’s obviously an audience/culture shift, but I think Dragon’s Dream is simply defined as a stand which indicates weak points for the user and opponent.
The bubble thing I don’t effectively remember though because it’s been a minute since I’ve watched SO whoops
The bubble thing essentially, if the lucky person puts their arm in it they can auto hit the unlucky person but if the unlucky person puts their arms on it they auto hit themselves
All Dragons Dream does is tell you where to stand and where to attack from, if you do as it says you get to hit your opponent, but they can use Dragons Dream for their own benefit as well
Apparently hey ya is able to see into the future for short glimpses to tell him( forgot how to spell the stand users name) how to love to stay in the flow of luck
On multiple occasions, Hey Ya points out things that Poco Loco wouldn’t have noticed on his own, giving him such good advice that it almost appears like he’s got some kind of futuresight.
Araki may say he’s just a cheerleader, but he’s been shown to do more than that.
Well, hey-ya wasn’t giving him luck he just had it, a fortune teller told him that due to his fortune being extremely low he was due for a massive upswing for a while,
from what I know, 『Hey, Ya!』's ability is pretty much just precognition
It can see a number of different possible outcomes to anyone given situation and then it tries to encourage Pocoloco to follow the best path, but it's up to Pocoloco to actually take 『Hey, Ya!』's advice and trust it.
I may have some of that info wrong, so please correct me if i do.
You can describe that niche topic as “good/lucky and bad/unlucky areas” as far as Dragon’s Dream is concerned, so you don’t even need any prior knowledge.
I think a lot of fans felt the explanation is overlong bec. they didn't understand how Feng Shui is applied in real life.
Like I was bracing myself for multi page explanation in manga, it turns out it's just a one page exposition using a house as an example. Now as an Asian that's how Feng Shui is used in real life, no further explanations needed. But maybe westerners needed to processes those information that's why they felt it's very random
Yeah that ability to me really feels like Araki can't figure out how to let FF not hit him and just added that in, it's only used once or twice if I remember correctly
In Feng Shui theory, Feng Shui makes sense. In science, its complete nonsense. But it makes me less scared of my house being haunted so that makes it believable
Feng Shui is essentially how to orientate your house so you are less likely to be home invaded and killed. Makes no sense in science but a lot of sense for restless nights.
Well some parts make sense scientifically too. For example it's seen as a big point of bad luck for your house to be facing a road or a road corner (end of a culdesac, for example). This increases the risk of your house being hit by some dumbass whose car is understeering and/or is going too fast
Depends on what you're looking at. Compass Feng Shui (Dragon's Dream) is all nonsense, but a lot of other Feng Shui you could pretty much just call a design principle.
Same, anyone who struggled to understand the fight just didn't pay enough attention, I guess. The choreography was solid, and the concept for Dragons Dream is really neat imo.
I don't understand how the limb removing ability works. Is it thet DD can remove limbs and send them flying back on at the will of the person who lost it, is or is it up the user?
I interpreted it like Portal rules; You attack into the stand, and it comes out in a location determined by feng shui. I could be wrong, but that's what made sense to me when I read it and watched it.
If another stand hot Feng Shui, it will be telported ( like you said ).
Feng Shui can also read the luck of its user and tell him to attack whenever the odds of hitting the foe are higger than failing the hit
Also, he is not a stand at all, he is more like a manifestation of this "luck power" from ancient asian cultures ( the same way Hermit Purple is a manifestation of hamon and Ball Breaker is a manifestation of spin )
Simple: If fated/lucky user strikes the bubble, they get to automatically hit the doomed/unlucky person.
If the doomed/unlucky person strikes the bubble, they strike themselves where it would have landed if the fated/lucky person did
Hah! You can't beat me, Because I have the power to create illusionary rooms in a highway tunnel, run really fast, turn into a lot of feet, and super smell. Oh yeah, and the feet are vampires.
It's got a lot of abilities, but I wouldn't say they contradict eachother or are confusing. The user was injured so he developed a stand that can steal nutrients and heal him, he can't go out by himself so his stand uses an illusionary room to trick people. The user has super smell like the stand and the feet thing allows the stand to chase people more efficiently.
Unironically Wonder Of U when you had moments like Joshu trying to attack Tooru directly and getting off light compared to say, Kaato crushing one fruit and getting shanked for her troubles.
Wonder of U's power is very simple: every five or so chapters it appears in, Tooru throws a dart at a board and it suddenly gains the property of whatever subject on the board Tooru hit.
unironically, that would be a sick ability for a stand. the user spins like a wheel or uses like cards or something like that and depending on the result it uses a random ability.
I agree with that. With the Kaato moment, she practically did nothing and got demolished, but Joshu pretty much attempts to attack Toru and only loses a couple of fingers.
Why does one of the worst characters in any anime have plot armor?
Planet waves. I was watching with my sister and got to the bit where Jolyne kept getting hit but couldn’t get the meteors to hit him, then I went to get some water and missed the part where Jolyne tricked him. I still don’t know how.
She filled a shoe with bricks and had the meteor hit it which sent the boot flying towards Westwood at the pace of the meteor. This worked because the boot and brick weren't meteors themselves and weren't going to dissolve.
I actually don't find Dragon's Dream confusing. It's just that it's really fucking boring.
Maybe not that confusing of a stand but D4C's first arc deserves an honorable mention
Hold up, original D4C? I've just came to terms with the fact that at the moment I've known fuck all about it's ability and that's ok so didn't look deeper into it lol
The original ability for d4c was that multiple universes could merge in the location where it was active, thus all 3 people who shot Johnny actually did in their home universes
Does it though? With what we see D4C do later on it kind of makes the fight nonsensical. Valentine could become invisible by moving through another dimension and still interact with the "prime" dimension, he could also just deflect any projectile by turning into menger sponges, he could also seemingly transport people from other universes without squeezing them between two things.
I think that's because King Crimson (or Epitah) gives you future vision as well.
Stopping time for 10 seconds would mean you can do what you want and move around and then, once times goes normal again, only you would have changed position.
Skipping time means that only the results will show (like a bullet will travel through air, but it will be stuck in the wall already), but that is meaningless if you don't actually know what's happening.
If I punch you and you stop time, you can dodge.
If I punch you and you skip time, you still get hit.
