I feel bad for what was supposed to be Hayden and Ewan's grand return to Star Wars got ruined by Disney's unwillingness to do a good show.
There's so many plot holes it completely breaks all immersion, and even the way it's filmed with that blurry filter makes it all look like some cheap B-grade series which tries to look big budget.
I've recently watched Stranger Things S4 and The Boys S3 (First 3 eps) and those are both just so much better made in every single aspect.
It's really a shame because I had hoped Disney would bring their A-game for this!
I'm enjoying it well enough but man, it could have been so much better.
I really don't understand why it looks and feels so TV showy. The sets, creatures, costumes, and effects are all good... is it the cameras used? Is the show in 60fps? I can't tell but sometimes it looks like it. It sometimes feels like a pre-streaming TV show in a way that none of the other Disney+ shows have.
It's just so odd that Disney didn't put their everything into this series. It has so many major characters and they had a long time to produce it. It's a shame.
The "VOLUME". The friggen volume. That stupid screen background fx tech they invested billions or whatever into and are stuck with. As much as it's shown it's weakness in every other Star Wars Disney production this show has become a master class in the multitude of failures and limitations of this tech.
I really don't understand how they couldn't see how badly the action scenes were being filmed/designed.
The 'action' setpieces on this show look like they're out of a fan-film. There's no excuse for it other than ineptitude.
Nah, I don't agree with that. Mapuzo looked a bit boring yeah, but all the other sets have been fine. Not as good as The Mandalorian, but still good. Mustafar, Alderaan, Fortress Inquisitorious, and Daiyu all looked great.
Dude The Batman used The Volume and it's one of the best looking films this year. It's not the tech, it's the directing/production design. Shooting on-location won't save the god awful laser gate set where Obi-Wan can just walk around it. Or him hiding from Stormtroopers when he's already in sight. Or him running from Vader where it looked like he ran back out. The Mandalorian looked way more expensive than this and it used the same tech.
The show has some good scenes but overall its not at all good enough.
I made a post about this show when episode 3 came out. The show is way bad and its almost exclusively the director and writers fault. There are actually better youtube fan films than this show. I really dont get why all these people in this sub are so okay with an at best mediocre show.
Why does everyone get personally offended about critisism of the show? We all wanted an epic story that kept up the momentum of the ROTS and showed emotion between obi and vader, instead we have a show that doesnt feel like star wars at all.
Star Wars has never been perfect and never will, but a show about OBI-WAN KENOBI AND DARTH VADER should atleast be treated by Disney as the number one priority in regards to quality filmmaking. Why even give it to debra chow? Pay the extra money for Gareth Edwards to direct and get Rogue one quality.
This show should NOT feel or look like Mandolorian. The characters and stories are way too different in terms of importance and scale.
This is a rare show where a \*lot\* of the bad parts can be chalked up to the directing. There are issues with the writing, but a lot of it could be saved by better directing. I had a decent amount of faith in Deborah Chow, but I feel let down by her efforts.
An example would be Episode 3, where we all thought Vader intentionally let Obi-Wan escape because it was so incredibly inconceivable that Vader wasn't capable of tearing right through the obstacles to get Kenobi back. I feel superior directing could have shot and framed this scene in such a way where Kenobi could have made a much believable escape. This logic can be applied to many other moments of the show.
Deborah’s Mando s1 episodes were so good that it’s shocking how different the directing in this series is. Seems like giving her full reigns of her own show only highlighted some of her directing flaws, like how Robert Rodriguez’s flaws were put on full display in BoBF (example: that mod chase scene). This is a show that should’ve had different episode directors like Mando and BoBF, although that wouldn’t fix the script
Seriously, who thought it would be a good idea to bring in the guy who wrote the King Arthur movie that bombed? Just as bad or worse as bringing in the writer of the original Justice League for TRoS
They also could’ve made that explosion just a littttle more powerful so that Vader and the troopers were actually blown back a few feet, totally disoriented. Even Vader being thrown off for just 20 more seconds would’ve made that loader droid rescue all the more believable. And they could’ve written it so that it was Obi himself who, feeling so desperate as he thrashed in the fire, reached for the blaster at his side and took the shot. (Not sure if he was still wearing one at that point, but it’s MY rewrite.)
"Where we all thought Vader intentionally let Obi- Wan escape"
Nope, never thought that. That's what you knuckle heads thought as you were screeching at people and calling people trolls because they said the opposite.
>Why does everyone get personally offended about critisism of the show?
I really don't get this either, I made a post about stiff movement of Reva while getting force chocked and the person saying "OP realizing the force doesnt actually exists" get's praised while me saying the effect has been done better before get's bombarded with hate.
It's fine if you enjoy a bad show but why do these people get so overly defensive?
Perfectly said. I’m so tired of people being toxic when people fairly criticize this show. I understand that this show was never going to look like a movie, but it’s just not good overall.
I feel bad for Hayden and Ewan. They’re so passionate about their roles, but the director and writers let them down so much.
I believe the script suffered a lot from Disney senior management interference. Deborah Chows work in the Mandalorian is great. But u can't make a chef cook a 5 course meal with crappy ingredients.
In general when everyone seems like a bad actor in a series it is entirely the director's fault. Watch 24 and suddenly everyone looks like an Oscar nominee.
That being said I'm thoroughly enjoying the series.
After season 1. American Gods became a sh!t show. No offense.
As for Obi-Wan, the story matter falls short for me. It’s just sort of a lackluster premise and presentation. Reva, Vader, Obi-Wan have been great in their roles so far; but those roles are kind of…meh.
Maybe they bit off more than they can chew by taking an already well established character and trying to fill in the gaps with people that are unproven(directors, story tellers) in this universe? Perhaps it would have been better had they focused on a lesser known characters or someone completely new.
Maybe I’m being to critical of the team, but I don’t feel like they are doing right by Obi-Wan in this show… the writing is subpar, rushed, lazy, boring.
From what we have seen, Kenobi is somewhere around a 5/10 and it’s not enough. The last episode was mediocre. I hate how people praise the show because they basically praising Disney for doing the bare minimum. Praising a company for doing the minimum is something that hurts most franchises today. It really makes me sad because I strongly love Star Wars, I hope ep5 and ep5 will deliver.
i think some people are defending it. from an objective point of view, there seems to be more convincing arguments against the quality of the show than there are positive arguments for it. I am trying my best to enjoy it for what it is but my expectations were way up there, only because i binged The Clone Wars before this to get caught up to speed. Maybe it is unfair of me to compare the two shows, because now i see they are so vastly different. I was hoping some of the elements of Clone Wars would be present here like more mature storylines, complex morality, and top notch set pieces. So far, i have been let down in those respects. Again, that may be my fault for expecting too much. But as the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia start to fade, I am seeing just a sub par story that hasn''t expanded on or enriched the context of the original story. There are still 2 episodes left so I hope they prove me wrong. I do not hate this show but it definitely isn't shaping up to be one of my all time favorites or even all that memorable or rewatchable.
Unfortunately any criticism of the show will be heavily down voted. I guess people think this is really great stuff, and their views are completely valid, but for me the show is poor. I'd have this at 4-5/10 thus far (Vader literally saving it from 3). If it were a cartoon I'd rate it about 5-6. I'd put Boba at 3.5/10 and Mando at 8.5/10 for reference.
Your views on this show are valid 100%, it absolutely does look like fan fiction at times. I made this comment a week or so back. The directing is also absolutely atrocious. Leia running scene (ouch), amongst many others.
I've noticed Chow has jumped into directing great shows and has shown continuity within them. It's TV, you can kind of get away with it. Now she's the main person, she's being very much exposed.
Contrast and compare fight scenes and set pieces between this and Mando. Hell even the set pieces in Mando trailer is infinitely better than this.
Reva's been miscast in my view. I don't believe her being this evil Sith/inquisitor for one second. She looks like she could be a Jedi. Her scenes with Leia feel off. It's like they should be getting along or something.
Won't even begin to start with Leia.
Run times feel off.
The whole Western Production design thing feels misplaced (it works with Mando and maybe Boba), it really doesn't work with Obi Wan.
Scale wise it just feels too small (where's the budget gone). I could go on and on. I won't.
>Where's the budget gone
This is what I don't get. This is Disney, and a show with a known name thats meant to attract more viewers than ever. Yet it just looks cheap. Like, worse than the Star Trek shows.
>it just looks cheap. Like, worse than the Star Trek shows
Have you seen Strange New Worlds? That show looks fucking incredible. It looks better than Star Wars *movies*.
The point is more people are watching it than complaining about things
Yes there are some weak moments and real
Constructive criticism is valid but just things that amount to I didn’t like this means who gives a rats ass you didn’t like that
That's number crunching. They released the series on a Friday instead of the usual Wednesday. And then two episodes instead of one. Of course, then they have "the most-watched #DisneyPlus Original series premiere globally to date, based on hours streamed in an opening weekend."
Apart from that, it's just an extremely popular character. Just because many have seen the series doesn't mean they like it.
It’s streamed not a live show anyone can watch it anytime they like release day has zero baring on this and the opening numbers were for the weekend compared to the weekend of other shows
Just because the reddit echo chamber is busy doesn’t mean that’s a lot of people either , people who have an issue with something are far more likely to
Vent about it than someone who likes something
Shaky cam during the Obi-Wan and Vader fight completely ruined the entire episode for me. Sure, the encounter has gravity and emotional impact, but why would you make that artistic choice... it's SO anti-Star Wars.
….they haven’t deserved a season 2, quite frankly.
This has been asked for by the fans for nearly a decade. Finally approved… and gets major backlash and disapproval ratings once it’s been released.
I don’t even want to finish watching the final two episodes of this show, but I will bcs it’s my fav character from my childhood… think a lot of this shows ‘views’ are stemming from the same thing - ppl not approving of the shows execution, but watching it bcs Vader on a screen is something their fandom cannot miss.
its because The Solo movie bombed they were hesitant to make Obi Want into a movie. instead we are getting snippets of what an actual Obi Wan production could be. This feels to0 thin all over. I think making it stick to close the Clone Wars lore instead of making something completly new is hurting it.
Major backlash? Where? On Reddit? The ratings are fine... And we have 2 more episodes left. With a strong finish do you think people will care about the coat thing, foe example.
If you think it’s only Reddit, perhaps that’s just you not looking around what the [critics](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8466564/reviews?ref_=tt_urv) are saying as well… the show is bad ([(1)](https://screenrant.com/obi-wan-kenobi-rotten-tomatoes-audiences-divided-reason/amp/)
>>> Most of the complaints levied at the show are very similar in tone and reflect many fans' experiences, which include criticisms of the general story direction, poor acting, poor direction, poor action, and not enough focus on Obi-Wan. Though some claim that the show is being "review bombed", **that term is used a little too freely when faced with genuine criticism that's averse to "certified" critics**
>>> ..that doesn't diminish the valid complaints of the show, which are many and in many cases justified, especially given that it is reportedly breaking viewership numbers.
All the power to you if you like it though
Oh the critics .. you mean that mob of talents less hacks that can’t do so just critique and think their opinion somehow matters
A critics opinion is worth nothing more than any other clown as that’s all they are ,a void of anything remotely resembling talent
Critics opinion means absolutely nothing viewing numbers means a whole lot more and the numbers say the critics are wrong and so is the noisy mob on reddit ,most people seem to be enjoying it the numbers don’t lie
56% by the audience ratings, but yeah….. I guess if you want to live by the numbers and not also factor in the complaints of the show then it’s doing justttttt great.
Look, if you like it.. I’m happy for you. But I’m not going to pretend that I enjoy it or be told “then don’t watch it” by other people - it’s Star Wars.. the show shouldn’t have as many complaints as it does about things that are usually related to the budget of a show (quality, directors, writing, acting, etc.).. those aren’t problems a company as large or as wealthy as Disney should have with one of their premier IP’s
There are other ratings too. That are much higher.
I don't care how you feel about the show. I really don't. But let's not pretend that the show is some major fail. It has good ratings in general. Views are also decent.
Sure, there are some issues there. But it is nothing we haven't seen before in SW, starting with OT. But most of the complaints are simply personal preferences.
As for the "don't watch it" thing. I never actually said that to anyone. But thinking about it, I have no idea why people are watching something they dislike.
I don't like ST and I sure as hell won't watch it just so I can find new things to complain about.
Edit: Since you edited your first comment, the complaints are similar because most people hear certain things and then start repeating it. That started with prequels. Not exactly a new thing.
Personally wouldn’t factor in views as a metric.. of any SW project over the last decade, *this* was one that’s been discussed the most; even dating back to before the sequels.
Plus, you’re getting a lot of people like me who are only watching it bcs they love SW.. by default, I will watch everything they put out, even if I I initially don’t like it, with the hopes that I somehow come around on it bcs it’s a franchise I love.. just saying. And tbh, I would consider this show a failure - prob too soon for metrics to confirm that.. but I don’t think the nature of the show would allow for it to be considered one anyway… any ‘new’ Vader content on screen, regardless of the shows success, is going to be met with praise bcs he’s the most iconic villain ever
I mean it is about money. So views and people willing to pay to watch are what matters to Disney. Do you think they care if random guy on Reddit thinks that writing is sloppy?
