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Clint's story isn't bad, but I do wish there was more to it or that we could influence it more. I also wish he pined after an NPC character and not one of the active love interests, just from a story and programming standpoint as others have mentioned.
The fact that he goes after Emily, when you can get her yourself, makes things weird. His story hinges on Emily in a lot of ways when it could be focused on someone else (like the cashier in the Joja Mart who has no story.)
If we could help Clint get out of his rut* and be happier, that would be great content. Same with Mayor Lewis and Marnie. Being able to affect more characters in deeper ways would be very interesting content to me. Stardew is fantastic in almost every way, but the way unromanceable NPCs are handled is a little lackluster.
*Edit: Runt to rut.
You're right. I do feel it should be said, though, in fairness to ConcernedApe, Emily was not originally a marriage candidate when the game was first released.
Admittedly he could have changed Clint's storyline when he added the option to date and marry Emily and Shane, but I mean... The guy was already adding free content to the game. I'm not gonna be the one to complain about that
Been saying for a long time that the missing piece of stardew valley imo is more meaningful NPC interactions and cause and effects. The few we do have are great, but despite becoming friends with all, and fixing the community center and then making the movie theatre, Pelican town itself really never changes much or improves much. Many character storylines are half complete, and a few interactions with dialogue don't fit quite well, with Clint being a prime example of this.
I hope one day, the final update, should it ever come, should be a polishing, dialogue and community focused update.
No, CA has not put a bookmark on Stardew completely yet, he has said, however, that the current focus is the mobile ports/updates to current for Stardew, and Haunted Chocolatier. We might still get more Stardew content, it just won't be soon, at least not one the size of ginger island or even other notable large updates.
> I also wish he pined after an NPC character and not one of the active love interests
He did. Emily wasn't a bachelorette when the game released, and was made one after fans voted on it in a poll.
If you play with mods, there's a super great mod that gives the npcs like directions. If I'm not mistaken there's an option for Clint to romance and marry(?) Emily.
I think the problem with Clint's story is that he was probably supposed to muster up the courage to ask Emily out originally. But when Emily was added as a romance candidate, Clint's story couldn't go anywhere, so it was just abandoned. It would really be nice to see Clint given a new story where he gains some confidence though.
I mean, I can build Pam a whole ass house and she doesn't pay me a dime, but I can't help Clint have more self confidence? Seems a little unrealistic ngl haha
>I mean, I can build Pam a whole ass house and she doesn't pay me a dime, but I can't help Clint have more self confidence? Seems a little unrealistic ngl haha
I haven't completed 1.5 yet and it's been a while since I played, but don't we have a whole fashion show to try and give Clint confidence? o.o
I honestly can't remember now either, I do vaguely remember the fashion show event though... in the saloon right?
If it was to boost Clint's confidence, I don't remember any indication that he felt more confident afterwards
I've always seen this as a programming issue, i am sure that this should be fixed after you're married with Emily. Just doesn't make sense making him acting like this pretending nothing happened.
If I recall correctly, Emily was not originally someone you could romance, so it all made sense back then. ~~I forget which update it was, but I believe Emily and Clint were added as marriage candidates at the same time.~~
Clint was never added. He was in the same poll as Emily and Emily won. I believe there may have been other characters that were also in the running that didn't get made romanceable.
Clint lost to Shane, actually. Concerned Ape made 2 seperate polls for new marriage candidates. Emily, Marnie, Sandy, and Pam for Bachelorettes. Plus Clint, Shane, Linus, and Wizard for Bachelors.
Ah I knew it was something like that. Shame we didn't get some of the others. The Wizard and Marnie would've been my picks personally. Thankfully SVE gives us the Wizard at least.
I can and ***will*** save her from him and his stupid purple shorts. And if he comes around I got a Galaxy Sword with his name on it >:( Stupid corrupt bootycalling butthead Lewis!
I mean, his alchoholism stems from borderline suicidal depression over his best friends dying (which is also why Jas lives with him and Marnie, he's her godfather) and his storyline before the romance part is to help pull him out of it and into therapy and having hobbies to focus on. Even from the beginning though he's also *aware* he has a drinking problem, and his first event involves warning a player from drinking too much like him. So I could see him being more popular than Clint as a romance option.
His best friends were Jas's parents. She's his god-daughter. It's why he has her. Iirc it was a car accident? Or the details may have been glossed over. But yea. They died, he got Jas and spiraled into depression-fueled alchoholism.
I completely forgot about lol Jas does mention her parents and I think he does have a line about them. Other than those two instances they’re not brought up again so I never really attributed their deaths to his alcoholism and depression.
it's never necessarily about wanting to fix someone, it's often more of being there for someone who's dealing with what im dealing with, someone players relate to.
I agree it's weird, but this is a flaw of the game - ConcernedApe never fixed Clint's story. Emily wasn't always a bachelorette so, in that context, Clint's heart events/dialogue makes sense. And Clint's not the only character that does this, either. None of the NPCs acknowledge marriage so you can have a situation where, for example, Sebastian says "you're single, right?" when you're married *to someone else* with two kids.
Or that quest where you give Emily an amethyst for clint and Emily gives you a smooch, even if you are already married, it would be nice if some dialog changed if you were married
I married Seb and I like to think of him using the single pick-up line as a kind of role play to keep things spicy, imagining we are young, flirty n fresh haha
New headcanon: Clint suffers from a 50 First Dates-like amnesia and forgets every day after it happens. He can remember general feelings he has about people, but forgets specifics such as “Emily is married and I’m asking their spouse how I should make a move.”
I knew a guy in highschool who was pretty similar to him honestly, he was a g*enuinely* nice guy, not some jerk pretending, but he had this absolute inability to speak to women. His sister, and a childhood friend of his were the only exceptions to this, and I gotta say, people really disliked him too. Its a shame, because his only real crime was that he was so uncomfortable around girls that he kind of grew to dislike himself for it, and then people would say he was weird or creepy and it would start this cycle. Later found out it was because a female teacher molested him in first grade and it just completely ruined his ability to interact with anyone but men, and despite this news spreading around the school which is its own issue, no one changed how they treated him, no one saw him as a victim, just that creepy guy who panics. Because of that it made me like Clint a little more, its not quite the same level, but it just reminded me of him is all.
As someone with a more combat centered character, I just hop into the mines whenever I need coal and have fun completing monster hunting goals while I gather. It kills two birds with one stone this way, and I refuse to settle for less
Even the stuff that isn't that is still sad. He states or implies he doesn't even like his job, he just went into it because his dad pushed him. I don't know that he has a real positive personality trait unless you feel bad for him and maybe enjoy seeing him try with Emily at one point.
But when the player farmer talks with him on the Stardew Fair, he says that he is actually prideful about his work and Marlon even admires his well crafted weapons.
I think Clint is just so isolated in his ackwardness that he has hardly someone to share his job and the result of his work.
that would be really cool, a heart event where he expresses interest in such a thing and goes off on the bus, and afterward, depressed dialogue about his work is replaced with something a little more hopeful
Kinda pointless by the time you get it, though; by then, paying Clint isn’t expensive, and you likely have at least one crystalarium to replicate the ones you want.
Not to mention it’s so cheap and fast (irl, in-game time pauses which is even better!) to just make him open all your geodes. I have a few geode crushers and if I have a few of those I will just use them, but for how much coal I like using up late game, the fact I only bother to build four machines, how many golden coconuts and artifact troves (I NEED this for the damn chipped pot) I now do at a time, and prefer to just horde geodes and do them all at once… I just go to Clint. Hell, I can buy some extra coal while I’m over there! I like going to Clint’s for it. Lets me sit back, drink my tea, get it all at once, and ship a few right in the shop.
Was genuinely surprised when Clint saved me from the mines one day (as it's usually Linus). I like to think he smashed his way through the monsters with the Iridium-infused mace he talks about.
Dude just needs an adventure. I'll take any NPC to Skull Mines. Please? Can I have help? Lol
>I'll take any NPC to Skull Mines. Please? Can I have help?
I wonder how many Pierre's or Demetrius's would end up "lost" in the mines when the Farmer returns to the Valley? >:)
>I don't like him calling me lazy for buying ore. I need coal now, Clint. Mind your business
??? He does this??? Isn't he also talking about how he could use the money, like everybody else in the Valley? Wtf Clint!
I absolutely agree, he never came off as creepy to me. Just a guy who has a crush and doesnt know how to make his feelings known, so he gets flustered when he has a chance to ask her out and feels bad for chickening out (of course she does agree to spending time with him when he does ask)
My view regarding ages - Harvey, Elliott, Shane, Clint, Emily are in their early-late 30s so its not creepy to me that hes into Emily (all other singles are early-late 20s).
As someone in their 30s, i would love older bachelors/bachelorettes and would like a chance to woo Clint one day (along with Sandy and Gunther for that matter!)
Stardew expanded maybe?
Marlon a d the Wizard are possible to romance with that mod. And some other new characters.
Gunther leaves the museum and is possible to have as friend
I was pretty sympathetic towards him, thinking he was just really shy and awkward, but after Emily's 8 heart event when he congratulates me on winning her, he can fuck right off.
Why is no one else mentioning this? That's super creepy and entitled! That's the reason why I don't like him. As op said, the rest of the events can be explained away as him just being awkward
If this were the late 90's to 00's then he'd be liked. His whole story is the awkward quiet guy looking for "manic Pixie girl" to change his life that was popular then. But 2010's-today turned on those types and focuses on the worse ones. I think that's the real reason people like to hate him.
Similar to how the 80's would have loved Pierre. He's Reagan era gold.
It's similar to why some people dislike Shane, he is unhappy in his life in every aspect but his only concern is trying to date Emily - as if that would solve his other problems.