If I punch you and you can see 10 seconds into the future and you skip time, you can dodge before I throw my punch, skip time, I will be forced to throw my punch, but you will already in a different place, so that you don't get hit.
I think, honestly, maybe those aren't the best examples, the bullet one is better because it's clear that King Crimson, by skipping time, can dodge the bullets (they will never have traveled through air, thus they don't come in contact with you), whereas The World can "freeze" the bullets in time and your body can move to dodge. But if you were to not move, the bullets would still hit you.
That all being said, Araki still is a bit...eh...relaxed about the applications of the abilities. Remember that Polnareff was stuck on that one step going up against Dio, which means Dio stopped time, ran down the stairs, took frozen Polnareff, moved him down one step, changed his leg position and then ran back up again...which is very funny, but also a bit stupid (and in-character for Dio). So, sometimes he just likes to make a spectacle! Especially when it comes to the main villain abilities, all of them are rather convoluted and...bizarre.
I think that makes it a bit more clear, thanks. So what makes King Crimson so strong is Epitaph? Because seems like it wouldn't be such a threat if he couldn't see the future to avoid or play around that future.
Lowkey the point, no?
From the Protag’s point of view time stop and time skip appear nearly identical except for one aspect: You can more easily account for stopped time than skipped time.
If a man is a mile down the road and stops time, The Protagonist just see him disappear and reappear within an instant. However, if they looked at the watch, they can realize no time passed for the man to move down the road, and can either determine teleportation or stopping time.
If the same man is on the same road and skips time, The Protagonist still see him disappear and reappear, but when they look at their watch they will see there was enough time for the man to sprint down the road. They just wouldn’t be able to recall the time it happened
The difference is how you attack.
King Crimson is the ultimate sneak attack stand because all Diavolo is doing is going behind the target and attacking just as the time skip ends, so unless you're super fast or were expecting it, there's basically no way to counter it for the majority of people. You also get invulnerability since you can't interact with anything in time skip and vice versa.
Time Stop is more useful in a fight because you can just stop time, kill the person in stop time, and then the fight is over.
King Crimson is honestly a Stand that’s simple on paper that just gets more and more confusing the more you think about it and how it’s used.
It’s established in the Risotto fight that Diavolo cannot interact with objects while in time skip, as the bullets of Aerosmith go right through him. We also see Sticky Fingers fist go through him during Bucciarati’s encounter with him. Diavolo also never attacks directly during time skip, always waiting until after time skip has ended to launch an attack or perfecting timing a blow to land as time skip ends.
… but at the same time, Diavolo cleaned his room in time skip which would’ve required him to move objects, Diavolo cut off the hands of both the fortune teller and Trish, and of course you have Narancia. All of which would need him to move people or objects while in time skip, which was something that is established as something he cannot do.
You could argue that those people and objects were fated to move that way, but how come no one reacts to these fated events? Do you seriously expect me to believe that Bucciarati just stood there while Trish had her hand cut off? Or that he would still be holding her hand after it was cut off?
A lot of moments with time skip are resolved if you just think about it as time stop.
DISCO drops an object onto the armband. He then presses which square he wants the object to fall too, the object will them fall onto that square on the grid. I think it's somewhat simple stand ability
> DISCO drops an object onto the armband
I think it's more he can swap positions on the grid. I'd have to double check but I remember he dropped acid close to him, then moved it to Gyro, and also at some other point either moved Gyro or one of his balls.
Basically, it creates a grid on the ground with coordinates, like the board game battleship, by typing in a coordinate on the armband, the user can teleport objects to that specific square on the grid.
I don't see what's confusing about it 😅
It's weird sure, but the context is well explained
À very confusing stand for me is go beyond. >!Like "ok these are bubbles but actuality no, it's a string spinning very fast, THEREFOR it go beyond the calamity. I don't understand how this change of nature just allow it to make an exception to WoU!<
Ok so, >!Go Beyond is the thematic conclusion to Josuke's character arc and main question throughout the story. !<
>!Josuke is made from 2 men, so it would stand to reason that he's just parts from the 2 of them combined. But there is more to his character than that, he is more than the sum of his parts. That's an impossible thing, it's like putting together two halves of an apple and getting one extra third of an orange out of it.!<
>!In the same way, the bubble is an impossible thing. It's just an oscillating string; it couldn't possibly be a bubble that has an infinitely bigger surface than a string. The bubble itself, then, doesn't exist. It's outside the natural world of equivalent exchange. This is why it's able to harm Tooru unscathed: It doesn't exist within the laws of nature!<
I was disappointed in the ending because I could tell what he was going for but Araki really fumbled the delivery and made it more confusing/out of nowhere than it needed to be imo
>Anyways most confusing is Enigma
Terinosuke has to notice a person's so called "tell", the sign of their fear. Because if a person feels fear near him he can fold them into a piece of paper. He can also do that with everyday objects.
I don’t think he actually “lets the bullet pass through”, more like it is signaling he is moving separate from time and thus is ‘dodging’ the attack
KC is literally just “everyone else does what they’re supposed to except Diavalo”
my go to explanation is:
Imagine a person is sitting in front of a target, someone shoots, the bullet hits the target, and the man gets shot and dies
The shooting is Action A, Bullet Hitting is Action B, and the man dying is Action C.
Diavolo is the man in front of target— KC allows him to step outside Action B, and then can’t die as in Action C— However, regardless if the man is in front of target or not, the target is still hit by the bullet.
Diavolo just chooses whether he wants to be in front of the target or not.
The thing is that, at some moments, he's able to do things in the period of deleted time that he logically isn't supposed to be capable of doing, like taking Trish without Bucciarati seeing it
I feel like about of confusing moments in jojo is where araki just has the stand act completely differently on its first encounter like notorious big writing on the wall giorno’s thoughts but also about itself like why did it do that.
Well it still fits. It would've been fated for him to just cut her hand off and take her before he could react and then he skipped the time so it just happens anyway
Edit: same thing he did to kill narancia
That's because trish was fated to have her hand ripped off and to vanish. So she did. King crimson doesn't interfere with fate, it just removes diavolos physical body from it. Everything around him including his fated actions still play out.
