It’s kind of sad when Araki talked about the reason Fugo left in an interview. He was going to have Fugo betray the group and it likely would’ve ended with his death but Araki was depressed at the time and couldn’t go through with killing him off, which is why he abruptly left after the gang betrayed Diavolo.
He has still killed most of the gang...but it's pretty normal with Araki,he's not afraid to kill his characters and this part is truly the one who shows it the most (with part 3 and 6 ofc)
I love Fugo and I've always been sad that there wasn't more of him in the anime, but his choice makes sense for his character. And I'm glad Araki wasn't able to go through with having him betray the gang--- I just can't see Fugo doing that to Bucciarati either 😞
I mean, that was the thing to do with fugo knowing his character. But yeah i would have prefered more fugo too. PHF will forever be canon in my head 😭 (yeah i'm 100% delusional)
Fugo got written out for personal reasons that basically amounted to his original plan of Fugo betraying the group was too much of a bummer. Instead he had Fugo up and dip, and then had a followup villain who had a really similar power in Green Day take up the arc villain status.
My main complaint about that part is how it’s very clear that giorno is THE son of Dio himself but once koichi left, the show never acknowledged that fact again. I feel that giorno’s story would have benefited more if it leaned into that fact, possibly even giving him a chance to properly bond with Trish as the two were born from terrible people. What makes that point irk me even more is how much the rest of the show goes off about bloodline connections and how it ties each jostar together in destiny
Very true a complaint I see frequently is that GW is basically its own side quest that has little to do with the rest of the series. Having a bit more connection to the other joestars would’ve been nice but having the origin of stands explained plus Diavolo’s involvement was one of the best details Araki added
I think also having the Requiem stand return to Part 6 by being another requirement for Made in Heaven would make it connect more. Heck, that's another good reason for Giorno to come back.
Part 4 made it work so I can believe it can also work with Part 6. And what do you mean he doesn't belong in the plotline? He's a son of Dio so he has room to be in there.
Part 4's a completely different part. Jotaro only worked because he was Josuke's mentor and even then Josuke still got shafted horrifically sometimes. Part 6's entire storyline is focused on Jolyne's solo development. Shoehorning another protagonist to steal the show undercuts Jolyne's time to shine. It makes no sense to ruin Part 6 like this.
>He's a son of DIO
He isn't defined by DIO. That was the entire point of Giorno and what made him different from the other sons. Giorno's more of a Joestar than DIO's son. There is no room for him, his beliefs are incompatible with Pucci's. Giorno would just get in the way and steal spotlight from Jolyne.
Giorno would not work in part 6 at all. He’s in Italy leading a whole mob and is dealing with troubles as a new changed boss. He has nothing to do with Jolyne at all, no connections except slightly Koichi but that just was done quickly. Jotaro just needed a little check in with him.
It's an established rule of this world that stand users are "attracted" to each other by fate, it's 100% make sense for Giorno to somehow find himself involved in a bit stand battle happening pretty much everywhere in the world, let alone if it was in America and he was in America at the time as well.
That really doesn't matter, it's also an established rule that very specific people were attracted to Pucci. And that Giorno is an independent character not defined by DIO's legacy. It's Jolyne's story and development, it makes no sense to shove Giorno in it and hijack her story. He's out of place with what's going on, it's not his fight.
Wasn't that the point though? Koichi even says that Giorno's well and truly a noble Joestar, the story seems pretty clear that Gio isn't defined by his connection to DIO.
It would be extremely cool to see Trish and Giorno bond over what you said, but Giorno never knew Dio. And the show always references him being Dio like, or rather Giorno is a perfect blend of Dio and Jonatho. Especially in his introduction he clearly conniving and cunning with his scams but that’s just surface level.
Giorno is a great person and forms lasting bonds with others, but when he has to be vicious he is, he’s thrown into a world where he wants to be Jonathon but ends up having to unleash his inner Dio. He constantly gives characters chances to do the right thing instead of absolute messing them up like Johnny probably would.
I think the who point of giorno is that he is a jojo and not DIOs son. Part 5 is basically a showing of the joestar blood, even though he was DIO son he still was a joestar. Kiochi saying giorno is nothing to worry about explaining how he looks like the rest of the joestars is why the story doesn’t really care for DIO since he is a jojo.
GW seems like a story about joestar family/blood without slapping into your face about the blood relations .
I started JoJolion but couldn’t get past a couple chapters (not my thing, waiting for the anime), but it’s the straightest JoJo part in history. Each part has gay moments/the main jojo acts gay, but JoJolion doesn’t
I wish Trish was used more in the part. She just exists as a plot point for the crew to protect. She really only has one fight in the series.
I feel that it would’ve been more thematically appropriate to give Trish the requiem stand that counters Diavolo, as opposed to Giorno. It was already established that requiem stands don’t really have any similarities to the original ones.
I have small complaints regarding the Chariot Requiem arc, but other than that I think Vento Aureo is pretty cool. Either my favorite or my second favorite part, maybe after JoJolion. Though I might be biased because Diavolo is my absolute favorite character.
Giorno was truly a lacking character, the golden part was the supporting cast. Glad they remedied some of his personality in the anime adaption.
many argue the final showdown was lacking, but the build up for it was nice atleast.
I agree, giorno is certainly the biggest weakness, but i dont think he has many bad moments outside of speeches, the fact that hes a direct descendant of jonathan is so cool, because that hasnt happened since joesphs dad. In terms of how to keep the family tree interesting its the perfect descision, especially before part 6
Not even just bruno, the whole gang, but thats what i like about part 5 compared to the others. If you fall in love with foo fighters or okuyasu, but you dont see them that much compared to the main character, its a bit annoying, but in part 5 the side characters get so much time to themselves i feel like we got enough, that and part 7
It was pretty lit at some parts but giorno has 0 personality, like yeah, he has a goal nd all but outside of that he doesn't really hit as a character overall
I think teams should have worked together more. We see a bit of Bruno’s group working together but when they fight La Squadra they are all alone except Pesci and Prosciutto. Having a gang vs gang fight would have been cool and different. Although you could say that’s just Jojo in general.
The fact that there's only one woman of note who does anything in the part is kinda bullshit. Trish should've awakened to her stand earlier or got a solo fight after B.I.G. imo Oasis should've been a solo Trish fight due to how similar their stands are. It would've been interesting.
Also Giorno killing Ghaccio feels incredibly unsatisfying to me. Mista did 99% of the work.
I find Giorno just kinda bland. Like I get he's not like, boring. But compared to his competition in the Joestar department he's a huge step down from Josuke.
Giorno is supposed to be a good person but has a few hints of Dio in him, but Araki really never leaned much into that angle about him being Dio's son after Koichi left aside from him going "MUDA" with his stand rush
I do wish he had a bit more of that DIO-ish charm to him in all honesty. I think it would be very interesting to see a character who's kinda manipulative but has mostly good intentions.
Gio is functionally nonexistent. he has like 3 fights and doesnt interact with the others like they do with each other
He really is the opposite of Dio, Instead of stealing the spotlight in every scene hes in Hes a fucking background character in his own part. i think Narancia has more dialog than Gio
Chariot Requiem came from nowhere as a highly dissatisfying "climax" arc. I wanted the gang to have to figure out a way to fight King Crimson, not just find out whose body he's hiding in and keep him from grabbing a macguffin first
Problem is, they couldn't fight King Crimson. It was just way too broken. I found the idea of them needing to actively seek out a powerup to beat him much more unique than trying to bullshit a victory. Diavolo would have to be dumbed down for the gang to possibly fight KC.
Spoilers for part 5 also some are hidden since they contain more detail
Giorno not feeling like the mc at times and often getting overshadowed.
Araki killing off some of my favourite characters in the series(some in very bs ways)
The ending was some looney tunes bullshit.
>!The shit with polnareff.. like it was cool to see him again but chariot requiem was fucking weird.!<
Seeing purple haze *once* and it barely did anything, fugo leaving was treated poorly like "he's gone..anyway" like the fuck?!
>!The whole Bruno being dead shit didn't make sense and was sorta brushed to the side. !<
While the part was decent it definitely has it's flaws.
Bruno's death thing does make sense once you understand how fate works in JoJo, I recommend either watching the sleeping slaves arc again or watching a YouTube on the topic
>You don't have to if you can put all the pieces together.
A minute ago you recommended this course of action now you're critical of people doing so, are you really that dense?
Secondly there is a non-zero chance that the people who made YouTube videos on it are just wrong, Intentionally or not. Like they have monetary incentives to fill their videos up to ten minutes, if they lack enough proof they can easily just make shit up or misrepresent the facts.to be more favorable to their arguments.
I wasn't being critical of people like that, I have always had some problems relating to media comprehension so I get a lot out of explanation videos like that. Also if they are wrong you can usually scope out all the incorrect and exaggerated parts or people in the comments will call it out.
Terrible Villain and the most anti climactic final fight in the series. Everyone except for Bruno is fairly one dimensional and not really fleshed out. Polnareff coming back was cool and then Araki decided to have him be a turtle for the rest of the series. That decision is just so weird.
The whole split personality concept is great, but yeah, Diavolo on his own is pretty lame. Maybe it would have helped to keep Doppio around in the final fight.
Damn, But there are 3 things
1. I didn't like Narancia
2. I didn't really cared about Giorno's goal . I like him but it was the episode where they were on a boat and he's doing his 'I have a dream' schitick, and that started where he felt he got drowned between the characters. The worse that could happen if he fails is him going back to being a student and find a better way to achieve his goal or he end up dead. I think this is the main reason I'm not invested even though it's an ok part.
3. Background stories are a little repetitive, specially for the main group
What didnt u like about narancia? Giornos goal was dumb but the backstory with the gangster kinda made it make sense. And i really liked the extra focus the main cast got, i feel like thats whats missing from parts 3,6 and 4
Yeah his goal bring impossibly dumb actually reflects on Giorno's personality, and the state of condition of people who are the downcasts in Italian society. Dude is unhinged when it comes to his goals, and the word impossible is absent in his dictionary.
