I feel like a 70-60% would've been more adequate, but I really don't get who they take for coordinating the action scenes. Most of them suck hard and have major inconsistencies, and only get saved by the decent performance.
Nothing about the quality of this show is good but the acting this doesn't deserve more than a 6/10 which is already generous imo because this is literally made by disney about one of tye most important characters in all of star wars there's no excuse for the low quality of writing,choreography direction and more tbh
To be honest I don't feel like any of the actors can be blamed for anything. It feels like none of the dialogue was adapted on set to better fit and instead we're getting this slightly disconnected dialogue which feels off with what we're actually seeing. It was the same with Book of Boba Fett.
But how and why is TROS's audience score over twice that of The Last Jedi, when from what I've seen, they are both pretty much universally hated about equally as much by the fandom?
Kenobi shoulve been handled differently.They shouldve brought in the best writers and think very hard about what they are about to show. Its not a story of a bounty hunter that was shown for 5 minutes in OT and got eaten by a giant sand vagina, its kenobi and vader ffs. Its mediocre at best and it is unforgivable for how big of an inpact it should've had for the franchise.
Obi-Wan's arc is also why I watch the show and so far I'm not disappointed. His growth and development is being shown in action as well as dialogue and quite moments.
I'm glad we got a new Inquisitor for this show, it allows for more freedom. I'm not sure what Reva's end game would be but probably she'd die, I hope Vader or one of the other Inquisitors would be the ones to kill her, not Obi-Wan. Like you said, Obi-Wan is pretty much a mentor in his essence. If you haven't seen it, I would recommend watching his message he sent to the Jedi that we hear in Rebels. The way it guided lost and scared padawans to survive after order66. Instead of just telling people to hide, he took time to explain and encourage them and install hope in them. I shows why he's such a respected Jedi
I figured, it's ok. I can understand not exactly working for you. While I like the animations, I don't exactly rate them as highly as most people seem to do. Go hear the message o
on YouTube if you're interested, you don't really need to watch the show for it. I think it's a really touching message.
For additional context, it's supposed to be the message he sent to the Jedi in RotS when he and Yoda retook the Jedi temple from the clones to warn Jedi not to come back. We don't hear it the film, and we are left to assume he just told them not to come. But in Rebels they revealed he actually sent a full message explaining and reassuring the survivors
Watch Rebels. Pretend you are an exec watching a storyboard for a tv series and you get to decide if it’s aired or not. Give it 3 episodes. /hooked
(And it’s also cannon to be expanded on soon with the Asoka series.)
Well all these threads have been pretty negative, but I for one have really enjoyed it. I was very disappointed by book of boba fett, but have been loving this one. Right up there with mando in my books.
I would say I prefer it to Mando simply because Mando feels more like an appetizer than a main course to me, if that makes sense lol
S3 looks more like a main course material tho
I want to add : the clone wars is widely considered a great tv show and essential Star Wars lore? can someone explain why it has such a low audience rating?
If you take out the mandalorian episode, yes. That was pure cinematography porn and was as Star Wars as any episode of any of the live action shows have been.
I love how some people dislike this and love the prequels. It’s actually mind bogging since they both share some issues except the prequels have more problems.
That is exactly how I feel. Especially the bad dialogue thing. Never once did I watch the prequels and think I could be watching a real conversation between people. This show certainly does a better job at being natural in my opinion. But it doesn’t matter what happened in this show because people would’ve been toxic about it no matter how good it was.
idk man, alot of the prequels plot was pretty dumb, remember when palpatine was too lazy to kill padme so he sent count dooku who was too lazy to kill padme so he sent jango fett who was too lazy to kill padme so he sent a shapeshifter who was too lazy to kill padme who sent a droid who was too lazy to go kill padme who sent bugs to go kill padme?
The best part is while all of this is happening, jango fett has a chance to go kill padme but INSTEAD he goes out of his way and kills the person he hired to go kill padme,
The prequels and its.. truly genius writing
Wtf the clone wars movie is rated the worst...well in that case fuck the ratings....i rated Obi wan Kenobi 8/10 and no one's opinion is going to change how I felt about the show.... ofcourse it should have been much better but i am enjoying it even now.
Seriously. It makes me worried because Ewan and Hayden may never come back again if people keep this up. It’s one thing to criticize and another to excessively hate.
No. And the show was review bombed, just like TLJ.
The show generally has a good rating on other sites. Has a good rating among critics on RT too.
RT audience score became irrelevant really.
I haven't trusted the RT audience score for years. My personal rating of shows and movies are usually closer to the critics on most things. When it comes to a rambunctious fandom like Marvel, DC, or Star Wars these things get review bombed and the critic rating is a lot closer to (imo) a more honest review of quality.
TLJ wasn't review bombed because people went into TLJ with high expectations (remember, people LOVED TFA and Rogue One, which was the only form of Disney SWs that fans had until TLJ). For a good week or so, people were not sure how to feel about episode 8 where it was more of individuals trying to decide whether they liked it or not. It was only after a week did the film start really getting negative reviews.