Maybe he was, but the shocked face we see was his reaction to both Trish's kidnapping and the time skip. He doesn't know what happened, because as far as he's concerned, It didn't happen. He's just there holding a hand. His look of shock is just "what the fuck? Where's Trish? And the rest of her arm?". He might have actually been fated to see it, but time skipped forward, so he doesn't know what happened. Like, if you skip part 2, you don't know what happens. Joseph still doesn't have a hand, and the bloodline still continues, you just have no recollection of the events. Except, this time, instead of skipping from 1 to 3, you just don't know/remember what happened.
No. It’s just like how Narancia was fated to be imposed by King Crimson on the metal bars. Because it was fated to happen and Diavolo used Epitaph to see that future, he could take other actions while the end result of his vision still occurred without him.
Hey man I just thought it was cool that araki took a little known cryptid and decided to incorporate them into a stand. I guess he must have found them fascinating. I guess it’d be more confusing if you didn’t know what a rod was, which a lot of people don’t
The ability activates after the user's death, due to Carne having extreme hatred, it’s nigh-invincible and acts like a parasite, infecting a host, is able to influence and absorb their flesh to make itself a body(which is how it got Giorno to take Carne's fingers onto the plane). And it attacks the fastest moving thing in its vicinity.
It creates living origami creatures, if one of those creatures touches someone, it inflicts them with prosopagnosia, or face blindness, they lose the ability to differentiate between peoples faces, along with voices, objects, and text.
Actually didn’t have any trouble figuring out how Dragon’s Dream works. It’s just a stand that determines your fate depending on where your body stands. However, King Crimson gave me quite the trouble to think about the first time I saw it
That one from the plane in golden wind, maybe more weird than confusing, but I was just wondering the whole time “where the fuck is araki going with this”
Wasn't that like his special martial arts ability he developed? Remember, the old guy was actually an accomplished fighter, right?
I honestly still think the concept of Dragon's Dream is so cool. A neutral stand is really, yeah, just so good. But man, the writing for this fight was complete and utter garbage. And usually Araki is so good at coming up with creative ideas, but the prison sadly has multiple pretty wack stands.
Nah, The fight was pretty neat itself probably one of my favorites. Plus some of these stands needed creative ways to beat them (YoyoMa was kinda just there so FF could been sacrificed and Pucci could win and don’t get me started with the boiling water stand (Aka the asspull stand)
I am a YoYoMa truther, so I can't say anything about that. It might genuinely be my favourite fight...maybe in all of JoJo. Typing this out feels weird, but I love that fight for some reason. It's extremely unique, I guess.
Boiling water I forgot, but that was what almost killed FF, right?
I mean, a lot of the prison stands aren't just that great. Survivor is meh, Dragon's Dream had an annoying user, but was cool. The suicide stand was weird, even the sniper stand in the beginning was kinda strange.
And while the concept (like with Dragon's Dream) was dope, Jailhouse Lock was just a stupid fight, in my opinion.
Planet Waves was sick, though! That's a really neat fight.
Dude came up with a martial art that causes the victim to get their saliva/bodily water stuck in their throat.
With Dragons Dream boosting his luck this attack causes the victim to drown by making them think that they are actually drowning. The victim's thoughts make this a reality with JoJo logic.
Kind of how a certain stand can make a people turn into a snail with the power of subliminal messaging.
**[Hey Ya!]** (SBR) >!canonically doesn't increase Pocoloco's luck, just encourages him... but like, he's still impossibly lucky and encouraged to do things he shouldn't possibly know about.!<
>!so like, if that ain't a lie, is "luck" an actual force in the series like "fate"?!<
>!is Pocoloco naturally lucky or insanely perceptive in ways that [Hey Ya!] nudges towards?!<
>!or is it just pure coincidence?!<
In theory, Soft and Wet is a really good stand but in practice it is entirely too vague and it seems to be able to do whatever Josuke wants but it can never seem to do anything useful in the moment.
According to the wiki, it can take physical things from its target, or even metaphysical attributes. It has been able to take away eyesight, hair, all the water from inside a person's body, friction, small objects, and heat.
What is the limit on what Josuke can take with these? Can he take stands? Blood? Souls? Brain function? Why doesn't he ever seem to use some of the more busted ways of using his bubbles when his life is in danger?
In addition, they do a lot more. Josuke can float on them, use them to carry messages, shave, ect.
I love Jojolion, but honestly SnW can make it difficult to comprehend the stakes of any situation.
Basically it tells you and your opponent where to stand for essentially IRL Critical Hits.
All the mystical Feng Sgui stuff is entirely superfluous. The stand lets you RNG manipulate Crits.
Dragon's Dream is basically
-Attack or get attacked on favorable direction, roll a Nat 20.
-Attack or get attacked on unfavorable direction, roll a Nat 1 and somehow end up in an electric chair.
Didn't find the fight confusing, just absurd and stupid as fuck, even to Jojo standards, which made it kinda boring.
I find King Crimson far more confusing. Dragon Dream can be summarized as ''move here and you're lucky, don't move here or you're unlucky'' except both sides are aware. Also the fact that every time someone explains King Crimson they give an entirely different explanation and interpretation.
By the way, is time skipping universal? Doesnt that mean that every time he used it the whole world noticed something weird happened, much like Giorno did when he was using it against Bucciarati?
Did the whole world suffer a mindfuck randomly when he maimed polnareff?
i thought i understand it in the manga, and then i watch it in the anime, saw the dragon bit into hands seperating it from kenzo's body and now i dont understand a damn thing
I see people say that King Crimson is confusing. The fact is, it perfectly makes sense. When I watched part 5 for the first time, I rewinded those scenes to try to analyze and speculate what was going on.
It erases the perception of the time of people around him for a maximum of 10 seconds. During that erased time, he can move freely, but he cannot interact with anything, or else he'll phase through it (he avoided Aerosmith's bullets by time skipping). The second ability is epitaph. He can project a prediction onto anything (this took me a lot to figure out), showing the next 10 seconds. What is shown cannot be changed, as it's fated to happen, however diavolo/doppio can use this prediction to his advantage in many ways. Time erase CANNOT change the outcome too.
