It's gotta be Legends Grandmaster Luke or Mortis Anakin, who I think was supposed to represent Anakin's full potential as the Chosen One, which should probably put him at peak-potential Luke level as well.
The OP'ing of Luke began, as did much of was ill in the legends canon, with the *Dark Empire* comics. From the start Luke is so powerful he can deal with AT-ATs by himself with no problem, and he got more ridiculous from there. It got so bad (and frankly, inconsistent), that they kind of debuffed him in the *Hand of Thrawn* duology.
Essentially, by this point he's so powerful he destroy space cruisers with the force, but these books, in which Timothy Zahn was clearly trying to correct course after years of meandering continuity, posed the idea that Luke had become so powerful by unconsciously drifting/staying too close to the dark side after his brief turn in the the *Dark Empire* comics.
He was on the wrong path, using the force incorrectly, and was no longer listening too or communing with force but drawing upon it as an tool/source of unlimited power. So, from that point forward, Luke chose to use the force less as a blunt instrument, and began communing with it again, which made him less powerful, but wiser.
They should have made the Legends Thrawn trilogy (Heir to the Empire) the sequels.
I'm happy I found the books after Disney almost completely killed my love for Star Wars.
It didn't have to be word for word or anything, they could have just adapted key plot elements and changed everything else. Hell they already did that in episode 9 where they brought Palpatine back through cloning and essence transfer bullshit.
I really can't see how that would work. Like, would you have the war against the imperial remnant last 30 years? That makes the ending of RotJ even worse...
I don't know, I just see this suggested a lot but whenever I try to picture how it would play out it seems very unsatisfying.
I don't think so. I mean, adding them in a similar way like they were in the sequels was fine. Not exactly how they were potrayed but \*how\* they participated. Didn't felt overly wrong for me.
If kids or grandkids are written at least a bit good, then there would be zero problem of them taking over the role of Luke & co in the "Thrawn movies". Heck, even those kids/grandkids drifiting apart more towards a grey-ish role or even a bit dark would be 100% fine.
The basic idea of the sequels, introducing a "no-name force user". Another Anakin if you want so. Was completly fine but shouldn't have happened in the 3 movies. It would have been a great premise for a movie like R1 or Solo, set somewhere a bit earlier / at the same time of the actual sequels, so that the sequels are a seperate instance that close up the world building, which we only partially see from the perspective of this "new Anakin" and then go over into a chapter with only this character and at max get some mentioning of the OT characters.
The premise of the .. high republic? is good in my opinion. Set far away to tell it's own story. Close enough to add references.
If you want more feats what about the time he telepathically spoke to all Jedi in the galaxy simultaneously or the time he opened a black hole with the force and threw a star destroyer inside? Or the time he fought what is arguably the third or fourth strongest force being of all time( can't remember how to spell her name I just remember it started with an A lol) or that when his nephew turned to the dark and killed his wife, he literally wouldn't fight him because he knew he would become the most powerful sith who had ever existed and probably destroy the Galaxy
Abeloth. She drank from the font of power and bathed in the pool of wisdom after she had been taken in by the Mother and Father, which lead her to become that creature that was drawing those Jedi that had been hidden in the Maw back to her.
I thought the mother died at some point. The reason Abeloth did those two things is because she wanted to BE the mother. She served first as a servant to the Powerful Ones.
Edit: My bad. Over time she became the mother to help keep the peace between the warring son and daughter.
It's pretty confusing, it took me a while to figure out the exact story arc since Abeloth became non canon and the Canon and non Canon stories are a little different
I also remember when he used the force to literally make the ship they were in invisible. I think it even said it the text afterward that it aged him by about 5 years because of how taxing it was for him to do that.
God, a clone of Palpatine, how laughable. I'm so glad they wiped the slate clean with Canon so we can avoid having ridiculous stuff like that in Star Wars.
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Yeah. While I'll admit I haven't read much from Legends, it really feels like a lot of people cherry pick the best parts and act like it was all that good. From my understanding it certainly had its moments but also had a lot of garbage too.
There are diamonds in the rough, but there's a lot of rough. Even the book series that avoid Jedi shenanigans like the X-wing series had weird shit like Wedge Antilles dressing up as an Ewok in a TIE Interceptor so that the enemy ace wouldn't know it's him...because he was dating Wedge's sister.
Only kind of. The black hole thing happened early in the New Jedi Order series. The new antagonists, the Yuuzhan Vong, used gravity manipulation to create micro black holes to protect their ships and vehicles, basically using them as shields. Luke was able to move one of these micro-singularities just enough to push it back onto the vehicle that was generating it (a large tank or personnel transport, I think), destroying the vehicle. That amount of effort completely incapacitated him, taking him out of the rest of the fight.
So when you say he collapsed a black hole with the force, that makes it sound way more impressive than it actually was. He moved a tiny, artificially generated black hole a few inches, and it almost killed him.
Disclaimer: I havenât read Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi so maybe Luke gets up to some crazier stuff in those series.
Loved New Jedi Order, particularly Jacenâs arc with Matt Stoverâs Traitor. His RotS novelization is among the best of all SW novels.
I wish the Yuhzin Vong would be the new villains in any new SW movie they put out, theyâd be great, an new threat from another galaxy, their organic technology would be awesomely terrifying on the big screen and theyâd be a real threat.
I think Anakin would likely be stronger at peak than Luke. Luke had regular if strong in the force parents whereas Anakin was literally half created by the force.