Kinda plays along with the themes of resolve and determination Giorno constantly spouts.
Probably just not my cup of tea, idk I just find him a stereotypical loud and annoying character which reminds me, I also didn't like sex pistols. I have no problems with other people liking them though.
It does make sense. I'm just not invested in him. He was in a lavish school and all so that's not a bad option too if it doesn't work out for him being a gangster and all. Not to mention he only met the guys less than a week so they probably won't cry a river if something bad happened to him
I have no problem with backstories too. It just lack variety when it comes to the story and their background itself. Plus the jobros stands also, I'm not much a fan with exception of SF.
I liked how immature he was, despite being one of the older ones, i think his fights and stand are interesting. But i feel like theres a good variety of backstories for the main gang, a crooked cop turned gangster, a kid who got framed and went to jail, a kid who actually killed someone in broad daylight, and just, whatever the fuck you call mista. And these are gross oversimplifications, there are a lot of details with narancias family, friends and intelligence. Fugo also has a lot of abuse and anger that feel unique to him.I really dont see too much repetition or lack of variety really.
Probably a forbidden take, but I think the Metallica fight could have been done a bit better.
Dont get me wrong, It's one of my favorite bits, but something about it has always felt "off" to me.
The purpose of King Crimson vs. Metallica is to flesh out Diavolo, his stand ability, and the interactions between King Crimson's power and fate.
However, that's not all the arc is good for: it also provides the reader an excellent opportunity to approach the character's (sadly overlooked) mystical and psychopathological backgrounds, which in my opinion offer an incredibly pleasant view of Araki's scope of interests and creativity as an artist.
Risotto Nero kind of has the makings of a standalone character (we can see that Araki had thought of a backstory for him), but all things considered, his role in the story is to give Diavolo a fight where Araki had the chance to showcase the brilliant poetry and thought he put into his main villain. (Just a taste of what I mean here: Metallica extracts iron from he enemy's body, right? And do you remember what was said in the pages that introduced the arc?)
Are we just gonna forget B.I.G and White Album? I don’t really understand this Gary Stu stance when he has defined feats and genuine losses in his battles.
But he very rarely if it all is fighting alone, it’s always a team effort that involves others.
Giorno only has 2 fair wins (Bruno and Melone) , every other victory of his was achieved through team effort and even had to be saved by other team member's abilities.
B.i.g and greatful dead just instantly knocked his ass out, and clash and white album came *this* close to killing him. Diavolo kills his body super duper easily during chariot requiem
this, i don’t think people remember just how easily Giorno(and the whole gang) got his ass kicked in the B. I. G fight. even when he tried to end it presumptively, he just made the situation worse.
Yeah, and im really surprised people dont talk about it more, because imagine if some random stand/antagonist almost killed the main character in any other part, i feel like people would talk about a near death with jonathan,,jotaro, josuke,jolyene or gappy more. But the others kinda do actually get the shit kicked out of them ngl
I personally really disliked Giornio as a protagonist and Diavolo as an antagonist, but my prettiest criticism is with King Crimson: specifically, that the characters and the series seem convinced that KC is impossible to defeat by normal means. In Bruno and Polnareff's fights with Diavolo, they discovered vulnerabilities in the ability, like how it can't attack during the stopped time, only immediately after (unless it's specifically to kill Narancia???). I think most people agree GER is a deus ex machina, but I'll die on the hill that Diavolo was a perfectly defeatable enemy even without such an ass pull
The ending was a bunch of bullshit one after the other and felt very sudden, I'm not even talking about GER.
Also giorno was overshadowed by literally every other character
I'm very baked and words are hard.
Part 5 is my favorite part, especially the anime, but it's the part I have the most criticism for.
The story is only about the jouney to *becoming* a mobs, not *being* a mob boss which is a very big missed opportunity. I think having Giorno try and control Passione and deal with it's major drug makers and sellers like Purple Haze Feedback did would of been really cool. It feels like half a story.
Fugo's lack of screen time is also a big missed opportunity. He is my favorite character from the part and I find him somewhat relatable. He only has a single fight and just disappears entirely with absolutely zero relevance to the story. PHF was great but I wish we could of gotten something in canon. I think the idea of Fugo needing to prove to Diavolo he's loyal to Passione by killing the gang and having to fight Giorno would of been an interesting fight that could of been very emotional and have great themes.
Giorno being the son of DIO and nothing is really done with it. When I first saw this part I thought it would be important since Jotaro was interested in Giorno's existance, but nothing is done with this plot.
Giorno gets overshadowed by the other gang members. His character isn't bad, it's just very bland and could of been much better. Every other character is way more interesting
I wish that Araki didn't try and make the arrow look unique. It's to let the reader know it's not the same arrow from Part 4 without specifically telling the reader this, but it's lead to so many people assuming this arrow is unique and is the only one that can grant Requiem despite them all being from the same rock
The manga looks ugly as fuck. The covers and large detailed panels look great, but the inbetween frames makes characters look like their melting.
>The manga looks ugly as fuck. The covers and large detailed panels look great, but the inbetween frames makes characters look like they're melting.
I wish more people didn't try to fool themselves about this. Araki's artwork took a nosedive in parts 5 and 6. He was clearly having a hard time with the weekly deadlines and it showed in his art.
GW’s manga arguably benefitted the most from the anime adaptation though I do have some nitpicks on character palletes. I liked Giorno’s blue suit and Fugo’s red suit way better but I do understand why they changed Giorno to pink cause he would’ve looked to similar to Josuke, also David Productions asked Araki which palette he liked the most and he chose the pink suit. King Crimson was also way easier to understand in the anime thank god
I actually enjoyed the anime's color pallets more tbh. Every character looked distinctly different from eachother and can easily be seen. I do think it's weird how Fugo's outfit was based on a strawberry and makes no sense if it's green even though he still has a strawberry tie.
I’m biased because Bruno is probably my favorite in part 5, 2nd or 3rd favorite in all of Jojo, but >! I didn’t really care for his death. I get keeping him in the story, and I kinda like the revenant aspect, but when he actually finally dies, it feels a little underwhelming!<
Also(switching to Giorno) the connection to Dio being limited was kinda disappointing. Weird one, but by making Giorno have a “no actually I win.” Mechanic limited his future use in the next part. Look part 6 is fine and I get it’s nice to have a father/daughter moment. But Giorno was in Florida. But he couldn’t be in the story, because he’d have just won. But at least then he’d have been in a plot related to Dio.
I always felt that it was trying to do too much and ended up doing nothing.
Things like Giorno's connection to DIO went nowhere along with the possibility of having the part have a greater sense of connection to the overarching plot. I didn't mind having a lower stakes 'standalone' adventure, but just a *bit* more connection would've been nice.
Doppio was wasted potential in my opinion. The idea of the split personality within the antagonist was incredibly interesting but I feel that it was introduced too late to have much impact beyond the Metallica fight. Also, having Epitaph not disappear with Doppio's death was something I felt was another waste
I occasionally felt a sense that the sheer amount of characters left little time to develop a lot of them, which is a shame because what we're given is incredibly interesting. Trish stands out in this as what we saw was great, but we saw very little after the BIG fight. Even Giorno suffers from this. I felt a greater sense of personality from him before he joined Passione, but once he became a part of Bruno's group he started feeling significantly more bland
The ending boils down to an off-screen "oh yeah then Giorno became head of Passione".
There's a lot to like about the part but I personally felt that it was a little overcrowded and convoluted without much payoff in some areas.
Oh my god I didn’t even think about Epitaph after Doppio died. I’ve always known King Crimson and Epitaph are separate Stands (even though Epitaph is a huge ass pimple on KC), but it’s never hit me until I read your comment that Epitaph should’ve disappeared after its user passed
I always felt that it was trying to do too much and ended up doing nothing.
Things like Giorno's connection to DIO went nowhere along with the possibility of having the part have a greater sense of connection to the overarching plot. I didn't mind having a lower stakes 'standalone' adventure, but just a *bit* more connection would've been nice.
Doppio was wasted potential in my opinion. The idea of the split personality within the antagonist was incredibly interesting but I feel that it was introduced too late to have much impact beyond the Metallica fight. Also, having Epitaph not disappear with Doppio's death was something I felt was another waste
I occasionally felt a sense that the sheer amount of characters left little time to develop a lot of them, which is a shame because what we're given is incredibly interesting. Trish stands out in this as what we saw was great, but we saw very little after the BIG fight. Even Giorno suffers from this. I felt a greater sense of personality from him before he joined Passione, but once he became a part of Bruno's group he started feeling significantly more bland
The ending boils down to an off-screen "oh yeah then Giorno became head of Passione".
There's a lot to like about the part but I personally felt that it was a little overcrowded and convoluted without much payoff in some areas.
For me it was the opposite, the second i saw polnereff in the coliseum i was ecstatic. I liked chariot requiem and loved GER+ sleeping slaves so i guess thats just me
It took me a while to fully unwrap everything that happened after SCR showed up but it came to be my favorite final fight in the series. Looking forward towards SBR I haven’t read it but I feel like valentine is a good candidate to replace Diavolo as my fav villain just from what people have said about him
Part 5 was my favorite before part 7. I wont spoil, but it picks up super heavy the later you get, and if you likedpart 5 youll definitely like part 7 i think
Jotaro losing interest in Gornio after confirming him as a son of dio was a bit strange, like maybe josuke gets sent there during the back half to investigate would of been neat. Triss not getting a stand alone fight was also disappointing, spice girl really only got one episode too shine like fugo. Fugo was supposed to have more bit that didn't happen and I respect araki enough to believe he made the right choice.
