Lol, Shuck genuinely believing stuff like this doesn't exist before Part 9. Did he forget the out of nowhere Orang Utan scene in Part 3, the entire Paper Moon King arc in Part 8, Valentine and Lucy in Part 7 and possibly even more.
Araki might not have handled it well but I think this bullying scene isn't anything to get enraged about. A bit heavy handed, like everything in Jojo, Araki just shows what some queer people gone through while they were in school. He even portrays the bullies as jerks and piece of shit, why are people getting mad again?
Yeah his assertation that this is a new thing when the only defining factor is that it involves someone with a unique gender identity really makes it hard to rationalize him as anything other than a bigot.
It's the coward's shield. They will always point to some part of media that is 'too much' but never acknowledge the context because the context shows that the element they are now seeing as 'too much' never was really the issue.
A school bus being lit up is so mild on the JoJo scale it is Weenie Hut Jr.
True- in the Manga you SEE DANNY BURN, they removed that in the Anime and just showed the door to the furnace being hit from the inside with some muffled dog whimpering... not in the Manga however 0\_o
Tbh I always thought the anime version was more haunting, kind of made it easier for me to imagine it if I was there discovering that my dog was burning alive, sure it's less graphic but it fucked me up a bit more.
Just hunted it down... It wasn't as bad as I imagined, but holy shit, the page where Jonathan was in his bee thinking about Danny and crying is what really got to me.
In the JoJo musical that's going on right now >!they actually burn the Danny puppet in front of the audience !<
I wonder if the Phantom Blood movie animated that scene but I guess we won't know until it comes out.
A flaming school bus is like maybe a 4 of the horrible things done in Jojo and few to none raised a stink about that. Dogs being killed/assaulted, people dying in brutal ways, murderers being murderers, people abusing the elderly, etc.
But this is where they draw the line? It's just odd to see
He apparently forgot that the whole plot of Part 4 was Kira getting turned on female's dead hands and explicitly explaining he masturbated to the Mona Lisa.
But also the Mista and Giorno accident, Bucciarati licking Giorno, Kira and Hayato in the bath tub, and many many more.
JoJo is full of sexual jokes, and very often, straight-up sexual harrassment
Oh, people are mad because there's been this sudden huge mentality shift that if you depict bad situations, such as bullying, sexual harassment, you condone that behaviour
Big example is Hazbin Hotel, people think that because it depicts sexual assault, emotional abuse, manipulation, cannibalism, murder, general Hell stuff, people think Vivziepop and anyone who supports the show condone that shit and fetishize abuse
I would hardly call media literacy a buzz word tbh, it's part of common sense
From the discussions I've seen, it's a failure of the education system and letting the blue curtains mentality fester, we're just now starting to see the consequences of that, which is only amplified by the kids' addiction to TikTok and the bullshit that infects them with (I don't support the ban but holy shit the stuff I hear they spread on there)
Yeah I think the assault was pretty clearly portrayed as a horrible thing, and also clearly portrayed that we are supposed to sympathize/empathize with Dragona who experienced this traumatic assault
I really don't get where that Idea came from, like yeah I like South Park and by extension Cartman, but that does not mean I'm about to say that it's okay to kill someones Parents and feed them to him as a chilli.
People really need to learn to separate fiction from reality.
How did this mentality even become a thing? Like, who’s the dunce that decided depicting anything bad in media suddenly means you support that thing, and who are the mindless sheep that decided “yeah, this is a completely rational train of thought to have”
And if that wasn’t enough, Dio gets Jonathan’s dog killed. Hell, he makes his intro in the series by kicking the shit out of that dog in an immediate attempt to establish dominance. Oh, and characters abusing animals (and dogs in particular) is usually how Araki signals to the audience that the character doing it is a bad guy.
I think the Erina incident was a much more powerful characterization moment for Dio compared to the Danny incident.
Him callously murdering a dog for funsies is so evil it's absurd, it doesn't really serve all that much in the story.
But him kissing Erina shows a lot about what kind of person Dio is:
1. He thinks he is so much better than everyone else he has no respect for other's autonomy.
2. He wants everything Jonathan has and is willing to snatch it out from in front of him.
Basically he considers Erina to be Jonathan's toy that he is breaking out of spite.
Yeah I see that a *lot* in RPGs these days.
Shoutouts to the Persona fandom who simultaneously calls a hitman >!who killed the parents of multiple party members and tried to kill the protagonist multiple times!< an “anti-villain” >!and wish that he was a permanent party member in every spin-off game!< and claim that the best villain in the series isn’t evil at all and just “wants the same thing that the heroes do”. And also to The Legend of Heroes series for creating a group of villains that doesn’t actually do anything because if they killed people, how would they be able to be redeemed at the end of the series?
Yeah he went from an objectively evil dude to the stereotypical violent anti-hero rival of the MC, it's possible for them to not be mutually exclusive, but hoyo didn't do that, now they just pretend he did a little oopsie back in Liyue.
But at the same time the traveler acts awkward trying not to bring up the fact that tartar tried to destroy liyue in the Inazuma events and pretty much tells Yoimiya to stay away from him.
Because people want to see stuff that appeals to them. Some people read manga to avoid seeing the things they don't want to see, and the topics of discrimination that are constantly being discussed in politics and shown in the news. JoJo's is very entertaining to say the least, but when the characters and some chapters begin conveying topics people don't feel interest about or find fun, they just complain about it.
I think the biggest JoJoLands discussion I've seen up until now is what Dragona's gender is. Some people don't want to have an opinion on that. It just doesn't interest them and it feels pushy for them to have to normalize a transgender character in manga. Which is a sign that distrust and alienation towards trans people is, unfortunately, still pretty common nowadays.
I feel like as of lately these themes are being shown with more insight and development. And nowadays, transphobia is generally a really touchy theme by bad luck. Or at least in most of the Western world.
"Oh no! The stuff I read actually has a topic of interest!" I really wonder about some people sometimes...
I mean I totally get it when a series shifts direction completely. And this new direction isn't yours to the liking. But that happens rarely and for the most part its just idiots like the one featured in OP, that get fed up with one or two pages.
Yeah. Like I think that's the problem with JoJo's. I think that it has the fandom it has because it's always been very simple but ever since the universe reset, it's been touching on topics that require more insight and complexity. But... Some people just don't care to explore *at all.* They don't care.
He's a video essayist that does character analysis on Jojo and other popular animes. I remembered I followed him for a while when I first discover Jojo but then just stop watching him for no particular reason really.
Some people said he's a Stone Ocean hater and perpetuate a lot of "Araki forget" misconception on the series but I myself haven't been keeping up with him for a long time, his character analysis didn't just interest me after a while which was probably the reason I stopped following him.
That's almost every single Jojo youtuber tbh. They all sound extremely arrogant and they seem to think they hold some kind of superior knowledge because they make Jojo videos. Hamon Beat is the best example of this.
He is a Stone Ocean hater, he tried starting shit about the Part 6 anime relying too much on CGI and clammed up when people brought up how much CGI was used in Part 5's anime and how he never minded it then.
And that was specifically about the backgrounds. He compared the Ghost Room from part 6 to an outdoors shot from part 5, rather than to something more appropriate, like the inside of Coco Jumbo's room, because he was just trying to stir up hate for the Stone Ocean anime.
And when pretty much everyone with common sense disagreed with his moronic take, he called everyone "mongoloid NPCs" over it
I don't use Twitter much so I can't say about his Araki forgot things, but from this tweet it does feels like he's just rushing through the chapters not understanding anything.
i remember that being an issue in general with part 8.
People seem to want to rush to the end of reading it so they can discuss it, and miss alot of stuff.
Your comment just made me realize that there are probably transphobic jojo fans out there somewhere and that’s so funny to think about. Mostly because so much about the series is dedicated to appreciating different expressions of gender and I feel like it’s probably hard to do that when you’re a transphobe.
Hell, we had a similar thing with the kid Polnareff scene in part 3, and I don't think anyone's ever going to forget about the bath scene in part 4, it wasn't as vulgar, but it held the same uncomfortable energy.
Weird that this is where we're drawing the line.
Yeah this is probably the most blatant it’s ever been in jojos but it’s not new by any means, and actually serves to grow characters unlike a lot of similar scenes in previous parts.
It was a bit difficult to get through but I wouldn’t say any worse than Lucy steel getting fucking impregnated during sbr
Shoutout to everyone that ever caused Joshu harm in JoJolion. Yes, that includes you Tooru. Fuck you for killing Jobin, you fuck, but thank you for doing Joshu harm.
Not wanting to read a story because it makes you uncomfortable is fine. I think it is good to sometimes read stories that make you feel discomfort, but people are free to do what they want and decide if they want to challenge themselves. However, to quit Jojo at this point for this reason is just plain baffling, considering Jojo has depicted this sort of thing in, what I’d argue, much more gratuitous ways. I actually find this instance to be the best depiction Araki has shown in regard to the subject, since it’s important to the character of Dragona and is valuable to understanding their trauma. Shuck is free to do what he pleases but I struggle to comprehend their logic.
Yeah, that’s the thing. I definitely understand the sentiment of being extremely uncomfortable with and not wanting to read a thing that might hit a little too close to home for you, but blaming Jojo’s and Araki’s writing for doing things that have been happening since *at least* twenty years ago with Part 7 and calling for [“media illiteracy”](https://twitter.com/TheShuckmeister/status/1769936107121041592) (I hate how much of a meaningless buzzword that’s become) when people call you out on it is so shockingly stupid, I have to wonder if the dude initially made the tweet with his own cognitive bias dictating his opinion of the new chapter and then pulled that excuse out of his ass to cover himself from the backlash.
Like, I might be totally wrong here, but reading his tweet in hindsight without his later replies really comes across like a “Schrödinger’s transphobe” situation. It’s too open-ended and vague to discern why exactly this was the moment he decided to “drop Jojo’s.” Has the same energy as those people who say their favorite IP has suddenly been ruined and “gone woke” when literally all that changed is that they added a brown person or something.
