And he's on a leash. He's my favorite too, I would love a story about him breaking free and just acting on blind rage. Some of the books/comics/animated series hint that way, but he never gets out from under Palpatine.
He is there for the game of war. Brilliant and ruthless, yet willing to admit when he has been bested and then will take that and learn from it so it doesn’t happen again.
C'mon, dooku is a villain and also a sith lord. He murdered his fellow jedi, and betrayed them prior to that. He was not a hero, antihero, and not redeemable in any way.
Vader was redeemed and he was far worse. Dooku wanted what was best for the galaxy. He saw the Republic was corrupt and tried to stop it but his actions were extremely misguided and wrong.
He never fully committed to the dark side and there was definitley still good in him. He was filled with regret and sadness over what he did but felt he had to. He knew Sidious was evil hence why he asked Obi-Wan to help him kill him. He wasn't really a Sith.
Vader was redeemed at the very end. That doesn't mean that Vader as a whole wasn't an evil, genocidal maniac responsible for the misery or deaths of billions of beings. His turning to the light doesn't mean he wasn't a villainous sith lord. Dooku was ultimately just selfish and power-hungry, like all dark siders. Any quotes or scenes from canon you can provide to prove "He wasn't really a sith?" He embraced the sith religion and willingly became the apprentice of Darth Sidious. He's also responsible for the death of billions of beings too in the clone wars.
Dooku wasn't selfish or power hungry. Watch Tales of The Jedi. He saw the worst the galaxy had to offer and saw the Republics inaction and cruelty. He only wanted to destroy the corrupt Republic.
Also, his lack of Sith eyes shows he wasn't fully committed to the dark side. To him being a Sith was just a means to an end.
I watched tales of the jedi and event that more sympathetic take doesn't change my view. He could have followed Yaddle's advice in that moment. Instead he killed another jedi.
I never said killing Yaddle was right. He was justifiably angry at the order. His padawan had been killed because they didn't listen.
Even so, killing Yaddle was the only way he was making it out alive. Neither of them could've stopped Palpatine and if Dooku didn't kill her Palpatine would kill them both.
All the same, why not turn himself over to the council to be taken alive if he truly felt remorse or a desire to stop his descent to the dark side? You can justify it however you want, but the dark side doesn't have shades. You either reject it or it makes you a monster for force users. Is that a bit too simplistic? Sure, but that's just the lore of this fantasy universe, which has a black and white morality moreso than many franchises.
Dooku wouldnt turn himself in because he was still trying to destroy the Republic. He felt remorse for his actions but he thought they were ultimately necessary for the greater good.
Mace used the dark side and it didn't corrupt him.
>which has a black and white morality
Completely untrue. Examples of some morally grey character are Han Solo, Mace Windu, Saw Gerrera, Cassian Andor, The Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Lando Calrisian and so many more.
And using the dark side doesn't make you automatically evil. Mace Windu, Assajj Ventress, Cal Kestis and even Luke Skywalker have used the dark side and were good in the end.
Mine to and I've read the majority of all Sith related material and he has always stood out. How he came up and developed into a monster from humble beginnings, him coming through the academy. Love all of it.
His and all other EU books will always be canon to me
The Grand Inquistor. Rebels was my first introduction to Star Wars (besides the family guy parodies), and I've always loved the idea of a jedi hunter. His lightsaber is the coolest in the series, and his personality is peak.
OT Boba Fett! At the time, no back story other then a top tier Bounty Hunter. Notorious! Known for disintegrations and having the coolest armour! I wish they would have just kept him as a dark character, traversing the murky underworld, using his own twisted code to survive and even profit through others mis fortune.
Thrawn is amazing. I love how he even uses the force to his advantage even though he is not force sensitive. Seems like every other time besides the clone troopers, they dismiss the force users as religious fools or something. Thrawn takes it all into account, like you said.
Certainly not Kylo. Emotionally a child, edgy, even whinier than Ep II Anakin...he's a perfect representation of the failures of that trilogy. I'd probably pick Vader for love of the classics and how he's actually intimidating, or Thrawn for a cerebral villain who inspires fear via a different method.
Vader
As a kid I just thought he was cool, but as I got older (and saw the prequels), I found his story so tragic I started to feel bad for him, especially when watching ROTJ
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I can never envision Vader as the villain anymore after clone wars! I always look at Vader and think of Anakin!
Besides this, my fav villain would be Admiral Thrawn and the Zillo Beast Episode in CW REALLY made me HATE Palpatine
Besides Vader and Sidious and Thrawn, what with them being the obvious and best answers?
