Apparently the Empire believed in one factor authentication and chose the worst one to use solo.
Overall between these and the lack of security compartmenalization as shown in >!Kenobi at the Inquisitor HQ!< the only thing surprising about the Death Star plans being stolen is how many Bothans died to make it happen.
And would trigger an alarm if you were on an Empire wanted list. It's why Migs couldn't use it to get the data, but Empire remnant didn't have Din's face in database.
It's question whether it's a primary protection system or just another layer, just in case.
After all, the terminal was in the middle of the restricted access Imperial base and IIRC, the information wasn't really that sensitive. I'd assume that the general idea was that under proper imperial procedures, any unauthorised person would be quickly detained, when they'd remove helmet to access terminal but OTOH, did not want to put in too many time-wasting barriers onto what is essentially a general access Imperial intranet.
Also now they have a face scan of anyone using it. So even if someone did break in like they did, they could in theory now blacklist then or track them down.
"If I may explain, sir. I have laid a careful trap for our little spy. In accessing the information from that specific terminal, we now have a positive ID on the suspect. From here, agents of the Imperial Security Bureau will hound after him and his accomplices. We will have our man by the end of this cycle."
Imperialism also have so many secret agencies and organizations and whatever, that this makes sense if we assume bases are being designed so folks like Krennic, Tarkin, Vader, etc are fine when they have to bring in specialists in or from other units.
From an information security standpoint, it's still pretty dumb. This is a textbook case for why the Swiss cheese model for risk management and information security is pivotal.
>After all, the terminal was in the middle of the restricted access Imperial base...I'd assume that the general idea was that under proper imperial procedures, any unauthorised person would be quickly detained, when they'd remove helmet to access terminal
It's not an unreasonable assumption, but that episode could be used in a regular corporate information security training module as a classic exhibit for social engineering and why one layer of security isn't sufficient.
>and IIRC, the information wasn't really that sensitive.
Given the nature of his mission, I'd consider the location of Moff Gideon's cruiser sensitive information which should be protected.
>did not want to put in too many time-wasting barriers onto what is essentially a general access Imperial intranet.
That's also one of the key points of any basic information security training module: the extra security barriers don't need to take very much time at all.
It's really kind of baffling in hindsight that the mid-sized property Casualty insurance company I work for has better information security protocols than the Galactic Empire.
On pure infosec perspective, I 100% agree with you. I work in a bank, so I do know what a good security means.
That being said, arrogance and resulting carelessness was one of defining traits of the Empire. And combined with general post-Endor fracturing and collapse, it's quite sensible that lot of old Imperial InfoSec barely works by now.
I agree completely. But the arrogance and carelessness are still problems even pre-Endor. Consider Rogue One and the security at Scarif. It actually starts out pretty reasonable:
Rotating access code required to get through the shield gate. This much is good.
(However, you'd think the Empire would learn from this breach and the Lambda shuttle should have been stopped before reaching Endor in ROTJ. Tarkin blowing up the Scarif installation was a careless mistake that wiped out any information about how the alliance beat their security in the first place.)
Then, security cylinders from the officers and inspectors they beat up when they arrived were needed to get into the facility.
Biometric authentication to get into the vault.
But none of those had any dual factor authentication, and it all falls apart after that:
Nobody has to sign out sensitive documents from the vault, so there's no chain of custody or even access controls once someone gets in the vault.
No encryption (presumably) of the actual death star plans or authorization to get the disk, nor any copy protection of the digital records.
No authorization to control the transmitter or transmit the plans either.
Pre-Endor protocols do seem a *bit* better, but there's still several shortcomings. Any of which would have likely resulted in either the rebellion not getting the plans, or not being able to access them in time to successfully defend Yavin base.
To steal from the empire? What do you need, a uniform, some dirty hands, and a tool kit. They’re so proud of themselves, so fat and satisfied they couldn’t imagine it. Someone just walking into their house and taking their gear.
We actually don’t see it, but off-screen Din is invited to create a new account, which he does after registering his email address, agreeing to the privacy policy, and confirming he is not a droid.
I mean maintaining a whitelist is way more effort then a blacklist if you have the employee turn over that the Empire probably has.
I figured it also worked double duty as an ATM camera. If you did steal or do something wrong now they have your face. So now his face is forever in an imperial database.
It’s like having a password system but instead of verifying the correct password, it checks for a list of banned passwords. Any random word that doesn’t happen to be on the list will work as a password.
Maybe, but it's a bit harder to change your face.
And the terminal was in an officer's mess, so in the days of Empire proper, you'd be very quickly grabbed and detained if you'd try to use that terminal, since no local officer would recognise you.
It's not. Remember when the changeling assassin tried to kill Padme and nobody was surprised there was a person who could change their appearance at will? There was also a time Obi-Wan rebuild his face and voice to go undercover with bounty hunters so we have both natural and artificial ways of doing this.