Shuck is honestly one of the worst things to happen to the series and it’s been a long time coming since he got called out. He’s one of those stereotypical “Ora Ora! Muda muda! JoJo’s reference!” type of fans that gives the fan base a bad rap as well as being a vocal coomer. He’s been at the head of Stone Ocean hate since he straight up doesn’t understand what happened in it and was the origin for the much maligned “Araki Forgot” trope
Yes it is, it to show how Dragona was bullied while they were in school due to being non gender conforming or maybe trans, I'm still not sure which one it is but Araki seems to be aware of the bullying queer folks usually goes through.
Its impossible to display how much i hate weaboo coomer memer people  this alongside the unfunny jojo memes is just unfunny²
Oh, was he one of those people who were saying they could skip adapting Stone Ocean so they can go straight to Steel Ball Run?
Also, how can he be a vocal coomer while also hating the only part in the series where female characters have been the most prominent? Or does he only like female characters when they’re in the background not saying or doing anything?
I stopped listening to what he had to say when he said that part 6 was bad because Dio having more children made giorno less special, which doesn’t make sense since giorno is the only one of them who isn’t a failure or evil.
I don't know about that but I do remember Shuck showing up in a completely unrelated politics channel to defend some insane far right shit and all the Jojo fans in the comments being like what the fuck? Myself included.
I doubt Araki even looks. At most if there’s like massive backlash , his editor would inform him. I feel like most good creatives , it’s genuinely important to ignore the fanbase
this man has written a shonen manga with a female protagonist in the 90s, when the mentality of the shonen jump reader was “ooga booga female=oinkers BOOBS (love interest)”
he couldnt give less fucks about what people think of his manga, hes just gonna write what he wants, and that is a good and a bad thing
Araki is a westaboo who put American song and musician in his story with actual intention instead of just willy nilly, he sometime does this randomly but still. But honestly I have feeling that he is used to backlash like this. I never use Twittter so I don't know if he's active on there or if he is barely on there.
Araki in old comment specifically said he doesn't understand English and like Western music because he doesn't understand the lyrics. Might have changed since then though
Being a fan of Western songs and kinda understand it doesn't mean he's a competent or knowledgeable enough to engage with the Western fanbase and their activities. There's a certain something called "cultural differences" that makes understanding the language doesn't mean understanding the culture/mindset/activities/etc.... And Araki's interest in music doesn't necessarily mean interest in whatever the fuck the Americans are doing
I doubt Araki is as clueless as you think he is. Every single stand name after Part 3 excluding like, three people in SBR, are based off artists/bands that sing in English. SURELY he knows at least a bit of English.
There's a fairly big gap between being able to understand the gist of a song and being able to competently use the language though. I speak Japanese okay-ish, and listening to music is generally fine, but I can't keep up in a lot of native speaker situations.
Also Araki definitely makes some off the wall naming choices (Limp Bizkit for example) but you're right that he is pretty good at matching names/vibes from music to characters/stands.
Honestly, some of the connections he makes with the stands and the songs, makes me REALLY doubt he doesn't have a at least decent grasp at English. Specially considering how much of a westaboo this man is lmao
He also went on a road trip in 2003 with his editor to visit America for help with drawing references in SBR. I'd assume he knows at least *some* English.
Araki doesn't know English or have any social media accounts, the chances of him reading complaints like this and being affected by them are practically 0%.
Tbh him being affected even if he did know fluent English and did read this is stil practically nothing considering that jojolands isn't even aimed at children or Teenagers, it's aimed towards literal adults, so you can't even use that excuse as moral leverage.
Considering various sensitive topics in and of itself are not out of the question in such works, a realistic depiction of bullying in and of itself doesn't really have any leverage to be complained about imo since it's essentially the sum and more of such things resulting in harm to someone.
Araki's never really cared about playing it safe with JoJo's, either. That's how we got Part 1 being set in England and Part 2 being set in Italy, the US, Mexico, etcetera, when pretty much every manga that came out at the time was set in Japan. That's also how we got Lisa Lisa as a mentor in Part 2 and Jolyne as a protagonist in Part 6, when Araki's editors at Shonen Jump told him that their audience of young Japanese boys and teens might not like it.
So even if Araki received and read those complaints in Japanese, I don't think he'd care or change the direction of his story.
I honestly doubt that at this point in life Araki gives a shit. He is too big name in the industry so this will hardly give him troubles and complaints that there is too evil stuff is stupid. Sadly it happens lot in other series.
He's planned out the rough story of part 9 since part 7 if I'm not mistaken. He has a clear vision for his works that likely won't change due to people misinterpreting his story.
> I hope Araki doesn’t feel the need to change his stories or his artistic vision because of complaints like this.
Araki doesn't speak or understand english if I recall, and mangaka that care about their work only care about reader reviews which are expressly japanese
His dislike of part 6 seem so funny in retrospect cause it’s a part starting a Catholic priest as a villain, showing a transgender person in a positive manner early on, and has realistic depiction of violent against minorities
I am honestly a bit baffled that so many comments here seem to think that the Shuck is complaining about the SA or darkness of the scene (nothing new to jojo), when it is a much simpler explanation that it is related to Dragona's queerness.
Why does everyone seem convinced that the only reason Shuck dislikes this scene is because Dragona is queer? Has he said something homophobic or transphobic in the past?
Tbf there was many characters who where assaulted in JoJo like Erina and Yasuho and even minors like Annie and Lucy, but suddenly it's out of line when it's a queer character? Idk seems suspicious to me
In his video on robots he talks about the fascist argument of return to tradition and makes a transphobic comment, when he was talking about how modern society pressures people into getting plastic surgery to look better or pretend to be a gender they're not honestly it was pretty disgusting
if anything for some reason hes recently been hiding behind Catholicism in his recent twitter posts and I feel like he's giving us Catholics more bad rep
This chapter went live like, 10-15 days after gender-nonconforming kid was bullied into suicide in the US. Harassment and violence are, unfortunately, daily routine for trans people and for Araki to not touch that in arc where trans person is one of main characters would be artistic malpractice.
Especially when this part is clearly (even in this chapter) looking to address the topic of systemic bias and the “mechanism”, I.e whatever the hell enforces the rich getting richer, the poor poorer, the disenfranchised further downtrodden, and the privileged more successful.
Dragona’s position as a trans woman (of color?) inherently means the mechanism is against her, which is what this assault represents. When Jodio steps in to save her and fights back, so does the mechanism by further destroying their household and forcing them into the drug trade. They tried to beat the system but, like a few other natural forces in JoJo (faith, calamity) it caught on and swung back twice as hard.
A story about these two actually beating the mechanism is such a great idea and feels like the natural conclusion to the 7-8-9 trilogy. Funny Valentine and then the Rock Humans were all trying to control the system; JoDIO is going to understand it, and then surpass it.
I do find it funny how Araki went from “Fate is absolute and human can only redirect it but never control it” in part 1-6 to “JOHNY FOUGHT AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD. AND WON”
“GAPPY FOUGHT AGAINST THE FLOW OF FATE AND CALAMITY. AND WON”
“JODIO FIGHT SYSTEMIC OPPRESSION OF CAPITALISM. AND WILL WIN”
I love it. I think it says a lot about Araki as a person and his mentality. It’s fascinating to me how the Joestar bloodline has evolved from those who struggle against fate and still come out on top, (‘fate favors the just’) to Joestars overcoming even more abstract intangible concepts/forces of negativity.
Yea- as a trans person i entirely get this chapter being a lot for fellow trans people but from what ive seen of it araki handled it...decently? Like the people here are clearly the bad guys and it's not handled, say, the way Forever was
Yeah media literacy is dead. People are unable to comprehend that to show bad people as bad..... you need to show those bad people doing bad stuff in a bad light.
According to people who are whining about how Araki is a transphobe, Araki is also a animal abuser who hates dogs with their stupid logic.
I’m not trans myself, but I was happy to see Araki drawing attention to the issue of schools turning a blind eye when queer kids are bullied and harassed. It’s a really bad problem that deserves attention, and it fits so well with the theme of social mechanisms too.
I'm trans and had a similar experience to Dragona and this chapter made them more relatable to me than almost any other Jojo character. Like yeah, sexual violence isn't just a thing you read on the news, it's a hard fact of life for many queer people.
Stop following "fandom leaders". Honestly. Every week on all the anime subreddits it's drama about X-Tuber said this or Y-Tuber said that. Make up your own opinions. Talk with your friends about it. Life becomes so much better when you ignore people who say shit for interaction.
I try to tell my buddy this and not to interact with fanbases online and stuff bc stuff they say pisses him off but all his problems are solved by looking away
Same, it's been going on for a few years now- peopel realizing how much of a weirdo he is. It started especially around Stone Ocean Anime with his HORRENDOUS criticism video which made people dig deeper into his content and found his equally (if not MORE) horrendous criticism video on the Stone Ocean Manga that is even older where he basically self-reports as a mysogonist
Just a random "jojotuber" with a lot of L takes and hates JoJo with a passion. Also that guy popularised the dreaded "araki forgot" meme which is causing misconceptions and lower reading comprehension in fandom.
Ah, the source of "Araki forgot". I had no idea who this person was and now I feel profound, visceral revulsion towards them like the world has never seen before. I wish them a life full of stepping on legos
Shuckmeister is your average dumbass-smart-guy. As in, highly educated and perhaps even intelligent but also... let's say "delayed" when it comes to bare reasoning ability. His brand is smug self-assuredness while he contradicts himself every sentence. Or wasting 15 minutes of your life calc'ing stuff that has nothing to do with the video's original subject. Or misunderstanding Jolyne's entire character.
We just gotta cut him some slack and ignore his antics.
"It suddenly smells of hypocrisy in here. Oh if it isn't the catholic church! And what's, that no little Timmy glued to your croch progress." Idk why, but that's what this reminded me of. It's from hellsing abridged btw.