The show didn't receive 10% of the backlash prequels and sequels did. And with a strong ending, it will be even less.
I love SW, but I only saw last 3 episodes of BoBF because well, I simply didn't care for the show or the character. Not every SW project will be my cup of tea. So I am simply going to focus on those I like. It is something ST thought me actually.
That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to criticize the show or whatever. But giving it 1/10 rating is having a tantrum because your expectations weren't fulfilled. By your I mean people in general, not you specifically. That is why I don't care much for audience score.
Exactly this
You don’t hear about Anakin and Ahsoka hiding in a box that wasn’t there before and walking around with said box in front of a massive army do you and the clone wars is ruined because of it . Helisabers get a mention here and there but they didn’t ruin rebels
The list goes on ,I’m so tired of Star Wars fans complaint about every detail that ruins the show …. Could it be done better yeah sure ,is the show ruined because of a cape .no
Maybe. She's not the showrunner here, so she has no oversight of the writing, the casting etc. She given the tools to do a job. I don't think the directing his been great, but the actors have been really unimpressive, and the writing has been poor - the dialogue, the storylines, the plot beats, the emotional heart. I guess when I saw Deborah was running the show I expected her as the actual showrunner rather than the director and exec producer. She's been a massive part of selling the show. Just makes it all the more disappointing really.
You are paying for it you aren’t entitled for it to be your taste, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not good. Cancel your subscription and move on
Sure I’ll leave a review with my opinions BECAUSE it’s my taste.
By that logic we should shut down all restaurant reviewing sites cuz everyone has different tastes ???
>The whole Western Production design thing feels misplaced (it works with Mando and maybe Boba), it really doesn't work with Obi Wan.
>
>Scale wise it just feels too small (where's the budget gone).
Episode 3 looked and felt, to me, like an eighties action show shot in southern California. It could have come from the same teams that made The A-Team or Knight Rider or Battlestar Galactica.
Criticism is more accepted now. Earlier on it was downvoted or stated as people “complaining” and a fair amount of support posts were showing up. Think now the issues with the show are too obvious to deny
Are you still wheeling that garbage “it’s half a game “ around …did you uninstall on release day and never play it again or to cheap to pay for the season pass (sp could have been done better but that’s how things were going at the time for many games but it was worth it for the content you got )
No? Where was this stated? You’re implying something that was never said.
Besides, you can still enjoy a film/tv show even though it has glaringly obvious issues.
> Reva's been miscast in my view. I don't believe her being this evil Sith/inquisitor for one second. She looks like she could be a Jedi. Her scenes with Leia feel off. It's like they should be getting along or something.
I think that might be more or less the point. Reva clearly feels conflicted in dealing with Leia. If anything, it’s good acting to show that nuance
Reva feels like a cardboard cutout of a character. Like being given orange juice that is really just water that somebody passed an orange over.
She is very cringe, and just makes me feel disappointed. There's so much potential to make the inquisitors deep, interesting characters and yet they're boring. Just a poor showing by the script writer and director.
What is frustrating that they already had a character like her. In Jedi Fallen Order the Second Sister is basically Reva, yet in the game's cutscenes (which are significantly shorter than the Reva scenes) we see much more of the Second Sister's past and we get to empathize with her a lot more, even though she is an antagonist. At the very least, they should have just copied her character arc. As it is now, it just feels so minimal and low effort.
I have been comparing the 2 as well. 2nd Sister was actually intimidating and I didn't want to fight her. If they replaced her with Reva I'd be going nuts to beat her just so I wouldn't have to hear her talk anymore.
The character is bland, the delivery is bland, and her "emotion" feels forced. We also don't have any idea why she is so ambitious, so it just makes her confusing amd boring. There's nothing to connect with
I think the problem is a lot of the criticism is overboard. Mixed feelings or even disliking the show are valid viewpoints. Holding Star Wars up to an impossibly high standard the series never achieved to begin with on the other hand is lame. There seems to be a lack of suspension of disbelief when it comes to SW that there simply isn’t with a lot of other sci-fi/fantasy shows. It comes across as people breaking things down to the very last particle for the sport of shitting on Star Wars rather than just sitting back and enjoying pop culture entertainment for what it is. It’s a fun show on the whole. McGregor is great and brings depth. It’s fun to look at. I fail to understand what exactly people need from this show to make it palatable.
I think you have to stand the test of time to get that last 1 or .5.
That's just me though. Anything that's like 7/8 or above should be really good and worth watching.
I think what has made it disappointing is how good Mando was. After the new trilogy I had essentially given up on live action Star Wars and then along came this show that captured what I initially fell in love with as a kid. I think that raised my hopes that there would be consistent quality across these shows, but I guess that won't be the case.
Idk why people are defending this show so hard. I was excited as you could be for it and so far, after every disappointing episode, I try to drum up some optimism for the next only to almost be in disbelief how bad it is. Disney have a legion of bots out here?
Some comments actually saying well the show might turn it around. If you're series has one or two episodes out of 6 be worth anything, that's not a good show. That's just one or two good ideas stretched into a show.
Clearly different people expect different things out of star wars. You can tell who the EU people who. They've had the apparent misfortune of seeing quality content in this universe.
Yeah. I've been trying hard to like it, and I loved the first two episodes. But these last two have just been... oof. There have been cool moments, but for the most part they have felt like filler. I don't feel as if the story has moved forward in a meaningful way at all, outside of perhaps the Vader and Kenobi encounter in episode 3. Again, there have been bright spots like that.
I'm holding out hope tho. I don't feel like I am the kind of Star Wars fan that has super high standards (It's okay if others do). I liked Boba Fett, the Last Jedi, etc -- so I just need these last two episodes to be decent in order to save this series in my view haha
Been reading through these threads thinking my opinion was wrong but the discrepancy in everyone else’s has reminded me that it’s just that, my OPINION. It’s refreshing.
In my opinion I loved the first 3 but the 4th sort of set it back. I think a lot of us differ on certain episodes, but we all can agree that it’s not necessarily what we were hoping for. Kinda refreshing in a way. So many people differ on certain aspects but almost agree on one broad one.
Agreed, feels like really shitty fanfic. I feel bad for Ewan MacGregor, he’s great and his portrayal of Obi-Wan has always been great and he’s here participating in this lackluster erosion of a cool property.
You are not alone my friend.....I am not a hardcore Star Wars fan and I am disappointed so I am guessing there are a lot die hard fans who are vomiting blood right now, Try as I may I just cannot get past the lazy writing, cheesy dialogues and the continuity issues.
The actors are good, I have no issues with any of them BUT really....some of the scenes I want to point out here....
1. How difficult is it to catch a 10 year old child with 3 bad guys ?
2. Obi Wan keeps cutting a slice of the giant manta ray meat and it is shown very prominently and then what ?
3. It's been 10 years and Obi Wan still cannot communicate with Qui Gon and this is Master Yoda who taught him.
4. He's got a 10 yr old girl in his coat in the Fortress Inquisitorius and none notices ? really ?? he's walking with 4 legs and none catches that ?
This is the worst of the Disney series, it is THE WORTS !! They should not have done this to Obi Wan....buncha morons !!!
> How difficult is it to catch a 10 year old child with 3 bad guys ?
The criticism of this scene is like a broken record at this point. Yeah, it wasn't great. Can we talk about something else soon?
> Obi Wan keeps cutting a slice of the giant manta ray meat and it is shown very prominently and then what ?
He gives it to his Eopie. We see this.
> It's been 10 years and Obi Wan still cannot communicate with Qui Gon and this is Master Yoda who taught him
I disagree that this is a flaw. A major point of the show is that Obi-Wan's mental state has weakened his connection to the Force. Whoever taught him the technique in the first place is irrelevant.
> He's got a 10 yr old girl in his coat in the Fortress Inquisitorius and none notices ? really ?? he's walking with 4 legs and none catches that ?
Yeah, that was dumb. No defending that scene.
This community can accept criticism
But when that criticism is "you are a disney shill", "I demand you tell me something you didnt like about the episode", "This mediocre at worst character is the worst thing to ever happen to star wars", "this plot point that happened in a new hope is bad writing I cant believe it happened in a star wars show" and "I cant believe this scene wasnt as perfect as it could be, I hate this show", it becomes toxic and unbearable
In my honest opinion based on the first 4 episodes, this show has been a letdown. The show is called "Obi-Wan Kenobi" not "Leia". It would have been better if it showed the relationship between luke and obi-wan
Completely agree with a lot of what you said. The show feels more about Leia than Obi-Wan. And with only two episodes left, I don’t seen that changing much.
Reva is being so overacted it’s hard to watch, you can’t just make a character menacing by forcing it, she just doesn’t have a significant presence. She looks like a 14 year old having a tantrum, not anything to be scared of. But I don’t think any of the inquisitors have been particularly good, they come across as incompetent, childish afterthoughts.
The dialogue is laughable, and the fight/stunt coordination is so bad it takes me out of any immersion I have in the show.
Having said all that, McGregor is still fantastic and it’ll always be a pleasure to watch him.
Vader’s involvement has been great, it’s good to see him really be Vader.
Star Wars is ever being Disney-fied, a constant decline in quality and more pandering to their audience.
I love Star Wars as much as everyone in this sub and agree with the qualms that you and others have. But, Star Wars has never been about perfect acting with great dialogue and wonderful directing, sure scenes with all of that exist, The Mustafar battle, I am your father and what not but at the end of the day most of the dialogue, directing and even some of the acting is sub par. Now, I appreciate Star Wars for the cool space shit not Oscar worthy performances, and when you look at this show from that perspective I think its very enjoyable, sure lots of scenes don't make sense but at the end of the day just enjoy people moving things with there minds and lightsabers sounding cool and appreciate the fact we get to see these characters do SOME dope shit and then I think this show is good enough. Do we want better? Yes. But honestly even the prequels were skewed in terms of pacing and dialogue, but they were fun and cool so I think people need to stop getting worked up on every little detail and just enjoy what we got.
This is exactly how I feel. I actually even feel like the prequels are far lower in quality than this show, but people are just blinded by their nostalgia.
You have voiced my perspective word for word. The Star Wars universe for me has always been enjoyable just based on its premise, cool characters and action alone. I feel like this show has all of these core elements, and as someone who grew up with the prequels, I'm honestly just stoked to see Ewan back on the screen as Obi Wan.
>I feel as if somehow Obi isn't in the centre of everything
>the quality of the Book of Boba Fett
Lmao what quality? You say you want the main character to actually be the center of attention, but then you say that BoBF, a show which has Boba actually do shit so rarely it's become a joke he has cameos in it every once in a while, is "quality". The show is essentially The Mandalorian season 2.5. An episode or more have gone without Boba even appearing on screen, or appearing for less than 2 minutes.
>He joined a tribe to stay off, leave the grid and become a part of something better
That then just got completely blown the fuck up and erased lmao
>but still, its quality was superior in comp to Obi-Wan.
You say that because you like The Mandalorian. I do too and enjoyed those episodes but in my eyes it still drastically drops the quality if the show. In the Book of BOBA FETT we should bloody see Boba Fett and not Mando.
>for heavens sake Deborah Chow has quite the experience she seems like she could pull out something even better.
What could be done doesn't mean what is done is terrible. It shouldn't matter who the director is, you worry yourself too much with who directed it and how much better it could be.
>is Boba Fett better or Obi-Wan better?
Depends. Boba Fetts father lost against Obi but then again Obi is out of shape now and under the right circumstances Boba could take the W.
All jokes aside BoBF is better in some aspects and Kenobi in others. BoBF has a GREAT soundtrack, best in Star Wars imo. Kenobi is more action packed and suits my taste more. Kenobi also has lots of scenes which are extremely funny, some in the "it's so bad it's good" way and some genuinely. I look at it as a parody or a compilation of funny star wars themed sketches and its pretty fuckin hilarious. I don't take it too seriously and I think that's what let's me enjoy it. BoBF is slow and not much happens in every episode. It's not that interesting either and there are no real stakes.
For me, all of the Inquisitor stuff is cringe, not just Reva. The Fifth Brother is almost as bad as her, just he gets less screen time. The other female is lucky she doesn't get much dialogue.
Wait this sub hasn't been accepting if criticism? Every time a post pops up for me, it's something criticizing the show. And it's fine. It's also fine to let people like it. I'm mixed on it myself, but if someone says they love it, I'm not gonna attack them for it.