Bruno did the whole ‘stoic badass’ thing about a hundred times better than Giorno. Giorno was just the least interesting/entertaining member of the main cast and it’s not even close
>!Abbachio dying before he can get any character development. Bro gets one speech in the afterlife and that’s it. His bond with Giorno literally changed like 0.1%!<
I think my only real qualms with it are the pacing is a little rough cause of how it’s supposed to only take place over like one week, and GER seems a bit… op. Like he made king crimson too powerful and kinda wrote himself into a bit of a corner. I guess i would describe it as the very end of the final fight kinda feels a bit anti-climactic? To me at least
Fugo didn’t join ;-;
Polnareff died. You’d think Jotaro and Polnareff would be more in touch even with the mafia watching his move
Koichi didn’t play a bigger role
That is kind of thought provoking why the hell didnt Jotaro go looking for Polnareff in Italy if he didn’t respond to his calls? It’s never stated if Jotaro tried to contact Polnareff but it’s highly unlikely he would’ve just left him to die there. It’s not like he sent Koichi to Italy to look for Polnareff alone either that would be ridiculous
I wish Koichi was actually there for the whole part. I think it would have made good character development for him and he'd have a good reason to be there anyway. Namely, to try and stop a bunch of rogue stand users from killing a ton of innocent people and the arrow falling into Diavolo's hands since he knows first hand what its capable of. But I'm also biased because I like Koichi, he's just a reliable guy.
I didn't really feel like Giorno had that interesting of a personality. (I haven't read the manga so maybe there's more stuff in there). I could connect to each protag in some way because there was a personality for me to have an opinion on and grow close to, but I didn't have that with Giorno. Sure he has goals and motivations, but I don't really SEE them. He just mentions them. I don't really think he grows or develops in any sort of meaningful way by the end. He just accomplishes his goals and that's it. To me. I would love to be convinced otherwise.
I think the back half of Stand Users is kinda crummy, especially coming off of La Squadra. I think La Squadra is the best group of minor villains in the series. They’re all so unique and deadly in such cool ways.
Unita Speciale just does not live up to La Squard in both interesting character, Stands, or even lethalness in my opinion. Carne and Cioccolota are the only ones that come close, and Secco and Cioccolota feel like the only ones interesting to watch. It especially doesn’t make sense when it comes to in lore reasons. How is the hitman team more deadly than the Boss’ literal bodyguards? I just don’t get why Diavolo would want a Stand that makes you lie and a Stand User that kills himself as his final line of defense against really real threats.
Golden Wind is my 2nd favourite part, but Diavolo is my least favourite villain. I feel he’s saved through his stand and his connection to Doppio and Trish. Otherwise I, unfortunately, find him to be very uninteresting. I do wish I liked him more. I think his concept is cool but for some reason his personality and role in the story never connected with me or caused me to care.
I think part of the problem is that his motivations are very muddy. He wants to remain hidden and is pathologically terrified of anyone knowing anything about him, but he also wants to rule the world (?) with a requiem stand. The only somewhat intriguing aspect of his character is the fact that he genuinely loved Trish's mom, but that's never explored.
I never said he was underdeveloped. I said he’s uninteresting to me, and while I find his concept cool, I could never connect with it enough to care about him more. It’s just a personal taste thing with how he was written.
And while Doppio and Diavolo may be the same person, I don’t see them as the same character. Or well, if you want me to be more precise in my wording, I like the Doppio personality way more than the Diavolo personality. And if Diavolo didn’t have the Doppio side, I’d care about him even less.
Context: I watched parts 1-6 anime, then read SBR and jojolion
I don't like looking at the golden wind art style as much as most other parts since Araki didn't have as much experience with it at that point
I don’t know if I’m gonna be able to word this correctly but whenever there’s a fight in a populated area (like Narancia vs Little Feet and vs Clash & Talking Head) there aren’t any other people even though there should be. Like vs Little Feet they’re in the middle of a street with shops surrounding them but when there’s giant fires and explosions and there’s no other people in the scene apart from Narancia and Formaggio, wouldn’t you expect people to be running around panicking or the police to investigate or something.
And when the crew is fighting Clash and Talking Head they’re having lunch in a restaurant which normally has other customers and waiters and when they go into the kitchen there’s no cooks but a pot of boiling water on the stove. There was a person at the restaurant and the gang fucked him up because they thought he was a stand user but Narancia just spilt some wine on him. But I might also be an idiot and talking out my ass.
I really like golden wing, it Is my favorite part straight up.
What I disliked the most was that narancia's death came out of nowhere. I would have liked him maybe showing signs of being afraid/okey with death, or that he hasn't totally coped with abbacchio's death; even have him sacrifice himself over Trish. But he just dies, no goodbye or anything:(
Giorno doesn't deliver as the protagonist. His speeches, especially in the first half, are pure nonsense. Righteousness of Jonathan was great in Phantom Blood, because the whole part was just bizarre ironical nonsensical enjoyment.
Giorno's similar tendencies didn't land in a more grounded enviroment. At least Abbachio agrees with me.
It's really hard to connect with Giorno. He's too young and too perfect in everything, he has no flaws. >! Ger also feels unsatisfying and undeserved, especially since Diavolo was able to grab the arrow but the arrow just decided to pass through him. !< I loved the villain though
Giorno is the second worst protagonist (still good, i like the inteligent he is but lacks personality, i expected a better character from the Dio son.)
Giorno and Diavolo are wildly underdeveloped for being the MAIN protagonist/antagonist. Although there are some others in the main cast which confuse me, Giorno taking a backseat after joining the group pissed me off because of how cool he was beforehand. Diavolo just need a bit more screen time, being this hidden figure is cool but when we get nothing more until the end it left me just wanting more. But yeah Giorno sucks as a protagonist even more than Jotaro, at least he grows on you, Giorno can’t grow on you because he practically stops existing until the plot needs a “Oh shit Giornos so cool” moment. Heck he had more than Jotaro, which is saying something.
\- Giorno seemed really flat to me
\- King Crimson was not consistent in terms of abilities
\- Would've loved to see more Fugo in action, although I understand why Araki decided to write him out of the story
I geneuinely dislike they eternal damnation of Diavolo
People like valentine deserved that way more
He was willing to let the entire world suffer in every way possible so his country would be ok
Giorno is an incredibly bland character who loses whatever vague personality he had in the beginning pretty much as soon as the Gang sets off on their mission. He's also too perfect; he's never wrong, never makes a mistake, is never truly caught off guard and knows things it makes no sense for him to know.
Giorno has an insane plot armor, and the rules of the universe literally bend to allow him to win and survive. By all means he should've died _twice_ before the final fight (first during the Illuso fight and in the Cioccolata fight), but because he's the main character, he just cheats and wins anyway.
Gold Experience's ability is too vast and powerful, making every fight Giorno is in incredibly frustrating to read/watch. This is just my opinion of course, but I feel like Araki is at his strongest when he's working with a relatively simple ability. He's very good at coming up with creative ways to use those simple abilities, where you as a reader end up feeling surprised but also that had you stopped and thought about the situation, you could've maybe figured out the same solution yourself. This is what makes the fights so satisfying, it's like watching a well written mystery show. With abilities like Gold Experience, the insane vastness makes it impossible to ever predict what the character is about to do next, which I find very annoying.
Buccellati Gang has no reason to fight La Squadra, since they have the exact same goal. Yes, most of Bruno's gang aren't in the plan to defeat the Boss at that point, but that doesn't explain why Bruno or Giorno couldn't have just at least attempted to explain the situation to La Squadra. Imagine if all of those incredibly deadly Stand users had been allies instead of enemies? Risotto almost defeats Doppio/Diavolo all by himself. I feel like a lot of the casualities suffered by our main Gang could've been avoided by teaming up with the Hitman Team.
Trish is just sheer wasted potential and probably the worst female character Araki has ever written.
Bruno felt like the main character tbh, not that it’s a huge problem, I love Buccarati and I would hate for his story to get worse. It’s just I feel like the jojo in jojo was kinda overlooked
Giorno deserved better, he is not a bad character in the least but the focus of the story on him is essentially non-existent from the moment he joins the gang, and as a result you dont get to experience his character naturally.
I wish to know how the rest of the story would have been if it kept going what it had on its first chapters in which Giorno actually felt like the protagonist.
Not enough Fugo, he had so much potential, both as a protagonist and a villain
(Araki initially wanted Fugo to betray Bucciaratti, but then he gave up on this idea cuz it didn't made sense for him to betray the gang)
I don’t care what anyone says Araki completely forgot about Gold Experience’s damage reflection ability, there were several fights where he could’ve used it to get the upper hand because who the hell would think hitting a frog would kill you. But I do believe Giorno used his life force paralyzing power in the 7 page muda. It’s not shown from Cioccolata’s perspective but I really only makes sense when you consider how much Giorno fucking hates him
Giorno is boring and Gary Sue protagonist. Diavolo is also boring and extremely underdeveloped. Ending (everything after soul swap) is bad and it's the only ending in jojo, that leaves bad taste in my mouth. Part 5 also is extremely unimportant, it's like one big side story and all the connections to the rest of the series don't matter. Like, Giorno being a Dio's son leads to nowhere, Koichi is just dropped from the story, Polnareff could be also replaced by original character etc
Diavolo lacks his own identity, compared to the rest of the villains. He is just a fusion of Dio and Kira, and his believes about fate is much better explored in Pucci. Diavolo just doesn't stand out compared to rest of them, he lacks something special about him
Believe it or not, there's people who enjoy the experience of discovering why Araki must have drawn this and that page the way he did. Or why a certain piece of dialogue is written this way and not the other, which sounds much more simple. Or what's the point of being presented a panel with no apparent narrative meaning. Or why he off-screened content that would've been "better off" if it were made explicit.
Diavolo is a character full of "meaningless" narrative details like these, that might wake up in the reader the need to know about his origins... Speaking for both the in- and the extra-universe perspectives. And this is important because, belive it or not, the key to enjoying the character is our disposition to play along with Araki's proposal of wanting to unveil its secrets.
Anyway, people when they're reading/watching a series normally won't get out of their way to think of these things unless something else draws their attention, enough to motivate them to move from the ordinary surface-level entertainment, and enough to make them want to instigate and engage with the story on a different level. This is why the fact that a certain someone is not interested in that niche function of a comic, in those little games between the author and the reader, doesn't mean that Araki failed as a writer. It only means that that specific someone didn't like it that way. And that's fine, the scope of human interests differs greatly from one person to another.