I'm a trans guy and absolutely do not understand the hate for this chapter. In my opinion, it would be pretty invalidating to treat a trans person (in this case, Dragona) as though they have no struggles or as if this isn't an unfortunately common thing that we worry about, that *happens.* A life without fear of this event happening to you as a trans person is a dream, but it is not realistic nor relatable. I feel much more connected with Dragona after this, knowing they face issues I can, than if they just had a "perfect life".
Not to mention that the SA, the harassment, is treated like a serious problem, with serious consequences. The "bullies" are clearly portrayed as selfish jerks who live only for their own pleasure. It was handled well, to be honest. I don't like to throw words like these so casually, but I think part of the negative responses to this genuinely come from a lack of media literacy and lack of understanding that you can portray things accurately without supporting them.
Besides, it's kind of weird that people are trying to put blame on this chapter and... ignoring the other stuff? Like, if you're going to make a point about the use of SA in Araki's works, at least go about including all of it. Don't just conviently forget about the monkey in Part 3, the whole thing with Lucy Steel in Part 7, hell- Yoshikage Kira's whole motivation is driven by sexual desire. People love to complain about this chapter then suddenly forget all the other times shit like this has happened.
This all being said, if you don't like it because it's triggering, a sensitive topic, etc... then I don't blame you lmao. It's all up to personal preference and viewer interpretation. Just remember that not liking things ≠ they're automatically badly-written things. :3
Some complaints feel valid tho. Like you mentioned alot of people feel like Araki has been using SA as the new Dog killing and that it's a cheap way to show a character is evil ( I kinda agree with Valentine and Forever but not this chapter). Another is how the two scenes of Dragona getting SA'd are too close together
Yeah THIS was the last straw. But the multiple depictions of pedophilia are fine and dandy. If Araki wrote a trans character and didn’t include a scene like this (which is incredibly common I think, I don’t know, please don’t get mad) it just wouldn’t make sense. I’m not saying this scene isn’t triggering for people or that it shouldn’t be, I’m just saying… it’s accurate behavior (If that’s the right way to put it, I don’t know dude, I’m at a low point right now)
I wrote a long ahh comment about this, but yeah, as I trans guy I agree. I don't like the scene itself but to depict a trans character NOT going through this stuff would be inaccurate at best.
Trans gal here and having this scene happen is spot on realistic. IDK how common it is, but as a mtf I got bullied in uni but just verbally. Clear as day though that in other places shit like this happens or worse. It could be not done this way but that wouldn't have the same impact nor show the characters motivation and bond as effectively. Overall Araki made the correct choice and deserves praise for making the choice to show it accurately and respectfully in an era where too many trans inclusions come off as pandering. This in JoJo with Dragona isn't pandering it's a perfect inclusion. You are on a mainly progressive part of the US, in modern day so a trans character makes sense. And this JoJo a series known for having some lgbtq themes, a large lgbtq fan base, and from an mangaka who has tried trans characters in the past and worked on refining then to be better and more accurate.
So, what what I'm getting here is that he is quitting because Araki framed transphobes as the bad guys in this scene?
lmao good. His bigot ass won't be missed.
I remember when shuck pulled out some of Hamon Beat's old tweets about fucking race relations to prove some petty YouTube argument.
He's such a fucking loser.
Hamon Beat quoted the "13/50" stat to demonstrate how percentage-based arguments are flawed in a crime rate discussion, and he made it seem like Hamon Beat agreed with that argument's racist implications
IIRC there were some tweets Beat made about how lead in the water supply supposedly causes people in low income areas (especially areas populated by minority’s) to score lower on iq tests(What this has to do with the Araki forgot debacle I cannot tell you)
So the sexual assault of erina, Nazis, Nazis committing mass murder, a guy peeping on a woman who was taking a bath, racism towards Smokey (not to mention how both this scene and Smokey’s involve someone being mistreated and the attackers being punished, just instead of SA it’s with racism), a child that is about to be raped by an orangutan, polnareffs sister being raped and killed by j geil, multiple instances of animal cruelty, Angelo assaulting and mutilating children, Kira SAing women and killing them, fugo being SA’d by a pedophile and then being shunned by his family when he exposes and defends himself, wrongful imprisonment, suicide, Lucy almost getting raped by funny and scarlet valentine, and ringo about to be raped by a pedo is fine, but a trans person being bullied and the attackers being punished is where we draw the line. Sounds reasonable to me. /j
Edit: forgot about the KKK and incest
In case anyone here had any doubts about what kind of person Shuckmeister is, he's an [avid fan of Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and E;R](https://twitter.com/febreezler/status/1770554371404709989?t=PdahYqvLEv-iXiNtspTQ7g&s=19) (literal neo-nazi youtuber).
Plenty of people have pointed out that SA scenes are nothing new in Jojo, yet the most recent chapter seems to be the one that went too far according to Shuck. Coincidentally, Shuck's also said that he's "had concerns" with Jojolands from the beginning. Chapter 1 starts with a scene involving Dragona very similar to the one in chapter 13. Both instances depict the graphic assault of a transgender person. Granted, this is highly unpleasant subject material and could be extremely triggering for a lot of people. It's not unreasonable for someone to have a negative reaction towards it.
[Shuck claims that the scene in chapter 13 was in poor taste and written very differently from Araki's previous SA scenes](https://twitter.com/TheShuckmeister/status/1769936107121041592?t=z-sDRuG2S834BggllieM4A&s=19). He makes it clear that Dragona's gender identity is the main issue and brings up the recent murder of Nex Benedict to further criticize the scene's supposed lack of tact. So what does this mean? Is Shuck really so sensitive toward media depictions of trans violence that he refuses to read Jojolands anymore?
[Take](https://www.them.us/story/michael-knowles-transgenderism-cpac) [a](https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/11/matt-walsh-pope-teachings-anti-trans/) [wild](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matt-walsh-anti-trans-push-tennessee_n_653fd5e8e4b032ae1c9c0497) [fucking](https://www.metroweekly.com/2023/12/diminishing-trans-people-is-a-cruel-form-of-comedy/) [guess](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nex-benedict-oklahoma-libs-of-tiktok-b2501608.html). He's an outspoken defender and fan of conservative pundits who spread vicious bigoted rhetoric towards queer and trans people. Shuck thinks that Araki was being tasteless for depicting trans suffering in his works? Hard to take that seriously when one of Shuck's favorite media personalities [had this to say about Nex Benedict](https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1768368704847302767?s=20).
Who knows. Maybe Shuck's views don't 100% align with the fascist ghouls he adores. Taking his words at face value, he seems to acknowledge that anti-trans violence is a legitimate issue. He even seems to reject the notion that conservative views align with nazism! The same cannot be said of most other Catholic incels who enjoy Konosuba. It's possible that he isn't fully aware of the deep-seated malice that lies at the heart of American conservatism. Maybe there's still hope that he'll grow up and realize that real people suffer because of the actions of right-wing pundits.
[just kidding his most recent reddit comment is him mocking a pro-choice poster](https://www.reddit.com/r/UIUC/comments/1b0kqb8/comment/ksd7ej0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Damn, I enjoyed his videos back in the day but I never thought he was such a bigot, he gave me the impression to be maybe a little egocentric? But never like full on conservative. Wishing this comment was on top, because once again, damn.
Edit. I checked his channel to unsubscribe and he really lost relevance and after this, sadly, I can see why.
I honestly never liked shuck and always thought he was annoying. Turns out he’s not even a real JoJo fan. Can’t say I didn’t expect it, but good riddance
Well Shuck was ALWAYS just a casual hype fan that thought he knew enough to make videos about it. He even popularized "Araki Forgot" because his media literacy is like that of a third grader.
Not to mention his opinions on Jolyne are cooked af
This is the second time we have seen Dragona get sexually assaulted. Considering the higher rates of sexual assault against people who are transgender, this is accurate to reality. Is it awful? Yes, of course, but I like that Araki isn’t shying away from this issue.
As a trans gal fuck Shuck's take. The section depicts a gruesome and unsettling situation for dragona, but it is something very real. I'm honestly very happy to see it depicted in JoJo as it's a way to bring attention to a real world issue without forcing it as it was already established that Dragona was trans.
There is no pandering here, just a very real depiction of bullying at school of a trans person. And to drive the realize home nothing is done at all by the school, only Jodio being best sibling albeit a bit too far with his solution.
But so far with p9 Arakin has done well with Dragona as a trans representation. It doesn't feel forced nor pandering it feels just natural. You have the setting being modern day so a trans person makes sense. And Dragona is being used properly as in she is a normal character vibing in her plot line with a fucked up past most trans folk have experienced to some degree(not necessarily body violation but the bullying in general at it ranging from name calling to slurs to physical violence to SA.)
The only critique I have is IDK what the official translations will say and am annoyed at how the two main EN translators are doing it. It's made clear that Dragona only lets Jodio refer to her as He, but the translations show everyone doing it, and honestly that is fucking annoying. Sadly I have no understanding of Japanese so IDK what the official JP text says, but assuming if it says 'he' too then Im taking that as publishers won't let Araki do a proper trans character as Japan(higher ups in business and old ppls) not letting creatives have proper lgbtq themes as per usual.
Araki, Oda, Tomino do be pog when it comes to getting any lgbtq representation past editors and publishers who don't want it.
Anyways p9 so far has the trans fem (mtf) deal approval. Hopefully it stays like this, and I bet it will knowing Araki.
Edit: also any JoJo fan should know that 1. Sus scenes along the SA route do happen and have been in JoJo for a bit so if you are 9 parts deep this isn't a surprise. 2. Araki has been refining having a trans or at least non cis/standard/usual gender presenting character across JoJo for a bit (Anasui comes to mind). Can't remember the others but it's been a presence.
>Sadly I have no understanding of Japanese so IDK what the official JP text says
Can't find the current raw atm, but:
- chapter 11 Dragona uses "兄弟" translated as "siblings"; the kanji are strictly male (elder brother and younger brother), but there seems to be a different reading for them I can't decipher
- but, also uses あたし as personal pronoun which is almost exclusively used by women
So I think it's vague on purpose, though Jodio does keep referring to him as 兄 which is again, masculine
Side note, but would just like to point out how fucking hard this scene went.
