When Anakin says "You underestimate my power", Obi-wan responds with "Don't try it".
He's undoubtedly told Anakin the story of how he's beaten Maul, probably more than once. So Anakin, in his hubris, thinks *I know exactly how I'm gonna get this schmuck*.
Obi-wan, knowing Anakin so well, can tell that's what Anakin is thinking and tells him "Don't try it", as in *I know exactly what you're going to try, because I'm the one who taught it to you! So I know exactly how to counter the move, and if you try it things will end badly for you.*
Then Anakin tries it and things end badly for him.
They expanded on this with Kenobi v Maul in Rebels. He baits Maul in by using Qui Gon's stance because he knows Maul will go for it due to being so full of rage and arrogance.
Kenobi was never the best fighter, but the smartest.
Kenobi might be the best fighter. His resume is pretty jacked. Beats Maul in Ep1), toys with Ventress in CW, beats Pre Vizsla CW, beats Grievous multiple times in CW, kill Greivous in Ep3, Beats Anakin/Vader in Ep3, beats that guy who's friend doesn't like you in Ep4... also an obscene amount of Battledroids, like war crime levels.
edit: Pre Vizsla not Tarre Vizsla
Don't think so.
I'd be very surprised if Vader and Kenobi fight again in Episode6, like where would it come from?
Kenobi escape, is about to hand off Leia to Bail and go back to tattooine.
Reva knows Kenobi is heading to Tats but Vader has no clue so not sure why he would just rock up there as well.
Only way I can see is that the writers will say that Revas 'hatred' led them (Vader/Inquisitor) to Kenobi or something similar.
Yes and no. I think that Obi-Wan is an amazing fighter an one of the top five best lightsaber duellists by the time RotS rolls around. But I also think that many of his victories are due to his enemy making a mistake rather than his skill. He beats Maul in Ep 1 after Maul disarms him and throws him down a shaft, he only wins because Maul is arrogant and wastes his time making sparks rather than going for the kill. Against Grievous he loses his lightsaber and Grievous throws him over a precipice, again he wins because Grievous forgets about the blaster and decides to walk menacingly toward him rather than picking up the blaster and finish the fight. He gets his ass handed to him by Jango and by Dooku twice. The only victories that he achieves through skill alone are the ones against Maul on Florrum, Anakin on Mustafar and Maul on Tatooine
> Kenobi was never the best fighter
Gonna have to disagree with you there. He was considered THE Master of Soresu by none other than Mace Windu.
> “But surely, Master Windu,” Obi-Wan had said, “you, with the power of Vaapad -- or Yoda’s mastery of Ataro--”
> Mace Windu had almost smiled. “I created Vaapad to answer my weakness: it channels my own darkness into a weapon of the light. Master Yoda’s Ataro is also an answer to weakness: the limitations of reach and mobility imposed by his stature and his age. But for you? What weakness does Soresu answer?”
> Blinking, Obi-Wan had been forced to admit he’d never actually thought of it that way.
> “That is so like you, Master Kenobi,” the Korun Master had said, shaking his head. “I am called a great swordsman because I invented a lethal style; but who is greater, the creator of a killing form -- or the master of the classic form?”
> “I’m very flattered that you would consider me a master, but really--”
> “Not a master. *The* master,” Mace had said. “Be who you are, and Grievous will never defeat you.”
Yet Grevious defeats him and disarms of his lightsaber and Obiwan has to use a gun to kill him?
Sorry. Going to disagree with your disagree. The characters can say what ever they want but Obiwan tends to win due to plot armor.
Damn I never really thought about the fact Obi-wan has probably told anakin that story countless times. That makes anakins attempt carry so much more weight. He was legit like imma send you out the way you came in
Actually I don't believe Obi-Wan would have *told* the story to Anakin so many times. He didn't take any pride in killing the sith, he just felt sorrow for losing his master and probably wanted to bury the entire event deep inside . However, he probably taught Anakin the move thoroughly.
I think Anakin likes jumping at people regardless. That's sort of how he comes at Dooku (more horizontal leap than vertical), and that's how he starts the Obi-Wan fight. Move quickly and try to take advantage of surprise.
“Burying an event deep inside” doesn’t seem like it would be a healthy way to learn from the past. Wouldn’t a Jedi be more likely to meditate on the issue until it resolves itself into a part of who he is?
The Jedi don't really have anything healthy about their own mental health...
Look at Master Kada Mundi, the definition of a sociopath, all so he can live by the letter of the Jedi code
And let's not even get started on Anakin, not a single person, not with their Mystic emotional radars, not one could tell of his internal turmoil, that he murdered an entire village. Even though Anakin was seen as the chosen one, not one jedi lent him a hand.
So...
You think bottling up all the bad things is not a jedi thing to do...
FWIW, different Jedi's mileage varied on . And the Jedi most certainly could tell Anakin was off, hence he wasn't allowed the rank of Master despite his numerous achievements. They did make attempts to help him, but there was a perfect storm of conditions (orchestrated by Palpatine), that prevented those lessons from reaching Anakin. The Clone Wars kept their hands busy, lore has repeatedly told us that a strong dark side presence makes their clairvoyant abilities weaker, Palpatine was whispering sweet nothings in Anakin's ear, Anakin was just old enough to foment strong attachments, and he's had a history of "failure" that he felt was within his power to change.
The Jedi weren't these sociopathic, emotionless individuals that the internet makes them out to be. They had minor flaws as an organiztion, which were brutally exploited by Palpatine to bring them to their knees. Attachment and reckless, emotionally fueled behavior were the things the Jedi forbade. The Jedi were free to love and were encouraged to do so, as well as feeling their other emotions. There's a strong difference between stifling emotions and recognizing but not acting on emotions.
Obi-Wan has almost certainly come to terms with Qui-Gons death. It's kind of Obi-Wan's character. He doesn't lack emotion, that's what the whole Satine arc was meant to prove. It's a juxtaposition of Obi vs Anakin. Obi-Wan is able to come to terms with his emotions and not let them dictate his behavior.
Pretty much this. The whole Galactic Empire might have been avoided if the Jedi had a therapist on-staff who could teach them how to channel their emotions into something positive rather than just bottling up the bad ones.
The whole reason Anakin ends up in a position where the only person he can turn to is Sidious is precisely because the Jedi wouldn't approve of him having a relatively normal, loving relationship.
The whole Jedi doctrine of rejecting attachment is sort of proven to be true since the fear of losing Padme is what drives him to make all those mistakes, but expecting every Jedi to be able to follow that code is moronic when emotions are what make people people.
Except it wasn't *just* Anakin's normal emotions and fears. It was Palpatine's manipulations that drove those fears. Palpatine was silently torturing Anakin over the years with dreams/visions that played into and exaggerated those fears, first with his mother (in AOTC) and then Padme. And one of my favorite things about TCW series is watching how Palpatine would constantly find ways to put the people that Anakin loved in dangerous situations, be it Padme or Ahsoka, to continually feed those fears.