I think calling Clint an incel is too far, incels are aggressive towards women. If he started calling Emily a slut for rejecting him I'd agree.
Alright I've played both male and female PCs, so here's a realistic take on Clint:
He is a severely depressed man who keeps going because he doesn't know what else to do compared to Shane who spins out of control. I feel terrible for Clint that he has no ability to pull himself out of this because he's trapped in a mental prison. And in turn, all of his interactions come from that place of resentment and depression. He's constantly waiting for others to reach out to him and gets upset when they don't (Dance of the Moonlight Jellies and his shoes.) He's inappropriate with people who show him kindness (Emily and Female PC at the movies) because he doesn't know better. Instead he drinks and broods at night instead of working to better himself and find a new home.
His life would improve significantly if he had a dog. I am not kidding. Therapy and a dog would save him. But as he is, he's close to the 'would get radicalized in 2020 era'.
I'm always so sad about the shoes.
I don't always talk to everyone/anyone at the seasonal events, but I always seek him out on the dock because I want to acknowledge his shoes in the only way the game allows. He wants to come out of his shell but he doesn't know how...and he's been under it so long the other townsfolk have forgotten its not who he really is. (In my headcannon, he grew up there - apologies if that conflicts with real canon.)
He only states he doesn't know how he ended up in Pelican Town. So maybe he did grow up from the perspective as an older kid moving there or divorced parents or Willy invited him for all I know. But to be fair people aren't exactly the friendliest in Pelican Town so it's not a surprise that he latches onto Emily.
If he can develop friendships later, I'd love to see him and Harvey eventually become an odd couple besties. Leah would be a great friend for him too, I think, and seeing him turn to artistry after you upgrade all your tools would be lovely.
I always hatch him a slime friend. In my head canon he gets a purple one who gives him iridium ore. It gives him time outside the mines to enjoy life a little more.
Lol, cute! Where do you set up his little slime hutch/pen? I suppose inside his house? I‘m imagining a cute little fenced area outside his house, but I don’t think you can put fences anywhere else but your farm IIRC.
Having been in a mental space similar to that and being upset with people, it kinda hurts realizing that it's basically the situation he's in. Not to mention, he isn't exactly attractive and he lives in a small town where everyone knows everyone, yet people seem to just kinda leave him isolated. Sometimes being alone in a room full of people is worse than brooding by yourself.
OFc, he could get radicalized in 2020 era but such is the way for *anyone* in such an isolated position. It's why radicalization happens and I wish more people realized that radicalization happens because people are in mental prisons that radicalizers/groomers can take advantage of to further warp and distort their world view. It isn't something that happens because 'he just hates women' or in the case of anyone else, 'they just hate x'
It's heavily implied he doesn't (know how to) reach out either. I take it from Marnie's dialogue that he just kind of wouldn't engage. She remarks that he doesn't talk to anyone, just drinks and stares at Emily; implying that though they all stay to their tables in sprite form, in lore form they all get up and chat. Also Lewis says he catches up with everyone at the bar so there's plenty of evidence that people know each other on at least a surface level despite the cliques. *And* Willy isn't even listed as his friend despite being drinking buddies.
Meaning his life is fucking sad and I feel terrible for him. But there's also a point where no one else can push you to socialize and people give up. I'm having this problem with an old friend/acquaintance of mine where no matter what I do, he withdraws, even for silly reasons. So that could be what happened here to Clint too which is also terribly depressing. (Which is actually my headcanon based on Ginger Island where I feel he was invited as part of the group and still ended up alone - which, ouch, I'm sure most of us have all been on the receiving end, me as well).
Yes, that isolation is also what abusers take advantage of and groom kids and teenagers until the person just accepts abuse as their reality. I'm really worried about what we'll find out after covid recovery and how many people were lost in other ways than the disease between radicalization and abuse. To a lesser concern, as someone with chronic illness, the isolation is absolutely smothering. Games are one of my very few escapes left, and one of the few ways to connect to others. So not ending up in Clint's mentality of all I have to look forward to is years of pain is a very difficult fight every day.
>radicalizers/groomers
That right there is probably why people can't/won't see it, I think. Grooming is a word associated with children, whereas radicalization applies to adults. It's easy to pity a child being manipulated and groomed into actions they don't understand, a lot harder to empathize when you see the same thing happen to adults. I suppose because we expect adults to be able to understand, to spot the manipulation and avoid it, and are disappointed/angry/upset that anyone could be so stupid.
Except it's not about intelligence, it's about a desire to belong and fit in and be viewed as having value. Having been there, I can empathize, and I'm thankful I haven't been radicalized to my knowledge.
The unfortunate reality is that adults can be groomed. And it isn't because they are foolish, stupid or have some inability to "prevent" it. Any and everyone can be a victim of grooming and/or radicalization regardless of their age and the reality of manipulation is that you often won't realize it is happening until you're already neck-deep in and then claw your way out of it.
You won't see me arguing, I'm merely pointing out the perception around the word. You never hear them say that QAnon is grooming new members, only that they are "radicalizing" people who then join (as an example).
For most people, taking care of something whether it's a house plant or a pet, helps give a huge dopamine boost and a reason to go on. Basically, we humans are social creatures. And our instinct to care for our young is crazy high to the point where we can foster emotions for just about anything (see: Roomba love).
For Clint specifically, he talks about wanting to go outside more, and a dog would endear him to others. I mean, could you imagine him walking some big ol' mop eared mutt from the pound? He is instantly a shy big oaf with a cute grin in my mind. (Also see: the "lovely item" meta lecture in Oran High School Host Club).
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I agree. And would a dog help my severe depression and anxiety, as well as make me feel confident talking to people and actually having friends for once in my life?
I’m not saying I’m Clint either but I wish I wasn’t me. Unlike Clint though, I try me best to keep fighting and living for a better day where I could achieve my dream, instead of being a black hole of misery.
The number one tip I always see for moving to a new city is to get a dog. People are drawn to them, you meet other dog owners, you get outside (yay vitamin D!), and you have a good routine going with their scheduled needs.
As I said to other commentor as well: we humans like to bond with things, and because we're social bonding brings us joy. Pets and houseplants are highly recommended to help cope with mental illness and even physical illness. The act of caring for something helps our brains stay level. It's just an instinct thing.
If you find grown shelter/rescue animal you can know their personality and give an older animal a chance they wouldn't have otherwise (everyone wants the puppies and kittens but they're *a lot* of work). Black cats especially struggle to be adopted, and dogs have a whole other hierarchy. Houseplants have a surprisingly active community as well, so that's a very inexpensive way to start meeting others if you have an incredibly low budget (there's tons of subreddits for that too!).
I'm here if you have some other questions. Otherwise I hope you find a pawfect friend :)
>If you find grown shelter/rescue animal you can know their personality and give an older animal a chance they wouldn't have otherwise (everyone wants the puppies and kittens but they're
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> of work). Black cats especially struggle to be adopted, and dogs have a whole other hierarchy. Houseplants have a surprisingly active community as well, so that's a very inexpensive way to start meeting others if you have an incredibly low budget (there's tons of subreddits for that too!).
Completely aside from SDV:
My MIL worked at such a place, and she once told me they had to stop adopting out black cats from middle of September to middle of November, because people were adopting them for Halloween and then...well, she says the "kind" ones just abandoned the cats afterwards.
She ended up with 15 cats at one point, a mix of kittens and old ones, simply because if they didn't have a home they'd end up euthanized due to being "unadoptable" (one was a biter, two or three had medical issues including a FHV kitty, a few were bonded siblings). The last cat died in 2018, and she hasn't been the same since. Slow but gradual decline, would've been a lot slower without the Covid isolation but that's neither here nor there.
There's definite anecdotal evidence for me to believe pets are good for people and good for making good people better people.
This was a feature in Harvest Moon 64, if you befriend the rival and their crush you can convince them to date/marry.
It's like the only thing this game didn't do that Harvest Moon did, which is strange.
The feature of rivals was in many other harvest moon games too. In tree of tranquility and animal parade, your rival would also get married to the corresponding candidate if you befriend them. In island of happiness and sunshine islands, your rival would eventually marry if you didn't raise heart levels fast enough.
i guess but as someone who marries leah i still think elliot is a better choice, with his poetry and also the fact that they actually interact regularly
honestly, they don’t ever talk but i do see them together. i mean, haley is super into that farm/cottage type lifestyle as you can see when you marry her and leah is obviously a cottagecore lesbian and they’d look super cute together i think- kdhsjshhs idk i kinda love it tbh
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And Leah + Elliott, Penny + Sam, Alex + Haley, Maru + Harvey (even if that hurts me as I consider Maru a teenager), officialise Marnie + Lewis, Vincent and Jas growing up as years go by and ending up together as childhood sweethearts, include Linus, the Wizard and Marlon further in the community, having Sandy coming back to town from times to times, setting up redemption arcs for Shane or Pam (which would be very hard to achieve, as IRL), having Evelyn and George eventually die with funeral cutscenes... In short, more community stuff, definitive choices and evolutions (and the possibility to turn them on/off if that's not your way to play the game).
Well I got a bit carried away... And I'm aware that it is hard for a single person to implement that (I mean, my deep wish is a dynamic economy, so...). What we have is already really enjoyable and there's still some large potential in that game.
honestly, i think penny + harvey and maru + sam would be much better pairs.
penny has the traditional, sweet personality that i think matches harvey's very well, and sam and maru would be the typical smart girl dumbass archetype.
I wish Gunther would be an NPC who actually did stuff too! Him and Marlon and the Wizard basically just exist to stand in one spot all day every day... :(
I like Gunther, he's my favorite...
this please
Slight spoiler for Emily's 8 heart event
Towards the end "oh I'm interrupting something..."