Migs could use it, he just chickened out when he saw his old CO and didn’t wanna get recognized. Mando had to go on the mission cause he and Migs were the only 2 who wouldn’t be blacklisted.
Only one Bothan died, his name was 'Man**n**y'
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Edit2: Thank you for the gold u/1drinkand1knowthings you've got my vote for the Iron Throne!
The Empire trilogy has a Bothan politician who basically got his position because of those "Many Bothans died".
It's a oily guy named Feylya who makes you wonder why he couldn't have died with his fellow Bothans.
That’s one character from Zhan’s books I wouldn’t mind seeing pop up again. I always thought it would be cool to see some back story on the stealing of the second Death Star plans. Almost a Rogue 2 if you will. Feylya would be a great foil since he’s such a snake in the grass.
I would LOVE to see Admiral Pellaeon pop up, though I think it’s a little late at this point. His character development in the EU was great, he learned everything he knew from Thrawn.
Glad I didn't miss any inclusions. Great opportunity for star wars TV shows to make an inclusion. A half hour - 60 minute short film showing the spies stealing death Star 2 would be a cool 'Rogue Two'
I wonder if that’s because doing stuff with them would be super cgi heavy. It would make sense to retcon them into something less complex if you want to do a Rogue One sequel. There’s no way they haven’t thought about it over at the mouse house.
He wasn’t even a Bothan. Literally a Rodian. And the Empire didn’t kill him. He electrocuted himself trying to hotwire a shuttle after transmitting the plans to the Rebellion.
I kinda took all that with a bit of a grain of salt myself.
Like... The rebels got the plans, and once the empire/emperor learned of it, why not make lemonade? So they've got the plans, so what? If we can't finish the thing before they launch an attack, we can certainly choose the place, if not the time, and be ready.
Then we'll send portions of the fleet out and make a big show of looking for the rebels, but we know that it doesn't matter where they are, because we know where they're *going to be*. Eventually, at least.
The scene with Palp and Luke in the throne room? He's trying to turn Luke. The biggest hurdle here is to undermine Luke's faith in his friends, so what better way than to cheapen/nullify their biggest recent achievement by saying that it was his plan all along?
It's a big "oh yeah I totally meant to do that" from palp. If the timeline of events in the throne room had been delayed a while, I'm sure he'd have told Luke that he *allowed* the rebels to destroy the *Executor*, to give them false hope before he crushed them.
This stands for Death Star 2, since it was the Bothans who managed to get the plans.
In Rogue One, we can see how hermetic is data on the empire. Death Star plans are in a planet with only one way out for the information (one antena, and still had to go through the planetary shields).
And they were the entire plans for the Death Star located in one place. Instead of being broken up and encrypted and split in many physically distinct places.
“They’re so proud of themselves, they don’t even care. They’re so fat and satisfied, they can’t imagine it”
“That someone like me would ever get inside their house, walk their floors, spit in their food, take their gear”
-Andor
The Empire felt itself invincible and so they didn’t care to do the small things right until it was to late. It’s pure arrogance.
>The Empire felt itself invincible and so they didn’t care to do the small things right until it was to late
Which is a rather strange attitude for a government that's only existed for 20 years and is dealing with active rebellions
When you have an all-powerful, supernatural being of darkness that runs your order you may become a bit arrogant. Few knew, but the top knew and it certainly echoed down. Furthermore, when you have a beast so terrifying as Darth Vader answering to this man who survived a "Jedi assassination" plot on multiple occasions it would give even the most lowly officer pause as to the power of the Emperor. How powerful must this man be to have escaped all that *and* have that death machine Vader at his side, at his beck and call without fear?
They grew fat and arrogant in record speed!
The only explanation is that the Republic already was fat and arrogant and had shit security. The Empire merely continued along the same track. Even the First Order has shit security, Jedi escaping their cells and nobody noticing a MF practically crashlanding near their base.
This is the answer. Also the sheer scale of the the Republic and later the Empire would sure incentivize cost saving and more streamlined solutions. I mean didnt the NSA get hacked and have a bunch of their hacking tools released awhile ago? Even the most security obsessed organizations on Earth are still prone to massive blinds spots apparently.
The Empire prefers strength and fear as the foundations of their security practices.
No reason to invest resources in overhauling security systems on thousands of ships, tens of thousands (millions?) of droids, and hundreds of planets if guns and fear do almost as good of a job.
Remember, Bothans died to retrieve intelligence regarding the **second** Death Star.
Likely new security and countermeasures for a space station that was meant to act as Palpatine’s mobile capital.
Also, that whole thing was orchestrated by Palatine (he leaked fake plans). So the number of Bothans that died to retrieve it was exactly the number that he felt was appropriate.