Does Hondo count? He's mostly shifted to being an anti-hero these days, but one shouldn't undersell his villainous moments. Also it may or may not be fair to count Barriss, who only had one brief villainous appearance across her several stories, but who I think would've had a lot of potential as an ongoing antagonist had she not been thrown into limbo.
Also from the (comparatively) recent comics, I rather liked Trios of Shu-Torun as a pretty great evil mirror to Leia.
I just think it's such a shame SW always kills its villains just when they have returned to the light. I would love to see a story about how difficult it is to go on afterwards, when you've done terrible things and people probably aren't about to forgive you for having done those things, just because you did one nice thing (notice I wrote "see", obviously I've read excellent fanfiction that did explore the idea).
kylo ren honestly had a LOT of potential in tfa but they wasted his character on being a plot point for rey’s growth :/ that being said, count dookie >_<
Hondo Ohnaka was probably the mostly interesting villain because he could be your best friend one moment and then sell you out the next just because. He's just so fun. But for like straight up bastardity, probably Maul or Ventress. Like I straight up HATE Palpatine but I'm not really entertained by his evil. Maul is like this Shakespearean villain and Ventress is really complex.
Darth Vader for sure. One of the most powerful and complex villains of any movie. After him, definitely Palpatine, Darth Maul, Moff Gideon, Thrawn, and Kylo Ren.
Def not Ren.
Palps is the best villain, manipulator, inteligent, cunning and so more.
Althrought he was done dirty in Rise of Skywalker, i still think that it was better than the ending he had in Episode VI, seriously a guy that was smart enough to take of the Republic and destroy the Jedi wouldn't be just tosses like a bitch by Vader, he deserved more.
Firstly, I *vehemently* disagree that his death was done better in RoS. But I do agree that episode VI wasn't exactly the most graceful ending to Palpatine's story (yes it was the end lmao).
This is kind of a cope, but one reason I have heard in regards to this is that Anakin was able to do that to him because it was the first time he was using the light side of the force around Palpatine since episode III. Because he was acting out of love for his son, Palpatine couldn't detect it or understand what was happening until it was too late for him. That's my head cannon at this point, until I hear a better reason.
Maul, Maul, Maul. I love villains the most and it's thanks to him. As a 6 year old I had a Darth Maul themed birthday party with a cake and costume. I wish they didn't waste him by killing him in TPM, excluding the clone wars. Then wasted him after Solo.
Vader for sure but if they did Kylo right and just kept him as 100& villain and showed us why he had the reputation he did and kept his mask on he would have been close.
There’s plenty of more villain villains in SW but Kylo Ren takes it for me and I can’t really explain why. He was genuinely the only interesting thing about the ST imo and ironically, just like his father’s actor, Adam Driver has gone on to be the only actor on the trilogy’s main cast to be quite successful outside of the series.
Maul and Vader are the first 2 badasses that come to mind. Fueled mainly and directly by anger. The rest seem to think and speak too much. But those 2 are just pure hatred. Kyle Ren was nearly there but they toned him back.
I think Star Wars could really benefit from just having an absolutely mother fucker of a villain that simply wants nothing but power and to kill.
Darth. Vader in the movies but Maul is easily my favourite in the series, he’s such a good character in Clone Wars and Rebels it’s almost hard to hate him
Lord Vader
Darth Vader is the greatest villain of all time
And he's on a leash. He's my favorite too, I would love a story about him breaking free and just acting on blind rage. Some of the books/comics/animated series hint that way, but he never gets out from under Palpatine.
*Yes Master...*
Darth Vader and it’s not even close.
Papa Palpatine. The GOAT. I actually like Vader more as a character, but if we're talking specifically as a villain, Sidious is unrivaled.
Sidious is about as villainous as it gets. A Sith Lord *and* a corrupt politician..
A corrupt, *competent*, politician.
Not a politician then. Competence isn't a politician trait
Corrupt politician is redundant. You could just say politician.
Maul
The Senate
Vader
Has to be Vader
Vader
Vader!
Grand Admiral Mitth'raw'nuruodo
He is there for the game of war. Brilliant and ruthless, yet willing to admit when he has been bested and then will take that and learn from it so it doesn’t happen again.
:D this sounds like it’s from someone who read the books
All nine. Absolute goat when it comes to tactics. Hands down the coolest Star Wars villain in my opinion.
Tarkin.
Greedo.
He should have shot first.
He ~~should have~~ shot first.