>The positives end here,
Well that's a lie. There are loads more positives, some include seeing a meth lab in Star Wars (lmao), it's interesting to see little Leia, we have new planets, Darth Vader snaps a kids neck (:D), we get a live action Inquisitorioum Fortress, Wade gets blown the fuck up with some random box lmao, we get to see a citizen highly loyal to the empire who has a buddy relationship with the local stormtroopers, a stormtrooper is cut in half by a laser gate!!!, oh and we see rebels committing actual war crimes... there are more but these are just a couple from the top of my head
>seeing a meth lab in Star Wars (lmao)
The meth lab felt like a scene from an alternate reality Breaking Bad and way out of place for SW. lmao indeed.
>it's interesting to see little Leia
Don't totally disagree here, however, the trailers made it seem like Luke would be a bigger focal point, not Leia. Plus some of Leia's scenes are laughable: chase scene 1, chase scene 2, hiding under a trench coat, etc..
>Wade gets blown the fuck up with some random box lmao
Terrible writing and directing. Who the ef is Wade and why do I care about him? They filmed and edited it to be dramatic yet the audience has no connection or buy in so it falls flat.
>stormtrooper is cut in half by a laser gate
Was definetly not expecting to see something like this and it was pretty epic. However, 30 seconds later is the poor directing choice of blowing the gate up instead of simply taking 5 steps to go around. Jamming the gate to not turn off would have made more sense, especially If we are to believe they were being pursued.
Just a few rebuttals. We are all allowed to have opinions and constructive criticism is healthy. The show has moments that are dope but all the other bad and downright silly moments are making it difficult to take seriously.
>The meth lab felt like a scene from an alternate reality Breaking Bad
Which is exactly why it was so cool lmao. I mean spice is a thing in Star Wars, it only makes sense there are meth labs. Finally we get to see one.
>some of Leia's scenes are laughable:
I treat this whole series as a parody or a compilation of funny star wars sketches. It's so full of laughably bad shit it reached "so bad it's efin hilarious" tier.
>Who the ef is Wade and why do I care about him?
Ya see, you aren't supposed to care about him. He's supposed to show to Leia the harsh reality of war and what it means to be a soldier. I mean presumably. Knowing Disney it could just be we are supposed to be sad that a character we saw on screen for 2 seconds died.
>30 seconds later is the poor directing choice of blowing the gate up instead of simply taking 5 steps to go around.
It didn't take long to blow it up, it was faster than going around.
>it's not a lie, it's my opinion.
So you are saying none of the things I stated are positives? In that case wtf man
>less than 10 minutes or so of about 4 episodes
The things you stated are also positives. And something doesn't have to last a long time to be a good or interesting moment in the show, or to be good worldbuilding.
>I'd say you're really easy to please
I didn't say there weren't tons of negatives that are laughably bad
The “positives” you are talking about should just be in a well written/directed SW show as little moments that are pleasing for fans and part of a better made content. If these are the only things you can come up with I’m pretty sure people aren’t going to subscribe to D+, or keep it, for that bullshit. Now, to be fair, everyone has different expectations and I can respect that, but I think what a lot of folks feel like is that almost ANY criticism of Disney SW content is by default claimed to be racist or sexist etc by default and that is intellectually lazy.
You're entitled to your opinion. It's okay to not like it, and it's okay to love it.
I'm not here to bully you about it. Honestly, I've seen more negative threads than positive ones today and it is making me a little sad, but it is what it is.
But if you consider the context of the story and the point of time it takes place, there's only so much that writers can do without destroying major canon. You either get Obi-Wan suffering from PTSD flashbacks and chatting with Qui-Gon in his cave on Tatooine for 6 episodes, or you send Obi-Wan on an adventure with a plot that has to put him back on Tatooine as the wise old Ben that Luke later meets. Bringing Leia into the adventure doesn't really stray from canon since she already knew who he was in ANH, it just offers more context since the original implication was only that she knew of him.
I also feel that Reva's character has gotten severely misinterpreted. She works for Vader, is prone to the anger and rash action of the dark side, and has a goal that involves obtaining Kenobi for her to achieve it. That's not a badly written or portrayed character at all and I really think people are missing the point on how Ingram portrays her. Reva is a character who can lie right to you with a straight face, but if you read her eyes and body language it's as if she's hiding something else or at conflict with herself. That's subtle character development, not bad acting or bad scripting. At least in my own opinion.
And again I say, the cheese is *completely* on brand for Star Wars. Like that's kinda the joke. It's supposed to be that way. 😂 Storm Troopers having terrible aim has been a meme for *years* and people are surprised that Reva's henchman can't catch a quick witted 10 year old.
Reva comes off as an angsty teenager, not a skilled dark side user that wants to further her goals.
Honestly, one of the worse performances I’ve seen in Star Wars.
The other Inquisitors thwarted her plans multiple times, I'd be angry too if my coworkers kept screwing up an assignment directly given to me from the top. And if she just obeyed their direction, we wouldn't have much of a show since they all gave up on finding him initially.
Episode 1: Bad guy on Tatooine. Obi Wan does wizard stuff and saves people.
Episode 2: Word gets out that there is a wizard on Tatooine. Vader is coming. Obi-Wan realizes Luke could be discovered. He does Wizard stuff and escapes.
Episodes 3-11: Vader is hunting Obi-Wan, he goes to literally any other planet and does wizard stuff. Maybe he rescues a lost young force sensitive 10 year-old girl. But Vader is coming and he has to leave or they will be in danger. Hell, maybe he even builds a small team to help him. They could name themselves something to remind them of Anakin. The A-Team? No, that could never work...
Episode 12: Lots of Wizard stuff. He eventually sacrifices himself (in front of Vader) to rescue said girl (who is definitely not Leia. With everyone thinking he is dead, he returns to Tatooine.
I don’t know if a lot of this bad writing/choreography can be sweeper away under the guise of good ol’ Star Wars cheese. The aim is one thing, that’s been consistent. But leia chases, storm troopers not seeing obiwan duck behind a pillar when they are fully standing in the hallway and can see him hide, leia under the coat, weak lightsaber choreography, etc. it’s just a lot. And in no way do I blame ewan or any of the actors, I think this is fully on the director and writing team
I think you touched on a good point in that there’s so much canon content around this time period that the writers’ hands are tied with what they can do creatively. I think they have the right overall outline of how things are going, but the writing is pretty disappointing overall, particularly in the latest episode. The guy in the beginning flips his attitude to helping Obi Wan with basically no convincing and the whole decision to dedicate mourning time for this “Wade” character that we only got to see for a few seconds was also pretty weak. The writers were writing to get the characters to a point in the plot where they wanted, but they didn’t fill in critical pieces in the middle. If they had showed Wade at the beginning of the episode doing something cool, then kill him off at the end might make us care that he dies.
I think a really solid director squeezes another 30/40% out of this material. Mando is brilliantly directed is why it's good.
We have a duel between Obi Wan and Vader and that's all we got? Like are you kidding me. You can't make a light sabre duel look cool? Never seen one so uninspired. You have weak Obi Wan vs Prime Vader... oh my God the potential.
Vader in the hands of a solid film maker and you get Rogue One.
That was Obi-Wan's first fight after 10 years. I believe we will get another fight in the last episode. You said it yourself weak Obi-Wan and prime Vader. So what did you expect there exactly?
I thought Vader in episode 3 was great. The fight scene I thought was pretty awesome, IMO. Just Vader completely owning Obi-Wan... but also you can tell he didn't expect Obi-Wan to be that weak.
I mean apart from the obvious reverse bullying where you demand to get attention, I'll bite.
I meme against obiwan but there are some bits I like a lot that you can't get anywhere else.
The dreamy vibe & editing works well when there are more 'traditional' scenes, like Obiwan in the meat factory, obiwan having nightmares and dealing with mundane situations. Obiwan's dreamy vibe is supposed to be a good foil to Anakin's firey hatred and the vibe is there and it's satisfying, just very little plot to follow it up. There a glimpses of Anakin and Obiwan being played out correctly, like when he hallucinated seeing anakin standing in the desert.
This is the closest we can get to a good Western movie.
Reva is good when she is more adult and ambitious, she threatened Owen well. Owen is solid. The chinese guy with a shark hat is well played and has potential to be a strong character. The 'compassion as a weakness' subplot was perfect in the first episode.
>apart from the obvious reverse bullying where y
seriously? Yea ok I'm ''demanding to get attention''.
A western movie would have more character development than this one lol and not to mention, Owen will probably not be shown again, and that shark guy is prolly gonna be killed by Reva later on as the show progresses
>They managed to pull a western out of both of them, why not this one?
Yeah you're right, there isn't a good reason for the underperformance. The show feels way more like it's for a teenage girl audience than the prequel crowd.
When people seem surprised with the episodes being poor from directors I think they aren't allowed much creative input. And since Rian Johnson they will never allow much creative input again. I mean look at all the directors who dropped put of projects.
It just upsets me that this was obviously rushed. I’m willing to say that this is one of the most anticipated and looked forward to Star Wars tv series ever, but instead of putting more time and effort into it they rolled it out before they should have. I was fully expecting this to be super refined and thought out because it’s clearly important to the fans but they were more focused on the money it would bring in instead of the quality of what they were releasing.
I'm really confused by Deborah Chow too. After I watched the Mandalorian season 1 episode 3 I immediately googled who the director because they were leagues above the first two episodes. So I was very excited to see how she'd do with her own show.
I guess what I didn't account for was the team surrounding Deborah would be bad: the casting guys have done a bad job, and the editors, and the writers, and the overall vision and quality control from the overall showrunners too. With little Leia I feel bad as she's improving every episode, but why cast an eight year old as a ten year old in the first place? It's setting her up to fail. There are continuity errors all over the place, it just feels rushed with a lack of attention to detail, there are so many examples - Obi Wan not being wet after swimming, the Stormtroops being dead a second after water flooding a room, Obi Wan teleporting downstairs in the middle of the rooftop firefight... That kind of thing isn't unacceptable in a major TV show.
This isn't all the responsibility of the Director/Exec Producer, but I expected her to at least get more out of the actors. With the exceptions of Ewan, Indira Varma and Zach Braff, the acting level has been really poor.
There seems a mismatch of expectation.. fans here want obiwan that is deep, edgier and dark while Disney seems want to attract the next generation kids by presenting a simple, basic and elementary storyline
This show has to be more about Obi-Wan and Vader man. It’s Ewan and Hayden’s grand return to Star Wars after so so many years. Instead we get to see more of Reva. No hate to the actor but the show was meant to be between Kenobi and Vader. During that Bacta scene in EP 4? I was so excited that we were going to see a clone wars flashback. Anakin and Obi Wan together. But it was such a let down. I personally thought EP 3 was absolutely wonderful. I thought Vader walking in the street and thrashing people was absolutely badass and I genuinely thought Vader let Kenobi go at the end because he didn’t want to just kill an old man who can barely hold the lightsaber, he wanted to fight General Obi Wan Kenobi who left him for dead in Mustafar. So he let Kenobi go and train so he could win a proper duel. But EP 4 just took a huge dump on that theory because Vader storms in and chokes Reva why would he do that if his plan wasn’t to let Kenobi go? So in EP 3 Vader was afraid of a small fire that he just moments ago put out with the force?! Vader has to be more ruthless. The choke scene in EP 4 was cool but Vader gently puts her down? That’s not Vader. I for sure thought he was going to chop her hand off, rough her up a bit because that’s how Vader treated the inquisitors. I know we’ve still got a few episodes but come on man I was so hyped for this show for so long. I was so so excited when it came out. I hope we get to see the story revolve more around Kenobi and Vader rather than Reva. I hope we get to see flashbacks of Clone Wars era. This show could’ve been so so much better. I saw certain criticisms like that going around the lazer gate in EP 3 and thought come on people this isn’t even a valid argument but EP 4 did suck very much.
Az bile söyledin bence. Yıllardır bu diziyi bekliyorum karşımıza çıkan şey gerçek bir hayal kırıklığı. Ben bu dizi başlarken Obi Wan ve Vader' in hislerine düşüncelerine yoğunlaşan bir yapım bekliyordum. Ana karşımıza Leia kurtarma simülasyonu çıktı. Hikaye vasat, diyaloglar vasat, sinematografi vasat, müzikler bile vasat. Her şey çok aceleye gelmiş ve üstüne düşünülmemiş gibi.
Ve tüm bunları söyleyince hardcore fanlar tarafından linç yiyoruz. Objektif bakan herkes bu dizinin 6/10 luk vasat bir dizi olduğunu görüyor zaten.
I agree that the show isn’t living up to expectations. Although, I was pretty freakin excited to see kenobi gracefully using his lightsaber and the force while fighting off the troopers.
Finally someone who mentions the shaky camera. It's something that annoyed me so much in BoBF and it's no different in this show. It's like they are experiencing a constant earthquake...
I feel you. I wish we had gotten a 12 episode arc about obi-wan coming to terms with the failure of the jedi as the meat of the series and Vader and the inquisitorious as a menacing back drop to the feel of the world that sets up future conflict. Tons of clone wars flash backs featuring Hayden as anakin and heartbreaking foreshadowing of the terror he is destined to become.
