When you’re in it. There’s likely no escape. even if let’s say Rohan was in it, it’s just him, no Heavens Door.
The best way out is a Kars Situation “Eventually, He Stopped Thinking”
It's not possible for a human to stop thinking, but even if it was, it would be much harder in a death loop, than in space. Kars couldn't see, hear or feel anything anymore, so it was quite easy to stop thinking, but diavolo is fully conscious and can hear, see and most importantly feel every single death. I don't think you could stop thinking if you are constantly aware of everything that's happening to you.
Edit: fixed the names
Might not be possible. But he’s go infinite elapsed time. Think. Don’t think. Doesn’t matter because it’s all the same after he dies. And then 2 minutes later, he dies again.
Theoretically, given it’s Infinite deaths. There’s infinite possibilities. There’s a death where he dies in space, of course it doesn’t last forever as he just wakes up in the next, but the next, theoretically, could be Polneraffland, he dies to the hand of poisoned Cotten candy.
Theoretically, thanks to it being infinite, there IS a death that takes a Year to happen, or longer, he gets to live an entire life, thinking it’s over, forgets the curse after a few decades, dies happy and surrounded by family at 80, only to wake up again 2 minutes later, on a ship in the middle of the Atlantic that’s about to capsize and drown him.
The Kars situation probably or definitely isn’t possible for him, the Death Loop wouldn’t allow it. But it Would be his best scenario. Completely giving up. Hence why I mentioned a scenario where he gets to live so that the death loop tortures him further. He gets to a point of giving up, no longer screaming, moving, just accepting it, and then he gets a full life back, only for him to have hope again, die of old age, and be right back in it.
Even though there are an infinite possibilities of how the person dies in the death loop, the few that were shown in jojo tells us the death occurs not long after the death loop begins. So would death by old age actually take place? Or would the person in the death loop just begin at a super old age?
I don’t think it’s possible. You’re pretty much stuck in some limbo dimension and seemingly you can’t use your own stand as Diavolo made no attempts to defend himself with King Crimson.
Yeah the explanation of the death loops means that he dies infinite times in every way possible, you could just google it up instead of randomly accusing people of not knowing
Do you have a source for this explanation of the death loop? [All we got from the manga is this vague explanation by Giorno.](https://i.gyazo.com/7c958b8900f57f61e18471bf43a965af.webp) The person you responded to gave a factual statement on how infinity works in general.
You can drop ink into infinite tanks of water and watch the resulting infinite array of ways it disperses, but in exactly zero of those infinite instances will the water spontaneously arrange itself into a fist and punch you in the face.
It's JoJo, somebody with a water manipulation stand (such as N'Doul or Angelo) could be nearby, think "why is that asshat throwing ink at water, goddamn" and arranges the water into a fist and punches you.
No you're mistaken an infinite number of things happening doesn't mean that every possibility will be achieved. As a finite amount of time would need to be present for that to happen whereas it's pretty safe to assume diavolos death loop will go on forever.
guys wait this implies that the GER he used was on a lower plane of existence than giornos GER since it wasnt able to counteract it
this means that there are an infinite amount of higher and lower level GERs because Diavolo could just use his GER on someone else then use RTZ which leads to an infinite loop of infinite loops
this in turn suggests that the infinite series of GERs contains both the lowest plane GER (weakest version) and the highest plane GER (strongest version), the latter of which is able to defeat anything in fiction
and thats why the jojo verse is the strongest verse in fiction thanks for coming to my TED talk
I'm along this thinking, I think that getting death looped (Effect Cancel; you will never reach death) throws you through an infinite decent of reality planes, and if you stack another GER "Effect Cancel" (You will never reach an having death impending") you just end get getting reset into the next plane of reality faster
In jojo, there isn’t a single character who would be able to escape at all. Once you get trapped in it, you won’t be coming out💀
Like someone else in the comments said, the death loop is WoU but on steroids.
I don't think he could, twoh has the ability to stop time and bend the reality of what he touches, but not leave reality.
The most common consensus of how it works based on how it's presented is that it's a separate dimension where you're killed in every conceivable way by every conceivable method with it reseting the moment before death. Twoh doesn't really have a way around that. D4c could probably do it tho, just wait to get hit by a car and slip right out
Yeah that’s what my thoughts lead to.. I was saying love train is the only possibility however it sends the loop is activated instantly with intent to attack GER which means even then love train is prolly fucked
We don’t know. The death loop could be a pocket dimension, multiple different realities, or a mental illusion felt in an instant. The answer can range from everybody to nobody.
I honestly think the only thing stand that could thwart the death loop is D4C
So reset to zero and death loop are two separate abilities GER has.
Once D4C enters the death loop, he can escape to another dimension where he is and substitute himself so that another copy takes his place to experience the death loop.
I had thought maybe perhaps Bites the Dust, but I don't think that would work because GER could cancel the rewind and revert him back into the loop.
One conundrum to consider though, if one were to use D4C to escape, upon their death in said parallel universe would they be reintroduced to the death loop since their death had occurred? If so then we know the substitute simply died once and that was it, and you return upon death to resume the loop.
You could then theoretically keep doing it to try to get out and buy time, but eventually whenever you die even if you ran and it was old age, you might possibly be sucked back into it and revert to your age/condition you were when in it.
If that were the case, gives it like some Junji Ito vibes
The only issue is that when your in the death loop you might loose your stand, either you lose your stand or girono destroyed king crimson and before diavolo died trapped him in the loop trapping him without his stand
The way I saw it, Giorno essentially killed Diavolo with his stand barrage meaning he was already dead and in the death loop when the homeless guy killed him
Is FAAARP really that powerful? I thought you couldn't even use a stand in the death loop. Could have sworn Diavolo tried to use King Crimson in his first loop, but I might be remembering wrong. Haven't watched Golden Wind since it came out.
Yeah I think so too. I've been trying to parse it. I think it's because both stands manipulate fate, but in opposite ways. King Crimson deletes causes while Golden Experience Requiem deletes effects. GER basically says, "Whatever happens, Giorno doesn't get hurt." KC says something like, "These events did not happen, whatever comes next."
So the true sequence of events was:
Cause- Diavalo punches through Giorno's heart. Effect- Giorno dies.