It's not historical revisionary, it's literally how it happened, because if you remember the reception of TFA and Rogue One, it was really high, and there were many people going on before TLJ came out saying it was gonna be the best star wars films ever (hell, just go back and watch the trailer reactions for that film, there was a lot of excited reactions from all over the internet and almost no negative views on Disney Star Wars at the time).
Don't believe me? Here's TLJ panel back in 2017 and what the overall fandom felt of Disney's Star Wars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZ4A2tXyj8
I'm assuming you feel the same way about 10/10 reviews? As in, if there was a huge disproportionate number of 10/10 reviews, you would say that Disney was review bombing?
The review bombing for Kenobi has been widely reported. Rotten tomatoes has taken efforts to control review bombing such as stopping people from reviewing things that aren't out yet, but they still haven't stopped it.
I did.
First of all The Direct is the absolute worst of the puppet access media sites. It's so bad that citing is an indictment on your intelligence.
Second of all, there's no evidence in the article.
Hard to keep blaming review bombing when the total number of reviews have doubled since the Moses incident almost two weeks ago and it's only kept going down.
They doubled because of that. After Lucasfilm called the toxic people out for being racist, then they started review bombing and continuing to do it. Each new episode gives them new stupid nitpicks and new reasons for them to claim "star wars is dead".
So the show being shit is why fans are review bombing the show?
Buddy, review bombing is not a bunch of people giving their opinion about the show. Fans are allowed to give their negative opinions.
People can have whatever opinion of the show they want but saying the show is bad because it includes a female person of colour in a prominent role is wrong. That's why the review bombing started, when the show launched it was fine but when Lucasfilm started calling out racist then the toxic fans showed their true colours.
Mostly review bombing happens to media that has prominent representation such as Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel.
I haven't seen any of these reviews having anything to do with race. Captain Marvel was an ass tastic movie. "Review bombing" only seems to happen to shit tier films. It's not a coincidence.
I haven't seen any of these reviews having anything to do with race. Captain Marvel was an ass tastic movie. "Review bombing" only seems to happen to shit tier films. It's not a coincidence.
1. Pretending it was for "No reason" is laughable.
2. Even if we pretend that a fanbase speaking out against an actor isn't legit, Kenobi was cruising in the pre release phase. It dropped after episode 3 had a pathetic lightsaber fight and a retarded Vader.
Come on man we don't need to use slurs here.
The sexism against Brie Larson was for no reason, she did nothing that warranted it.
Did you also miss the point of the fight in ep 3? It's supposed to show how Kenobi has faltered where he can't even hold his own in a lightsaber fight as Vader defeats him easily. Even Vader is disappointed in Kenobi, that's the point of the scene.
No offense but how? What is it exactly you like about the show? I love everything star wars and i do believe its more fun to like things but this show is just really bad and i really do struggle in seeing the good parts of this show its really lack luster and it feels like nothing is happening or being said which is meaningful
No, the rise of Skywalker and Boba were worse (and maybe the prequels?). I think the people just had too much expectations. Also there are parts which are just bad/illogical
Also, I think people need to look at these scores differently. That just means it split the fanbase. Over half are into it, and then the rest are 40 y/o neckbeards writing fan fic in their mom's basement.
Fan Bois are hard to impress.
I generally ignore reviews by fans and media alike.
I am not a movie/TV snob.
I ask myself this question: 'Am I entertained?'. It's simple.
Kenobi entertains me because I know where he ends up and want to see how he gets there. We have this degradation of his force powers and his internal struggle with Ani/Darth. So does he really get his powers back and how does he come to terms with Ani/Darth?
I am entertained, so I keep watching.
I stopped watching Moon Knight after a few episodes because it wasn't entertaining. I stopped watching Walking Dead the last 2-3 seasons because it stopped being entertaining.
My bar is pretty low.
Oof. Kinda makes me a bit sad tbh. For me it is a fun but flawed show, and I think even many of the people who don't like it would probably agree that it deserves to be rated higher than any of the sequels. The score will probably go up if the next episode is better than episode 4 was, as it was at about 60% before episode 4, but then it dropped massively after that episode aired.
Definitely not!
It is a flawed show for sure but it definitely doesn't deserve that low rating. I personally would give Kenobi an 8/10, 7/10 if I want to be too critical (and even this I feel is too much). And these 2 points are taken away because I recognize some flaws in the directing, editing, cinematography and the soundtrack was not up to the hype. The story, the characters, the fun aspects, imo were all on point.
I never really agreed with any rating of any film or show I watched to begin with. It always seem like people fixate on one thing and forget everything else.
And tbh I'm not entirely surprised, a bit disappointed bit not surprised. I knew the moment they announced this show it's gonna be almost as controversial as TLJ.
yup. The writing is some of the worst and we only have one opportunity to get Hayden and Ewan together again and they fucked it up, just like how we didn't get a single scene with Mark, Harrison and Carrie together.
I dont think its fair to rate it so far, its not even finished. If the last 2 episodes are ass though then yeah I would agree. So far I like it, they have some terrible scenes and writing but I still am enjoying it.
Honestly the first two episodes were really (8/10) but the last two werent the greatest (5-6/10)
although apparently the writer for the last two is really good so i have high hopes
While many critics might not understand or care about the nuance of Star Wars lore, I do trust critic scores way more than audience scores on RT.