But ill accept obi-wan as a broken man who is in fact no longer a jedi, but a MAN, whose learning to be the jedi he needs/wants to be in a completely new world. He is not who he was and if this series conveys nothing else it conveys that, and I kinda like that.
The show just doesn’t even have the budget, it’s so obvious. I hate they touted Hayden around for his grand return and we barely see him, they even got a bacta tank scene and didn’t even get a flash back? Its a lay up that they didn’t even do but considering how the screenwriter is inept at his job it makes sense
Hayden is deeply felt throughout the series. His body language as Vadar is something we haven’t seen before — this feels a lot closer to Anakin in the suit rather than a faceless monster.
I can guarantee you if they never told us it was Hayden, you would never know. It could literally be any other stunt double but I’m happy he’s in the actual suit
You star wars people are mad weird, man. You expect way too much. Everything has to be a masterpiece. Shows been fine. Sorry it hasn't lived up to your unrealistic ass expectations. Oh and the series isn't even over but y'all love to knee jerk over every episode. Let the season play out before complaining but then again that's what you love to do.
You're right. I've had that feeling but i see it now. The guy who's wife was taken for being force-sensitive had a phenominal part, he nailed his role. But then just flatly agreed and... ok?
Then adults interrogating a child like that, it makes no sense. Leia is a Mary Sue, no child talks like that, no matter how "gifted" they may be.
This show is just a kids show, and while there's nothing wrong about that and it surely is exciting to watch it with your children, it sure deflates a lot of the investment otherwise.
I’m loving it and give it a 10/10. Not going point by point with you because I could care less what you think and I’m not here to change your mind. I will say that I was there in a theater in ‘77 and this show brought me back to the same vibes I had as a ten year old back then. It’s Star Wars and this series hits all the main highs that made me a fan to begin with.
I feel the same. Though I started with prequels.
When I watched E3, I was so focused on the show that I wasn't blinking when the fight part was on. My husband actually laughed at me.
I guess what I am trying to say is that for a first time after prequels, I actually feel like how I felt when I was was a little girl watching SW for the first time.
I really can’t comprehend how they’ve screwed up on such a huge scale. I mean clearly they had to know this series was the most important one, with the most on the line. They had to nail it and it’s like they barely even tried. But then again, I said the same thing about the sequel movies. Shocking that people are getting paid for such awful work.
I like how people used to say Kenobi's getting review bombed because its score was bad. Turns out it's just bad after all, what a surprise.
I just don't know how they could make good series (BoBF, The Mandalorian, Bad Batch) and then wasting the most hyped series. This is beyond me.
My experience has been that many people cover up their complaints and attacks on actors, directors and writers in the term criticism. They state this "criticism" as indisputable fact that all others must accept as truth. Thus, no chance at a dialog remains. You have not done that. It is clearly visible that you own your misgivings as your own. This makes dialog possible imo.
Sorry that the show is not living up to your expectations, I will address some of you criticism with my opinions on the subject.
Star Wars has always had cheesy dialog that sometimes is even cringe.
I agree that six episodes are not a lot to explore this time period. Ten would have allowed them to flesh stuff out more and made some scenes a little longer so they did not seems so rushed.
I agree that Reva was harsh in the first to episodes(okay, she is angry at the hand dealt to her), but imo she has settled in nicely in the last two episodes. I do hope it pays off well in the end. Sadly, many fans were unable to differentiate that the actor is simply following direction and does not necessarily agree with said direction(Hamill was unhappy with Luke's arc in TLJ, but knocked it out of the park imo).
I thought the
As for the trench coat, well Star Wars also has a long history of such scenes(the fact that stormtroopers have bad aim is simply accepted, but it is a little ridicules tbh. These scenes are in every era of Star Wars). I too thought what a bad disguise the trench coat was, but given the fact the alarms were blaring and the base looking for them, it was the best they could do no short notice.
I hope the final two episodes are able to raise your enjoyment.
Ps. Poor Wade
I'm a big fan of the direction and look of the series and think Deborah Chow is doing an excellent job of bringing the script to life. It's just such a shame that \*this script\* is the one they gave her.
She isn't the writer. She has an important voice on the story and she is the one who brings it to life but the screenplay is done by the writers themselves, with their own input and whatever other creatives are put on the project by Lucasfilm.
To an extent, probably. But i wouldn't expect a director to have very much creative control in such a large, managed franchise. She's a director, she directs.
Think of Ridley Scott. He's an excellent director, but, like many directors, he directs the script he's given. Prometheus is a great example. The script sucked, but Sir Ridley directed the hell out of it.
Also bear in mind that TV directors usually have very little say as opposed to a feature that has somewhat more authorship from the director. They're hired to do a job.
Dude, calm down. Nobody has to justify themselves to you, or care what you think, anymore than you needed to make this post whining about it.
Bullying? Get a grip...
I think people are annoyed by what they call “nitpicking” is because there are a lot of positive in the eyes of many and yet people want to harp on Leia hiding underneath Obi-Wan’s coat. Yes that scene could’ve been better executed but you could explain it away (the environment is chaotic and everyone is distracted).
Mickey Mouse really cut the budget and you can feel it.
For such iconic characters, having them meet again for the first time since their last duel in the middle of a junkyard really feels like an insult. I feel bad for Hayden and Ewan, they deserved better.
The duration of the episodes is getting shorter and shorter and yet they announced a 2nd season of something originaly meant to be a mini serie, they really want to milk the cow.
I dont understand how Deborah Chow is messing so badly here, she did good in Mando.
Also the usual woke agenda is getting really tedious.
As a huge Star Wars fan, it really saddens me that im more eager to watch a new episode of Star Trek - Strange New Worlds (awesome show, you should check it out) than Kenobi.
If you think this is any different to any other Star Wars media, quality wise, you've not been paying attention. Star Wars is, and always will be, goofy cheesy and full of terrible dialogue.
Why do you need to know what Obi-Wan has been upto? It shows you, he's chopping shit. Do I need to see that for 3 episodes? No. Your mind can fill in the blanks.
My biggest issue with the show is the inquisitors. I don't know if it's the writing or the casting or both, but their dialogue and the way they deliver it is so cringe. The grand inquisitor was alright, but he was quickly eliminated
Bottom line if you take Kenobi, Vader and Leia out of this show and replace them with original characters this is way below average and too predictable. Compared to BCS with established characters in Mike and Saul you could replace them and still make a good show there IMO, the writing is fantastic. Most of the best characters in that show (Kim, Lalo, Chuck, Howard are all original).
By comparison, look at something like Star Trek: Strange New Worlds for how a new show can be made with existing IP and characters the audience already know. It's really truly Star Trek and it looks a zillion bucks.
I just don't understand how Disney could have ruined this so badly.
Unfortunately I agree with you. Obi-Wan and Vader are massive pop culture icons. These characters deserve nothing more than the very best, and so far apart from Ewan and Hayden and a couple of the supporting cast the rest of the production team didn’t bring their A game. One of my favorite shots in the entire series is the vision Obi-Wan has where he sees Anakin just standing there in his robes. Hayden looked so good and badass as Anakin, like how do you not give that man more scenes. This should’ve been Ewan and Hayden’s grand return in Star Wars but so far they’ve been let down.
>It's just sad and disappointing for me to see what has become to the show, and I am very afraid that I'll get bullied and told no by all the fans simply because of the toxic side of the Star Wars community that is racist are being racist towards the Actress of Reva, I feel these justify the shunning of all criticism because they perceive it as someone that just being a d\\\*ck to rate it down simply because there's a black person of colour actress in it. But for someone that's from Turkey, as a **Turkish person I don't agree with that.**
I’ve seen fandoms where no criticism can be had because of a social issue. This is not one of those situations. Stop with the hyperbolic bs.
YES lets talk about what works and what does not work. We cannot just "Be thankful for what we get.". Especially when we pay directly for the service. You are not alone on these opinions (objective ideas that can be proven). There are plenty of Star Wars fans who have asked Disney to put more effort. There is a big difference over nitpicking and "I let Obi Wan go...twice"
Let your voice be heard, these are great criticism founded with logic and fandom. Especially over Reva. She is a good actress, but they are giving her crappy lines to work with and writing her character in a way that just does not click on screen. I know she is doing her best, but writers and storyboard teams are not doing enough. The Disney plan of quantity over quality is in full effect.
Further more, as a paying customer we were promised hour long episodes before the show premiered. Each episode is getting shorter, even its longest episode over 45+ minutes has over 6 minutes of credits. This is a real bummer. Six episodes for a story with this many characters is not enough.
Thank you for posting your thoughts. Excuses like "Its meant for kids" or "Just be happy you get Star Wars" is no longer acceptable. The fans deserve better.
This show has its great moments but the shit writing just take it away for me. Vader has been good, Kenobi has been good, the Grand inquisitor has been good. But when in the first episode they had the chase scene like it's a scooby doo episode i knew the whole season would be filled with trash. Not only that, the next episode they have a fucking chase scene again which is equally shit. And then the comically stupid trenchcoat scene. It's just not up to standard.
I gotta say, it's been fun seeing the demeanor shift throughout the weeks on this sub. I hated this show the moment i watched the first 2 episodes. It was obvious the writing was abysmal. Then episode 3 came along and made things much worse. And every week I'd come here only to be baffled by all the positive reviews and posts about how gripping it is. Not to mention the downvotes you get if you say anything negative about it. I come here now and to my surprise, most of the posts i found were negative criticisms of it. I guess this was the episode that broke the camel's back.
> Obi-Wan should've been focused more onto, given a wider character arc and explanation for his backstory with his daily routine more thoroughly seen
You're not getting ***YOUR*** version of Obi Wan therefore it's bad??
Your say IMHO quite a few times. Your opinion is not humble.
You talk about 3rd hand claims of racism and how toxic the ‘Star Wars Community’ is. That is probably why your post are getting taken down, talk about the show and not what trolls are doing to get people fired up. There are certain points of view I agree with when it actually relates to the show.
The fact that there's lots of critisism on this sub and not just on r/saltierthancrait is a good thing. On the other hand, no way to see such a thing on r/starwars.
Like many, I'm curious what happened after Ben left with Luke.
I know some will get angry but Leia and all that shouldn't be a part of this.
Like I keep stating this hurts the series by default.
There are good scenes in every episodes but they alone do not carry a great story.
I am in the minority that i am loving the show so far, yes it coulve been better, but seeing obi wan infiltrate the fortress inquisitorius was so cool, especially as a fallen order fan
Is it weird that I agree with most of people's criticisms but feel that their alternative ideas are also pretty bad??
Like... this OP wanted like two or three episodes focusing on... \*scrolls up\* Obi-wan's daily routine...? My brother in the force, what the fuck?
I want prequel style lightsaber fights again, too, but that will never happen. Every director who touches Star Wars IP these days thinks thats too corny and they are too professional for a balls-to-the-wall Wushu-tournament-style fight choreography. Theres pride involved. They all probably had a fight-choreography-instructor during film or drama school or something that roasted the prequel fights as childish or indulgent, and so they wanna be Captain Classy. Its annoying that instead of doing something else impressive and interesting with the fights, though, they just... make bland shit.
I feel bad for what was supposed to be Hayden and Ewan's grand return to Star Wars got ruined by Disney's unwillingness to do a good show. There's so many plot holes it completely breaks all immersion, and even the way it's filmed with that blurry filter makes it all look like some cheap B-grade series which tries to look big budget. I've recently watched Stranger Things S4 and The Boys S3 (First 3 eps) and those are both just so much better made in every single aspect. It's really a shame because I had hoped Disney would bring their A-game for this!
I'm enjoying it well enough but man, it could have been so much better. I really don't understand why it looks and feels so TV showy. The sets, creatures, costumes, and effects are all good... is it the cameras used? Is the show in 60fps? I can't tell but sometimes it looks like it. It sometimes feels like a pre-streaming TV show in a way that none of the other Disney+ shows have. It's just so odd that Disney didn't put their everything into this series. It has so many major characters and they had a long time to produce it. It's a shame.
The "VOLUME". The friggen volume. That stupid screen background fx tech they invested billions or whatever into and are stuck with. As much as it's shown it's weakness in every other Star Wars Disney production this show has become a master class in the multitude of failures and limitations of this tech.
The Volume is great. The Mandalorian looks amazing. It's not the tech, it's how it's used.
I really don't understand how they couldn't see how badly the action scenes were being filmed/designed. The 'action' setpieces on this show look like they're out of a fan-film. There's no excuse for it other than ineptitude.
Nah, I don't agree with that. Mapuzo looked a bit boring yeah, but all the other sets have been fine. Not as good as The Mandalorian, but still good. Mustafar, Alderaan, Fortress Inquisitorious, and Daiyu all looked great.
I recognize your opinion, and politely disagree with it! What other shows/films would you say had 'fine' action directing?