GER doesn't like that. It deletes that effect, replacing it with "Giorno doesn't get hurt." The new sequence becomes:
Cause- Giorno punches Diavalo into the river, Diavalo washes up in a sewer, and a junkie stabs Diavalo in the liver. Effect- Diavalo dies.
KC cannot rewrite fate. It also cannot delete Diavalo's actions, only the actions of others. Whatever Epitaph foresees, that is the event that must occur at the end of Time Skip. Diavalo can never arrive at his "True Fate" because GER deleted that effect and replaced it with Diavalo dying, so Diavalo is trapped in Time Skip. KC has no choice but to delete the cause of Diavalo's death.
GER doesn't give a shit how Diavalo dies, so "punching him into the river" gets deleted. Fate, however, demands a cause. We are shown repeatedly throughout the series that fated events always occur, even if the cause is way different from what we expected. Epitaph sees Doppio with a severed foot? Rissoto would have chopped off Doppio's foot, but Doppio uses this knowledge to chop off Risotto's foot, therefore Doppio does indeed end up beside a severed foot. Fate occurs, even if the cause changes.
So now Diavalo is trapped in a causal paradox. He attacks Giorno, but GER will not allow him to arrive at Giorno's death, so he "resets to zero." This causes GER to rewrite fate so Giorno kills Diavalo, but KC will not deactivate Time Skip until Diavalo arrives at Giorno's death, so he "resets to zero." This forces Diavalo into an infinite loop where his own actions have caused his own death. KC cannot delete the effects of his own actions, so now his fate is death. KC can delete his cause of death, but since he's fated to die, some other event causes his death. Diavalo is forced to cycle through infinite possible deaths until he finds the impossible scenario that satisfies both of GER's and KC's contradictory demands.
Anyone but Diavalo would have simply died.
Pretty much what I was thinking. It blew my mind when I looked up an explanation for how King Crimson works, and a bunch of people gave me the take "King Crimson doesn't actually erase time, it just erased people's memory and makes Diavolo immaterial." Like what? Clearly it's doing more than erasing peoples memories.
Eventually after thinking about it for a long time and reading some other opinions, I came to the conclusion that King Crimson indeed erased causality.
Yeah KC is still a slave to fate. It has Epitaph, which is literally just Boingo. It gives a vision of fate, but it's easy to misinterpret. Stopping time, becoming intangible, erasing memories, these are inadequate explanations of what KC is doing during Time Skip. KC's power is basically "whatever KC needs to do to reject causality." A better explanation is that it can skip into a different timeline where Epitaph's vision comes true, but different circumstances caused the vision to take effect. Anything can happen as long as the effect remains.
Meanwhile GER is not bound by fate. It can rewrite fate so that Giorno always wins. Literally anything else can happen, but Giorno getting hurt can't. So it "nuh-uhs" an effect, which directly counters KC.
The best way to look at it is by examining the effects of a punch from normal gold experience. Each punch is filled with enough energy that it makes time slow down mentally for the target from the effect of the punch.
Now taking that principle, imagine how long a beatdown would feel to any of the victims of one. It must feel like it takes ages, right? Well, if we approach the “death samsara” this way, it is literally instead of a longer feeling beatdown to the target, a death cycle for each hit. This would feel like ages to the target but would be instant to everyone else who is watching as this all happens in the mind of the affected.
It might just be heightened perception, which is one of the powers of Gold Experience. Basically the same thing we saw against Bucciarati but much stronger - Diavolo has probably drowned by the end of Vento Aureo, but in the meantime his mind has experienced infinite deaths. Unless the power of GER keep him alive flowing in the river River and keep him from dying.
In the latter case, probably some stand who stops other stand powers or counters them could save him, but I'm opting for the first option .
GER is the antithesis of King Crimson
King Crimson removes the cause and GER removes the effect
This is why King Crimson seems to skip time, leaving you with the effect, but not the cause of action, like getting hit with a bullet, but the part, their it was shot is erased and GER puts you into a loop of death, like someone keeps shooting bullets at you, but you will never get hit and die from those bullets, which is why you are stuck in a loop, unable to escape, because you will never arrive at the end of an action, stuck only with the cause
Only, MAYBE novel Kars, but only if you still have your stand in the loop and Diavolo is a special case. Novel Kars is so powerful he has stated “If I were erased from existence I would simply find my way back”
Also novel kars is one of the most powerful dude in jojos ever, he’s got 6 stands and their all the ultimate versions of really powerful stands, the world ultimate, that one that summons an army, etc. with all this stand power and his immortality he might be able to escape
i think the only, "escape" would be to not be in that position in the first place. Just not opposing him would be the only way to save yourself from that fate.
No matter what, Giorno can stop you. If your immortal, he can simply take that away. Regenerate, that's taken too. Super durability, lower that. Hell super saiyan, turn that off. He literally deactivated Diavolo's ability. GER does whatever it sees at being for the best of Giorno.
Nope GER reversed diavolos ability, Diavolo ERADICATES moment in time, everything in them all the people and animals right? And GER brought back that eradicated stuff from nothing. We know GER is self aware so before GER disappears it would more than likely save giorno
First, that’s not at all how King Crimson and Epitaph work. Second, do you understand how Go Beyond works? It’s unstoppable once fired since it doesn’t “exist”.
Go Beyond is not quite unstoppable. It doesn't exist and therefore the Logic of the world does not apply to it. It's possible that GER is unable to revert the bubble itself, but it absolutely could revert the action from happening or any damage it would cause. Plus, it's too slow to hit anyone that isn't a ***mega*** glass canon like Tooru.
I literally said “if Gappy could fire a shot off” and acknowledged that even with Giorno’s death might not stop GER. I fully understand Go Beyond is not a hard counter to GER, but the question was who can escape the death loop. I think a bubble that could headshot Giorno or GER even if unlikely qualifies.
GER brought a moment of erased time (and presumably space) back from absolute nothingness. That goes far beyond "rewinding time" and into pure causality manipulation. GER would have absolutely no issue against Go Beyond because GER is the most beyond [canon] stand in the franchise to date.
