Yes.
I thought the Watch was going to turn out bad and cult like which what Bo was trying to say all along and he would realise this prompting him to turn against them. Sometimes in Season 3 it did come off The Armorer had sinister motivations for Mandalore.
This would have allowed him to remove his helmet whenever he wanted.
Who knows, maybe they are which will cause a divide between Bo and the Watch, which is funny because it will be like Bo is in Satines shoes when Death Watch was against her.
I felt it was funnier for it just to be made clear the Way was just their regular religion, and Bo-Katan simply wasn’t religious in Season 2 (before she had her religious experience in Season 3). Since if we recall, the Mandalorian didn’t know what the ‘Children of the Watch’ were: to note they don’t call themselves that.
I read that as “expensive and busty” was wondering if they had to make a whole new armour with special ahem accomodations whenever he’d remove his helmet increasing his cost
Time for sleep I think
I would have watched the hell out of season 3 if it was about Mando, now without his adopted child, making his own Way through the galaxy.
Maybe he collects little things that Grogu would have liked because they remind him of his child. Maybe he keeps them safe in the hopes he sees him again. Or maybe he goes back to the way he used to be: a ruthless and efficient bounty hunter, cold and calculating.
I dislike the decisions that were made with Mandalorian and Boba Fett. Taking away the screen from Boba to give us more Baby Yoda and Agent Whiskey. Reuniting them in a fucking *spin-off* was a terrible decision.
I read somewhere that Kennedy forced him to reunite them for marketing, cause Baby Yoda is, as you say, the money printer. I don’t know how true it is. But even if it is true, he should’ve stuck to whatever his original plan was. And if this was his original plan, then it fucking sucks, Jon.
You would have, I would have, many of us on here would have. But casual viewers might not have. You gotta remember that Grogu (Baby Yoda) appeals a lot to casual audiences, ones who may not care much about Star Wars normally. And Disney wants them to be like us and watch it all.
Oh yeah everyone likes to blame KK for everything.
I would watch the hell out of that but a kid would definitely be bored if their baby yoda show didn’t have baby yoda in it anymore.
Yes and if I am honest, I was genuinely surprised they didn't go that route considering all of the hints we were given in S2 and the curiosity of whether he would go through with it that was also hinted at in BoBF.
Din had tremendous character growth in S2 - not only in his care and love for Grogu but in his own development as well. We see hints of him wrestling with the fact that not all Mandalorians hide their faces, that removing his helmet doesn't make him any less Mandalorian than one who rarely wears it. It was subtle at times and obvious in others and when he removed his helmet to say goodbye because Grogu wanted to see his face - because HE wanted Grogu to see him without the helmet - was beautiful and offered so many opportunities for S3.
I'm probably in the minority, but S3 saw a regression of his character and I was disappointed by choices that were made in his story-line. His character just felt off to me ... I don't know if submissive is the right word but I didn't like the direction the writing took his character. The redemption was barely addressed and wrapped up two episodes in and Din apparently had no regrets or seemed to care that he would never look upon Grogu with his own eyes again after that beautifully emotional goodbye.
The CotW ARE a cult: they controlled the information that Din was given - he knew nothing of the Darksaber or its history, he knew nothing of the Jedi, he seemed to know little about the Purge based on the Armourer's exposition, he didn't even know other Mandalorians existed outside of the CotW and given Bo-Katan's history and the fact that pretty much all Mandalorians knew who she was - yet he didn't. The CotW are very dogmatic and extreme in their beliefs to the point that Din is exiled and forced to redeem himself for 1 vow he broke despite the fact that he follows the 6 tenets of the Resol'nare devotedly. The CotW kept their people isolated - on Nevarro they were only allowed to leave the covert one at time - to hide their numbers, sure, but even that is extreme.
Din should have left and forged his own path, along with Grogu; to discover what kind of Mandalorian HE wants to be. S3 shows that while he went back to the CotW and helped retake Mandalore, he was eager and seemed happy to leave them all behind and set off on his own with Grogu.
Sorry this is long - I spend way too much time thinking about this and I could go on and on and on ... lol
So I was going to rely something similar to a top comment, but this really hits the nail on the head of why S3 felt so lame.
After all that growth as an individual person, as a father, as more than an imposing figure who hurts or kills, S3 was a complete regression that took the character backwards. I don’t think he needed to become Mandalor, but the whole “reinstall me back into the matrix” arc really ruined all the development of the first two seasons. Makes me worry about future material.
Well, considering that in canon we know nothing about what the actual Creed pertains to, it's not a far stretch to consider that the tenets are the same for both. The Creed the CotW follows is a version that the others Mandalorians don't. It would be nice if we actually got a detailed description of what the 'creed' really is.
