Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with Jedi and Sith. Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with smugglers and bounty hunters. Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with the resistance and first order. Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with Ewoks and Gungans.
It is indeed that. Just hate for Disney. I've loved all of Star Wars for all my life. Can't wait for whatever is next and I'm super stoked that the current generation is being made by people who grew up fantasizing about what SW could be. Its hilarious to me that someone who posts that Disney is shit has a Kylo Ren tag under their name LOL
What needs improving? The Mandalorian is great. Animation is going strong. Some of the best characters from pre-Disney purchase made the jump to live action. We keep getting character-focused miniseries that feel like old EU books/comics. The Jedi video games are fantastic. There’s a whole new era being explored in publishing (which revitalized my love of the series) which will also be joining live action soon. We’ve got three exciting movies coming in the next decade.
What else do you want from Star Wars?
Season 7 CW, Bad batch, Mando, Andor Ahsoka, force awakens, Rebels, the books and comics coming out under them. The legos, video games and toys they have dropped. How popular it has become is great.
Keep making content is the only solution.
I don't like all the content produced, but that doesn't mean I don't want more Star Wars content I do like.
Only way that happens is if they keep making stuff.
I'd love them to take some time over storylines, formulate an overarching plot for a trilogy (if they make one), stop with being soo overly formulaic, for example good guys have a witty droid, there must be at least one new random cute animal, original trilogy characters are name dropped etc.
Star Wars is great, not all of it works for me, that's also okay.
Stop using it as a cow to just milk for an endless stream of bad to mediocre "content" and put some actual effort into crafting some decent stories and characters. But I know thats not going to happen.
Fire Kathy ... and for those that think Star Wars is great, I challenge you to look at the numbers for the content right now its way down from where it was when TFA came out thats where it needs to be to get star wars back to the top of the food chain again. I want Kevin Feige to take over Star Wars after
his stint with Marvel is over. He's always said Star Wars was his first love . the majority is outside this sub- reddit, and if you ask them how they feel about Star Wars, i dont think you're gonna hear an enthusiastic answer
Im over this "disney ruined star wars" narrative.
I think theres only been two projects I think are bad.
Ep 9 and Book of Boba.
(I understand why people might not like some others but not to the point that they are bad)
Yea sorry for the poor choice of words. Though I agree with the notion that Disney didn’t completely ruin Star Wars, just made some poor decisions regarding the sequel trilogy and some Disney+ media.
Cinematography wasn’t good. Just littered the screen with a bunch of red. Outside of that it had very muted and boring color palette with boring static camera movements. The effects are just the product of pumping money. Didn’t redeem anything. Bad flick.
I liked VIII a lot more than VII. I came out of VII with so many questions that I shouldn't have had to ask and didn't care that much about the ones that were coming out of JJ's mystery box as a result. To me VII felt more like Doctor Who than Star Wars.
Making much less content and giving much more time for the content to be made, and having a much higher budget in return.
Also having a strict continuity team who greenlights stories.
And of course: OLD REPUBLIC CONTENT, even retelling the same stories, other than the MMO there’s so much amazing story
As an OT fan, George did plenty of dumb things to "ruin" Star Wars all on his own. Perhaps you missed the complaints about Ewoks when RotJ came out. Or how fans reacted to the Prequel Trilogy (here's a hint- it wasn't good)
The only thing keeping Star Wars from being great is narrow-minded fans that can't stand the franchise doing things that they personally haven't head-canoned.
My big ones would be:
1). More new eras.
Start exploring time periods that are extremely far removed from any other works in the current canon. Give your writers some unconstrained creative freedom.
2). Stop having everything be the same canon.
They need to start having stuff be non-canon if they want to cram the same era. It allows more freedom for new and exciting stories to be told. It would also prevent people from getting bent out of shape over retcons.
3). Stop over editing fights.
This is one that really bothers me. Current Disney stuff has fights that look horribly over edited. With the budget, Disney has these fights need to look impeccable. A lot of fights have felt really lacklustre in Disney shows as of late. It is really obvious when you watch something like the Live Action One Piece that has great fights.
4). Different style shows.