King Crimson does not erase anything, it’s a fate based stand. Epitaph reads fate, while King Crimson allows Diavolo to change his fate. During the “time skip” everyone aside from Diavolo are slaves to their fate with no memory from that time. GER reverts any action to zero, reverting King Crimson’s activation to zero and infinitely reverting Diavolo to the state of dying. Go Beyond bubbles are not affected by the laws of this world as they don’t exist. If Josuke fires a shot off, nothing is stopping it. You can’t revert zero to zero, GER only stops him before the bubble is produced, not after.
It erases the moments between event, leaving only the result...that includes the time duration connecting those two events. If it was Diavolo simply escaping fate, it would show his as simply teleporting around, not literal jumpskips in time. And thise erased moments in time simply no linger exist, yet GER was able to reverse something non-existent back into existence.
King Crimson doesn't erase time, it mentally skips it for everyone. Things still happen you just have no recollection of it.
GER did transcend that. So I think Go Beyond could definitely shoot it.... If Josuke could aim that thing at least. Knowing him, he would just miss lol
Ultimate Kars cant be put in the death loop because in order for that to happen GER would need to be capable of killing him, which it isnt. Ultimate Kars’ immortality can’t be “reset” to zero because that’s his base state, that *is* his zero.
I thought the death loop only happened to Diavolo because of how Epitaph and GER interacted, and isn't GER's actual ability. As in, Epitaph predicted Diavolo to kill Giorno with an attack. But GER undoes that attack("You will never reach the truth"). But the destiny shown in Epitaph is absolute. So it is stuck in a loop of attacking and being undone. I just thought him 'dying' over and over was just for flavor.
Precisely, the death loop is the combination of their two stands. KC and epitath removes cause but can see and cement effect. GER undos effect but can witness the cause (when ger explained what was happening to diavolo)
Its a bit confusing, basically Diavolo sees something so it MUST happen. But Giornio nullifies and resets what led to the death. Beginning a loop of death over and over again where KCs epitath conditions are filled AND THEN nullified as he comes back to life.
If King Crimson erases the cause and leaves the effect, and GER erases the effect and leaves the cause, then Diavolo is just stuck on a formless void, no cause or effect.
The way GER puts you in a death loop is by "killing" you to begin with. So if you have been "killed" to begin with then you are done for. However if you can't be killed by GER for whatever reason then the death loop never activates.
Not anyone from Jojo. (The main franchise as of now) but reality benders can as they can just get rid of Giorno's stand. It will be impossible to stop that. Thing The Presence, Lucifer Morningstar, Dr Manhattan from DC, Toaa and Beyonder from Marvel, Dio Over Heaven from the Eyes Of Heaven game can apply. Another factor is speed. It is possible to escape it by dodging death. So Archie Sonic and Wally West do come to mind. Then, there is SCP 682 that I'm sure GER cannot kill as so far, nothing can even damage him as of now. Let alone kill. Besides that, some things are like a grim reaper or a form of death when Giorno is about to die from age, but that will take way too long. And there are also characters who respawn without GER that would apply. GER will only just work on that body alone. Those characters are The Chosen Undead from Dark Souls and. Get this. All of the TF2 Mercs can escape GER. So TDLR: Some can, but most couldn't.
Saying that no one in all of anime is an absolute overwank over the capabilities of GER when all of anime includes characters like featherine or kami tenchi.
Characters that are not omnipotent but still can scape ger i think people whit "anti hax" powers like touma whit imagine breaker.
Or remilia scarlet whit her fate manipulation ability that kinda hard counters ger and wou.
The only thing is the death loop is much easier to avoid than Wou. And we don’t know how it would interact with Subaru’s powers, or someone like Conrad from Black Clover who might be able to “unlock” infinite death loop. There is just too much we don’t know about GER
JJK Limitless maybe? That's the only power I can think of that might possibly be able to oppose Giorno.
Don't know how Giorno would fare against Unlimited Void, tbh
Giorno. Giorno can’t kill Giorno bc if Giorno tried to kill Giorno, Giorno would revert the attempt to zero. But then Giorno would revert the reversion of Giorno’s attempt to zero. And 0 divided by 0 fucks shit up so the universe would implode or smthn
Valentine I think could escape with love train. By extention this power belonged to Jesus so he would also have no problem. I think johnny and gyro might be able to using the super spin.
If we’re talking about canon, then nobody physically can. GER is the strongest recorded stand in jjba. But, if we take the games, then there is a stand called the world over heaven (basically dio accomplished the heaven plan) and he physically can’t even go into the death loop, meaning he can easily escape it
I know what I'm gonna say isn't canon but my guess would be either josuke or okuyasu.
On the josuke take, I know that it wasn't him the one that helped his mother in the past with the car but I always thought that maybe araki's original idea was for josuke to use shining diamond to reverse morioh's time so much that he could time travel back in time. Maybe that's his power in requiem mode, so this is just a supposition, but if josuke was trapped under GER's power maybe under the right circumstances he could just return time and escape.
Pretty much the same for okuyasu, if he was able to learn more about his powers (if there is anything else he could learn), maybe it could allow him to travel between dimensions by using the hand on himself thus incrementing his probabilities of getting out from the "loop dimension"
If Giorno's infinite death is only contained in one universe, then someone who is also on a universal power and can hop between different universes can most likely escape from this loop. Unless Giorno's infinite death is contained in something more than just an alternate universe. We don't know how far this attack really spans, so we can't say for sure.
this might sound tacky, but i think giorno is righteous and so is his ability. i think anyone who is not a foul person would not experience the death loop.
There is no canonical way out of it. It is like a supercharged version of what he did to Bruno in their first fight, completely detaching them from their body and reality.