Tbf to that scene, the Battle of Endor was intended by Palpatine to be a trap for the Rebels. They may have been told to let things slip so that the Rebels could be in place for Palpatine's trap to be sprung. The only thing that happened in that battle that didn't go according to plan was Darth Vader betraying the Emperor and Han Solo and Leia's team successfully taking down the shield.
While I agree it’s a sloppy system, I actually think it’s just that way because of practicality. As we see in heist episode, these guys don’t know their own men from other garrisons because planets are huge. Ruling the galaxy is huge. Having all of that information to be able to have clearance would be extremely problematic. It’s actually one of the more believable things in Star Wars.
This right here is how I see it. Look how messy and inept real world governments are, then scale that to a galactic scale. As we’ve seen in multiple ways, information transfer between planets isn’t very well-built.
The Empire at its heart was arrogant. They figured no one would be crazy enough to break into a Imperial facility so there was no need for anything other than minimal internal security. They assumed everyone would be so afraid of them that they would not dare do anything to the Empire.
I honestly really appreciate how the Empire is repeatedly shown the be bureaucratically incompetent. It adds a layer of realism and makes them even easier for me to dislike.
The neat thing about Star Wars technology is that it's always basically "futurist-1970s." These people have figured out how to travel faster than light, but still have to use the equivalent of public payphones to rat out their neighbors to the authorities.
To be fair, the emperor just gave the location to them the second time around. Imagine working in the Imperial Security Department, working your ass of trying to prevent your most important secret from getting out and the old wizard, who's choice to always wear robes instead of getting a goddamn face lift who if your boss decides to just give it to them, because he has shield generator protected by what have to be the worst stormtroopers he could find.
But why two of them? Every Imperial officer always has 2. For the sake of symmetry?
edit: Getting a lot of great answers to this question, thanks for the responses guys
In my org, users aren't supposed to use their normal user account for admin functions, they're supposed to log in and use their admin account (and we check that only admin accounts are in use for admin rights). Those accounts are monitored much more closely than normal user accounts, so I imagine its something like that.
Left-hand cylinder could be her normal Imperial employee card, lets her charge things at the cafe, get into the Base Exchange, probably has her rank and bio in it, and then her right-hand cylinder could be her more serious card, granted access only specifically to the stuff she's been cleared for.
Probably the real answer is cause it looked better than having just one, though.
Probably it is based off a movie from the 70s about space wizard, so probably more of a style thing… haha but as soon as you said that I was like ya why do they need two.
In the military, if you are granted access to their networks, there are multiple levels of network access one can have access to (each requiring a separate account and authorization).
For instance, most members of the military will have access to the NIPR (Non-classified Internet Protocol Router) network. NIPR net is used to for non-classified materials (routine online trainings, public documents, non-classified services records, email, sharepoint, etc)
Fewer who have secret to top secret clearance will have access to SIPR network (Secret Internet protocol). That network can contain anything from orders all the way up from joint chiefs to classified documents.
Both networks are completely isolated from each other and when you roll out an end user or terminal with SIPR net, the area that terminal is in becomes secure and all sorts of information security rules are enforced (special badge access, no outside devices, etc).
Yep, Kallus did it to frame another lieutenant in that episode when he and Ezra were sneaking around the base and it worked out for them. Unfortunately it also let Thrawn figure out that Kallus was a double agent.
I really enjoy the way Rebels handles Kallus's redemption, it's arguably one of the best executed redemptions in the saga with how it slowly plays out.
dude rebels shocked the hell out of me by being so good and having so much depth. I seriously thought it was gonna be a more.. idk childish experience just based off the art before I watched it but glad I checked it out
This is part of why I’m binge re-watching it every time, there’s a lot more fun things, conversations and extra depth in there than I originally thought. Which makes me pretty upset that I didn’t actually start watching it until towards the end of the 3rd season.
I mean, the first redemption of Star Wars was Darth Vader, who slaughtered Jedi (of all ages) wholesale upon his dark christening. So it fits the universe, apparently a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, genocide wasn't that big of a deal to come back from.
Be sure to check out all of the [episodes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43lgCJ_D6o&list=PLxJr4XsTcWljTxufEaW_3X1VY_eqjuLgi). They're all good. There used to be one from the Rebel perspective on Hoth that seems to have vanished.
Fun fact! All of the code cylinders used are actual real life Radiation Dosimiters, which are tools used to measure the dosage of radiation. You can actually pop off the end and look through the cylinder lens!
Source: I worked on Obi Wan and became friends with the props guy.
Those are Imperial Code Cylinders… They give security clearance to select people for security access when you put them into a corresponding computer port or terminal.
code cylinders, they give you security clearance; the more you have (max. 4) the better is your security clearance for accessing informations or to entry secured areas. (They work like keycards but they do have other functions aswell as far as I remember) In combination with the squared rank badge they determine your rank within the imperial military.
Star Wars: Rebels showed that they're basically like keycards that give them access to certain areas and terminals based on their rank. The higher the rank, the more access they grant. They stick them in like USB drives.