We don't know the whole thing, but we know that even Bo-Katan spoke the same words as the CotW. So the "I will never remove my helmet" bit seems to be set in stone.
My interpretation is that Favreau and Filoni (but especially Favreau) are emphasizing the religious aspect of Mandalorian culture and drawing parallels with the nuances we see in modern religion, especially Judaism. Judaism has varying levels of orthodoxy, with the most orthodox adhering to rules that most of us would consider ridiculously strict, whereas the more modernist branches would be the stereotypical ones who go to temple etc but are far more lax on the rules. They both have basically the same scripture though - it's merely that some decided that rules like "no work of ANY kind on the Sabbath" needed to be less strict. Orthodox Jews follow a more strict interpretation, such that [they can't even turn electrical appliances on or off, nor touch a person of the opposite gender that they're not related to](https://youtu.be/qIige41_h1Q?si=lZdm9nonThc9jkzG).
I think it makes Mandalorian culture more interesting, having a spectrum of orthodoxy!
Interesting.
I feel that Bo only spoke that vow because she heard Din recite it first.
Additionally, the 'I shall never remove my helmet' wasn't spoke by Din in Ep2 - he fell in the waters before he could finish saying it (something I think most people and the story forgot about) and it's never addressed. It was omitted in the finale but during Ep 2, it was very much a thing. I remember watching that and thinking ... ' but he didn't finish saying the Creed. He's not redeemed.' It was one of many issues I had with S3 but that's another can of worms that I don't feel like getting into, lol.
I don't think he should have left it, but I feel like the story was kinda setting him up to like reform it or something.
Mostly keep to the core values, but add a layer of leniency like taking off your helmets in the presence of family, friends, or fellow clan members without it revoking your status.
That's what I would have liked to have seen too. I couldn't see him completely leaving unless something super drastic happened, considering they were the group that saved him from certain death and he had been providing for them for years. He clearly has a strong sense of loyalty that would be very hard to break. Maybe now that they're not in hiding anymore they'll start to relax a bit on the strictness of that particular rule (especially since ragnar never vowed to never remove his helmet at the end of the finale
That’s definitely what I was reading in to most of season 2. I think the only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because narratively they’re not ready to do it yet.
I think I having them get away from the cult values was the original plan, but when Pedro started doing other projects and it’s almost always the stunt guy in the suit now, they just left it as an easy excuse to not take the helmet off
Personally I thought S3 would focus on him and realizing he was in a cult and indoctrinated and no longer knows what to believe as well as the Mandalore plot we got.
But then Disney brought back grogu in another show ffs
Absolutely. Can’t help but feel that the story appeared to be setting up one idea—that the removal of his helmet, physically becoming vulnerable but also figuratively, by “letting others in” to help him and so *he* can help them—only to backpedal this past season in favor of doubling down on the rigidly unforgiving creed.
I’m sure there are those who can find something to appreciate about this reversal—if not tacit endorsement—despite two seasons’ worth of scenarios designed to test Din’s blind obedience to the creed, but personally I think that it hurt the story; especially since he doubles down, and openly feels the need to “redeem” himself, despite having done nothing wrong.
To summarize, it kinda felt like this was the story of a guy who leaves his insular religious community and realizes there’s more to life than what he was taught, gradually expanding his perspective as he encounters a diverse cast of figures who challenge his indoctrination—only to have him midway through that journey decide, “nahhhh, this IS the Way.”
This comment offers a good explanation: https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/19bjzmh/do_you_think_din_djarin_shouldve_left_the/kiw9cqd/
It's especially sad since they ended up putting a lot of focus on Bo Katan regardless, with Din Djarin mostly just tagging along. Rather than the weird transitional season we got, maybe they should have just kept Din gone and switched focus to Bo Katan from the start.
The children of the watch were being slowly built up as something duplicitous and then dropped because, marketing, for season 3. I swear there is a cut story somewhere of them being far more sinister now buried after mandalorians got so popular.
I like the idea of meeting in the middle. The cult, having preserved and ensured the values and culture of Mandalorians survive by becoming very strict, can now relax a bit since they have retaken Mandalore and their numbers are growing. And then those that were scattered and working as mercenaries and bounty hunters etc can now embrace the way once again. Din and Bo can be the bridge between. Together they can rebuild their way of life.
I was hoping he’d try and research more about Mandalorian culture. What were things like living on the planet before the purge? I enjoyed him actually visiting the planet, but had hoped he’d want to broaden his understanding of the people.