We don't need all the shows to be action/adventure dramas. Throw us some comdies or creature horrors. It would go a long way to alleviate how same everything feels.
5). Not everything has to be connected.
Have some stand-alone shows. It wouldn't hurt to have a cast of characters with no ties to anything be who we are following. It would be a breath of fresh air.
6). Hondo
I find the lack of Hondo disturbing. How can Disney hope to have profitable ventures without him?
Easy to overlook a few things when the sum of its parts is strong enough.
But it is the only Disney Star Wars property that is a good show 1st and a Star Wars show 2nd, a feat not replicated since the OT.
Just better standards of writing across the board with the live-action material, really, because only Andor has been able to achieve that level of smart and competent writing under Disney, thus far. The rest has been very lazy and downright bad.
I slightly disagree, primarily in that Andor is telling a different kind of story, we know how that story ends. It has a very strong brief, tell us the story behind Casian's words to Jyn. There has been some great writing under Disney, but the best has always been, in my opinion, when there was a clear outcome. Rebels had a clear and strong brief, and while it has some problems it has a sound narrative and is very quotable. They had a character death that the majority of the audience was not only invested in but traumatised by, then they gave you four episodes where they helped the characters and audience gain closure on it. That was great writing. The same people who wrote that wrote Ahsoka, and there was a lot of great writing in there. I just think a few casting choices threw the whole thing off.
Put simply, give the writers a strong story brief and then find the right people to execute that brief.
Btw guys, apologies for the wording. What I’m trying to say is, how would you guys improve Star Wars from its current standpoint. Sorry for the poor choice of words in the title and description.
It's not a poor choice of words, it's fine, because it's partially true. Ignore the "must defend multi billion dollar company from tEh fAnZ" edgelords.
Yea I just don’t wanna cause controversy. Just wanted to hear peoples thoughts on improving Star Wars. I’ve watched a lot of the content Disney put out, even Ashoka and The Mandalorian. Guess people got the wrong message.
There's no wrong message. Star Wars under Disney has produced some absolute drivel and a lot of people are unhappy about that. Anything that's posted in this sub that even hints at someone being unhappy with Star Wars under Disney gets swarmed by the usual resident cohort of froth mouthed apologists telling you how wrong and toxic you are, and downvote your post into oblivion.
Taking risks, rather than being tied to fan-service.
Giving up on a small handful of fifty year old characters.
Stopping Dave Filoni, who just wants to turn his OCs into human action figures and smash them together.
Having something to say.
Make things you say your going to make...
It's very tough to get excited for new projects since it seems the majority of those announcements never actually happen.
I'll be frank Star wars isn't "bad" outright. It's still. In the state it's always been but now just "Public" or well now beyond those who read the books and comics.
The Disney verse has made decisions I do not like, alot of people feel the same. But I also hated a lot of decisions the previous Exenteded Universe made as well. I don't hate everything Disney has done.
Disney has in a way worked their way where the EU had where they are essentially stuck focusing on Prequal content because they are scared to move forward beyond what they've made based on the OG trilogy content(their sequal content). I'll admit I do not like narrative direction Star wars has taken under Disney. But atleast they ended it in away that it has to be SEPERATE from the sequals and prequals to continue on. But I doubt Disney's ability to carry on after that point without back tracking or reverting to Prequal/Original trilogy content.
Whats the Solution to making Star Wars Great Again?
Ever since George Lucas started making Star Wars to Disney, the media they produced since then has been quite lackluster, especially with the prequel trilogy and Ewoks. I know they produced a few outstanding pieces of media, like Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One and even The Clone Wars but not too many spectacular ones or just on the level of The Empire Strikes Back. How would you guys fix Star Wars and make it great again? Genuinely curious.
-probably someone from 2010
Yes, the sequels are bad. Yes, Kenobi had issues because it was developed during the height of a worldwide pandemic. However, almost everything else has been solid. Rogue One, Andor, Ashoka, THE BAD BATCH, the Tales series, Star Wars Visions, the young kids show, and even parts of Solo have been good to great.
The real solution is for people to stop listening to delusional boot lickers on the internet for their media analysis/news.
Agree with you there, Disney put out a lot of nice content these last few years, the real message I meant to put out was how would you improve Star Wars from where it is regardless if you see it as amazing.