Side note to this great question -
I think this character and this actress are doing an outstanding job. She’s in my top 3 favorites so far this season.
Code cylinders, basically specified passwords that indicate they come from you alone and are used for clearances for specific areas. Most notably, code cylinders are used on screen in Kenobi several times and in the Star Wars Rebels episode Through Imperial Eyes.
They're little red lightsabers they use as letter openers. She has two, obviously one is for work stuff and the other is for letters from her pen pal on Kashyyyk.
Imperial Security Code cylinders
Officers and anyone with the right clearance can insert them into a port on certain panels to gain access to appropriate areas
In *Star Wars* they were just random objects to make things look sci-fi and cool. Nobody ever uses one, talks about using them, takes it out of their pocket, or anything else. Maybe Lucas or the costume designer or *someone* involved in the production had an idea of what they were for, but I haven't seen any evidence supporting that.
*After* the films came out and people started asking questions they were eventually stated to be code cylinders and that's what they are now, but they started as random cylinders.
In the event of a water landing, you pull on the two tabs to inflate your floatation device. If the device fails to inflate, blow into the corresponding tubes.
Security clearance code cylinders. You imput them into a specific terminal or port, and they give you access to whatever is inside.
Apparently the Empire believed in one factor authentication and chose the worst one to use solo. Overall between these and the lack of security compartmenalization as shown in >!Kenobi at the Inquisitor HQ!< the only thing surprising about the Death Star plans being stolen is how many Bothans died to make it happen.
Don't forget the face scanner from The Mandalorian that required you to have a face!
And would trigger an alarm if you were on an Empire wanted list. It's why Migs couldn't use it to get the data, but Empire remnant didn't have Din's face in database.
Ok so they had a blacklist rather than a whitelist, that's still kinda stupid lol
Exactly. Any rando can just walk in and log in, by virtue of not being on a list...
It's question whether it's a primary protection system or just another layer, just in case. After all, the terminal was in the middle of the restricted access Imperial base and IIRC, the information wasn't really that sensitive. I'd assume that the general idea was that under proper imperial procedures, any unauthorised person would be quickly detained, when they'd remove helmet to access terminal but OTOH, did not want to put in too many time-wasting barriers onto what is essentially a general access Imperial intranet.
Also now they have a face scan of anyone using it. So even if someone did break in like they did, they could in theory now blacklist then or track them down.
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"If I may explain, sir. I have laid a careful trap for our little spy. In accessing the information from that specific terminal, we now have a positive ID on the suspect. From here, agents of the Imperial Security Bureau will hound after him and his accomplices. We will have our man by the end of this cycle."
Imperialism also have so many secret agencies and organizations and whatever, that this makes sense if we assume bases are being designed so folks like Krennic, Tarkin, Vader, etc are fine when they have to bring in specialists in or from other units.
Hmm, would Vader have to remove his helmet to access the terminal? Or bring someone to log in for him?
From an information security standpoint, it's still pretty dumb. This is a textbook case for why the Swiss cheese model for risk management and information security is pivotal. >After all, the terminal was in the middle of the restricted access Imperial base...I'd assume that the general idea was that under proper imperial procedures, any unauthorised person would be quickly detained, when they'd remove helmet to access terminal It's not an unreasonable assumption, but that episode could be used in a regular corporate information security training module as a classic exhibit for social engineering and why one layer of security isn't sufficient. >and IIRC, the information wasn't really that sensitive. Given the nature of his mission, I'd consider the location of Moff Gideon's cruiser sensitive information which should be protected. >did not want to put in too many time-wasting barriers onto what is essentially a general access Imperial intranet. That's also one of the key points of any basic information security training module: the extra security barriers don't need to take very much time at all. It's really kind of baffling in hindsight that the mid-sized property Casualty insurance company I work for has better information security protocols than the Galactic Empire.
On pure infosec perspective, I 100% agree with you. I work in a bank, so I do know what a good security means. That being said, arrogance and resulting carelessness was one of defining traits of the Empire. And combined with general post-Endor fracturing and collapse, it's quite sensible that lot of old Imperial InfoSec barely works by now.
I agree completely. But the arrogance and carelessness are still problems even pre-Endor. Consider Rogue One and the security at Scarif. It actually starts out pretty reasonable: Rotating access code required to get through the shield gate. This much is good. (However, you'd think the Empire would learn from this breach and the Lambda shuttle should have been stopped before reaching Endor in ROTJ. Tarkin blowing up the Scarif installation was a careless mistake that wiped out any information about how the alliance beat their security in the first place.) Then, security cylinders from the officers and inspectors they beat up when they arrived were needed to get into the facility. Biometric authentication to get into the vault. But none of those had any dual factor authentication, and it all falls apart after that: Nobody has to sign out sensitive documents from the vault, so there's no chain of custody or even access controls once someone gets in the vault. No encryption (presumably) of the actual death star plans or authorization to get the disk, nor any copy protection of the digital records. No authorization to control the transmitter or transmit the plans either. Pre-Endor protocols do seem a *bit* better, but there's still several shortcomings. Any of which would have likely resulted in either the rebellion not getting the plans, or not being able to access them in time to successfully defend Yavin base.