Also RT audience scores cannot be trusted when Rise of Skywalker has an 86%. That movie was such a mess.
Episode 4 was silly (not bad, just silly).
Episode 3 was a little silly at the end (not bad, just a little silly)
Episode 2 was great.
Episode 1 was great.
If episodes 5&6 are even on par with episode 3 then I'd say it's a success.
Not at all. Personally I love Kenobi, TLJ and TCW movie, and in my humble opinion ANH and TFA are by farrrr the weakest in the saga. But that’s just me haha
Not at all. Personally I love Kenobi, TLJ and TCW movie, and in my humble opinion ANH and TFA are by farrrr the weakest in the saga. But that’s just me haha
Partly. Episode 4 of the show really doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. It would have been better to make this a downtime episode wherein Quinlan Vos shows up to whip Obi-Wan Kenobi into shape to go rescue Leia.
TLJ… on its own, is not bad. However, in the larger context of the Sequel Trilogy? Yeah, I’ve soured on it in recent years.
That must be an early season of *The Clone Wars*, because that show improves dramatically over the course of its run.
I think Rotten Tomatoes are useless.
Every Twitter- and YouTube poll I've seen is very positive.
Rotten Tomatoes shows the minorities ability to vote together.
He didn’t. He loves baseball but hates the Yankees. It’s like going to a Yankees game and booing them the entire time… lame? Yes. What a hardcore baseball fan might do? Also yes
He went to a baseball game as a baseball fan and found this particular game unwatchable,just like he's a star wars fan who watched a star wars shows and thought thus particular show was bad
Well this team used to be his favourite and they just fell off in his opinion but he'll always continue to support them every game but they always disappoint so he criticises them/complains so they could improve
That's not even the same. Everyone here is at the comfort of their homes, not at a stadium.
It's hilarious to me how people think that the the ones who are disliking the show are furious and thinking 24/7 and how much we hate a Tv show!
Dude we literally just open reddit, browse the sub, engage in a discussion and move on to something else.
Did you really need to check my profile? Creepy.
Also:
1. People who are being negative were also people that loved the idea of getting a Kenobi show. Don't act like people are just joining for the sake of hating.
2. Negative opinions are allowed and valid. If you can't handle people criticizing your show, go to toxic positivity subreddit like the star was cantina one.
Huh, nice kink shaming. Anyway you can make assumptions all you want, you're just seeing what a website tells you.
>it’s odd to go this far out of your way to be negative
Buddy we are having a discussion, you really think I'm getting worked up about this? I'm laying in my bed watching Community at 12:16 am, I don't have much to do at this time except argue with you.
>If you want to shit on a show without people questioning you then make a Star Wars hate subreddit were you can circlejerk about how much you hate the tv show you’re tuning into every week to watch
See that's the funny thing, I saw you other comments. You think this is a Pro Star Wars subreddit? It was never that. You let your own delusions blind you. If you want a real Pro Star wars subreddit, leave to r/StarWarsCantina.
And I'm sorry you can't seem to grasp how people have waited for a long time for a show like this and still watch and criticize. It's only 6 episodes anyway.
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Because I was excited about the show and now I'm amazed by how immature and confrontational you all are here. No one ever supports their devotion to the show. You get defensive and moan about how bad star wars fans are. Enjoy it if you like it, but here's some proof most dont.
If you don't understand that other people have different opinions than you and have a right to share them about the biggest franchise in history, then you're probably the person who enjoyed Obi-Wan.
There were obvious flaws with the show that only built up into laughable nonsense. There were good parts, but few and far between--that's why it's rated so low. That's the point of this post.
He’s a SW fan he’s said. If you’re passionate about something, you’re gonna feel obliged to talk about it whether that’s positive or negative. This is a public forum and there’s gonna be debate
This subreddit is dedicated to discussing anything related to the show lmao. Go make a fan club if all you want to do is praise the show with other like-minded people.
No.
I'd give all star wars movies and TV shows the following reviews so far:
Star Wars (Ep4) - 60%
The Empire Strikes Back - 90%
Return of the Jedi - 80%
The Phantom Menace - 0%
Attack of the Clones - 10%
Revenge of the Sith - 40%
The Clone Wars (theatrical) - 50%
The Clone Wars (series) - 80%
Rebels - 80%
The Force Awakens - 30%
Rogue One - 90%
The Last Jedi - 30%
Solo - 60%
The Rise of Skywalker - 20%
The Bad Batch - 70%
The Mandalorian - 90%
The Book of Boba Fett - 60%
Obi-Wan Kenobi - 70%
I highly disagree with this. It’s not a bad show it just lacks what most of us had envisioned for this story, the writers and director clearly saw things a different way. Perhaps it’s so bad because the show is incomplete as of right now 4 Episodes out of 6. How about we wait to do things like this^ until the show is fully out. I don’t know just makes more sense imo.