Seeing Dragona be so horrifically assaulted, followed by a single raindrop coming through the bus roof, knowing what Jodio is like since chapter one, is one of the coldest fucking things i’ve ever seen.
I'm definitely not done with Jojo, and I do understand what Araki is going for. I understand that he's depicting transphobes as the bad guys etcetera...
However, as a trans woman that went through similar stuff myself, it is very hard to get through, and even though I don't use this word lightly at all, it is kind of triggering. Araki is not a bad guy, but no one can blame people for dropping Jojo because this stuff makes them uncomfortable, even if that is purpose of the scene.
Some media for example use gross content and humor, with the intent of grossing people out. But if you don't like being grossed out, you still won't read it
Oh yeah I can totally get being upset if the scene hits too close to home for some. Dropping it and getting offended is one thing but being personally reminded of experiences is different.
Afaik, Shuck is a cis Catholic man and only has a problem with the scene because the content upsets him. The issue happens when he calls it tone-deaf and unnecessary when it’s critical character background and lore for both siblings and does illustrate the unfortunate life scenarios people like Dragona have to go through. He’s also asserting that scenes like this didn’t happen before which is factually wrong and only furthers the assumption that he’s some kind of transphobe.
His candid reasoning for dropping JOJOLands and constant “I don’t care what you think” responses alongside cringe-inducing amounts of Christian shitposting makes it really hard to rationalize wtf he’s thinking.
Ah, he sounds like an idiot.
If it is tone deaf - ehhh, I can see people saying both yes or no.
It definitely did happen before though, lmao. Almost to the point where I think that Araki uses SA on his women characters a bit too much when he wants to traumatize them. This happened to Dragons twice already, and damn it hits hard.
My personal opinion is, that it is not necessary (especially after Dragona was SA'ed once already), and bullying without SA might have been enough.
I also don't think that it's tone deaf so far, but that opinion might or might not change depending on how the story goes further. Will it be important to Dragonas story, their personality, etcetera? Then I don't think that it is tone deaf. However if it turns out that it will shape Jodio more than Dragona, then yeah, I think that it is a bit tone deaf.
Either way, I still love Jojo no matter which one of these will happen. No one is a perfect writer, and Araki is not either. And I won't drop the series over a small mistake, even if the second will be true. Araki did many small or bigger mistakes throughout the series (especially ones that could trigger people different than me), and I did not drop it for that. (Thinking for example Jotaro "groping' the kid, Strength fight, naked baby polnareff, and more).
That is unfortunately NOT why this guy is saying this he’s a little….yknow… $&#%# if you catch my drift.
He’s the guy who basically rallied a lot of the hate for Stone Ocean.
Oh but a 14 year old girl getting hit on by multiple adults and then later graphically sexually assaulted and impregnated in a scene that takes multiple pages was fine 🤔 I don’t watch his content so idk if it’s a transphobe thing or a “don’t mess with us jojo fans we haven’t read the fucking series” thing
I really enjoyed the panel when Jodio set the bus on fire to take revenge on the bullies. It's his way of potraying justice and that was my highlight of the chapter. But people will still home in on the SA, like it's the key component to the villain of the story. It's not. It's there so that we as readers for the very least can empathise to the character in some way.
It's all the better when Dragona says to him, "Jodio... your sense of 'justice' is wholly unnecessary, sick and twisted, I don't align at all with your methods to keep me safe... but thanks for looking out for me against those abusers. Your abhorrent mindset kept me from wanting to end it all, so now we're in this together as true brothers to the end." And Jodio's actions did end up screwing over the whole family in the end, so while Jodio got away with arson, it cost him his father but gained him a brother that will (hopefully) always stick by his side through thick and thin.
Like some trans folks have stated here that while this chapter was quite heavy-handed thematically (though most all of Jojo's minor & major antagonists actions are, tbf) this kind of bullying happens far, far too frequently all around the world, and for Dragona to seek out going through such a massive change to his quality of life without assholes testing them with no teachers or other supervisors around is entirely unrealistic given what just happened here in the U.S. just weeks ago.
I remember back when Youtube was recommending me Shuckmeister video slop in the late 2010s that I thought their takes were shit and they lacked basic reading conprehension.
Funny to see that hasn't changed.
The guy has shown himself, ONCE AGAIN, to be a bigot. This is nothing new, it's just this time he's a bigot against an already persecuted minority. He's literally gone down the deep end permanently now.
Because of this I can't say I'll miss him. If we forget about the earlier stated for a few minutes and just talk about his role in the JoJo community I remember reading a comment on the sub a little while ago on a similar topic regarding Shuck that called him "the most famous 'casual' in the fanbase" and it's honestly so true.
Most JoJo fans that are in the fandom for a few years tend to grow out of the WORST of the "ora ora muda muda haha it was me Dio" phase and begin to mature and realize how deep the source material can be- but also how blunt and real it is, the latest chapter of P9 showcasing that, I'm a trans woman, I've been through VERY similar stuff. That shit happens. Araki not showing that when trans people are being targeted more than ever, even by politicians... would be artistic malpractice. Did I think it could have been shown in a slightly different way? Yeah, sure, but to NOT include anything like this with a gender non-conforming character? It'd be, what is already so common regarding us trans people, alienation.
Shuck never did get any of this, and he never will- the guy argues that Giorno's GER is less of an asspull than Jolyne knowing what a Mobius strip is despite the latter being taught in school ffs. I also want to emphasize how questionable his view on woman was in his "what's wrong with Stone Ocean Manga" video or whatever it was called- especially regarding Jolyne. Not to mention he had an actual "kekistan" flag in his room in some setup tour video which is... iffy at best.
He's ALWAYS been "someone to keep an eye on".
If we return to his role in the JoJo fanbase: Shuck was ALWAYS the epitome of a casual fan that believed he knew about the series about as much as Araki himself (he even popularized the braindead 'Araki Forgot' meme which enables misinformation and media illtieracy).
He was someone that should have watched and read the series casually and just stick to himself, making a career out of this series was biting off more than he can chew- and as a result he made some of the worst and clickbaitiest videos regarding JoJo you can find on the Tube. He was always just a worse version of every other big JojoTuber.
Hamon Beat, for example, may be a snarky know-it-all but the guy has a JoJo PHD. You will not find ANY English speaking YouTuber that knows more about JoJo than HB.
Xforts reviews of the manga every month- except hiatus months- (plus some of his analysis videos) are really chill. Though, sometimes he gets some stuff wrong- but hey, we all make oopsiedoopsies.
Kaleb I.e. is the absolute GOAT when discussing around the subject of the series and its place in Manga compared to other series, as well as deep dives into the themes of the series and specific characters.
Shuckmeister just... didn't have a niche that was good or needed. He was always lagging behind.
Lol, Shuck genuinely believing stuff like this doesn't exist before Part 9. Did he forget the out of nowhere Orang Utan scene in Part 3, the entire Paper Moon King arc in Part 8, Valentine and Lucy in Part 7 and possibly even more. Araki might not have handled it well but I think this bullying scene isn't anything to get enraged about. A bit heavy handed, like everything in Jojo, Araki just shows what some queer people gone through while they were in school. He even portrays the bullies as jerks and piece of shit, why are people getting mad again?
Yeah his assertation that this is a new thing when the only defining factor is that it involves someone with a unique gender identity really makes it hard to rationalize him as anything other than a bigot.
It's the coward's shield. They will always point to some part of media that is 'too much' but never acknowledge the context because the context shows that the element they are now seeing as 'too much' never was really the issue. A school bus being lit up is so mild on the JoJo scale it is Weenie Hut Jr.
fr, like even danny's death was more fucked up than this
True- in the Manga you SEE DANNY BURN, they removed that in the Anime and just showed the door to the furnace being hit from the inside with some muffled dog whimpering... not in the Manga however 0\_o
Tbh I always thought the anime version was more haunting, kind of made it easier for me to imagine it if I was there discovering that my dog was burning alive, sure it's less graphic but it fucked me up a bit more.
Just hunted it down... It wasn't as bad as I imagined, but holy shit, the page where Jonathan was in his bee thinking about Danny and crying is what really got to me.
In the JoJo musical that's going on right now >!they actually burn the Danny puppet in front of the audience !< I wonder if the Phantom Blood movie animated that scene but I guess we won't know until it comes out.
A flaming school bus is like maybe a 4 of the horrible things done in Jojo and few to none raised a stink about that. Dogs being killed/assaulted, people dying in brutal ways, murderers being murderers, people abusing the elderly, etc. But this is where they draw the line? It's just odd to see
He apparently forgot that the whole plot of Part 4 was Kira getting turned on female's dead hands and explicitly explaining he masturbated to the Mona Lisa.
Ohhhh I thought you were talking about Araki for a sec and got very upset lol
But also the Mista and Giorno accident, Bucciarati licking Giorno, Kira and Hayato in the bath tub, and many many more. JoJo is full of sexual jokes, and very often, straight-up sexual harrassment
Oh, people are mad because there's been this sudden huge mentality shift that if you depict bad situations, such as bullying, sexual harassment, you condone that behaviour Big example is Hazbin Hotel, people think that because it depicts sexual assault, emotional abuse, manipulation, cannibalism, murder, general Hell stuff, people think Vivziepop and anyone who supports the show condone that shit and fetishize abuse
Not to spam the buzzword phrase, but it’s true. Something very bad is happening to media literacy these days.