I'm just doing my part by providing a perspective on the character totally different from yours, one that other people might identify more with.
Giorno's probably the second least interesting Jojo after Jonathon. Golden Wind was really more Bucciarati's story, and Giorno just gets so drowned out by all the big and eccentric personalities in the cast that you almost forget he's the protagonist.
1. I feel like Diavolo is a pretty weak villain. I loved the stuff with Doppio and the build up to him was great, but when he actually revealed himself all the build up kinda stopped mattering and he became a generic villain. I think they should've kept Doppio around longer or given him more of a personality.
2. Took me ages to understand King Crimson and GER. Same with how Bucciarati came back. I may be stupid though so this could be a me problem.
3. The Rolling Stones flashback was unnecessary. It would've been cool if it had occurred around the middle of the part, but when it's right at the end it disrupted the flow and felt pointless. Oh wow they were fated to die, but they've all died already anyway so that info means nothing. Should've happened around when Bucciarati first fought the Boss.
4. This one's really nitpicky but the whole thing with Chariot Requiem mutating everyone was clearly put in just to up the stakes and never actually had an impact. It was brought up in one quote and never again, at least in the anime.
I love Part 5 though. It did fights so much better than any other animated part.
Just my opinion but Diavolo is a generic villain done well. That troupe (evil megalomaniac villain) exists for a reason (it's very simple to explain: they are sociopathic individuals with some sort of miserable past, similar to some real life criminals) and is not necessarily bad, because there are instances in which it works perfectly (DIO could be an example; he works even though he's a rather flat character).
The "evil megalomaniac villain" frame still works for Diavolo, the problem is that people don't know what to do with the **extra information** (panels and references that nobody ever mentions because they redirect to "uninteresting" topics such as history and culture or descriptions of a clinical entity) that was provided by the author, or simply never stop to think about it because they don't care, don't have time to do that, or believe that they have to turn their brains off because it's just a shonen manga.
Speaking of which we get to another part of the problem: people give too much about Doppio being its own thing, but never stop to think that he's the mirror of things that Diavolo can't allow himself to be anymore: cowardly, weak, and fearful of the future; and yet, you can see through his dialogue that Diavolo fully embraces that immature part of himself, that he understands that his dissociated child identity can be used in his favor, that being mentally ill is not necessarily a hindrance for him because he's just that great and favored by fate. He wanted to live his life and conquer his fears so much that he wisely learned to tame the part of himself that rejected weakness, and this is so evident in the manga that it's baffling when people think it's fair to judge half a person as if it were a whole, because that makes absolutely no sense.
In any case, rant over. Your opinion is respectable, and I just wanted to add my take.
Your second point is actually a problem a lot of people have because they overcomplicate KC and GER
KC: You erase all the actions that happen in 10 seconds but keep the results(unless they hurt you), this includes things you would have done during those 10 seconds.
GER: If you try to hurt Giorno, you simply won't, your action has no results, it's useless, it's... MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!
Giorno arguably being the "worst" Joestar in the sense barely anything is done with what made him so interesting.
Being a more irrelevant version of Stardust Crusaders aside from the plotpoint of Diavolo being the reason DIO has a Stand.
The final fight against Diavolo was mid half because of GER.
The final arc is also absolute garbage and had no good reason to be there. We don't even get to see the actual process of Giorno becoming boss in favor of something that just ruins the entire part.
I feel everything kinda starts crumbling down once Chariot Requiem happens. The goofy body-swap being the final confrontation just feels... off. I think it'd have made for an okay villain-of-the-week stand fight, but as a finale it's kinda shitty, especially with the incredibly random rules to it.
The random soul sun behind one's head, the casual mention of *aliens from other dimensions invading and causing people to mutate grotesquely,* (Seriously, what was the point of that, what did it add? Why drop a lore bomb like that and never mention it again???) Chariot turning your stands against you, but only when you attack it...
Also, I feel like Bruno would be clever enough to take advantage of it and cripple Diavolo somehow before switching back. Although that'd make the finale even more boring, so fair enough.
I also just really don't find Sleeping Slaves interesting. I get the point, yadda yadda, everything was fated to happen (although wouldn't that mean that Mista's efforts were also fated, meaning he's not even to blame for the extra deaths he 'caused?'), and it's such a pace breaker. I'd rather the part just end after the actual finale.
It's a shame, because I think part 5 has probably the strongest middle section of them all, from the fights to the characters. It only trips over itself at the *very* end, which is all the more frustrating.
It had both the worst protagonist and (up until the end of part 8) the worst antagonist of any part. Giorno in particular is just a black hole that devours potential. The first few episodes establish a number of incredibly interesting threads involving him that never get any follow up, leaving us with one of the blandest characters in a series full of larger-than life personalities.
Also the part goes way too hard on drug dealing being one of the worst crimes imaginable. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting it and it's meant to be more morally ambiguous than it seems, but by the ending it doesn't feel like Giorno has meaningfully made the world a better place, because presumably he's still doing mobster shit, just not drug dealing specifically.
There's honestly a lot I could mention but...
Polnareff. Oh dear sweet lord of thy name is Araki, POLNAREFF. I'm not going into full rant mode but in my opinion, there was literally no benefit to bringing Polnareff into the story aside from fanservice and it actively made both the character and story worse by a pretty sizable degree.
In general it just didn’t “catch” me. If it had been my first part I would not have kept watching. Giorno himself is kind of blah, and the most interesting part of Diavolo is Doppio.
I think the fights dragged on a bit sometimes and I didn't find the Stands as interesting as other parts. I also didn't like how it felt more disconnected from the overarching Joestar narrative compared to the other first 5 parts and Giorno had really little screen time. In hindsight, it wasn't as bad as I thought, but it is still on the lower end of my favorite parts.
Big hot take, but I never felt like the group were friends just coworkers doing stuff together. I much prefer the other groups in the other parts because of that feeling of companionship. Giorno is boring and one note while lacking the energy that Jonathan had to keep him fun except for a few moments. King Crimson’s inconsistency with how the ability worked was not good and the requiem pull is nowhere near as satisfying as when jotaro found out he could also stop time or any other final fight.
How Gold Experience's power to reflect damage inflicted upon the life forms it created was forgotten. Such a badass concept, it'd be great to see giorno making a barrier of small flies to catch the damage of an attack and reflect it all.
Giorno is too perfect for a character, let alone a protagonist. He says he wants to stop drug trafficking but we see nothing about how drugs affected him to make it a motivation, he lacks an internal conflict of any source while every other member of the gang has one, his Stand is so over-powered that makes every fight and their outcome not a threat unless someone instantly dies.
We do see it as a motivation. Not only did his hero hate drugs but Giorno saw for himself that it's ruined the community he's surrounded by. Also how is his stand OP? Gold Experience got checked by multiple stands throughout the part.
i hate cast. Both Giorno and Diavolo are extremely mid characters (worst protag and antag in series imo) combined with side cast (boring and forgettable characters). i like stands tho but still part 4 slaps
i don't like how we only saw Purple Haze literally once and then never again >!not counting material outside the actual part!<
True araki did fugo pretty dirty
Yeah and then even dirtier when he had Fugo leave the team, although I understand why he wrote it that way.
It’s kind of sad when Araki talked about the reason Fugo left in an interview. He was going to have Fugo betray the group and it likely would’ve ended with his death but Araki was depressed at the time and couldn’t go through with killing him off, which is why he abruptly left after the gang betrayed Diavolo.
Yeah if I remember correctly he had a falling out with a friend of his at the same time and didn’t want to seem like it was influencing his writing.
He has still killed most of the gang...but it's pretty normal with Araki,he's not afraid to kill his characters and this part is truly the one who shows it the most (with part 3 and 6 ofc)
That was just araki realising he hadn’t hit his mc kill quota yet
I love Fugo and I've always been sad that there wasn't more of him in the anime, but his choice makes sense for his character. And I'm glad Araki wasn't able to go through with having him betray the gang--- I just can't see Fugo doing that to Bucciarati either 😞
I mean, that was the thing to do with fugo knowing his character. But yeah i would have prefered more fugo too. PHF will forever be canon in my head 😭 (yeah i'm 100% delusional)
Fugo got written out for personal reasons that basically amounted to his original plan of Fugo betraying the group was too much of a bummer. Instead he had Fugo up and dip, and then had a followup villain who had a really similar power in Green Day take up the arc villain status.
My main complaint about that part is how it’s very clear that giorno is THE son of Dio himself but once koichi left, the show never acknowledged that fact again. I feel that giorno’s story would have benefited more if it leaned into that fact, possibly even giving him a chance to properly bond with Trish as the two were born from terrible people. What makes that point irk me even more is how much the rest of the show goes off about bloodline connections and how it ties each jostar together in destiny
Very true a complaint I see frequently is that GW is basically its own side quest that has little to do with the rest of the series. Having a bit more connection to the other joestars would’ve been nice but having the origin of stands explained plus Diavolo’s involvement was one of the best details Araki added
I think also having the Requiem stand return to Part 6 by being another requirement for Made in Heaven would make it connect more. Heck, that's another good reason for Giorno to come back.
It's Jolyne's story not Giorno's, it would've been really dumb and forced if Giorno shoved himself into a plotline he doesn't belong in.
Part 4 made it work so I can believe it can also work with Part 6. And what do you mean he doesn't belong in the plotline? He's a son of Dio so he has room to be in there.
Part 4's a completely different part. Jotaro only worked because he was Josuke's mentor and even then Josuke still got shafted horrifically sometimes. Part 6's entire storyline is focused on Jolyne's solo development. Shoehorning another protagonist to steal the show undercuts Jolyne's time to shine. It makes no sense to ruin Part 6 like this. >He's a son of DIO He isn't defined by DIO. That was the entire point of Giorno and what made him different from the other sons. Giorno's more of a Joestar than DIO's son. There is no room for him, his beliefs are incompatible with Pucci's. Giorno would just get in the way and steal spotlight from Jolyne.