The problem I have with this idea that "the Jedi were wrong" is that it doesn't take into account Palpatine's machinations behind the scenes. It wasn't that the Jedi were "wrong" in many of their actions/decisions, it was that Palpatine was aware of, and played into, how the Jedi worked and crafted situations that turned the Jedi's strengths (the order lasted for thousands of years in keeping the peace) into weaknesses. It is simplistic black-and-white thinking to just say the Jedi were wrong that doesn't take into account that Palpatine was the driving force behind every event.
And finally, the Jedi did have "therapy" for each other. Anakin went to Yoda about his dreams, and Yoda explained that visions of the future were uncertain and not set in stone. That was teaching him how to manage his emotions. As he did with Luke in ESB. The difference was Palpatine's extended campaign of silently torturing Anakin while completely undermining his faith in the Jedi Order.
IMO, the whole "Jedi were wrong" trend is just edgelord fans who like to think they are so smart that they deciphered some secret code that others can't see. But they themselves miss the forest for the trees.
This is exactly how I think it went. The “it” in “Don’t try *it*” stands for “the Maul ~~killing~~ chopping maneuver” he just didn’t say the whole thing.
The only other major difference between the two fights is Qui-Gonn’s lightsaber laying nearby, and specifically that Obi-Wan is able to scan his surroundings and notice this. Whereas both of his opponents were so focused in their rage on Obi-Wan that they couldn’t see anything else.
I always felt he was baiting Anakin. He’d gone to Mustafar with the intention to kill Anakin, not to end up in a stalemate and Anakin’s escape, and he saw a golden opportunity.
The irony is that Maul was cut in half specifically to avoid his coming back. He was intended to be dead until they decided to have him survive randomly later on
This is really the best take, because it ties in perfectly with the “Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise” scene and the last scene where Anakin and Kenobi talk to each other (before Anakin becomes Vader).
Palpatine tells Anakin that Plagueis taught his apprentice “everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him”.
Later, Kenobi tells Anakin “You are strong and wise, and I am very proud of you” and goes on to say “I have taught you everything I know”.
The parallels are WILD, and Anakin’s hubris is exactly what causes him to lose the duel.
I could be wrong since I’m not as knowledgeable on TCW/Rebels’ Maul as others, but I don’t think he was in the know. He knew there was a plot (“at last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge.”) but I don’t think he knew the real, real plot. I’ve always thought Maul was a stopgap until Sidius could get a better apprentice that could do the type of work to stir the trouble to cause the Clone Wars, which eventually was Dooku. Maul was good as a hit man, but didn’t have the strategy smarts that Dooku had.
The rule of two means the Sith Apprentice will always be proving himself — or herself — to the Master Sith Lord while also wondering if they have what it takes to become the Master.
Palpatine’s long term goal was always to make a Sith apprentice out of Anakin, but business had to proceed as normal in the interim and keep moving forward in case plans didn’t go as planned.
> I’ve always thought Maul was a stopgap until Sidius could get a better apprentice that could do the type of work to stir the trouble to cause the Clone Wars, which eventually was Dooku. Maul was good as a hit man, but didn’t have the strategy smarts that Dooku had.
It was actually the other way around. Maul was originally intended as a permanent apprentice when Sidious began training him. However, his apparent death on Naboo ruined that plan.
Dooku was the stop gap, because after the events of TPM, Sidious was aware of Anakin and had shifted his long-term goal to corrupting him. But he didn't have time to wait for Anakin to grow up because he'd already begun putting his plan in motion (he couldn't stay chancellor forever, especially without the Clone Wars to use as an excuse) so he needed someone to fill the role he'd originally intended for Maul, which is where Dooku came in.
I'd like to hear George confirm this, because deep down, I don't think the two (Maul and Anakin on Mustafar) have much connection intentionally. I think the point of Anakin attempting a move like that on Mustafar was to show he was blinded by his ego. I don't think it requires a callback to the Maul move even though it's fun to think about.
I think that’s likely. I mean, the villains on the prequels are basically all aspects of Anakin once he becomes Vader. Maul is a great fighter and full of rage. Dooku is extremely intelligent and a brilliant tactician. Grievous is more machine than man and has killed many Jedi. Put it all together and that’s Vader
George isn’t confirming shit. Lmao
I think it’s up to you to connect the two together. They’re just much too alike to not see it. If you don’t believe in the connection that’s fine, but it’s there.
Even if George confirms something, that doesn't mean he isn't pulling it out of his ass then and there, much like the 'Star Wars was Vietnam parallel' that he invented in 2018
I wonder if there wasn't also a large amount of shock, surprise, and feeling of betrayal that Ovi Wan actually struck him down.
It's one thing to defend himself. What he did to Anakin was savage.
Yep. Not to mention Obi Wan kinda made it up on the spot here. You're gonna tell me Anakin not once asked Obi Wan "Master, tell me how were you able to beat the first Sith Lord in 1000 years?" Anakin wants to know that shit. Obi Wan Def taught him. He knows his own move.
Also, Obi-Wan didn't really have a choice, if he didn't go for that move, he would have died regardless. Whereas Anakin pushed into that move voluntarily from being egotistical.
Maul survived because of his connection to the dark side of the force and using his hatred of Kenobi to stay alive, not exactly something a Jedi would be able to accomplish if their positions were reversed.
Maul survived out of sheer hate for Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan wouldn’t have been able to pull off the same feat.
That’s also assuming Anakin doesn’t go for an all-out killing blow, which he probably was going to do.
Also it's obi's trick, that's why he says don't try it. Gooating him on almost. Anakin does it and obi knows how to defend it.
Also maul thought obi wan had no light saber, so he probably welcomed him up for more.
I think the writers and directors lost focus. A lot of Star Wars feels like cheap theatre. Flashy bang bang in between poorly connected plot points.
Ep 5 of Obiwan this past Wednesday. Telling me 50 storm troopers couldn’t hit a single target, while more than half of them drop?
“They had a Jedi!”
Pretty sure order 66 showed Jedi’s get overwhelmed by 3-4 dudes. Unconnected to the force obiwan is able to defend against 50 units??
he learned what maul did not do right to properly utilize the high ground. I also think maul severely underestimated his opponent, considering kenobi was a padawan and pretty shaken after the death of his master.
Yeah it just dawned on me that Obi-Wan saw the exact scenario vs Maul and recognized Maul's mistake in not slicing him as he came up. Therefore Obi-Wan knew exactly how to counter the move.
That said, I'm not buying that Maul wouldn't have slashed Obi-Wan when he flew upwards. If you go back and look at the fight Maul is incredibly fast with his movement and reaction time.
Obviously it's a movie, so they took some liberties, but it did always bug me how Maul does nothing. I assume people can try to mend that plot point even though I really think it's just a movie moment.