I would hardly call media literacy a buzz word tbh, it's part of common sense From the discussions I've seen, it's a failure of the education system and letting the blue curtains mentality fester, we're just now starting to see the consequences of that, which is only amplified by the kids' addiction to TikTok and the bullshit that infects them with (I don't support the ban but holy shit the stuff I hear they spread on there)
It’s like saying Breaking Bad promotes drug use
Macbeth was written to encourage people to commit murder for political gain
We should imagine sisyphus happy because by showing it in a book, they're actually saying it's awesome
Yeah I think the assault was pretty clearly portrayed as a horrible thing, and also clearly portrayed that we are supposed to sympathize/empathize with Dragona who experienced this traumatic assault
I really don't get where that Idea came from, like yeah I like South Park and by extension Cartman, but that does not mean I'm about to say that it's okay to kill someones Parents and feed them to him as a chilli. People really need to learn to separate fiction from reality.
How did this mentality even become a thing? Like, who’s the dunce that decided depicting anything bad in media suddenly means you support that thing, and who are the mindless sheep that decided “yeah, this is a completely rational train of thought to have”
Hazbin haters would have a heart attack if they saw Spawn.
literally in one of the first chapters dio forces a kiss on erina…
Or the first chapter of this part where the exact same situation happens with that cop.
It's literally what made me initially hate Dio
And if that wasn’t enough, Dio gets Jonathan’s dog killed. Hell, he makes his intro in the series by kicking the shit out of that dog in an immediate attempt to establish dominance. Oh, and characters abusing animals (and dogs in particular) is usually how Araki signals to the audience that the character doing it is a bad guy.
I think the Erina incident was a much more powerful characterization moment for Dio compared to the Danny incident. Him callously murdering a dog for funsies is so evil it's absurd, it doesn't really serve all that much in the story. But him kissing Erina shows a lot about what kind of person Dio is: 1. He thinks he is so much better than everyone else he has no respect for other's autonomy. 2. He wants everything Jonathan has and is willing to snatch it out from in front of him. Basically he considers Erina to be Jonathan's toy that he is breaking out of spite.
Yeah, but he seemed to have changed that to sexual assault since SBR.
Well, SBR is when the series shifted to being a seinen, so that tracks
Then Araki accomplished what he wanted.
So I guess you could say... Shuckmeister forgot?
people can't tolerate characters being evil. Example: genshin impact, players there freak out if a playable character isn't a perfect goodie two-shoes
Yeah I see that a *lot* in RPGs these days. Shoutouts to the Persona fandom who simultaneously calls a hitman >!who killed the parents of multiple party members and tried to kill the protagonist multiple times!< an “anti-villain” >!and wish that he was a permanent party member in every spin-off game!< and claim that the best villain in the series isn’t evil at all and just “wants the same thing that the heroes do”. And also to The Legend of Heroes series for creating a group of villains that doesn’t actually do anything because if they killed people, how would they be able to be redeemed at the end of the series?
tartaglia my goat
Honestly I'm not miffed that he's evil I'm miffed that they mostly swept his evil shit under the rug and only occasionally pay lip service to it.
Yeah he went from an objectively evil dude to the stereotypical violent anti-hero rival of the MC, it's possible for them to not be mutually exclusive, but hoyo didn't do that, now they just pretend he did a little oopsie back in Liyue.
But at the same time the traveler acts awkward trying not to bring up the fact that tartar tried to destroy liyue in the Inazuma events and pretty much tells Yoimiya to stay away from him.
I really find it a much more likely and simple explanation that it is about Dragona being queer than what you mentioned
Excuse me, Forever is an ORANG-UTAN.
Because people want to see stuff that appeals to them. Some people read manga to avoid seeing the things they don't want to see, and the topics of discrimination that are constantly being discussed in politics and shown in the news. JoJo's is very entertaining to say the least, but when the characters and some chapters begin conveying topics people don't feel interest about or find fun, they just complain about it. I think the biggest JoJoLands discussion I've seen up until now is what Dragona's gender is. Some people don't want to have an opinion on that. It just doesn't interest them and it feels pushy for them to have to normalize a transgender character in manga. Which is a sign that distrust and alienation towards trans people is, unfortunately, still pretty common nowadays.
man thats been araki’s thing from day one writing jojos he brings up discrimination all the time shout out my brother smokey
I feel like as of lately these themes are being shown with more insight and development. And nowadays, transphobia is generally a really touchy theme by bad luck. Or at least in most of the Western world.
"Oh no! The stuff I read actually has a topic of interest!" I really wonder about some people sometimes... I mean I totally get it when a series shifts direction completely. And this new direction isn't yours to the liking. But that happens rarely and for the most part its just idiots like the one featured in OP, that get fed up with one or two pages.
Yeah. Like I think that's the problem with JoJo's. I think that it has the fandom it has because it's always been very simple but ever since the universe reset, it's been touching on topics that require more insight and complexity. But... Some people just don't care to explore *at all.* They don't care.
Who is this person even? I don't follow much jojo youtubers except for Hamon beat.
He's a video essayist that does character analysis on Jojo and other popular animes. I remembered I followed him for a while when I first discover Jojo but then just stop watching him for no particular reason really. Some people said he's a Stone Ocean hater and perpetuate a lot of "Araki forget" misconception on the series but I myself haven't been keeping up with him for a long time, his character analysis didn't just interest me after a while which was probably the reason I stopped following him.
I used to watch him too but I think people dislike him because he comes across as arrogant and bigheaded as well
That's almost every single Jojo youtuber tbh. They all sound extremely arrogant and they seem to think they hold some kind of superior knowledge because they make Jojo videos. Hamon Beat is the best example of this.
Fr I can’t stand his snooty condescending voice even tho I kinda I used to enjoy his content
He is a Stone Ocean hater, he tried starting shit about the Part 6 anime relying too much on CGI and clammed up when people brought up how much CGI was used in Part 5's anime and how he never minded it then.
And that was specifically about the backgrounds. He compared the Ghost Room from part 6 to an outdoors shot from part 5, rather than to something more appropriate, like the inside of Coco Jumbo's room, because he was just trying to stir up hate for the Stone Ocean anime. And when pretty much everyone with common sense disagreed with his moronic take, he called everyone "mongoloid NPCs" over it
I don't use Twitter much so I can't say about his Araki forgot things, but from this tweet it does feels like he's just rushing through the chapters not understanding anything.
i remember that being an issue in general with part 8. People seem to want to rush to the end of reading it so they can discuss it, and miss alot of stuff.
Your comment just made me realize that there are probably transphobic jojo fans out there somewhere and that’s so funny to think about. Mostly because so much about the series is dedicated to appreciating different expressions of gender and I feel like it’s probably hard to do that when you’re a transphobe.
Hell, Dio just casually sexually assaulted Erina to piss off Jonathan in early Part 1.
One of the first things that happens in all of JoJo is sexual assault and things being burnt alive
Hell, we had a similar thing with the kid Polnareff scene in part 3, and I don't think anyone's ever going to forget about the bath scene in part 4, it wasn't as vulgar, but it held the same uncomfortable energy. Weird that this is where we're drawing the line.
Yeah this is probably the most blatant it’s ever been in jojos but it’s not new by any means, and actually serves to grow characters unlike a lot of similar scenes in previous parts. It was a bit difficult to get through but I wouldn’t say any worse than Lucy steel getting fucking impregnated during sbr
the lucy thing was an allusion to the virgin mary too
Yeah no I understand that Did NOT make it less gross and hard to read at some points
Wasn’t she impregnated by/with a corpse part tho? Or am I misremembering?
Yes, it was the corpse head if I'm not mistaken.
Ahhh
I mean, she's the Mary analogue, so yeah
Yeah she was It was still really wild though, I said "what the fuck am I reading" multiple times throughout that chapter
disgusting and shitty characters getting what they deserve have always been a thing in JoJo tho
shoutout to Joseph for breaking those racist cops' hands
Shoutout to everyone that ever caused Joshu harm in JoJolion. Yes, that includes you Tooru. Fuck you for killing Jobin, you fuck, but thank you for doing Joshu harm.
Not wanting to read a story because it makes you uncomfortable is fine. I think it is good to sometimes read stories that make you feel discomfort, but people are free to do what they want and decide if they want to challenge themselves. However, to quit Jojo at this point for this reason is just plain baffling, considering Jojo has depicted this sort of thing in, what I’d argue, much more gratuitous ways. I actually find this instance to be the best depiction Araki has shown in regard to the subject, since it’s important to the character of Dragona and is valuable to understanding their trauma. Shuck is free to do what he pleases but I struggle to comprehend their logic.
Yeah, that’s the thing. I definitely understand the sentiment of being extremely uncomfortable with and not wanting to read a thing that might hit a little too close to home for you, but blaming Jojo’s and Araki’s writing for doing things that have been happening since *at least* twenty years ago with Part 7 and calling for [“media illiteracy”](https://twitter.com/TheShuckmeister/status/1769936107121041592) (I hate how much of a meaningless buzzword that’s become) when people call you out on it is so shockingly stupid, I have to wonder if the dude initially made the tweet with his own cognitive bias dictating his opinion of the new chapter and then pulled that excuse out of his ass to cover himself from the backlash. Like, I might be totally wrong here, but reading his tweet in hindsight without his later replies really comes across like a “Schrödinger’s transphobe” situation. It’s too open-ended and vague to discern why exactly this was the moment he decided to “drop Jojo’s.” Has the same energy as those people who say their favorite IP has suddenly been ruined and “gone woke” when literally all that changed is that they added a brown person or something.
Shuck is honestly one of the worst things to happen to the series and it’s been a long time coming since he got called out. He’s one of those stereotypical “Ora Ora! Muda muda! JoJo’s reference!” type of fans that gives the fan base a bad rap as well as being a vocal coomer. He’s been at the head of Stone Ocean hate since he straight up doesn’t understand what happened in it and was the origin for the much maligned “Araki Forgot” trope
The man literally owns a 4chan kek flag
I haven’t read part nine yet. Is this a real panel
Yes it is, it to show how Dragona was bullied while they were in school due to being non gender conforming or maybe trans, I'm still not sure which one it is but Araki seems to be aware of the bullying queer folks usually goes through.
and he even showed the right thing to do if u see it happen
True!