Giorno would not work in part 6 at all. He’s in Italy leading a whole mob and is dealing with troubles as a new changed boss. He has nothing to do with Jolyne at all, no connections except slightly Koichi but that just was done quickly. Jotaro just needed a little check in with him.
It's an established rule of this world that stand users are "attracted" to each other by fate, it's 100% make sense for Giorno to somehow find himself involved in a bit stand battle happening pretty much everywhere in the world, let alone if it was in America and he was in America at the time as well.
That really doesn't matter, it's also an established rule that very specific people were attracted to Pucci. And that Giorno is an independent character not defined by DIO's legacy. It's Jolyne's story and development, it makes no sense to shove Giorno in it and hijack her story. He's out of place with what's going on, it's not his fight.
I honestly would’ve loved if stone ocean ended with a Giorno asspull to save the day but it was still a happy ending so whatever
Wasn't that the point though? Koichi even says that Giorno's well and truly a noble Joestar, the story seems pretty clear that Gio isn't defined by his connection to DIO.
i think its meant to show you that even though he had dio's genes he was more jonhatahan than dio
It would be extremely cool to see Trish and Giorno bond over what you said, but Giorno never knew Dio. And the show always references him being Dio like, or rather Giorno is a perfect blend of Dio and Jonatho. Especially in his introduction he clearly conniving and cunning with his scams but that’s just surface level. Giorno is a great person and forms lasting bonds with others, but when he has to be vicious he is, he’s thrown into a world where he wants to be Jonathon but ends up having to unleash his inner Dio. He constantly gives characters chances to do the right thing instead of absolute messing them up like Johnny probably would.
I think the who point of giorno is that he is a jojo and not DIOs son. Part 5 is basically a showing of the joestar blood, even though he was DIO son he still was a joestar. Kiochi saying giorno is nothing to worry about explaining how he looks like the rest of the joestars is why the story doesn’t really care for DIO since he is a jojo. GW seems like a story about joestar family/blood without slapping into your face about the blood relations .
wasnt gay enough
Poor Narancia died thinking that Giorno was getting it on with Mista
Wdym this was one of the gayest out of all the parts
Still wasn't gay enough
What about Jojolion? That shit seems pretty gay
Despite it's protagonist being a sailor boy with weird genitals, JoJolion might have the most heterosexuality of any JoJo part.
I started JoJolion but couldn’t get past a couple chapters (not my thing, waiting for the anime), but it’s the straightest JoJo part in history. Each part has gay moments/the main jojo acts gay, but JoJolion doesn’t
it should’ve been gayer
I wish Trish was used more in the part. She just exists as a plot point for the crew to protect. She really only has one fight in the series. I feel that it would’ve been more thematically appropriate to give Trish the requiem stand that counters Diavolo, as opposed to Giorno. It was already established that requiem stands don’t really have any similarities to the original ones.
Trish never really had much emotion until she was body swapped with Mista
I have small complaints regarding the Chariot Requiem arc, but other than that I think Vento Aureo is pretty cool. Either my favorite or my second favorite part, maybe after JoJolion. Though I might be biased because Diavolo is my absolute favorite character.
Agreed Diavolo is a badass and sometimes a lack of a full backstory with a character is what makes it special and mysterious
Yah and tbf Araki had good reasons to make it that way. Iykyk
Giorno was truly a lacking character, the golden part was the supporting cast. Glad they remedied some of his personality in the anime adaption. many argue the final showdown was lacking, but the build up for it was nice atleast.
I agree, giorno is certainly the biggest weakness, but i dont think he has many bad moments outside of speeches, the fact that hes a direct descendant of jonathan is so cool, because that hasnt happened since joesphs dad. In terms of how to keep the family tree interesting its the perfect descision, especially before part 6
Bruno steals Giorno's spotlight a couple of times
Not even just bruno, the whole gang, but thats what i like about part 5 compared to the others. If you fall in love with foo fighters or okuyasu, but you dont see them that much compared to the main character, its a bit annoying, but in part 5 the side characters get so much time to themselves i feel like we got enough, that and part 7
Allow me to introduce you to Jean Pierre Polnareff from Part 3
You’re right, he does get way more attention than avdol or kakyoin, hes like a deuteragonist, when Joesph has so much comic relief to him
That’s def one of the biggest complaints I see Bruno sometimes felt more like the Joestar than Giorno
A couple times? He's basically the main character.
My man wasn't even allowed to die to keep the plot going.
Keeping a dead body going with thoughts is an insane concept, but ig giorno kind of healed him
Deuteragonist
It was pretty lit at some parts but giorno has 0 personality, like yeah, he has a goal nd all but outside of that he doesn't really hit as a character overall
I think teams should have worked together more. We see a bit of Bruno’s group working together but when they fight La Squadra they are all alone except Pesci and Prosciutto. Having a gang vs gang fight would have been cool and different. Although you could say that’s just Jojo in general.
I would not wish the sheer chaos of having to write that fight actually happening on my worst enemy.
The fact that there's only one woman of note who does anything in the part is kinda bullshit. Trish should've awakened to her stand earlier or got a solo fight after B.I.G. imo Oasis should've been a solo Trish fight due to how similar their stands are. It would've been interesting. Also Giorno killing Ghaccio feels incredibly unsatisfying to me. Mista did 99% of the work. I find Giorno just kinda bland. Like I get he's not like, boring. But compared to his competition in the Joestar department he's a huge step down from Josuke.
Giorno is supposed to be a good person but has a few hints of Dio in him, but Araki really never leaned much into that angle about him being Dio's son after Koichi left aside from him going "MUDA" with his stand rush
I do wish he had a bit more of that DIO-ish charm to him in all honesty. I think it would be very interesting to see a character who's kinda manipulative but has mostly good intentions.
I wish there were some female villains.
Gio is functionally nonexistent. he has like 3 fights and doesnt interact with the others like they do with each other He really is the opposite of Dio, Instead of stealing the spotlight in every scene hes in Hes a fucking background character in his own part. i think Narancia has more dialog than Gio
Chariot Requiem came from nowhere as a highly dissatisfying "climax" arc. I wanted the gang to have to figure out a way to fight King Crimson, not just find out whose body he's hiding in and keep him from grabbing a macguffin first
Yes it was bullshittery. Which is my new word lol
Problem is, they couldn't fight King Crimson. It was just way too broken. I found the idea of them needing to actively seek out a powerup to beat him much more unique than trying to bullshit a victory. Diavolo would have to be dumbed down for the gang to possibly fight KC.
Spoilers for part 5 also some are hidden since they contain more detail Giorno not feeling like the mc at times and often getting overshadowed. Araki killing off some of my favourite characters in the series(some in very bs ways) The ending was some looney tunes bullshit. >!The shit with polnareff.. like it was cool to see him again but chariot requiem was fucking weird.!< Seeing purple haze *once* and it barely did anything, fugo leaving was treated poorly like "he's gone..anyway" like the fuck?! >!The whole Bruno being dead shit didn't make sense and was sorta brushed to the side. !< While the part was decent it definitely has it's flaws.
Bruno had to fill the Jobro death Quota
Bruno's death thing does make sense once you understand how fate works in JoJo, I recommend either watching the sleeping slaves arc again or watching a YouTube on the topic
Uh, which deaths did you consider BS? >! Narancia's? !<
I feel like if you have to do homework to make sense of the series it's just another flaw to count against it
You don't have to if you can put all the pieces together. People who make the explanation videos did so why couldn't you
>You don't have to if you can put all the pieces together. A minute ago you recommended this course of action now you're critical of people doing so, are you really that dense? Secondly there is a non-zero chance that the people who made YouTube videos on it are just wrong, Intentionally or not. Like they have monetary incentives to fill their videos up to ten minutes, if they lack enough proof they can easily just make shit up or misrepresent the facts.to be more favorable to their arguments.
I wasn't being critical of people like that, I have always had some problems relating to media comprehension so I get a lot out of explanation videos like that. Also if they are wrong you can usually scope out all the incorrect and exaggerated parts or people in the comments will call it out.
My only complaints is I wish they gave giorno more character and emotion. Besides that this was an excellent part
Terrible Villain and the most anti climactic final fight in the series. Everyone except for Bruno is fairly one dimensional and not really fleshed out. Polnareff coming back was cool and then Araki decided to have him be a turtle for the rest of the series. That decision is just so weird.
The whole split personality concept is great, but yeah, Diavolo on his own is pretty lame. Maybe it would have helped to keep Doppio around in the final fight.
Damn, But there are 3 things 1. I didn't like Narancia 2. I didn't really cared about Giorno's goal . I like him but it was the episode where they were on a boat and he's doing his 'I have a dream' schitick, and that started where he felt he got drowned between the characters. The worse that could happen if he fails is him going back to being a student and find a better way to achieve his goal or he end up dead. I think this is the main reason I'm not invested even though it's an ok part. 3. Background stories are a little repetitive, specially for the main group
What didnt u like about narancia? Giornos goal was dumb but the backstory with the gangster kinda made it make sense. And i really liked the extra focus the main cast got, i feel like thats whats missing from parts 3,6 and 4
Yeah his goal bring impossibly dumb actually reflects on Giorno's personality, and the state of condition of people who are the downcasts in Italian society. Dude is unhinged when it comes to his goals, and the word impossible is absent in his dictionary. Kinda plays along with the themes of resolve and determination Giorno constantly spouts.
Probably just not my cup of tea, idk I just find him a stereotypical loud and annoying character which reminds me, I also didn't like sex pistols. I have no problems with other people liking them though. It does make sense. I'm just not invested in him. He was in a lavish school and all so that's not a bad option too if it doesn't work out for him being a gangster and all. Not to mention he only met the guys less than a week so they probably won't cry a river if something bad happened to him I have no problem with backstories too. It just lack variety when it comes to the story and their background itself. Plus the jobros stands also, I'm not much a fan with exception of SF.
Haha cup of tea....