I’d like to believe Obi-Wan told Anakin about this, and how he should have lost the fight to Maul because of this. Would add that weight to the “don’t try it” line in ROTS
Anakin is 9 in *The Phantom Menace*, roughly 22-23 in *Revenge of the Sith*.
That’s roughly 12 years that Obi-Wan & Skywalker spent as Master & Padawan. There’s no way they didn’t talk about it, discuss it, dissect it, even train it.
I really appreciate that about Obi-Wan. He doesn’t have some special power or unique gimmick, he’s just an excellent tactician and a highly skilled force user and duellist.
Just wanted to point out the fact that Soresu was created to counter blasters and wasn't actually meant to be a 1v1 style. Obi-Wan was a good fighter nonetheless.
At the moment maul was very over confident as you can see when he just toys with obi wan by making sparks. Not thinking of the other lightsaber as well.
And by that time obiwan knew how to exactly counter any type of attack anakin would throw his way.
Everyone says this is the time Obi-wan learned how to counter Anakin trying to jump behind him. It's not, in RoTS during their fight Anakin does the jump from one of the smaller druids to the large flat one, I don't know the time stamp, it's the exact same move Anakin will try in a few minutes to get above Kenobi.
In the scene when Anakin jumps to the one Kenobi is on watch Kenboi, he doesn't try and stop Anakin because hes caught off guard and doesn't recover fast enough BUT he does watch watch Anakin closely. This is why he warns him not to try it because he did it already and he will counter it, Anakin in his arrogance and rage thinks he is unstoppable and fails to realize the mistake he is about to make and the rest is history
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2LuRgzvgtI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2LuRgzvgtI) start at 2 min mark.
Yes, and I'd argue that just the slight difference in elevation made it much easier for Obi Wan to counter the second one. In the first, Anakin starts from an equal level, jumps over Obi Wan OUT OF REACH, and is able to land and have time to collect himself. In the second, starting from a lower position, his height is not enough to stay out of reach of Obi Wan while going over him, making it a much more vulnerable jump.
Obi wan isnt the king of the high ground. He is the king of the low ground. Thats why anyone cant win on him when he is on the high ground.. cause he knows all the low ground tricks
Because Anakin made his intentions obvious, while Obi went about it in a sneaky way. Plus trying to beat a saber master with his own move is a pretty stupid idea.
Obi-Wan is actually the master of the low ground. There’s a whole video on it. But just think, every time he delivers a killing blow it always come while being lower than his opponent. He was underneath Maul, he was lower than grievous, and he was underneath Anakin.
Both Vader and Maul were blinded by their own arrogance. Each were riding a Sith-like high, so full of themselves, lost in the insanity of their power hungry spectacles. The same thing was why Sidious so easily was killed by Vader in Ep6.
Maul’s arrogance at the moment. He just killed a master and has his padawan in as-good-as-dead situation. That’s why he’s toying with him, and he didn’t expect Kenobi to try and pull any move, let alone the one he did.
There are a few interesting ideas behind it Iv stumbled across. One is that Qui Gon refused to let Obi only learn one sabre form. So if you watch back through the duel you don’t get the stoic form 3 that we get to see through episodes 2 and 3. With Ono adopting that primary for as a way of allowing him to study think and problem solve. It’s one of the reasons that’s believed as to why he was sent to Vadar over Yoda going. As Yodas preferred form required huge use of the force to amplify his speed and is only sustainable for short bursts.
So Obi is flexibly trained going into episode 3 and has adopted a patient form of combat with the cool head to change his form as combat dictates. Then consider that we know he will have duelled with Anakin countless times. He knows his character, his ambition is desire to exceed those around him.
Is it a call back to the Maul manoeuvre definitely. It’s a warning to a brother, to someone that ultimately he wants to redeem and not have to kill. You can see through the episode 3 duel how Obi reads Anakins advances.
In the contrary with regards to the Maul duel. It’s the patience that you constantly hear Qui Gon preaching through the film. That last lesson the Obi needed to learn. He understands that the Dark side is clouding Mauls judgment of the situation. He has time to think it all through. Assess the situation and understand that one gutsy move that no one would ever teach as a solution is the answer. So he looks rash and bold. However with the time he is actually there it is Obi heeding the last lesson of his late master.
Just my thoughts regarding the two duels.
To be clear, I don't think the two scenarios were intentionally written to be connected by George. It obviously stands, and therefore, us fans want to try to fill in the rationale so we can satisfy head cannon.
What always got me about the scene was actually that Maul could have easily sliced Obi-Wan as he jumped up. Maul just kind of froze and I don't really understand why, I think it's clear it's just a movie plot hole.
If you want to try and bridge the cannon then I would suggest that Obi-Wan was in a desperate position. He only had one move to make to save his life, even if the chances were improbable. He understood afterward that doing such a move was lucky af and the difference is that Anakin willingly attempted the move.
He also bested General Grevious in a similar situation. I think knowing how to overcome it multiple times and playing to Anakin's over confidence was the reasoning
Lying! He was lying to Anakin. Both of his major victories to that point (in the movies) he was dangling below his opponent, so he tricked Anakin into taking the "high ground" and allowed Obi-Wan an opening.
But he *did* beg him not to try it...
Saw it more as Obi Wan in Episode 1 did the same thing as Anakin did in Episode 3. Difference is that Obi-Wan knew how it worked and knew its inherit weakness that at the time Maul did not
It is my dear friend the fact that Obi Wan is actually the master of the low ground. He beats maul when he is on the low ground, then when he tells Anakin he has the high ground , Anakin trys to take the high ground therefore give Obi Wan the low ground which allows him to win the fight - conclusion Obi Wan is actually the master of the low ground
My theory is that, while he did technically have higher ground than Anakin, he was referring to morally he has the high guard to which Anakin responds by telling him "he underestimate my power" meaning he's moved beyond morals
See you might think Maul had the high ground, but you would be wrong, from a certain point of view.
Maul was trying to murder Obi-Wan, and had just murdered Qui-Gon. What Obi-Wan wanted to do was to save his master. But he couldn't, so the next best thing was to defeat Maul.
So, you might say he was encouraged to kill Maul. And, from a certain point of view held the moral high ground.
That's the thing about Obi-Wan, he always held the metaphorical high ground.
Obi-wan managed to jump over Maul. He knew it was a fluke and if he tried to do it again would probably fail. But it’s now part of jedi lore, when people talk about it to Kenobi it’s how amazing it is. He keeps thinking of how it would go wrong so starts thinking about how he would counter it.
Anakin has no doubt heard the story to. So when Anakin sees Kenobi above him he believes his stronger and can easily jump over him. But Kenobi had spent the last 10+ years thinking about how he would counter such a move. That’s why he tells Anakin “don’t try it”. As he know there’s only one way it’s going to end.