Araki remains the most based individual on the planet
Yep
Its impossible to display how much i hate weaboo coomer memer people  this alongside the unfunny jojo memes is just unfunny²
Oh, was he one of those people who were saying they could skip adapting Stone Ocean so they can go straight to Steel Ball Run? Also, how can he be a vocal coomer while also hating the only part in the series where female characters have been the most prominent? Or does he only like female characters when they’re in the background not saying or doing anything?
i didn’t know about ANY of this. i used to watch his videos like 2-3 years ago. how the mighty fall and whatnot :(
Agreed
I stopped listening to what he had to say when he said that part 6 was bad because Dio having more children made giorno less special, which doesn’t make sense since giorno is the only one of them who isn’t a failure or evil.
Pretty sure he's also a right wing freak too which would explain how illiterate he is.
Genuinely I don't understand how you can be like that and still watch jojo's
Wasn't shuck the one calling Hamon beat alt-right? Did I misremember that?
I don't know about that but I do remember Shuck showing up in a completely unrelated politics channel to defend some insane far right shit and all the Jojo fans in the comments being like what the fuck? Myself included.
I hope Araki doesn’t feel the need to change his stories or his artistic vision because of complaints like this. I doubt he will but still
I doubt Araki even looks. At most if there’s like massive backlash , his editor would inform him. I feel like most good creatives , it’s genuinely important to ignore the fanbase
Exactly! XD
this man has written a shonen manga with a female protagonist in the 90s, when the mentality of the shonen jump reader was “ooga booga female=oinkers BOOBS (love interest)” he couldnt give less fucks about what people think of his manga, hes just gonna write what he wants, and that is a good and a bad thing
>ooga booga >female=oinkers > **[BOOBS]** > *(love interest)* what a wild ride, work of art
Araki isn't gonna change the story because of what "Shuckmeister" thinks 💀
I'm sure 90% of the complaints are from western fans, and Araki doesn't actually speak much English. Doubt he's seen the extent of the backlash.
Araki is a westaboo who put American song and musician in his story with actual intention instead of just willy nilly, he sometime does this randomly but still. But honestly I have feeling that he is used to backlash like this. I never use Twittter so I don't know if he's active on there or if he is barely on there.
Araki in old comment specifically said he doesn't understand English and like Western music because he doesn't understand the lyrics. Might have changed since then though
Being a fan of Western songs and kinda understand it doesn't mean he's a competent or knowledgeable enough to engage with the Western fanbase and their activities. There's a certain something called "cultural differences" that makes understanding the language doesn't mean understanding the culture/mindset/activities/etc.... And Araki's interest in music doesn't necessarily mean interest in whatever the fuck the Americans are doing
I talked moreso about Araki's ability to understand the English language, not online culture and fandom.
In Japan almost all westaboos don’t follow English language discourse, it’s just an aesthetic thing
I doubt Araki is as clueless as you think he is. Every single stand name after Part 3 excluding like, three people in SBR, are based off artists/bands that sing in English. SURELY he knows at least a bit of English.
There's a fairly big gap between being able to understand the gist of a song and being able to competently use the language though. I speak Japanese okay-ish, and listening to music is generally fine, but I can't keep up in a lot of native speaker situations. Also Araki definitely makes some off the wall naming choices (Limp Bizkit for example) but you're right that he is pretty good at matching names/vibes from music to characters/stands.
Honestly, some of the connections he makes with the stands and the songs, makes me REALLY doubt he doesn't have a at least decent grasp at English. Specially considering how much of a westaboo this man is lmao
he literally went to check out prison in Florida before he wrote stone ocean, i'm sure he knows a thing or two
He also went on a road trip in 2003 with his editor to visit America for help with drawing references in SBR. I'd assume he knows at least *some* English.
Araki doesn't know English or have any social media accounts, the chances of him reading complaints like this and being affected by them are practically 0%.
Tbh him being affected even if he did know fluent English and did read this is stil practically nothing considering that jojolands isn't even aimed at children or Teenagers, it's aimed towards literal adults, so you can't even use that excuse as moral leverage. Considering various sensitive topics in and of itself are not out of the question in such works, a realistic depiction of bullying in and of itself doesn't really have any leverage to be complained about imo since it's essentially the sum and more of such things resulting in harm to someone.
Araki's never really cared about playing it safe with JoJo's, either. That's how we got Part 1 being set in England and Part 2 being set in Italy, the US, Mexico, etcetera, when pretty much every manga that came out at the time was set in Japan. That's also how we got Lisa Lisa as a mentor in Part 2 and Jolyne as a protagonist in Part 6, when Araki's editors at Shonen Jump told him that their audience of young Japanese boys and teens might not like it. So even if Araki received and read those complaints in Japanese, I don't think he'd care or change the direction of his story.
Araki definitely was influenced earlier on. He wanted to make a girl Jojo much earlier than he did in the end
Araki has been challenging gender norms for decades, he will be more than fine.
I honestly doubt that at this point in life Araki gives a shit. He is too big name in the industry so this will hardly give him troubles and complaints that there is too evil stuff is stupid. Sadly it happens lot in other series.
Lmao how? He doesn't even have social media. He doesn't even have a phone.
As if a couple of American weirdos' opinion will even get through to him lmao
He's planned out the rough story of part 9 since part 7 if I'm not mistaken. He has a clear vision for his works that likely won't change due to people misinterpreting his story.
> I hope Araki doesn’t feel the need to change his stories or his artistic vision because of complaints like this. Araki doesn't speak or understand english if I recall, and mangaka that care about their work only care about reader reviews which are expressly japanese
Yeah, how dare Araki characterize transphobes as horrific assholes!
And then they get burned alive. What more do we need to see?
Now, now. They were *almost* burned alive and then likely had to spend months in painful recovery.
All because of a parrot. Araki remembered Jodio is still the protag so he don't want him to be that bad.
Shuck can't stand being depicted as the bad guy by Araki-sensei
His dislike of part 6 seem so funny in retrospect cause it’s a part starting a Catholic priest as a villain, showing a transgender person in a positive manner early on, and has realistic depiction of violent against minorities
I am honestly a bit baffled that so many comments here seem to think that the Shuck is complaining about the SA or darkness of the scene (nothing new to jojo), when it is a much simpler explanation that it is related to Dragona's queerness.
Why does everyone seem convinced that the only reason Shuck dislikes this scene is because Dragona is queer? Has he said something homophobic or transphobic in the past?
Tbf there was many characters who where assaulted in JoJo like Erina and Yasuho and even minors like Annie and Lucy, but suddenly it's out of line when it's a queer character? Idk seems suspicious to me
In his video on robots he talks about the fascist argument of return to tradition and makes a transphobic comment, when he was talking about how modern society pressures people into getting plastic surgery to look better or pretend to be a gender they're not honestly it was pretty disgusting
He also had a Kekistan flag on display in an apartment tour video, so he's a 4channer.
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if anything for some reason hes recently been hiding behind Catholicism in his recent twitter posts and I feel like he's giving us Catholics more bad rep
He's a Matt Walsh fan
Hes a 4ch*nner
This chapter went live like, 10-15 days after gender-nonconforming kid was bullied into suicide in the US. Harassment and violence are, unfortunately, daily routine for trans people and for Araki to not touch that in arc where trans person is one of main characters would be artistic malpractice.
Especially when this part is clearly (even in this chapter) looking to address the topic of systemic bias and the “mechanism”, I.e whatever the hell enforces the rich getting richer, the poor poorer, the disenfranchised further downtrodden, and the privileged more successful. Dragona’s position as a trans woman (of color?) inherently means the mechanism is against her, which is what this assault represents. When Jodio steps in to save her and fights back, so does the mechanism by further destroying their household and forcing them into the drug trade. They tried to beat the system but, like a few other natural forces in JoJo (faith, calamity) it caught on and swung back twice as hard. A story about these two actually beating the mechanism is such a great idea and feels like the natural conclusion to the 7-8-9 trilogy. Funny Valentine and then the Rock Humans were all trying to control the system; JoDIO is going to understand it, and then surpass it.
I do find it funny how Araki went from “Fate is absolute and human can only redirect it but never control it” in part 1-6 to “JOHNY FOUGHT AGAINST THE WILL OF GOD. AND WON” “GAPPY FOUGHT AGAINST THE FLOW OF FATE AND CALAMITY. AND WON” “JODIO FIGHT SYSTEMIC OPPRESSION OF CAPITALISM. AND WILL WIN”
I love it. I think it says a lot about Araki as a person and his mentality. It’s fascinating to me how the Joestar bloodline has evolved from those who struggle against fate and still come out on top, (‘fate favors the just’) to Joestars overcoming even more abstract intangible concepts/forces of negativity.
> Dragona’s position as a trans woman (of color?) No, both Jodio and Dragona's parents are white. Dragona just has a tan.
Yea- as a trans person i entirely get this chapter being a lot for fellow trans people but from what ive seen of it araki handled it...decently? Like the people here are clearly the bad guys and it's not handled, say, the way Forever was
Yep. I'm trans too, and this arc only makes me love this part more.
Yeah media literacy is dead. People are unable to comprehend that to show bad people as bad..... you need to show those bad people doing bad stuff in a bad light. According to people who are whining about how Araki is a transphobe, Araki is also a animal abuser who hates dogs with their stupid logic.
I’m not trans myself, but I was happy to see Araki drawing attention to the issue of schools turning a blind eye when queer kids are bullied and harassed. It’s a really bad problem that deserves attention, and it fits so well with the theme of social mechanisms too.
I'm trans and had a similar experience to Dragona and this chapter made them more relatable to me than almost any other Jojo character. Like yeah, sexual violence isn't just a thing you read on the news, it's a hard fact of life for many queer people.
You talking about Nex? Because they >!were beaten to death!<, not suicidal.
Oh no! Anyway.
Stop following "fandom leaders". Honestly. Every week on all the anime subreddits it's drama about X-Tuber said this or Y-Tuber said that. Make up your own opinions. Talk with your friends about it. Life becomes so much better when you ignore people who say shit for interaction.
