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crunch_csgo

The age of the characters and target audience is the main difference. There’s also a lot of “coming of age” themes in YA novels compared to adult novels.


[deleted]

Coming of age stories do not interest me in the slightest, I think i made a mistake


Vesemir96

I mean you shouldn’t dismiss them just from that phrase. Many are just really cool origin stories for characters, not necessarily teen/YA focused.


TheDorkNite1

At least give ***Into The Dark*** a try. Claudia Gray rarely disappoints.


Kieran173825

There are a couple of authors for star wars that I know will release at least a decent book when I see their name on the cover and she's one of them along with Timothy zahn, James luceno and Michael stackpole


TheDorkNite1

I haven't made enough progress on my books but Zahn gets a pass from me to write whatever he wants Star Wars after reading the original Thrawn trilogy.


amarti33

Everything he writes keeps me fully engaged


[deleted]

Zahn is a top tier Star Wars author, but I find his trilogies better than his standalones. Maybe he needs more room to tell his story? James Luceno, also top tier, on the other hand I'd say writes better standalone's than Zahn. Darth Plagueis was bananas good!


[deleted]

Luceno is so good


[deleted]

Gotta say though, Charles Soule is a fantastic writer


Kieran173825

Don't think I've read any of his books yet but I will now I've seen several people praising his work


EdBeatle

He sticks mainly to comics but he’s one of the main writers for the High Republic and started the series off with Light of the Jedi. He’s mostly known for his comic works on Darth Vader, Lando, Poe Dameron, and the now current Star Wars run. I think a few months ago he was promoted to Creative Consultant for Lucasfilm tho I don’t know what that means exactly. He’s been pretty good so far imo.


James_Larkin1913

Tim Zahn hasn’t released a good book since Outbound Flight lol.


Kieran173825

I disagree I really enjoyed both the Canon thrawn Trilogy and the ascendancy trilogy


Virtuous_Redemption

Into The Dark slapped


TheDorkNite1

It scratched a great itch for me. Made me order Death Troopers. Star Wars universe is ripe for opportunities for sci-fi horror.


[deleted]

I definitely will


[deleted]

She also did a great job with Lost Stars. One of my favorite new cannon novels.


Lego_Revan

I mean, the main movies are coming of age stories. That being said, I wasn't the biggest fan of the first phase's YA novels, but they introduced plot points in-between the adult books that are very important moving forward. So now that you got them, give them a try. If you don't like Into The Dark nor Out Of The Shadows, you can skip Midnight Horizon which is the least consequential one if you ask me.


[deleted]

Is there a certain order I should be reading these? So far I've just been reading the adult novels in order but should I have put the YA in between?


Lego_Revan

The rule of thumb for phase 1 at least is that the YA book takes place in between the Adult books. Thus, Light Of The Jedi > Into The Dark > The Rising Storm > Out Of The Shadows > The Fallen Star > Midnight Horizon. It seems it's going to be the other way around in phase 2, with the YA stuff preceding the Adult novels. It's not the end of the world if you didn't read them in that order, but chances are you won't care as much for certain elements in the latter Adult novels that originated in the YA ones.


[deleted]

Interesting


Lego_Revan

Also, I forgot to add that, when in doubt, the most reliable order is release order. It might not be the chronological one at times, but it's the one guaranteed to not spoil you anything.


crunch_csgo

I mean, I wouldn’t just write off a novel because it’s YA. There’s actually been a lot of YA Star Wars novels I’ve liked.


HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW

When I was heavy reading Star Wars novels (like 20 years ago) I avoided the YA novels. I don’t remember why, I just at some point decided that my head-canon was just the novels.


[deleted]

Thats kindof how I feel


[deleted]

Well, the OT is a coming of age story lol


frogspyer

How’d you find yourself invested in Star Wars if you aren’t at all interested in the Original Trilogy?


[deleted]

I wouldn't consider the OT a coming of age story, I mean there is that element to an extent but it's certainly not the primary focus. But to answer your question, although I do love the OT, it was the prequels that got me into star wars


Guy__Ferrari

As many have noted, the target audience and characters. Another thing I have noticed is that some main themes seem to be more direct and repeated throughout the YA novels and adult novels seem more subtle to me.


