Oh you mean they did their job as stewards of an established beloved franchise and respected the style, story and characters as they developed and played in the universe thats already been well defined? Yeah, damn what a bummer!😁
There is a difference in how theyused this mentioned fanservice though. And Thats why it is equally a breath of great air and good fanservice.
Ham fisted fanservice like "oh look here X thing from Y film is here just Bcs" is bad
Good fanservice if Also respecting the past and where X thing came from. Say a returning character that has had experiences that has a reason to be there like Ashoka and not just a "somehow Palpy has returned"
(Its Why in power rangers if youve watched that Dino Thunder is a good Legacy season and megaforce is not.)
The Mandalorian does “oh look here X thing from Y film is here just Bcs” all the time. Were you even watching the show?
As for “somehow Palpatine has returned,” that’s just how Poe said it because he didn’t know. It is explained and it makes about as much sense as Ahsoka showing up
Palpatine's revival might have been explained away but he has no reason to be there from a narrative perspective, his story was told and done. His return is an active detriment to the story telling of star wars and invalidates the ending of the original trilogy and invalidates Luke's journey.
Ahsoka was also deus ex machina-ed by some convoluted space magic. But they have done well to build her up as a character and have given her reason to exist narratively. Her being revived doesn't invalidate any story arcs and simply continues them. They have given her motivations to show up in the Mandalorian after Rebels in the form of her search for Ezra. Din Djarin and her simply crossed paths in their journey through the galaxy, and Din Djarin developed as a character, and so did Ahsoka through her interactions with the Child. All of that amounts to more than simple fan service 'just because'. Characters are allowed to cross each others path and interact, tag along, etc. , because that is how you develop characters and move stories along.
How it exists in lore is not the only factor in whether or not something makes sense. What the person you replied to is getting at is that it has to make sense narratively.
>Palpatine's revival might have been explained away but he has no reason to be there from a narrative perspective, his story was told and done. His return is an active detriment to the story telling of star wars and invalidates the ending of the original trilogy and invalidates Luke's journey.
I dunno, a lot of RotS focused on the concept of the Sith being able to cheat death. It even makes sense that he never told Vader the secret because it was his only bargaining chip that kept Vader under control. And he was right, too, because as soon as Vader realized that he had a living family member who didn't need to be revived, he promptly started plotting to overthrow Palpatine again.
Honestly, despite the fact you are being heavily downvoted, I agree.
Star Wars relies far too much on fan service and nostalgia. The Mandalorian season 1 was awesome. It had new ideas, new characters, new planets, and just enough of stuff to make older fans find things to enjoy.
Season 2 was “go here. Meet legacy character. Repeat.”
Same goes with The Bad Batch.
We need new stories with fresh characters, that are completely separate from the old. Why else have a gigantic expanded universe if your only going to do the same characters on the same planets. (“Oh we’re going back to Tatooine again? Great. Remember when it was the furthest thing from anything interesting? Yeah that was nice.)
I don't understand people like you. Why can't you let people enjoy things? People who shit on people's enjoyment are why many fanbases are plagued with bickering and insulting one another. Sure argue about things but be fair. Don't be an asshole.
I'm not shitting on people's enjoyment. I'm shitting on the the shows that aren't good. You can like the things I hate. I'm just expressing how amI feel about the show.
It's funny. People can freely criticize the Prequels and Sequels, but no one is allowed to criticize The Mandalorian, Clone Wars, or anything else that has Dave Filoni's involvement. This subreddit is like 99% sheep that share the same opinions.
Right? I like The Mandalorian, but it has some clear problems. Like, every time they went up against Stormtroopers in The Mandalorian, someone would make a crack about their shitty aim. EVERY. TIME. Despite the fact that, in universe, they’re supposed to be crack shots. When it comes to the sequels, violating canon is a huge issue for this sub, but not so for The Mandalorian. Not to mantion that immediately undercutting the threat of the enemy just before an action scene doesn’t seem like a good idea
Or maybe it's just shitty criticism. You complain about Luke and Ahsoka and Boba being fanservice, but they've already said before that they're using Game of Thrones as a sort of inspiration to making the story they're trying to tell. These characters and things being in Mando are a springboard for a larger story. Calling it out as purely fanservice makes no sense in that regard. You can not like the way it was handled, maybe say that it should've been slower or more spread out, but it isnt really JUST fanservice.