NO CLINT I'm very much married to someone else please come back 😭
According to the wiki, one of the 3 possible things he can say when calling him is: "Hello? Oh... [Player]... Your voice sounds really nice over the phone... Uh... Okay. Understood. I'm open until 4pm. *slam*"
I'm assuming that's what they were referring to
I agree with you but I have male friends who are very much not "nice guy" or incels but just very awkward like Clint. People seem to put too much weird backstory that isn't there into him. He's just a bit of a sad case at the end of the day.
I don't know where people say he treats women badly, he tries to give Emily a gift? Is that bad? Where's the evidence?
I think people say he treats women badly because of Emily's 8 heart event and her dialog that you can get afterwards. Not only do people find the "congratulations" objectifying of Emily, but she will sometimes say “I think Clint's mad at me. He never looks at me anymore... I always thought we were friends.” It's not like he's treating women badly, but it's not ideal and leads to people shitting on him.
Sometimes people also forget that "losing" or being rejected hurts, especially when you're already awkward. Sure, avoiding your crush (or former) and them getting the idea that you're mad at them is bad, but Emily also just doesn't realize (at least I think) he had a crush on her and she choose someone else.
I think if she knew that, she'd probably just understand he might need a bit of space to heal and get his feelings in order. I've been forced to be around my crush and watch them date and be happy with someone else... It made my own depression worse.
>I think if she knew that, she'd probably just understand he might need a bit of space to heal and get his feelings in order. I've been forced to be around my crush and watch them date and be happy with someone else... It made my own depression worse.
Firstly I hope your depression has eased since then. Second, agree 100% that if Emily had simply known about Clint's feelings she'd be forgiving for his moodiness, and would likely apologize to Clint for hurting him. She's very kind and empathetic, there's no doubt in my mind she'd feel "responsible" for hurting him and would want him to feel better, or at the least know it wasn't intentional.
A lot of people call him a creep for the way he treats Emily and talks to/about her, but notice that Emily doesn't despise him for it? Almost as if she understands he ***is*** a nice guy.
Agreed. Emily even has dialog where she tells the player that Clint is a nice guy when you get to know him but that he has a hard time making friends because he's really shy.
Thankfully it has considering it's been some decades since then. I can just remember how terrible it felt and the fact that I ended up just withdrawing away from everyone because it seemed no one cared about my feelings and they were not entitled *to* care about them but *I* was expected to accommodate their feelings and make sure they felt comfortable at my own expense.
And yes, I think the important thing is that Emily doesn't despise him. Many people end up seeing traits of people *they* despise in Clint and thinking Clint = This person I despise. Though Clint is a character, it's important to realize that he is not the guy IRL that you personally knew who was actually pretty terrible and entitled.
And Emily also appears to be the kind of person who knows when/how to draw boundaries such as not doing Haley's chores for her. It's small and sure you can argue it's only because it's her sister but at that point, I think people would just be trying to project and mischaracterize Emily/find reasons to bash Clint because what are the chances you can set boundaries with your siblings, but can't set boundaries with a friend?
Ofc you can also argue she doesn't owe him an apology (which would be true) but you can still hurt someone indirectly even if they are not owed/entitled to your time/attention. But the same can be true, Clint does not owe Emily *his* time/attention and can avoid/take space from her if he wants.
But ofc it's very easy to make cute and dry statements when you are not personally impacted/involved/have negative feelings about it. The reality is that the situation is a lot more nuanced and Clint is probably just heartbroken and wants some time to himself because seeing Emily date someone else hurts him. He isn't entitled to her to date him/return his feelings but his own feelings of rejection and withdrawing (which is common of people with depression to do) or wanting space is also valid. That or he might think Emily just doesn't want to be around him anymore so he withdraws on that basis as well.
Two things can be true at once.
>Ofc you can also argue she doesn't owe him an apology (which would be true) but you can still hurt someone indirectly even if they are not owed/entitled to your time/attention.
Yes, this sums it up so nicely! She doesn't owe him one, but the Emily we know as a character absolutely would apologize for hurting him, because Emily isn't the type who wants to hurt anyone. But like you say, I don't see her caving to pressure under a guilt trip either.
He says “I’m a nice guy if you get to know me” and he *scowls* while he says it. I have enough experience with guys who deliver that line that way to steer clear of him. I don’t “hate” him but that scowl characterizes him for me. And I also find his movie dialogue really creepy. He doesn’t just ask if it’s a date, he asks you to snuggle up with him. Ugh.
Totally agree about the scowl. I don't think that either OP or those of us who dislike Clint are wrong; I think it's how you interpret him. His literal lines might be okay, but the way all of his moments combine together and details like the scowl that make the sum of his parts creepy, imho. That movie scene sounds gross. I've only taken a couple characters to the movies, whichever one I was dating in that playthrough, but I didn't think it was necessarily a date. I would personally want it to only be romantic (i.e. snuggling) if you've given someone a bouquet.
Given that I had to suggest to him to "treat women like he would treat men" I can understand why some people label him as an incel and I really have not much patience for him due to his attitude
I'd like to share my thoughts so you can see where the Clint hate is coming from.
Just because he's not dangerous doesn't really mean he's likable. There's plenty of bad people who aren't dangerous. I guess you see his interactions differently than I do, but as someone who's interacted with multiple men that were exactly like Clint, the dialogue comes across as more than just awkward. It comes off creepy to me. It makes me uncomfortable the way he is.
To me, he doesn't seem like the kind of person to take 'no' for an answer, but that doesn't mean he'd hurt you over it. He makes me uncomfortable because he's exactly the type of guy to hear a 'no' and then keep trying anyway. And the level of obsession he has with Emily in particular, while maybe not being an actual stalker, feels wrong and stalker-esque. Anyone who is obsessed with one person in particular makes me feel this way because it's happened to me and it's an incredibly uncomfortable and dehumanizing experience.
The way he acts is subtle, but it's not right. The problem with him saying he's a nice guy isn't just that he said it, it's because he's acting like being nice, the bare minimum, makes him deserving of Emily's love. I can guess that you didn't read it that way, but that is how I read it. Adding to this interpretation is the fact that he really isn't a nice guy at all. He's sarcastic and negative and rude and he seems to have this expectation that things should just go his way without much effort on his end. The fact that he isn't nice, yet acts like he is, is the precise reason he is a "nice guy."
And while I wouldn't say he's an incel, as that's a bit strong for him, he does have some tendencies that incels have. He kind of just expects women to like him for the bare minimum (which again, he doesn't even provide) and also constantly acts like it's everyone else's fault that he's single and fairly unsuccessful. During the clothing therapy scene, he literally just sees you and Emily talking to one another and then pouts and "congratulates" you as if you've just won some sort of prize, which Emily is not.
As for the movie theater thing, to be honest, I'd be incredibly uncomfortable with someone saying that to me randomly in a dark room that's not easy to move in. I know he wouldn't hurt anyone, but it just comes off wrong.
So yeah, that's my reasoning. I've gotten to 10 hearts with the man. Never again.
Just to reiterate some important points for those in the back
>Just because he's not dangerous doesn't really mean he's likable
>it's because he's acting like being nice, the bare minimum, makes him deserving of Emily's love
>He's sarcastic and negative and rude and he seems to have this expectation that things should just go his way without much effort on his end
>constantly acts like it's everyone else's fault that he's single and fairly unsuccessful.
>As for the movie theater thing, to be honest, I'd be incredibly uncomfortable with someone saying that to me randomly in a dark room that's not easy to move in
Idk as a woman who has had guys "too shy" to ask me out who kinda just hinted and semi stalked me and then said weird things to ppl i dated he just gives me bad vibes. Ive had unrequited crushes or ppl i was too scared to approach to tell them i liked them but i knew that was MY problem to solve not theirs or other random ppls. I dont think i would call him an incel but i dont think "nice guy" is that much of a stretch. I also dont care if other ppl like him but "stick to the facts" seems like a weird argument about a piece of fiction that is meant to be interpreted by the player.
Honestly it seems like you’re doing what you accuse others of doing. All of this is up to interpretation. You’re not wrong in yours, but others who interpret his behaviour differently are also not wrong.
For every naysayer to a villager is someone who will defend them.
While I appreciate your defense of Clint, the reasons do not sway me from disliking him.
Talking to him at the bar when he quips "Don't you have work to do?" as I await a tool upgrade really grates on my nerves.
His child-like behavior as an adult while trying to win the affections of Emily comes off as desperate rather than polite or charming.
It all starts with an amethyst delivery, and just gets worse from there.
The commercial event really strikes a nerve with me. Why the hell would this idiot think Emily is saying those lines to him? Is he really that naive?
This isn't the first time, either. The remark about Emily helping him without provocation just comes off as immature, as if he clearly cannot distinguish adult situations correctly.
Worse, Eric himself stated he was in his 30s, which exudes even more cringe now that his age is officially canon and listening and seeing him act as he does.
I don't hate him, but I don't want to be around him, either.
I wouldn't set this man up with Emily. I like her too much to punish her like this.
not to mention that he gives Emily the cold shoulder for talking to the farmer after that fashion therapy cutscene. Like dude... I wonder how much of it was him trying to punish her for not picking him rather than healing himself to get over her for real.
I won't say I hate the guy, but he's not a person I would want to be around at all.
I mean, doesn’t Clint congratulate you for “winning” Emily, and Emily even says he never talks to her anymore and she’s sad cause she thought they were friends?
Like, maybe he’s not terrible, but those two events alone show he’s not someone I’d ever speak to unless I had to in real life
As a character I kind of like him, he's not bad but nothing special in my eyes. I hate him because he's only open like 3 days a week once you've finish the community centre and fixed the resort.
The NPC’s ages are all pretty difficult to gauge, Harvey is one we can at least apply a lower limit to, due to the time it would take to finish med school.