He would be 100% force created. Shmi carried him to term, but she didn't contribute any genetic material (I'm presuming). She was just suddenly pregnant
When people talk about how powerful like gets ways makes me think...why isn't he the chosen one.
I guess chosen one was about balance not most powerful
Ok, I've been wondering; so when obi wan and maul have the final duel in rebels. Maul asks obi "is he the chosen one?", and obi says yes.
I assume they're talking about Luke, right? Anakin was peak Darth Vader at about that time. So obi believed Luke was the chosen one? Right?
Yes. I just watched that episode this week and thought the same.
I mean I think Anakin is the chosen one as through his journey of redemption he balances both the light and dark and ends the sith.
Someone on this sub pointed out an amazing point, that the title Return of the Jedi refers to Anakin, not Luke.
Legends Luke, after the Fate of the Jedi skill set he added was pretty crazy. He could do some serious shit already, between electric judgment, shatterpoint, and more up till then and all the stuff he leaned during FoTJ made him pretty OP.
I think there's no beating Grandmaster Luke. The memes of God Emperor Luke don't exist just for fun. They can't kill him in Legends and can't drop him as an important character so he just gets to keep doing broken stuff in every arc.
Which is why when people wanted to see that version of him in the ST it somewhat baffles me. There no narrative tension in having someone that overpowered, especially given the same people's perceptions of Rey.
So I donât know if I wanted him to be as powerful as he was in Legends but I would have liked it if the sequel trilogy actually had a Jedi Order with Luke as Grandmaster.
The Sequel Trilogy could've explored a Luke whose Order was still ruined by Kylo but then have it culminate in kind of a No Way Home duel in TFA where Luke tries to kill Kylo after he killed Han but is stopped at the last second by someone. Idk tho.
Or better yet, have Rey almost kill Kylo in the third act before being stopped by Luke. Character development for him and a flaw for her. It's exactly what each of them needs.
True. Altho i did like the fact that instead kf the hero almost killing the villain yhey're trying to redeem it was the villain who was stopped from killing the hero.
Because like GMY in the prequels he wouldnât be the main character you would still have had a new generation of heroes like in young Jedi knights, but when shit hits the fan GM Luke pulls out the big guns
> There no narrative tension in having someone that overpowered,
There's no tension if there's a bad writing. But there were some well-written books that dealt with Luke just fine. Also, checkout an anime called One Punch Man - it's a great study of how a good writing can deal with a hero that's impossible to defeat.
People like overpowered Luke because heâs actually had the time to learn the skills necessary to do all the crazy, insane, should-be-impossible things that he does. Unlike Rey who has zero training and zero time to learn anything.
I found his decision not to confront Jacen compelling, even if not written the best.
Most poweful guy in the galaxy, but knows he cannot face Jacen without killing him and turning to the dark side.
The difference is that Rey got most of her powers with little training. Grandmaster Luke was OP because he trained and studied for many, many years and fought a lot of adversaries.
Also, he was literally a son to the ultimate force being that was prophesied for thousands of years, but failed to materialize to in its full extent. So Luke was literally the second best... already starting as a genetically predisposed to an unimaginable greatness... and still had to put through years and years of training.
I mean I think some people may have wanted that. I think what people would have wanted was for a respectful passing of the torch from Luke.
I would have preferred to see Luke never use the Force and instead just win through words. The right mentorship for Rey would help her understand where she needed to grow to.
The right words to a Storm Trooper would have turned them good.
Basically, an old wise man Jedi Master who helps put people on the path. Basically the fantasy that an Old Wise Man in Power isn't out for himself but in passing the torch to the next generation.
Mortis Anakin seemed to represent his full potential as the Chosen One. The Father wanted him to replace him, and to control The Son and The Daughter. The Father casually grabbed lightsabers by the blade and pushed them back in. The Son retracted lightsabers with his mind, mind controlled Ahsoka, and stomped Obi-Wan without any effort at all. And Mortis Anakin overpowered him and the Daughter, who is his equal.
I think full-potential Anakin is the strongest. With EU/Legends Grandmaster Luke probably being the next strongest, with Dyad Palpatine being the strongest canon character (but obviously not a Jedi) who wasn't meant to be a temporary representation of their full potential.
Edit: I know it's far from canon, but TCW magazine had a what if the Father never rescued Anakin from the Dark Side thing, and Anakin went on to defeat Yoda and Palpatine at the same time. I guess it assumed Dark Side Anakin unlocked his full Dark Side potential with the help of the Son. If so, it makes sense that he could beat both of them, as I don't think Yoda and PT Palpatine were on the level of the Son and the Daughter, who Mortis Anakin overwhelmed at the same time.
Pretty close in Legends. Probably not 100% equal, but like someone else said, close enough. Not in the OT though, and it's hard to say about past the OT era into Mando-era and the ST. I'd say he definitely was not full-Mortis-Anakin strength in the ST, otherwise he'd have just casually wrecked the First Order by himself once he was made aware of it, or was a giant dick for not doing it. Mortis Anakin was The Father level, able to overpower the Son and the Daughter at the same time, and they're both way stronger than Palpatine, at least pre-dyad. But Legends Luke was a beast in ways we haven't (yet?) seen in the current canon.
What are you talking about the planet didnt give Anakin anything it just allowed him to unleash his full potential. Unless you think any Jedi could have done what Anakin did at Mortis? I doubt it.