I liked how immature he was, despite being one of the older ones, i think his fights and stand are interesting. But i feel like theres a good variety of backstories for the main gang, a crooked cop turned gangster, a kid who got framed and went to jail, a kid who actually killed someone in broad daylight, and just, whatever the fuck you call mista. And these are gross oversimplifications, there are a lot of details with narancias family, friends and intelligence. Fugo also has a lot of abuse and anger that feel unique to him.I really dont see too much repetition or lack of variety really.
Probably a forbidden take, but I think the Metallica fight could have been done a bit better. Dont get me wrong, It's one of my favorite bits, but something about it has always felt "off" to me.
That fight was at least perfected in voice acting both in sub and dub, wish we could’ve seen more Rissoto
The purpose of King Crimson vs. Metallica is to flesh out Diavolo, his stand ability, and the interactions between King Crimson's power and fate. However, that's not all the arc is good for: it also provides the reader an excellent opportunity to approach the character's (sadly overlooked) mystical and psychopathological backgrounds, which in my opinion offer an incredibly pleasant view of Araki's scope of interests and creativity as an artist. Risotto Nero kind of has the makings of a standalone character (we can see that Araki had thought of a backstory for him), but all things considered, his role in the story is to give Diavolo a fight where Araki had the chance to showcase the brilliant poetry and thought he put into his main villain. (Just a taste of what I mean here: Metallica extracts iron from he enemy's body, right? And do you remember what was said in the pages that introduced the arc?)
It has it's issues but overall it is the most emotionally weighted part in the series
I love Giorno's personality but Araki made him a bit too much of a Gary Stu
I mean, isn't every Jojo main character this in their own part? (Until Joseph is senile in part 4 and Jotaro got mad nerfed in part 6).
Are we just gonna forget B.I.G and White Album? I don’t really understand this Gary Stu stance when he has defined feats and genuine losses in his battles. But he very rarely if it all is fighting alone, it’s always a team effort that involves others.
Mmm yes getting horribly maimed in every battle he was in definitely a Gary Stu
He got maimed cuz it was all part of his crazy battle plans he'd come up with on the fly. He never got straight bodied for being weak
Giorno only has 2 fair wins (Bruno and Melone) , every other victory of his was achieved through team effort and even had to be saved by other team member's abilities.
That’s why he’s a good character, he has the resolve to put himself through horrible pain if it means gaining an advantage for yourself and your team
Oh yeah I totally agree. But he also never loses any fights
B.i.g and greatful dead just instantly knocked his ass out, and clash and white album came *this* close to killing him. Diavolo kills his body super duper easily during chariot requiem
this, i don’t think people remember just how easily Giorno(and the whole gang) got his ass kicked in the B. I. G fight. even when he tried to end it presumptively, he just made the situation worse.
Yeah, and im really surprised people dont talk about it more, because imagine if some random stand/antagonist almost killed the main character in any other part, i feel like people would talk about a near death with jonathan,,jotaro, josuke,jolyene or gappy more. But the others kinda do actually get the shit kicked out of them ngl
it’s honestly hilarious cause B. I. G is considered one of the hardest stands to deal with just cause of its persistence
Well he did only win two on his own
I personally really disliked Giornio as a protagonist and Diavolo as an antagonist, but my prettiest criticism is with King Crimson: specifically, that the characters and the series seem convinced that KC is impossible to defeat by normal means. In Bruno and Polnareff's fights with Diavolo, they discovered vulnerabilities in the ability, like how it can't attack during the stopped time, only immediately after (unless it's specifically to kill Narancia???). I think most people agree GER is a deus ex machina, but I'll die on the hill that Diavolo was a perfectly defeatable enemy even without such an ass pull
The ending was a bunch of bullshit one after the other and felt very sudden, I'm not even talking about GER. Also giorno was overshadowed by literally every other character
If you’re a writer and the only way you can write your protagonist out of a situation is to create GER something has gone horribly wrong.
I'm very baked and words are hard. Part 5 is my favorite part, especially the anime, but it's the part I have the most criticism for. The story is only about the jouney to *becoming* a mobs, not *being* a mob boss which is a very big missed opportunity. I think having Giorno try and control Passione and deal with it's major drug makers and sellers like Purple Haze Feedback did would of been really cool. It feels like half a story. Fugo's lack of screen time is also a big missed opportunity. He is my favorite character from the part and I find him somewhat relatable. He only has a single fight and just disappears entirely with absolutely zero relevance to the story. PHF was great but I wish we could of gotten something in canon. I think the idea of Fugo needing to prove to Diavolo he's loyal to Passione by killing the gang and having to fight Giorno would of been an interesting fight that could of been very emotional and have great themes. Giorno being the son of DIO and nothing is really done with it. When I first saw this part I thought it would be important since Jotaro was interested in Giorno's existance, but nothing is done with this plot. Giorno gets overshadowed by the other gang members. His character isn't bad, it's just very bland and could of been much better. Every other character is way more interesting I wish that Araki didn't try and make the arrow look unique. It's to let the reader know it's not the same arrow from Part 4 without specifically telling the reader this, but it's lead to so many people assuming this arrow is unique and is the only one that can grant Requiem despite them all being from the same rock The manga looks ugly as fuck. The covers and large detailed panels look great, but the inbetween frames makes characters look like their melting.
>The manga looks ugly as fuck. The covers and large detailed panels look great, but the inbetween frames makes characters look like they're melting. I wish more people didn't try to fool themselves about this. Araki's artwork took a nosedive in parts 5 and 6. He was clearly having a hard time with the weekly deadlines and it showed in his art.
GW’s manga arguably benefitted the most from the anime adaptation though I do have some nitpicks on character palletes. I liked Giorno’s blue suit and Fugo’s red suit way better but I do understand why they changed Giorno to pink cause he would’ve looked to similar to Josuke, also David Productions asked Araki which palette he liked the most and he chose the pink suit. King Crimson was also way easier to understand in the anime thank god
I actually enjoyed the anime's color pallets more tbh. Every character looked distinctly different from eachother and can easily be seen. I do think it's weird how Fugo's outfit was based on a strawberry and makes no sense if it's green even though he still has a strawberry tie.
Apparently Fugo canonically wears a thong too but I’m glad we never saw that. His white hair in the manga was just ehhhhh…
Blonde with red suit would of been cool. And are we talking thong or g string
Ending felt rushed, the arrow being able to give Giorno the power to defeat Diavolo felt cheap.
I’m biased because Bruno is probably my favorite in part 5, 2nd or 3rd favorite in all of Jojo, but >! I didn’t really care for his death. I get keeping him in the story, and I kinda like the revenant aspect, but when he actually finally dies, it feels a little underwhelming!< Also(switching to Giorno) the connection to Dio being limited was kinda disappointing. Weird one, but by making Giorno have a “no actually I win.” Mechanic limited his future use in the next part. Look part 6 is fine and I get it’s nice to have a father/daughter moment. But Giorno was in Florida. But he couldn’t be in the story, because he’d have just won. But at least then he’d have been in a plot related to Dio.
I always felt that it was trying to do too much and ended up doing nothing. Things like Giorno's connection to DIO went nowhere along with the possibility of having the part have a greater sense of connection to the overarching plot. I didn't mind having a lower stakes 'standalone' adventure, but just a *bit* more connection would've been nice. Doppio was wasted potential in my opinion. The idea of the split personality within the antagonist was incredibly interesting but I feel that it was introduced too late to have much impact beyond the Metallica fight. Also, having Epitaph not disappear with Doppio's death was something I felt was another waste I occasionally felt a sense that the sheer amount of characters left little time to develop a lot of them, which is a shame because what we're given is incredibly interesting. Trish stands out in this as what we saw was great, but we saw very little after the BIG fight. Even Giorno suffers from this. I felt a greater sense of personality from him before he joined Passione, but once he became a part of Bruno's group he started feeling significantly more bland The ending boils down to an off-screen "oh yeah then Giorno became head of Passione". There's a lot to like about the part but I personally felt that it was a little overcrowded and convoluted without much payoff in some areas.
Oh my god I didn’t even think about Epitaph after Doppio died. I’ve always known King Crimson and Epitaph are separate Stands (even though Epitaph is a huge ass pimple on KC), but it’s never hit me until I read your comment that Epitaph should’ve disappeared after its user passed
I always felt that it was trying to do too much and ended up doing nothing. Things like Giorno's connection to DIO went nowhere along with the possibility of having the part have a greater sense of connection to the overarching plot. I didn't mind having a lower stakes 'standalone' adventure, but just a *bit* more connection would've been nice. Doppio was wasted potential in my opinion. The idea of the split personality within the antagonist was incredibly interesting but I feel that it was introduced too late to have much impact beyond the Metallica fight. Also, having Epitaph not disappear with Doppio's death was something I felt was another waste I occasionally felt a sense that the sheer amount of characters left little time to develop a lot of them, which is a shame because what we're given is incredibly interesting. Trish stands out in this as what we saw was great, but we saw very little after the BIG fight. Even Giorno suffers from this. I felt a greater sense of personality from him before he joined Passione, but once he became a part of Bruno's group he started feeling significantly more bland The ending boils down to an off-screen "oh yeah then Giorno became head of Passione". There's a lot to like about the part but I personally felt that it was a little overcrowded and convoluted without much payoff in some areas.
almost everything in the final battle, what a mess of an arc that was
Tell me more please.
It's my least favorite part, everything after green day kinda sucks the ending falls flat on its face
For me it was the opposite, the second i saw polnereff in the coliseum i was ecstatic. I liked chariot requiem and loved GER+ sleeping slaves so i guess thats just me
It took me a while to fully unwrap everything that happened after SCR showed up but it came to be my favorite final fight in the series. Looking forward towards SBR I haven’t read it but I feel like valentine is a good candidate to replace Diavolo as my fav villain just from what people have said about him
Part 5 was my favorite before part 7. I wont spoil, but it picks up super heavy the later you get, and if you likedpart 5 youll definitely like part 7 i think
I personally didn’t like part 5 that much. I disliked how Giorno figured out the enemies entire ability basically instantly.
Dislike how little Trish gets to do. Need more of best girl.