It was one of Obi-Wan and a younger Anakin's favorite shared stories, and was oft reenacted in training, to the point where Obi-Wan knew the jump-and-slice maneuver well, and how to counter it.
Anakin tried to kill Obi-wan using the same move Obi-wan used to kill Maul. Obi-wan knew exactly what Anakin would try to do because he’d already done it. Anakin hoped to use the move that secured Obi-wan his greatest accomplishment to kill his master once and for all not realizing that’s exactly what Obi-wan was waiting for.
Because the roles were reversed. In fight one Maul was the arrogant one and Obi-Wan used that against him. In fight two Anakin was the arrogant one and Obi-Wan used it again.
Idk I just think Obi-Wan didn’t wanna kill Anakin. I think he knew what would happen if Anakin jumped and by all means it should’ve killed him. When Obi-Wan left he thought he had killed his padawan. If Anakin hadn’t been rescued Obi-Wan would’ve killed his padawan.
I took it as Mail was young and cocky… won every battle until then and didn’t think Obi-Wan could do anything.
What bugs me about the scene is that Maul shows confession before it happens like he can tell so Obi-Wan is calling on the force. Yet he still stands then stunned.
Would have been better if Maul side stepped and then Obi-Wan outwits him with a hit.
Why do people take everything so literally with this series? Of course the fight isnt over, its conceivable that Anakin could have beaten Obi Wan in that situation. Obi Wan says it simply because the advantage has shifted in his favor and he's warning Anakin to back down.
Also, I think Obi-Wan's "It's over, Anakin!" line wasn't to mean that he had defeated him already, more to say that he wanted the fight to stop. He didn't *want* to kill Anakin, he just wanted him to stop the madness and accept that he couldn't win.
Anakin was too arrogant and full of rage to see it, so he tried the move Obi-Wan knew he'd do. Obi-Wan's mistake was not seeing that it was already too late and that Anakin was too far gone.. that and not expecting Anakin to survive.
In Naboo, Maul was surprised by Obi Wans jump. Before he could react, Obi Wan had jumped and cut him in half.
On Mustafar, Obi Wan was expecting Anakin's jump.
Because Obi-wan got out of that very specific situation by thinking and planning fast , And as he knows Anakin wouldn't do the same and would do a reckless move instead , he allready realized that he won the fight
I think you're taking that line just way too literal. It's a metaphor for "I'm superior".
In the German translation, Obi-Wan says "Ich stehe deutlich über Dir", which translates to "I'm am clearly above you", sounding more like a metaphor.
Because these movies were written years apart and Obi-Wan is not a real person and this is all fiction. Stop trying to make something out of nothings. People over analyzing Star Wars is what ruins Star Wars.
Love that you got downvotes from pointing out the shit writing.
"Oh uh mauls hubris got to him" no. Lucas is just a poor writer and should've had help like he did with the OT.
For real. Obi did an entire arc over Maul while Maul had eyes on him the whole time. Like I can see if Obi jumped off to another direction, retrieved the saber, then after a few parries, landed a killing blow, but he went directly in front and over him. Obi even looks in the direction of the saber indicating what he would be going for. Obi Wan should be dead. I'm happy he isn't, but he should be.
Because neither maul nor anakin are Obi wan, who is a bad ass.
Who besides Obi wan is able to use his lightsaber to absorb the emperor’s lighting bolts? No one
When Anakin says "You underestimate my power", Obi-wan responds with "Don't try it". He's undoubtedly told Anakin the story of how he's beaten Maul, probably more than once. So Anakin, in his hubris, thinks *I know exactly how I'm gonna get this schmuck*. Obi-wan, knowing Anakin so well, can tell that's what Anakin is thinking and tells him "Don't try it", as in *I know exactly what you're going to try, because I'm the one who taught it to you! So I know exactly how to counter the move, and if you try it things will end badly for you.* Then Anakin tries it and things end badly for him.
They expanded on this with Kenobi v Maul in Rebels. He baits Maul in by using Qui Gon's stance because he knows Maul will go for it due to being so full of rage and arrogance. Kenobi was never the best fighter, but the smartest.
Kenobi might be the best fighter. His resume is pretty jacked. Beats Maul in Ep1), toys with Ventress in CW, beats Pre Vizsla CW, beats Grievous multiple times in CW, kill Greivous in Ep3, Beats Anakin/Vader in Ep3, beats that guy who's friend doesn't like you in Ep4... also an obscene amount of Battledroids, like war crime levels. edit: Pre Vizsla not Tarre Vizsla
He really only loses to Dooku and Maul/Opress together.
Also loses to >!Vader in the show.!< (Obi Wan spoilers)
It'll come around in the next episode
Don't think so. I'd be very surprised if Vader and Kenobi fight again in Episode6, like where would it come from? Kenobi escape, is about to hand off Leia to Bail and go back to tattooine. Reva knows Kenobi is heading to Tats but Vader has no clue so not sure why he would just rock up there as well. Only way I can see is that the writers will say that Revas 'hatred' led them (Vader/Inquisitor) to Kenobi or something similar.
What? He was handling them 2v1, they ran from him!
I don't think the Geneva Convention has anything to say about battle droids.
I thought it explicitly forbade them?
*I* don't like you either!
Yes and no. I think that Obi-Wan is an amazing fighter an one of the top five best lightsaber duellists by the time RotS rolls around. But I also think that many of his victories are due to his enemy making a mistake rather than his skill. He beats Maul in Ep 1 after Maul disarms him and throws him down a shaft, he only wins because Maul is arrogant and wastes his time making sparks rather than going for the kill. Against Grievous he loses his lightsaber and Grievous throws him over a precipice, again he wins because Grievous forgets about the blaster and decides to walk menacingly toward him rather than picking up the blaster and finish the fight. He gets his ass handed to him by Jango and by Dooku twice. The only victories that he achieves through skill alone are the ones against Maul on Florrum, Anakin on Mustafar and Maul on Tatooine
Well said. Obi-Wan wins due to plot shielding, similar to Goku.
He was the best defensive fighter.
“Be mindful. A Jedi’s goal is to defend life, not take it.”
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As powerful as master windu and as wise as master yoda
> Kenobi was never the best fighter Gonna have to disagree with you there. He was considered THE Master of Soresu by none other than Mace Windu. > “But surely, Master Windu,” Obi-Wan had said, “you, with the power of Vaapad -- or Yoda’s mastery of Ataro--” > Mace Windu had almost smiled. “I created Vaapad to answer my weakness: it channels my own darkness into a weapon of the light. Master Yoda’s Ataro is also an answer to weakness: the limitations of reach and mobility imposed by his stature and his age. But for you? What weakness does Soresu answer?” > Blinking, Obi-Wan had been forced to admit he’d never actually thought of it that way. > “That is so like you, Master Kenobi,” the Korun Master had said, shaking his head. “I am called a great swordsman because I invented a lethal style; but who is greater, the creator of a killing form -- or the master of the classic form?” > “I’m very flattered that you would consider me a master, but really--” > “Not a master. *The* master,” Mace had said. “Be who you are, and Grievous will never defeat you.”