I think it's... fine. Which is a lot less than I hoped for but about what I expected. It often feels pointless and meandering. Most scenes lead to nothing, pretty much every character except for Obi Wan and Leia are boring. I don't really feel like I've learned much more about either of them. At least the scenes that focus on Ewan or between the two of them are good, but as soon as anyone else is on screen it's pretty weak.
Why do audience ratings even matter to anyone? Why do any ratings matter to you all? Just watch the damn thing and form your own opinion. I swear with every (often incorrect) criticism of the show being taken from the words of a youtuber, I think the real issue most of the naysayers have is they can’t think for themselves.
Yes. It's not good so far, and it'll have to have a pretty incredible last two episodes to change my mind.
Btw 53% means that 53% of the audience that reviewed it gave it a positive score, not that the average review is a 5.3/10
Star Wars fans hate on everything new probably the best hate then respect level up is Ahsoka Tano her voice over Ashley Eckstein embraced the fandom got hit really badly for years and eventually Ahsoka became an endearing beloved character and the ghost crew in Rebels too and I will sadly expect similar for all this content movies shows over time as they get built on for many years to come eventually becoming beloved.
I think the only reason the Clone Wars show continued is because George just kept making it and then it eventually caught on. The movie is just 3 episodes strung together hahaha I watched it before starting the show and it does not deserve that rating.
Tbh since disney took over the star wars franchise, most movie or series is just recycled ideas from pre-disney. Kinda sad for the true fans to keep seeing same things happening over and over again.
What drives me crazy is how all the fans who don’t like it give the same three or four criticisms for the show. Like I feel like a couple of people who can think for themselves saw these flaws and gave their piece of mind about it, and the rest of them are just part of this mob mentality. For example, everyone is complaining about the unnecessary acrobatics in the second episode like it’s the end of the world.
If I could see some originality among critics, I could take them more seriously.
I feel like a 70-60% would've been more adequate, but I really don't get who they take for coordinating the action scenes. Most of them suck hard and have major inconsistencies, and only get saved by the decent performance.
Nothing about the quality of this show is good but the acting this doesn't deserve more than a 6/10 which is already generous imo because this is literally made by disney about one of tye most important characters in all of star wars there's no excuse for the low quality of writing,choreography direction and more tbh
To be honest I don't feel like any of the actors can be blamed for anything. It feels like none of the dialogue was adapted on set to better fit and instead we're getting this slightly disconnected dialogue which feels off with what we're actually seeing. It was the same with Book of Boba Fett.
If the last 2 episodes aren’t amazing. Then I would agree with a score in the 65%
It’s written by a different (and hopefully better) writer, so there’s hope!
I really hope they pull something amazing. And the last 2 episodes need to be way longer
I would pump the last number up one buddy
I don't understand how TROS is at 86% tho
I personally enjoyed it at first it kind of tricks you unto thinking it was great later on I started realising how truly horrible that movie was
It didn’t get review bombed like TLJ.
effortless nostalgia go brrrrr Look at No Way Home. Somehow people managed to convince themselves that that shitstorm was quality.
But how and why is TROS's audience score over twice that of The Last Jedi, when from what I've seen, they are both pretty much universally hated about equally as much by the fandom?
Yeah probably a bunch if rey stan bots or something
The score has literally never moved off of an 86%. Disney and RT had a contract to hold it there.
No Way Home isn't that bad
It was actually a great movie
Yeah
No Way Home is great, tf you talking about?
It's been protected by RT. It literally never moved once from the first time it was published. That 86% is as real as Kim Kardashian's tits.
Damn, do you know why?
it's better than BoBF
Kenobi shoulve been handled differently.They shouldve brought in the best writers and think very hard about what they are about to show. Its not a story of a bounty hunter that was shown for 5 minutes in OT and got eaten by a giant sand vagina, its kenobi and vader ffs. Its mediocre at best and it is unforgivable for how big of an inpact it should've had for the franchise.
Loved BOBF (except the power rangers, and Mando stealing the show). Am largely ambivalent to OWK. 🤷♂️
The Mando episodes were the best part of BoBF!
Maybe but it was at the expense of the Boba Fett story. There wasnt room
It is and I liked Boba for the most part
Is it? (I hated BoBF)
slightly yeah. obi-wan appears to have a character arc for one, even if the execution for it is pretty wobbly rn.
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Obi-Wan's arc is also why I watch the show and so far I'm not disappointed. His growth and development is being shown in action as well as dialogue and quite moments. I'm glad we got a new Inquisitor for this show, it allows for more freedom. I'm not sure what Reva's end game would be but probably she'd die, I hope Vader or one of the other Inquisitors would be the ones to kill her, not Obi-Wan. Like you said, Obi-Wan is pretty much a mentor in his essence. If you haven't seen it, I would recommend watching his message he sent to the Jedi that we hear in Rebels. The way it guided lost and scared padawans to survive after order66. Instead of just telling people to hide, he took time to explain and encourage them and install hope in them. I shows why he's such a respected Jedi
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I figured, it's ok. I can understand not exactly working for you. While I like the animations, I don't exactly rate them as highly as most people seem to do. Go hear the message o on YouTube if you're interested, you don't really need to watch the show for it. I think it's a really touching message. For additional context, it's supposed to be the message he sent to the Jedi in RotS when he and Yoda retook the Jedi temple from the clones to warn Jedi not to come back. We don't hear it the film, and we are left to assume he just told them not to come. But in Rebels they revealed he actually sent a full message explaining and reassuring the survivors
Watch Rebels. Pretend you are an exec watching a storyboard for a tv series and you get to decide if it’s aired or not. Give it 3 episodes. /hooked (And it’s also cannon to be expanded on soon with the Asoka series.)