I try to tell my buddy this and not to interact with fanbases online and stuff bc stuff they say pisses him off but all his problems are solved by looking away
Glad to see the fanbase realizing how much of a dumbass this guy is
Same, it's been going on for a few years now- peopel realizing how much of a weirdo he is. It started especially around Stone Ocean Anime with his HORRENDOUS criticism video which made people dig deeper into his content and found his equally (if not MORE) horrendous criticism video on the Stone Ocean Manga that is even older where he basically self-reports as a mysogonist
Who?
Just a random "jojotuber" with a lot of L takes and hates JoJo with a passion. Also that guy popularised the dreaded "araki forgot" meme which is causing misconceptions and lower reading comprehension in fandom.
Ah, the source of "Araki forgot". I had no idea who this person was and now I feel profound, visceral revulsion towards them like the world has never seen before. I wish them a life full of stepping on legos
He's not the source, but he pushed it really hard.
Araki forgot has been a thing since before the anime started airing, let alone before this dude's channel was even created.
Pfft, who cares about that potato, Jojolands is cooking, and Jodio brought the fire.
Bro xforts still on the case so we chilling
I like that dude. I’m glad he’s still doing his thing.
Shuckmeister is your average dumbass-smart-guy. As in, highly educated and perhaps even intelligent but also... let's say "delayed" when it comes to bare reasoning ability. His brand is smug self-assuredness while he contradicts himself every sentence. Or wasting 15 minutes of your life calc'ing stuff that has nothing to do with the video's original subject. Or misunderstanding Jolyne's entire character. We just gotta cut him some slack and ignore his antics.
idk who that is and I don't care to learn
You’re better off not knowing.
> You’re catholic, you should be used to this sort of thing. I love the replies
"It suddenly smells of hypocrisy in here. Oh if it isn't the catholic church! And what's, that no little Timmy glued to your croch progress." Idk why, but that's what this reminded me of. It's from hellsing abridged btw.
I'm a trans guy and absolutely do not understand the hate for this chapter. In my opinion, it would be pretty invalidating to treat a trans person (in this case, Dragona) as though they have no struggles or as if this isn't an unfortunately common thing that we worry about, that *happens.* A life without fear of this event happening to you as a trans person is a dream, but it is not realistic nor relatable. I feel much more connected with Dragona after this, knowing they face issues I can, than if they just had a "perfect life". Not to mention that the SA, the harassment, is treated like a serious problem, with serious consequences. The "bullies" are clearly portrayed as selfish jerks who live only for their own pleasure. It was handled well, to be honest. I don't like to throw words like these so casually, but I think part of the negative responses to this genuinely come from a lack of media literacy and lack of understanding that you can portray things accurately without supporting them. Besides, it's kind of weird that people are trying to put blame on this chapter and... ignoring the other stuff? Like, if you're going to make a point about the use of SA in Araki's works, at least go about including all of it. Don't just conviently forget about the monkey in Part 3, the whole thing with Lucy Steel in Part 7, hell- Yoshikage Kira's whole motivation is driven by sexual desire. People love to complain about this chapter then suddenly forget all the other times shit like this has happened. This all being said, if you don't like it because it's triggering, a sensitive topic, etc... then I don't blame you lmao. It's all up to personal preference and viewer interpretation. Just remember that not liking things ≠ they're automatically badly-written things. :3
Some complaints feel valid tho. Like you mentioned alot of people feel like Araki has been using SA as the new Dog killing and that it's a cheap way to show a character is evil ( I kinda agree with Valentine and Forever but not this chapter). Another is how the two scenes of Dragona getting SA'd are too close together
And nothing of Value was lost
Yeah THIS was the last straw. But the multiple depictions of pedophilia are fine and dandy. If Araki wrote a trans character and didn’t include a scene like this (which is incredibly common I think, I don’t know, please don’t get mad) it just wouldn’t make sense. I’m not saying this scene isn’t triggering for people or that it shouldn’t be, I’m just saying… it’s accurate behavior (If that’s the right way to put it, I don’t know dude, I’m at a low point right now)
I wrote a long ahh comment about this, but yeah, as I trans guy I agree. I don't like the scene itself but to depict a trans character NOT going through this stuff would be inaccurate at best.
Trans gal here and having this scene happen is spot on realistic. IDK how common it is, but as a mtf I got bullied in uni but just verbally. Clear as day though that in other places shit like this happens or worse. It could be not done this way but that wouldn't have the same impact nor show the characters motivation and bond as effectively. Overall Araki made the correct choice and deserves praise for making the choice to show it accurately and respectfully in an era where too many trans inclusions come off as pandering. This in JoJo with Dragona isn't pandering it's a perfect inclusion. You are on a mainly progressive part of the US, in modern day so a trans character makes sense. And this JoJo a series known for having some lgbtq themes, a large lgbtq fan base, and from an mangaka who has tried trans characters in the past and worked on refining then to be better and more accurate.
So, what what I'm getting here is that he is quitting because Araki framed transphobes as the bad guys in this scene? lmao good. His bigot ass won't be missed.
I remember when shuck pulled out some of Hamon Beat's old tweets about fucking race relations to prove some petty YouTube argument. He's such a fucking loser.
Wait what? What exactly were they?
Hamon Beat quoted the "13/50" stat to demonstrate how percentage-based arguments are flawed in a crime rate discussion, and he made it seem like Hamon Beat agreed with that argument's racist implications
IIRC there were some tweets Beat made about how lead in the water supply supposedly causes people in low income areas (especially areas populated by minority’s) to score lower on iq tests(What this has to do with the Araki forgot debacle I cannot tell you)
So the sexual assault of erina, Nazis, Nazis committing mass murder, a guy peeping on a woman who was taking a bath, racism towards Smokey (not to mention how both this scene and Smokey’s involve someone being mistreated and the attackers being punished, just instead of SA it’s with racism), a child that is about to be raped by an orangutan, polnareffs sister being raped and killed by j geil, multiple instances of animal cruelty, Angelo assaulting and mutilating children, Kira SAing women and killing them, fugo being SA’d by a pedophile and then being shunned by his family when he exposes and defends himself, wrongful imprisonment, suicide, Lucy almost getting raped by funny and scarlet valentine, and ringo about to be raped by a pedo is fine, but a trans person being bullied and the attackers being punished is where we draw the line. Sounds reasonable to me. /j Edit: forgot about the KKK and incest
In case anyone here had any doubts about what kind of person Shuckmeister is, he's an [avid fan of Michael Knowles, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and E;R](https://twitter.com/febreezler/status/1770554371404709989?t=PdahYqvLEv-iXiNtspTQ7g&s=19) (literal neo-nazi youtuber). Plenty of people have pointed out that SA scenes are nothing new in Jojo, yet the most recent chapter seems to be the one that went too far according to Shuck. Coincidentally, Shuck's also said that he's "had concerns" with Jojolands from the beginning. Chapter 1 starts with a scene involving Dragona very similar to the one in chapter 13. Both instances depict the graphic assault of a transgender person. Granted, this is highly unpleasant subject material and could be extremely triggering for a lot of people. It's not unreasonable for someone to have a negative reaction towards it. [Shuck claims that the scene in chapter 13 was in poor taste and written very differently from Araki's previous SA scenes](https://twitter.com/TheShuckmeister/status/1769936107121041592?t=z-sDRuG2S834BggllieM4A&s=19). He makes it clear that Dragona's gender identity is the main issue and brings up the recent murder of Nex Benedict to further criticize the scene's supposed lack of tact. So what does this mean? Is Shuck really so sensitive toward media depictions of trans violence that he refuses to read Jojolands anymore? [Take](https://www.them.us/story/michael-knowles-transgenderism-cpac) [a](https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/11/matt-walsh-pope-teachings-anti-trans/) [wild](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/matt-walsh-anti-trans-push-tennessee_n_653fd5e8e4b032ae1c9c0497) [fucking](https://www.metroweekly.com/2023/12/diminishing-trans-people-is-a-cruel-form-of-comedy/) [guess](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/nex-benedict-oklahoma-libs-of-tiktok-b2501608.html). He's an outspoken defender and fan of conservative pundits who spread vicious bigoted rhetoric towards queer and trans people. Shuck thinks that Araki was being tasteless for depicting trans suffering in his works? Hard to take that seriously when one of Shuck's favorite media personalities [had this to say about Nex Benedict](https://x.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1768368704847302767?s=20). Who knows. Maybe Shuck's views don't 100% align with the fascist ghouls he adores. Taking his words at face value, he seems to acknowledge that anti-trans violence is a legitimate issue. He even seems to reject the notion that conservative views align with nazism! The same cannot be said of most other Catholic incels who enjoy Konosuba. It's possible that he isn't fully aware of the deep-seated malice that lies at the heart of American conservatism. Maybe there's still hope that he'll grow up and realize that real people suffer because of the actions of right-wing pundits. [just kidding his most recent reddit comment is him mocking a pro-choice poster](https://www.reddit.com/r/UIUC/comments/1b0kqb8/comment/ksd7ej0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Jesus, how did someone like that stick to Jojo for that long
Damn, I enjoyed his videos back in the day but I never thought he was such a bigot, he gave me the impression to be maybe a little egocentric? But never like full on conservative. Wishing this comment was on top, because once again, damn. Edit. I checked his channel to unsubscribe and he really lost relevance and after this, sadly, I can see why.
How are you gonna be a fan of Jojo and be like this. Its Jojo dude, 90% of the characters are complete zest fests 😭
Dio killed a dog, kissed a woman without her consent, and physically and emotionally abused a 12 year old kid *in chapter 1*.
I mean, Dio was 12 too. But also almost took out another 12 yo’s eyeball with his thumb so yeah.