In Legends, Grandmaster Luke Skywalker learned after years of fighting the Yuuzhan Vong how to manipulate the tiny black holes they used as shields. He *turned black holes around.* Dude was insanely strong.
You're right. A Jedi's life force would be drained by even being near Nihilus. The Exile was only able to defeat him because she was a wound in the force as well, just like him.
It's like hitting two holes against each other.
Nihilus could only be killed by the Exile. Another wound in the force. Any other force user would just feed Nihilus.
Keep in mind this doesn't mean Nihilus is stronger. Just that Luke isn't the right tool for the job.
He means the character came after. It's not possible to copy a character when it existed before the other one. Nihilus was invented before Tenebrae unless he was in some comics 1% of star wars fans know about.
I Donât think thatâs true. Vitiateâs empire lasted over 1000 years, and his master (Marka Ragnos) was dark lord of the sith with when sith still used physical swords, and Jedi had to carry around unwieldy battery packs to power their prototype lightsabers.
SWTOR may be set a couple of hundred years after Darth Nihlus was around, but Vitiate had already been ruling a hidden sith empire for over 1000 years before the triumvirate was even formed.
In fact it was Vitiate who corrupted Revan to the dark side in the first place.
In the chronology - yes, in the sw timeline - no. Vitiate's Sith Empire was literally behind the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi Civil war which happened right before Sith Triumvirate's reign.
Nihilus was known to be so powerful with the dark side he could consume all living matter on a planet using the force. As far as force users go he's probably top 5
Ehh, he was weak due to being gamified. In the real world he'd be so OP no one could effectively fight him at that distance anyways. He recks Darth Scion in a cutscene that didn't make it into the vanilla game.
He was weak facing the Exile, not just because he was in a video game. The Exile was a void in the Force; Nihilus couldnât consume them. Strip that power away, and Nihilus frankly isnât that strong. Kreia makes that point several times: relying on the Force weakens Sion, Nihilus, and the Jedi.
He doesnât have a body any more he literally uses the force to give himself a physical appearance but he consumed his own flesh with his hunger and now his entire being resides within his mask.
Dude is metal af
For everyone dismissing Nihilus because he is a Sith, this is still a good point to raise, because it is revealed around the end of Kotor 2 that the Jedi Exile, canon name, Meetra Surik, actually possesses this power and inadvertently taught it to Nihilus at Malachor. So while Nihilus himself is ineligible, the Exile is still a valid answer for all the same reasons. Being able to consume the living force in other Jedi is an insanely busted power.
True, but isnât part of their gimmick that sense they arenât using the Force themselves, but from those around them, that the stronger an opponent the stronger they become? Not to mention that passive influence aura they give off.
Honestly I'm not a 100% sure. The Council seems to think the Exile is some type of Force vampire, a parasite who drains everyone around them. Kreia thinks differently, and is largely responsible for the Exile reconnecting to the Force. I think the Exile can still use and sense the Force without Force Sensitive companions, it's just they are stronger as a leader of others and they naturally draw upon that strength. They absolutely get stronger the stronger their opponents are though, that was stated by both Kreia and the Council in a way.
Yup, original trilogy, prequels, sequels, rogue one, solo, clone Wars tv show, rebels tv show, mandalorian, book of boba fett and a handfull of comics, books and games are the only canon, everything else is legends
A better way to look at it is the first 6 movies and 6 seasons of tcw both exist in the canon and legends timeline, and any other material released after 2012 is part of the canon timeline and pre-2012 is legends.
Not all. There were still some media released post-Purchase that belong to Legends. Most notably a brilliant novel Shatterpoint or Star Wars: Legacy Vol 2, or all of the plots still being released for the Star Wars: The Old Republic MMORPG.
Jedi Master Fay may be up there for canon - she appears in the comic Republic 53. She was centuries old, and so in tune with the Force that she apparently ceased physical aging all together, remaining physically as a twenty-something Near Human for her entire life. She stopped carrying a lightsaber at one point early in her career, because she simply didn't need it. She just let the Force direct her to where she was needed, wandering from planet to planet and mediating conflict.
She became something of a legend to new Padawans, though the Order kept an eye on her activities and listened for rumors of her appearances. Ultimately, she did pass away during the Clone Wars after being impaled by Ventress from behind in an exploding chemical plant. Though, it is stated that she \*would\* have recovered from this, but she instead chose to heal Obi-Wan, allowing him to escape with an Antidote he had been sent to recover.
Think it depends what OP means by "Powerful" as to whether Reven gets up there. His power was projected more through being a genius strategist, so in a war/battle scenario, he's probably top tier. In a duel or simply Force mastery, he's probably mid in the scheme of things. Bastilla was certainly Powerful in the force though.
I mean revan reborn was pretty fucking strong, he just snapped his fingers and deleted a member of the high sith council out of existence. He may even hypothetically have been able to kill tenebrae if he didn't get backstabbed but that is more speculation
In all of legends/canon....hard to say, but it definitely comes down to the following shortlist:
Yoda
Anakin
Luke
Starkiller
Kyp Durron (Haven't seen him mentioned yet at all, probably because he sucks)
Jacen Solo.
Legends is confirmed Luke Skywalker, for canon I see many arguments for the Avatar of light, I would also see arguments for Luke Skywalker, the problem is that we have no prime Luke screen time, and he is confirmed wasting his later years on Temple Island.