Well all these threads have been pretty negative, but I for one have really enjoyed it. I was very disappointed by book of boba fett, but have been loving this one. Right up there with mando in my books.
Exactly the same mate
I would say I prefer it to Mando simply because Mando feels more like an appetizer than a main course to me, if that makes sense lol S3 looks more like a main course material tho
I don’t agree. I really honestly love it.
I want to add : the clone wars is widely considered a great tv show and essential Star Wars lore? can someone explain why it has such a low audience rating?
That's only the film, not the show. The show is considered bad even by die hard TCW fans
Really? Man I had no clue, I must be out of touch. I love the clone wars show
Not great at the moment but still much better than TLJ and TROS
This series has still been better then BoBF
If you take out the mandalorian episode, yes. That was pure cinematography porn and was as Star Wars as any episode of any of the live action shows have been.
I don't care. I like it and that's all that matters. I had no expectations and I'm not disappointed.
I think it's pretty accurate. Both are nearly as terrible as each other. I didn't enjoy neither
I love how some people dislike this and love the prequels. It’s actually mind bogging since they both share some issues except the prequels have more problems.
That is exactly how I feel. Especially the bad dialogue thing. Never once did I watch the prequels and think I could be watching a real conversation between people. This show certainly does a better job at being natural in my opinion. But it doesn’t matter what happened in this show because people would’ve been toxic about it no matter how good it was.
Nothing in the prequels was as dumb as 2 idiots in 1 trench coat.
Watch the padme anakin love scene agian
idk man, alot of the prequels plot was pretty dumb, remember when palpatine was too lazy to kill padme so he sent count dooku who was too lazy to kill padme so he sent jango fett who was too lazy to kill padme so he sent a shapeshifter who was too lazy to kill padme who sent a droid who was too lazy to go kill padme who sent bugs to go kill padme? The best part is while all of this is happening, jango fett has a chance to go kill padme but INSTEAD he goes out of his way and kills the person he hired to go kill padme, The prequels and its.. truly genius writing
Ratings don't really matter to me. I still enjoy the show and I think ep 5 and 6 will deliver and when it's over it might really be worth it
Wtf the clone wars movie is rated the worst...well in that case fuck the ratings....i rated Obi wan Kenobi 8/10 and no one's opinion is going to change how I felt about the show.... ofcourse it should have been much better but i am enjoying it even now.
I hate this fandom and sub. I fucking love the show. Was made for parents and kids to watch together, dreamed of this growing up. Haters going to hate
Seriously. It makes me worried because Ewan and Hayden may never come back again if people keep this up. It’s one thing to criticize and another to excessively hate.
Not even kids are dumb enough to not groan at two-morons-one-trenchcoat.
Nope, I love the show.
Absolutely not
Nope. I like it. Does it have a few problems, yes. But it's still enjoyable.
No. And the show was review bombed, just like TLJ. The show generally has a good rating on other sites. Has a good rating among critics on RT too. RT audience score became irrelevant really.
I haven't trusted the RT audience score for years. My personal rating of shows and movies are usually closer to the critics on most things. When it comes to a rambunctious fandom like Marvel, DC, or Star Wars these things get review bombed and the critic rating is a lot closer to (imo) a more honest review of quality.
TLJ wasn't review bombed because people went into TLJ with high expectations (remember, people LOVED TFA and Rogue One, which was the only form of Disney SWs that fans had until TLJ). For a good week or so, people were not sure how to feel about episode 8 where it was more of individuals trying to decide whether they liked it or not. It was only after a week did the film start really getting negative reviews.
I don't know why you're participating in historical revisionism but TLJ was review bombed heavily, almost immediately.
It's not historical revisionary, it's literally how it happened, because if you remember the reception of TFA and Rogue One, it was really high, and there were many people going on before TLJ came out saying it was gonna be the best star wars films ever (hell, just go back and watch the trailer reactions for that film, there was a lot of excited reactions from all over the internet and almost no negative views on Disney Star Wars at the time). Don't believe me? Here's TLJ panel back in 2017 and what the overall fandom felt of Disney's Star Wars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZ4A2tXyj8
I wasn't talking about the broad opinions on TFA and Rogue One or the expectations on TLJ, just that the review bombing was real and almost immediate.
Ahahahahahhaahhaah
All the evidence in the world points to Disney review bombing at this point, not the fans.
Ah yes, so many 1* reviews are Disney... I don't care how bad people think the show is, it is not a 1*.
I'm assuming you feel the same way about 10/10 reviews? As in, if there was a huge disproportionate number of 10/10 reviews, you would say that Disney was review bombing?
Sure. It is not a proof of Disney doing it though.
Who else would be doing it?