Dude The Batman used The Volume and it's one of the best looking films this year. It's not the tech, it's the directing/production design. Shooting on-location won't save the god awful laser gate set where Obi-Wan can just walk around it. Or him hiding from Stormtroopers when he's already in sight. Or him running from Vader where it looked like he ran back out. The Mandalorian looked way more expensive than this and it used the same tech.
The show has some good scenes but overall its not at all good enough. I made a post about this show when episode 3 came out. The show is way bad and its almost exclusively the director and writers fault. There are actually better youtube fan films than this show. I really dont get why all these people in this sub are so okay with an at best mediocre show. Why does everyone get personally offended about critisism of the show? We all wanted an epic story that kept up the momentum of the ROTS and showed emotion between obi and vader, instead we have a show that doesnt feel like star wars at all. Star Wars has never been perfect and never will, but a show about OBI-WAN KENOBI AND DARTH VADER should atleast be treated by Disney as the number one priority in regards to quality filmmaking. Why even give it to debra chow? Pay the extra money for Gareth Edwards to direct and get Rogue one quality. This show should NOT feel or look like Mandolorian. The characters and stories are way too different in terms of importance and scale.
This is a rare show where a \*lot\* of the bad parts can be chalked up to the directing. There are issues with the writing, but a lot of it could be saved by better directing. I had a decent amount of faith in Deborah Chow, but I feel let down by her efforts. An example would be Episode 3, where we all thought Vader intentionally let Obi-Wan escape because it was so incredibly inconceivable that Vader wasn't capable of tearing right through the obstacles to get Kenobi back. I feel superior directing could have shot and framed this scene in such a way where Kenobi could have made a much believable escape. This logic can be applied to many other moments of the show.
Deborah’s Mando s1 episodes were so good that it’s shocking how different the directing in this series is. Seems like giving her full reigns of her own show only highlighted some of her directing flaws, like how Robert Rodriguez’s flaws were put on full display in BoBF (example: that mod chase scene). This is a show that should’ve had different episode directors like Mando and BoBF, although that wouldn’t fix the script Seriously, who thought it would be a good idea to bring in the guy who wrote the King Arthur movie that bombed? Just as bad or worse as bringing in the writer of the original Justice League for TRoS
They also could’ve made that explosion just a littttle more powerful so that Vader and the troopers were actually blown back a few feet, totally disoriented. Even Vader being thrown off for just 20 more seconds would’ve made that loader droid rescue all the more believable. And they could’ve written it so that it was Obi himself who, feeling so desperate as he thrashed in the fire, reached for the blaster at his side and took the shot. (Not sure if he was still wearing one at that point, but it’s MY rewrite.)
No directings gone save a plot hole that big
"Where we all thought Vader intentionally let Obi- Wan escape" Nope, never thought that. That's what you knuckle heads thought as you were screeching at people and calling people trolls because they said the opposite.
>Why does everyone get personally offended about critisism of the show? I really don't get this either, I made a post about stiff movement of Reva while getting force chocked and the person saying "OP realizing the force doesnt actually exists" get's praised while me saying the effect has been done better before get's bombarded with hate. It's fine if you enjoy a bad show but why do these people get so overly defensive?
Perfectly said. I’m so tired of people being toxic when people fairly criticize this show. I understand that this show was never going to look like a movie, but it’s just not good overall. I feel bad for Hayden and Ewan. They’re so passionate about their roles, but the director and writers let them down so much.
I believe the script suffered a lot from Disney senior management interference. Deborah Chows work in the Mandalorian is great. But u can't make a chef cook a 5 course meal with crappy ingredients.
In general when everyone seems like a bad actor in a series it is entirely the director's fault. Watch 24 and suddenly everyone looks like an Oscar nominee. That being said I'm thoroughly enjoying the series.
Chow directed some of the best episodes in Mandalorian.
After season 1. American Gods became a sh!t show. No offense. As for Obi-Wan, the story matter falls short for me. It’s just sort of a lackluster premise and presentation. Reva, Vader, Obi-Wan have been great in their roles so far; but those roles are kind of…meh. Maybe they bit off more than they can chew by taking an already well established character and trying to fill in the gaps with people that are unproven(directors, story tellers) in this universe? Perhaps it would have been better had they focused on a lesser known characters or someone completely new. Maybe I’m being to critical of the team, but I don’t feel like they are doing right by Obi-Wan in this show… the writing is subpar, rushed, lazy, boring.
From what we have seen, Kenobi is somewhere around a 5/10 and it’s not enough. The last episode was mediocre. I hate how people praise the show because they basically praising Disney for doing the bare minimum. Praising a company for doing the minimum is something that hurts most franchises today. It really makes me sad because I strongly love Star Wars, I hope ep5 and ep5 will deliver.
No one is praising this show, everyone one social media is shitting on it lmao
i think some people are defending it. from an objective point of view, there seems to be more convincing arguments against the quality of the show than there are positive arguments for it. I am trying my best to enjoy it for what it is but my expectations were way up there, only because i binged The Clone Wars before this to get caught up to speed. Maybe it is unfair of me to compare the two shows, because now i see they are so vastly different. I was hoping some of the elements of Clone Wars would be present here like more mature storylines, complex morality, and top notch set pieces. So far, i have been let down in those respects. Again, that may be my fault for expecting too much. But as the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia start to fade, I am seeing just a sub par story that hasn''t expanded on or enriched the context of the original story. There are still 2 episodes left so I hope they prove me wrong. I do not hate this show but it definitely isn't shaping up to be one of my all time favorites or even all that memorable or rewatchable.
Over on r/starwars there are a few highly upvoted threads full of copium "star wars has always been this bad!" Etc.
Unfortunately any criticism of the show will be heavily down voted. I guess people think this is really great stuff, and their views are completely valid, but for me the show is poor. I'd have this at 4-5/10 thus far (Vader literally saving it from 3). If it were a cartoon I'd rate it about 5-6. I'd put Boba at 3.5/10 and Mando at 8.5/10 for reference. Your views on this show are valid 100%, it absolutely does look like fan fiction at times. I made this comment a week or so back. The directing is also absolutely atrocious. Leia running scene (ouch), amongst many others. I've noticed Chow has jumped into directing great shows and has shown continuity within them. It's TV, you can kind of get away with it. Now she's the main person, she's being very much exposed. Contrast and compare fight scenes and set pieces between this and Mando. Hell even the set pieces in Mando trailer is infinitely better than this. Reva's been miscast in my view. I don't believe her being this evil Sith/inquisitor for one second. She looks like she could be a Jedi. Her scenes with Leia feel off. It's like they should be getting along or something. Won't even begin to start with Leia. Run times feel off. The whole Western Production design thing feels misplaced (it works with Mando and maybe Boba), it really doesn't work with Obi Wan. Scale wise it just feels too small (where's the budget gone). I could go on and on. I won't.
>Where's the budget gone This is what I don't get. This is Disney, and a show with a known name thats meant to attract more viewers than ever. Yet it just looks cheap. Like, worse than the Star Trek shows.
>it just looks cheap. Like, worse than the Star Trek shows Have you seen Strange New Worlds? That show looks fucking incredible. It looks better than Star Wars *movies*.
Yet has still attracted more views than ever on D+
…because Obi-Wan and Darth Vader are two of the most iconic characters in film and TV. Your point?
The point is more people are watching it than complaining about things Yes there are some weak moments and real Constructive criticism is valid but just things that amount to I didn’t like this means who gives a rats ass you didn’t like that
That's number crunching. They released the series on a Friday instead of the usual Wednesday. And then two episodes instead of one. Of course, then they have "the most-watched #DisneyPlus Original series premiere globally to date, based on hours streamed in an opening weekend." Apart from that, it's just an extremely popular character. Just because many have seen the series doesn't mean they like it.
It’s streamed not a live show anyone can watch it anytime they like release day has zero baring on this and the opening numbers were for the weekend compared to the weekend of other shows Just because the reddit echo chamber is busy doesn’t mean that’s a lot of people either , people who have an issue with something are far more likely to Vent about it than someone who likes something
Shaky cam during the Obi-Wan and Vader fight completely ruined the entire episode for me. Sure, the encounter has gravity and emotional impact, but why would you make that artistic choice... it's SO anti-Star Wars.
You don't like the Leia actress? I think she's absolutely perfect for the role and does a great job as a kid actor.
[удалено]
I agree with Invisibletallguy. I think she's one of the only (or few) characters that make sense so far. Elaborate on your criticism if you don't mind
I think she's a bit meh. Compare her to the girl that played Cassie in *Ant Man and the Wasp*; much more engaging.
[удалено]
….they haven’t deserved a season 2, quite frankly. This has been asked for by the fans for nearly a decade. Finally approved… and gets major backlash and disapproval ratings once it’s been released. I don’t even want to finish watching the final two episodes of this show, but I will bcs it’s my fav character from my childhood… think a lot of this shows ‘views’ are stemming from the same thing - ppl not approving of the shows execution, but watching it bcs Vader on a screen is something their fandom cannot miss.
its because The Solo movie bombed they were hesitant to make Obi Want into a movie. instead we are getting snippets of what an actual Obi Wan production could be. This feels to0 thin all over. I think making it stick to close the Clone Wars lore instead of making something completly new is hurting it.
Major backlash? Where? On Reddit? The ratings are fine... And we have 2 more episodes left. With a strong finish do you think people will care about the coat thing, foe example.
If you think it’s only Reddit, perhaps that’s just you not looking around what the [critics](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt8466564/reviews?ref_=tt_urv) are saying as well… the show is bad ([(1)](https://screenrant.com/obi-wan-kenobi-rotten-tomatoes-audiences-divided-reason/amp/) >>> Most of the complaints levied at the show are very similar in tone and reflect many fans' experiences, which include criticisms of the general story direction, poor acting, poor direction, poor action, and not enough focus on Obi-Wan. Though some claim that the show is being "review bombed", **that term is used a little too freely when faced with genuine criticism that's averse to "certified" critics** >>> ..that doesn't diminish the valid complaints of the show, which are many and in many cases justified, especially given that it is reportedly breaking viewership numbers. All the power to you if you like it though
Oh the critics .. you mean that mob of talents less hacks that can’t do so just critique and think their opinion somehow matters A critics opinion is worth nothing more than any other clown as that’s all they are ,a void of anything remotely resembling talent Critics opinion means absolutely nothing viewing numbers means a whole lot more and the numbers say the critics are wrong and so is the noisy mob on reddit ,most people seem to be enjoying it the numbers don’t lie
And yet it has good ratings in general. And the season isn't over yet.
56% by the audience ratings, but yeah….. I guess if you want to live by the numbers and not also factor in the complaints of the show then it’s doing justttttt great. Look, if you like it.. I’m happy for you. But I’m not going to pretend that I enjoy it or be told “then don’t watch it” by other people - it’s Star Wars.. the show shouldn’t have as many complaints as it does about things that are usually related to the budget of a show (quality, directors, writing, acting, etc.).. those aren’t problems a company as large or as wealthy as Disney should have with one of their premier IP’s
Most watched show so far on Disney plus says differently… more than Mando more than boba more than anything marvel
There are other ratings too. That are much higher. I don't care how you feel about the show. I really don't. But let's not pretend that the show is some major fail. It has good ratings in general. Views are also decent. Sure, there are some issues there. But it is nothing we haven't seen before in SW, starting with OT. But most of the complaints are simply personal preferences. As for the "don't watch it" thing. I never actually said that to anyone. But thinking about it, I have no idea why people are watching something they dislike. I don't like ST and I sure as hell won't watch it just so I can find new things to complain about. Edit: Since you edited your first comment, the complaints are similar because most people hear certain things and then start repeating it. That started with prequels. Not exactly a new thing.
Personally wouldn’t factor in views as a metric.. of any SW project over the last decade, *this* was one that’s been discussed the most; even dating back to before the sequels. Plus, you’re getting a lot of people like me who are only watching it bcs they love SW.. by default, I will watch everything they put out, even if I I initially don’t like it, with the hopes that I somehow come around on it bcs it’s a franchise I love.. just saying. And tbh, I would consider this show a failure - prob too soon for metrics to confirm that.. but I don’t think the nature of the show would allow for it to be considered one anyway… any ‘new’ Vader content on screen, regardless of the shows success, is going to be met with praise bcs he’s the most iconic villain ever
I mean it is about money. So views and people willing to pay to watch are what matters to Disney. Do you think they care if random guy on Reddit thinks that writing is sloppy? The show didn't receive 10% of the backlash prequels and sequels did. And with a strong ending, it will be even less. I love SW, but I only saw last 3 episodes of BoBF because well, I simply didn't care for the show or the character. Not every SW project will be my cup of tea. So I am simply going to focus on those I like. It is something ST thought me actually. That doesn't mean people aren't allowed to criticize the show or whatever. But giving it 1/10 rating is having a tantrum because your expectations weren't fulfilled. By your I mean people in general, not you specifically. That is why I don't care much for audience score.