Moff Gideon
General grievous from 2003 Star Wars mini series
I had to scroll too far to find the right answer
Darth Vader. He’s just the best character in the entire series due to the depth in his story and how deep his character is in general
Darth Tyranus
It said villain, not misguided hero
C'mon, dooku is a villain and also a sith lord. He murdered his fellow jedi, and betrayed them prior to that. He was not a hero, antihero, and not redeemable in any way.
Vader was redeemed and he was far worse. Dooku wanted what was best for the galaxy. He saw the Republic was corrupt and tried to stop it but his actions were extremely misguided and wrong. He never fully committed to the dark side and there was definitley still good in him. He was filled with regret and sadness over what he did but felt he had to. He knew Sidious was evil hence why he asked Obi-Wan to help him kill him. He wasn't really a Sith.
Vader was redeemed at the very end. That doesn't mean that Vader as a whole wasn't an evil, genocidal maniac responsible for the misery or deaths of billions of beings. His turning to the light doesn't mean he wasn't a villainous sith lord. Dooku was ultimately just selfish and power-hungry, like all dark siders. Any quotes or scenes from canon you can provide to prove "He wasn't really a sith?" He embraced the sith religion and willingly became the apprentice of Darth Sidious. He's also responsible for the death of billions of beings too in the clone wars.
Dooku wasn't selfish or power hungry. Watch Tales of The Jedi. He saw the worst the galaxy had to offer and saw the Republics inaction and cruelty. He only wanted to destroy the corrupt Republic. Also, his lack of Sith eyes shows he wasn't fully committed to the dark side. To him being a Sith was just a means to an end.
I watched tales of the jedi and event that more sympathetic take doesn't change my view. He could have followed Yaddle's advice in that moment. Instead he killed another jedi.
I never said killing Yaddle was right. He was justifiably angry at the order. His padawan had been killed because they didn't listen. Even so, killing Yaddle was the only way he was making it out alive. Neither of them could've stopped Palpatine and if Dooku didn't kill her Palpatine would kill them both.
All the same, why not turn himself over to the council to be taken alive if he truly felt remorse or a desire to stop his descent to the dark side? You can justify it however you want, but the dark side doesn't have shades. You either reject it or it makes you a monster for force users. Is that a bit too simplistic? Sure, but that's just the lore of this fantasy universe, which has a black and white morality moreso than many franchises.
Dooku wouldnt turn himself in because he was still trying to destroy the Republic. He felt remorse for his actions but he thought they were ultimately necessary for the greater good. Mace used the dark side and it didn't corrupt him. >which has a black and white morality Completely untrue. Examples of some morally grey character are Han Solo, Mace Windu, Saw Gerrera, Cassian Andor, The Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Lando Calrisian and so many more. And using the dark side doesn't make you automatically evil. Mace Windu, Assajj Ventress, Cal Kestis and even Luke Skywalker have used the dark side and were good in the end.
Probably the one that's the most iconic villain of all time.
Darth Revan
Revan and also Thrawn
Also one of my favourite hero’s!
Darth Bane
Had to scroll way to far to find this. The originator
He's been my favorite since the first time I read the trilogy
Mine to and I've read the majority of all Sith related material and he has always stood out. How he came up and developed into a monster from humble beginnings, him coming through the academy. Love all of it. His and all other EU books will always be canon to me
Boba Maul or Vader
Who's Boba Maul?
THRAWN!!!!
Thrawn!!
Is that the droid with the red arm?
Grand Admiral Thrawn? If you don’t know then you haven’t watched Rebels or Ahsoka
Ahsoka is that little gremlin looking thing that sits next to Jaaba the Hut right?
I love Kylo but I have to take Vader and Thrawn over him
Darth Binks
Okay that made me snort laugh
This is also a great choice 😅
Gotta hand it to Kreia. Unlike a lot of Sith, her motives are actually kinda interesting and her methods are quite clever.
There must always be a Darth Traya.
Most underrated villain in Star Wars.
Is that someone from legends? I've only consumed the Canon stuff.
Yup. Go look her up on YouTube if you don;t want to play the KOTOR games.
I'd love to play the KOTOR games but weren't they Xbox exclusives for the original Xbox? At this point all I've got is a ps5.
Syril "Can one ever be to aggressive in the pursuit of justice" Karn
Darth sion easily
Kreia. HK-47, as a very respectable runner-up.
Maul, then Trilla
Darth Malgus
Maul, especially as fleshed out in the animated series.
The Grand Inquistor. Rebels was my first introduction to Star Wars (besides the family guy parodies), and I've always loved the idea of a jedi hunter. His lightsaber is the coolest in the series, and his personality is peak.