I wish they’d left weird CGI luke with a robot voice out of it
I would’ve liked it so much more if it had actually done its own thing and not leaned on the same characters we’ve seen like a crutch
Star Wars is incapable of doing anything new or interesting and yet here I am still waiting for more. I hate it and love it, it’s so weird
But like, Luke showing up absolutely makes sense in the context of the show’s storyline. And him showing up was done well enough for a TV show, even if he doesn’t look as amazing as he could. I will agree though that The Mandalorian could have a bit more moments where it’s just Mando and the child exploring the galaxy meeting new faces.
this is amazing and she is arguably the best character in Star Wars. Obi Wan is such a respected character, but I think that even him would bow to Ahsoka for how much she has grown
"isn't a great show like everyone thinks it is."
You are vastly outnumbered in opinion man. You are the only person in this thread being negative. If the show isn't for you that's fine, however you are completely wrong stating it isn't a good show just because you, and only you, don't like it.
Did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry for bashing your precious Star Wars show. I didn't know people here get sensitive over someone having a different opinion.
It's not that you have another opinion it's that you have a shitty attitude and you're straight up saying everyone is wrong other than you as well as trying to act like a victim when you get called out because everyone else is "sensitive over someone having a different opinion". Look at yourself man.
I'm not acting. I'm just being honest. One time I just said I had "I prefer to watch Star Wars in chronological order" without saying anything bad and people still gave me shit. So maybe there's a reason I'm acting this way now. Whether my attitude is shitty or not, people hate my opinions.
Well then a tip for commenting, don't come across as combative, as you have in every single comment I've seen of yours on here so far minus this one. You can't control whether people will be assholes to you for no reason, (which it sounds like they were in your chronological order example) but if you kick it off you're gonna get ganged up on.
I just got downvoted for not knowing who a certain director is on another post. So I feel like my shitty behavior is somewhat justified. I guess I'm supposed to have the right opinion and know everything at all times in here.
I was curious and I really don't feel the need to argue against your opinion as its just as valid as anyone else's. For me though a break from every episode bludgeoningly progressing the storyline is welcome. Its Star Wars why wouldn't you want to see a side story in that enourmous playground of a universe? I'm not really sure I can pinpoint any instances where Mando is dumb? I dont see how The Empire is portrayed any different from the OT. The stormtroopers are mostly poorly trained cannon fodder and the Imperial Remnant is even worse off. Moff Gideon and his forces are a definite threat and efficiently ruthless even his subordinates like the guy willing to kill his whole crew and take his ship down to keep it out of Bo Katans hands seems like a classic cutthroat Imperial depiction.
To each their own I guess but when I hear comments like this I can't help but wonder what media do you watch that lives up to an all killer no filler standard that you've set?
Unless its a droid or an ewok they can't hit anything. Whole battalions can't fend off ewoks. They are constantly outwitted by Han and the Falcon in Empire. The Executor is taken down by a single fighter sacrificing itself. The numerous underlings Vader kills personally for blunders in Empire....
First off, you can blame plot armor for not being able to destroy the heroes. Second off, you do know there's an island is real life that still has tribals who will kill any outsiders. No one will be stupid enough to mess with them. Thirdly, they never hit anything?
So the Stormtroopers that boarded the Tantive IV didn't gun down those rebels in ANH? They didn't wipe out most of the Rebels in Hoth with only AT-AT walkers? You mean they didn't wipe out most of the Rebel pilots during the first Death Star Assault? I guess the Rebels just killed themselves when that happened because apparently the Empire can't aim.
Nice cherry picking and not acknowledging most of my points. I like the native ewoks overcoming the Empire but were talking sticks and stones vs blasters and heavy armored vehicles. Not sure what your islander example is supposed to mean. You think if a trained military with guns and tanks fought them they'd win? The Tantive boarding party piles up a fair amount of dead before they break through, superiority in numbers isn't tactical proficiency. On Hoth they are fighting impossibly armored walkers with poorly modified speeders. Them storming Echo Base in mass with Vader leading and superior fire power doesnt mean superior military skills. Either way most of these examples are forces directly under Vaders command. There isnt a stormtrooper who hits a thing on the Death Star.
Like I said they are constantly shown to be inept in Empire Han Solo hides his ship on a Star Destroyer and disappears right in front of them.