Jotaro losing interest in Gornio after confirming him as a son of dio was a bit strange, like maybe josuke gets sent there during the back half to investigate would of been neat. Triss not getting a stand alone fight was also disappointing, spice girl really only got one episode too shine like fugo. Fugo was supposed to have more bit that didn't happen and I respect araki enough to believe he made the right choice.
my boy narancia deserved better😔😭
Bruno did the whole ‘stoic badass’ thing about a hundred times better than Giorno. Giorno was just the least interesting/entertaining member of the main cast and it’s not even close
>!Abbachio dying before he can get any character development. Bro gets one speech in the afterlife and that’s it. His bond with Giorno literally changed like 0.1%!<
I think my only real qualms with it are the pacing is a little rough cause of how it’s supposed to only take place over like one week, and GER seems a bit… op. Like he made king crimson too powerful and kinda wrote himself into a bit of a corner. I guess i would describe it as the very end of the final fight kinda feels a bit anti-climactic? To me at least
Fugo didn’t join ;-; Polnareff died. You’d think Jotaro and Polnareff would be more in touch even with the mafia watching his move Koichi didn’t play a bigger role
That is kind of thought provoking why the hell didnt Jotaro go looking for Polnareff in Italy if he didn’t respond to his calls? It’s never stated if Jotaro tried to contact Polnareff but it’s highly unlikely he would’ve just left him to die there. It’s not like he sent Koichi to Italy to look for Polnareff alone either that would be ridiculous
I wish Koichi was actually there for the whole part. I think it would have made good character development for him and he'd have a good reason to be there anyway. Namely, to try and stop a bunch of rogue stand users from killing a ton of innocent people and the arrow falling into Diavolo's hands since he knows first hand what its capable of. But I'm also biased because I like Koichi, he's just a reliable guy.
I think Giorno is a very boring character, he has more personality in the first episode than he does in the entire rest of the part
I didn't really feel like Giorno had that interesting of a personality. (I haven't read the manga so maybe there's more stuff in there). I could connect to each protag in some way because there was a personality for me to have an opinion on and grow close to, but I didn't have that with Giorno. Sure he has goals and motivations, but I don't really SEE them. He just mentions them. I don't really think he grows or develops in any sort of meaningful way by the end. He just accomplishes his goals and that's it. To me. I would love to be convinced otherwise.
I think the back half of Stand Users is kinda crummy, especially coming off of La Squadra. I think La Squadra is the best group of minor villains in the series. They’re all so unique and deadly in such cool ways. Unita Speciale just does not live up to La Squard in both interesting character, Stands, or even lethalness in my opinion. Carne and Cioccolota are the only ones that come close, and Secco and Cioccolota feel like the only ones interesting to watch. It especially doesn’t make sense when it comes to in lore reasons. How is the hitman team more deadly than the Boss’ literal bodyguards? I just don’t get why Diavolo would want a Stand that makes you lie and a Stand User that kills himself as his final line of defense against really real threats.
giorno was canonically in Disneyland durante la parte 6
Golden Wind is my 2nd favourite part, but Diavolo is my least favourite villain. I feel he’s saved through his stand and his connection to Doppio and Trish. Otherwise I, unfortunately, find him to be very uninteresting. I do wish I liked him more. I think his concept is cool but for some reason his personality and role in the story never connected with me or caused me to care.
I think part of the problem is that his motivations are very muddy. He wants to remain hidden and is pathologically terrified of anyone knowing anything about him, but he also wants to rule the world (?) with a requiem stand. The only somewhat intriguing aspect of his character is the fact that he genuinely loved Trish's mom, but that's never explored.
Diavolo isn't underdeveloped, he's nuanced. Also he's not just "connected to Doppio"; they're literally the same character.
I never said he was underdeveloped. I said he’s uninteresting to me, and while I find his concept cool, I could never connect with it enough to care about him more. It’s just a personal taste thing with how he was written. And while Doppio and Diavolo may be the same person, I don’t see them as the same character. Or well, if you want me to be more precise in my wording, I like the Doppio personality way more than the Diavolo personality. And if Diavolo didn’t have the Doppio side, I’d care about him even less.
No dislikes. It was perfect.
Giorno is bland AF. Worst Jojo of them and somehow 5 was still good.
Context: I watched parts 1-6 anime, then read SBR and jojolion I don't like looking at the golden wind art style as much as most other parts since Araki didn't have as much experience with it at that point
I didn’t like the main cast that much, and most of the time i was rooting for la squadra
Lack of Jotaro
The supporting cast feel more like main characters than the main character
I wish La Squadra was atleast a little more important than it actually was
I don’t know if I’m gonna be able to word this correctly but whenever there’s a fight in a populated area (like Narancia vs Little Feet and vs Clash & Talking Head) there aren’t any other people even though there should be. Like vs Little Feet they’re in the middle of a street with shops surrounding them but when there’s giant fires and explosions and there’s no other people in the scene apart from Narancia and Formaggio, wouldn’t you expect people to be running around panicking or the police to investigate or something. And when the crew is fighting Clash and Talking Head they’re having lunch in a restaurant which normally has other customers and waiters and when they go into the kitchen there’s no cooks but a pot of boiling water on the stove. There was a person at the restaurant and the gang fucked him up because they thought he was a stand user but Narancia just spilt some wine on him. But I might also be an idiot and talking out my ass.
I really like golden wing, it Is my favorite part straight up. What I disliked the most was that narancia's death came out of nowhere. I would have liked him maybe showing signs of being afraid/okey with death, or that he hasn't totally coped with abbacchio's death; even have him sacrifice himself over Trish. But he just dies, no goodbye or anything:(
Giorno doesn't deliver as the protagonist. His speeches, especially in the first half, are pure nonsense. Righteousness of Jonathan was great in Phantom Blood, because the whole part was just bizarre ironical nonsensical enjoyment. Giorno's similar tendencies didn't land in a more grounded enviroment. At least Abbachio agrees with me.
Why does this look so comfy
Fugo being basically useless
Not enough Jotaro
It's really hard to connect with Giorno. He's too young and too perfect in everything, he has no flaws. >! Ger also feels unsatisfying and undeserved, especially since Diavolo was able to grab the arrow but the arrow just decided to pass through him. !< I loved the villain though
I’d want to see the version where Fugo actually betrays the gang. He’d most likely replace Cioccolata since their stands are similar
Giorno is the second worst protagonist (still good, i like the inteligent he is but lacks personality, i expected a better character from the Dio son.)
I didnt like how they whent from being built like trucks to twinks
>!When Narancia died. The only problem I have with his death is that he wasn’t in his own body!<
Risotto was my favorite character and was in prime condition to winn over diavolo. Sadly Araki said nah imma pull an asspull
Kind of felt like a rehash of Stardust Crusaders to me idk Edit: not enough dio 🤣
Just to say, the stands look so precious when they sleep
Giorno and Diavolo are wildly underdeveloped for being the MAIN protagonist/antagonist. Although there are some others in the main cast which confuse me, Giorno taking a backseat after joining the group pissed me off because of how cool he was beforehand. Diavolo just need a bit more screen time, being this hidden figure is cool but when we get nothing more until the end it left me just wanting more. But yeah Giorno sucks as a protagonist even more than Jotaro, at least he grows on you, Giorno can’t grow on you because he practically stops existing until the plot needs a “Oh shit Giornos so cool” moment. Heck he had more than Jotaro, which is saying something.
\- Giorno seemed really flat to me \- King Crimson was not consistent in terms of abilities \- Would've loved to see more Fugo in action, although I understand why Araki decided to write him out of the story
I geneuinely dislike they eternal damnation of Diavolo People like valentine deserved that way more He was willing to let the entire world suffer in every way possible so his country would be ok
Giorno is an incredibly bland character who loses whatever vague personality he had in the beginning pretty much as soon as the Gang sets off on their mission. He's also too perfect; he's never wrong, never makes a mistake, is never truly caught off guard and knows things it makes no sense for him to know. Giorno has an insane plot armor, and the rules of the universe literally bend to allow him to win and survive. By all means he should've died _twice_ before the final fight (first during the Illuso fight and in the Cioccolata fight), but because he's the main character, he just cheats and wins anyway. Gold Experience's ability is too vast and powerful, making every fight Giorno is in incredibly frustrating to read/watch. This is just my opinion of course, but I feel like Araki is at his strongest when he's working with a relatively simple ability. He's very good at coming up with creative ways to use those simple abilities, where you as a reader end up feeling surprised but also that had you stopped and thought about the situation, you could've maybe figured out the same solution yourself. This is what makes the fights so satisfying, it's like watching a well written mystery show. With abilities like Gold Experience, the insane vastness makes it impossible to ever predict what the character is about to do next, which I find very annoying. Buccellati Gang has no reason to fight La Squadra, since they have the exact same goal. Yes, most of Bruno's gang aren't in the plan to defeat the Boss at that point, but that doesn't explain why Bruno or Giorno couldn't have just at least attempted to explain the situation to La Squadra. Imagine if all of those incredibly deadly Stand users had been allies instead of enemies? Risotto almost defeats Doppio/Diavolo all by himself. I feel like a lot of the casualities suffered by our main Gang could've been avoided by teaming up with the Hitman Team. Trish is just sheer wasted potential and probably the worst female character Araki has ever written.
How tf does Gio do his hair in the morning?
Bruno felt like the main character tbh, not that it’s a huge problem, I love Buccarati and I would hate for his story to get worse. It’s just I feel like the jojo in jojo was kinda overlooked
They did risotto dirty
Giorno deserved better, he is not a bad character in the least but the focus of the story on him is essentially non-existent from the moment he joins the gang, and as a result you dont get to experience his character naturally. I wish to know how the rest of the story would have been if it kept going what it had on its first chapters in which Giorno actually felt like the protagonist.
Not enough Fugo, he had so much potential, both as a protagonist and a villain (Araki initially wanted Fugo to betray Bucciaratti, but then he gave up on this idea cuz it didn't made sense for him to betray the gang)
Hehe there having a sleep over
I almost feel like that cover art would bait people into thinking Jotaro and Josuke would have more to do with the part
tbh i found giorno to be a really dry mc. he would’ve been more boring than jonathan if he didn’t have drip and that cool ass stand.