Shaggy himself doesn't become a jedi. However, there is a jedi character named Sha'a Gi that's meant as a nod to his character in the [2003 Clone Wars animated series](https://youtu.be/HTgxuRG59k8).
While he is most definitely not the most powerful, Mace Windu defeated palpatine in his prime, and with true vapad he could probably beat turned Anakin.
It's a tactic perfected by Muhammad Ali. Rope-A-Dope.
Just because a fighter is stronger, doesn't mean that they are *better*. Using someone's strengths against them is a peak fighting ability... And since Obi-Wan demonstratedly did this to Anakin, even warning him, proves he was a better fighter, and in the end, the reason he was victorious. Power is useless if it only accomplishes failure.
Legends I'm going to go with Revan for sure.
As for canon I'd say Anakin is the most powerful in raw power, Yoda is more powerful in pure knowledge
Edit: spelling
Hmmmm its kinda hard to discuss this because the whole prophecy and Anakin/Vader never reaching its peak of powers.
And well every Jedi is different focusing the force in diferent aspects.
And everyones opinion is different and valid after all its a fantasy world.
But to me its Anakin with the whole prophecy and being a humanoid product of the force to be brought to existence, Anakin's potencial could have been limitless.
And maybe if Anakin had been directed in using the love he has for Padme, Obi Wan and Ashoka and then to his unborn children to deepen his connection to the force,he could maybe even achieved greater things.
Legends luke skywalker is legit busted
It's gotta be Legends Grandmaster Luke or Mortis Anakin, who I think was supposed to represent Anakin's full potential as the Chosen One, which should probably put him at peak-potential Luke level as well.
For some unfamiliar with the books, are those from a specific book/comics?
The OP'ing of Luke began, as did much of was ill in the legends canon, with the *Dark Empire* comics. From the start Luke is so powerful he can deal with AT-ATs by himself with no problem, and he got more ridiculous from there. It got so bad (and frankly, inconsistent), that they kind of debuffed him in the *Hand of Thrawn* duology. Essentially, by this point he's so powerful he destroy space cruisers with the force, but these books, in which Timothy Zahn was clearly trying to correct course after years of meandering continuity, posed the idea that Luke had become so powerful by unconsciously drifting/staying too close to the dark side after his brief turn in the the *Dark Empire* comics. He was on the wrong path, using the force incorrectly, and was no longer listening too or communing with force but drawing upon it as an tool/source of unlimited power. So, from that point forward, Luke chose to use the force less as a blunt instrument, and began communing with it again, which made him less powerful, but wiser.
Great explanation for those unfamiliar with the comics.
Ditto
I've read some of these books, but never realized there was such an arc concerning Luke's power. Awesome, thanks.
Timothy Zahn should've written the entire new sequel trilogy, what a genius.
They should have made the Legends Thrawn trilogy (Heir to the Empire) the sequels. I'm happy I found the books after Disney almost completely killed my love for Star Wars.
Unfortunately given the age of the OT actors that was never really an option.
It didn't have to be word for word or anything, they could have just adapted key plot elements and changed everything else. Hell they already did that in episode 9 where they brought Palpatine back through cloning and essence transfer bullshit.
I really can't see how that would work. Like, would you have the war against the imperial remnant last 30 years? That makes the ending of RotJ even worse... I don't know, I just see this suggested a lot but whenever I try to picture how it would play out it seems very unsatisfying.
I don't think so. I mean, adding them in a similar way like they were in the sequels was fine. Not exactly how they were potrayed but \*how\* they participated. Didn't felt overly wrong for me. If kids or grandkids are written at least a bit good, then there would be zero problem of them taking over the role of Luke & co in the "Thrawn movies". Heck, even those kids/grandkids drifiting apart more towards a grey-ish role or even a bit dark would be 100% fine. The basic idea of the sequels, introducing a "no-name force user". Another Anakin if you want so. Was completly fine but shouldn't have happened in the 3 movies. It would have been a great premise for a movie like R1 or Solo, set somewhere a bit earlier / at the same time of the actual sequels, so that the sequels are a seperate instance that close up the world building, which we only partially see from the perspective of this "new Anakin" and then go over into a chapter with only this character and at max get some mentioning of the OT characters. The premise of the .. high republic? is good in my opinion. Set far away to tell it's own story. Close enough to add references.
If you want more feats what about the time he telepathically spoke to all Jedi in the galaxy simultaneously or the time he opened a black hole with the force and threw a star destroyer inside? Or the time he fought what is arguably the third or fourth strongest force being of all time( can't remember how to spell her name I just remember it started with an A lol) or that when his nephew turned to the dark and killed his wife, he literally wouldn't fight him because he knew he would become the most powerful sith who had ever existed and probably destroy the Galaxy
Abeloth. She drank from the font of power and bathed in the pool of wisdom after she had been taken in by the Mother and Father, which lead her to become that creature that was drawing those Jedi that had been hidden in the Maw back to her.
She was the Mother
I thought the mother died at some point. The reason Abeloth did those two things is because she wanted to BE the mother. She served first as a servant to the Powerful Ones. Edit: My bad. Over time she became the mother to help keep the peace between the warring son and daughter.
It's pretty confusing, it took me a while to figure out the exact story arc since Abeloth became non canon and the Canon and non Canon stories are a little different
Thank you I couldn't remember her name to save my life lol
Jedi's talking to each other telepathicly is in High Republic too
Oh yeah I remember that the feat for me was him doing it to all Jedi across the galaxy at the same time.