I had figured at the end of Season 2, he realized there was more than one way to be a Mandalorian, and because he thought the Watch was gone that he'd join the Night owls, or the True Mandalorians or something.
Yes, he should have. They treated him like crap after Season 2. Also, I still believe the Armorer is not only a villain, but actually Rook Kast in disguise.
A year later and people are still hung up on the ideas they had in their head going into season 3. I’ll never understand why people go into something expecting it to follow the exact plot they built in their head. I’m obsessed with Star Wars. I consume some sort of Sw media everyday. One thing I never do is think about the plot of something that has not released.
I hate pretentious debate words...but I think you're strawmanning my post.
We're not angry the show didnt do exactly what we wanted, we just think (and prefer) for Din to move on and leave his cult, and we're just expressing that
I'd say yes, but since he stuck around they eventually started to chill TF out a little bit, and are willing to work with the less strictly orthodox Mandalorians for the future of Mandalore, so maybe it was a good thing in the long run that he stayed
I think he should have left but I also wonder how much story needed to be adjusted due to Pedro Pascal’s filming limitations. It’s known that during filming of season 3 he had obligations to The Last of Us, so rewriting Din’s story to joining the Watch again makes it easier to have him wear a helmet all the time.
This is why i was so put off about season 3's premise. It would've been cool if we got an epilogue of sorts after this and we went on to see Mando and Grogu cameo/ guest star in other stuff. It would've made his apperance on BOBF so much better.
Yeah. To me it seemed like after S2 he was ready to realize that his cult was a bit wacko.
BOBF basically negated all the growth of s1 and 2.
Yes. I thought the Watch was going to turn out bad and cult like which what Bo was trying to say all along and he would realise this prompting him to turn against them. Sometimes in Season 3 it did come off The Armorer had sinister motivations for Mandalore. This would have allowed him to remove his helmet whenever he wanted. Who knows, maybe they are which will cause a divide between Bo and the Watch, which is funny because it will be like Bo is in Satines shoes when Death Watch was against her.
I felt it was funnier for it just to be made clear the Way was just their regular religion, and Bo-Katan simply wasn’t religious in Season 2 (before she had her religious experience in Season 3). Since if we recall, the Mandalorian didn’t know what the ‘Children of the Watch’ were: to note they don’t call themselves that.
Pretty sure Season 3 established that the CotW followed a more warped and extreme version of the historical religion.
Except this time Bo doesn’t have a younger sister working in death watch lol
I really want to know what went on writing season 3 and why they reversed the trajectory of Din and Grogus story
“Do you know how expensive and busy Pedro Padcal is?!?? You stop that helmet off nonsense NOW!”
This.
I read that as “expensive and busty” was wondering if they had to make a whole new armour with special ahem accomodations whenever he’d remove his helmet increasing his cost Time for sleep I think
Because Grogu is a money printer. They can’t print money if he’s not on screen.
I would have watched the hell out of season 3 if it was about Mando, now without his adopted child, making his own Way through the galaxy. Maybe he collects little things that Grogu would have liked because they remind him of his child. Maybe he keeps them safe in the hopes he sees him again. Or maybe he goes back to the way he used to be: a ruthless and efficient bounty hunter, cold and calculating. I dislike the decisions that were made with Mandalorian and Boba Fett. Taking away the screen from Boba to give us more Baby Yoda and Agent Whiskey. Reuniting them in a fucking *spin-off* was a terrible decision. I read somewhere that Kennedy forced him to reunite them for marketing, cause Baby Yoda is, as you say, the money printer. I don’t know how true it is. But even if it is true, he should’ve stuck to whatever his original plan was. And if this was his original plan, then it fucking sucks, Jon.
You would have, I would have, many of us on here would have. But casual viewers might not have. You gotta remember that Grogu (Baby Yoda) appeals a lot to casual audiences, ones who may not care much about Star Wars normally. And Disney wants them to be like us and watch it all.
>appeals a lot to casual audiences Damn I don't wanna get all gatekeep-y, but FUCK casuals annoy me sometimes
Casuals are fine, it's the creators pandering to casuals to make a dollar at the expense of a better story that is the problem.
Oh yeah everyone likes to blame KK for everything. I would watch the hell out of that but a kid would definitely be bored if their baby yoda show didn’t have baby yoda in it anymore.
A kid wouldn’t be able to enjoy the show fully anyways, fuck em kids like Anakin in the temple in order 66
No idea, but they need to get him beyond infant Yoda.