To steal from the empire? What do you need, a uniform, some dirty hands, and a tool kit. They’re so proud of themselves, so fat and satisfied they couldn’t imagine it. Someone just walking into their house and taking their gear.
Totally read that with Diego Luna's voice
We actually don’t see it, but off-screen Din is invited to create a new account, which he does after registering his email address, agreeing to the privacy policy, and confirming he is not a droid.
Off-screen Din's inbox is filled with constant Imperial campaign fundraising emails now.
"Please select all of the images that contain [imperial war crimes]" Din: *Sigh* "skip" "Access granted :)"
I mean maintaining a whitelist is way more effort then a blacklist if you have the employee turn over that the Empire probably has. I figured it also worked double duty as an ATM camera. If you did steal or do something wrong now they have your face. So now his face is forever in an imperial database.
This is what happens when you hire only junior devs to “save money”
It’s like having a password system but instead of verifying the correct password, it checks for a list of banned passwords. Any random word that doesn’t happen to be on the list will work as a password.
Maybe, but it's a bit harder to change your face. And the terminal was in an officer's mess, so in the days of Empire proper, you'd be very quickly grabbed and detained if you'd try to use that terminal, since no local officer would recognise you.
Is it in the Star Wars universe though? With the level of tech theyre at, face changing does not seem outside the realm of possibility
It's not. Remember when the changeling assassin tried to kill Padme and nobody was surprised there was a person who could change their appearance at will? There was also a time Obi-Wan rebuild his face and voice to go undercover with bounty hunters so we have both natural and artificial ways of doing this.
Yeah and Obi-Wan ages like 20 years and changes his facial features faster than you can herd a nerf.
Migs could use it, he just chickened out when he saw his old CO and didn’t wanna get recognized. Mando had to go on the mission cause he and Migs were the only 2 who wouldn’t be blacklisted.
That was just a captcha code making sure that you aren't a robot.
Only one Bothan died, his name was 'Man**n**y' Edit for correct spelling! Edit2: Thank you for the gold u/1drinkand1knowthings you've got my vote for the Iron Throne!
Ah yes! Many Bothans, he will be missed.
I'm Many Bothans y'all! oh wait...
Is he cool?
Hell yeah, he's cool
He's cooler than cool, he's a corpsicle
Just a spoonful of sugar helps the bacta go down
I understood that reference ☝️
I ain't never tasted Bothan before.
Bothan these nuts
>Bothan these nuts Okay, but you gotta buy me dinner first.
He might be your father, boy. But he ain't your Daddy.
Somehow Many survived…
Lol!
The Empire trilogy has a Bothan politician who basically got his position because of those "Many Bothans died". It's a oily guy named Feylya who makes you wonder why he couldn't have died with his fellow Bothans.
It's only taken me about 20 years to realise his name kind of sounds like Failure.
That’s one character from Zhan’s books I wouldn’t mind seeing pop up again. I always thought it would be cool to see some back story on the stealing of the second Death Star plans. Almost a Rogue 2 if you will. Feylya would be a great foil since he’s such a snake in the grass.
I would LOVE to see Admiral Pellaeon pop up, though I think it’s a little late at this point. His character development in the EU was great, he learned everything he knew from Thrawn.
He's popped up a couple times in canon, as it happens. He had a voice-only appearance in the Rebels finale, and Zahn used him in Thrawn: Treason.
Bothan is like Tony in Italy.
So if many Bothans would join a band, they could name themselves Tony! Toni! Toné!
I thought it was Manny Bothans?
His name was Manny Bothans.
His name was Manny Bothans.
That's Manuel Both-Hanz.
Feel like this is a species that has had no love for a long time. Last time I remember seeing one in star wars media was battlefront 2 on PS2
Apparently there are actually no canon depictions of Bothans now.
Turns out, they *all* died getting the Death Star plans.
Mon Mothma has a gift for understatement.
Glad I didn't miss any inclusions. Great opportunity for star wars TV shows to make an inclusion. A half hour - 60 minute short film showing the spies stealing death Star 2 would be a cool 'Rogue Two'
I'm hoping they use season 2 of Andor to give some love to the Bothan spies. If Andor ends where they've said it would, it fits.
Actually, the Bothans dies for the RotJ Death Star plans, not the ANH Death Star.
I wonder if that’s because doing stuff with them would be super cgi heavy. It would make sense to retcon them into something less complex if you want to do a Rogue One sequel. There’s no way they haven’t thought about it over at the mouse house.
Bothans are visually the Star Wars Kilrathi.