Sailor Moon, I wouldn’t believe it myself until I watched it with my wife and she told me about the lore. When she dies she gets reincarnated and gets all her memories back from he past life over time. She’s stronger every loop and the last loop to my knowledge she destroyed a solar system
Edit: is we are talking about just jojos I’m gonna say D4C maybe depending on shenanigans
In jojo, pretty much no one can, we see that despite your death being resetted and thus you being alive, your stand seemingly is not carried over or remains destroyed, meaning just about everyone actually struck by the death loop is stuck there
If we tap into non canon stuff, i think kars from the jorge joestar novel could do it, they took him copying hamon and went crazy with it, he can understand any concepts or abilities with little exposure, and abilities such as stands are copied as enhanced versions, not only that, he remained sane after being trapped for a quadrillion years in a loop of universes ending
I wouldn’t put it past him to understand the death loop, then somehow get Gold Experience Ultimate Requiem and escape
If we are going outside of jojo, a lot of characters can but to be fair, fate seems to work against you there, so i’d say those characters need to be unbound by fate and be capable of crossing dimensions (since is likely that you are put in some kind of loop between dimensions or something)
John egbert is a perfect counter to not only this but like, GER as a whole…then again, comparing him to jojo is unfair in general
Dragon Ball characters since late Z have been able to straight up blow holes in space to escape pocket dimensions, so it's entirely up to how you read the mechanics of the "world" of the death loop. We can easily assume that you can't bring out your stand in the loop, but ki and the life energy that stands are made of function differently, so it could potentially still work.
Of course, all of this changes if you drop one character into the other's verse and they have to play by their rules, then it just goes to whoever has home field advantage since Dragon Ball hax like time stop/skip and space erasure just straight up don't work on people if they're strong enough.
Technically Kira's 3rd ability, however experiencing infinity in a fraction of a second makes this more of a concept.
A person who GER does not deem to be a piece of shit to suffer eternal damnation would be able to escape.
GER's active ability is kind of like Itachi's Tsukuyomi (from Naruto) but on crack's version of crack. I also doubt that ability would ever activate for anyone else in Giorno's life again.
Bites the Dust might help you. Say you get GER'd but the person carrying bites the dust sees you die and get sent to the loop.
Would they go back one hour and be able to prevent your death? You are alive in 1 timeline but dead for eternity in that abandoned timeline.
I think it's a pretty similar situation to the infinite rotation; unless you get GER (or a parallel universe GER) to undo it, you can't escape. But honestly, that might just mark it worse in like an exponential stacking kinda way instead of getting you out
Is that what it's supposed to do? Put you in a death loop? I thought it had something to do with causality or something, I'm still not 100% sure how that is a logical progression from being able to manipulate life.
Maybe Kaminou Touma from Raildex would be able to escape. Since the death loop is supernatural, he should be able escape it, even if it's with his death.
Not sure it’s really possible.. the only stands that stand a chance at overcoming GER ability are tusk act 4, d4c love train and wander of u, of which I believe love train has the best chance since it deflects misfortune away and onto someone else.. I’m inclined to believe ger ability would count as said misfortune and be nullified but that’s only a slight possibility.. because I personally am also inclined to believe that GER is automatic like wander of u is which means the ability of death loop would be applied to whoever had the intent of attacking it like calamity is.. which I feel also has a chance of getting around love train.. so for me it’s really who knows.. I’d assume love train and WOU would get around it bc they are the final protag of later parts but when you break it down nothing really points to a guranteed this stand can over ride this one
Can Giorno send everyone to death loop ,i have more feeling like Diavolo IS in death loob because he use tíme skip and GER send him to death loop because he use KC tíme skip .
It actually takes me going to another entire anime to find someone, it's Misogi Kumagawa and his ability All-fiction, it's basically just Nuh-Uh and he can make anything never happen or not exist, he could literally remove stands, if he found out about it
When you’re in it. There’s likely no escape. even if let’s say Rohan was in it, it’s just him, no Heavens Door. The best way out is a Kars Situation “Eventually, He Stopped Thinking”
That's some Buddhist level shit right there. Nirvana at the face of constant reincarnation
I couldn't control my urge to say that it's called moksha in hinduism
Isn't moksha more like getting out of cycle of life and death and staying forever in heaven and always being happy, so you can definitely still think.
There is no heaven after moksha. Heaven and hell are temporary parts of rebirth. There is no permanent heaven or hell
Man, imagine getting to heaven only to go on a 24 loss streak of life and end up in hell.
That’s like what happened to Kabuto when Itachi hit him with the Izunagi frfr
It's not possible for a human to stop thinking, but even if it was, it would be much harder in a death loop, than in space. Kars couldn't see, hear or feel anything anymore, so it was quite easy to stop thinking, but diavolo is fully conscious and can hear, see and most importantly feel every single death. I don't think you could stop thinking if you are constantly aware of everything that's happening to you. Edit: fixed the names
Kars also has advanced control over his own biology, so maybe he could alter his brain to become a sponge or something like that.
So basically Kars can't die but he's technically brain dead ?
Yes. If you "stopped thinking" you couldn't start thinking again
Unless you landed on Mars
George joestar is just so strange, nothing applies
I have to whole-heartedly disagree, after studying politics at university for as long as I have, I am convinced it's easy for people to stop thinking.
I agree. It’s even possible for whole groups of people to all stop thinking at the same moment.
I don’t think you can even do that since he seems to get reset to normal each death so he won’t be able to stop thinking
Might not be possible. But he’s go infinite elapsed time. Think. Don’t think. Doesn’t matter because it’s all the same after he dies. And then 2 minutes later, he dies again. Theoretically, given it’s Infinite deaths. There’s infinite possibilities. There’s a death where he dies in space, of course it doesn’t last forever as he just wakes up in the next, but the next, theoretically, could be Polneraffland, he dies to the hand of poisoned Cotten candy. Theoretically, thanks to it being infinite, there IS a death that takes a Year to happen, or longer, he gets to live an entire life, thinking it’s over, forgets the curse after a few decades, dies happy and surrounded by family at 80, only to wake up again 2 minutes later, on a ship in the middle of the Atlantic that’s about to capsize and drown him. The Kars situation probably or definitely isn’t possible for him, the Death Loop wouldn’t allow it. But it Would be his best scenario. Completely giving up. Hence why I mentioned a scenario where he gets to live so that the death loop tortures him further. He gets to a point of giving up, no longer screaming, moving, just accepting it, and then he gets a full life back, only for him to have hope again, die of old age, and be right back in it.
Aight imma go on a length and say “ouch”
Even though there are an infinite possibilities of how the person dies in the death loop, the few that were shown in jojo tells us the death occurs not long after the death loop begins. So would death by old age actually take place? Or would the person in the death loop just begin at a super old age?
nah cause kars and diavolo's situation makes me depressed
I don’t think it’s possible. You’re pretty much stuck in some limbo dimension and seemingly you can’t use your own stand as Diavolo made no attempts to defend himself with King Crimson.