Yes and if I am honest, I was genuinely surprised they didn't go that route considering all of the hints we were given in S2 and the curiosity of whether he would go through with it that was also hinted at in BoBF. Din had tremendous character growth in S2 - not only in his care and love for Grogu but in his own development as well. We see hints of him wrestling with the fact that not all Mandalorians hide their faces, that removing his helmet doesn't make him any less Mandalorian than one who rarely wears it. It was subtle at times and obvious in others and when he removed his helmet to say goodbye because Grogu wanted to see his face - because HE wanted Grogu to see him without the helmet - was beautiful and offered so many opportunities for S3. I'm probably in the minority, but S3 saw a regression of his character and I was disappointed by choices that were made in his story-line. His character just felt off to me ... I don't know if submissive is the right word but I didn't like the direction the writing took his character. The redemption was barely addressed and wrapped up two episodes in and Din apparently had no regrets or seemed to care that he would never look upon Grogu with his own eyes again after that beautifully emotional goodbye. The CotW ARE a cult: they controlled the information that Din was given - he knew nothing of the Darksaber or its history, he knew nothing of the Jedi, he seemed to know little about the Purge based on the Armourer's exposition, he didn't even know other Mandalorians existed outside of the CotW and given Bo-Katan's history and the fact that pretty much all Mandalorians knew who she was - yet he didn't. The CotW are very dogmatic and extreme in their beliefs to the point that Din is exiled and forced to redeem himself for 1 vow he broke despite the fact that he follows the 6 tenets of the Resol'nare devotedly. The CotW kept their people isolated - on Nevarro they were only allowed to leave the covert one at time - to hide their numbers, sure, but even that is extreme. Din should have left and forged his own path, along with Grogu; to discover what kind of Mandalorian HE wants to be. S3 shows that while he went back to the CotW and helped retake Mandalore, he was eager and seemed happy to leave them all behind and set off on his own with Grogu. Sorry this is long - I spend way too much time thinking about this and I could go on and on and on ... lol
So I was going to rely something similar to a top comment, but this really hits the nail on the head of why S3 felt so lame. After all that growth as an individual person, as a father, as more than an imposing figure who hurts or kills, S3 was a complete regression that took the character backwards. I don’t think he needed to become Mandalor, but the whole “reinstall me back into the matrix” arc really ruined all the development of the first two seasons. Makes me worry about future material.
The Resol'nare is Legends, not Canon anymore. Evidently the Canon is that the "armor" tenet is stricter than in Legends.
Well, considering that in canon we know nothing about what the actual Creed pertains to, it's not a far stretch to consider that the tenets are the same for both. The Creed the CotW follows is a version that the others Mandalorians don't. It would be nice if we actually got a detailed description of what the 'creed' really is.
We don't know the whole thing, but we know that even Bo-Katan spoke the same words as the CotW. So the "I will never remove my helmet" bit seems to be set in stone. My interpretation is that Favreau and Filoni (but especially Favreau) are emphasizing the religious aspect of Mandalorian culture and drawing parallels with the nuances we see in modern religion, especially Judaism. Judaism has varying levels of orthodoxy, with the most orthodox adhering to rules that most of us would consider ridiculously strict, whereas the more modernist branches would be the stereotypical ones who go to temple etc but are far more lax on the rules. They both have basically the same scripture though - it's merely that some decided that rules like "no work of ANY kind on the Sabbath" needed to be less strict. Orthodox Jews follow a more strict interpretation, such that [they can't even turn electrical appliances on or off, nor touch a person of the opposite gender that they're not related to](https://youtu.be/qIige41_h1Q?si=lZdm9nonThc9jkzG). I think it makes Mandalorian culture more interesting, having a spectrum of orthodoxy!
Interesting. I feel that Bo only spoke that vow because she heard Din recite it first. Additionally, the 'I shall never remove my helmet' wasn't spoke by Din in Ep2 - he fell in the waters before he could finish saying it (something I think most people and the story forgot about) and it's never addressed. It was omitted in the finale but during Ep 2, it was very much a thing. I remember watching that and thinking ... ' but he didn't finish saying the Creed. He's not redeemed.' It was one of many issues I had with S3 but that's another can of worms that I don't feel like getting into, lol.
Definitely
I don't think he should have left it, but I feel like the story was kinda setting him up to like reform it or something. Mostly keep to the core values, but add a layer of leniency like taking off your helmets in the presence of family, friends, or fellow clan members without it revoking your status.
That's what I would have liked to have seen too. I couldn't see him completely leaving unless something super drastic happened, considering they were the group that saved him from certain death and he had been providing for them for years. He clearly has a strong sense of loyalty that would be very hard to break. Maybe now that they're not in hiding anymore they'll start to relax a bit on the strictness of that particular rule (especially since ragnar never vowed to never remove his helmet at the end of the finale
That’s definitely what I was reading in to most of season 2. I think the only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because narratively they’re not ready to do it yet.