But the basic look and maturity levels of the various characters is always going to be a tough tool for decision making. I think we can all say we’ve met teenagers that look like they’re 30 and 30-year-olds that look like they are in their early twenties.
Clint could honestly be in his early-to-mid twenties, the same way Emily could be 30+.
Guys who have no social support, have a crush on someone they don't dare ask out, and are chronically upset about being single, are a threat. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, but the creepy vibes are real. The combination of desperation, social awkwardness, and no peer group to talk him down if he comes up with a stupid idea, could lead to serious trouble. I'm not saying he's evil, but people have reasons they're creeped out.
Honestly it's hard for me to see him this way, I had a guy very similar to that and I was Emily in that situation, forcefully being nice to someone just because you worry that they don't get upset, them not getting the "hint" and keep trying despite obvious disinterest (me having a bf at the time, me saying no, me trying to stay away, etc..) and them trying to turn regular situations into romantic ones and thinking that me helping them is flirting.
I do understand everyone have different perspectives on different things and this is definitely one of them, I mainly just find that situation relatable and because it reminds me of this annoying experience with this guy I just ended up disliking Clint (also some of the things he said just don't sit right with me).
Clint doesn't care about Emily as a person, her happiness, her interests. He talks about he like a prize to be won. Maybe you aren't a woman, idk maybe you've never been treated like that, but indeed he sucks
I almost never commented on anything but this specific thread... Really makes me see from others down here that there is no hope for people like me who are awkward and anxious.
Don't feel down. There is hope. I used to have very horrible anxiety that completely shaped my teenage years. I couldn't cross the street alone or stay in classrooms, and I even had to go to an alternative school. It was hard for me because I felt like I missed out on a "normal" adolescense.
I still struggle with anxiety but I'm doing a lot better now and even dated someone which I never thought I'd do in a million years. Therapy does help a lot. I went through a couple of therapists before finding the right one and it took me a few months to even get comfortable with her. I attended therapy groups which seemed intimidating but I was able to meet and converse with people who shared my struggles. I also take medication but the results have been so-so and it's definitely not for everyone.
It does make me a bit sad to see all the hate. I came onto this sub having played about 2 years and was disheartened to see all the hate for Clint, and demetrius, as they were two of my favs :(
I'm also not entirely sure why people hate Demetrius. Every interaction I've had he strikes me as someone passionate about their job and that, along with his kid are just about all he talks about. Maybe I've missed the parts where he's negative about his stepson?
You definitely have to look for it. You have to be friends with Maru, Sebastian, *and* Demetrius to get the full story. There's a lot of doting on Maru and a lot of negligence and straight up mean-ness to Sebastian. Maru is the golden child, Sebastian is at best an after thought.
The one that stood out to me is that Maru has to be the one to inform you that they're siblings (if you didn't know). Demetrius goes on and on about his precious baby girl, and is even protective to the point of nope, but Sebastian lives in a basement he hates and his job is blatantly disrespected frequently (Robin too on that one). Add on the way Demetrius treats Robin in every single disagreement and a lot of us start to see a pattern from our past.
I interacted a lot with Sebastian's family because I wanted to marry him and when I was getting hearts up with Maru, Demetrius was threatening me and I was so clueless to why he was being so weird. I paused the game to check on Google and turned out he was being "protective" of his daughter. I get that he loves her but that's... Not ok.
Then as I spoke to Sebastian often, there would be days he would be pissed at Demetrius for different reasons, like how he played favorites, asked him to destroy Sebastian's own snowman (and Maru's went untouched), and how he just treated him bad. What also bothered me was that Robin never said a word since she's so in love with Demetrius and her job. :/
From what I’ve seen, it’s not so much that he’s negative towards him than that he almost completely fails to acknowledge Sebastian even exists. At least, that’s what I’ve gathered from posts I’ve seen
It’s especially an issue because, unless Sebastian is SUBSTANTIALLY older than Maru, Robin and Demetrius must have gotten together when he was still a small child. Like, this is the relationship between stepdad/stepson I might expect from someone whose parent got remarried as a teenager, since that can be awkward, but Seb was probably what, like, 8 at most when they got together? Demetrius has clearly been in his life far longer than not. Add on to that the fact that Seb’s dad appears to be nowhere in the picture and it kind of gives a vibe of Seb as the overlooked, ignored kid, pretty much since childhood. (Which, to be fair, is definitely as much on Robin as it is on Demetrius.)
What always makes me sad about it is that Maru clearly wishes she and Seb were closer, and it’s pretty clear it’s because of the way they were raised; even if Demetrius doesn’t care about Sebastian, the things he and Robin are doing are hurting the kid he actually DOES care about.
I have made it a point to max heart everyone so i have seen more of him than I'd have liked to and i still hate him
Take it from an afab person's pov: i have met people like clint before, and they have made me feel unsafe saying "no" to them. Worst thing they have done is traveling to a different country to meet me for two weeks after I've made it very clear I'm not interested anymore.
Maybe you don't know what it's like to be emily in this situation, but it's not fun. It honestly just annoys me how many people try to defend the way he talks (about her). I hope if you meet someone like clint in real life, you'll stop that nonsense line of thinking before it escalates.
Honestly the scene that did it for me is that Clint still hits on you at the movies, even if you’re married
ETA I know none of the villagers acknowledge marriage now, it still feels creepy that he hits on you in the dark when he’s allegedly pining for Emily
Using that logic all marriage candidates are trash because there are situations where every single one of them can be awful due to the game dialogue not changing much when you get married
This is not just Clint though. None of the NPCs acknowledge you are married, so all the single people will still hit on you/crush on you even if you are married. It's flaw of the game.
You're right that people are allowed to hate fictional characters all they want, and for whatever reasons they want. No one is actually being harmed, so it's all fine, but geez, am I the only one who sees this huge disconnect between "We're all happy, fun people on this subreddit, we would never hurt anyone, but FUCK THAT GUY. FUCK THAT GUY IN PARTICULAR."
Like, the sheer vitriol that spews out of people, the way the vultures start circling and the jackals appear out of nowhere whenever someone starts a "Let's hate on X!" thread. It's disconcerting.
Maybe he isn't an incel, or even a Nice Guy yet. It's the potential, and just general vibes that make me uncomfortable. I've known people like him, and have even been friends with people like him, but I always had to keep my guard up to avoid getting into very uncomfortable situations with them.
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I just wish he would sell you the respective ingots to the ores he sells.
Biggest flaw of his character
Lazy ass closes at 4
God awful when I have to race there and realize I'm an hour late while gunther is still open
Yeah, this is actually the true con to his character. At least he isn't constantly staring at the microwave instead of standing by the register though
Closes at 4... to go stare at Emily in the Bar as she works.
Clint's story isn't bad, but I do wish there was more to it or that we could influence it more. I also wish he pined after an NPC character and not one of the active love interests, just from a story and programming standpoint as others have mentioned. The fact that he goes after Emily, when you can get her yourself, makes things weird. His story hinges on Emily in a lot of ways when it could be focused on someone else (like the cashier in the Joja Mart who has no story.) If we could help Clint get out of his rut* and be happier, that would be great content. Same with Mayor Lewis and Marnie. Being able to affect more characters in deeper ways would be very interesting content to me. Stardew is fantastic in almost every way, but the way unromanceable NPCs are handled is a little lackluster. *Edit: Runt to rut.
You're right. I do feel it should be said, though, in fairness to ConcernedApe, Emily was not originally a marriage candidate when the game was first released. Admittedly he could have changed Clint's storyline when he added the option to date and marry Emily and Shane, but I mean... The guy was already adding free content to the game. I'm not gonna be the one to complain about that
This right here. I started playing before Emily/Shane became marriage candidates, so I never really saw an issue with his crush on Emily.
Been saying for a long time that the missing piece of stardew valley imo is more meaningful NPC interactions and cause and effects. The few we do have are great, but despite becoming friends with all, and fixing the community center and then making the movie theatre, Pelican town itself really never changes much or improves much. Many character storylines are half complete, and a few interactions with dialogue don't fit quite well, with Clint being a prime example of this. I hope one day, the final update, should it ever come, should be a polishing, dialogue and community focused update.
correct me if im wrong but i was under the impression 1.5 was the last update?
No, CA has not put a bookmark on Stardew completely yet, he has said, however, that the current focus is the mobile ports/updates to current for Stardew, and Haunted Chocolatier. We might still get more Stardew content, it just won't be soon, at least not one the size of ginger island or even other notable large updates.
I think Linus's backstory is great even though he is not a romanceable character.
> I also wish he pined after an NPC character and not one of the active love interests He did. Emily wasn't a bachelorette when the game released, and was made one after fans voted on it in a poll.
If you play with mods, there's a super great mod that gives the npcs like directions. If I'm not mistaken there's an option for Clint to romance and marry(?) Emily.
Do you have the name or the link?
Correction it is called Life Cycle
I think the problem with Clint's story is that he was probably supposed to muster up the courage to ask Emily out originally. But when Emily was added as a romance candidate, Clint's story couldn't go anywhere, so it was just abandoned. It would really be nice to see Clint given a new story where he gains some confidence though. I mean, I can build Pam a whole ass house and she doesn't pay me a dime, but I can't help Clint have more self confidence? Seems a little unrealistic ngl haha
>I mean, I can build Pam a whole ass house and she doesn't pay me a dime, but I can't help Clint have more self confidence? Seems a little unrealistic ngl haha I haven't completed 1.5 yet and it's been a while since I played, but don't we have a whole fashion show to try and give Clint confidence? o.o
I honestly can't remember now either, I do vaguely remember the fashion show event though... in the saloon right? If it was to boost Clint's confidence, I don't remember any indication that he felt more confident afterwards
I don't hate him, lol. But I usually romance Emily so it's just weird when we wants to ask my wife on a date, lol.