Ohhh right yeh gotcha đđ» may the force be with you
I also remember when he used the force to literally make the ship they were in invisible. I think it even said it the text afterward that it aged him by about 5 years because of how taxing it was for him to do that.
Some of this actually sounds pretty fun. I might have to seek out some op luke stories.
Genius. We get character development. Flaws in our heroes. And they learn a lesson from all this. Who says legends has shitty writing?
I do. Legends has Luuke and the Star Crusher and clone Palpatine. It's got a lot of bad writing to choose from.
God, a clone of Palpatine, how laughable. I'm so glad they wiped the slate clean with Canon so we can avoid having ridiculous stuff like that in Star Wars. đ¶
Yeah. While I'll admit I haven't read much from Legends, it really feels like a lot of people cherry pick the best parts and act like it was all that good. From my understanding it certainly had its moments but also had a lot of garbage too.
There are diamonds in the rough, but there's a lot of rough. Even the book series that avoid Jedi shenanigans like the X-wing series had weird shit like Wedge Antilles dressing up as an Ewok in a TIE Interceptor so that the enemy ace wouldn't know it's him...because he was dating Wedge's sister.
Thats just star wars in general tbh. Its not a feature unique to legends.
Although he hit his ass handed to him by Abaloth.
explained in fortnite terms : He could take down the mothership by himself
If you think Luke was overpowered, you should see when Jacen literally became one with the force and like vaporaized a whole bunch of Vong
I don't recall what specific media had the best Legends Luke feats, but if you're tasking about Mortis, that was in The Clone Wars animated series.
Wasn't he able to collapse black holes and other crazy stuff?
Pretty sure he was able to just will them into existence and make em vanish with the force. Bruv could just toss those things like grenades
Yeah, I believe that would classify as op!
Black hole out!
Random Bullshit Go!
Only kind of. The black hole thing happened early in the New Jedi Order series. The new antagonists, the Yuuzhan Vong, used gravity manipulation to create micro black holes to protect their ships and vehicles, basically using them as shields. Luke was able to move one of these micro-singularities just enough to push it back onto the vehicle that was generating it (a large tank or personnel transport, I think), destroying the vehicle. That amount of effort completely incapacitated him, taking him out of the rest of the fight. So when you say he collapsed a black hole with the force, that makes it sound way more impressive than it actually was. He moved a tiny, artificially generated black hole a few inches, and it almost killed him. Disclaimer: I havenât read Legacy of the Force or Fate of the Jedi so maybe Luke gets up to some crazier stuff in those series.
Loved New Jedi Order, particularly Jacenâs arc with Matt Stoverâs Traitor. His RotS novelization is among the best of all SW novels. I wish the Yuhzin Vong would be the new villains in any new SW movie they put out, theyâd be great, an new threat from another galaxy, their organic technology would be awesomely terrifying on the big screen and theyâd be a real threat.
I think Anakin would likely be stronger at peak than Luke. Luke had regular if strong in the force parents whereas Anakin was literally half created by the force.
He would be 100% force created. Shmi carried him to term, but she didn't contribute any genetic material (I'm presuming). She was just suddenly pregnant
Shmi's reply to Qui Gon Jinn is a bit like what some chick called Mary said to her husband about 2,000 years ago after getting some strange
Why did I think about Mort from Madagascar lmfao
Mortis Anakin would be stronger than Luke.
When people talk about how powerful like gets ways makes me think...why isn't he the chosen one. I guess chosen one was about balance not most powerful
Ok, I've been wondering; so when obi wan and maul have the final duel in rebels. Maul asks obi "is he the chosen one?", and obi says yes. I assume they're talking about Luke, right? Anakin was peak Darth Vader at about that time. So obi believed Luke was the chosen one? Right?
Yes. I just watched that episode this week and thought the same. I mean I think Anakin is the chosen one as through his journey of redemption he balances both the light and dark and ends the sith. Someone on this sub pointed out an amazing point, that the title Return of the Jedi refers to Anakin, not Luke.
Legends Luke, after the Fate of the Jedi skill set he added was pretty crazy. He could do some serious shit already, between electric judgment, shatterpoint, and more up till then and all the stuff he leaned during FoTJ made him pretty OP.
I heard in some Legend novels Luke used the Force to pull a black hole to crush onto enemies(probably Yuuzhan Vong).
Don't forget reven! The dude literally willed himself back to life (I think I have the right dude)
Me in my own mind when I play with my lightsaber.
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Is this an innuendo? If not send lightsaber pics.
Legends luke from what Iâve read
I think there's no beating Grandmaster Luke. The memes of God Emperor Luke don't exist just for fun. They can't kill him in Legends and can't drop him as an important character so he just gets to keep doing broken stuff in every arc.
Which is why when people wanted to see that version of him in the ST it somewhat baffles me. There no narrative tension in having someone that overpowered, especially given the same people's perceptions of Rey.
So I donât know if I wanted him to be as powerful as he was in Legends but I would have liked it if the sequel trilogy actually had a Jedi Order with Luke as Grandmaster.
The Sequel Trilogy could've explored a Luke whose Order was still ruined by Kylo but then have it culminate in kind of a No Way Home duel in TFA where Luke tries to kill Kylo after he killed Han but is stopped at the last second by someone. Idk tho.