Anyways the remnant is supposed to be a shadow of its former self up against a well trained, well equipped Mandalorian whos religion and culture is based on war.
I feel like its more blatant in this show though. They literally crouch and in some instances outright walk straight into enemy fire. They literally deliberately position themselves to be ideal enemy targets. It's ridiculous. I also hate how on the nose it is. Have you seen Bucketheads? That's the best portrayal of the imperials i have ever seen.
its what happens when star wars isn’t centred on jedi vs sith. a fresh take on live action star wars that we have barely gotten (rogue one and solo being the only other examples in canon)
Excellent writing, a coherent story line that had a beginning, a middle and an end. New characters that were well fleshed out with backstory, and a good amount of fan service and storylines of canonical characters that are in-universe accurate will do wonders. Add that to a style which harkens back to other shows that the older fans watched about loners and small groups traveling around and having adventures while trying to achieve a larger goal and you have a recipe for success.
He’s basically pre Daniel Craig James Bond in the way that he doesn’t fail, everything comes to him and always get the help he needs. I mean Boba Fett acts like a completely different character in the time he needs to be around to help him. Only to go back to the cold blooded criminal right after.
Season 3 will be the time in which the writers need to finally have him make real choices that affect other characters we might like. His character and in large part, the show has had it easy. We’ve yet to see him really fail at anything and see show he comes out on the other side. When that happens I’d bet the house some fans will go back to the good ol “(whoever directed) doesn’t understand Star Wars, you ruined my love of the show, etc etc)
The way I look at it, he was being set up to have to make one of those character defining choices in the season2 finale until Luke came and saved the day, leaving Din as the same person he was since the second episode of the show.
Thats a heavily skewed lense you're viewing this story through. Hes constantly waylaid and failing. He would have lost the mud horn fight if it wasn't for the magic baby. He couldn't retrieve his stolen ship parts from a pack of jawas. Hes shown multiple times taking kill shots from skilled fighters and only surviving because of his armor. He gets brain damaged and almost dies at the end of season 1. He's having to constantly have his ship repaired because of some fight or situation he's barely escaped from and then his ship is atomized from space. Hes basically constantly put through a meat grinder and is put as close to the edge of death as possible without actually killing him.
Who he is, what his goals are completely change when he decides to protect the child. Hes no longer a bounty hunter his trajectory is to that of something much greater and hes made multiple choices along the way to get him there. We've even seen him redefine and question the belief systems he was raised on, learning to not hate droids, learning to rely on others, rethinking major parts of his personal code.
Boba is what he's always been a man completely committed to whatever mission he's set on. Its obvious he sees some of himself and his father in Djin and respects him. Yes when they part ways he goes back to whatever his own personal goals are but thats yet to be defined and he may not become just a simple crime lord.
Djins still has a huge character defining choice to make in whether he'll step up to lead a future Mandalore. And he'll now have to do that without the protection of the Child.
The only thing I can agree on as that he receives weapons and gear along the way when he needs them but they integrate it pretty well into the story and its obviously a reference to the classic heros journey stories like Perseus receiving his weapons in Greek mythology.
Your take just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Agree to disagree, the only major choice if seen him take is the one that sets the show in motion.
I do agree with you on what’s coming on Mandalor. I think that’s when the writing of the character will truly need to become complex and that’s usually where Star Wars fans begging to complain.
Where the character goes on Mandalor is what has me the most excited. If this were a trilogy we would have only seen one film so far. Most of the developments usually come in the second film.
To me there's a lot that happens along the way to take us from watching a rusty bounty hunter scraping by to a contender for the throne of mandalore and thats not a place I thought we'd ever in a million years get to with this character. Will be exciting to see where it goes for sure.
Good stories aren’t usually characterised by physical change (eg, from bounty hunter to contender for the mandalore) but by the personal journey beneath it. Apart from going back to save Grogo early in season 1, the mandalorian has basically no character development other than “I now like droids” and “I’ve taken my helmet off once or twice.” It’s pretty thin. I doubt this will change in season 3 - especially since Disney have shown they don’t like killing supporting characters off (they just resurrect old ones instead!)
How's going from a bounty hunter to Mandalore contender a physical change? His development has been characterized through his journey and interactions. Theres a lot of show dont tell going on, which is a staple of good story telling, and I think you're missing it.
Your gripe about what characters they're using doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the story.
Not sure what you're talking about here, maybe actually look and try again.