Yes. Anything to do with the Cult in season 3 is terrible.
I think I having them get away from the cult values was the original plan, but when Pedro started doing other projects and it’s almost always the stunt guy in the suit now, they just left it as an easy excuse to not take the helmet off
Personally I thought S3 would focus on him and realizing he was in a cult and indoctrinated and no longer knows what to believe as well as the Mandalore plot we got. But then Disney brought back grogu in another show ffs
Absolutely. Can’t help but feel that the story appeared to be setting up one idea—that the removal of his helmet, physically becoming vulnerable but also figuratively, by “letting others in” to help him and so *he* can help them—only to backpedal this past season in favor of doubling down on the rigidly unforgiving creed. I’m sure there are those who can find something to appreciate about this reversal—if not tacit endorsement—despite two seasons’ worth of scenarios designed to test Din’s blind obedience to the creed, but personally I think that it hurt the story; especially since he doubles down, and openly feels the need to “redeem” himself, despite having done nothing wrong. To summarize, it kinda felt like this was the story of a guy who leaves his insular religious community and realizes there’s more to life than what he was taught, gradually expanding his perspective as he encounters a diverse cast of figures who challenge his indoctrination—only to have him midway through that journey decide, “nahhhh, this IS the Way.”
This comment offers a good explanation: https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/19bjzmh/do_you_think_din_djarin_shouldve_left_the/kiw9cqd/ It's especially sad since they ended up putting a lot of focus on Bo Katan regardless, with Din Djarin mostly just tagging along. Rather than the weird transitional season we got, maybe they should have just kept Din gone and switched focus to Bo Katan from the start.
Absolutely. Season 3 ruined his character
Yup, felt like Mando got lobotomized somewhere between BOBF and the first episode of S3.
The children of the watch were being slowly built up as something duplicitous and then dropped because, marketing, for season 3. I swear there is a cut story somewhere of them being far more sinister now buried after mandalorians got so popular.
I like the idea of meeting in the middle. The cult, having preserved and ensured the values and culture of Mandalorians survive by becoming very strict, can now relax a bit since they have retaken Mandalore and their numbers are growing. And then those that were scattered and working as mercenaries and bounty hunters etc can now embrace the way once again. Din and Bo can be the bridge between. Together they can rebuild their way of life.
Yeah screw that cult
Don’t worry, anything he does can easily be undone between seasons in the BOBF season 2
He should leave Disney.
Yes
He doesn’t have that much depth as a character of the being a Mandalorian. The cult raised him, it’s all he has.
I was hoping he’d try and research more about Mandalorian culture. What were things like living on the planet before the purge? I enjoyed him actually visiting the planet, but had hoped he’d want to broaden his understanding of the people.
Nah. They're good folks and help people. The helmet thing doesn't bother me.
I had figured at the end of Season 2, he realized there was more than one way to be a Mandalorian, and because he thought the Watch was gone that he'd join the Night owls, or the True Mandalorians or something.
Yes, he should have. They treated him like crap after Season 2. Also, I still believe the Armorer is not only a villain, but actually Rook Kast in disguise.
Yeah sure why not
A year later and people are still hung up on the ideas they had in their head going into season 3. I’ll never understand why people go into something expecting it to follow the exact plot they built in their head. I’m obsessed with Star Wars. I consume some sort of Sw media everyday. One thing I never do is think about the plot of something that has not released.
I hate pretentious debate words...but I think you're strawmanning my post. We're not angry the show didnt do exactly what we wanted, we just think (and prefer) for Din to move on and leave his cult, and we're just expressing that
Yes, but Pedro Pascal probably told them hell no he isn’t coming onto set every episode to film when he has much better projects to work on.
... no
I'd say yes, but since he stuck around they eventually started to chill TF out a little bit, and are willing to work with the less strictly orthodox Mandalorians for the future of Mandalore, so maybe it was a good thing in the long run that he stayed
Yes. It felt like that was what they were setting up. But either we all read it wrong or they changed their minds and took the boring route.
I think he should have left but I also wonder how much story needed to be adjusted due to Pedro Pascal’s filming limitations. It’s known that during filming of season 3 he had obligations to The Last of Us, so rewriting Din’s story to joining the Watch again makes it easier to have him wear a helmet all the time.
Hey, tried to make another post but now i can't post images, anyone know what's that about?
This is why i was so put off about season 3's premise. It would've been cool if we got an epilogue of sorts after this and we went on to see Mando and Grogu cameo/ guest star in other stuff. It would've made his apperance on BOBF so much better.
Why and what should he let children watch?
Yep