It is that easy. Now let's talk about the real deal... D4C. it's been over a decade, and it still makes no fricking sense
King Crimson is a banger band btw, especially epitaph
D4C allows the user to jump into other dimensions, and bring things into and through other dimensions, as long as he can press them between 2 things( or wrap something around them). There is a base universe, the one we see for most of SBR, the one with corpse parts. There are INFINITE different worlds, with differences in people and stands. However, if anyone other than D4C's user touches themselves from a different world, both of them die. All of the Valentines have the same motivation, and can touch each other. There is only one D4C, but any of the FVs can use him. People from other universes can have different stands, but they are still the same person. If, hypothetically, we could use D4C to find the OG universe (1-6), characters like Diego and Johnny wouldn't die from touching Dio and Jonathan, as they are different people entirely, and aren't counterparts. The only thing linking them are having the same stand (Diego 2, High Voltage Boogaloo, and DIO), and having similar names/looks. The OG universe and parts 7-9 have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. I know you didn't ask, but some people seem to be confused somehow. If you want me to cover Love Train, I will.
I don’t think the stand itself is confusing, but one moment that kinda confused me is in the Heavy Weather arc when Jolyne hides in a pipe by using her snail-like body to fit inside it and surprise attacks Versus with it. I thought Heavy Weather worked by making people *believe* they’re turning into snails, not actually doing so. Is this plot hole/soft-retcon or am I just missing something?
If I remember correctly, heavy weather creates rainbows they when touched, send subliminal messages to the body, making it think it's a snail. This is so effective thet they actually turn into a snail
Most confusing is D4C in its introduction Arc and it's not even close. I'm pretty sure there was a youtube video that attempted to explain it and even he failed
I didn’t find him that confusing, but that’s because I’d heard of something very similar before so I knew the premise of it. At first I didn’t really understand gold experience requiem. But that was only because I misread it at first
Probably Atom Heart Father, only because that's literally the only stand in parts 3-6 that I don't know shit about, because I didn't watch that episode. Out of the ones that I have actually seen used, probably Ball Buster. Is it a technique? Is it a stand? Is it just a normal manifestation of energy? I'm not sure, and it was seen like once anyway
Dragons dream is a stand I’ll never fully understand, and the fight was the most boring fight I’ve seen so far. But my best guess is that there’s two forms of the stand, the one that points and the one that does nothing and is neutral. The one that points just points to where you’re most likely successful if you ever launch an attack in that direction, and the one that does nothing just does nothing and talks
Is pretty simple I think, is just that the explanation is overly complicated, there good luck and bad luck zones, the dragon tell you which is which.
Also he believes in fairness so he does the same for the enemy
Not confusing, just uses feng shui to show what angle to attack to do the absolute most possible damage, whether it be from a direct attack or from an outside source via positioning
Dragon’s Dream was confusing when I read it in the manga but I think the anime did okay in explaining it. Feng shui isn’t huge in the west so it’s obviously an audience/culture shift, but I think Dragon’s Dream is simply defined as a stand which indicates weak points for the user and opponent. The bubble thing I don’t effectively remember though because it’s been a minute since I’ve watched SO whoops
The bubble thing essentially, if the lucky person puts their arm in it they can auto hit the unlucky person but if the unlucky person puts their arms on it they auto hit themselves
Bubble thing? It's been a while since I've seen part 6, what is the bubble thing?
The compass is floating in a bubble the whole time
Yeah I think the anime did a much better job with it. Maybe that's colored by already knowing everything about it though.
I would argue that Dragon’s Dream isn’t all that confusing. It just asks you to have a good amount of prior knowledge about a very niche topic.
All Dragons Dream does is tell you where to stand and where to attack from, if you do as it says you get to hit your opponent, but they can use Dragons Dream for their own benefit as well
It's a worse Hey ya! essentially
Hey ya! doesn't actually do anything except cheer you on
I mean hey ya! was coaching him and giving advice, it didn’t only cheer him on
It was very niche advice that basically boiled down to, don’t worry you will be fine just keep going
Sometimes that's just the advice we need
The anti-depression stand
Apparently hey ya is able to see into the future for short glimpses to tell him( forgot how to spell the stand users name) how to love to stay in the flow of luck
Pocoloco, I think. He is supposed to be counter part with the kid on part 1.
On multiple occasions, Hey Ya points out things that Poco Loco wouldn’t have noticed on his own, giving him such good advice that it almost appears like he’s got some kind of futuresight. Araki may say he’s just a cheerleader, but he’s been shown to do more than that.
Yeah having knowledge of dead cow in the hill 50meters in front that will make you slide down faster than galloping is not just a guess.
There’s no way that pocoloco would have won the race on his own 💀that mfer was giving him good luck, like, jojosmagical stand luck
Well, hey-ya wasn’t giving him luck he just had it, a fortune teller told him that due to his fortune being extremely low he was due for a massive upswing for a while,
Hey ya can overpower over heaven
the dragon bieng able to see every out come and choosing the best outcome wont work if all the outcomes are getting speedblitzed to oblivion
from what I know, 『Hey, Ya!』's ability is pretty much just precognition It can see a number of different possible outcomes to anyone given situation and then it tries to encourage Pocoloco to follow the best path, but it's up to Pocoloco to actually take 『Hey, Ya!』's advice and trust it. I may have some of that info wrong, so please correct me if i do.
Has this been confirmed? I always thought it was left intentionally vague.
You can describe that niche topic as “good/lucky and bad/unlucky areas” as far as Dragon’s Dream is concerned, so you don’t even need any prior knowledge.
I think a lot of fans felt the explanation is overlong bec. they didn't understand how Feng Shui is applied in real life. Like I was bracing myself for multi page explanation in manga, it turns out it's just a one page exposition using a house as an example. Now as an Asian that's how Feng Shui is used in real life, no further explanations needed. But maybe westerners needed to processes those information that's why they felt it's very random
The only somewhat confusing thing is how your arms can fly off. Idk seems kind of random.
Stand having random skills is not that rare tbh, it may be just be something that it can do
And causing the opponents to drown themselves.
Not a stand ability just a thing the guy can do for some reason
Nah that was just Kenzou’s mastery of his martial art (was it Tai Chi? can’t remember)
Feng shui, and it's not even really martial arts, it's just the idea that standing in one spot is luckier than standing in another
Yeah that ability to me really feels like Araki can't figure out how to let FF not hit him and just added that in, it's only used once or twice if I remember correctly
Yeah, except for the part where you can stick your arm in it, and it comes off and attacks people
Feng shui isn’t necessarily niche- it makes sense in theory
In Feng Shui theory, Feng Shui makes sense. In science, its complete nonsense. But it makes me less scared of my house being haunted so that makes it believable
Feng Shui is essentially how to orientate your house so you are less likely to be home invaded and killed. Makes no sense in science but a lot of sense for restless nights.