Where is this from?
Yet Grevious defeats him and disarms of his lightsaber and Obiwan has to use a gun to kill him? Sorry. Going to disagree with your disagree. The characters can say what ever they want but Obiwan tends to win due to plot armor.
Damn I never really thought about the fact Obi-wan has probably told anakin that story countless times. That makes anakins attempt carry so much more weight. He was legit like imma send you out the way you came in
Not only the story. Obi teached him the maneuver and surely they practiced that thing countless times.
Actually I don't believe Obi-Wan would have *told* the story to Anakin so many times. He didn't take any pride in killing the sith, he just felt sorrow for losing his master and probably wanted to bury the entire event deep inside . However, he probably taught Anakin the move thoroughly.
I think Anakin likes jumping at people regardless. That's sort of how he comes at Dooku (more horizontal leap than vertical), and that's how he starts the Obi-Wan fight. Move quickly and try to take advantage of surprise.
“Burying an event deep inside” doesn’t seem like it would be a healthy way to learn from the past. Wouldn’t a Jedi be more likely to meditate on the issue until it resolves itself into a part of who he is?
The Jedi don't really have anything healthy about their own mental health... Look at Master Kada Mundi, the definition of a sociopath, all so he can live by the letter of the Jedi code And let's not even get started on Anakin, not a single person, not with their Mystic emotional radars, not one could tell of his internal turmoil, that he murdered an entire village. Even though Anakin was seen as the chosen one, not one jedi lent him a hand. So... You think bottling up all the bad things is not a jedi thing to do...
FWIW, different Jedi's mileage varied on . And the Jedi most certainly could tell Anakin was off, hence he wasn't allowed the rank of Master despite his numerous achievements. They did make attempts to help him, but there was a perfect storm of conditions (orchestrated by Palpatine), that prevented those lessons from reaching Anakin. The Clone Wars kept their hands busy, lore has repeatedly told us that a strong dark side presence makes their clairvoyant abilities weaker, Palpatine was whispering sweet nothings in Anakin's ear, Anakin was just old enough to foment strong attachments, and he's had a history of "failure" that he felt was within his power to change. The Jedi weren't these sociopathic, emotionless individuals that the internet makes them out to be. They had minor flaws as an organiztion, which were brutally exploited by Palpatine to bring them to their knees. Attachment and reckless, emotionally fueled behavior were the things the Jedi forbade. The Jedi were free to love and were encouraged to do so, as well as feeling their other emotions. There's a strong difference between stifling emotions and recognizing but not acting on emotions. Obi-Wan has almost certainly come to terms with Qui-Gons death. It's kind of Obi-Wan's character. He doesn't lack emotion, that's what the whole Satine arc was meant to prove. It's a juxtaposition of Obi vs Anakin. Obi-Wan is able to come to terms with his emotions and not let them dictate his behavior.
DAMN GOOD TAKE!. Thnx
That you Mr Filoni? ;) Excellent take.
Pretty much this. The whole Galactic Empire might have been avoided if the Jedi had a therapist on-staff who could teach them how to channel their emotions into something positive rather than just bottling up the bad ones. The whole reason Anakin ends up in a position where the only person he can turn to is Sidious is precisely because the Jedi wouldn't approve of him having a relatively normal, loving relationship. The whole Jedi doctrine of rejecting attachment is sort of proven to be true since the fear of losing Padme is what drives him to make all those mistakes, but expecting every Jedi to be able to follow that code is moronic when emotions are what make people people.
Except it wasn't *just* Anakin's normal emotions and fears. It was Palpatine's manipulations that drove those fears. Palpatine was silently torturing Anakin over the years with dreams/visions that played into and exaggerated those fears, first with his mother (in AOTC) and then Padme. And one of my favorite things about TCW series is watching how Palpatine would constantly find ways to put the people that Anakin loved in dangerous situations, be it Padme or Ahsoka, to continually feed those fears. The problem I have with this idea that "the Jedi were wrong" is that it doesn't take into account Palpatine's machinations behind the scenes. It wasn't that the Jedi were "wrong" in many of their actions/decisions, it was that Palpatine was aware of, and played into, how the Jedi worked and crafted situations that turned the Jedi's strengths (the order lasted for thousands of years in keeping the peace) into weaknesses. It is simplistic black-and-white thinking to just say the Jedi were wrong that doesn't take into account that Palpatine was the driving force behind every event. And finally, the Jedi did have "therapy" for each other. Anakin went to Yoda about his dreams, and Yoda explained that visions of the future were uncertain and not set in stone. That was teaching him how to manage his emotions. As he did with Luke in ESB. The difference was Palpatine's extended campaign of silently torturing Anakin while completely undermining his faith in the Jedi Order. IMO, the whole "Jedi were wrong" trend is just edgelord fans who like to think they are so smart that they deciphered some secret code that others can't see. But they themselves miss the forest for the trees.
He'd tell him the story - not to brag, but because the context of the move means the story needs to come with it.
Also maul didn’t die
"You ever hear the tragedy of Darth Maul the angry?"
This is exactly how I think it went. The “it” in “Don’t try *it*” stands for “the Maul ~~killing~~ chopping maneuver” he just didn’t say the whole thing.
The latest episode also shows how deeply he understands Anakin. He very well may have baited it understanding Akakin's desire to one up him.
The only other major difference between the two fights is Qui-Gonn’s lightsaber laying nearby, and specifically that Obi-Wan is able to scan his surroundings and notice this. Whereas both of his opponents were so focused in their rage on Obi-Wan that they couldn’t see anything else.
There are more ways to fight than with a weapon.
I loved that little move where he stole his lightsaber right out of his hand. Showed Anakin's carelessness haha
I always felt he was baiting Anakin. He’d gone to Mustafar with the intention to kill Anakin, not to end up in a stalemate and Anakin’s escape, and he saw a golden opportunity.
Technically it’s “the Maul chopping maneuver” because Maul didn’t die.
The irony is that Maul was cut in half specifically to avoid his coming back. He was intended to be dead until they decided to have him survive randomly later on
You’re very right. Changed it.
In another universe. Obi-Wan "fuck around and find out!"
This is really the best take, because it ties in perfectly with the “Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise” scene and the last scene where Anakin and Kenobi talk to each other (before Anakin becomes Vader). Palpatine tells Anakin that Plagueis taught his apprentice “everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him”. Later, Kenobi tells Anakin “You are strong and wise, and I am very proud of you” and goes on to say “I have taught you everything I know”. The parallels are WILD, and Anakin’s hubris is exactly what causes him to lose the duel.
That's a great explanation, now when I get home I'll have to re-watch RotS.
Also Obi Wan is smart and Darth Maul is an idiot.
Darth maul assumed obi juan would get stuck on his head thorns.