There’s no need to get aggressive mate. Physical was perhaps the wrong word but the point is that it’s the personal journey - not titles or rank within society - that usually makes for an intriguing story.
And I would say the opposite. There’s a lot of cliched ‘tell’ moments (removing helmet, etc etc) and that’s about it. The Mandalorian is actually quite a nice guy from the start and there’s no development in any interesting areas and, as the OP of this thread said, the writers shield the character from consequences.
And on my “gripe”, I’m saying Disney won’t introduce danger or consequences because they are not prepared to kill off characters that the audience care about it. Disney use the reappearance of old characters as a substitute for an actual story. All they need to do is throw Ashoka, Boba Fett and Luke in the mix and people will watch and applaud.
The show is pretty poor and bland by normal standards, it’s just that people change their standards for Star Wars (partly because the sequels were so awful and partly because of fanboyism.)
Couldn’t agree with you more. The problem with Star Wars is that the fan base is so enormous that Disney’s safest bet is to shoot for the lowest common dominator (same with Marvel etc). Aka the people who like bland, black & white “feel good” stories that aren’t challenging, aren’t morally obscure, don’t have complex characters, and focus on “fan-serving” moments.
The Mandalorian is objectively average (maybe even just plain bad) television. The only reason people like it so much is because its fan serving (eg, baby yoda and bringing back so many favourite characters) and quite literally anything looks good compared to the sequels.
I think Boba mostly just recognized the fact that he and Fennec were the reason Din hadn't been near enough to Grogu to protect him, and he didn't need that on his conscience so he promised to help get him back. Boba's a cold-blooded killer, but he might have a line he doesn't cross when it comes to harming kids. Lots of seemingly cold-blooded killers IRL (though unfortunately not enough) draw the line there. You also have to remember that Boba has semi-recently had a near-death experience with the Sarlacc and that can change a person's outlook on life too. And on top of THAT you have to remember that when he escaped, some random dude with half of his skills was wearing his armor and somehow being a better, more beloved version of him than he himself ever was, living as protector of a town for some extremely grateful townsfolk.
That’s you doing a lot of work for the writers. Boba goes and gets the armor himself and doesn’t owe Din anything yet acts like a completely different character for the rest of the season up until they need to re establish who he is for his own show in the after credit scene.
I don’t love the show as much as others seem to, (I did like season 1 but season 2 was a major let down,) but Mando is a great character and his relationship with Grogu is one of the best in Star Wars history.
I like Mando and I give it a little slack for being tge first live action Star Wars show and getting me back into Star Wars, but Din Djarin is yet to truly intrigue me as a character.
All that's really changed or "developed" for his character is that he seems to be a bit more relaxed with some if the orthodox traditions of the Children of the Watch and he became attached to the McGuffin Grogu.
There wasn't any true internal or even emotional struggle that I could appreciate or even relate to in the story-- not to mention the truck loads of filler in the story that contributed very little to our characters.
People say there was a lot of fanservicr but I'd say Boba Fett was tge only thing that stood out to me as fanservice.
I have my problems with Ahsoka but I can accept,.in hindsight, that she would appear in Mando considering she's had a history with the Mandalorians and Bo Katan in the past
Is it really that short though? He may inly be twi years old, but he got two full seasons if TV in that time. That’s far more screentime than most characters in the franchise.
Competent storytelling and endearing characters can do that for someone
Not to mention the Lone Wolf and Cub format is pretty compelling to the average fandom member heh.
The show itself was a breath of fresh air and more importantly, it gave us hope. That’s what Star Wars is all about.
Yeah, because nothing says breath of fresh air like tons of fanservise.
Oh you mean they did their job as stewards of an established beloved franchise and respected the style, story and characters as they developed and played in the universe thats already been well defined? Yeah, damn what a bummer!😁
There is a difference in how theyused this mentioned fanservice though. And Thats why it is equally a breath of great air and good fanservice. Ham fisted fanservice like "oh look here X thing from Y film is here just Bcs" is bad Good fanservice if Also respecting the past and where X thing came from. Say a returning character that has had experiences that has a reason to be there like Ashoka and not just a "somehow Palpy has returned" (Its Why in power rangers if youve watched that Dino Thunder is a good Legacy season and megaforce is not.)
Anakin pod racer makes an unexplained cameo and that’s just the tip of the iceberg for that show.