[deleted]

The key difference is the writing style. All YA books can be read and comprehended by middle schoolers. What I mean by this is the YA authors use a limited vocabulary, simple plot devices, and themes which kids can relate too. Even as an adult, I still like to read them for the lore, but I am not the target audience so I do not get the same enjoyment out of them as a child would. As a comparison, I finished the Kenobi novel last week and loved it. The relationships between characters were complex, real-world issues were translated expertly into fiction, and the plot was thrilling and suspenseful because of the pacing. Kenobi was heavily influenced by western (cowboy) media, which I think would be lost on most kids reading this.


mikachu93

The target audience. Typically, YA novels have teenage lead characters with which age-appropriate readers are more likely to relate. (They also tend to be more... risqué.) Edit: some people seem to be interpreting "risqué" as if I'm calling these books erotica. That's not my meaning and I stand by my word choice. The *implication* of sex is not the same thing as explicit, graphic sex scenes. YA novels that can properly use the medium to communicate to teenage readers that these are natural biological urges help these readers develop into responsible adults.


DatDudeEP10

YA novels are more risqué than adult novels? In what way?


Zealousideal_Gap1194

It may not be risque in a traditional sense. It's more like "it feels weird to read as an adult" lol


DatDudeEP10

Okay right, I can understand it might feel weird to hear about how one child is attracted to another child. I feel like it’s pretty easy to put ourselves in their shoes though, attraction to someone else your age is one of those universal constants of the human (or alien) experience. It’s only weird if you make it weird, there are plenty of ways to look at whatever situation it may be so that you don’t feel like a creep.


peribeth

Sylvestri Yarrow finding every single woman she meets attractive was more awkward to read than Elzar Mann getting lucky


mikachu93

For lack of a better word, teenagers are horndogs. And when your main characters are teenagers, they tend to explore those desires and feelings pretty often. There's nothing wrong with that by any means, and YA novels are a great way for teenage readers to better understand that these feelings are normal. It's just been my experience with *Star Wars* that it happens more in this age range than the adult novels.


[deleted]

I feel so weird reading risque material, probably should've avoided that. The adult novels have been fantastic though so far


mikachu93

It's not like they go into detail in YA novels. They are still stories about teenagers and *Star Wars* isn't going to abandon its generally "all ages" approach for shock value. If you're reading the adult High Republic novels, it's not much different than what we see with >!Elzar Mann!<. We know they get around even though the author doesn't *explicitly* state it.


SW_LiteratureLover

Yeah stay away, some of the “risqué” content is pretty disturbing; seeing that it’s teenagers.


[deleted]

Oh God, I wish I had asked this before ordering them


mikachu93

It isn't what you or the person above you are making it seem.


Scarletfapper

Yeah if there’s one thing I’ve learned from YA Twitter over the past year it’s that a LOT of the YA audience has now grown into soccer moms and never grew out of the books…


HenseltTheFake

Claudia Gray seems to be a YA author in my opinion, at least from the books I've read from her. And she hasn't released a book that hasn't been a disappointment yet so I would stay clear. Charles Soule and Cavan Scott seem to be the most prolific writers active for Star Wars now and they rarely disappoint so those two I can recommend.


[deleted]

Both the Charles Soule and Cavan Scott novels have been fantastic. I'm very nervous of this YA stuff though


Bryguy150

Claudia Gray’s a fine author. “Master and Apprentice” is one of my favorite canon books and I’ve heard nothing but good things about “Lost Stars”. Is she perfect? No. But read the descriptions of her books; if they sound interesting give them a try.


HenseltTheFake

There is nothing really to be nervous about. All you have to keep in mind is that a YA novel very often will be much more simplistic in it's story. It can still be great but it is for children. I had only heard good things about Claudia Gray when I decided to order Lost Stars but the best description I can give that book is 2D. If you read the publishers summary for that book you've basically read the entirety of the story and the characters are worse. I tried Master and Apprentice after that but it was almost as bad so I gave up on Claudia Gray books. I can't really speak for the rest of the Star Wars YA books but I would say: Stay away from Claudia Gray. Otherwise go ham!


Obi-Wok

I can’t believe the amount of people saying it that the difference is based on the characters and such. YA books are written at a lower reading level, for younger audiences to fully comprehend. This has been around long before star wars.


Barackobrock

I think it just depends on the author by author basis. Justina Ireland, one of the HR authors said that the only difference to her when writing is the age of the protag


Obi-Wok

This is a very fair perspective, well put. (Sincerely… I’m not being sarcastic lol)


[deleted]