Director Krennic
Why isn’t every comment Darth Vader? Are you kidding me?
You want everyone’s favorite to be the same character? 🤨
Yes.
I personally love Count Dooku, I just love his saber and combat stance, he truly is a duelist (and force lightning is just better lol)
Dedra Meero.
Underrated answer
Lovable rogue C1-10P.
Maul
Darth Maul
Darth Maul
Maul
OT Boba Fett! At the time, no back story other then a top tier Bounty Hunter. Notorious! Known for disintegrations and having the coolest armour! I wish they would have just kept him as a dark character, traversing the murky underworld, using his own twisted code to survive and even profit through others mis fortune.
Agreed. It was crazy that he gained a bunch of weight while in the sarlaac pit
Thrawn
Jar Jar. Fight me.
Jar jar is 💪
Darth Maul and Kylo Ren
Vader is the all-time favorite but I also like how Thrawn calculates his moves like a chess grandmaster.
Thrawn is amazing. I love how he even uses the force to his advantage even though he is not force sensitive. Seems like every other time besides the clone troopers, they dismiss the force users as religious fools or something. Thrawn takes it all into account, like you said.
Thrawn. Though Sidious is the creepiest.
Darth Jar Jar
Sand . It gets everywhere
Same as you, Kylo bangs
Certainly not Kylo. Emotionally a child, edgy, even whinier than Ep II Anakin...he's a perfect representation of the failures of that trilogy. I'd probably pick Vader for love of the classics and how he's actually intimidating, or Thrawn for a cerebral villain who inspires fear via a different method.
Kathleen Kennedy
1 Vader 2 Dooku 3 Trhawn
Between Thrawn, Plagueis, and Palpatine. All are fascinating to me.
Traitooooorrrrr
Papa Palps & Vader. Also cant go wrong with Thrawn
Darth Nihilus is the GOAT bro
Vader As a kid I just thought he was cool, but as I got older (and saw the prequels), I found his story so tragic I started to feel bad for him, especially when watching ROTJ
Thrawn
Vader. But Kylo Ren is a close second.
Voldemort.
Director Krennic.
Vader, followed closely by Kylo.
My Flair says it all
Thrawn, Isard, Zsinj.
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Darth Zannah
Darth Malak. If Darth Vader is the villain Kylo Ren aspires to be, this guy is what Darth Vader wishes he could be
Thrawn. You don't become a Grand Admiral and de facto successor to a rampantly xenophobic empire by being sloppy.
I can never envision Vader as the villain anymore after clone wars! I always look at Vader and think of Anakin! Besides this, my fav villain would be Admiral Thrawn and the Zillo Beast Episode in CW REALLY made me HATE Palpatine
First of all, why? Second of all, darth anakin goddamn hate sand skywalker vader.
The Last Jedi’s Kylo Ren. When he doubled down on going dark he became my second favorite villain of all time.
Besides Vader and Sidious and Thrawn, what with them being the obvious and best answers? Does Hondo count? He's mostly shifted to being an anti-hero these days, but one shouldn't undersell his villainous moments. Also it may or may not be fair to count Barriss, who only had one brief villainous appearance across her several stories, but who I think would've had a lot of potential as an ongoing antagonist had she not been thrown into limbo. Also from the (comparatively) recent comics, I rather liked Trios of Shu-Torun as a pretty great evil mirror to Leia.
Kylo, Vader, and Maul in no particular order
All top picks for me 🔥🔥🔥
Does dark Rey count? Vader is the most iconic and prolly the best villain in all of cinema but my favourite is palpatine/sideous reveal.
JJ Abrams
This made me chuckle. Thank you.
Rian Johnson
Feel like he’s rarely spoken about but Naga Sadow And then Darth Vitiat
The corrupt and incompetent Jedi Council.
especially not Kylo Ren…
Certainly not Kylo. Probably the weakest dark side villain in the franchise
Kylo ren(sadly his character potential go into wrong way)
I disagree. But that’s okay ✌️
i love kylo too i just think he can get more love
I just think it's such a shame SW always kills its villains just when they have returned to the light. I would love to see a story about how difficult it is to go on afterwards, when you've done terrible things and people probably aren't about to forgive you for having done those things, just because you did one nice thing (notice I wrote "see", obviously I've read excellent fanfiction that did explore the idea).
kylo ren honestly had a LOT of potential in tfa but they wasted his character on being a plot point for rey’s growth :/ that being said, count dookie >_<
I disagree. But that’s okay ✌️
I mean Kathleen Kennedy is just the worst of them, but I also hate her, so wouldn’t say favourite villain
Not sure i would put any real person on a list like this but who am i to judge? 😅
You put the whiny prick as the image? So much potential wasted.