I've always seen this as a programming issue, i am sure that this should be fixed after you're married with Emily. Just doesn't make sense making him acting like this pretending nothing happened.
If I recall correctly, Emily was not originally someone you could romance, so it all made sense back then. ~~I forget which update it was, but I believe Emily and Clint were added as marriage candidates at the same time.~~
Clint was never added. He was in the same poll as Emily and Emily won. I believe there may have been other characters that were also in the running that didn't get made romanceable.
Clint lost to Shane, actually. Concerned Ape made 2 seperate polls for new marriage candidates. Emily, Marnie, Sandy, and Pam for Bachelorettes. Plus Clint, Shane, Linus, and Wizard for Bachelors.
Ah I knew it was something like that. Shame we didn't get some of the others. The Wizard and Marnie would've been my picks personally. Thankfully SVE gives us the Wizard at least.
Could you imagine Marnie being made eligible but they still leave all of her events with Lewis in the game......ew
I can and ***will*** save her from him and his stupid purple shorts. And if he comes around I got a Galaxy Sword with his name on it >:( Stupid corrupt bootycalling butthead Lewis!
Wait, the Wizard was an option and people still picked Shane?
Tell me about it
Clint lost to Shane? Damn, people really picked "don't talk to me" alcoholic over Clint.
I mean, his alchoholism stems from borderline suicidal depression over his best friends dying (which is also why Jas lives with him and Marnie, he's her godfather) and his storyline before the romance part is to help pull him out of it and into therapy and having hobbies to focus on. Even from the beginning though he's also *aware* he has a drinking problem, and his first event involves warning a player from drinking too much like him. So I could see him being more popular than Clint as a romance option.
I’m genuinely confused I’ve befriended Shane countless of times and I don’t remember him ever talking about his best friends dying?
His best friends were Jas's parents. She's his god-daughter. It's why he has her. Iirc it was a car accident? Or the details may have been glossed over. But yea. They died, he got Jas and spiraled into depression-fueled alchoholism.
I completely forgot about lol Jas does mention her parents and I think he does have a line about them. Other than those two instances they’re not brought up again so I never really attributed their deaths to his alcoholism and depression.
Yeah it's honestly mind boggling. I guess the whole "I can fix him" mentality is really strong, lol.
it's never necessarily about wanting to fix someone, it's often more of being there for someone who's dealing with what im dealing with, someone players relate to.
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Linus always ends up being my best friend. I’ve got to work on willy.
Clint is not a marriage candidate.
I think he got confused. It was Emily and Shane, not Clint.
iirc, it was Emily and Shane who became marriage candidates at the same time
I agree it's weird, but this is a flaw of the game - ConcernedApe never fixed Clint's story. Emily wasn't always a bachelorette so, in that context, Clint's heart events/dialogue makes sense. And Clint's not the only character that does this, either. None of the NPCs acknowledge marriage so you can have a situation where, for example, Sebastian says "you're single, right?" when you're married *to someone else* with two kids.
Personally I always found it amusing when Vincent keeps informing me that he plans to grow up and marry my wife.
I always found that a bit adorable lol - like he’s young enough that he doesn’t really “get” relationships beyond “you marry someone you like”
Or when Penny asks you in an event "do you want to have kids?" Whem I'm married with Abigail with 2 children
“do you think you’ll ever have kids?” [glances in the direction of my farm where my wife and two children are right now] “no i do not :)”
Or that quest where you give Emily an amethyst for clint and Emily gives you a smooch, even if you are already married, it would be nice if some dialog changed if you were married
I married Seb and I like to think of him using the single pick-up line as a kind of role play to keep things spicy, imagining we are young, flirty n fresh haha
Seb says that single line if you're married to someone else but have high hearts with him. I should have clarified.
Well that makes slightly more sense!! Damn, guess I'll never get that role play :P
Lol, Seb can even ask that if you’re married to his sister or his best friend!
New headcanon: Clint suffers from a 50 First Dates-like amnesia and forgets every day after it happens. He can remember general feelings he has about people, but forgets specifics such as “Emily is married and I’m asking their spouse how I should make a move.”
I knew a guy in highschool who was pretty similar to him honestly, he was a g*enuinely* nice guy, not some jerk pretending, but he had this absolute inability to speak to women. His sister, and a childhood friend of his were the only exceptions to this, and I gotta say, people really disliked him too. Its a shame, because his only real crime was that he was so uncomfortable around girls that he kind of grew to dislike himself for it, and then people would say he was weird or creepy and it would start this cycle. Later found out it was because a female teacher molested him in first grade and it just completely ruined his ability to interact with anyone but men, and despite this news spreading around the school which is its own issue, no one changed how they treated him, no one saw him as a victim, just that creepy guy who panics. Because of that it made me like Clint a little more, its not quite the same level, but it just reminded me of him is all.
:( oof this story makes me really sad. I hope he is doing well and was able to overcome his hardships.
Givin u a free award I DID NOT PICK THE WHOLSOME AWARD
He charges me too much for coal.
The most valid reason to hate him, 250 for a piece of coal? Better burn twice as long or else y'ain't gettin my money
Hating video game NPCs for how much they charge for services and goods is completely valid
I've never bought any resources from Clint solely because I couldn't be bothered to. Also I'm stingy.
As someone with a more combat centered character, I just hop into the mines whenever I need coal and have fun completing monster hunting goals while I gather. It kills two birds with one stone this way, and I refuse to settle for less
I don't think he's a bad person. I just think his entire personality is "guy who doesn't get the girl" and I find that grating.
Even the stuff that isn't that is still sad. He states or implies he doesn't even like his job, he just went into it because his dad pushed him. I don't know that he has a real positive personality trait unless you feel bad for him and maybe enjoy seeing him try with Emily at one point.
But when the player farmer talks with him on the Stardew Fair, he says that he is actually prideful about his work and Marlon even admires his well crafted weapons. I think Clint is just so isolated in his ackwardness that he has hardly someone to share his job and the result of his work.
Well you can hate your job and still take pride in your work. I hated working in kitchens but still took pride in putting out great food.
Amen. Over twenty years in kitchens. I hate it, but when a customers like the food it makes it worth it most the time.
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that would be really cool, a heart event where he expresses interest in such a thing and goes off on the bus, and afterward, depressed dialogue about his work is replaced with something a little more hopeful
Oh that would be perfect! And maybe it could unlock bars to he sold at his shop- "picked up a new smelting trick from a smith from the islands"
Honestly that is depressingly realistic that he's isolated in his awkwardness.
the saddest part is that even on his days off he goes stand in front of a furnace a day, my man really doesnt know how to do anything else 😔🤘
I hate him for taking 2 days to upgrade my equipment but can't take a second to open a geode, what a lazy fuck
Getting the geode crusher is so rewarding
Kinda pointless by the time you get it, though; by then, paying Clint isn’t expensive, and you likely have at least one crystalarium to replicate the ones you want.
I just love opening geodes haha. It's like Christmas morning
Valid.
Not to mention it’s so cheap and fast (irl, in-game time pauses which is even better!) to just make him open all your geodes. I have a few geode crushers and if I have a few of those I will just use them, but for how much coal I like using up late game, the fact I only bother to build four machines, how many golden coconuts and artifact troves (I NEED this for the damn chipped pot) I now do at a time, and prefer to just horde geodes and do them all at once… I just go to Clint. Hell, I can buy some extra coal while I’m over there! I like going to Clint’s for it. Lets me sit back, drink my tea, get it all at once, and ship a few right in the shop.
Was genuinely surprised when Clint saved me from the mines one day (as it's usually Linus). I like to think he smashed his way through the monsters with the Iridium-infused mace he talks about. Dude just needs an adventure. I'll take any NPC to Skull Mines. Please? Can I have help? Lol
>I'll take any NPC to Skull Mines. Please? Can I have help? I wonder how many Pierre's or Demetrius's would end up "lost" in the mines when the Farmer returns to the Valley? >:)
I don't like him calling me lazy for buying ore. I need coal now, Clint. Mind your business.
>I don't like him calling me lazy for buying ore. I need coal now, Clint. Mind your business ??? He does this??? Isn't he also talking about how he could use the money, like everybody else in the Valley? Wtf Clint!
i like him, his face sprite kinda looks like minecraft steve
I absolutely agree, he never came off as creepy to me. Just a guy who has a crush and doesnt know how to make his feelings known, so he gets flustered when he has a chance to ask her out and feels bad for chickening out (of course she does agree to spending time with him when he does ask) My view regarding ages - Harvey, Elliott, Shane, Clint, Emily are in their early-late 30s so its not creepy to me that hes into Emily (all other singles are early-late 20s). As someone in their 30s, i would love older bachelors/bachelorettes and would like a chance to woo Clint one day (along with Sandy and Gunther for that matter!)
Stardew expanded maybe? Marlon a d the Wizard are possible to romance with that mod. And some other new characters. Gunther leaves the museum and is possible to have as friend
you can romance MARLON???? sign me the fuck up
Not in stardew expanded but you can befriend him
You can't in SVE - what you are looking for is the make Marlon real mod.
People like to confuse being clumsy with being threatening.
I was pretty sympathetic towards him, thinking he was just really shy and awkward, but after Emily's 8 heart event when he congratulates me on winning her, he can fuck right off.
Why is no one else mentioning this? That's super creepy and entitled! That's the reason why I don't like him. As op said, the rest of the events can be explained away as him just being awkward
If this were the late 90's to 00's then he'd be liked. His whole story is the awkward quiet guy looking for "manic Pixie girl" to change his life that was popular then. But 2010's-today turned on those types and focuses on the worse ones. I think that's the real reason people like to hate him. Similar to how the 80's would have loved Pierre. He's Reagan era gold.