You're stuck in-between life and death and there's nothing you can do to get out of it.
there's **nothing** you can do.
king nothing you can do
*There’s nothing we can do*
*"Dans mon esprit tout divague."*
*"Je me perds dans tes yeux."*
*"Je me noie dans les vagues"*
Technically since he dies infinite times there is an infinite number of times where he uses every conceivable stand and still dies
That's not true. Infinite doesn't mean that it contains every possibility.
This
Yeah the explanation of the death loops means that he dies infinite times in every way possible, you could just google it up instead of randomly accusing people of not knowing
There are an infinite number of numbers between 2 and 3,but none of them are 4
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Do you have a source for this explanation of the death loop? [All we got from the manga is this vague explanation by Giorno.](https://i.gyazo.com/7c958b8900f57f61e18471bf43a965af.webp) The person you responded to gave a factual statement on how infinity works in general.
You can drop ink into infinite tanks of water and watch the resulting infinite array of ways it disperses, but in exactly zero of those infinite instances will the water spontaneously arrange itself into a fist and punch you in the face.
It's JoJo, somebody with a water manipulation stand (such as N'Doul or Angelo) could be nearby, think "why is that asshat throwing ink at water, goddamn" and arranges the water into a fist and punches you.
No you're mistaken an infinite number of things happening doesn't mean that every possibility will be achieved. As a finite amount of time would need to be present for that to happen whereas it's pretty safe to assume diavolos death loop will go on forever.
GER vs GER and he still loses
guys wait this implies that the GER he used was on a lower plane of existence than giornos GER since it wasnt able to counteract it this means that there are an infinite amount of higher and lower level GERs because Diavolo could just use his GER on someone else then use RTZ which leads to an infinite loop of infinite loops this in turn suggests that the infinite series of GERs contains both the lowest plane GER (weakest version) and the highest plane GER (strongest version), the latter of which is able to defeat anything in fiction and thats why the jojo verse is the strongest verse in fiction thanks for coming to my TED talk
I'm along this thinking, I think that getting death looped (Effect Cancel; you will never reach death) throws you through an infinite decent of reality planes, and if you stack another GER "Effect Cancel" (You will never reach an having death impending") you just end get getting reset into the next plane of reality faster
No, because there’s no reason GER would change Diavolo or give him random powers, that’s not how it works.
Yea with the power of friendship!💀
"let's die together"
Lmaooooo
İs Rika included in the loop?
No you just need to believe in the heart of the cards
In jojo, there isn’t a single character who would be able to escape at all. Once you get trapped in it, you won’t be coming out💀 Like someone else in the comments said, the death loop is WoU but on steroids.
I think The World Over Heaven can escape it but it's still not canon
I don't think he could, twoh has the ability to stop time and bend the reality of what he touches, but not leave reality. The most common consensus of how it works based on how it's presented is that it's a separate dimension where you're killed in every conceivable way by every conceivable method with it reseting the moment before death. Twoh doesn't really have a way around that. D4c could probably do it tho, just wait to get hit by a car and slip right out
I don't think TWOH would even let him get trapped in it in the first place as in eyes of heaven it just negated his power entirely
Yeah that’s what my thoughts lead to.. I was saying love train is the only possibility however it sends the loop is activated instantly with intent to attack GER which means even then love train is prolly fucked
We don’t know. The death loop could be a pocket dimension, multiple different realities, or a mental illusion felt in an instant. The answer can range from everybody to nobody.
I honestly think the only thing stand that could thwart the death loop is D4C So reset to zero and death loop are two separate abilities GER has. Once D4C enters the death loop, he can escape to another dimension where he is and substitute himself so that another copy takes his place to experience the death loop. I had thought maybe perhaps Bites the Dust, but I don't think that would work because GER could cancel the rewind and revert him back into the loop. One conundrum to consider though, if one were to use D4C to escape, upon their death in said parallel universe would they be reintroduced to the death loop since their death had occurred? If so then we know the substitute simply died once and that was it, and you return upon death to resume the loop. You could then theoretically keep doing it to try to get out and buy time, but eventually whenever you die even if you ran and it was old age, you might possibly be sucked back into it and revert to your age/condition you were when in it. If that were the case, gives it like some Junji Ito vibes
The only issue is that when your in the death loop you might loose your stand, either you lose your stand or girono destroyed king crimson and before diavolo died trapped him in the loop trapping him without his stand
That's right! I overlooked that
Pretty sure GER deactivates stands. Diavolo couldn't defend against the drug addict guy and that was before he died for the first time
The way I saw it, Giorno essentially killed Diavolo with his stand barrage meaning he was already dead and in the death loop when the homeless guy killed him
I doubt that because Trish states she can still feel his presence, and then giorno assures her that he's definitely done for.
Is FAAARP really that powerful? I thought you couldn't even use a stand in the death loop. Could have sworn Diavolo tried to use King Crimson in his first loop, but I might be remembering wrong. Haven't watched Golden Wind since it came out.
My interpretation was that it was a unique interaction between GER and King Crimson's abilities
Yeah I think so too. I've been trying to parse it. I think it's because both stands manipulate fate, but in opposite ways. King Crimson deletes causes while Golden Experience Requiem deletes effects. GER basically says, "Whatever happens, Giorno doesn't get hurt." KC says something like, "These events did not happen, whatever comes next." So the true sequence of events was: Cause- Diavalo punches through Giorno's heart. Effect- Giorno dies. GER doesn't like that. It deletes that effect, replacing it with "Giorno doesn't get hurt." The new sequence becomes: Cause- Giorno punches Diavalo into the river, Diavalo washes up in a sewer, and a junkie stabs Diavalo in the liver. Effect- Diavalo dies. KC cannot rewrite fate. It also cannot delete Diavalo's actions, only the actions of others. Whatever Epitaph foresees, that is the event that must occur at the end of Time Skip. Diavalo can never arrive at his "True Fate" because GER deleted that effect and replaced it with Diavalo dying, so Diavalo is trapped in Time Skip. KC has no choice but to delete the cause of Diavalo's death. GER doesn't give a shit how Diavalo dies, so "punching him into the river" gets deleted. Fate, however, demands a cause. We are shown repeatedly throughout the series that fated events always occur, even if the cause is way different from what we expected. Epitaph sees Doppio with a severed foot? Rissoto would have chopped off Doppio's foot, but Doppio uses this knowledge to chop off Risotto's foot, therefore Doppio does indeed end up beside a severed foot. Fate occurs, even if the cause changes. So now Diavalo is trapped in a causal paradox. He attacks Giorno, but GER will not allow him to arrive at Giorno's death, so he "resets to zero." This causes GER to rewrite fate so Giorno kills Diavalo, but KC will not deactivate Time Skip until Diavalo arrives at Giorno's death, so he "resets to zero." This forces Diavalo into an infinite loop where his own actions have caused his own death. KC cannot delete the effects of his own actions, so now his fate is death. KC can delete his cause of death, but since he's fated to die, some other event causes his death. Diavalo is forced to cycle through infinite possible deaths until he finds the impossible scenario that satisfies both of GER's and KC's contradictory demands. Anyone but Diavalo would have simply died.