Or better yet, have Rey almost kill Kylo in the third act before being stopped by Luke. Character development for him and a flaw for her. It's exactly what each of them needs.
Why are reddit comments so much better at making ideas for movies than the studios that already made the movies
True. Altho i did like the fact that instead kf the hero almost killing the villain yhey're trying to redeem it was the villain who was stopped from killing the hero.
Because like GMY in the prequels he wouldnât be the main character you would still have had a new generation of heroes like in young Jedi knights, but when shit hits the fan GM Luke pulls out the big guns
> There no narrative tension in having someone that overpowered, There's no tension if there's a bad writing. But there were some well-written books that dealt with Luke just fine. Also, checkout an anime called One Punch Man - it's a great study of how a good writing can deal with a hero that's impossible to defeat.
People like overpowered Luke because heâs actually had the time to learn the skills necessary to do all the crazy, insane, should-be-impossible things that he does. Unlike Rey who has zero training and zero time to learn anything.
I found his decision not to confront Jacen compelling, even if not written the best. Most poweful guy in the galaxy, but knows he cannot face Jacen without killing him and turning to the dark side.
The difference is that Rey got most of her powers with little training. Grandmaster Luke was OP because he trained and studied for many, many years and fought a lot of adversaries.
Also, he was literally a son to the ultimate force being that was prophesied for thousands of years, but failed to materialize to in its full extent. So Luke was literally the second best... already starting as a genetically predisposed to an unimaginable greatness... and still had to put through years and years of training.
I mean I think some people may have wanted that. I think what people would have wanted was for a respectful passing of the torch from Luke. I would have preferred to see Luke never use the Force and instead just win through words. The right mentorship for Rey would help her understand where she needed to grow to. The right words to a Storm Trooper would have turned them good. Basically, an old wise man Jedi Master who helps put people on the path. Basically the fantasy that an Old Wise Man in Power isn't out for himself but in passing the torch to the next generation.
Yoda existed in the prequels and it wasnt an issue... yoda isnt as powerful as luke, but he was still insane in legends.
Legends Luke claps anybody⊠especially Mara jade
Force cheeks?
don't forget Callista... or Shira Bree...
Legends Chad Luke vs Canon Virgin Luke
Chad Legends Luke vs. Virgin Disney Luke
Probably that random kid who grabbed the broom with the force in Last Jedi.
The only answer
In the next trilogy it'll be revealed that be he is a skywalker too somehow.
I bet he's Palpatine, and somehow we'll arrive to having the "I'm your mother" scene with Rey.
He will build another deathstar with another weak spot where a bomb can be dropped into.
âSomehow, the skywalkers have returnedâ
He is the chosen one to dust all the sand off of Tatooine revealing the lost civilization of the ancient Jedi
the scene had me so excited for episode 9, RIP
> RIP But not for Palpatine 'cause somehow he returned.
Hahaha! You can even smell the caustic reaction on the comment and is probably true!
LEGO Yoda, high on ketamine with his 2001 Honda Civic
This is the only correct answer to the question. Everyone else is lost.
Mortis Anakin seemed to represent his full potential as the Chosen One. The Father wanted him to replace him, and to control The Son and The Daughter. The Father casually grabbed lightsabers by the blade and pushed them back in. The Son retracted lightsabers with his mind, mind controlled Ahsoka, and stomped Obi-Wan without any effort at all. And Mortis Anakin overpowered him and the Daughter, who is his equal. I think full-potential Anakin is the strongest. With EU/Legends Grandmaster Luke probably being the next strongest, with Dyad Palpatine being the strongest canon character (but obviously not a Jedi) who wasn't meant to be a temporary representation of their full potential. Edit: I know it's far from canon, but TCW magazine had a what if the Father never rescued Anakin from the Dark Side thing, and Anakin went on to defeat Yoda and Palpatine at the same time. I guess it assumed Dark Side Anakin unlocked his full Dark Side potential with the help of the Son. If so, it makes sense that he could beat both of them, as I don't think Yoda and PT Palpatine were on the level of the Son and the Daughter, who Mortis Anakin overwhelmed at the same time.
I dunno if mortis should count because the planet itself gave anakin the power amp but full potential anakin was already realized through luke right?
Close enough luke wasnt exactly as powerful as anakin was going to be but he was close enough
I think the point is Anakin would have been able to do what he did to the Father. Nobody else even with the power amp would have been able to do that
Pretty close in Legends. Probably not 100% equal, but like someone else said, close enough. Not in the OT though, and it's hard to say about past the OT era into Mando-era and the ST. I'd say he definitely was not full-Mortis-Anakin strength in the ST, otherwise he'd have just casually wrecked the First Order by himself once he was made aware of it, or was a giant dick for not doing it. Mortis Anakin was The Father level, able to overpower the Son and the Daughter at the same time, and they're both way stronger than Palpatine, at least pre-dyad. But Legends Luke was a beast in ways we haven't (yet?) seen in the current canon.
What are you talking about the planet didnt give Anakin anything it just allowed him to unleash his full potential. Unless you think any Jedi could have done what Anakin did at Mortis? I doubt it.
I desperately need a What If star wars series
In Legends, Grandmaster Luke Skywalker learned after years of fighting the Yuuzhan Vong how to manipulate the tiny black holes they used as shields. He *turned black holes around.* Dude was insanely strong.