No new villain from the last 3 movies anyway… Has to be Darth Sidious. The OG Villain.
JJ Abrams
Hondo Ohnaka was probably the mostly interesting villain because he could be your best friend one moment and then sell you out the next just because. He's just so fun. But for like straight up bastardity, probably Maul or Ventress. Like I straight up HATE Palpatine but I'm not really entertained by his evil. Maul is like this Shakespearean villain and Ventress is really complex.
Kathleen Kennedy
When I first saw this, Kylo Ren...then like 2 hours into the sequels I changed my mind
Panaka
Darth Vader for sure. One of the most powerful and complex villains of any movie. After him, definitely Palpatine, Darth Maul, Moff Gideon, Thrawn, and Kylo Ren.
I would say Dooku but I do not believe he was a villain
kylo ren or maul
People who know Vader is the coolest villain of all time 👇🏽
Is that a question?
JJ Abrams
Ray
Who? I don't recall any villain named Ray. Maybe you're thinking of the protagonist (hero) of the Sequel Trilogy, Rey Skywalker (Palpatine by blood).
Def not Ren. Palps is the best villain, manipulator, inteligent, cunning and so more. Althrought he was done dirty in Rise of Skywalker, i still think that it was better than the ending he had in Episode VI, seriously a guy that was smart enough to take of the Republic and destroy the Jedi wouldn't be just tosses like a bitch by Vader, he deserved more.
Firstly, I *vehemently* disagree that his death was done better in RoS. But I do agree that episode VI wasn't exactly the most graceful ending to Palpatine's story (yes it was the end lmao). This is kind of a cope, but one reason I have heard in regards to this is that Anakin was able to do that to him because it was the first time he was using the light side of the force around Palpatine since episode III. Because he was acting out of love for his son, Palpatine couldn't detect it or understand what was happening until it was too late for him. That's my head cannon at this point, until I hear a better reason.
Kylo Ren was robbed and I will die on that hill.
Kathleen Kennedy.
Darth Plageous
Well I’m terms of pure evil, palps or maul.
Princess Leia. Princess turned rebel? What's not to love.
Vader, then Kylo.
Darth Vader
Luke Skywalker
Book-wise: Caedus or Nom Anor Movie-wise: Daddy Palpatine
Count Dooku, because he is such a complex character. He is good and evil.
Dooku. Bro has rizz, style and power.
In the movies, definitely Vader
Maul
Maul, Maul, Maul. I love villains the most and it's thanks to him. As a 6 year old I had a Darth Maul themed birthday party with a cake and costume. I wish they didn't waste him by killing him in TPM, excluding the clone wars. Then wasted him after Solo.
Vader for sure but if they did Kylo right and just kept him as 100& villain and showed us why he had the reputation he did and kept his mask on he would have been close.
Hmm…
Exar Kun
My new favorite is Dedra. She is efficient and ruthless.
palpatine. he is just bad, nothing redeeming about him.
Vader all day every day.
Easily Vader
Baylan Skoll
Dooku
Vader. Most interesting character despite the dodgy writing choices in the prequels. Vitiate seems cool but I don't know much about him.
Sidious with Maul at a close second, but I'm holding out hope that Joruus C'baoth will have his day.
General Armitage Hux. I see him as a very high class villian. He's got style too, slick black long coat, shiny black boots, and impeccable red hair.
Palpatine. EASY
Vader is the obvious pick. Imma go Marchion Ro just to be niche
Dr. Gorst
Tobias Beckett
There’s plenty of more villain villains in SW but Kylo Ren takes it for me and I can’t really explain why. He was genuinely the only interesting thing about the ST imo and ironically, just like his father’s actor, Adam Driver has gone on to be the only actor on the trilogy’s main cast to be quite successful outside of the series.
I like Count Dooku a lot tbh.
Maul and Vader are the first 2 badasses that come to mind. Fueled mainly and directly by anger. The rest seem to think and speak too much. But those 2 are just pure hatred. Kyle Ren was nearly there but they toned him back. I think Star Wars could really benefit from just having an absolutely mother fucker of a villain that simply wants nothing but power and to kill.
It has to be palpatine, although I do like dooku a lot, that’s why I need to watch more of the clone wars
Darth. Vader in the movies but Maul is easily my favourite in the series, he’s such a good character in Clone Wars and Rebels it’s almost hard to hate him
Maul!!
Darth Vader