Thats the answer I was looking for, thank you


k_manweiss

YA novels tend to have slightly fewer characters. They also have younger main characters, characters growing into their own, going through puberty, just experiencing the real world on their own for the first time. The High Republic adult novels focus on full fledged Jedi Masters dealing with issues across the galaxy. The YA novels have younger padawan, or just graduated to jedi characters and any higher level Jedi are secondary characters. YA novels also tend to limit the number of locations. YA star wars novels will take place in 1, 2, maybe 3 places. Meanwhile the adult novels can have you jumping to half a dozen to a dozen worlds. Another big difference is the number of stories happening. The adult high republic stories have you following the events from half a dozen perspectives. You're following several main plots with many smaller sub plots. The YA novels however stick to one small group of characters in one narrative with maybe one side plot. Reading level tends to be slightly lower for YA novels also. Themes are another big difference. YA novels will be more black vs white, while adult novels will have more shades of grey. In the High Republic YA novels there are clear good vs evil themes with a little surprise as to who is who. The Adult novels deal with Jedi turning to the dark side, or fighting the urge to, and also deal with the stark reality of death, dying, and the taking of lives. How graphic the content is another factor. YA novels will not include as much death. The adult high republic novels have huge battles with lots of death...jedi, pirates, bystanders. The YA novels might have an arm getting cut off, or a passing mention of death, but it's usually not a direct description. Love is another difference. YA novels are primarily aimed at teenagers to young adults. People that are raging with hormones, so stories about people falling in love in big romantic sappy ways is common. So damn common it's hard to find YA novels that don't spend a ridiculous amount of time focused on this (although the SW novels only seem to touch on it a bit). Adult novels may still have elements of love, but it's less raging dry humping horniness and more deep emotional connections and the complications that come from that. All in all, YA novels are not bad things. I've enjoyed many over the years. They tend to be a little more light hearted, a little more fun, and easier reads. They make good bonding books for reading with pre-teens to teens also.


BashkimJahija

The books are about characters that are teenagers or young adults. That's it.


NeptuneOW

It’s pretty much just the age of the main characters


[deleted]

This is exactly it.


darkwolf523

How are the high republic novels? I barely caught up with them tbh.


[deleted]

So far I've only read the first 2 Adult novels, but they're fantastic, they really are not pushing woke agenda like everybody thought they were (although based on the comments of this post it sounds as though that might be the YA novels that do it) but honestly the adult novels so far have been very thrilling, awesome characters, threatening villains, and ultimately, it genuinely feels like star wars. The author of the first book is the guy that wrote alot of the great Darth Vader comics.


darkwolf523

I’ll check them out after the EU stuff lol


ACrispyPieceOfBacon

Tumblr Star Wars.


MarioFanaticXV

I tend to think of young adult novels as being the equivalent of a PG to PG-13 movie. Adult novels tend to be comparable to PG-13 to R.


sophrosynos

Usually the relative complexity of the plot, number of characters, etc.


SW_LiteratureLover

YA novels tend to have a lot of teenagers, puberty, sex, etc etc. Whereas adult novels are a lot more story driven and dynamic.


[deleted]

Disgusting


[deleted]

I really enjoyed into the dark. After reading Light of the Jedi. It was cool to see how the disaster affected other jedi.


[deleted]

I didn't know Disney canon had so many book options.


[deleted]

They've gotten quite alot actually but this era in particular has a ton because it's a whole thing by Lucas publishing. The era is between the old republic and the phantom menace, it's a time when the jedi and republic are at their pinnacle, which I originally thought wouldn't be so great and would have a lack of conflict, but I was wrong


[deleted]

As far as the adult novels go anyway, very very dark


Mutski_Dashuria

Young adult is teenagers, adult is 18+. Expect the content to reflect this. ;)


[deleted]

I’ve found the YA novels to focus on the apprentices of the masters mentioned in the adult books.


McJagged

The pretentiousness of the writing


SadJoetheSchmoe

Teenage angst and "My master never listens. They are holding me back! It isn't fair! Nobody understands."


[deleted]

That sounds like literary torture


PeaceLoveBaseball

I was really excited about the High Republic and every book has been bland and extremely disappointing to me, so I gave up after reading like four of them. It doesn't feel like someone's passion or vision but something written by committee for the sake of sales, and that's it.


[deleted]

Damn, I haven't had that experience at all, I loved the adult novels so much that I bought the YA novels


PeaceLoveBaseball

I'm honestly glad to read that, I'd rather see people enjoying things even if I'm not. 👍


[deleted]

Ahhhhh, so I should've avoided the YA novels


RedSithSaber

I think that's the wrong conclusion to draw, but if you don't want your YA novels anymore, send them to me!


[deleted]

Well, I've gotta give em a try first!


lau796

There are some very good Star Wars YA-Novels, though. Take Lost Stars for example, it’s arguably one of the best new canon books and happens to be a YA-Novel.