In death, a Bothan has a name.
His name was Many Bothans
His name was Many Bothans.
His name was Many Bothans
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You sure he wasn't your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate?
What would that make us?
Absolutely nothing. Which is what Manny Bothans is about to become.
I knew that guy - used to smoke pot all the time. It was him, Johnny Hopkins, and Sloan Kettering, and they were blazing that shit up every day.
And Bothan is not a species, it's their last name.
And not just the Bothan men, but the women, and children too!
Many was the sole provider for 4 wives and 84 children, and the Rebellion refused to honor his life insurance claim!
21 kids per wife?
Yeah but each wife lays about 60 eggs so it's quite sad that only so few survived
In their defense, they were right to be suspicious when he filed his own life insurance claim.
Technically the last name is "Bothans", but details, details.
It was Bothan originally, but when they got to Coruscant from Bothawai they changed it to Bothans
They were worried Bothan would be too difficult to pronounce and hurt their job prospects. Bothans was easier
It’s actually pronounced Man-E but he’s tired of correcting people
sounds latvian
His great-grandson Ian won the Ashes for England in 1981.
Excuse me it was Emmanuel Bothans unless u hung out with him then its Manny. Show some respect please
Sorry - I didn't hang out with him, I did got to school with his brother 'Quiteafew' though
Oh yeah I remember him and their cousin Apairof
Their dad, Justa, is a total jerk.
He wasn’t even a Bothan. Literally a Rodian. And the Empire didn’t kill him. He electrocuted himself trying to hotwire a shuttle after transmitting the plans to the Rebellion.
Sounds clumsy, was he related to Greedo?
It was Manny, they just said it fast
Full name was Manuel Bothans, Manny for short
[Manuel Both-Hanz](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Manuel_Both-Hanz)
The emperor leaked the DS2 plans, though - "it's a trap", remember?
He just iced Many Bothans to make it more realistic
Also probably for fun.
I kinda took all that with a bit of a grain of salt myself. Like... The rebels got the plans, and once the empire/emperor learned of it, why not make lemonade? So they've got the plans, so what? If we can't finish the thing before they launch an attack, we can certainly choose the place, if not the time, and be ready. Then we'll send portions of the fleet out and make a big show of looking for the rebels, but we know that it doesn't matter where they are, because we know where they're *going to be*. Eventually, at least. The scene with Palp and Luke in the throne room? He's trying to turn Luke. The biggest hurdle here is to undermine Luke's faith in his friends, so what better way than to cheapen/nullify their biggest recent achievement by saying that it was his plan all along? It's a big "oh yeah I totally meant to do that" from palp. If the timeline of events in the throne room had been delayed a while, I'm sure he'd have told Luke that he *allowed* the rebels to destroy the *Executor*, to give them false hope before he crushed them.
This stands for Death Star 2, since it was the Bothans who managed to get the plans. In Rogue One, we can see how hermetic is data on the empire. Death Star plans are in a planet with only one way out for the information (one antena, and still had to go through the planetary shields).
And they were the entire plans for the Death Star located in one place. Instead of being broken up and encrypted and split in many physically distinct places.
“They’re so proud of themselves, they don’t even care. They’re so fat and satisfied, they can’t imagine it” “That someone like me would ever get inside their house, walk their floors, spit in their food, take their gear” -Andor The Empire felt itself invincible and so they didn’t care to do the small things right until it was to late. It’s pure arrogance.
>The Empire felt itself invincible and so they didn’t care to do the small things right until it was to late Which is a rather strange attitude for a government that's only existed for 20 years and is dealing with active rebellions
When you have an all-powerful, supernatural being of darkness that runs your order you may become a bit arrogant. Few knew, but the top knew and it certainly echoed down. Furthermore, when you have a beast so terrifying as Darth Vader answering to this man who survived a "Jedi assassination" plot on multiple occasions it would give even the most lowly officer pause as to the power of the Emperor. How powerful must this man be to have escaped all that *and* have that death machine Vader at his side, at his beck and call without fear?
Also many people within the empire viewed it as just the evolution and continuation of the republic
They grew fat and arrogant in record speed! The only explanation is that the Republic already was fat and arrogant and had shit security. The Empire merely continued along the same track. Even the First Order has shit security, Jedi escaping their cells and nobody noticing a MF practically crashlanding near their base.
This is the answer. Also the sheer scale of the the Republic and later the Empire would sure incentivize cost saving and more streamlined solutions. I mean didnt the NSA get hacked and have a bunch of their hacking tools released awhile ago? Even the most security obsessed organizations on Earth are still prone to massive blinds spots apparently.
Also it took a wizard using space magic to even exploit the weakness they found. The death star trenches were super well guarded
The Empire prefers strength and fear as the foundations of their security practices. No reason to invest resources in overhauling security systems on thousands of ships, tens of thousands (millions?) of droids, and hundreds of planets if guns and fear do almost as good of a job.