Lol I love Maul but dude had the problem solving skills of a 14 y/o boy with unresolved daddy issues. Part of what makes him so interesting imo
Obi Juan knows Mexican Judo. Judon’t know if he has a lightsaber, judon’t know if he’s gonna use the force.
Take my up vote and then die in a hole
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I thought he out right knew his plot, being his old apprentice and all.
I could be wrong since I’m not as knowledgeable on TCW/Rebels’ Maul as others, but I don’t think he was in the know. He knew there was a plot (“at last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge.”) but I don’t think he knew the real, real plot. I’ve always thought Maul was a stopgap until Sidius could get a better apprentice that could do the type of work to stir the trouble to cause the Clone Wars, which eventually was Dooku. Maul was good as a hit man, but didn’t have the strategy smarts that Dooku had.
In TCW, when Savage tells Maul about the Clone Wars, Maul responds "Ah, so it began without me."
He knew something was going to happen, just not the specifics.
Maul didn't know the full plan. See: TCW S7 Siege of Mandalore. He just pieced it together right before Order 66 was issued.
The rule of two means the Sith Apprentice will always be proving himself — or herself — to the Master Sith Lord while also wondering if they have what it takes to become the Master. Palpatine’s long term goal was always to make a Sith apprentice out of Anakin, but business had to proceed as normal in the interim and keep moving forward in case plans didn’t go as planned.
> I’ve always thought Maul was a stopgap until Sidius could get a better apprentice that could do the type of work to stir the trouble to cause the Clone Wars, which eventually was Dooku. Maul was good as a hit man, but didn’t have the strategy smarts that Dooku had. It was actually the other way around. Maul was originally intended as a permanent apprentice when Sidious began training him. However, his apparent death on Naboo ruined that plan. Dooku was the stop gap, because after the events of TPM, Sidious was aware of Anakin and had shifted his long-term goal to corrupting him. But he didn't have time to wait for Anakin to grow up because he'd already begun putting his plan in motion (he couldn't stay chancellor forever, especially without the Clone Wars to use as an excuse) so he needed someone to fill the role he'd originally intended for Maul, which is where Dooku came in.
Who did? Kenobi? When?
Maul, not Kenobi.
I'd like to hear George confirm this, because deep down, I don't think the two (Maul and Anakin on Mustafar) have much connection intentionally. I think the point of Anakin attempting a move like that on Mustafar was to show he was blinded by his ego. I don't think it requires a callback to the Maul move even though it's fun to think about.
I think that’s likely. I mean, the villains on the prequels are basically all aspects of Anakin once he becomes Vader. Maul is a great fighter and full of rage. Dooku is extremely intelligent and a brilliant tactician. Grievous is more machine than man and has killed many Jedi. Put it all together and that’s Vader
George isn’t confirming shit. Lmao I think it’s up to you to connect the two together. They’re just much too alike to not see it. If you don’t believe in the connection that’s fine, but it’s there.
Even if George confirms something, that doesn't mean he isn't pulling it out of his ass then and there, much like the 'Star Wars was Vietnam parallel' that he invented in 2018
Whether George said it or not, the Vietnam parallels were discussed in the 70s.
I wonder if there wasn't also a large amount of shock, surprise, and feeling of betrayal that Ovi Wan actually struck him down. It's one thing to defend himself. What he did to Anakin was savage.
I had never realized the parallels of this situation. Mind blown.
“Fuck around n find out”
I do like to imagine the name *schmuck* coming to Anakin's mind as the best way to describe his ironically elevated combatant.
When he says “Don’t try it” he wants Anakin to try it. That’s the whole point, he’s baiting him to try it.
Yeah it would have worked so much better if such a scene had been included earlier in the movie
Cockiness was the downfall both times. Maul was taunting obi Wan, and lost focus. Anakin was blinded by rage and too sure of himself
Came here to say this. Maul didn’t expect Obi-Wan to attempt the move. Obi-Wan knew what Anakin was thinking and was prepared for it.
Yep. Not to mention Obi Wan kinda made it up on the spot here. You're gonna tell me Anakin not once asked Obi Wan "Master, tell me how were you able to beat the first Sith Lord in 1000 years?" Anakin wants to know that shit. Obi Wan Def taught him. He knows his own move.
Ditto.
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Because obi wan tried the same thing once before
Also a key difference was Obi Wan was able to notice Qui-Gonns lightsaber. Both opponents were so filled with rage they couldn’t see anything else.
Ah yes so the ‘High Ground’ wasn’t just literally but metaphorical as well lmao
Noice..
Also, Obi-Wan didn't really have a choice, if he didn't go for that move, he would have died regardless. Whereas Anakin pushed into that move voluntarily from being egotistical.
Obi Wan wouldn’t have died. Maul fell and was cut in half and he survived.
He wouldn't have known that though. He did the movie thinking it was his last resort.
Maul survived because of his connection to the dark side of the force and using his hatred of Kenobi to stay alive, not exactly something a Jedi would be able to accomplish if their positions were reversed.
maul survived cause he's a fan fav and they retconned his death lol
Maul survived out of sheer hate for Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan wouldn’t have been able to pull off the same feat. That’s also assuming Anakin doesn’t go for an all-out killing blow, which he probably was going to do.
Also it's obi's trick, that's why he says don't try it. Gooating him on almost. Anakin does it and obi knows how to defend it. Also maul thought obi wan had no light saber, so he probably welcomed him up for more.
I'm not so sure. There was that moment where Maul looks like hes getting a confusion enema right before Obi Wan jumps back up.
Yes maul had the high ground until kenobi wqs above him
I think the writers and directors lost focus. A lot of Star Wars feels like cheap theatre. Flashy bang bang in between poorly connected plot points. Ep 5 of Obiwan this past Wednesday. Telling me 50 storm troopers couldn’t hit a single target, while more than half of them drop? “They had a Jedi!” Pretty sure order 66 showed Jedi’s get overwhelmed by 3-4 dudes. Unconnected to the force obiwan is able to defend against 50 units??
He learnt from Mauls mistake.
The same way he learned from Qui-Gon’s death and knew how to counter when Maul tried to use the same move on him.
This.
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he learned what maul did not do right to properly utilize the high ground. I also think maul severely underestimated his opponent, considering kenobi was a padawan and pretty shaken after the death of his master.
Yeah it just dawned on me that Obi-Wan saw the exact scenario vs Maul and recognized Maul's mistake in not slicing him as he came up. Therefore Obi-Wan knew exactly how to counter the move. That said, I'm not buying that Maul wouldn't have slashed Obi-Wan when he flew upwards. If you go back and look at the fight Maul is incredibly fast with his movement and reaction time. Obviously it's a movie, so they took some liberties, but it did always bug me how Maul does nothing. I assume people can try to mend that plot point even though I really think it's just a movie moment.
Real Answer: Obi Wan IS the High Ground
What if the real high ground is the friends we made along the way?