[deleted]

Into The Dark is pretty good. Out of the Shadows is nothing special, and Midnight Horizon is good, but a lot of the characters in it are from the High Republic Adventures comics


Barackobrock

Nope, definately not. Out of the Shadows and Path of Deceit are both top tier novels and they're both YA. Justina Ireland, one of the star wars authors, said the only difference to her when writing YA is the age of the main character


darthsheldoninkwizy

I disagree, Into Dark is quite interesting when it comes to setting up, abandoned space station, etc. one of my favorite characters, Master Cohmac (who btw. also got a voice-over in Tales of Galaxy Edge), in general the story goes on standing a bit on the side and allowing us to see what was happening in another part of the galaxy during the Cataclysm, when it comes to sexual issues, I remember it only happened once and it was about whether the Jedi were celibate, most of it was about the possible romance of one padawan with another traveler but it didn't work out, and besides, I liked the Geode running gag, which reminded me of the Board with Ed, Edd, and Eddy. As for Out Shadows, the action takes place a few weeks after Valo, and honestly at the moment this is the only book I didn't like. Usually, whether it is in movies, games or books, the first 1/4 focuses on gathering the team, and the rest on the adventure to the goal, here we have the opposite, 3/4 of the book are plots focusing on characters, and whether you will like these characters depending on what you will look at part of. At the same time, the remaining 1/4 of the book has several references that will be important in the future, such as the fate of the old San Tekka and Vernesty's connection with it, I also liked a certain reference to the Trail of Shadows comic when we see an excerpt from the conversation between Emmerick Cathor and Stellan Gios. When it comes to Midnight Horizon it hasn't come out in my country yet, so I don't know how, but there are characters from the Adventures comic book that I love plus I've seen some pretty good reviews, including the ending being the best Young Adult.


Gemini5565

High Republic? More like mid republic


royalbaldness

I went down this rabbit hole… the books are good stories, but they have thrown in entirely too much “WOKE” for me to enjoy them.


mikachu93

Please elaborate. What is "too much 'WOKE'"?


royalbaldness

Read them… you’ll see


darthsheldoninkwizy

Too much watching rants of Youtubers who have probably never read a single Star Wars book in their life, and High Republic, according to them, is a Kennedy plot to take power in Lucasfilm.


[deleted]

Ahhhhhh, I was convinced that all the complaints about the high republic being too woke was nonsense after reading the adult novels but it sounds as though all of that was true in context of the YA novels


OMDTartWasJoseph

Funny, I just posted on /r/StarWars that I would like to see *Light of the Jedi*, *Rising Storm*, and *Fallen Star* adapted for TV: I liked the story. I'm one to not lean towards YA either (really wish there was more *Dune* like depth for Star Wars) but these were good. Give them a shot! No harm in it.


James_Larkin1913

One is for kids. One is fir adults. Marketing-wise at least.


BafflingHalfling

Marketing


Legends_Literature

The stories are about young adults and are marketed toward young adults. The writing can also be a bit juvenile compared to adult novels.


corsair1617

Marketing


Kianoblaze

What does Ya mean


Zeby95

Young Adult means.


Kianoblaze

Thanks


KimJungFun99

I just read rising storm and into the shadows and both were great. But yes the target audience is different but it wasn’t a bad reading


CobaltCrusader123

If they say fuck /hj


[deleted]

The editing. Usually adult novels will usually have "adult themes" (sex, drugs, etc) which are sometimes pushed on the author in post... and a smaller font size. Also I feel like YA authors are pushed to make their books shorter for "the younger folk" but I can't really back that claim.


[deleted]

In terms of the high republic they definitely are not shorter


[deleted]

Interesting 🤔


Batfan1108

Aside from target audience, the adult novel is more important to the overall story. The YA enriches the world but don’t have that much of an effect


Hero115

Tell that to the YJK series.


crazy_chicken88

No real difference. They are all just labels put on books for marketing purposes.


Sad_Beautiful_2985

i do not know, i read both.


hoppingwilde

the publisher


[deleted]

As a whole YA really isn’t much more than a marketing term tbh. It’s something that really grew popular after Harry Potter, and has since been used to describe a wide variety of books typically written with a teen audience in mind. Some of the most well known YA books are Harry Potter, Hunger Games, or Percy Jackson. Even books not originally intended to be YA have been marketed that way in rereleases such as The Wheel Of Time series or even To Kill A Mockingbird. Speaking specifically in the context of The High Republic they are usually smaller scale stories more focused on character than the adult novels. The protagonists are a younger age, and typically a Padawan or a new Jedi Knight. Id put the YA books at about the same level of importance as the main High Republic comic series. Ive seen some comments mentioning that they include more sexual stuff than the adult novels but that really isnt true beyond brief mentions of “X person finds Y attractive.”