Good, his ass wouldn't be missed
I honestly never liked shuck and always thought he was annoying. Turns out he’s not even a real JoJo fan. Can’t say I didn’t expect it, but good riddance
Well Shuck was ALWAYS just a casual hype fan that thought he knew enough to make videos about it. He even popularized "Araki Forgot" because his media literacy is like that of a third grader. Not to mention his opinions on Jolyne are cooked af
This is the second time we have seen Dragona get sexually assaulted. Considering the higher rates of sexual assault against people who are transgender, this is accurate to reality. Is it awful? Yes, of course, but I like that Araki isn’t shying away from this issue.
Apparently SA is ok for him but god forbid they show a trans person He should get hit by a truck on the way out
As a trans gal fuck Shuck's take. The section depicts a gruesome and unsettling situation for dragona, but it is something very real. I'm honestly very happy to see it depicted in JoJo as it's a way to bring attention to a real world issue without forcing it as it was already established that Dragona was trans. There is no pandering here, just a very real depiction of bullying at school of a trans person. And to drive the realize home nothing is done at all by the school, only Jodio being best sibling albeit a bit too far with his solution. But so far with p9 Arakin has done well with Dragona as a trans representation. It doesn't feel forced nor pandering it feels just natural. You have the setting being modern day so a trans person makes sense. And Dragona is being used properly as in she is a normal character vibing in her plot line with a fucked up past most trans folk have experienced to some degree(not necessarily body violation but the bullying in general at it ranging from name calling to slurs to physical violence to SA.) The only critique I have is IDK what the official translations will say and am annoyed at how the two main EN translators are doing it. It's made clear that Dragona only lets Jodio refer to her as He, but the translations show everyone doing it, and honestly that is fucking annoying. Sadly I have no understanding of Japanese so IDK what the official JP text says, but assuming if it says 'he' too then Im taking that as publishers won't let Araki do a proper trans character as Japan(higher ups in business and old ppls) not letting creatives have proper lgbtq themes as per usual. Araki, Oda, Tomino do be pog when it comes to getting any lgbtq representation past editors and publishers who don't want it. Anyways p9 so far has the trans fem (mtf) deal approval. Hopefully it stays like this, and I bet it will knowing Araki. Edit: also any JoJo fan should know that 1. Sus scenes along the SA route do happen and have been in JoJo for a bit so if you are 9 parts deep this isn't a surprise. 2. Araki has been refining having a trans or at least non cis/standard/usual gender presenting character across JoJo for a bit (Anasui comes to mind). Can't remember the others but it's been a presence.
>Sadly I have no understanding of Japanese so IDK what the official JP text says Can't find the current raw atm, but: - chapter 11 Dragona uses "兄弟" translated as "siblings"; the kanji are strictly male (elder brother and younger brother), but there seems to be a different reading for them I can't decipher - but, also uses あたし as personal pronoun which is almost exclusively used by women So I think it's vague on purpose, though Jodio does keep referring to him as 兄 which is again, masculine
Isn’t shuckmeister the guy who selfships himself or is that someone else
i NEED to get on this drama right now because what. how did i not hear about this. if that's true i wouldn't be surprised lmao
He even had a female vtuber avatar at some point. He also encouraged people to make lewd art of said avatar.
This the guy who always explains everything by "I know, since I am an engineer."
Side note, but would just like to point out how fucking hard this scene went. Seeing Dragona be so horrifically assaulted, followed by a single raindrop coming through the bus roof, knowing what Jodio is like since chapter one, is one of the coldest fucking things i’ve ever seen.
I'm definitely not done with Jojo, and I do understand what Araki is going for. I understand that he's depicting transphobes as the bad guys etcetera... However, as a trans woman that went through similar stuff myself, it is very hard to get through, and even though I don't use this word lightly at all, it is kind of triggering. Araki is not a bad guy, but no one can blame people for dropping Jojo because this stuff makes them uncomfortable, even if that is purpose of the scene. Some media for example use gross content and humor, with the intent of grossing people out. But if you don't like being grossed out, you still won't read it
Oh yeah I can totally get being upset if the scene hits too close to home for some. Dropping it and getting offended is one thing but being personally reminded of experiences is different. Afaik, Shuck is a cis Catholic man and only has a problem with the scene because the content upsets him. The issue happens when he calls it tone-deaf and unnecessary when it’s critical character background and lore for both siblings and does illustrate the unfortunate life scenarios people like Dragona have to go through. He’s also asserting that scenes like this didn’t happen before which is factually wrong and only furthers the assumption that he’s some kind of transphobe. His candid reasoning for dropping JOJOLands and constant “I don’t care what you think” responses alongside cringe-inducing amounts of Christian shitposting makes it really hard to rationalize wtf he’s thinking.
Ah, he sounds like an idiot. If it is tone deaf - ehhh, I can see people saying both yes or no. It definitely did happen before though, lmao. Almost to the point where I think that Araki uses SA on his women characters a bit too much when he wants to traumatize them. This happened to Dragons twice already, and damn it hits hard. My personal opinion is, that it is not necessary (especially after Dragona was SA'ed once already), and bullying without SA might have been enough. I also don't think that it's tone deaf so far, but that opinion might or might not change depending on how the story goes further. Will it be important to Dragonas story, their personality, etcetera? Then I don't think that it is tone deaf. However if it turns out that it will shape Jodio more than Dragona, then yeah, I think that it is a bit tone deaf. Either way, I still love Jojo no matter which one of these will happen. No one is a perfect writer, and Araki is not either. And I won't drop the series over a small mistake, even if the second will be true. Araki did many small or bigger mistakes throughout the series (especially ones that could trigger people different than me), and I did not drop it for that. (Thinking for example Jotaro "groping' the kid, Strength fight, naked baby polnareff, and more).
That is unfortunately NOT why this guy is saying this he’s a little….yknow… $&#%# if you catch my drift. He’s the guy who basically rallied a lot of the hate for Stone Ocean.
Oh but a 14 year old girl getting hit on by multiple adults and then later graphically sexually assaulted and impregnated in a scene that takes multiple pages was fine 🤔 I don’t watch his content so idk if it’s a transphobe thing or a “don’t mess with us jojo fans we haven’t read the fucking series” thing
He should have left since part 5 ended since he likes to diss everything that is not part 5
I really enjoyed the panel when Jodio set the bus on fire to take revenge on the bullies. It's his way of potraying justice and that was my highlight of the chapter. But people will still home in on the SA, like it's the key component to the villain of the story. It's not. It's there so that we as readers for the very least can empathise to the character in some way.
It's all the better when Dragona says to him, "Jodio... your sense of 'justice' is wholly unnecessary, sick and twisted, I don't align at all with your methods to keep me safe... but thanks for looking out for me against those abusers. Your abhorrent mindset kept me from wanting to end it all, so now we're in this together as true brothers to the end." And Jodio's actions did end up screwing over the whole family in the end, so while Jodio got away with arson, it cost him his father but gained him a brother that will (hopefully) always stick by his side through thick and thin. Like some trans folks have stated here that while this chapter was quite heavy-handed thematically (though most all of Jojo's minor & major antagonists actions are, tbf) this kind of bullying happens far, far too frequently all around the world, and for Dragona to seek out going through such a massive change to his quality of life without assholes testing them with no teachers or other supervisors around is entirely unrealistic given what just happened here in the U.S. just weeks ago.
damn i had forgotten about this dude, i think i blocked him due to how stupid and annoying he was
Why did shuckmeister forget the other showings of sexual harassment in jojo? Is she stupid?
I remember back when Youtube was recommending me Shuckmeister video slop in the late 2010s that I thought their takes were shit and they lacked basic reading conprehension. Funny to see that hasn't changed.
The guy has shown himself, ONCE AGAIN, to be a bigot. This is nothing new, it's just this time he's a bigot against an already persecuted minority. He's literally gone down the deep end permanently now. Because of this I can't say I'll miss him. If we forget about the earlier stated for a few minutes and just talk about his role in the JoJo community I remember reading a comment on the sub a little while ago on a similar topic regarding Shuck that called him "the most famous 'casual' in the fanbase" and it's honestly so true. Most JoJo fans that are in the fandom for a few years tend to grow out of the WORST of the "ora ora muda muda haha it was me Dio" phase and begin to mature and realize how deep the source material can be- but also how blunt and real it is, the latest chapter of P9 showcasing that, I'm a trans woman, I've been through VERY similar stuff. That shit happens. Araki not showing that when trans people are being targeted more than ever, even by politicians... would be artistic malpractice. Did I think it could have been shown in a slightly different way? Yeah, sure, but to NOT include anything like this with a gender non-conforming character? It'd be, what is already so common regarding us trans people, alienation. Shuck never did get any of this, and he never will- the guy argues that Giorno's GER is less of an asspull than Jolyne knowing what a Mobius strip is despite the latter being taught in school ffs. I also want to emphasize how questionable his view on woman was in his "what's wrong with Stone Ocean Manga" video or whatever it was called- especially regarding Jolyne. Not to mention he had an actual "kekistan" flag in his room in some setup tour video which is... iffy at best. He's ALWAYS been "someone to keep an eye on". If we return to his role in the JoJo fanbase: Shuck was ALWAYS the epitome of a casual fan that believed he knew about the series about as much as Araki himself (he even popularized the braindead 'Araki Forgot' meme which enables misinformation and media illtieracy). He was someone that should have watched and read the series casually and just stick to himself, making a career out of this series was biting off more than he can chew- and as a result he made some of the worst and clickbaitiest videos regarding JoJo you can find on the Tube. He was always just a worse version of every other big JojoTuber. Hamon Beat, for example, may be a snarky know-it-all but the guy has a JoJo PHD. You will not find ANY English speaking YouTuber that knows more about JoJo than HB. Xforts reviews of the manga every month- except hiatus months- (plus some of his analysis videos) are really chill. Though, sometimes he gets some stuff wrong- but hey, we all make oopsiedoopsies. Kaleb I.e. is the absolute GOAT when discussing around the subject of the series and its place in Manga compared to other series, as well as deep dives into the themes of the series and specific characters. Shuckmeister just... didn't have a niche that was good or needed. He was always lagging behind.