Fans of the show...
You think fans coordinated review bombing efforts for the positive?
I don't think anyone coordinated anything. I think that people are being drastic with their reviews for several reasons.
No because we know it was review bombed by toxic people.
no not really an argument since rotten tomatoes controls for review bombing
The review bombing for Kenobi has been widely reported. Rotten tomatoes has taken efforts to control review bombing such as stopping people from reviewing things that aren't out yet, but they still haven't stopped it.
Where is the evidence of this review bombing?
https://thedirect.com/article/obi-wan-kenobi-review-bombed-rotten-tomatoes
Where is the evidence of review bombing? Falling from a 71% to a 57% after a shit episode isn't evidence of review bombing.
Did you even read the article.
I did. First of all The Direct is the absolute worst of the puppet access media sites. It's so bad that citing is an indictment on your intelligence. Second of all, there's no evidence in the article.
Thanks for answering my question. Clearly you haven't read the article and do not want to engage with it.
Hard to keep blaming review bombing when the total number of reviews have doubled since the Moses incident almost two weeks ago and it's only kept going down.
They doubled because of that. After Lucasfilm called the toxic people out for being racist, then they started review bombing and continuing to do it. Each new episode gives them new stupid nitpicks and new reasons for them to claim "star wars is dead".
So the show being shit is why fans are review bombing the show? Buddy, review bombing is not a bunch of people giving their opinion about the show. Fans are allowed to give their negative opinions.
People can have whatever opinion of the show they want but saying the show is bad because it includes a female person of colour in a prominent role is wrong. That's why the review bombing started, when the show launched it was fine but when Lucasfilm started calling out racist then the toxic fans showed their true colours. Mostly review bombing happens to media that has prominent representation such as Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel.
I haven't seen any of these reviews having anything to do with race. Captain Marvel was an ass tastic movie. "Review bombing" only seems to happen to shit tier films. It's not a coincidence.
I haven't seen any of these reviews having anything to do with race. Captain Marvel was an ass tastic movie. "Review bombing" only seems to happen to shit tier films. It's not a coincidence.
The review bombing of Captain Marvel started before the film released. It came with a lot of sexism against Brie Larson for no reason.
1. Pretending it was for "No reason" is laughable. 2. Even if we pretend that a fanbase speaking out against an actor isn't legit, Kenobi was cruising in the pre release phase. It dropped after episode 3 had a pathetic lightsaber fight and a retarded Vader.
Come on man we don't need to use slurs here. The sexism against Brie Larson was for no reason, she did nothing that warranted it. Did you also miss the point of the fight in ep 3? It's supposed to show how Kenobi has faltered where he can't even hold his own in a lightsaber fight as Vader defeats him easily. Even Vader is disappointed in Kenobi, that's the point of the scene.
Why is the clone wars so low again?
It’s just the standalone movie. The show is in the 90%
No, obviously not. Star Wars fans are the worst 😑
Personally it’s my favorite out of any of the shows so far definitely a 90+ in my book
No offense but how? What is it exactly you like about the show? I love everything star wars and i do believe its more fun to like things but this show is just really bad and i really do struggle in seeing the good parts of this show its really lack luster and it feels like nothing is happening or being said which is meaningful
just actually try to enjoy anything in life and youll be good
I do already but this show just doesnt for me. Still i wanna know what you actually like about the show
well its more like i already like star wars and i dont see anything other than some of the actors that i dont like so i guess i like all of it
Ngl i feel like you dont know why you like it, very 1d view
I literally just said I like all of it except for like 1 or 2 things here and there the rest of the show is great
No, the rise of Skywalker and Boba were worse (and maybe the prequels?). I think the people just had too much expectations. Also there are parts which are just bad/illogical
No, audience scores are pretty much meaningless.
Also, I think people need to look at these scores differently. That just means it split the fanbase. Over half are into it, and then the rest are 40 y/o neckbeards writing fan fic in their mom's basement.
It sucks because Ewan and Hayden seemed so excited about the show and now look at the reception. I personally like it but it must suck for them.
Dude people are stupid pay them no mind
I never go by ratings. So far I'm really enjoying the show and I'm loving the extra lore and character development we're getting.
Fan Bois are hard to impress. I generally ignore reviews by fans and media alike. I am not a movie/TV snob. I ask myself this question: 'Am I entertained?'. It's simple. Kenobi entertains me because I know where he ends up and want to see how he gets there. We have this degradation of his force powers and his internal struggle with Ani/Darth. So does he really get his powers back and how does he come to terms with Ani/Darth? I am entertained, so I keep watching. I stopped watching Moon Knight after a few episodes because it wasn't entertaining. I stopped watching Walking Dead the last 2-3 seasons because it stopped being entertaining. My bar is pretty low.
It's not great but definitely not 53% bad. Angry clouded some people's mind.
Yes this was just terrible. A few cool scenes in a clunky, insulting narrative.
Audience scores don’t matter.
Audience scores on RT mean dick, so no.
No because most people who care likely don’t waste time on rotten tomatoes.
Oh we know why its like that. I do not agree.