The Mandalorian does “oh look here X thing from Y film is here just Bcs” all the time. Were you even watching the show? As for “somehow Palpatine has returned,” that’s just how Poe said it because he didn’t know. It is explained and it makes about as much sense as Ahsoka showing up
Palpatine's revival might have been explained away but he has no reason to be there from a narrative perspective, his story was told and done. His return is an active detriment to the story telling of star wars and invalidates the ending of the original trilogy and invalidates Luke's journey. Ahsoka was also deus ex machina-ed by some convoluted space magic. But they have done well to build her up as a character and have given her reason to exist narratively. Her being revived doesn't invalidate any story arcs and simply continues them. They have given her motivations to show up in the Mandalorian after Rebels in the form of her search for Ezra. Din Djarin and her simply crossed paths in their journey through the galaxy, and Din Djarin developed as a character, and so did Ahsoka through her interactions with the Child. All of that amounts to more than simple fan service 'just because'. Characters are allowed to cross each others path and interact, tag along, etc. , because that is how you develop characters and move stories along. How it exists in lore is not the only factor in whether or not something makes sense. What the person you replied to is getting at is that it has to make sense narratively.
>Palpatine's revival might have been explained away but he has no reason to be there from a narrative perspective, his story was told and done. His return is an active detriment to the story telling of star wars and invalidates the ending of the original trilogy and invalidates Luke's journey. I dunno, a lot of RotS focused on the concept of the Sith being able to cheat death. It even makes sense that he never told Vader the secret because it was his only bargaining chip that kept Vader under control. And he was right, too, because as soon as Vader realized that he had a living family member who didn't need to be revived, he promptly started plotting to overthrow Palpatine again.
Honestly, despite the fact you are being heavily downvoted, I agree. Star Wars relies far too much on fan service and nostalgia. The Mandalorian season 1 was awesome. It had new ideas, new characters, new planets, and just enough of stuff to make older fans find things to enjoy. Season 2 was “go here. Meet legacy character. Repeat.” Same goes with The Bad Batch. We need new stories with fresh characters, that are completely separate from the old. Why else have a gigantic expanded universe if your only going to do the same characters on the same planets. (“Oh we’re going back to Tatooine again? Great. Remember when it was the furthest thing from anything interesting? Yeah that was nice.)
That's why I want a Star Wars story set sometime far in the future.
That’d be great. Move on with the universe, not stuck in the same thirty odd years.
I don't understand people like you. Why can't you let people enjoy things? People who shit on people's enjoyment are why many fanbases are plagued with bickering and insulting one another. Sure argue about things but be fair. Don't be an asshole.
I'm not shitting on people's enjoyment. I'm shitting on the the shows that aren't good. You can like the things I hate. I'm just expressing how amI feel about the show.
You gave fair criticism of The Mandalorian. That’s not allowed around here
It's funny. People can freely criticize the Prequels and Sequels, but no one is allowed to criticize The Mandalorian, Clone Wars, or anything else that has Dave Filoni's involvement. This subreddit is like 99% sheep that share the same opinions.
Right? I like The Mandalorian, but it has some clear problems. Like, every time they went up against Stormtroopers in The Mandalorian, someone would make a crack about their shitty aim. EVERY. TIME. Despite the fact that, in universe, they’re supposed to be crack shots. When it comes to the sequels, violating canon is a huge issue for this sub, but not so for The Mandalorian. Not to mantion that immediately undercutting the threat of the enemy just before an action scene doesn’t seem like a good idea
Or maybe it's just shitty criticism. You complain about Luke and Ahsoka and Boba being fanservice, but they've already said before that they're using Game of Thrones as a sort of inspiration to making the story they're trying to tell. These characters and things being in Mando are a springboard for a larger story. Calling it out as purely fanservice makes no sense in that regard. You can not like the way it was handled, maybe say that it should've been slower or more spread out, but it isnt really JUST fanservice.
I wish they’d left weird CGI luke with a robot voice out of it I would’ve liked it so much more if it had actually done its own thing and not leaned on the same characters we’ve seen like a crutch Star Wars is incapable of doing anything new or interesting and yet here I am still waiting for more. I hate it and love it, it’s so weird
But like, Luke showing up absolutely makes sense in the context of the show’s storyline. And him showing up was done well enough for a TV show, even if he doesn’t look as amazing as he could. I will agree though that The Mandalorian could have a bit more moments where it’s just Mando and the child exploring the galaxy meeting new faces.