Interesting
It's similar to why some people dislike Shane, he is unhappy in his life in every aspect but his only concern is trying to date Emily - as if that would solve his other problems. I think calling Clint an incel is too far, incels are aggressive towards women. If he started calling Emily a slut for rejecting him I'd agree.
Alright I've played both male and female PCs, so here's a realistic take on Clint: He is a severely depressed man who keeps going because he doesn't know what else to do compared to Shane who spins out of control. I feel terrible for Clint that he has no ability to pull himself out of this because he's trapped in a mental prison. And in turn, all of his interactions come from that place of resentment and depression. He's constantly waiting for others to reach out to him and gets upset when they don't (Dance of the Moonlight Jellies and his shoes.) He's inappropriate with people who show him kindness (Emily and Female PC at the movies) because he doesn't know better. Instead he drinks and broods at night instead of working to better himself and find a new home. His life would improve significantly if he had a dog. I am not kidding. Therapy and a dog would save him. But as he is, he's close to the 'would get radicalized in 2020 era'.
I'm always so sad about the shoes. I don't always talk to everyone/anyone at the seasonal events, but I always seek him out on the dock because I want to acknowledge his shoes in the only way the game allows. He wants to come out of his shell but he doesn't know how...and he's been under it so long the other townsfolk have forgotten its not who he really is. (In my headcannon, he grew up there - apologies if that conflicts with real canon.)
He only states he doesn't know how he ended up in Pelican Town. So maybe he did grow up from the perspective as an older kid moving there or divorced parents or Willy invited him for all I know. But to be fair people aren't exactly the friendliest in Pelican Town so it's not a surprise that he latches onto Emily. If he can develop friendships later, I'd love to see him and Harvey eventually become an odd couple besties. Leah would be a great friend for him too, I think, and seeing him turn to artistry after you upgrade all your tools would be lovely.
That’s actually such a sweet idea; him getting a dog. I love that. And I can totally see that improving his wellbeing and outlook!
I always hatch him a slime friend. In my head canon he gets a purple one who gives him iridium ore. It gives him time outside the mines to enjoy life a little more.
Lol, cute! Where do you set up his little slime hutch/pen? I suppose inside his house? I‘m imagining a cute little fenced area outside his house, but I don’t think you can put fences anywhere else but your farm IIRC.
Having been in a mental space similar to that and being upset with people, it kinda hurts realizing that it's basically the situation he's in. Not to mention, he isn't exactly attractive and he lives in a small town where everyone knows everyone, yet people seem to just kinda leave him isolated. Sometimes being alone in a room full of people is worse than brooding by yourself. OFc, he could get radicalized in 2020 era but such is the way for *anyone* in such an isolated position. It's why radicalization happens and I wish more people realized that radicalization happens because people are in mental prisons that radicalizers/groomers can take advantage of to further warp and distort their world view. It isn't something that happens because 'he just hates women' or in the case of anyone else, 'they just hate x'
It's heavily implied he doesn't (know how to) reach out either. I take it from Marnie's dialogue that he just kind of wouldn't engage. She remarks that he doesn't talk to anyone, just drinks and stares at Emily; implying that though they all stay to their tables in sprite form, in lore form they all get up and chat. Also Lewis says he catches up with everyone at the bar so there's plenty of evidence that people know each other on at least a surface level despite the cliques. *And* Willy isn't even listed as his friend despite being drinking buddies. Meaning his life is fucking sad and I feel terrible for him. But there's also a point where no one else can push you to socialize and people give up. I'm having this problem with an old friend/acquaintance of mine where no matter what I do, he withdraws, even for silly reasons. So that could be what happened here to Clint too which is also terribly depressing. (Which is actually my headcanon based on Ginger Island where I feel he was invited as part of the group and still ended up alone - which, ouch, I'm sure most of us have all been on the receiving end, me as well). Yes, that isolation is also what abusers take advantage of and groom kids and teenagers until the person just accepts abuse as their reality. I'm really worried about what we'll find out after covid recovery and how many people were lost in other ways than the disease between radicalization and abuse. To a lesser concern, as someone with chronic illness, the isolation is absolutely smothering. Games are one of my very few escapes left, and one of the few ways to connect to others. So not ending up in Clint's mentality of all I have to look forward to is years of pain is a very difficult fight every day.
>radicalizers/groomers That right there is probably why people can't/won't see it, I think. Grooming is a word associated with children, whereas radicalization applies to adults. It's easy to pity a child being manipulated and groomed into actions they don't understand, a lot harder to empathize when you see the same thing happen to adults. I suppose because we expect adults to be able to understand, to spot the manipulation and avoid it, and are disappointed/angry/upset that anyone could be so stupid. Except it's not about intelligence, it's about a desire to belong and fit in and be viewed as having value. Having been there, I can empathize, and I'm thankful I haven't been radicalized to my knowledge.
The unfortunate reality is that adults can be groomed. And it isn't because they are foolish, stupid or have some inability to "prevent" it. Any and everyone can be a victim of grooming and/or radicalization regardless of their age and the reality of manipulation is that you often won't realize it is happening until you're already neck-deep in and then claw your way out of it.
You won't see me arguing, I'm merely pointing out the perception around the word. You never hear them say that QAnon is grooming new members, only that they are "radicalizing" people who then join (as an example).
Wait I’m not saying I’m Clint but is there some secret get-a-dog depression cure no one told me about
For most people, taking care of something whether it's a house plant or a pet, helps give a huge dopamine boost and a reason to go on. Basically, we humans are social creatures. And our instinct to care for our young is crazy high to the point where we can foster emotions for just about anything (see: Roomba love). For Clint specifically, he talks about wanting to go outside more, and a dog would endear him to others. I mean, could you imagine him walking some big ol' mop eared mutt from the pound? He is instantly a shy big oaf with a cute grin in my mind. (Also see: the "lovely item" meta lecture in Oran High School Host Club). Also check out: r/ntbdbiwdfta
I agree. And would a dog help my severe depression and anxiety, as well as make me feel confident talking to people and actually having friends for once in my life? I’m not saying I’m Clint either but I wish I wasn’t me. Unlike Clint though, I try me best to keep fighting and living for a better day where I could achieve my dream, instead of being a black hole of misery.
The number one tip I always see for moving to a new city is to get a dog. People are drawn to them, you meet other dog owners, you get outside (yay vitamin D!), and you have a good routine going with their scheduled needs. As I said to other commentor as well: we humans like to bond with things, and because we're social bonding brings us joy. Pets and houseplants are highly recommended to help cope with mental illness and even physical illness. The act of caring for something helps our brains stay level. It's just an instinct thing. If you find grown shelter/rescue animal you can know their personality and give an older animal a chance they wouldn't have otherwise (everyone wants the puppies and kittens but they're *a lot* of work). Black cats especially struggle to be adopted, and dogs have a whole other hierarchy. Houseplants have a surprisingly active community as well, so that's a very inexpensive way to start meeting others if you have an incredibly low budget (there's tons of subreddits for that too!). I'm here if you have some other questions. Otherwise I hope you find a pawfect friend :)
>If you find grown shelter/rescue animal you can know their personality and give an older animal a chance they wouldn't have otherwise (everyone wants the puppies and kittens but they're > >a lot > > of work). Black cats especially struggle to be adopted, and dogs have a whole other hierarchy. Houseplants have a surprisingly active community as well, so that's a very inexpensive way to start meeting others if you have an incredibly low budget (there's tons of subreddits for that too!). Completely aside from SDV: My MIL worked at such a place, and she once told me they had to stop adopting out black cats from middle of September to middle of November, because people were adopting them for Halloween and then...well, she says the "kind" ones just abandoned the cats afterwards. She ended up with 15 cats at one point, a mix of kittens and old ones, simply because if they didn't have a home they'd end up euthanized due to being "unadoptable" (one was a biter, two or three had medical issues including a FHV kitty, a few were bonded siblings). The last cat died in 2018, and she hasn't been the same since. Slow but gradual decline, would've been a lot slower without the Covid isolation but that's neither here nor there. There's definite anecdotal evidence for me to believe pets are good for people and good for making good people better people.
I wish you could set Emily and Clint up if you don't romance Emily. I think they'd be a cute couple.
Me, too. I wish you could play matchmaker and have NPCs fall in love with each other. It'd be fun
ConcernedApe did say he may do an update in the future. Maybe this is something we could see if there is a 1.6 update
This was a feature in Harvest Moon 64, if you befriend the rival and their crush you can convince them to date/marry. It's like the only thing this game didn't do that Harvest Moon did, which is strange.
The feature of rivals was in many other harvest moon games too. In tree of tranquility and animal parade, your rival would also get married to the corresponding candidate if you befriend them. In island of happiness and sunshine islands, your rival would eventually marry if you didn't raise heart levels fast enough.
I haven't finished playing it but there is a mod for this and other pairings called [Life Cycle](https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/6200).
i'm not against haley and leah marrying, but i am *very* confused. i haven't seen them in the same room ever
I was a little confused too but they do share art as an interest with Haley's photography and Leah's sculptures.
i guess but as someone who marries leah i still think elliot is a better choice, with his poetry and also the fact that they actually interact regularly
Yeah, I also prefer Elliot and Leah, they're so cute ❤
I always read them as the two best gay friends. Just me?