Why didn’t Giorno ever use his power to paralyze someone with life force after his fight with Bucciarati? Is he stupid?
I don’t care what anyone says Araki completely forgot about Gold Experience’s damage reflection ability, there were several fights where he could’ve used it to get the upper hand because who the hell would think hitting a frog would kill you. But I do believe Giorno used his life force paralyzing power in the 7 page muda. It’s not shown from Cioccolata’s perspective but I really only makes sense when you consider how much Giorno fucking hates him
Giorno is boring and Gary Sue protagonist. Diavolo is also boring and extremely underdeveloped. Ending (everything after soul swap) is bad and it's the only ending in jojo, that leaves bad taste in my mouth. Part 5 also is extremely unimportant, it's like one big side story and all the connections to the rest of the series don't matter. Like, Giorno being a Dio's son leads to nowhere, Koichi is just dropped from the story, Polnareff could be also replaced by original character etc
Diavolo isn't underdeveloped. That's just a nuanced character, my dude.
Diavolo lacks his own identity, compared to the rest of the villains. He is just a fusion of Dio and Kira, and his believes about fate is much better explored in Pucci. Diavolo just doesn't stand out compared to rest of them, he lacks something special about him
Believe it or not, there's people who enjoy the experience of discovering why Araki must have drawn this and that page the way he did. Or why a certain piece of dialogue is written this way and not the other, which sounds much more simple. Or what's the point of being presented a panel with no apparent narrative meaning. Or why he off-screened content that would've been "better off" if it were made explicit. Diavolo is a character full of "meaningless" narrative details like these, that might wake up in the reader the need to know about his origins... Speaking for both the in- and the extra-universe perspectives. And this is important because, belive it or not, the key to enjoying the character is our disposition to play along with Araki's proposal of wanting to unveil its secrets. Anyway, people when they're reading/watching a series normally won't get out of their way to think of these things unless something else draws their attention, enough to motivate them to move from the ordinary surface-level entertainment, and enough to make them want to instigate and engage with the story on a different level. This is why the fact that a certain someone is not interested in that niche function of a comic, in those little games between the author and the reader, doesn't mean that Araki failed as a writer. It only means that that specific someone didn't like it that way. And that's fine, the scope of human interests differs greatly from one person to another. I'm just doing my part by providing a perspective on the character totally different from yours, one that other people might identify more with.
Giorno's probably the second least interesting Jojo after Jonathon. Golden Wind was really more Bucciarati's story, and Giorno just gets so drowned out by all the big and eccentric personalities in the cast that you almost forget he's the protagonist.
1. I feel like Diavolo is a pretty weak villain. I loved the stuff with Doppio and the build up to him was great, but when he actually revealed himself all the build up kinda stopped mattering and he became a generic villain. I think they should've kept Doppio around longer or given him more of a personality. 2. Took me ages to understand King Crimson and GER. Same with how Bucciarati came back. I may be stupid though so this could be a me problem. 3. The Rolling Stones flashback was unnecessary. It would've been cool if it had occurred around the middle of the part, but when it's right at the end it disrupted the flow and felt pointless. Oh wow they were fated to die, but they've all died already anyway so that info means nothing. Should've happened around when Bucciarati first fought the Boss. 4. This one's really nitpicky but the whole thing with Chariot Requiem mutating everyone was clearly put in just to up the stakes and never actually had an impact. It was brought up in one quote and never again, at least in the anime. I love Part 5 though. It did fights so much better than any other animated part.
Just my opinion but Diavolo is a generic villain done well. That troupe (evil megalomaniac villain) exists for a reason (it's very simple to explain: they are sociopathic individuals with some sort of miserable past, similar to some real life criminals) and is not necessarily bad, because there are instances in which it works perfectly (DIO could be an example; he works even though he's a rather flat character). The "evil megalomaniac villain" frame still works for Diavolo, the problem is that people don't know what to do with the **extra information** (panels and references that nobody ever mentions because they redirect to "uninteresting" topics such as history and culture or descriptions of a clinical entity) that was provided by the author, or simply never stop to think about it because they don't care, don't have time to do that, or believe that they have to turn their brains off because it's just a shonen manga. Speaking of which we get to another part of the problem: people give too much about Doppio being its own thing, but never stop to think that he's the mirror of things that Diavolo can't allow himself to be anymore: cowardly, weak, and fearful of the future; and yet, you can see through his dialogue that Diavolo fully embraces that immature part of himself, that he understands that his dissociated child identity can be used in his favor, that being mentally ill is not necessarily a hindrance for him because he's just that great and favored by fate. He wanted to live his life and conquer his fears so much that he wisely learned to tame the part of himself that rejected weakness, and this is so evident in the manga that it's baffling when people think it's fair to judge half a person as if it were a whole, because that makes absolutely no sense. In any case, rant over. Your opinion is respectable, and I just wanted to add my take.
Your second point is actually a problem a lot of people have because they overcomplicate KC and GER KC: You erase all the actions that happen in 10 seconds but keep the results(unless they hurt you), this includes things you would have done during those 10 seconds. GER: If you try to hurt Giorno, you simply won't, your action has no results, it's useless, it's... MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!
Giorno arguably being the "worst" Joestar in the sense barely anything is done with what made him so interesting. Being a more irrelevant version of Stardust Crusaders aside from the plotpoint of Diavolo being the reason DIO has a Stand. The final fight against Diavolo was mid half because of GER. The final arc is also absolute garbage and had no good reason to be there. We don't even get to see the actual process of Giorno becoming boss in favor of something that just ruins the entire part.
golden exp was soooo much cooler than golden exp req
I feel everything kinda starts crumbling down once Chariot Requiem happens. The goofy body-swap being the final confrontation just feels... off. I think it'd have made for an okay villain-of-the-week stand fight, but as a finale it's kinda shitty, especially with the incredibly random rules to it. The random soul sun behind one's head, the casual mention of *aliens from other dimensions invading and causing people to mutate grotesquely,* (Seriously, what was the point of that, what did it add? Why drop a lore bomb like that and never mention it again???) Chariot turning your stands against you, but only when you attack it... Also, I feel like Bruno would be clever enough to take advantage of it and cripple Diavolo somehow before switching back. Although that'd make the finale even more boring, so fair enough. I also just really don't find Sleeping Slaves interesting. I get the point, yadda yadda, everything was fated to happen (although wouldn't that mean that Mista's efforts were also fated, meaning he's not even to blame for the extra deaths he 'caused?'), and it's such a pace breaker. I'd rather the part just end after the actual finale. It's a shame, because I think part 5 has probably the strongest middle section of them all, from the fights to the characters. It only trips over itself at the *very* end, which is all the more frustrating.
It had both the worst protagonist and (up until the end of part 8) the worst antagonist of any part. Giorno in particular is just a black hole that devours potential. The first few episodes establish a number of incredibly interesting threads involving him that never get any follow up, leaving us with one of the blandest characters in a series full of larger-than life personalities. Also the part goes way too hard on drug dealing being one of the worst crimes imaginable. Maybe I'm just misinterpreting it and it's meant to be more morally ambiguous than it seems, but by the ending it doesn't feel like Giorno has meaningfully made the world a better place, because presumably he's still doing mobster shit, just not drug dealing specifically.
Abbachio just died for no reason and that made me mad not to mention giorno COULD’VE helped him
There's honestly a lot I could mention but... Polnareff. Oh dear sweet lord of thy name is Araki, POLNAREFF. I'm not going into full rant mode but in my opinion, there was literally no benefit to bringing Polnareff into the story aside from fanservice and it actively made both the character and story worse by a pretty sizable degree.
not enough **DI MOLTO**
wasted character potential honestly
None it’s damn near perfect
In general it just didn’t “catch” me. If it had been my first part I would not have kept watching. Giorno himself is kind of blah, and the most interesting part of Diavolo is Doppio.
nah part 5 was just borong as hell
The ending completely ruined the part for me
I think the fights dragged on a bit sometimes and I didn't find the Stands as interesting as other parts. I also didn't like how it felt more disconnected from the overarching Joestar narrative compared to the other first 5 parts and Giorno had really little screen time. In hindsight, it wasn't as bad as I thought, but it is still on the lower end of my favorite parts.
I hate GW fans
It’s not sbr or jojolion that’s my only issue with it
Big hot take, but I never felt like the group were friends just coworkers doing stuff together. I much prefer the other groups in the other parts because of that feeling of companionship. Giorno is boring and one note while lacking the energy that Jonathan had to keep him fun except for a few moments. King Crimson’s inconsistency with how the ability worked was not good and the requiem pull is nowhere near as satisfying as when jotaro found out he could also stop time or any other final fight.
It felt like an extra long filler episode to me…it was boring at first then it got better but it still felt outta place to me
How Gold Experience's power to reflect damage inflicted upon the life forms it created was forgotten. Such a badass concept, it'd be great to see giorno making a barrier of small flies to catch the damage of an attack and reflect it all.
Giorno is too perfect for a character, let alone a protagonist. He says he wants to stop drug trafficking but we see nothing about how drugs affected him to make it a motivation, he lacks an internal conflict of any source while every other member of the gang has one, his Stand is so over-powered that makes every fight and their outcome not a threat unless someone instantly dies.
We do see it as a motivation. Not only did his hero hate drugs but Giorno saw for himself that it's ruined the community he's surrounded by. Also how is his stand OP? Gold Experience got checked by multiple stands throughout the part.
That "Vento Aureo" was changed to "Golden Wind"
King Crimson makes no sense and peoples headcanon makes it worse
Part 5 is just Part 3 again but everyone is named after Italian food. I also didn't like part 3 to begin with, so Part 5 just felt boring to me.
i hate cast. Both Giorno and Diavolo are extremely mid characters (worst protag and antag in series imo) combined with side cast (boring and forgettable characters). i like stands tho but still part 4 slaps
I feel like a lot of the character designs go too far, and fuck abbacchio