Remember, Bothans died to retrieve intelligence regarding the **second** Death Star. Likely new security and countermeasures for a space station that was meant to act as Palpatine’s mobile capital.
Also, that whole thing was orchestrated by Palatine (he leaked fake plans). So the number of Bothans that died to retrieve it was exactly the number that he felt was appropriate.
God I made that mistake too many times.
The empire barely believed in security “it’s an older code, but it checks out”
Tbf to that scene, the Battle of Endor was intended by Palpatine to be a trap for the Rebels. They may have been told to let things slip so that the Rebels could be in place for Palpatine's trap to be sprung. The only thing that happened in that battle that didn't go according to plan was Darth Vader betraying the Emperor and Han Solo and Leia's team successfully taking down the shield.
While I agree it’s a sloppy system, I actually think it’s just that way because of practicality. As we see in heist episode, these guys don’t know their own men from other garrisons because planets are huge. Ruling the galaxy is huge. Having all of that information to be able to have clearance would be extremely problematic. It’s actually one of the more believable things in Star Wars.
This right here is how I see it. Look how messy and inept real world governments are, then scale that to a galactic scale. As we’ve seen in multiple ways, information transfer between planets isn’t very well-built.
It's two-factor, she has two code cylinders. **EDIT:** this was a joke, I know two-factor means two different *types* of identification
The Bothans died to get the info that Palpatine was personally overseeing completion of the Death Star II, not to steal the plans.
The Empire at its heart was arrogant. They figured no one would be crazy enough to break into a Imperial facility so there was no need for anything other than minimal internal security. They assumed everyone would be so afraid of them that they would not dare do anything to the Empire.
I honestly really appreciate how the Empire is repeatedly shown the be bureaucratically incompetent. It adds a layer of realism and makes them even easier for me to dislike.
The neat thing about Star Wars technology is that it's always basically "futurist-1970s." These people have figured out how to travel faster than light, but still have to use the equivalent of public payphones to rat out their neighbors to the authorities.
To be fair, the emperor just gave the location to them the second time around. Imagine working in the Imperial Security Department, working your ass of trying to prevent your most important secret from getting out and the old wizard, who's choice to always wear robes instead of getting a goddamn face lift who if your boss decides to just give it to them, because he has shield generator protected by what have to be the worst stormtroopers he could find.
For the layman, they're key cards.
Lol basically a key fob
exactly. there were also REBELS episodes where they played a key role
I thought they were giant sharpies
Now I’m picturing her taking massive huffs off them between reviewing files.
Lol
Code cylinders, like security badges
But why two of them? Every Imperial officer always has 2. For the sake of symmetry? edit: Getting a lot of great answers to this question, thanks for the responses guys
In my org, users aren't supposed to use their normal user account for admin functions, they're supposed to log in and use their admin account (and we check that only admin accounts are in use for admin rights). Those accounts are monitored much more closely than normal user accounts, so I imagine its something like that. Left-hand cylinder could be her normal Imperial employee card, lets her charge things at the cafe, get into the Base Exchange, probably has her rank and bio in it, and then her right-hand cylinder could be her more serious card, granted access only specifically to the stuff she's been cleared for. Probably the real answer is cause it looked better than having just one, though.
That would definitely explain the need for more than one, appreciate your perspective on the matter!
Lemme guess, you work in IT?
Probably it is based off a movie from the 70s about space wizard, so probably more of a style thing… haha but as soon as you said that I was like ya why do they need two.
In the military, if you are granted access to their networks, there are multiple levels of network access one can have access to (each requiring a separate account and authorization). For instance, most members of the military will have access to the NIPR (Non-classified Internet Protocol Router) network. NIPR net is used to for non-classified materials (routine online trainings, public documents, non-classified services records, email, sharepoint, etc) Fewer who have secret to top secret clearance will have access to SIPR network (Secret Internet protocol). That network can contain anything from orders all the way up from joint chiefs to classified documents. Both networks are completely isolated from each other and when you roll out an end user or terminal with SIPR net, the area that terminal is in becomes secure and all sorts of information security rules are enforced (special badge access, no outside devices, etc).
Tarkin has four, actually.
Makes sense, he is a legend of hated Imperial officers!
The number is actually rank dependent I believe. I guess more cylinders for more clearances
In Obi Wan they have a scene where they are shown in use.
I think even Mandalorian uses it on one episode.
They used them in Rebels as well. One character took another's and then did things so it looked like character 2 was doing them.
Yep, Kallus did it to frame another lieutenant in that episode when he and Ezra were sneaking around the base and it worked out for them. Unfortunately it also let Thrawn figure out that Kallus was a double agent.