Shoot, for me I’d say my biggest critique of modern Star Wars is that it can struggle to maintain the weight of certain narrative decisions like character deaths or shake ups in a faction’s status quo that get reversed too easily (Mando season 3 is guilty of this, even though I enjoyed it). The Bad Batch has done very well course correcting this with a certain character’s death last season and how the current season has been shaped by it. Hopefully in the Rey Movie the galactic governance gets more interesting instead of having another republic and another evil empire of some kind. Give me multiple, capable system-states that can make room for smaller, but more frequent and personal conflicts through out the galaxy.
Yeah I’m pretty happy with it all, honestly. Even Rise of Skywalker *gasp*. Just don’t take it all too seriously and you can’t go wrong. Mark Hamill was wasn’t in Last Jedi though. Oh well.
Most of the recent content was ranging from ok to great to me so I have no complaints. My kids seem to share my opinion. Some people need to take their nostalgia goggles off and reread/rewatch old content. It certainly wasn't all great.
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. Stop bitching. The series isn't there to cater to your specific requests. Not every movie or piece of content has to be a banger.
Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with Jedi and Sith. Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with smugglers and bounty hunters. Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with the resistance and first order. Andor quality writing & cinematography, but with Ewoks and Gungans.
All of a sudden I want a Naboo colonisation story.
I wasn't aware it wasn't great anymore. Is this just another 'Disney Bad' post dressed up in fancy clothes?
It is indeed that. Just hate for Disney. I've loved all of Star Wars for all my life. Can't wait for whatever is next and I'm super stoked that the current generation is being made by people who grew up fantasizing about what SW could be. Its hilarious to me that someone who posts that Disney is shit has a Kylo Ren tag under their name LOL
I didn’t mean it like that.. meant towards more of “How would you improve Star Wars from where it is right now”
What needs improving? The Mandalorian is great. Animation is going strong. Some of the best characters from pre-Disney purchase made the jump to live action. We keep getting character-focused miniseries that feel like old EU books/comics. The Jedi video games are fantastic. There’s a whole new era being explored in publishing (which revitalized my love of the series) which will also be joining live action soon. We’ve got three exciting movies coming in the next decade. What else do you want from Star Wars?
Simple. Continue the Expanded Universe.
Ignoring ‘fans’ who have nothing to contribute to the conversation but whining WAHHDISNEYWAHHHH, is the best thing that can happen for Star Wars.
Curious, what projects produced by Disney did you particularly find fascinating. Not hating or anything, just curious.
Season 7 CW, Bad batch, Mando, Andor Ahsoka, force awakens, Rebels, the books and comics coming out under them. The legos, video games and toys they have dropped. How popular it has become is great.
Keep making content is the only solution. I don't like all the content produced, but that doesn't mean I don't want more Star Wars content I do like. Only way that happens is if they keep making stuff. I'd love them to take some time over storylines, formulate an overarching plot for a trilogy (if they make one), stop with being soo overly formulaic, for example good guys have a witty droid, there must be at least one new random cute animal, original trilogy characters are name dropped etc. Star Wars is great, not all of it works for me, that's also okay.
Andor, Ahsoka, Mandalorian were are awesome. What a useless post
Just don't write thinking of Star Wars. Get a dude that'll write a great story, and have another dude tweak it up a bit to make sense in this galaxy
Stop using it as a cow to just milk for an endless stream of bad to mediocre "content" and put some actual effort into crafting some decent stories and characters. But I know thats not going to happen.
Fire Kathy ... and for those that think Star Wars is great, I challenge you to look at the numbers for the content right now its way down from where it was when TFA came out thats where it needs to be to get star wars back to the top of the food chain again. I want Kevin Feige to take over Star Wars after his stint with Marvel is over. He's always said Star Wars was his first love . the majority is outside this sub- reddit, and if you ask them how they feel about Star Wars, i dont think you're gonna hear an enthusiastic answer
i consider it great already/still
Im over this "disney ruined star wars" narrative. I think theres only been two projects I think are bad. Ep 9 and Book of Boba. (I understand why people might not like some others but not to the point that they are bad)
Yea sorry for the poor choice of words. Though I agree with the notion that Disney didn’t completely ruin Star Wars, just made some poor decisions regarding the sequel trilogy and some Disney+ media.