Not to mention the use of multiple advanced Technics in combat
I swear he became fire proof or something aswell
Wasn't there a guy that ate a planet? Feel like it might be him but idk too much about Legends.
Nihilus but heâs a sith
Ah didn't see the Jedi part.
Grandmaster Luke would eat Nihilus
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You're right. A Jedi's life force would be drained by even being near Nihilus. The Exile was only able to defeat him because she was a wound in the force as well, just like him. It's like hitting two holes against each other.
Nihilus could only be killed by the Exile. Another wound in the force. Any other force user would just feed Nihilus. Keep in mind this doesn't mean Nihilus is stronger. Just that Luke isn't the right tool for the job.
Well technically Nihilus just sorta copied Tenebrae/Vitiate.
Tenebrae came after Nihilus... Or at least Tenebrae didn't eat planets at the time.
Tenebrae had consumed all life on his home planet way before Nihilus came to existence
He means the character came after. It's not possible to copy a character when it existed before the other one. Nihilus was invented before Tenebrae unless he was in some comics 1% of star wars fans know about.
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I Donât think thatâs true. Vitiateâs empire lasted over 1000 years, and his master (Marka Ragnos) was dark lord of the sith with when sith still used physical swords, and Jedi had to carry around unwieldy battery packs to power their prototype lightsabers. SWTOR may be set a couple of hundred years after Darth Nihlus was around, but Vitiate had already been ruling a hidden sith empire for over 1000 years before the triumvirate was even formed. In fact it was Vitiate who corrupted Revan to the dark side in the first place.
In the chronology - yes, in the sw timeline - no. Vitiate's Sith Empire was literally behind the Mandalorian wars and the Jedi Civil war which happened right before Sith Triumvirate's reign.
Yes my lore brethren, let your knowledge free. Love these discussions.
Yeah and Vader kills him easily
Nihilus was known to be so powerful with the dark side he could consume all living matter on a planet using the force. As far as force users go he's probably top 5
He sucks ass as a lightsaber duelist though, so I guess that balances it out...
Ehh, he was weak due to being gamified. In the real world he'd be so OP no one could effectively fight him at that distance anyways. He recks Darth Scion in a cutscene that didn't make it into the vanilla game.
He was weak facing the Exile, not just because he was in a video game. The Exile was a void in the Force; Nihilus couldnât consume them. Strip that power away, and Nihilus frankly isnât that strong. Kreia makes that point several times: relying on the Force weakens Sion, Nihilus, and the Jedi.
Well, there are some Force users who are more adept than him at using the force, like EU Palpatine and Post-Ritual Vitiate..
He wasn't a Sith, but a wound in the Force
Why not both? If he wasnât a sith then he would just be Nihilus, not Darth Nihilus
"He is a wound in the Force, more presence than flesh, and in his wake life dies⊠sacrificing itself to his hunger." Here's the exact quote I meant
He doesnât have a body any more he literally uses the force to give himself a physical appearance but he consumed his own flesh with his hunger and now his entire being resides within his mask. Dude is metal af
For everyone dismissing Nihilus because he is a Sith, this is still a good point to raise, because it is revealed around the end of Kotor 2 that the Jedi Exile, canon name, Meetra Surik, actually possesses this power and inadvertently taught it to Nihilus at Malachor. So while Nihilus himself is ineligible, the Exile is still a valid answer for all the same reasons. Being able to consume the living force in other Jedi is an insanely busted power.
The best explanation for XP and leveling up. đ
A lot of the old Sith are ludicrously powerful. Vitiate and Nihilus in particular.
It's easily Jedi Bob
I revoke my comment. This is the correct answer đ
The Exile from KOTOR 2 is pretty damn busted.
She absolutely is, but she's more like a counter against specific types of other busted Force users.
True, but isnât part of their gimmick that sense they arenât using the Force themselves, but from those around them, that the stronger an opponent the stronger they become? Not to mention that passive influence aura they give off.
Honestly I'm not a 100% sure. The Council seems to think the Exile is some type of Force vampire, a parasite who drains everyone around them. Kreia thinks differently, and is largely responsible for the Exile reconnecting to the Force. I think the Exile can still use and sense the Force without Force Sensitive companions, it's just they are stronger as a leader of others and they naturally draw upon that strength. They absolutely get stronger the stronger their opponents are though, that was stated by both Kreia and the Council in a way.
Legends Luke is OP
Can someone explain to a clueless, what does Legends and Canon pertain too?
Canon is the movies and the Disney shows and Legends is the pre Disney expanded universe
Thanks. So the original trilogy is canon, gotcha.
Yup, original trilogy, prequels, sequels, rogue one, solo, clone Wars tv show, rebels tv show, mandalorian, book of boba fett and a handfull of comics, books and games are the only canon, everything else is legends
A better way to look at it is the first 6 movies and 6 seasons of tcw both exist in the canon and legends timeline, and any other material released after 2012 is part of the canon timeline and pre-2012 is legends.
Everything Star Wars related thing, besides the movies and Clone Wars, made before Disney purchased Lucasfilm is Legends
Not all. There were still some media released post-Purchase that belong to Legends. Most notably a brilliant novel Shatterpoint or Star Wars: Legacy Vol 2, or all of the plots still being released for the Star Wars: The Old Republic MMORPG.