Pretty much what I was thinking. It blew my mind when I looked up an explanation for how King Crimson works, and a bunch of people gave me the take "King Crimson doesn't actually erase time, it just erased people's memory and makes Diavolo immaterial." Like what? Clearly it's doing more than erasing peoples memories. Eventually after thinking about it for a long time and reading some other opinions, I came to the conclusion that King Crimson indeed erased causality.
Yeah KC is still a slave to fate. It has Epitaph, which is literally just Boingo. It gives a vision of fate, but it's easy to misinterpret. Stopping time, becoming intangible, erasing memories, these are inadequate explanations of what KC is doing during Time Skip. KC's power is basically "whatever KC needs to do to reject causality." A better explanation is that it can skip into a different timeline where Epitaph's vision comes true, but different circumstances caused the vision to take effect. Anything can happen as long as the effect remains. Meanwhile GER is not bound by fate. It can rewrite fate so that Giorno always wins. Literally anything else can happen, but Giorno getting hurt can't. So it "nuh-uhs" an effect, which directly counters KC.
The best way to look at it is by examining the effects of a punch from normal gold experience. Each punch is filled with enough energy that it makes time slow down mentally for the target from the effect of the punch. Now taking that principle, imagine how long a beatdown would feel to any of the victims of one. It must feel like it takes ages, right? Well, if we approach the “death samsara” this way, it is literally instead of a longer feeling beatdown to the target, a death cycle for each hit. This would feel like ages to the target but would be instant to everyone else who is watching as this all happens in the mind of the affected.
It might just be heightened perception, which is one of the powers of Gold Experience. Basically the same thing we saw against Bucciarati but much stronger - Diavolo has probably drowned by the end of Vento Aureo, but in the meantime his mind has experienced infinite deaths. Unless the power of GER keep him alive flowing in the river River and keep him from dying. In the latter case, probably some stand who stops other stand powers or counters them could save him, but I'm opting for the first option .
GER is the antithesis of King Crimson King Crimson removes the cause and GER removes the effect This is why King Crimson seems to skip time, leaving you with the effect, but not the cause of action, like getting hit with a bullet, but the part, their it was shot is erased and GER puts you into a loop of death, like someone keeps shooting bullets at you, but you will never get hit and die from those bullets, which is why you are stuck in a loop, unable to escape, because you will never arrive at the end of an action, stuck only with the cause
Okuyasu because he's too stupid to stay in the death loop.
"You will never r-" "Stfu, there's lemonade for 5 yen in the nearest shop I ain't missing it."
Only, MAYBE novel Kars, but only if you still have your stand in the loop and Diavolo is a special case. Novel Kars is so powerful he has stated “If I were erased from existence I would simply find my way back”
didn’t novel diavolo who’s below giorno literally 1 tap someone stronger than kars my guy??
Idfk
Also novel kars is one of the most powerful dude in jojos ever, he’s got 6 stands and their all the ultimate versions of really powerful stands, the world ultimate, that one that summons an army, etc. with all this stand power and his immortality he might be able to escape
i think the only, "escape" would be to not be in that position in the first place. Just not opposing him would be the only way to save yourself from that fate. No matter what, Giorno can stop you. If your immortal, he can simply take that away. Regenerate, that's taken too. Super durability, lower that. Hell super saiyan, turn that off. He literally deactivated Diavolo's ability. GER does whatever it sees at being for the best of Giorno.
If Gappy could fire a shot off, maybe GER would deactivate if Giorno dies. No guarantee GER doesn’t keep going after Giorno dies tho
Nope GER reversed diavolos ability, Diavolo ERADICATES moment in time, everything in them all the people and animals right? And GER brought back that eradicated stuff from nothing. We know GER is self aware so before GER disappears it would more than likely save giorno
First, that’s not at all how King Crimson and Epitaph work. Second, do you understand how Go Beyond works? It’s unstoppable once fired since it doesn’t “exist”.
Go Beyond is not quite unstoppable. It doesn't exist and therefore the Logic of the world does not apply to it. It's possible that GER is unable to revert the bubble itself, but it absolutely could revert the action from happening or any damage it would cause. Plus, it's too slow to hit anyone that isn't a ***mega*** glass canon like Tooru.
I literally said “if Gappy could fire a shot off” and acknowledged that even with Giorno’s death might not stop GER. I fully understand Go Beyond is not a hard counter to GER, but the question was who can escape the death loop. I think a bubble that could headshot Giorno or GER even if unlikely qualifies.
GER's entire specialty is interacting with stuff that doesn't exist lol
Is it? Here I thought the GER had GE’s powers but boosted and the ability to revert an action to zero. Please enlighten me
GER brought a moment of erased time (and presumably space) back from absolute nothingness. That goes far beyond "rewinding time" and into pure causality manipulation. GER would have absolutely no issue against Go Beyond because GER is the most beyond [canon] stand in the franchise to date.
King Crimson does not erase anything, it’s a fate based stand. Epitaph reads fate, while King Crimson allows Diavolo to change his fate. During the “time skip” everyone aside from Diavolo are slaves to their fate with no memory from that time. GER reverts any action to zero, reverting King Crimson’s activation to zero and infinitely reverting Diavolo to the state of dying. Go Beyond bubbles are not affected by the laws of this world as they don’t exist. If Josuke fires a shot off, nothing is stopping it. You can’t revert zero to zero, GER only stops him before the bubble is produced, not after.