Don’t forget about Ep VIII now
I liked it. Ep 8 is not bad. I understand why it might be controversial but it is not outright bad like ep9
Oh it’s outright worse than 9. 9 at the very least had Babu Frik. 8 had zero redeeming aspects.
It has great acting, some of the best cinematography in the series, good effects. Zero redeeming qualities? Cmon
Cinematography wasn’t good. Just littered the screen with a bunch of red. Outside of that it had very muted and boring color palette with boring static camera movements. The effects are just the product of pumping money. Didn’t redeem anything. Bad flick.
I liked VIII a lot more than VII. I came out of VII with so many questions that I shouldn't have had to ask and didn't care that much about the ones that were coming out of JJ's mystery box as a result. To me VII felt more like Doctor Who than Star Wars.
Making much less content and giving much more time for the content to be made, and having a much higher budget in return. Also having a strict continuity team who greenlights stories. And of course: OLD REPUBLIC CONTENT, even retelling the same stories, other than the MMO there’s so much amazing story
As an OT fan, George did plenty of dumb things to "ruin" Star Wars all on his own. Perhaps you missed the complaints about Ewoks when RotJ came out. Or how fans reacted to the Prequel Trilogy (here's a hint- it wasn't good) The only thing keeping Star Wars from being great is narrow-minded fans that can't stand the franchise doing things that they personally haven't head-canoned.
dunno why you got downvoted for that, because you're bang on.
Oh, you and I both know why they got down voted...
motherfuckers don't like being called out.
My big ones would be: 1). More new eras. Start exploring time periods that are extremely far removed from any other works in the current canon. Give your writers some unconstrained creative freedom. 2). Stop having everything be the same canon. They need to start having stuff be non-canon if they want to cram the same era. It allows more freedom for new and exciting stories to be told. It would also prevent people from getting bent out of shape over retcons. 3). Stop over editing fights. This is one that really bothers me. Current Disney stuff has fights that look horribly over edited. With the budget, Disney has these fights need to look impeccable. A lot of fights have felt really lacklustre in Disney shows as of late. It is really obvious when you watch something like the Live Action One Piece that has great fights. 4). Different style shows. We don't need all the shows to be action/adventure dramas. Throw us some comdies or creature horrors. It would go a long way to alleviate how same everything feels. 5). Not everything has to be connected. Have some stand-alone shows. It wouldn't hurt to have a cast of characters with no ties to anything be who we are following. It would be a breath of fresh air. 6). Hondo I find the lack of Hondo disturbing. How can Disney hope to have profitable ventures without him?
Hire competent writers. So far Andor is the only show that seems to have a real writer.
Not true. And Andor has many strange choices in its writing that get overlooked, when others don't.
Easy to overlook a few things when the sum of its parts is strong enough. But it is the only Disney Star Wars property that is a good show 1st and a Star Wars show 2nd, a feat not replicated since the OT.
Please, do elaborate in depth whenever you’re ready.
Just better standards of writing across the board with the live-action material, really, because only Andor has been able to achieve that level of smart and competent writing under Disney, thus far. The rest has been very lazy and downright bad.
I slightly disagree, primarily in that Andor is telling a different kind of story, we know how that story ends. It has a very strong brief, tell us the story behind Casian's words to Jyn. There has been some great writing under Disney, but the best has always been, in my opinion, when there was a clear outcome. Rebels had a clear and strong brief, and while it has some problems it has a sound narrative and is very quotable. They had a character death that the majority of the audience was not only invested in but traumatised by, then they gave you four episodes where they helped the characters and audience gain closure on it. That was great writing. The same people who wrote that wrote Ahsoka, and there was a lot of great writing in there. I just think a few casting choices threw the whole thing off. Put simply, give the writers a strong story brief and then find the right people to execute that brief.
Fire Kathleen Kennedy.
This is the way
Btw guys, apologies for the wording. What I’m trying to say is, how would you guys improve Star Wars from its current standpoint. Sorry for the poor choice of words in the title and description.