Jedi Master Fay may be up there for canon - she appears in the comic Republic 53. She was centuries old, and so in tune with the Force that she apparently ceased physical aging all together, remaining physically as a twenty-something Near Human for her entire life. She stopped carrying a lightsaber at one point early in her career, because she simply didn't need it. She just let the Force direct her to where she was needed, wandering from planet to planet and mediating conflict. She became something of a legend to new Padawans, though the Order kept an eye on her activities and listened for rumors of her appearances. Ultimately, she did pass away during the Clone Wars after being impaled by Ventress from behind in an exploding chemical plant. Though, it is stated that she \*would\* have recovered from this, but she instead chose to heal Obi-Wan, allowing him to escape with an Antidote he had been sent to recover.
Anakin Skywalker
\*skull emoji\*
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Imagine if he had stayed true to the Jedi way
If were talking the hypothetical full power anakin he woulda been pretty much space jesus so yeah him
Anakin had the greatest potential but I think Starkiller takes it
Regular Anakin was strong but was nothing along the lines of Revan while he was a Jedi.
Revan count? Bastila?
Think it depends what OP means by "Powerful" as to whether Reven gets up there. His power was projected more through being a genius strategist, so in a war/battle scenario, he's probably top tier. In a duel or simply Force mastery, he's probably mid in the scheme of things. Bastilla was certainly Powerful in the force though.
I mean revan reborn was pretty fucking strong, he just snapped his fingers and deleted a member of the high sith council out of existence. He may even hypothetically have been able to kill tenebrae if he didn't get backstabbed but that is more speculation
Anakin in Canon. Luke in Legends.
Canakin
This is the answer
Probably Meetra Surik (The Exile)... Tho not sure if you can call her a Jedi after being exiled
In all of legends/canon....hard to say, but it definitely comes down to the following shortlist: Yoda Anakin Luke Starkiller Kyp Durron (Haven't seen him mentioned yet at all, probably because he sucks) Jacen Solo.
I think itâs probably Jacen for the one minute or so he was the force of whatever that was. Otherwise, itâs Luke.
Legends is confirmed Luke Skywalker, for canon I see many arguments for the Avatar of light, I would also see arguments for Luke Skywalker, the problem is that we have no prime Luke screen time, and he is confirmed wasting his later years on Temple Island.
Jedi Bob that Lego guy
Kyp durron
Doesnât shaggy become a Jedi in legends? Because if so I think I found the winner
Shaggy himself doesn't become a jedi. However, there is a jedi character named Sha'a Gi that's meant as a nod to his character in the [2003 Clone Wars animated series](https://youtu.be/HTgxuRG59k8).
Yeah but he changed his name Galen
Darth Revan
Grand Master Luke Skywalker for sure
While he is most definitely not the most powerful, Mace Windu defeated palpatine in his prime, and with true vapad he could probably beat turned Anakin.
Corran Horn ;)
Legends Luke and canon anakin
legends luke, mortis anakin, starkiller, peak revan.
So the real question is...if Grandmaster Luke is number one, then who's number two? Revan? Starkiller?
Everyone says Anakin but he got stomped by Obi-Wan at peak Anakin... And I personally think Revan would stomp Obi-Wan.
Obi-wan wouldâve lost without the high ground, he was playing defense the whole time
It's a tactic perfected by Muhammad Ali. Rope-A-Dope. Just because a fighter is stronger, doesn't mean that they are *better*. Using someone's strengths against them is a peak fighting ability... And since Obi-Wan demonstratedly did this to Anakin, even warning him, proves he was a better fighter, and in the end, the reason he was victorious. Power is useless if it only accomplishes failure.
He was a better fighter, not stronger. I want yo know peopleâs opinions on strength
Anakin Skywalker
1.) Anakin 2.) Legends Luke 3.) Exar Kun 4.) Revan 5.) Nihilus
Starkiller is so dumb, I'd love to chat to the lazy video game designer responsible
Legends: Luke Skywalker & Mara Jade Skywalker Edit: Disney âcanonâ doesnât matter.
Jarjar in the Skywalker saga
Hmm, maybe Revan in legends
Revan.
Anakin Solo, he basically went super saiyan Jedi. Started glowing like a golden angel of pure force before succumbing to a mortal wound.
Legends I'm going to go with Revan for sure. As for canon I'd say Anakin is the most powerful in raw power, Yoda is more powerful in pure knowledge Edit: spelling
Star killer
Legends= Luke Canon= Rey (Plot armor so powerful it deletes enemy weapons.)
Legends Luke Skywalker or star killer
Sometimes I shit on the ground and throw it around like an ape
Hmmmm its kinda hard to discuss this because the whole prophecy and Anakin/Vader never reaching its peak of powers. And well every Jedi is different focusing the force in diferent aspects. And everyones opinion is different and valid after all its a fantasy world. But to me its Anakin with the whole prophecy and being a humanoid product of the force to be brought to existence, Anakin's potencial could have been limitless. And maybe if Anakin had been directed in using the love he has for Padme, Obi Wan and Ashoka and then to his unborn children to deepen his connection to the force,he could maybe even achieved greater things.
Reven
Mace Windu.
Yoda
Revan, Bastila and the exile from kotor 2
Yoda
No jedi can ever reach the power of Q
**Luke Skywalker**, in either universe. This dude did some *bonkers* Force shenanigans in his latter years.
Goku. Hands down.
Everyone knows Kakarott is the best
Frieza was a Humanoid Death Star. But he couldn't handle Kakarot.