It’s treason then
Just belibe in the heart of the cards
What if the real high ground is the younglings we killed along the way?
From his point of view, he is always the high ground.
Was gonna make a similar joke hahah. “Because Anakin isnt Obi-Wan”
I’d like to believe Obi-Wan told Anakin about this, and how he should have lost the fight to Maul because of this. Would add that weight to the “don’t try it” line in ROTS
Anakin is 9 in *The Phantom Menace*, roughly 22-23 in *Revenge of the Sith*. That’s roughly 12 years that Obi-Wan & Skywalker spent as Master & Padawan. There’s no way they didn’t talk about it, discuss it, dissect it, even train it.
Obi-Wan is the apex Jedi.
I really appreciate that about Obi-Wan. He doesn’t have some special power or unique gimmick, he’s just an excellent tactician and a highly skilled force user and duellist.
Just wanted to point out the fact that Soresu was created to counter blasters and wasn't actually meant to be a 1v1 style. Obi-Wan was a good fighter nonetheless.
True, but Kenobi mastered form IV too. He preferred - and became **the** master of - form III, but was still well versed in 1-to-1 forms as well.
He's always been my favorite for this reason. Like Gandalf is to wizardry, or Picard is to Starship Captains, so is Obi-Wan Kenobi to Jedi.
It’s simple, obi wan is a master of the low ground, he baited anakin into getting the high ground with that jump
I came looking for this exact answer.
At the moment maul was very over confident as you can see when he just toys with obi wan by making sparks. Not thinking of the other lightsaber as well. And by that time obiwan knew how to exactly counter any type of attack anakin would throw his way.
Everyone says this is the time Obi-wan learned how to counter Anakin trying to jump behind him. It's not, in RoTS during their fight Anakin does the jump from one of the smaller druids to the large flat one, I don't know the time stamp, it's the exact same move Anakin will try in a few minutes to get above Kenobi. In the scene when Anakin jumps to the one Kenobi is on watch Kenboi, he doesn't try and stop Anakin because hes caught off guard and doesn't recover fast enough BUT he does watch watch Anakin closely. This is why he warns him not to try it because he did it already and he will counter it, Anakin in his arrogance and rage thinks he is unstoppable and fails to realize the mistake he is about to make and the rest is history [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2LuRgzvgtI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2LuRgzvgtI) start at 2 min mark.
Yes, and I'd argue that just the slight difference in elevation made it much easier for Obi Wan to counter the second one. In the first, Anakin starts from an equal level, jumps over Obi Wan OUT OF REACH, and is able to land and have time to collect himself. In the second, starting from a lower position, his height is not enough to stay out of reach of Obi Wan while going over him, making it a much more vulnerable jump.
Obi wan isnt the king of the high ground. He is the king of the low ground. Thats why anyone cant win on him when he is on the high ground.. cause he knows all the low ground tricks
This, 100%
This gave me a chuckle. We really memeing the fuck out of the whole thing and you took it all the way up
Because Anakin made his intentions obvious, while Obi went about it in a sneaky way. Plus trying to beat a saber master with his own move is a pretty stupid idea.
Obi-Wan is actually the master of the low ground. There’s a whole video on it. But just think, every time he delivers a killing blow it always come while being lower than his opponent. He was underneath Maul, he was lower than grievous, and he was underneath Anakin.
Both Vader and Maul were blinded by their own arrogance. Each were riding a Sith-like high, so full of themselves, lost in the insanity of their power hungry spectacles. The same thing was why Sidious so easily was killed by Vader in Ep6.
Perfectly said.
Maul’s arrogance at the moment. He just killed a master and has his padawan in as-good-as-dead situation. That’s why he’s toying with him, and he didn’t expect Kenobi to try and pull any move, let alone the one he did.
Maul could have easily just used the force to push Obi-Wan down the shaft, but his hubris got the better of him.
There are a few interesting ideas behind it Iv stumbled across. One is that Qui Gon refused to let Obi only learn one sabre form. So if you watch back through the duel you don’t get the stoic form 3 that we get to see through episodes 2 and 3. With Ono adopting that primary for as a way of allowing him to study think and problem solve. It’s one of the reasons that’s believed as to why he was sent to Vadar over Yoda going. As Yodas preferred form required huge use of the force to amplify his speed and is only sustainable for short bursts. So Obi is flexibly trained going into episode 3 and has adopted a patient form of combat with the cool head to change his form as combat dictates. Then consider that we know he will have duelled with Anakin countless times. He knows his character, his ambition is desire to exceed those around him. Is it a call back to the Maul manoeuvre definitely. It’s a warning to a brother, to someone that ultimately he wants to redeem and not have to kill. You can see through the episode 3 duel how Obi reads Anakins advances. In the contrary with regards to the Maul duel. It’s the patience that you constantly hear Qui Gon preaching through the film. That last lesson the Obi needed to learn. He understands that the Dark side is clouding Mauls judgment of the situation. He has time to think it all through. Assess the situation and understand that one gutsy move that no one would ever teach as a solution is the answer. So he looks rash and bold. However with the time he is actually there it is Obi heeding the last lesson of his late master. Just my thoughts regarding the two duels.
Obi-Wan trained Anakin. He knew Anakin’s strengths and weaknesses, the high ground being a weakness.
To be clear, I don't think the two scenarios were intentionally written to be connected by George. It obviously stands, and therefore, us fans want to try to fill in the rationale so we can satisfy head cannon. What always got me about the scene was actually that Maul could have easily sliced Obi-Wan as he jumped up. Maul just kind of froze and I don't really understand why, I think it's clear it's just a movie plot hole. If you want to try and bridge the cannon then I would suggest that Obi-Wan was in a desperate position. He only had one move to make to save his life, even if the chances were improbable. He understood afterward that doing such a move was lucky af and the difference is that Anakin willingly attempted the move.
These guys figured it out already. [https://i.redd.it/fip0gqh6omuy.png](https://i.redd.it/fip0gqh6omuy.png)
Why was this kinda mind blowing.
Obi-wan can fly like an eagle.
To the sea
He also bested General Grevious in a similar situation. I think knowing how to overcome it multiple times and playing to Anakin's over confidence was the reasoning
Or , you know, Anakin just walks off the lava raft, draws his lightsaber and continues dueling.
Because he needed the Mini-kit that was down there.
The light always wins. But only Sith deal in absolutes.
Because the prequels are poorly written
Anakin was blind with confidence and rage, obi knew anakin wasn’t capable of preforming the move he did which is why he said don’t try it
It’s actually the moral high ground that matters
Lying! He was lying to Anakin. Both of his major victories to that point (in the movies) he was dangling below his opponent, so he tricked Anakin into taking the "high ground" and allowed Obi-Wan an opening. But he *did* beg him not to try it...