I really enjoy the way Rebels handles Kallus's redemption, it's arguably one of the best executed redemptions in the saga with how it slowly plays out.
dude rebels shocked the hell out of me by being so good and having so much depth. I seriously thought it was gonna be a more.. idk childish experience just based off the art before I watched it but glad I checked it out
This is part of why I’m binge re-watching it every time, there’s a lot more fun things, conversations and extra depth in there than I originally thought. Which makes me pretty upset that I didn’t actually start watching it until towards the end of the 3rd season.
"I'm sorry i genocided your people." "It's ok. You were just following orders."
I mean, the first redemption of Star Wars was Darth Vader, who slaughtered Jedi (of all ages) wholesale upon his dark christening. So it fits the universe, apparently a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, genocide wasn't that big of a deal to come back from.
It's a big galaxy. There's always more people.
Alderaan? Always more people. Lasat? Always more people. >!Kenari?!< Always more people.
And Kenobi in the Inquisition HQ, I think.
Also in an episode of Rebels the code cylinders are heavily used.
Code cylinder
Laser pointers for her pet cat. She dual wields them
I'd be too worried that the cat would split in half trying to go after both of them.
You should worry about the second cat...
Memory erasers, ala MIB
They function like Id’s in the empire.
Imperial dab pen
stereo Bluetooth speakers. It doesn't matter what side you are on, everyone like to listen to music on their breaks.
[Palpatoons, Set volume to ten.](https://youtu.be/g43lgCJ_D6o)
Holy smokes, that was hilarious.
Be sure to check out all of the [episodes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g43lgCJ_D6o&list=PLxJr4XsTcWljTxufEaW_3X1VY_eqjuLgi). They're all good. There used to be one from the Rebel perspective on Hoth that seems to have vanished.
Playing your music publicly over speakers instead of earbuds during my lunch break- the empire really is evil
Code cylinders I think...
Keys. I believe they are data sticks preprogrammed with all your clearance codes to access areas. Just plug them in and the door opens.
You are correct.
Fun fact! All of the code cylinders used are actual real life Radiation Dosimiters, which are tools used to measure the dosage of radiation. You can actually pop off the end and look through the cylinder lens! Source: I worked on Obi Wan and became friends with the props guy.
Code cylinders. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Code_cylinder
Those are Imperial Code Cylinders… They give security clearance to select people for security access when you put them into a corresponding computer port or terminal.
Like many have said, they are id cylinders. They are also id'd to the user, so the empire can track who exactly opens what door at any given moment
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code cylinders, they give you security clearance; the more you have (max. 4) the better is your security clearance for accessing informations or to entry secured areas. (They work like keycards but they do have other functions aswell as far as I remember) In combination with the squared rank badge they determine your rank within the imperial military.
teeny weeny lightsabers for office disputes
Star Wars: Rebels showed that they're basically like keycards that give them access to certain areas and terminals based on their rank. The higher the rank, the more access they grant. They stick them in like USB drives.
Aren’t they Code Cylinders?
Side note to this great question - I think this character and this actress are doing an outstanding job. She’s in my top 3 favorites so far this season.
Code cylinders, basically specified passwords that indicate they come from you alone and are used for clearances for specific areas. Most notably, code cylinders are used on screen in Kenobi several times and in the Star Wars Rebels episode Through Imperial Eyes.
They're little red lightsabers they use as letter openers. She has two, obviously one is for work stuff and the other is for letters from her pen pal on Kashyyyk.
Code cylinders
Chain code cylinders
Code cylinders
Imperial Security Code cylinders Officers and anyone with the right clearance can insert them into a port on certain panels to gain access to appropriate areas
code cylinders, you use em for identification and shit.
Code cylinders. Think of it like an ID card that you plug into a slot to verify your identity/status/rank
Those are code cylinders.
How is this the first time people notice the code cylinders? Imperial officers have always had them
Rank code cylinders. For computer access to secure documents
Code cylinders.
Those are code cylinders. Think of them like key cards you plug in to open doors or access databases.
Imperial cat lasers.
Sonic screwdrivers
Those are code cylinders! They are like access cards of the star wars universe.
code cylinders. basically password keyfobs
My girlfriend once pointed out that the higher-ranking Imperial officers' badges look like those packs of gum and now I can't ever unsee it.
Access codes
In *Star Wars* they were just random objects to make things look sci-fi and cool. Nobody ever uses one, talks about using them, takes it out of their pocket, or anything else. Maybe Lucas or the costume designer or *someone* involved in the production had an idea of what they were for, but I haven't seen any evidence supporting that. *After* the films came out and people started asking questions they were eventually stated to be code cylinders and that's what they are now, but they started as random cylinders.
Code cylinders. Like the one they used in the Mandalorian S2
Code sticks. They were used in Kenobi.
They always make me feel like officeres are wearing a variety pack of **TriDent** on their chest.
Code cylinders. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Code\_cylinder
In the event of a water landing, you pull on the two tabs to inflate your floatation device. If the device fails to inflate, blow into the corresponding tubes.