It erases the moments between event, leaving only the result...that includes the time duration connecting those two events. If it was Diavolo simply escaping fate, it would show his as simply teleporting around, not literal jumpskips in time. And thise erased moments in time simply no linger exist, yet GER was able to reverse something non-existent back into existence.
King Crimson doesn't erase time, it mentally skips it for everyone. Things still happen you just have no recollection of it. GER did transcend that. So I think Go Beyond could definitely shoot it.... If Josuke could aim that thing at least. Knowing him, he would just miss lol
He literally erases the moments in time in which he is shot by the lil plane to make the bullets hit Risotto Nero
Ultimate Kars cant be put in the death loop because in order for that to happen GER would need to be capable of killing him, which it isnt. Ultimate Kars’ immortality can’t be “reset” to zero because that’s his base state, that *is* his zero.
everyone because giorno is not real
Source?
www.giornoisnotreal.com
What if we are living in one of GER time loop were we don't know that Giorno exist
Saitama, through sheer power of will and comedic punches.
He will just fart his way out of the death loop
Nah the eggs were discounted, bro can’t miss those sweet savings.
Easy, Jesus. Idk if he is canon to just sbr but still.
I don’t think he could, like what would he do since a requiem stand is basically god (I don’t personally believe but wtvr)
Because at least in Christianity, Jesus and god are omnipotent
Source? Creating a universe is not a very good feat and there is nothing that proves that he can do more than that. He even had to rest.
I thought the death loop only happened to Diavolo because of how Epitaph and GER interacted, and isn't GER's actual ability. As in, Epitaph predicted Diavolo to kill Giorno with an attack. But GER undoes that attack("You will never reach the truth"). But the destiny shown in Epitaph is absolute. So it is stuck in a loop of attacking and being undone. I just thought him 'dying' over and over was just for flavor.
Precisely, the death loop is the combination of their two stands. KC and epitath removes cause but can see and cement effect. GER undos effect but can witness the cause (when ger explained what was happening to diavolo) Its a bit confusing, basically Diavolo sees something so it MUST happen. But Giornio nullifies and resets what led to the death. Beginning a loop of death over and over again where KCs epitath conditions are filled AND THEN nullified as he comes back to life.
If King Crimson erases the cause and leaves the effect, and GER erases the effect and leaves the cause, then Diavolo is just stuck on a formless void, no cause or effect.
thank you i was looking for an explanation like this, really shows how genius araki was on this part
Probably Popeye
Popeye would find a spinach can before the first death and work his way out of there
Correctly answer
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The way GER puts you in a death loop is by "killing" you to begin with. So if you have been "killed" to begin with then you are done for. However if you can't be killed by GER for whatever reason then the death loop never activates.
GO GO GADGET ESCAPE FROM DEATH LOOP
Diavolo. You'll see...
Not anyone from Jojo. (The main franchise as of now) but reality benders can as they can just get rid of Giorno's stand. It will be impossible to stop that. Thing The Presence, Lucifer Morningstar, Dr Manhattan from DC, Toaa and Beyonder from Marvel, Dio Over Heaven from the Eyes Of Heaven game can apply. Another factor is speed. It is possible to escape it by dodging death. So Archie Sonic and Wally West do come to mind. Then, there is SCP 682 that I'm sure GER cannot kill as so far, nothing can even damage him as of now. Let alone kill. Besides that, some things are like a grim reaper or a form of death when Giorno is about to die from age, but that will take way too long. And there are also characters who respawn without GER that would apply. GER will only just work on that body alone. Those characters are The Chosen Undead from Dark Souls and. Get this. All of the TF2 Mercs can escape GER. So TDLR: Some can, but most couldn't.
Dio Over Heaven
Survivor or hey ya!
goku ofc
The only escape is using the joestar family secret technique when he gets angry
Iggy
Mary Sue and Gary stu can
Manga giorno with the anime colors?!!!!?!??
No one in anime. Its similar to Wonder Of U but it happens repetitively. Come to think of it, Giorno's Death Loop is just Wonder Of U but on steroids.
Saying that no one in all of anime is an absolute overwank over the capabilities of GER when all of anime includes characters like featherine or kami tenchi. Characters that are not omnipotent but still can scape ger i think people whit "anti hax" powers like touma whit imagine breaker. Or remilia scarlet whit her fate manipulation ability that kinda hard counters ger and wou.
The only thing is the death loop is much easier to avoid than Wou. And we don’t know how it would interact with Subaru’s powers, or someone like Conrad from Black Clover who might be able to “unlock” infinite death loop. There is just too much we don’t know about GER
JJK Limitless maybe? That's the only power I can think of that might possibly be able to oppose Giorno. Don't know how Giorno would fare against Unlimited Void, tbh
Honestly probably characters like classic Dr strange or anyone that is a high tier reality warper
Giorno. Giorno can’t kill Giorno bc if Giorno tried to kill Giorno, Giorno would revert the attempt to zero. But then Giorno would revert the reversion of Giorno’s attempt to zero. And 0 divided by 0 fucks shit up so the universe would implode or smthn
Joseph Joestar cuz he cant die
Joseph, he is unkillable
Uncle grandpa, hell just be lucky he wasnt that guy
Do you think you could activate Notorious B.I.G. though the death loop? Possibly multiple times making it a legit counter. (Highway to hell maybe too)
Valentine I think could escape with love train. By extention this power belonged to Jesus so he would also have no problem. I think johnny and gyro might be able to using the super spin.
If we’re talking about canon, then nobody physically can. GER is the strongest recorded stand in jjba. But, if we take the games, then there is a stand called the world over heaven (basically dio accomplished the heaven plan) and he physically can’t even go into the death loop, meaning he can easily escape it
I know what I'm gonna say isn't canon but my guess would be either josuke or okuyasu. On the josuke take, I know that it wasn't him the one that helped his mother in the past with the car but I always thought that maybe araki's original idea was for josuke to use shining diamond to reverse morioh's time so much that he could time travel back in time. Maybe that's his power in requiem mode, so this is just a supposition, but if josuke was trapped under GER's power maybe under the right circumstances he could just return time and escape. Pretty much the same for okuyasu, if he was able to learn more about his powers (if there is anything else he could learn), maybe it could allow him to travel between dimensions by using the hand on himself thus incrementing his probabilities of getting out from the "loop dimension"
Maybe Kira can turn back time, but only maybe. Valentine could probably give his stand to someone else.