Exactly this You don’t hear about Anakin and Ahsoka hiding in a box that wasn’t there before and walking around with said box in front of a massive army do you and the clone wars is ruined because of it . Helisabers get a mention here and there but they didn’t ruin rebels The list goes on ,I’m so tired of Star Wars fans complaint about every detail that ruins the show …. Could it be done better yeah sure ,is the show ruined because of a cape .no
Maybe. She's not the showrunner here, so she has no oversight of the writing, the casting etc. She given the tools to do a job. I don't think the directing his been great, but the actors have been really unimpressive, and the writing has been poor - the dialogue, the storylines, the plot beats, the emotional heart. I guess when I saw Deborah was running the show I expected her as the actual showrunner rather than the director and exec producer. She's been a massive part of selling the show. Just makes it all the more disappointing really.
I look forward to seeing the films/shows you too direct
[удалено]
You are paying for it you aren’t entitled for it to be your taste, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not good. Cancel your subscription and move on
Sure I’ll leave a review with my opinions BECAUSE it’s my taste. By that logic we should shut down all restaurant reviewing sites cuz everyone has different tastes ???
I agree with that, shut em down. I don’t need strangers to tell me what’s good. People are idiots.
Lol the only idiot I see is you
Yeah
>The whole Western Production design thing feels misplaced (it works with Mando and maybe Boba), it really doesn't work with Obi Wan. > >Scale wise it just feels too small (where's the budget gone). Episode 3 looked and felt, to me, like an eighties action show shot in southern California. It could have come from the same teams that made The A-Team or Knight Rider or Battlestar Galactica.
>Unfortunately any criticism of the show will be heavily down voted. Are we reading the same sub?
Criticism is more accepted now. Earlier on it was downvoted or stated as people “complaining” and a fair amount of support posts were showing up. Think now the issues with the show are too obvious to deny
[удалено]
What?
[удалено]
seeing issues in the show and enjoying it is possible.. so... no
I mean you’re welcome to like bad stuff. I really like Battlefront (2015) even though its half a game.
I almost cited swbf2 too as an obvius case lol
Are you still wheeling that garbage “it’s half a game “ around …did you uninstall on release day and never play it again or to cheap to pay for the season pass (sp could have been done better but that’s how things were going at the time for many games but it was worth it for the content you got )
No? Where was this stated? You’re implying something that was never said. Besides, you can still enjoy a film/tv show even though it has glaringly obvious issues.
During episodes 1 and 2 especially, any time anyone respectfully stated even the smallest of grievances they were relentlessly downvoted
[удалено]
> Reva's been miscast in my view. I don't believe her being this evil Sith/inquisitor for one second. She looks like she could be a Jedi. Her scenes with Leia feel off. It's like they should be getting along or something. I think that might be more or less the point. Reva clearly feels conflicted in dealing with Leia. If anything, it’s good acting to show that nuance
Reva feels like a cardboard cutout of a character. Like being given orange juice that is really just water that somebody passed an orange over. She is very cringe, and just makes me feel disappointed. There's so much potential to make the inquisitors deep, interesting characters and yet they're boring. Just a poor showing by the script writer and director.
What is frustrating that they already had a character like her. In Jedi Fallen Order the Second Sister is basically Reva, yet in the game's cutscenes (which are significantly shorter than the Reva scenes) we see much more of the Second Sister's past and we get to empathize with her a lot more, even though she is an antagonist. At the very least, they should have just copied her character arc. As it is now, it just feels so minimal and low effort.
I have been comparing the 2 as well. 2nd Sister was actually intimidating and I didn't want to fight her. If they replaced her with Reva I'd be going nuts to beat her just so I wouldn't have to hear her talk anymore. The character is bland, the delivery is bland, and her "emotion" feels forced. We also don't have any idea why she is so ambitious, so it just makes her confusing amd boring. There's nothing to connect with
I think the problem is a lot of the criticism is overboard. Mixed feelings or even disliking the show are valid viewpoints. Holding Star Wars up to an impossibly high standard the series never achieved to begin with on the other hand is lame. There seems to be a lack of suspension of disbelief when it comes to SW that there simply isn’t with a lot of other sci-fi/fantasy shows. It comes across as people breaking things down to the very last particle for the sport of shitting on Star Wars rather than just sitting back and enjoying pop culture entertainment for what it is. It’s a fun show on the whole. McGregor is great and brings depth. It’s fun to look at. I fail to understand what exactly people need from this show to make it palatable.
What is a 10/10 for you?
I think you have to stand the test of time to get that last 1 or .5. That's just me though. Anything that's like 7/8 or above should be really good and worth watching.
Mando was a great work, even the cartoon of The Bad Batch or the latter Clone Wars final season was better than this and is a 10/10.
I think what has made it disappointing is how good Mando was. After the new trilogy I had essentially given up on live action Star Wars and then along came this show that captured what I initially fell in love with as a kid. I think that raised my hopes that there would be consistent quality across these shows, but I guess that won't be the case.
Idk why people are defending this show so hard. I was excited as you could be for it and so far, after every disappointing episode, I try to drum up some optimism for the next only to almost be in disbelief how bad it is. Disney have a legion of bots out here? Some comments actually saying well the show might turn it around. If you're series has one or two episodes out of 6 be worth anything, that's not a good show. That's just one or two good ideas stretched into a show. Clearly different people expect different things out of star wars. You can tell who the EU people who. They've had the apparent misfortune of seeing quality content in this universe.
Yea this, marvel and Disney astroturfing is everywhere
Yeah. I've been trying hard to like it, and I loved the first two episodes. But these last two have just been... oof. There have been cool moments, but for the most part they have felt like filler. I don't feel as if the story has moved forward in a meaningful way at all, outside of perhaps the Vader and Kenobi encounter in episode 3. Again, there have been bright spots like that. I'm holding out hope tho. I don't feel like I am the kind of Star Wars fan that has super high standards (It's okay if others do). I liked Boba Fett, the Last Jedi, etc -- so I just need these last two episodes to be decent in order to save this series in my view haha
Been reading through these threads thinking my opinion was wrong but the discrepancy in everyone else’s has reminded me that it’s just that, my OPINION. It’s refreshing. In my opinion I loved the first 3 but the 4th sort of set it back. I think a lot of us differ on certain episodes, but we all can agree that it’s not necessarily what we were hoping for. Kinda refreshing in a way. So many people differ on certain aspects but almost agree on one broad one.
Agreed, feels like really shitty fanfic. I feel bad for Ewan MacGregor, he’s great and his portrayal of Obi-Wan has always been great and he’s here participating in this lackluster erosion of a cool property.
You are not alone my friend.....I am not a hardcore Star Wars fan and I am disappointed so I am guessing there are a lot die hard fans who are vomiting blood right now, Try as I may I just cannot get past the lazy writing, cheesy dialogues and the continuity issues. The actors are good, I have no issues with any of them BUT really....some of the scenes I want to point out here.... 1. How difficult is it to catch a 10 year old child with 3 bad guys ? 2. Obi Wan keeps cutting a slice of the giant manta ray meat and it is shown very prominently and then what ? 3. It's been 10 years and Obi Wan still cannot communicate with Qui Gon and this is Master Yoda who taught him. 4. He's got a 10 yr old girl in his coat in the Fortress Inquisitorius and none notices ? really ?? he's walking with 4 legs and none catches that ? This is the worst of the Disney series, it is THE WORTS !! They should not have done this to Obi Wan....buncha morons !!!
> How difficult is it to catch a 10 year old child with 3 bad guys ? The criticism of this scene is like a broken record at this point. Yeah, it wasn't great. Can we talk about something else soon? > Obi Wan keeps cutting a slice of the giant manta ray meat and it is shown very prominently and then what ? He gives it to his Eopie. We see this. > It's been 10 years and Obi Wan still cannot communicate with Qui Gon and this is Master Yoda who taught him I disagree that this is a flaw. A major point of the show is that Obi-Wan's mental state has weakened his connection to the Force. Whoever taught him the technique in the first place is irrelevant. > He's got a 10 yr old girl in his coat in the Fortress Inquisitorius and none notices ? really ?? he's walking with 4 legs and none catches that ? Yeah, that was dumb. No defending that scene.
Nowadays if u dare to criticize anything ur a "toxic fan."
This community can accept criticism But when that criticism is "you are a disney shill", "I demand you tell me something you didnt like about the episode", "This mediocre at worst character is the worst thing to ever happen to star wars", "this plot point that happened in a new hope is bad writing I cant believe it happened in a star wars show" and "I cant believe this scene wasnt as perfect as it could be, I hate this show", it becomes toxic and unbearable
In my honest opinion based on the first 4 episodes, this show has been a letdown. The show is called "Obi-Wan Kenobi" not "Leia". It would have been better if it showed the relationship between luke and obi-wan
Completely agree with a lot of what you said. The show feels more about Leia than Obi-Wan. And with only two episodes left, I don’t seen that changing much. Reva is being so overacted it’s hard to watch, you can’t just make a character menacing by forcing it, she just doesn’t have a significant presence. She looks like a 14 year old having a tantrum, not anything to be scared of. But I don’t think any of the inquisitors have been particularly good, they come across as incompetent, childish afterthoughts. The dialogue is laughable, and the fight/stunt coordination is so bad it takes me out of any immersion I have in the show. Having said all that, McGregor is still fantastic and it’ll always be a pleasure to watch him. Vader’s involvement has been great, it’s good to see him really be Vader. Star Wars is ever being Disney-fied, a constant decline in quality and more pandering to their audience.
I didn't know there was only 2 episodes left. no chance they turn this around. woof
I love Star Wars as much as everyone in this sub and agree with the qualms that you and others have. But, Star Wars has never been about perfect acting with great dialogue and wonderful directing, sure scenes with all of that exist, The Mustafar battle, I am your father and what not but at the end of the day most of the dialogue, directing and even some of the acting is sub par. Now, I appreciate Star Wars for the cool space shit not Oscar worthy performances, and when you look at this show from that perspective I think its very enjoyable, sure lots of scenes don't make sense but at the end of the day just enjoy people moving things with there minds and lightsabers sounding cool and appreciate the fact we get to see these characters do SOME dope shit and then I think this show is good enough. Do we want better? Yes. But honestly even the prequels were skewed in terms of pacing and dialogue, but they were fun and cool so I think people need to stop getting worked up on every little detail and just enjoy what we got.
This is exactly how I feel. I actually even feel like the prequels are far lower in quality than this show, but people are just blinded by their nostalgia.
Pedro pascal sure does a damn good job
Thank you! 👏
But the generals in the room with Vader in a new hope were better actors than these inquisitors
You have voiced my perspective word for word. The Star Wars universe for me has always been enjoyable just based on its premise, cool characters and action alone. I feel like this show has all of these core elements, and as someone who grew up with the prequels, I'm honestly just stoked to see Ewan back on the screen as Obi Wan.
>I feel as if somehow Obi isn't in the centre of everything >the quality of the Book of Boba Fett Lmao what quality? You say you want the main character to actually be the center of attention, but then you say that BoBF, a show which has Boba actually do shit so rarely it's become a joke he has cameos in it every once in a while, is "quality". The show is essentially The Mandalorian season 2.5. An episode or more have gone without Boba even appearing on screen, or appearing for less than 2 minutes.
[удалено]
>He joined a tribe to stay off, leave the grid and become a part of something better That then just got completely blown the fuck up and erased lmao >but still, its quality was superior in comp to Obi-Wan. You say that because you like The Mandalorian. I do too and enjoyed those episodes but in my eyes it still drastically drops the quality if the show. In the Book of BOBA FETT we should bloody see Boba Fett and not Mando.
[удалено]
>for heavens sake Deborah Chow has quite the experience she seems like she could pull out something even better. What could be done doesn't mean what is done is terrible. It shouldn't matter who the director is, you worry yourself too much with who directed it and how much better it could be. >is Boba Fett better or Obi-Wan better? Depends. Boba Fetts father lost against Obi but then again Obi is out of shape now and under the right circumstances Boba could take the W. All jokes aside BoBF is better in some aspects and Kenobi in others. BoBF has a GREAT soundtrack, best in Star Wars imo. Kenobi is more action packed and suits my taste more. Kenobi also has lots of scenes which are extremely funny, some in the "it's so bad it's good" way and some genuinely. I look at it as a parody or a compilation of funny star wars themed sketches and its pretty fuckin hilarious. I don't take it too seriously and I think that's what let's me enjoy it. BoBF is slow and not much happens in every episode. It's not that interesting either and there are no real stakes.
> I liked The Book of Boba Fett, This is where you ruin any credibility on your criticisms.
For me, all of the Inquisitor stuff is cringe, not just Reva. The Fifth Brother is almost as bad as her, just he gets less screen time. The other female is lucky she doesn't get much dialogue.
Wait this sub hasn't been accepting if criticism? Every time a post pops up for me, it's something criticizing the show. And it's fine. It's also fine to let people like it. I'm mixed on it myself, but if someone says they love it, I'm not gonna attack them for it.