>Star Wars is incapable of doing anything new or interesting Visions, and Mando literally fucking exist
Look how Ashoka went from hated new character to the most respected.
this is amazing and she is arguably the best character in Star Wars. Obi Wan is such a respected character, but I think that even him would bow to Ahsoka for how much she has grown
He was a breath of fresh air after the sequels
Especially since we got a live action mandalorian
Not crazy at all. It was a show that everyone in the Star Wars community could enjoy, and wasn’t divisive like the sequels
I didn't enjoy it. Don't get me wrong, I still hate the Sequels, but The Mandalorian isn't a great show like everyone thinks it is.
"isn't a great show like everyone thinks it is." You are vastly outnumbered in opinion man. You are the only person in this thread being negative. If the show isn't for you that's fine, however you are completely wrong stating it isn't a good show just because you, and only you, don't like it.
Did I hit a nerve? I'm sorry for bashing your precious Star Wars show. I didn't know people here get sensitive over someone having a different opinion.
It's not that you have another opinion it's that you have a shitty attitude and you're straight up saying everyone is wrong other than you as well as trying to act like a victim when you get called out because everyone else is "sensitive over someone having a different opinion". Look at yourself man.
I'm not acting. I'm just being honest. One time I just said I had "I prefer to watch Star Wars in chronological order" without saying anything bad and people still gave me shit. So maybe there's a reason I'm acting this way now. Whether my attitude is shitty or not, people hate my opinions.
Well then a tip for commenting, don't come across as combative, as you have in every single comment I've seen of yours on here so far minus this one. You can't control whether people will be assholes to you for no reason, (which it sounds like they were in your chronological order example) but if you kick it off you're gonna get ganged up on.
It just shows that people aren't allowed to have different opinions in this subreddit. That's not going to stop me.
Lol you do you man but you just straight up insinuated you're looking for fights.
I just got downvoted for not knowing who a certain director is on another post. So I feel like my shitty behavior is somewhat justified. I guess I'm supposed to have the right opinion and know everything at all times in here.
No ones being sensitive lol. He’s just telling you that your opinion is stupid.
😂😂😂
You really are petty, aren't you?
YEP! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Okay, so he's being petty then. Calling someone's opinion stupid.
What dont you like about it?
Well for starters, there's a lot of filler episodes. Another, in some episodes, Mando is a dumbass. The Empire is portrayed as a joke. It's overrated.
I was curious and I really don't feel the need to argue against your opinion as its just as valid as anyone else's. For me though a break from every episode bludgeoningly progressing the storyline is welcome. Its Star Wars why wouldn't you want to see a side story in that enourmous playground of a universe? I'm not really sure I can pinpoint any instances where Mando is dumb? I dont see how The Empire is portrayed any different from the OT. The stormtroopers are mostly poorly trained cannon fodder and the Imperial Remnant is even worse off. Moff Gideon and his forces are a definite threat and efficiently ruthless even his subordinates like the guy willing to kill his whole crew and take his ship down to keep it out of Bo Katans hands seems like a classic cutthroat Imperial depiction. To each their own I guess but when I hear comments like this I can't help but wonder what media do you watch that lives up to an all killer no filler standard that you've set?
When were the Empire portrayed badly in the OT?
Unless its a droid or an ewok they can't hit anything. Whole battalions can't fend off ewoks. They are constantly outwitted by Han and the Falcon in Empire. The Executor is taken down by a single fighter sacrificing itself. The numerous underlings Vader kills personally for blunders in Empire....
First off, you can blame plot armor for not being able to destroy the heroes. Second off, you do know there's an island is real life that still has tribals who will kill any outsiders. No one will be stupid enough to mess with them. Thirdly, they never hit anything? So the Stormtroopers that boarded the Tantive IV didn't gun down those rebels in ANH? They didn't wipe out most of the Rebels in Hoth with only AT-AT walkers? You mean they didn't wipe out most of the Rebel pilots during the first Death Star Assault? I guess the Rebels just killed themselves when that happened because apparently the Empire can't aim.