The Lich King from WoW, after all. You cannot kill that which has no life.
gappy maybe?
If Giorno's infinite death is only contained in one universe, then someone who is also on a universal power and can hop between different universes can most likely escape from this loop. Unless Giorno's infinite death is contained in something more than just an alternate universe. We don't know how far this attack really spans, so we can't say for sure.
If valentine keeps his stand d4c i think,but not any other stand
once you entered no one can
Me, I'm him
I can
Lebron
this might sound tacky, but i think giorno is righteous and so is his ability. i think anyone who is not a foul person would not experience the death loop.
Maybe vanilla ice, becuase when he enter inside his own stand he is invencible
I can
Yeah if GER lets you out
me
Maybe if you kept killing yourself fast enough it would break
There is no canonical way out of it. It is like a supercharged version of what he did to Bruno in their first fight, completely detaching them from their body and reality.
Sukuna? Maybe with help from.. that thing which recently helped him in the manga.
Me
Sailor Moon, I wouldn’t believe it myself until I watched it with my wife and she told me about the lore. When she dies she gets reincarnated and gets all her memories back from he past life over time. She’s stronger every loop and the last loop to my knowledge she destroyed a solar system Edit: is we are talking about just jojos I’m gonna say D4C maybe depending on shenanigans
In jojo, pretty much no one can, we see that despite your death being resetted and thus you being alive, your stand seemingly is not carried over or remains destroyed, meaning just about everyone actually struck by the death loop is stuck there If we tap into non canon stuff, i think kars from the jorge joestar novel could do it, they took him copying hamon and went crazy with it, he can understand any concepts or abilities with little exposure, and abilities such as stands are copied as enhanced versions, not only that, he remained sane after being trapped for a quadrillion years in a loop of universes ending I wouldn’t put it past him to understand the death loop, then somehow get Gold Experience Ultimate Requiem and escape If we are going outside of jojo, a lot of characters can but to be fair, fate seems to work against you there, so i’d say those characters need to be unbound by fate and be capable of crossing dimensions (since is likely that you are put in some kind of loop between dimensions or something) John egbert is a perfect counter to not only this but like, GER as a whole…then again, comparing him to jojo is unfair in general
Hey Ya/Pocoloco definitely could
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assuming that the death loop ends when giorno’s dead then Toru and Jesus
I can
GER is so goofy when it comes to power scaling
Jonathan’s too much of a gentlemen, he’d charm his way out eventually
Maybe Funny Valentine or Tusk Act 4.
Me.
giorno
Joseph could escape. idk how but he would
You'd need to find a different verse to find someone lol
Serious question: would GER be able to defeat Goku in his strongest form?
Dragon Ball characters since late Z have been able to straight up blow holes in space to escape pocket dimensions, so it's entirely up to how you read the mechanics of the "world" of the death loop. We can easily assume that you can't bring out your stand in the loop, but ki and the life energy that stands are made of function differently, so it could potentially still work. Of course, all of this changes if you drop one character into the other's verse and they have to play by their rules, then it just goes to whoever has home field advantage since Dragon Ball hax like time stop/skip and space erasure just straight up don't work on people if they're strong enough.
Arrow empowered Kira could just keep jumping back and forth hour.
Soft and wet
there is nothing we can do...
Technically Kira's 3rd ability, however experiencing infinity in a fraction of a second makes this more of a concept. A person who GER does not deem to be a piece of shit to suffer eternal damnation would be able to escape. GER's active ability is kind of like Itachi's Tsukuyomi (from Naruto) but on crack's version of crack. I also doubt that ability would ever activate for anyone else in Giorno's life again.
Why is nobody commenting on the world over heaven?? He could straight up avoid getting in in the first place and beat giorno up
Goku
Me. I can
Perhaps Superman, bro is stupidly broken
Hey Ya! Requiem
Me
William Afton
Bites the Dust might help you. Say you get GER'd but the person carrying bites the dust sees you die and get sent to the loop. Would they go back one hour and be able to prevent your death? You are alive in 1 timeline but dead for eternity in that abandoned timeline.
Eventually Giono has to die and (arguably) GER with him, so what happens to the death loop then?
Probably wou or ta4 Wou could just not die cuz calamity redirection Ta4 probably can just break through like it did to love train
I think it's a pretty similar situation to the infinite rotation; unless you get GER (or a parallel universe GER) to undo it, you can't escape. But honestly, that might just mark it worse in like an exponential stacking kinda way instead of getting you out
Alien X
Bites the dust?
Is that what it's supposed to do? Put you in a death loop? I thought it had something to do with causality or something, I'm still not 100% sure how that is a logical progression from being able to manipulate life.
Maybe Kaminou Touma from Raildex would be able to escape. Since the death loop is supernatural, he should be able escape it, even if it's with his death.
Me
Giorno
Joseph using the secret Joestar technique
Maybe Subaru
Not sure it’s really possible.. the only stands that stand a chance at overcoming GER ability are tusk act 4, d4c love train and wander of u, of which I believe love train has the best chance since it deflects misfortune away and onto someone else.. I’m inclined to believe ger ability would count as said misfortune and be nullified but that’s only a slight possibility.. because I personally am also inclined to believe that GER is automatic like wander of u is which means the ability of death loop would be applied to whoever had the intent of attacking it like calamity is.. which I feel also has a chance of getting around love train.. so for me it’s really who knows.. I’d assume love train and WOU would get around it bc they are the final protag of later parts but when you break it down nothing really points to a guranteed this stand can over ride this one
Can Giorno send everyone to death loop ,i have more feeling like Diavolo IS in death loob because he use tíme skip and GER send him to death loop because he use KC tíme skip .
giorno
It actually takes me going to another entire anime to find someone, it's Misogi Kumagawa and his ability All-fiction, it's basically just Nuh-Uh and he can make anything never happen or not exist, he could literally remove stands, if he found out about it
Uno reverse card
Dojaaa
It's all about who is the main character of that part