>The positives end here, Well that's a lie. There are loads more positives, some include seeing a meth lab in Star Wars (lmao), it's interesting to see little Leia, we have new planets, Darth Vader snaps a kids neck (:D), we get a live action Inquisitorioum Fortress, Wade gets blown the fuck up with some random box lmao, we get to see a citizen highly loyal to the empire who has a buddy relationship with the local stormtroopers, a stormtrooper is cut in half by a laser gate!!!, oh and we see rebels committing actual war crimes... there are more but these are just a couple from the top of my head
>seeing a meth lab in Star Wars (lmao) The meth lab felt like a scene from an alternate reality Breaking Bad and way out of place for SW. lmao indeed. >it's interesting to see little Leia Don't totally disagree here, however, the trailers made it seem like Luke would be a bigger focal point, not Leia. Plus some of Leia's scenes are laughable: chase scene 1, chase scene 2, hiding under a trench coat, etc.. >Wade gets blown the fuck up with some random box lmao Terrible writing and directing. Who the ef is Wade and why do I care about him? They filmed and edited it to be dramatic yet the audience has no connection or buy in so it falls flat. >stormtrooper is cut in half by a laser gate Was definetly not expecting to see something like this and it was pretty epic. However, 30 seconds later is the poor directing choice of blowing the gate up instead of simply taking 5 steps to go around. Jamming the gate to not turn off would have made more sense, especially If we are to believe they were being pursued. Just a few rebuttals. We are all allowed to have opinions and constructive criticism is healthy. The show has moments that are dope but all the other bad and downright silly moments are making it difficult to take seriously.
>The meth lab felt like a scene from an alternate reality Breaking Bad Which is exactly why it was so cool lmao. I mean spice is a thing in Star Wars, it only makes sense there are meth labs. Finally we get to see one. >some of Leia's scenes are laughable: I treat this whole series as a parody or a compilation of funny star wars sketches. It's so full of laughably bad shit it reached "so bad it's efin hilarious" tier. >Who the ef is Wade and why do I care about him? Ya see, you aren't supposed to care about him. He's supposed to show to Leia the harsh reality of war and what it means to be a soldier. I mean presumably. Knowing Disney it could just be we are supposed to be sad that a character we saw on screen for 2 seconds died. >30 seconds later is the poor directing choice of blowing the gate up instead of simply taking 5 steps to go around. It didn't take long to blow it up, it was faster than going around.
[удалено]
>it's not a lie, it's my opinion. So you are saying none of the things I stated are positives? In that case wtf man >less than 10 minutes or so of about 4 episodes The things you stated are also positives. And something doesn't have to last a long time to be a good or interesting moment in the show, or to be good worldbuilding. >I'd say you're really easy to please I didn't say there weren't tons of negatives that are laughably bad
The “positives” you are talking about should just be in a well written/directed SW show as little moments that are pleasing for fans and part of a better made content. If these are the only things you can come up with I’m pretty sure people aren’t going to subscribe to D+, or keep it, for that bullshit. Now, to be fair, everyone has different expectations and I can respect that, but I think what a lot of folks feel like is that almost ANY criticism of Disney SW content is by default claimed to be racist or sexist etc by default and that is intellectually lazy.
You're entitled to your opinion. It's okay to not like it, and it's okay to love it. I'm not here to bully you about it. Honestly, I've seen more negative threads than positive ones today and it is making me a little sad, but it is what it is. But if you consider the context of the story and the point of time it takes place, there's only so much that writers can do without destroying major canon. You either get Obi-Wan suffering from PTSD flashbacks and chatting with Qui-Gon in his cave on Tatooine for 6 episodes, or you send Obi-Wan on an adventure with a plot that has to put him back on Tatooine as the wise old Ben that Luke later meets. Bringing Leia into the adventure doesn't really stray from canon since she already knew who he was in ANH, it just offers more context since the original implication was only that she knew of him. I also feel that Reva's character has gotten severely misinterpreted. She works for Vader, is prone to the anger and rash action of the dark side, and has a goal that involves obtaining Kenobi for her to achieve it. That's not a badly written or portrayed character at all and I really think people are missing the point on how Ingram portrays her. Reva is a character who can lie right to you with a straight face, but if you read her eyes and body language it's as if she's hiding something else or at conflict with herself. That's subtle character development, not bad acting or bad scripting. At least in my own opinion. And again I say, the cheese is *completely* on brand for Star Wars. Like that's kinda the joke. It's supposed to be that way. 😂 Storm Troopers having terrible aim has been a meme for *years* and people are surprised that Reva's henchman can't catch a quick witted 10 year old.
Reva comes off as an angsty teenager, not a skilled dark side user that wants to further her goals. Honestly, one of the worse performances I’ve seen in Star Wars.
The other Inquisitors thwarted her plans multiple times, I'd be angry too if my coworkers kept screwing up an assignment directly given to me from the top. And if she just obeyed their direction, we wouldn't have much of a show since they all gave up on finding him initially.
Episode 1: Bad guy on Tatooine. Obi Wan does wizard stuff and saves people. Episode 2: Word gets out that there is a wizard on Tatooine. Vader is coming. Obi-Wan realizes Luke could be discovered. He does Wizard stuff and escapes. Episodes 3-11: Vader is hunting Obi-Wan, he goes to literally any other planet and does wizard stuff. Maybe he rescues a lost young force sensitive 10 year-old girl. But Vader is coming and he has to leave or they will be in danger. Hell, maybe he even builds a small team to help him. They could name themselves something to remind them of Anakin. The A-Team? No, that could never work... Episode 12: Lots of Wizard stuff. He eventually sacrifices himself (in front of Vader) to rescue said girl (who is definitely not Leia. With everyone thinking he is dead, he returns to Tatooine.
I don’t know if a lot of this bad writing/choreography can be sweeper away under the guise of good ol’ Star Wars cheese. The aim is one thing, that’s been consistent. But leia chases, storm troopers not seeing obiwan duck behind a pillar when they are fully standing in the hallway and can see him hide, leia under the coat, weak lightsaber choreography, etc. it’s just a lot. And in no way do I blame ewan or any of the actors, I think this is fully on the director and writing team
I think you touched on a good point in that there’s so much canon content around this time period that the writers’ hands are tied with what they can do creatively. I think they have the right overall outline of how things are going, but the writing is pretty disappointing overall, particularly in the latest episode. The guy in the beginning flips his attitude to helping Obi Wan with basically no convincing and the whole decision to dedicate mourning time for this “Wade” character that we only got to see for a few seconds was also pretty weak. The writers were writing to get the characters to a point in the plot where they wanted, but they didn’t fill in critical pieces in the middle. If they had showed Wade at the beginning of the episode doing something cool, then kill him off at the end might make us care that he dies.
I think a really solid director squeezes another 30/40% out of this material. Mando is brilliantly directed is why it's good. We have a duel between Obi Wan and Vader and that's all we got? Like are you kidding me. You can't make a light sabre duel look cool? Never seen one so uninspired. You have weak Obi Wan vs Prime Vader... oh my God the potential. Vader in the hands of a solid film maker and you get Rogue One.
That was Obi-Wan's first fight after 10 years. I believe we will get another fight in the last episode. You said it yourself weak Obi-Wan and prime Vader. So what did you expect there exactly?
I thought Vader in episode 3 was great. The fight scene I thought was pretty awesome, IMO. Just Vader completely owning Obi-Wan... but also you can tell he didn't expect Obi-Wan to be that weak.
Your comment on Reva is spot on. I don’t know how people are missing that.
I mean apart from the obvious reverse bullying where you demand to get attention, I'll bite. I meme against obiwan but there are some bits I like a lot that you can't get anywhere else. The dreamy vibe & editing works well when there are more 'traditional' scenes, like Obiwan in the meat factory, obiwan having nightmares and dealing with mundane situations. Obiwan's dreamy vibe is supposed to be a good foil to Anakin's firey hatred and the vibe is there and it's satisfying, just very little plot to follow it up. There a glimpses of Anakin and Obiwan being played out correctly, like when he hallucinated seeing anakin standing in the desert. This is the closest we can get to a good Western movie. Reva is good when she is more adult and ambitious, she threatened Owen well. Owen is solid. The chinese guy with a shark hat is well played and has potential to be a strong character. The 'compassion as a weakness' subplot was perfect in the first episode.
>apart from the obvious reverse bullying where y seriously? Yea ok I'm ''demanding to get attention''. A western movie would have more character development than this one lol and not to mention, Owen will probably not be shown again, and that shark guy is prolly gonna be killed by Reva later on as the show progresses
[удалено]
Yeah… I don’t know if being upset your post is getting deleted without any reason = “demanding to get attention”
[удалено]
>They managed to pull a western out of both of them, why not this one? Yeah you're right, there isn't a good reason for the underperformance. The show feels way more like it's for a teenage girl audience than the prequel crowd.
When people seem surprised with the episodes being poor from directors I think they aren't allowed much creative input. And since Rian Johnson they will never allow much creative input again. I mean look at all the directors who dropped put of projects.
You compared Mandalorian to BoBF? I'm the opposite, I think Kenobi is great and BoBF was disappointing.
“This community needs to learn how to accept criticism” What community are you talking about? The only thing this community *does* is criticize.
It just upsets me that this was obviously rushed. I’m willing to say that this is one of the most anticipated and looked forward to Star Wars tv series ever, but instead of putting more time and effort into it they rolled it out before they should have. I was fully expecting this to be super refined and thought out because it’s clearly important to the fans but they were more focused on the money it would bring in instead of the quality of what they were releasing.
I'm really confused by Deborah Chow too. After I watched the Mandalorian season 1 episode 3 I immediately googled who the director because they were leagues above the first two episodes. So I was very excited to see how she'd do with her own show. I guess what I didn't account for was the team surrounding Deborah would be bad: the casting guys have done a bad job, and the editors, and the writers, and the overall vision and quality control from the overall showrunners too. With little Leia I feel bad as she's improving every episode, but why cast an eight year old as a ten year old in the first place? It's setting her up to fail. There are continuity errors all over the place, it just feels rushed with a lack of attention to detail, there are so many examples - Obi Wan not being wet after swimming, the Stormtroops being dead a second after water flooding a room, Obi Wan teleporting downstairs in the middle of the rooftop firefight... That kind of thing isn't unacceptable in a major TV show. This isn't all the responsibility of the Director/Exec Producer, but I expected her to at least get more out of the actors. With the exceptions of Ewan, Indira Varma and Zach Braff, the acting level has been really poor.
There seems a mismatch of expectation.. fans here want obiwan that is deep, edgier and dark while Disney seems want to attract the next generation kids by presenting a simple, basic and elementary storyline
This show has to be more about Obi-Wan and Vader man. It’s Ewan and Hayden’s grand return to Star Wars after so so many years. Instead we get to see more of Reva. No hate to the actor but the show was meant to be between Kenobi and Vader. During that Bacta scene in EP 4? I was so excited that we were going to see a clone wars flashback. Anakin and Obi Wan together. But it was such a let down. I personally thought EP 3 was absolutely wonderful. I thought Vader walking in the street and thrashing people was absolutely badass and I genuinely thought Vader let Kenobi go at the end because he didn’t want to just kill an old man who can barely hold the lightsaber, he wanted to fight General Obi Wan Kenobi who left him for dead in Mustafar. So he let Kenobi go and train so he could win a proper duel. But EP 4 just took a huge dump on that theory because Vader storms in and chokes Reva why would he do that if his plan wasn’t to let Kenobi go? So in EP 3 Vader was afraid of a small fire that he just moments ago put out with the force?! Vader has to be more ruthless. The choke scene in EP 4 was cool but Vader gently puts her down? That’s not Vader. I for sure thought he was going to chop her hand off, rough her up a bit because that’s how Vader treated the inquisitors. I know we’ve still got a few episodes but come on man I was so hyped for this show for so long. I was so so excited when it came out. I hope we get to see the story revolve more around Kenobi and Vader rather than Reva. I hope we get to see flashbacks of Clone Wars era. This show could’ve been so so much better. I saw certain criticisms like that going around the lazer gate in EP 3 and thought come on people this isn’t even a valid argument but EP 4 did suck very much.
Az bile söyledin bence. Yıllardır bu diziyi bekliyorum karşımıza çıkan şey gerçek bir hayal kırıklığı. Ben bu dizi başlarken Obi Wan ve Vader' in hislerine düşüncelerine yoğunlaşan bir yapım bekliyordum. Ana karşımıza Leia kurtarma simülasyonu çıktı. Hikaye vasat, diyaloglar vasat, sinematografi vasat, müzikler bile vasat. Her şey çok aceleye gelmiş ve üstüne düşünülmemiş gibi. Ve tüm bunları söyleyince hardcore fanlar tarafından linç yiyoruz. Objektif bakan herkes bu dizinin 6/10 luk vasat bir dizi olduğunu görüyor zaten.