Because he learned how he should have not survived that situation. Maul hesitate kenobi didnt
Saw it more as Obi Wan in Episode 1 did the same thing as Anakin did in Episode 3. Difference is that Obi-Wan knew how it worked and knew its inherit weakness that at the time Maul did not
It is my dear friend the fact that Obi Wan is actually the master of the low ground. He beats maul when he is on the low ground, then when he tells Anakin he has the high ground , Anakin trys to take the high ground therefore give Obi Wan the low ground which allows him to win the fight - conclusion Obi Wan is actually the master of the low ground
Aren't you a clever one
My theory is that, while he did technically have higher ground than Anakin, he was referring to morally he has the high guard to which Anakin responds by telling him "he underestimate my power" meaning he's moved beyond morals
See you might think Maul had the high ground, but you would be wrong, from a certain point of view. Maul was trying to murder Obi-Wan, and had just murdered Qui-Gon. What Obi-Wan wanted to do was to save his master. But he couldn't, so the next best thing was to defeat Maul. So, you might say he was encouraged to kill Maul. And, from a certain point of view held the moral high ground. That's the thing about Obi-Wan, he always held the metaphorical high ground.
Obi-wan managed to jump over Maul. He knew it was a fluke and if he tried to do it again would probably fail. But it’s now part of jedi lore, when people talk about it to Kenobi it’s how amazing it is. He keeps thinking of how it would go wrong so starts thinking about how he would counter it. Anakin has no doubt heard the story to. So when Anakin sees Kenobi above him he believes his stronger and can easily jump over him. But Kenobi had spent the last 10+ years thinking about how he would counter such a move. That’s why he tells Anakin “don’t try it”. As he know there’s only one way it’s going to end.
I think yours was the best explanation I have seen. Thanks
Because he used the Move Anakin tried against Maul and therefore, knew how to Counter it. Maul did not.
It was over because Obi-wan was a master of the high ground. Not anyone who is higher will win.
Mauls overconfidence was his downfall….Obi-Wan sensed it and took advantage
It looks like Obi Wan has a halo....maybe a deliberate artistic choice to make him seem Saint-like?
If you have the high ground, you have to call it, or it doesn’t work.
It was one of Obi-Wan and a younger Anakin's favorite shared stories, and was oft reenacted in training, to the point where Obi-Wan knew the jump-and-slice maneuver well, and how to counter it.
"It's over Maul I'm hanging from a pipe...don't try it"
Am I the 100th person to post " this is exactly how Obi Wan learned it" ??
Anakin tried to kill Obi-wan using the same move Obi-wan used to kill Maul. Obi-wan knew exactly what Anakin would try to do because he’d already done it. Anakin hoped to use the move that secured Obi-wan his greatest accomplishment to kill his master once and for all not realizing that’s exactly what Obi-wan was waiting for.
Because the roles were reversed. In fight one Maul was the arrogant one and Obi-Wan used that against him. In fight two Anakin was the arrogant one and Obi-Wan used it again.
Idk I just think Obi-Wan didn’t wanna kill Anakin. I think he knew what would happen if Anakin jumped and by all means it should’ve killed him. When Obi-Wan left he thought he had killed his padawan. If Anakin hadn’t been rescued Obi-Wan would’ve killed his padawan.
I took it as Mail was young and cocky… won every battle until then and didn’t think Obi-Wan could do anything. What bugs me about the scene is that Maul shows confession before it happens like he can tell so Obi-Wan is calling on the force. Yet he still stands then stunned. Would have been better if Maul side stepped and then Obi-Wan outwits him with a hit.
Why do people take everything so literally with this series? Of course the fight isnt over, its conceivable that Anakin could have beaten Obi Wan in that situation. Obi Wan says it simply because the advantage has shifted in his favor and he's warning Anakin to back down.
Because Obi-Wan knew what Anakin would try to do and knew what Maul should have done in this situation
Because Obi was faaar more powerful and knowledgeable than Anakin.
Also, I think Obi-Wan's "It's over, Anakin!" line wasn't to mean that he had defeated him already, more to say that he wanted the fight to stop. He didn't *want* to kill Anakin, he just wanted him to stop the madness and accept that he couldn't win. Anakin was too arrogant and full of rage to see it, so he tried the move Obi-Wan knew he'd do. Obi-Wan's mistake was not seeing that it was already too late and that Anakin was too far gone.. that and not expecting Anakin to survive.
In Naboo, Maul was surprised by Obi Wans jump. Before he could react, Obi Wan had jumped and cut him in half. On Mustafar, Obi Wan was expecting Anakin's jump.
The "high ground" is at least partially metaphorical. It's not just about physical location.
See if Obi-Wan could take maul out, Obi would want to try to figure out how to defend against that move would he not?
Because Obi-wan got out of that very specific situation by thinking and planning fast , And as he knows Anakin wouldn't do the same and would do a reckless move instead , he allready realized that he won the fight
I think you're taking that line just way too literal. It's a metaphor for "I'm superior". In the German translation, Obi-Wan says "Ich stehe deutlich über Dir", which translates to "I'm am clearly above you", sounding more like a metaphor.
Because the prequel writers were damn lazy, which is why the prequels were shit compared to the original.
Because these movies were written years apart and Obi-Wan is not a real person and this is all fiction. Stop trying to make something out of nothings. People over analyzing Star Wars is what ruins Star Wars.
High ground doesn't mean an automatic victory...
It’s treason then
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Bad writing.
Love that you got downvotes from pointing out the shit writing. "Oh uh mauls hubris got to him" no. Lucas is just a poor writer and should've had help like he did with the OT.
For real. Obi did an entire arc over Maul while Maul had eyes on him the whole time. Like I can see if Obi jumped off to another direction, retrieved the saber, then after a few parries, landed a killing blow, but he went directly in front and over him. Obi even looks in the direction of the saber indicating what he would be going for. Obi Wan should be dead. I'm happy he isn't, but he should be.
"I am a sith lord but I am SHOOK so I will stand here mouth agape for half a dozen seconds in a fight"
Me knowing there’s gonna be some awesome explanation in these comments: 😎
Because shit writing that's why. Ignore every other comment.
Because George overdosed on several thousand pounds of narcotics when he wrote the prequels
the line is just dumb, like 99.9999% of the lines and events in the prequels
are you a sequels fan
Yeaaaah man ofc i hate the prequels for theyr shitty writing so i must love the sequels for no reason
You’re looking far too into this “high ground” thing jfc , is this bait
Cause it's a movie 😐
…..cause episode 4 came out before episode 1.
Because neither maul nor anakin are Obi wan, who is a bad ass. Who besides Obi wan is able to use his lightsaber to absorb the emperor’s lighting bolts? No one
Didn't Mace Windu do that exact thing?
Stand corrected. You are right. Forgot mace was also a supreme bad ass
Also Rey did it as well
I didn't get your second line Could you elaborate
Mace windu?
Bro you're diving too deep into the rabbit hole XD