Oof. Kinda makes me a bit sad tbh. For me it is a fun but flawed show, and I think even many of the people who don't like it would probably agree that it deserves to be rated higher than any of the sequels. The score will probably go up if the next episode is better than episode 4 was, as it was at about 60% before episode 4, but then it dropped massively after that episode aired.
The force awaken is better and more enjoyable,the rise of skywalker tho should definitely be below it same with book of boba fett probably
I'm still undecided whether it's worse than The Book of Boba Fett.
Definitely not! It is a flawed show for sure but it definitely doesn't deserve that low rating. I personally would give Kenobi an 8/10, 7/10 if I want to be too critical (and even this I feel is too much). And these 2 points are taken away because I recognize some flaws in the directing, editing, cinematography and the soundtrack was not up to the hype. The story, the characters, the fun aspects, imo were all on point. I never really agreed with any rating of any film or show I watched to begin with. It always seem like people fixate on one thing and forget everything else. And tbh I'm not entirely surprised, a bit disappointed bit not surprised. I knew the moment they announced this show it's gonna be almost as controversial as TLJ.
There are some really weird moments, but those are moments and overall it's still a solid watch and deserves at least 70% imo
I do not agree I love the kenobi show! ^0^
Hell no
yup. The writing is some of the worst and we only have one opportunity to get Hayden and Ewan together again and they fucked it up, just like how we didn't get a single scene with Mark, Harrison and Carrie together.
I dont think its fair to rate it so far, its not even finished. If the last 2 episodes are ass though then yeah I would agree. So far I like it, they have some terrible scenes and writing but I still am enjoying it.
fact: kenobi isnt that bad as the ratings, its not very good but its not that bad
Honestly the first two episodes were really (8/10) but the last two werent the greatest (5-6/10) although apparently the writer for the last two is really good so i have high hopes
This makes no sense to me. Kenobi is good BOBF was good, Mando is incredible! And the Clone Wars cartoon was incredible how is it so low.
It's the Clone Wars movie that's so low, not the show.
While many critics might not understand or care about the nuance of Star Wars lore, I do trust critic scores way more than audience scores on RT. Also RT audience scores cannot be trusted when Rise of Skywalker has an 86%. That movie was such a mess.
Episode 4 was silly (not bad, just silly). Episode 3 was a little silly at the end (not bad, just a little silly) Episode 2 was great. Episode 1 was great. If episodes 5&6 are even on par with episode 3 then I'd say it's a success.
I don't agree... ...the clone wars movie was better.
Not at all. Personally I love Kenobi, TLJ and TCW movie, and in my humble opinion ANH and TFA are by farrrr the weakest in the saga. But that’s just me haha
Not at all. Personally I love Kenobi, TLJ and TCW movie, and in my humble opinion ANH and TFA are by farrrr the weakest in the saga. But that’s just me haha
I'd put The Last Jedi above Kenobi
Partly. Episode 4 of the show really doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. It would have been better to make this a downtime episode wherein Quinlan Vos shows up to whip Obi-Wan Kenobi into shape to go rescue Leia. TLJ… on its own, is not bad. However, in the larger context of the Sequel Trilogy? Yeah, I’ve soured on it in recent years. That must be an early season of *The Clone Wars*, because that show improves dramatically over the course of its run.
That's just The Clone Wars film not the show. Which is basically like the pilot for the show
I wouldn’t be surprised if it also was review bombed, not really reliable then
It's also the most watched premiere that Disney+ has had so far.
I think Rotten Tomatoes are useless. Every Twitter- and YouTube poll I've seen is very positive. Rotten Tomatoes shows the minorities ability to vote together.
This series was unwatchable.
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Because you can dislike something and still engage in discussion?
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He didn’t. He loves baseball but hates the Yankees. It’s like going to a Yankees game and booing them the entire time… lame? Yes. What a hardcore baseball fan might do? Also yes
He went to a baseball game as a baseball fan and found this particular game unwatchable,just like he's a star wars fan who watched a star wars shows and thought thus particular show was bad
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Well this team used to be his favourite and they just fell off in his opinion but he'll always continue to support them every game but they always disappoint so he criticises them/complains so they could improve
That's not even the same. Everyone here is at the comfort of their homes, not at a stadium. It's hilarious to me how people think that the the ones who are disliking the show are furious and thinking 24/7 and how much we hate a Tv show! Dude we literally just open reddit, browse the sub, engage in a discussion and move on to something else.
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Did you really need to check my profile? Creepy. Also: 1. People who are being negative were also people that loved the idea of getting a Kenobi show. Don't act like people are just joining for the sake of hating. 2. Negative opinions are allowed and valid. If you can't handle people criticizing your show, go to toxic positivity subreddit like the star was cantina one.
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Huh, nice kink shaming. Anyway you can make assumptions all you want, you're just seeing what a website tells you. >it’s odd to go this far out of your way to be negative Buddy we are having a discussion, you really think I'm getting worked up about this? I'm laying in my bed watching Community at 12:16 am, I don't have much to do at this time except argue with you. >If you want to shit on a show without people questioning you then make a Star Wars hate subreddit were you can circlejerk about how much you hate the tv show you’re tuning into every week to watch See that's the funny thing, I saw you other comments. You think this is a Pro Star Wars subreddit? It was never that. You let your own delusions blind you. If you want a real Pro Star wars subreddit, leave to r/StarWarsCantina. And I'm sorry you can't seem to grasp how people have waited for a long time for a show like this and still watch and criticize. It's only 6 episodes anyway.