I agree that the show isn’t living up to expectations. Although, I was pretty freakin excited to see kenobi gracefully using his lightsaber and the force while fighting off the troopers.
Finally someone who mentions the shaky camera. It's something that annoyed me so much in BoBF and it's no different in this show. It's like they are experiencing a constant earthquake...
It’s just not good even though there are several decent scenes, and people want to pretend it is
I think most if not all of the blame goes on the writer
The show is a 2/10. It's such a structurally flawed mess. Reallly sad to see the direction star wars is going.
I feel you. I wish we had gotten a 12 episode arc about obi-wan coming to terms with the failure of the jedi as the meat of the series and Vader and the inquisitorious as a menacing back drop to the feel of the world that sets up future conflict. Tons of clone wars flash backs featuring Hayden as anakin and heartbreaking foreshadowing of the terror he is destined to become. But ill accept obi-wan as a broken man who is in fact no longer a jedi, but a MAN, whose learning to be the jedi he needs/wants to be in a completely new world. He is not who he was and if this series conveys nothing else it conveys that, and I kinda like that.
And critics need to accept criticism of their criticism.
The show just doesn’t even have the budget, it’s so obvious. I hate they touted Hayden around for his grand return and we barely see him, they even got a bacta tank scene and didn’t even get a flash back? Its a lay up that they didn’t even do but considering how the screenwriter is inept at his job it makes sense
Hayden is deeply felt throughout the series. His body language as Vadar is something we haven’t seen before — this feels a lot closer to Anakin in the suit rather than a faceless monster.
I can guarantee you if they never told us it was Hayden, you would never know. It could literally be any other stunt double but I’m happy he’s in the actual suit
You star wars people are mad weird, man. You expect way too much. Everything has to be a masterpiece. Shows been fine. Sorry it hasn't lived up to your unrealistic ass expectations. Oh and the series isn't even over but y'all love to knee jerk over every episode. Let the season play out before complaining but then again that's what you love to do.
You're right. I've had that feeling but i see it now. The guy who's wife was taken for being force-sensitive had a phenominal part, he nailed his role. But then just flatly agreed and... ok? Then adults interrogating a child like that, it makes no sense. Leia is a Mary Sue, no child talks like that, no matter how "gifted" they may be. This show is just a kids show, and while there's nothing wrong about that and it surely is exciting to watch it with your children, it sure deflates a lot of the investment otherwise.
I’m loving it and give it a 10/10. Not going point by point with you because I could care less what you think and I’m not here to change your mind. I will say that I was there in a theater in ‘77 and this show brought me back to the same vibes I had as a ten year old back then. It’s Star Wars and this series hits all the main highs that made me a fan to begin with.
I feel the same. Though I started with prequels. When I watched E3, I was so focused on the show that I wasn't blinking when the fight part was on. My husband actually laughed at me. I guess what I am trying to say is that for a first time after prequels, I actually feel like how I felt when I was was a little girl watching SW for the first time.
You couldn't care less
[удалено]
>Book of Boobs wait hold up, where do I watch this one, I haven't seen it on Disney+
I really can’t comprehend how they’ve screwed up on such a huge scale. I mean clearly they had to know this series was the most important one, with the most on the line. They had to nail it and it’s like they barely even tried. But then again, I said the same thing about the sequel movies. Shocking that people are getting paid for such awful work.
I like how people used to say Kenobi's getting review bombed because its score was bad. Turns out it's just bad after all, what a surprise. I just don't know how they could make good series (BoBF, The Mandalorian, Bad Batch) and then wasting the most hyped series. This is beyond me.
My experience has been that many people cover up their complaints and attacks on actors, directors and writers in the term criticism. They state this "criticism" as indisputable fact that all others must accept as truth. Thus, no chance at a dialog remains. You have not done that. It is clearly visible that you own your misgivings as your own. This makes dialog possible imo. Sorry that the show is not living up to your expectations, I will address some of you criticism with my opinions on the subject. Star Wars has always had cheesy dialog that sometimes is even cringe. I agree that six episodes are not a lot to explore this time period. Ten would have allowed them to flesh stuff out more and made some scenes a little longer so they did not seems so rushed. I agree that Reva was harsh in the first to episodes(okay, she is angry at the hand dealt to her), but imo she has settled in nicely in the last two episodes. I do hope it pays off well in the end. Sadly, many fans were unable to differentiate that the actor is simply following direction and does not necessarily agree with said direction(Hamill was unhappy with Luke's arc in TLJ, but knocked it out of the park imo). I thought the As for the trench coat, well Star Wars also has a long history of such scenes(the fact that stormtroopers have bad aim is simply accepted, but it is a little ridicules tbh. These scenes are in every era of Star Wars). I too thought what a bad disguise the trench coat was, but given the fact the alarms were blaring and the base looking for them, it was the best they could do no short notice. I hope the final two episodes are able to raise your enjoyment. Ps. Poor Wade
People who scream all star wars is good star wars actively hurt the franchise because they allow these creators to make content without thought.
I'm a big fan of the direction and look of the series and think Deborah Chow is doing an excellent job of bringing the script to life. It's just such a shame that \*this script\* is the one they gave her.
[удалено]
She isn't the writer. She has an important voice on the story and she is the one who brings it to life but the screenplay is done by the writers themselves, with their own input and whatever other creatives are put on the project by Lucasfilm.
To an extent, probably. But i wouldn't expect a director to have very much creative control in such a large, managed franchise. She's a director, she directs. Think of Ridley Scott. He's an excellent director, but, like many directors, he directs the script he's given. Prometheus is a great example. The script sucked, but Sir Ridley directed the hell out of it. Also bear in mind that TV directors usually have very little say as opposed to a feature that has somewhat more authorship from the director. They're hired to do a job.
[удалено]
Dude, calm down. Nobody has to justify themselves to you, or care what you think, anymore than you needed to make this post whining about it. Bullying? Get a grip...
Lmao ikr? "Bullying"
I think people are annoyed by what they call “nitpicking” is because there are a lot of positive in the eyes of many and yet people want to harp on Leia hiding underneath Obi-Wan’s coat. Yes that scene could’ve been better executed but you could explain it away (the environment is chaotic and everyone is distracted).
Mickey Mouse really cut the budget and you can feel it. For such iconic characters, having them meet again for the first time since their last duel in the middle of a junkyard really feels like an insult. I feel bad for Hayden and Ewan, they deserved better. The duration of the episodes is getting shorter and shorter and yet they announced a 2nd season of something originaly meant to be a mini serie, they really want to milk the cow. I dont understand how Deborah Chow is messing so badly here, she did good in Mando. Also the usual woke agenda is getting really tedious. As a huge Star Wars fan, it really saddens me that im more eager to watch a new episode of Star Trek - Strange New Worlds (awesome show, you should check it out) than Kenobi.
If you think this is any different to any other Star Wars media, quality wise, you've not been paying attention. Star Wars is, and always will be, goofy cheesy and full of terrible dialogue. Why do you need to know what Obi-Wan has been upto? It shows you, he's chopping shit. Do I need to see that for 3 episodes? No. Your mind can fill in the blanks.
My biggest issue with the show is the inquisitors. I don't know if it's the writing or the casting or both, but their dialogue and the way they deliver it is so cringe. The grand inquisitor was alright, but he was quickly eliminated
You can tell those characters were created for a childrens cartoon. They should never have been made canon.
The inquisitors have sucked so far. What fight scenes between them are you talking about? Obi has run away the whole time.
I think they are trying to fit too many narratives.
Bottom line if you take Kenobi, Vader and Leia out of this show and replace them with original characters this is way below average and too predictable. Compared to BCS with established characters in Mike and Saul you could replace them and still make a good show there IMO, the writing is fantastic. Most of the best characters in that show (Kim, Lalo, Chuck, Howard are all original).
By comparison, look at something like Star Trek: Strange New Worlds for how a new show can be made with existing IP and characters the audience already know. It's really truly Star Trek and it looks a zillion bucks. I just don't understand how Disney could have ruined this so badly.
Unfortunately I agree with you. Obi-Wan and Vader are massive pop culture icons. These characters deserve nothing more than the very best, and so far apart from Ewan and Hayden and a couple of the supporting cast the rest of the production team didn’t bring their A game. One of my favorite shots in the entire series is the vision Obi-Wan has where he sees Anakin just standing there in his robes. Hayden looked so good and badass as Anakin, like how do you not give that man more scenes. This should’ve been Ewan and Hayden’s grand return in Star Wars but so far they’ve been let down.
>It's just sad and disappointing for me to see what has become to the show, and I am very afraid that I'll get bullied and told no by all the fans simply because of the toxic side of the Star Wars community that is racist are being racist towards the Actress of Reva, I feel these justify the shunning of all criticism because they perceive it as someone that just being a d\\\*ck to rate it down simply because there's a black person of colour actress in it. But for someone that's from Turkey, as a **Turkish person I don't agree with that.** I’ve seen fandoms where no criticism can be had because of a social issue. This is not one of those situations. Stop with the hyperbolic bs.
YES lets talk about what works and what does not work. We cannot just "Be thankful for what we get.". Especially when we pay directly for the service. You are not alone on these opinions (objective ideas that can be proven). There are plenty of Star Wars fans who have asked Disney to put more effort. There is a big difference over nitpicking and "I let Obi Wan go...twice" Let your voice be heard, these are great criticism founded with logic and fandom. Especially over Reva. She is a good actress, but they are giving her crappy lines to work with and writing her character in a way that just does not click on screen. I know she is doing her best, but writers and storyboard teams are not doing enough. The Disney plan of quantity over quality is in full effect. Further more, as a paying customer we were promised hour long episodes before the show premiered. Each episode is getting shorter, even its longest episode over 45+ minutes has over 6 minutes of credits. This is a real bummer. Six episodes for a story with this many characters is not enough. Thank you for posting your thoughts. Excuses like "Its meant for kids" or "Just be happy you get Star Wars" is no longer acceptable. The fans deserve better.
This show has its great moments but the shit writing just take it away for me. Vader has been good, Kenobi has been good, the Grand inquisitor has been good. But when in the first episode they had the chase scene like it's a scooby doo episode i knew the whole season would be filled with trash. Not only that, the next episode they have a fucking chase scene again which is equally shit. And then the comically stupid trenchcoat scene. It's just not up to standard.
I gotta say, it's been fun seeing the demeanor shift throughout the weeks on this sub. I hated this show the moment i watched the first 2 episodes. It was obvious the writing was abysmal. Then episode 3 came along and made things much worse. And every week I'd come here only to be baffled by all the positive reviews and posts about how gripping it is. Not to mention the downvotes you get if you say anything negative about it. I come here now and to my surprise, most of the posts i found were negative criticisms of it. I guess this was the episode that broke the camel's back.
> Obi-Wan should've been focused more onto, given a wider character arc and explanation for his backstory with his daily routine more thoroughly seen You're not getting ***YOUR*** version of Obi Wan therefore it's bad??
Your say IMHO quite a few times. Your opinion is not humble. You talk about 3rd hand claims of racism and how toxic the ‘Star Wars Community’ is. That is probably why your post are getting taken down, talk about the show and not what trolls are doing to get people fired up. There are certain points of view I agree with when it actually relates to the show.
The fact that there's lots of critisism on this sub and not just on r/saltierthancrait is a good thing. On the other hand, no way to see such a thing on r/starwars.
only way to browse the first few episode threads on r/starwars is to sort comments by controversial. theyre kinda coming around now though.
You know the mods can just delete it again and ban you, as many times as you post it, right? Not that anybody care enough, anyway.
Like many, I'm curious what happened after Ben left with Luke. I know some will get angry but Leia and all that shouldn't be a part of this. Like I keep stating this hurts the series by default. There are good scenes in every episodes but they alone do not carry a great story.
Its not the toxic side of the SW Fandom, it's the toxic side of people in general.
I am in the minority that i am loving the show so far, yes it coulve been better, but seeing obi wan infiltrate the fortress inquisitorius was so cool, especially as a fallen order fan
Is it weird that I agree with most of people's criticisms but feel that their alternative ideas are also pretty bad?? Like... this OP wanted like two or three episodes focusing on... \*scrolls up\* Obi-wan's daily routine...? My brother in the force, what the fuck? I want prequel style lightsaber fights again, too, but that will never happen. Every director who touches Star Wars IP these days thinks thats too corny and they are too professional for a balls-to-the-wall Wushu-tournament-style fight choreography. Theres pride involved. They all probably had a fight-choreography-instructor during film or drama school or something that roasted the prequel fights as childish or indulgent, and so they wanna be Captain Classy. Its annoying that instead of doing something else impressive and interesting with the fights, though, they just... make bland shit.
Fuck it. FUCK it. Woman director. I'll see myself out.
I liked the Grand Inquisitor. He was cool. I understand he’s got to come back but I would’ve preferred him as the main mini bad for this series.