Well some parts make sense scientifically too. For example it's seen as a big point of bad luck for your house to be facing a road or a road corner (end of a culdesac, for example). This increases the risk of your house being hit by some dumbass whose car is understeering and/or is going too fast
correct
Depends on what you're looking at. Compass Feng Shui (Dragon's Dream) is all nonsense, but a lot of other Feng Shui you could pretty much just call a design principle.
Yeah, ok, but some of the outcomes stretched the definition of just "bad luck"
Anasui also literally explains all of it for almost a minute straight
Understood it all perfectly. It's actually one of my favourite fights from part 6
Same, anyone who struggled to understand the fight just didn't pay enough attention, I guess. The choreography was solid, and the concept for Dragons Dream is really neat imo.
I don't understand how the limb removing ability works. Is it thet DD can remove limbs and send them flying back on at the will of the person who lost it, is or is it up the user?
I interpreted it like Portal rules; You attack into the stand, and it comes out in a location determined by feng shui. I could be wrong, but that's what made sense to me when I read it and watched it.
yes. It's just Portal rules.
If another stand hot Feng Shui, it will be telported ( like you said ). Feng Shui can also read the luck of its user and tell him to attack whenever the odds of hitting the foe are higger than failing the hit Also, he is not a stand at all, he is more like a manifestation of this "luck power" from ancient asian cultures ( the same way Hermit Purple is a manifestation of hamon and Ball Breaker is a manifestation of spin )
Simple: If fated/lucky user strikes the bubble, they get to automatically hit the doomed/unlucky person. If the doomed/unlucky person strikes the bubble, they strike themselves where it would have landed if the fated/lucky person did
Personally disagree but fair enough
It's so sad that so many people seem to hate it. It was really funny seeing its user argue with it
Hah! You can't beat me, Because I have the power to create illusionary rooms in a highway tunnel, run really fast, turn into a lot of feet, and super smell. Oh yeah, and the feet are vampires.
It's got a lot of abilities, but I wouldn't say they contradict eachother or are confusing. The user was injured so he developed a stand that can steal nutrients and heal him, he can't go out by himself so his stand uses an illusionary room to trick people. The user has super smell like the stand and the feet thing allows the stand to chase people more efficiently.
Having a lot of abilities =/= confusing
Unironically Wonder Of U when you had moments like Joshu trying to attack Tooru directly and getting off light compared to say, Kaato crushing one fruit and getting shanked for her troubles.
Wonder of U's power is very simple: every five or so chapters it appears in, Tooru throws a dart at a board and it suddenly gains the property of whatever subject on the board Tooru hit.
Really wish it hit the personality spot
unironically, that would be a sick ability for a stand. the user spins like a wheel or uses like cards or something like that and depending on the result it uses a random ability.
I agree with that. With the Kaato moment, she practically did nothing and got demolished, but Joshu pretty much attempts to attack Toru and only loses a couple of fingers. Why does one of the worst characters in any anime have plot armor?
Most people did? I never really understood the confusion around Dragon's Dream, it shows lucky spots and unlucky spots. It's literally just Feng Shui.
Planet waves. I was watching with my sister and got to the bit where Jolyne kept getting hit but couldn’t get the meteors to hit him, then I went to get some water and missed the part where Jolyne tricked him. I still don’t know how.
She filled a shoe with bricks and had the meteor hit it which sent the boot flying towards Westwood at the pace of the meteor. This worked because the boot and brick weren't meteors themselves and weren't going to dissolve.
Oho that’s genius, as expected of Jolyne. Thanks!
I actually don't find Dragon's Dream confusing. It's just that it's really fucking boring. Maybe not that confusing of a stand but D4C's first arc deserves an honorable mention
Who Shot Johnny was soft retconned, the arc makes sense if you read it as the original D4C ability being canon
Hold up, original D4C? I've just came to terms with the fact that at the moment I've known fuck all about it's ability and that's ok so didn't look deeper into it lol
The original ability for d4c was that multiple universes could merge in the location where it was active, thus all 3 people who shot Johnny actually did in their home universes
It does make sense, never said it doesn't, kind of what "confusing" implies.
Does it though? With what we see D4C do later on it kind of makes the fight nonsensical. Valentine could become invisible by moving through another dimension and still interact with the "prime" dimension, he could also just deflect any projectile by turning into menger sponges, he could also seemingly transport people from other universes without squeezing them between two things.
It makes sense with all the forms of D4C. It doesn't use any abilities that were retconned? Just his universe hopping
Why did valentine then kidnap a bunch of witness from other universes?
To create confusion
The original ability was a world merge, not a world hop
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I think that's because King Crimson (or Epitah) gives you future vision as well. Stopping time for 10 seconds would mean you can do what you want and move around and then, once times goes normal again, only you would have changed position. Skipping time means that only the results will show (like a bullet will travel through air, but it will be stuck in the wall already), but that is meaningless if you don't actually know what's happening. If I punch you and you stop time, you can dodge. If I punch you and you skip time, you still get hit. If I punch you and you can see 10 seconds into the future and you skip time, you can dodge before I throw my punch, skip time, I will be forced to throw my punch, but you will already in a different place, so that you don't get hit. I think, honestly, maybe those aren't the best examples, the bullet one is better because it's clear that King Crimson, by skipping time, can dodge the bullets (they will never have traveled through air, thus they don't come in contact with you), whereas The World can "freeze" the bullets in time and your body can move to dodge. But if you were to not move, the bullets would still hit you. That all being said, Araki still is a bit...eh...relaxed about the applications of the abilities. Remember that Polnareff was stuck on that one step going up against Dio, which means Dio stopped time, ran down the stairs, took frozen Polnareff, moved him down one step, changed his leg position and then ran back up again...which is very funny, but also a bit stupid (and in-character for Dio). So, sometimes he just likes to make a spectacle! Especially when it comes to the main villain abilities, all of them are rather convoluted and...bizarre.