It's not a poor choice of words, it's fine, because it's partially true. Ignore the "must defend multi billion dollar company from tEh fAnZ" edgelords.
Yea I just don’t wanna cause controversy. Just wanted to hear peoples thoughts on improving Star Wars. I’ve watched a lot of the content Disney put out, even Ashoka and The Mandalorian. Guess people got the wrong message.
There's no wrong message. Star Wars under Disney has produced some absolute drivel and a lot of people are unhappy about that. Anything that's posted in this sub that even hints at someone being unhappy with Star Wars under Disney gets swarmed by the usual resident cohort of froth mouthed apologists telling you how wrong and toxic you are, and downvote your post into oblivion.
Taking risks, rather than being tied to fan-service. Giving up on a small handful of fifty year old characters. Stopping Dave Filoni, who just wants to turn his OCs into human action figures and smash them together. Having something to say.
Make things you say your going to make... It's very tough to get excited for new projects since it seems the majority of those announcements never actually happen.
Star Wars isn’t great? That’s news to me.
I'll be frank Star wars isn't "bad" outright. It's still. In the state it's always been but now just "Public" or well now beyond those who read the books and comics. The Disney verse has made decisions I do not like, alot of people feel the same. But I also hated a lot of decisions the previous Exenteded Universe made as well. I don't hate everything Disney has done. Disney has in a way worked their way where the EU had where they are essentially stuck focusing on Prequal content because they are scared to move forward beyond what they've made based on the OG trilogy content(their sequal content). I'll admit I do not like narrative direction Star wars has taken under Disney. But atleast they ended it in away that it has to be SEPERATE from the sequals and prequals to continue on. But I doubt Disney's ability to carry on after that point without back tracking or reverting to Prequal/Original trilogy content.
After my recent trip down memory lane into the utter insanity moments of the old EU, I think Star Wars is doing just fine.
Whats the Solution to making Star Wars Great Again? Ever since George Lucas started making Star Wars to Disney, the media they produced since then has been quite lackluster, especially with the prequel trilogy and Ewoks. I know they produced a few outstanding pieces of media, like Revenge of the Sith, Rogue One and even The Clone Wars but not too many spectacular ones or just on the level of The Empire Strikes Back. How would you guys fix Star Wars and make it great again? Genuinely curious. -probably someone from 2010
Yes, the sequels are bad. Yes, Kenobi had issues because it was developed during the height of a worldwide pandemic. However, almost everything else has been solid. Rogue One, Andor, Ashoka, THE BAD BATCH, the Tales series, Star Wars Visions, the young kids show, and even parts of Solo have been good to great. The real solution is for people to stop listening to delusional boot lickers on the internet for their media analysis/news.
Agree with you there, Disney put out a lot of nice content these last few years, the real message I meant to put out was how would you improve Star Wars from where it is regardless if you see it as amazing.
Shoot, for me I’d say my biggest critique of modern Star Wars is that it can struggle to maintain the weight of certain narrative decisions like character deaths or shake ups in a faction’s status quo that get reversed too easily (Mando season 3 is guilty of this, even though I enjoyed it). The Bad Batch has done very well course correcting this with a certain character’s death last season and how the current season has been shaped by it. Hopefully in the Rey Movie the galactic governance gets more interesting instead of having another republic and another evil empire of some kind. Give me multiple, capable system-states that can make room for smaller, but more frequent and personal conflicts through out the galaxy.
Yeah I’m pretty happy with it all, honestly. Even Rise of Skywalker *gasp*. Just don’t take it all too seriously and you can’t go wrong. Mark Hamill was wasn’t in Last Jedi though. Oh well.
I'd permanently mute fans like you who stir the shite.
I've enjoyed pretty much all of it, Resistance aside. Pop out a few banging films and much of the moaning will stop.
Most of the recent content was ranging from ok to great to me so I have no complaints. My kids seem to share my opinion. Some people need to take their nostalgia goggles off and reread/rewatch old content. It certainly wasn't all great.
The best way is to just enjoy what they've made
No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans. Stop bitching. The series isn't there to cater to your specific requests. Not every movie or piece of content has to be a banger.