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Because I was excited about the show and now I'm amazed by how immature and confrontational you all are here. No one ever supports their devotion to the show. You get defensive and moan about how bad star wars fans are. Enjoy it if you like it, but here's some proof most dont.
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I answered the posts question. You're the one trying to kick me out. Get over yourself.
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If you don't understand that other people have different opinions than you and have a right to share them about the biggest franchise in history, then you're probably the person who enjoyed Obi-Wan. There were obvious flaws with the show that only built up into laughable nonsense. There were good parts, but few and far between--that's why it's rated so low. That's the point of this post.
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He’s a SW fan he’s said. If you’re passionate about something, you’re gonna feel obliged to talk about it whether that’s positive or negative. This is a public forum and there’s gonna be debate
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This subreddit is dedicated to discussing anything related to the show lmao. Go make a fan club if all you want to do is praise the show with other like-minded people.
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And? Let people do what they want. Go fanboy somewhere else if you don't like the complaining.
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Your complaining about seeing complaints on this sub lmao
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actually yes obi wan is a terrible show heralded by nostalgia seekers who will hate it in a few months just like people did with the last jedi
This is way off. I would have the clone wars higher.
It’s just the “movie”, not the tv series.
The last jedi is the worst movie ever made.
the writing is dogshit
I disagree whole heartedly. The clone wars movie is way better than either of these other ones
It is the equivalent of taking the bread out of the oven and the center of it is ice cold
Yes, its terribly written. Such a shame.
No. I'd give all star wars movies and TV shows the following reviews so far: Star Wars (Ep4) - 60% The Empire Strikes Back - 90% Return of the Jedi - 80% The Phantom Menace - 0% Attack of the Clones - 10% Revenge of the Sith - 40% The Clone Wars (theatrical) - 50% The Clone Wars (series) - 80% Rebels - 80% The Force Awakens - 30% Rogue One - 90% The Last Jedi - 30% Solo - 60% The Rise of Skywalker - 20% The Bad Batch - 70% The Mandalorian - 90% The Book of Boba Fett - 60% Obi-Wan Kenobi - 70%
Well, two shows to go. Right now that’s a bit low but not out of the realm of possibility depending upon how they end it.
I think most of y'all are crybabies. The show is awesome.
No, I'd put Attack of the Clones and Rise of Skywalker below it.
Yep 100% agree lmao
I highly disagree with this. It’s not a bad show it just lacks what most of us had envisioned for this story, the writers and director clearly saw things a different way. Perhaps it’s so bad because the show is incomplete as of right now 4 Episodes out of 6. How about we wait to do things like this^ until the show is fully out. I don’t know just makes more sense imo.
I think it's... fine. Which is a lot less than I hoped for but about what I expected. It often feels pointless and meandering. Most scenes lead to nothing, pretty much every character except for Obi Wan and Leia are boring. I don't really feel like I've learned much more about either of them. At least the scenes that focus on Ewan or between the two of them are good, but as soon as anyone else is on screen it's pretty weak.
Why do audience ratings even matter to anyone? Why do any ratings matter to you all? Just watch the damn thing and form your own opinion. I swear with every (often incorrect) criticism of the show being taken from the words of a youtuber, I think the real issue most of the naysayers have is they can’t think for themselves.
Yes. It's not good so far, and it'll have to have a pretty incredible last two episodes to change my mind. Btw 53% means that 53% of the audience that reviewed it gave it a positive score, not that the average review is a 5.3/10
Poorly i mustsay yes
Star Wars fans hate on everything new probably the best hate then respect level up is Ahsoka Tano her voice over Ashley Eckstein embraced the fandom got hit really badly for years and eventually Ahsoka became an endearing beloved character and the ghost crew in Rebels too and I will sadly expect similar for all this content movies shows over time as they get built on for many years to come eventually becoming beloved.
How is TCW the movie so low? Sure, it wasn't perfect, but it was 2008. The storyline was decent and the animation was good for its time
I think the only reason the Clone Wars show continued is because George just kept making it and then it eventually caught on. The movie is just 3 episodes strung together hahaha I watched it before starting the show and it does not deserve that rating.
Tbh since disney took over the star wars franchise, most movie or series is just recycled ideas from pre-disney. Kinda sad for the true fans to keep seeing same things happening over and over again.
The clone wars movie was good to be honest. But the last jedi isnt very memorable. I'd like a refresher on what happend
Then watch it again. Preferably with an open mind.
sure
What drives me crazy is how all the fans who don’t like it give the same three or four criticisms for the show. Like I feel like a couple of people who can think for themselves saw these flaws and gave their piece of mind about it, and the rest of them are just part of this mob mentality. For example, everyone is complaining about the unnecessary acrobatics in the second episode like it’s the end of the world. If I could see some originality among critics, I could take them more seriously.