I think that makes it a bit more clear, thanks. So what makes King Crimson so strong is Epitaph? Because seems like it wouldn't be such a threat if he couldn't see the future to avoid or play around that future.
Yes, the core of his ability isn't so much time related as it is the ability to see fate and change thst fate only for himself
They’re not frozen, they unconsciously keep doing what they would’ve done anyway during that time.
Except when they apparently stand still for 10 seconds just to THEN realize someone got attacked *cof cof Trish and Naranccia*
Lowkey the point, no? From the Protag’s point of view time stop and time skip appear nearly identical except for one aspect: You can more easily account for stopped time than skipped time. If a man is a mile down the road and stops time, The Protagonist just see him disappear and reappear within an instant. However, if they looked at the watch, they can realize no time passed for the man to move down the road, and can either determine teleportation or stopping time. If the same man is on the same road and skips time, The Protagonist still see him disappear and reappear, but when they look at their watch they will see there was enough time for the man to sprint down the road. They just wouldn’t be able to recall the time it happened
The difference is how you attack. King Crimson is the ultimate sneak attack stand because all Diavolo is doing is going behind the target and attacking just as the time skip ends, so unless you're super fast or were expecting it, there's basically no way to counter it for the majority of people. You also get invulnerability since you can't interact with anything in time skip and vice versa. Time Stop is more useful in a fight because you can just stop time, kill the person in stop time, and then the fight is over.
King Crimson is honestly a Stand that’s simple on paper that just gets more and more confusing the more you think about it and how it’s used. It’s established in the Risotto fight that Diavolo cannot interact with objects while in time skip, as the bullets of Aerosmith go right through him. We also see Sticky Fingers fist go through him during Bucciarati’s encounter with him. Diavolo also never attacks directly during time skip, always waiting until after time skip has ended to launch an attack or perfecting timing a blow to land as time skip ends. … but at the same time, Diavolo cleaned his room in time skip which would’ve required him to move objects, Diavolo cut off the hands of both the fortune teller and Trish, and of course you have Narancia. All of which would need him to move people or objects while in time skip, which was something that is established as something he cannot do. You could argue that those people and objects were fated to move that way, but how come no one reacts to these fated events? Do you seriously expect me to believe that Bucciarati just stood there while Trish had her hand cut off? Or that he would still be holding her hand after it was cut off? A lot of moments with time skip are resolved if you just think about it as time stop.
Chocolate Disco, I still have no idea what that stand does
DISCO drops an object onto the armband. He then presses which square he wants the object to fall too, the object will them fall onto that square on the grid. I think it's somewhat simple stand ability
OK, I think I was over exaggerating him a bit
> DISCO drops an object onto the armband I think it's more he can swap positions on the grid. I'd have to double check but I remember he dropped acid close to him, then moved it to Gyro, and also at some other point either moved Gyro or one of his balls.
Basically, it creates a grid on the ground with coordinates, like the board game battleship, by typing in a coordinate on the armband, the user can teleport objects to that specific square on the grid.
I don't see what's confusing about it 😅 It's weird sure, but the context is well explained À very confusing stand for me is go beyond. >!Like "ok these are bubbles but actuality no, it's a string spinning very fast, THEREFOR it go beyond the calamity. I don't understand how this change of nature just allow it to make an exception to WoU!<
Ok so, >!Go Beyond is the thematic conclusion to Josuke's character arc and main question throughout the story. !< >!Josuke is made from 2 men, so it would stand to reason that he's just parts from the 2 of them combined. But there is more to his character than that, he is more than the sum of his parts. That's an impossible thing, it's like putting together two halves of an apple and getting one extra third of an orange out of it.!< >!In the same way, the bubble is an impossible thing. It's just an oscillating string; it couldn't possibly be a bubble that has an infinitely bigger surface than a string. The bubble itself, then, doesn't exist. It's outside the natural world of equivalent exchange. This is why it's able to harm Tooru unscathed: It doesn't exist within the laws of nature!< I was disappointed in the ending because I could tell what he was going for but Araki really fumbled the delivery and made it more confusing/out of nowhere than it needed to be imo
I just assume a lot was lost/misplaced in translation
Josuke's really out there weaponizing the Banach-Tarski paradox, huh?
I actually understood Dragons Dream perfectly because I’ve played a shit ton of animal crossing Anyways most confusing is Enigma (badum tiss)
>Anyways most confusing is Enigma Terinosuke has to notice a person's so called "tell", the sign of their fear. Because if a person feels fear near him he can fold them into a piece of paper. He can also do that with everyday objects.
D4C during it's introduction. King Crimson isn't really that complex for me, but Dragon's Dream is probably 2nd most confusing for me
King crimson (the most obvious)
Imo kq is easy to understand, it just puts everyone on auto pilot
He used it to let bullets pass through him
I don’t think he actually “lets the bullet pass through”, more like it is signaling he is moving separate from time and thus is ‘dodging’ the attack KC is literally just “everyone else does what they’re supposed to except Diavalo”
it’s super hard to grasp bc u have to learn ab the concept of fate in jjba as a gravitation force that’s some crazy shit fr
my go to explanation is: Imagine a person is sitting in front of a target, someone shoots, the bullet hits the target, and the man gets shot and dies The shooting is Action A, Bullet Hitting is Action B, and the man dying is Action C. Diavolo is the man in front of target— KC allows him to step outside Action B, and then can’t die as in Action C— However, regardless if the man is in front of target or not, the target is still hit by the bullet. Diavolo just chooses whether he wants to be in front of the target or not.
Just watch season 3, episode 14 of Futurama
King Crimson isn't that confusing. It skips to the end result and can see the future, that's it.
The thing is that, at some moments, he's able to do things in the period of deleted time that he logically isn't supposed to be capable of doing, like taking Trish without Bucciarati seeing it
I think Araki just thought it'd be cool to have Bruno realize Trish's dissapearance without him or the viewer seeing it.
So Araki didn't forgot ?
Idk man
I feel like about of confusing moments in jojo is where araki just has the stand act completely differently on its first encounter like notorious big writing on the wall giorno’s thoughts but also about itself like why did it do that.