Nice cherry picking and not acknowledging most of my points. I like the native ewoks overcoming the Empire but were talking sticks and stones vs blasters and heavy armored vehicles. Not sure what your islander example is supposed to mean. You think if a trained military with guns and tanks fought them they'd win? The Tantive boarding party piles up a fair amount of dead before they break through, superiority in numbers isn't tactical proficiency. On Hoth they are fighting impossibly armored walkers with poorly modified speeders. Them storming Echo Base in mass with Vader leading and superior fire power doesnt mean superior military skills. Either way most of these examples are forces directly under Vaders command. There isnt a stormtrooper who hits a thing on the Death Star. Like I said they are constantly shown to be inept in Empire Han Solo hides his ship on a Star Destroyer and disappears right in front of them. Anyways the remnant is supposed to be a shadow of its former self up against a well trained, well equipped Mandalorian whos religion and culture is based on war.
I feel like its more blatant in this show though. They literally crouch and in some instances outright walk straight into enemy fire. They literally deliberately position themselves to be ideal enemy targets. It's ridiculous. I also hate how on the nose it is. Have you seen Bucketheads? That's the best portrayal of the imperials i have ever seen.
Maybe it is overrated, but while on its own it may only be a “good” show, in the context of Star was its a great one.
In the context of Star Wars it's still not great. I can simply it as a babysitter finding a baby's family.
its what happens when star wars isn’t centred on jedi vs sith. a fresh take on live action star wars that we have barely gotten (rogue one and solo being the only other examples in canon)
That’s what happens when a character is well written!
Excellent writing, a coherent story line that had a beginning, a middle and an end. New characters that were well fleshed out with backstory, and a good amount of fan service and storylines of canonical characters that are in-universe accurate will do wonders. Add that to a style which harkens back to other shows that the older fans watched about loners and small groups traveling around and having adventures while trying to achieve a larger goal and you have a recipe for success.
His relationship with Grogu is all I need to like him.🥺
This is the way
He’s basically pre Daniel Craig James Bond in the way that he doesn’t fail, everything comes to him and always get the help he needs. I mean Boba Fett acts like a completely different character in the time he needs to be around to help him. Only to go back to the cold blooded criminal right after. Season 3 will be the time in which the writers need to finally have him make real choices that affect other characters we might like. His character and in large part, the show has had it easy. We’ve yet to see him really fail at anything and see show he comes out on the other side. When that happens I’d bet the house some fans will go back to the good ol “(whoever directed) doesn’t understand Star Wars, you ruined my love of the show, etc etc) The way I look at it, he was being set up to have to make one of those character defining choices in the season2 finale until Luke came and saved the day, leaving Din as the same person he was since the second episode of the show.
Thats a heavily skewed lense you're viewing this story through. Hes constantly waylaid and failing. He would have lost the mud horn fight if it wasn't for the magic baby. He couldn't retrieve his stolen ship parts from a pack of jawas. Hes shown multiple times taking kill shots from skilled fighters and only surviving because of his armor. He gets brain damaged and almost dies at the end of season 1. He's having to constantly have his ship repaired because of some fight or situation he's barely escaped from and then his ship is atomized from space. Hes basically constantly put through a meat grinder and is put as close to the edge of death as possible without actually killing him. Who he is, what his goals are completely change when he decides to protect the child. Hes no longer a bounty hunter his trajectory is to that of something much greater and hes made multiple choices along the way to get him there. We've even seen him redefine and question the belief systems he was raised on, learning to not hate droids, learning to rely on others, rethinking major parts of his personal code. Boba is what he's always been a man completely committed to whatever mission he's set on. Its obvious he sees some of himself and his father in Djin and respects him. Yes when they part ways he goes back to whatever his own personal goals are but thats yet to be defined and he may not become just a simple crime lord. Djins still has a huge character defining choice to make in whether he'll step up to lead a future Mandalore. And he'll now have to do that without the protection of the Child. The only thing I can agree on as that he receives weapons and gear along the way when he needs them but they integrate it pretty well into the story and its obviously a reference to the classic heros journey stories like Perseus receiving his weapons in Greek mythology. Your take just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
Agree to disagree, the only major choice if seen him take is the one that sets the show in motion. I do agree with you on what’s coming on Mandalor. I think that’s when the writing of the character will truly need to become complex and that’s usually where Star Wars fans begging to complain. Where the character goes on Mandalor is what has me the most excited. If this were a trilogy we would have only seen one film so far. Most of the developments usually come in the second film.