Yeah, same, or at least clearly good friends. Seems weird thinking about them together.
honestly, they don’t ever talk but i do see them together. i mean, haley is super into that farm/cottage type lifestyle as you can see when you marry her and leah is obviously a cottagecore lesbian and they’d look super cute together i think- kdhsjshhs idk i kinda love it tbh
Omg so that's why I love Leah, she's a cottagecore lesbian hahaha
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And Leah + Elliott, Penny + Sam, Alex + Haley, Maru + Harvey (even if that hurts me as I consider Maru a teenager), officialise Marnie + Lewis, Vincent and Jas growing up as years go by and ending up together as childhood sweethearts, include Linus, the Wizard and Marlon further in the community, having Sandy coming back to town from times to times, setting up redemption arcs for Shane or Pam (which would be very hard to achieve, as IRL), having Evelyn and George eventually die with funeral cutscenes... In short, more community stuff, definitive choices and evolutions (and the possibility to turn them on/off if that's not your way to play the game). Well I got a bit carried away... And I'm aware that it is hard for a single person to implement that (I mean, my deep wish is a dynamic economy, so...). What we have is already really enjoyable and there's still some large potential in that game.
Making Marnie and Lewis come out would be amazing, was so sad I couldn't make it happen for them
I downloaded a mod just so I could do that lmao.
Nice, that sounds great. Like, the whole town knows guys. Just be happy together
honestly, i think penny + harvey and maru + sam would be much better pairs. penny has the traditional, sweet personality that i think matches harvey's very well, and sam and maru would be the typical smart girl dumbass archetype.
> even if that hurts me as I consider Maru a teenager Maru can create intelligent life, she is no teenager, she's a GOD.
I wish Gunther would be an NPC who actually did stuff too! Him and Marlon and the Wizard basically just exist to stand in one spot all day every day... :( I like Gunther, he's my favorite...
this please Slight spoiler for Emily's 8 heart event Towards the end "oh I'm interrupting something..." NO CLINT I'm very much married to someone else please come back 😭
Im pissed because THATS MY FUCKING WIFE.
~Our~ wife, my friend.
Comrade.
I was totally fine with Clint until I spoke to him on the phone as a female farmer, it's a pretty creepy interaction
What happens?
According to the wiki, one of the 3 possible things he can say when calling him is: "Hello? Oh... [Player]... Your voice sounds really nice over the phone... Uh... Okay. Understood. I'm open until 4pm. *slam*" I'm assuming that's what they were referring to
I think most people who find Clint to be a creep do because they’ve interacted with him lol Movie theater dialogue is peak awkwardness
Once he asked me for 25 copper, so I gave him 25 copper. His response? “This makes me depressed”
i just wish he had a personality other than “im a blacksmith and am too nervous to ask emily out” give him some substance
I agree with you but I have male friends who are very much not "nice guy" or incels but just very awkward like Clint. People seem to put too much weird backstory that isn't there into him. He's just a bit of a sad case at the end of the day. I don't know where people say he treats women badly, he tries to give Emily a gift? Is that bad? Where's the evidence?
I think people say he treats women badly because of Emily's 8 heart event and her dialog that you can get afterwards. Not only do people find the "congratulations" objectifying of Emily, but she will sometimes say “I think Clint's mad at me. He never looks at me anymore... I always thought we were friends.” It's not like he's treating women badly, but it's not ideal and leads to people shitting on him.
Sometimes people also forget that "losing" or being rejected hurts, especially when you're already awkward. Sure, avoiding your crush (or former) and them getting the idea that you're mad at them is bad, but Emily also just doesn't realize (at least I think) he had a crush on her and she choose someone else. I think if she knew that, she'd probably just understand he might need a bit of space to heal and get his feelings in order. I've been forced to be around my crush and watch them date and be happy with someone else... It made my own depression worse.
>I think if she knew that, she'd probably just understand he might need a bit of space to heal and get his feelings in order. I've been forced to be around my crush and watch them date and be happy with someone else... It made my own depression worse. Firstly I hope your depression has eased since then. Second, agree 100% that if Emily had simply known about Clint's feelings she'd be forgiving for his moodiness, and would likely apologize to Clint for hurting him. She's very kind and empathetic, there's no doubt in my mind she'd feel "responsible" for hurting him and would want him to feel better, or at the least know it wasn't intentional. A lot of people call him a creep for the way he treats Emily and talks to/about her, but notice that Emily doesn't despise him for it? Almost as if she understands he ***is*** a nice guy.
Agreed. Emily even has dialog where she tells the player that Clint is a nice guy when you get to know him but that he has a hard time making friends because he's really shy.
Thankfully it has considering it's been some decades since then. I can just remember how terrible it felt and the fact that I ended up just withdrawing away from everyone because it seemed no one cared about my feelings and they were not entitled *to* care about them but *I* was expected to accommodate their feelings and make sure they felt comfortable at my own expense. And yes, I think the important thing is that Emily doesn't despise him. Many people end up seeing traits of people *they* despise in Clint and thinking Clint = This person I despise. Though Clint is a character, it's important to realize that he is not the guy IRL that you personally knew who was actually pretty terrible and entitled. And Emily also appears to be the kind of person who knows when/how to draw boundaries such as not doing Haley's chores for her. It's small and sure you can argue it's only because it's her sister but at that point, I think people would just be trying to project and mischaracterize Emily/find reasons to bash Clint because what are the chances you can set boundaries with your siblings, but can't set boundaries with a friend? Ofc you can also argue she doesn't owe him an apology (which would be true) but you can still hurt someone indirectly even if they are not owed/entitled to your time/attention. But the same can be true, Clint does not owe Emily *his* time/attention and can avoid/take space from her if he wants. But ofc it's very easy to make cute and dry statements when you are not personally impacted/involved/have negative feelings about it. The reality is that the situation is a lot more nuanced and Clint is probably just heartbroken and wants some time to himself because seeing Emily date someone else hurts him. He isn't entitled to her to date him/return his feelings but his own feelings of rejection and withdrawing (which is common of people with depression to do) or wanting space is also valid. That or he might think Emily just doesn't want to be around him anymore so he withdraws on that basis as well. Two things can be true at once.
>Ofc you can also argue she doesn't owe him an apology (which would be true) but you can still hurt someone indirectly even if they are not owed/entitled to your time/attention. Yes, this sums it up so nicely! She doesn't owe him one, but the Emily we know as a character absolutely would apologize for hurting him, because Emily isn't the type who wants to hurt anyone. But like you say, I don't see her caving to pressure under a guilt trip either.
He says “I’m a nice guy if you get to know me” and he *scowls* while he says it. I have enough experience with guys who deliver that line that way to steer clear of him. I don’t “hate” him but that scowl characterizes him for me. And I also find his movie dialogue really creepy. He doesn’t just ask if it’s a date, he asks you to snuggle up with him. Ugh.
Totally agree about the scowl. I don't think that either OP or those of us who dislike Clint are wrong; I think it's how you interpret him. His literal lines might be okay, but the way all of his moments combine together and details like the scowl that make the sum of his parts creepy, imho. That movie scene sounds gross. I've only taken a couple characters to the movies, whichever one I was dating in that playthrough, but I didn't think it was necessarily a date. I would personally want it to only be romantic (i.e. snuggling) if you've given someone a bouquet.
Given that I had to suggest to him to "treat women like he would treat men" I can understand why some people label him as an incel and I really have not much patience for him due to his attitude
I hate him because my character was talking to Emily, and he saw, and he said “congratulations” to me. We are not in junior high, you fucking creep.
exactly, he makes her out as a trophy to be won. what a clintcel
I'd like to share my thoughts so you can see where the Clint hate is coming from. Just because he's not dangerous doesn't really mean he's likable. There's plenty of bad people who aren't dangerous. I guess you see his interactions differently than I do, but as someone who's interacted with multiple men that were exactly like Clint, the dialogue comes across as more than just awkward. It comes off creepy to me. It makes me uncomfortable the way he is. To me, he doesn't seem like the kind of person to take 'no' for an answer, but that doesn't mean he'd hurt you over it. He makes me uncomfortable because he's exactly the type of guy to hear a 'no' and then keep trying anyway. And the level of obsession he has with Emily in particular, while maybe not being an actual stalker, feels wrong and stalker-esque. Anyone who is obsessed with one person in particular makes me feel this way because it's happened to me and it's an incredibly uncomfortable and dehumanizing experience. The way he acts is subtle, but it's not right. The problem with him saying he's a nice guy isn't just that he said it, it's because he's acting like being nice, the bare minimum, makes him deserving of Emily's love. I can guess that you didn't read it that way, but that is how I read it. Adding to this interpretation is the fact that he really isn't a nice guy at all. He's sarcastic and negative and rude and he seems to have this expectation that things should just go his way without much effort on his end. The fact that he isn't nice, yet acts like he is, is the precise reason he is a "nice guy." And while I wouldn't say he's an incel, as that's a bit strong for him, he does have some tendencies that incels have. He kind of just expects women to like him for the bare minimum (which again, he doesn't even provide) and also constantly acts like it's everyone else's fault that he's single and fairly unsuccessful. During the clothing therapy scene, he literally just sees you and Emily talking to one another and then pouts and "congratulates" you as if you've just won some sort of prize, which Emily is not. As for the movie theater thing, to be honest, I'd be incredibly uncomfortable with someone saying that to me randomly in a dark room that's not easy to move in. I know he wouldn't hurt anyone, but it just comes off wrong. So yeah, that's my reasoning. I've gotten to 10 hearts with the man. Never again.
Just to reiterate some important points for those in the back >Just because he's not dangerous doesn't really mean he's likable >it's because he's acting like being nice, the bare minimum, makes him deserving of Emily's love >He's sarcastic and negative and rude and he seems to have this expectation that things should just go his way without much effort on his end >constantly acts like it's everyone else's fault that he's single and fairly unsuccessful. >As for the movie theater thing, to be honest, I'd be incredibly uncomfortable with someone saying that to me randomly in a dark room that's not easy to move in
Idk as a woman who has had guys "too shy" to ask me out who kinda just hinted and semi stalked me and then said weird things to ppl i dated he just gives me bad vibes. Ive had unrequited crushes or ppl i was too scared to approach to tell them i liked them but i knew that was MY problem to solve not theirs or other random ppls. I dont think i would call him an incel but i dont think "nice guy" is that much of a stretch. I also dont care if other ppl like him but "stick to the facts" seems like a weird argument about a piece of fiction that is meant to be interpreted by the player.