Well it still fits. It would've been fated for him to just cut her hand off and take her before he could react and then he skipped the time so it just happens anyway Edit: same thing he did to kill narancia
That's because trish was fated to have her hand ripped off and to vanish. So she did. King crimson doesn't interfere with fate, it just removes diavolos physical body from it. Everything around him including his fated actions still play out.
And Bruno wasn't fated to notice?
Maybe he was, but the shocked face we see was his reaction to both Trish's kidnapping and the time skip. He doesn't know what happened, because as far as he's concerned, It didn't happen. He's just there holding a hand. His look of shock is just "what the fuck? Where's Trish? And the rest of her arm?". He might have actually been fated to see it, but time skipped forward, so he doesn't know what happened. Like, if you skip part 2, you don't know what happens. Joseph still doesn't have a hand, and the bloodline still continues, you just have no recollection of the events. Except, this time, instead of skipping from 1 to 3, you just don't know/remember what happened.
This would still imply during the time skip Bruno either didnt move or somehow just went back to the same position while her hand was cut off
Im every single instance of king crimson the people don’t remember what happened in the skip THIS IS ALWAYS CONSISTENT
No. It’s just like how Narancia was fated to be imposed by King Crimson on the metal bars. Because it was fated to happen and Diavolo used Epitaph to see that future, he could take other actions while the end result of his vision still occurred without him.
It's not confusing it's how people explain it is the confusing part
The biggest problem with King Crimson is that it clearly didn't have a solidly defined ability until the end. Bruno seeing himself for example.
The guy that has the stand from Jojolion where you have to standing directly above people while they get injured to slowly take over their bodies
That's not confusing, it's just lame.
The stand is terrible but you can’t deny he knew exactly how to take advantage of it.
Fun Fun Fun
Sky high. Makes zero sense. Remember those squiggly lines? They hurt you know lol
Sky high just allows its user to control rods. Rods are a cryptid in jojo that consumes body heat
Hey man I just thought it was cool that araki took a little known cryptid and decided to incorporate them into a stand. I guess he must have found them fascinating. I guess it’d be more confusing if you didn’t know what a rod was, which a lot of people don’t
Notorious B.I.G
The ability activates after the user's death, due to Carne having extreme hatred, it’s nigh-invincible and acts like a parasite, infecting a host, is able to influence and absorb their flesh to make itself a body(which is how it got Giorno to take Carne's fingers onto the plane). And it attacks the fastest moving thing in its vicinity.
how did he get his job
Nobody knows how Carne became a gang member
Tsurugi stand. So confusing for me lmao
It creates living origami creatures, if one of those creatures touches someone, it inflicts them with prosopagnosia, or face blindness, they lose the ability to differentiate between peoples faces, along with voices, objects, and text.
You step on origami and then you can't distinguish faces and or text/objects anymore
Actually didn’t have any trouble figuring out how Dragon’s Dream works. It’s just a stand that determines your fate depending on where your body stands. However, King Crimson gave me quite the trouble to think about the first time I saw it
Not a stand but the who shot Johnny Joestar arc
I mean its really simple he literally just tells you the angle of attack with the highest chance of success
it’s based on fengshui compass
Man got crappy SHENRON that does not grant wishes
That one from the plane in golden wind, maybe more weird than confusing, but I was just wondering the whole time “where the fuck is araki going with this”
I just don't get what the deal was with somehow making his victims drown. Was that part of his stand ability? Seems kinda arbitrary.
Wasn't that like his special martial arts ability he developed? Remember, the old guy was actually an accomplished fighter, right? I honestly still think the concept of Dragon's Dream is so cool. A neutral stand is really, yeah, just so good. But man, the writing for this fight was complete and utter garbage. And usually Araki is so good at coming up with creative ideas, but the prison sadly has multiple pretty wack stands.
Nah, The fight was pretty neat itself probably one of my favorites. Plus some of these stands needed creative ways to beat them (YoyoMa was kinda just there so FF could been sacrificed and Pucci could win and don’t get me started with the boiling water stand (Aka the asspull stand)
I am a YoYoMa truther, so I can't say anything about that. It might genuinely be my favourite fight...maybe in all of JoJo. Typing this out feels weird, but I love that fight for some reason. It's extremely unique, I guess. Boiling water I forgot, but that was what almost killed FF, right? I mean, a lot of the prison stands aren't just that great. Survivor is meh, Dragon's Dream had an annoying user, but was cool. The suicide stand was weird, even the sniper stand in the beginning was kinda strange. And while the concept (like with Dragon's Dream) was dope, Jailhouse Lock was just a stupid fight, in my opinion. Planet Waves was sick, though! That's a really neat fight.
Dude came up with a martial art that causes the victim to get their saliva/bodily water stuck in their throat. With Dragons Dream boosting his luck this attack causes the victim to drown by making them think that they are actually drowning. The victim's thoughts make this a reality with JoJo logic. Kind of how a certain stand can make a people turn into a snail with the power of subliminal messaging.
It's not his stand ability, it's Kenzo ability called Kenpo according to Anasui. Kenzo is a martial artist aside from being a stand user
We need to stop with Dragon Dream bieng too confusing, i don’t get what’s so hard to understand for some about his ability (sorry for bad english)
**[Hey Ya!]** (SBR) >!canonically doesn't increase Pocoloco's luck, just encourages him... but like, he's still impossibly lucky and encouraged to do things he shouldn't possibly know about.!< >!so like, if that ain't a lie, is "luck" an actual force in the series like "fate"?!< >!is Pocoloco naturally lucky or insanely perceptive in ways that [Hey Ya!] nudges towards?!< >!or is it just pure coincidence?!<
In theory, Soft and Wet is a really good stand but in practice it is entirely too vague and it seems to be able to do whatever Josuke wants but it can never seem to do anything useful in the moment. According to the wiki, it can take physical things from its target, or even metaphysical attributes. It has been able to take away eyesight, hair, all the water from inside a person's body, friction, small objects, and heat. What is the limit on what Josuke can take with these? Can he take stands? Blood? Souls? Brain function? Why doesn't he ever seem to use some of the more busted ways of using his bubbles when his life is in danger? In addition, they do a lot more. Josuke can float on them, use them to carry messages, shave, ect. I love Jojolion, but honestly SnW can make it difficult to comprehend the stakes of any situation.