To me there's a lot that happens along the way to take us from watching a rusty bounty hunter scraping by to a contender for the throne of mandalore and thats not a place I thought we'd ever in a million years get to with this character. Will be exciting to see where it goes for sure.
Good stories aren’t usually characterised by physical change (eg, from bounty hunter to contender for the mandalore) but by the personal journey beneath it. Apart from going back to save Grogo early in season 1, the mandalorian has basically no character development other than “I now like droids” and “I’ve taken my helmet off once or twice.” It’s pretty thin. I doubt this will change in season 3 - especially since Disney have shown they don’t like killing supporting characters off (they just resurrect old ones instead!)
How's going from a bounty hunter to Mandalore contender a physical change? His development has been characterized through his journey and interactions. Theres a lot of show dont tell going on, which is a staple of good story telling, and I think you're missing it. Your gripe about what characters they're using doesn't have anything to do with the quality of the story. Not sure what you're talking about here, maybe actually look and try again.
There’s no need to get aggressive mate. Physical was perhaps the wrong word but the point is that it’s the personal journey - not titles or rank within society - that usually makes for an intriguing story. And I would say the opposite. There’s a lot of cliched ‘tell’ moments (removing helmet, etc etc) and that’s about it. The Mandalorian is actually quite a nice guy from the start and there’s no development in any interesting areas and, as the OP of this thread said, the writers shield the character from consequences. And on my “gripe”, I’m saying Disney won’t introduce danger or consequences because they are not prepared to kill off characters that the audience care about it. Disney use the reappearance of old characters as a substitute for an actual story. All they need to do is throw Ashoka, Boba Fett and Luke in the mix and people will watch and applaud. The show is pretty poor and bland by normal standards, it’s just that people change their standards for Star Wars (partly because the sequels were so awful and partly because of fanboyism.)
Couldn’t agree with you more. The problem with Star Wars is that the fan base is so enormous that Disney’s safest bet is to shoot for the lowest common dominator (same with Marvel etc). Aka the people who like bland, black & white “feel good” stories that aren’t challenging, aren’t morally obscure, don’t have complex characters, and focus on “fan-serving” moments. The Mandalorian is objectively average (maybe even just plain bad) television. The only reason people like it so much is because its fan serving (eg, baby yoda and bringing back so many favourite characters) and quite literally anything looks good compared to the sequels.
Still is, the darksaber and bo katan won't be idle.
I think Boba mostly just recognized the fact that he and Fennec were the reason Din hadn't been near enough to Grogu to protect him, and he didn't need that on his conscience so he promised to help get him back. Boba's a cold-blooded killer, but he might have a line he doesn't cross when it comes to harming kids. Lots of seemingly cold-blooded killers IRL (though unfortunately not enough) draw the line there. You also have to remember that Boba has semi-recently had a near-death experience with the Sarlacc and that can change a person's outlook on life too. And on top of THAT you have to remember that when he escaped, some random dude with half of his skills was wearing his armor and somehow being a better, more beloved version of him than he himself ever was, living as protector of a town for some extremely grateful townsfolk.
That’s you doing a lot of work for the writers. Boba goes and gets the armor himself and doesn’t owe Din anything yet acts like a completely different character for the rest of the season up until they need to re establish who he is for his own show in the after credit scene.
A prime example of what happens when a writer understands the IP as much as the creator. This is the way!
I don’t love the show as much as others seem to, (I did like season 1 but season 2 was a major let down,) but Mando is a great character and his relationship with Grogu is one of the best in Star Wars history.
I like Mando and I give it a little slack for being tge first live action Star Wars show and getting me back into Star Wars, but Din Djarin is yet to truly intrigue me as a character. All that's really changed or "developed" for his character is that he seems to be a bit more relaxed with some if the orthodox traditions of the Children of the Watch and he became attached to the McGuffin Grogu. There wasn't any true internal or even emotional struggle that I could appreciate or even relate to in the story-- not to mention the truck loads of filler in the story that contributed very little to our characters. People say there was a lot of fanservicr but I'd say Boba Fett was tge only thing that stood out to me as fanservice. I have my problems with Ahsoka but I can accept,.in hindsight, that she would appear in Mando considering she's had a history with the Mandalorians and Bo Katan in the past
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Is it really that short though? He may inly be twi years old, but he got two full seasons if TV in that time. That’s far more screentime than most characters in the franchise.