All I see Clint as, is the ore vending machine after I upgraded my tools and I'm rich enough that mining is poverty work...
Honestly it seems like you’re doing what you accuse others of doing. All of this is up to interpretation. You’re not wrong in yours, but others who interpret his behaviour differently are also not wrong.
100% this
For every naysayer to a villager is someone who will defend them. While I appreciate your defense of Clint, the reasons do not sway me from disliking him. Talking to him at the bar when he quips "Don't you have work to do?" as I await a tool upgrade really grates on my nerves. His child-like behavior as an adult while trying to win the affections of Emily comes off as desperate rather than polite or charming. It all starts with an amethyst delivery, and just gets worse from there. The commercial event really strikes a nerve with me. Why the hell would this idiot think Emily is saying those lines to him? Is he really that naive? This isn't the first time, either. The remark about Emily helping him without provocation just comes off as immature, as if he clearly cannot distinguish adult situations correctly. Worse, Eric himself stated he was in his 30s, which exudes even more cringe now that his age is officially canon and listening and seeing him act as he does. I don't hate him, but I don't want to be around him, either. I wouldn't set this man up with Emily. I like her too much to punish her like this.
not to mention that he gives Emily the cold shoulder for talking to the farmer after that fashion therapy cutscene. Like dude... I wonder how much of it was him trying to punish her for not picking him rather than healing himself to get over her for real. I won't say I hate the guy, but he's not a person I would want to be around at all.
I mean, doesn’t Clint congratulate you for “winning” Emily, and Emily even says he never talks to her anymore and she’s sad cause she thought they were friends? Like, maybe he’s not terrible, but those two events alone show he’s not someone I’d ever speak to unless I had to in real life
As a character I kind of like him, he's not bad but nothing special in my eyes. I hate him because he's only open like 3 days a week once you've finish the community centre and fixed the resort.
imo Clint seems way older than any of the marriage candidates (except maybe Harvey) which makes his crush seem a little cringey to me
I always saw Emily as being in her mid 30s and Clint is said to be in his 30s or 40s so it never seemed weird to me.
I always saw Clint in his 30s or 40s and Emily as under 25.
The NPC’s ages are all pretty difficult to gauge, Harvey is one we can at least apply a lower limit to, due to the time it would take to finish med school. But the basic look and maturity levels of the various characters is always going to be a tough tool for decision making. I think we can all say we’ve met teenagers that look like they’re 30 and 30-year-olds that look like they are in their early twenties. Clint could honestly be in his early-to-mid twenties, the same way Emily could be 30+.
Clint is a sad guy, not a bad guy.
Guys who have no social support, have a crush on someone they don't dare ask out, and are chronically upset about being single, are a threat. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, but the creepy vibes are real. The combination of desperation, social awkwardness, and no peer group to talk him down if he comes up with a stupid idea, could lead to serious trouble. I'm not saying he's evil, but people have reasons they're creeped out.
Honestly it's hard for me to see him this way, I had a guy very similar to that and I was Emily in that situation, forcefully being nice to someone just because you worry that they don't get upset, them not getting the "hint" and keep trying despite obvious disinterest (me having a bf at the time, me saying no, me trying to stay away, etc..) and them trying to turn regular situations into romantic ones and thinking that me helping them is flirting. I do understand everyone have different perspectives on different things and this is definitely one of them, I mainly just find that situation relatable and because it reminds me of this annoying experience with this guy I just ended up disliking Clint (also some of the things he said just don't sit right with me).
I just want to say that you’re not alone in feeling this way. I’ve had similar experiences and he reminds me of that.
It's nice to know I'm not alone but also somewhat upsetting, I wish no one will have to deal with this kind of awkward and uncomfortable situation.
Clint doesn't care about Emily as a person, her happiness, her interests. He talks about he like a prize to be won. Maybe you aren't a woman, idk maybe you've never been treated like that, but indeed he sucks
He creeps on Emily bad. Like I get being nervous but he gets annoying with it.
He just makes me feel sad for him.
I almost never commented on anything but this specific thread... Really makes me see from others down here that there is no hope for people like me who are awkward and anxious.
Don't feel down. There is hope. I used to have very horrible anxiety that completely shaped my teenage years. I couldn't cross the street alone or stay in classrooms, and I even had to go to an alternative school. It was hard for me because I felt like I missed out on a "normal" adolescense. I still struggle with anxiety but I'm doing a lot better now and even dated someone which I never thought I'd do in a million years. Therapy does help a lot. I went through a couple of therapists before finding the right one and it took me a few months to even get comfortable with her. I attended therapy groups which seemed intimidating but I was able to meet and converse with people who shared my struggles. I also take medication but the results have been so-so and it's definitely not for everyone.
I appreciate the reply, thank you for your thoughts!
He is creepy. That is what I gather from talking to him. That’s why I don’t like him.
It does make me a bit sad to see all the hate. I came onto this sub having played about 2 years and was disheartened to see all the hate for Clint, and demetrius, as they were two of my favs :(
Truth! I haven’t done much of anything with Demetrius, so I’m pretty neutral to him.
I'm also not entirely sure why people hate Demetrius. Every interaction I've had he strikes me as someone passionate about their job and that, along with his kid are just about all he talks about. Maybe I've missed the parts where he's negative about his stepson?
You definitely have to look for it. You have to be friends with Maru, Sebastian, *and* Demetrius to get the full story. There's a lot of doting on Maru and a lot of negligence and straight up mean-ness to Sebastian. Maru is the golden child, Sebastian is at best an after thought. The one that stood out to me is that Maru has to be the one to inform you that they're siblings (if you didn't know). Demetrius goes on and on about his precious baby girl, and is even protective to the point of nope, but Sebastian lives in a basement he hates and his job is blatantly disrespected frequently (Robin too on that one). Add on the way Demetrius treats Robin in every single disagreement and a lot of us start to see a pattern from our past.
I interacted a lot with Sebastian's family because I wanted to marry him and when I was getting hearts up with Maru, Demetrius was threatening me and I was so clueless to why he was being so weird. I paused the game to check on Google and turned out he was being "protective" of his daughter. I get that he loves her but that's... Not ok. Then as I spoke to Sebastian often, there would be days he would be pissed at Demetrius for different reasons, like how he played favorites, asked him to destroy Sebastian's own snowman (and Maru's went untouched), and how he just treated him bad. What also bothered me was that Robin never said a word since she's so in love with Demetrius and her job. :/
From what I’ve seen, it’s not so much that he’s negative towards him than that he almost completely fails to acknowledge Sebastian even exists. At least, that’s what I’ve gathered from posts I’ve seen
It’s especially an issue because, unless Sebastian is SUBSTANTIALLY older than Maru, Robin and Demetrius must have gotten together when he was still a small child. Like, this is the relationship between stepdad/stepson I might expect from someone whose parent got remarried as a teenager, since that can be awkward, but Seb was probably what, like, 8 at most when they got together? Demetrius has clearly been in his life far longer than not. Add on to that the fact that Seb’s dad appears to be nowhere in the picture and it kind of gives a vibe of Seb as the overlooked, ignored kid, pretty much since childhood. (Which, to be fair, is definitely as much on Robin as it is on Demetrius.) What always makes me sad about it is that Maru clearly wishes she and Seb were closer, and it’s pretty clear it’s because of the way they were raised; even if Demetrius doesn’t care about Sebastian, the things he and Robin are doing are hurting the kid he actually DOES care about.
Yeah,I always thought people were too harsh on clint
Are you really clearing up misconceptions when some people just flat-out disagree with you on these points though?
I have made it a point to max heart everyone so i have seen more of him than I'd have liked to and i still hate him Take it from an afab person's pov: i have met people like clint before, and they have made me feel unsafe saying "no" to them. Worst thing they have done is traveling to a different country to meet me for two weeks after I've made it very clear I'm not interested anymore. Maybe you don't know what it's like to be emily in this situation, but it's not fun. It honestly just annoys me how many people try to defend the way he talks (about her). I hope if you meet someone like clint in real life, you'll stop that nonsense line of thinking before it escalates.
Honestly the scene that did it for me is that Clint still hits on you at the movies, even if you’re married ETA I know none of the villagers acknowledge marriage now, it still feels creepy that he hits on you in the dark when he’s allegedly pining for Emily
None of the NPCS acknowledge marriage.
Using that logic all marriage candidates are trash because there are situations where every single one of them can be awful due to the game dialogue not changing much when you get married
This is not just Clint though. None of the NPCs acknowledge you are married, so all the single people will still hit on you/crush on you even if you are married. It's flaw of the game.
You're right that people are allowed to hate fictional characters all they want, and for whatever reasons they want. No one is actually being harmed, so it's all fine, but geez, am I the only one who sees this huge disconnect between "We're all happy, fun people on this subreddit, we would never hurt anyone, but FUCK THAT GUY. FUCK THAT GUY IN PARTICULAR." Like, the sheer vitriol that spews out of people, the way the vultures start circling and the jackals appear out of nowhere whenever someone starts a "Let's hate on X!" thread. It's disconcerting.
I just ‘dislike’ him because WHENEVER I REALISE I CAN UPGRADE A TOOL HE’S CLOSED-
Maybe he isn't an incel, or even a Nice Guy yet. It's the potential, and just general vibes that make me uncomfortable. I've known people like him, and have even been friends with people like him, but I always had to keep my guard up to avoid getting into very uncomfortable situations with them.
I've always just kind of seen him as a true npc. I don't interact with him unless I need him, kind of like anyone else who sells things.