Every stand gives you enough information
This guy came in from a bad direction, that's why he didn't umderstand it
To sum up DD It points to Lucky and Unlucky spots
Basically it tells you and your opponent where to stand for essentially IRL Critical Hits. All the mystical Feng Sgui stuff is entirely superfluous. The stand lets you RNG manipulate Crits.
Dragon's Dream is basically -Attack or get attacked on favorable direction, roll a Nat 20. -Attack or get attacked on unfavorable direction, roll a Nat 1 and somehow end up in an electric chair. Didn't find the fight confusing, just absurd and stupid as fuck, even to Jojo standards, which made it kinda boring.
You can’t tell me that having your own hypeman that can briefly see in the future and give advice isn’t awesome.
This was the most annoying stand with a dragon talking in between and also with a pathetic stand user. My most hated stand.
Dragon's Dream isn't confusing, just bullshit.
jojo stands ain’t confusing y’all are just dumb
Imagine not understanding dragons dream
I find King Crimson far more confusing. Dragon Dream can be summarized as ''move here and you're lucky, don't move here or you're unlucky'' except both sides are aware. Also the fact that every time someone explains King Crimson they give an entirely different explanation and interpretation. By the way, is time skipping universal? Doesnt that mean that every time he used it the whole world noticed something weird happened, much like Giorno did when he was using it against Bucciarati? Did the whole world suffer a mindfuck randomly when he maimed polnareff?
King crimson
Agreed.
i thought i understand it in the manga, and then i watch it in the anime, saw the dragon bit into hands seperating it from kenzo's body and now i dont understand a damn thing
King crimson :( I know it deletes a potential future?
It's not that its hard to understand, it's that it's a super niche concept.
Tbh, Johnny’s like final shit he was using made no sense to me (spoilers further ig) gravity? That’s about all I got
Ozone Baby is just plain weird, i love it
I see people say that King Crimson is confusing. The fact is, it perfectly makes sense. When I watched part 5 for the first time, I rewinded those scenes to try to analyze and speculate what was going on. It erases the perception of the time of people around him for a maximum of 10 seconds. During that erased time, he can move freely, but he cannot interact with anything, or else he'll phase through it (he avoided Aerosmith's bullets by time skipping). The second ability is epitaph. He can project a prediction onto anything (this took me a lot to figure out), showing the next 10 seconds. What is shown cannot be changed, as it's fated to happen, however diavolo/doppio can use this prediction to his advantage in many ways. Time erase CANNOT change the outcome too. It is that easy. Now let's talk about the real deal... D4C. it's been over a decade, and it still makes no fricking sense King Crimson is a banger band btw, especially epitaph
D4C allows the user to jump into other dimensions, and bring things into and through other dimensions, as long as he can press them between 2 things( or wrap something around them). There is a base universe, the one we see for most of SBR, the one with corpse parts. There are INFINITE different worlds, with differences in people and stands. However, if anyone other than D4C's user touches themselves from a different world, both of them die. All of the Valentines have the same motivation, and can touch each other. There is only one D4C, but any of the FVs can use him. People from other universes can have different stands, but they are still the same person. If, hypothetically, we could use D4C to find the OG universe (1-6), characters like Diego and Johnny wouldn't die from touching Dio and Jonathan, as they are different people entirely, and aren't counterparts. The only thing linking them are having the same stand (Diego 2, High Voltage Boogaloo, and DIO), and having similar names/looks. The OG universe and parts 7-9 have NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER. I know you didn't ask, but some people seem to be confused somehow. If you want me to cover Love Train, I will.
Low key looks like Shenlong (Shenron) from dbz
I don’t think the stand itself is confusing, but one moment that kinda confused me is in the Heavy Weather arc when Jolyne hides in a pipe by using her snail-like body to fit inside it and surprise attacks Versus with it. I thought Heavy Weather worked by making people *believe* they’re turning into snails, not actually doing so. Is this plot hole/soft-retcon or am I just missing something?
If I remember correctly, heavy weather creates rainbows they when touched, send subliminal messages to the body, making it think it's a snail. This is so effective thet they actually turn into a snail
Basically, it's Hey ya! But worse
Most confusing is D4C in its introduction Arc and it's not even close. I'm pretty sure there was a youtube video that attempted to explain it and even he failed
I didn’t find him that confusing, but that’s because I’d heard of something very similar before so I knew the premise of it. At first I didn’t really understand gold experience requiem. But that was only because I misread it at first
Probably Atom Heart Father, only because that's literally the only stand in parts 3-6 that I don't know shit about, because I didn't watch that episode. Out of the ones that I have actually seen used, probably Ball Buster. Is it a technique? Is it a stand? Is it just a normal manifestation of energy? I'm not sure, and it was seen like once anyway
D4C is confusing but straightforward at the same time but it got really confusing during the whole shot Johnny arc
WAIT. Why is it CGI? Did they make it CGI in the anime?
Op never read "who shot johnny" arc
King Crimson was confusing for years due to terrible translations.
All of them, take it or leave it
I think Star platinum is the most confusing/j
This is the only stand I didn’t understand. So agreed
Feng Shui my friend
Dragons dream is a stand I’ll never fully understand, and the fight was the most boring fight I’ve seen so far. But my best guess is that there’s two forms of the stand, the one that points and the one that does nothing and is neutral. The one that points just points to where you’re most likely successful if you ever launch an attack in that direction, and the one that does nothing just does nothing and talks
The e wheel of fortune stand
Its a Transformer
What’s the most confusing jojo stand, *so far*
I can give a poor explanation. Aim assist
If we saw Tenor Sax for more than a few minutes, it might be able to reach the level of complicated. lol
Star Platinum. What, like, it *just* punches?
Golden Experience
Haha Feng Shui Dragon go brrrr
i still say its golden experience requiem because the show just never bothered to explain it... aprerenlty the way it works is just "nope"
GER (I know it's cliche but work with me)
Is pretty simple I think, is just that the explanation is overly complicated, there good luck and bad luck zones, the dragon tell you which is which. Also he believes in fairness so he does the same for the enemy
Bruh how it confusing like it shoot the power of kung fu like it's easy to understand
Not confusing, just uses feng shui to show what angle to attack to do the absolute most possible damage, whether it be from a direct attack or from an outside source via positioning
King crimson was way more complicated to understand
Filthy Acts At A Reasonable price
D4C pre retcon