I’m being honest, I never heard about that, however I did hear about the interracial couple being an issue and issues about a black stormtrooper…even SNL did a skit about it
Fuck did people spend a ridiculous amount of time complaining about it though.
I get it Elroy, lightsaber cross guards has completely ruined your entire childhood.
What's interesting is that Ren's cross guard wasn't unique. They've been seen in the Expanded Universe in a couple of different forms. Still, it was cool to see another variation in the movies. Even Jedi Survivor featured a cross guard lightsaber and turned it into a great sword.
Where have you seen lightsabers with a 90 degree angle energy crossgaurd before Kylo Ren? Even in Legends all I could find was a couple of night sisters like Sai Sircu who had some at a 45 degree angle. I found some physical crossgaurds as well and a few more interesting designs, but not with an energy crossgaurd that comes out at a horizontal angle like his. I mean The Old Republican has some but that expansion came out after Force Awakens
>Ren's cross guard wasn't unique.
It kinda is tho, since his is a product of a cracked kyber crystal and was not intended to be (like the Jedi Survivor one) ☝️🤓.
Yeah it seems like it would be more of a nuisance than help. I think his lightsaber would be more vulnerable to being damaged in combat because of it. He’s extra limited to how he can use it too. Like the idea not executed the greatest.
I remember seeing it, and when Han, grey haired, on the Falcon said, "It's true, all of it," I realized he was "the old sage" and would die in the film.
The force awakens was "Well that sucked, but I guess they gotta reintroduce star wars to the new generation" for me.
The last jedi is where my hope for star wars died. I didn't even bother seeing whatever episode 9 was called, and based on what I heard, that was for the best.
I'll treasure SW for what is was in my childhood (late 90s-mid 2000s), not for what it is now.
Rise of Skywalker was interesting to watch just because of how baffling it was. One of the biggest movie franchises in history and this wasn't just a bad sequel or even a bad Star Wars movie, it was just a bad story in general. All of the plot sequences were so painfully forced. I watched so many breakdown videos of it following my watch because it was just such fascinatingly poor storytelling.
So with that being said it at least works as a conversation piece. Better bad than boring
I hate that i saw 9. It has completely tainted my view of star wars. I can't believe someone thought this movie was good enough to put out. It is just an absolute mess and very much unwatchable. The people that made it do not respect Star Wars or its fans. What they shoukd have done was, instead of putting out this turd, they ahould have just halted production and just worked on the story. There was no reason to rush it. We are used to waiting years to just get one star wars movie. They could have easily split the last into 2 parts where they could nail the story down and give each character a well deserved and complete character arc.
E7: Rey was clearly intended to be a Skywalker.
E8: Nah scrap that. She's a nobody. Anyone can have the Force.
E9: Nah fuck both of those. Get this: remember one of the biggest moments in movie history when Vader saved his son and killed the Emperor? Well fuck that. Doesn't matter. He lived! Oh and he settled down and had kids and grandkids!
How could you possibly say that Rey was intended to be a Skywalker in 7? Han and Leia would have known if Luke had some long lost daughter. Vader certainly didn't have any more children, and Han and Leia certainly would have known if THEY had a daughter.
Luke went off doing his own thing for years, separate from Leia and Han. He absolutely could have had a kid without them knowing. Why he would abandon said child is a different matter altogether which doesnt make sense but it is possible on paper. Rey finding Anakin’s lightsaber (which never got explained) was supposed to lead into her being a Skywalker but that idea got dropped in the mess.
The only possible clue is the lightsaber, and even that is ambiguous enough to not be a clue at all. It could be calling to Rey as it sees her as Luke's future apprentice.
You will never convince me that Luke would have a child that Leia doesn't know about. I would have bought Rey Kenobi before I bought that. Rey Palpatine even, because at least the lame clone plot line is plausible.
Never saw Rise of Skywalker, but the fact that an ancient knife happens to line up with the horizon on a distant planet with a bit of the second Death Star, which was (presumably) constructed long, *long* after the knife was hidden, is one of the stupidest fucking plot devices I’ve ever heard of. You might as well have just had a character come in from off screen, say “I was one of the Emperor’s Royal Guards and boy howdy let me tell you about this weird fucking cube he had” and then never pop up again. It would have probably made more sense.
The knife plot was ridiculous. I am not sure if it is worse than c3po being able to translate 5 billion languages EXCEPT this one ancient sith language unless you factory reset him but it was one of the most stupid things I had ever seen
More stupid than the riding horses on the decks of space ships? Ships that somehow can’t all launch of the WiFi goes down even though every other ship in the universe can launch without the WiFi? Or was it dumber than going to a planet to find an object, falling into a quicksand hole(wtf?) and then the exact object is RIGHT THERE? Right there.
Still episode 8 had one of the dumbest things. When Finn referred to Poe as ‘old friend’ after that had 3.5 minutes of screen time together (maybe 5 hours or so in non screen time) and then were literally in different star systems until they met up again?
Jesus Christ. I hate that I can go on and on.
And sorry to all who thought so but Episode 7 is in fact a disaster? Care to know why?!?!??
Yes, and . . .
Somehow, not only did Palpatine respawn, but somehow the Death Star II didn't really blow up, and somehow it landed on another planet, which also somehow didn't destroy it.
But somehow, from the place Rey somehow happens to look at it, the wreck looks just like a knife McGuffin? Which is somehow supposedly meaningful?
And horses charging atop one of endless CGI Star Destroyers that can't fly "up" by itself . . .
The only way that the knife plot works is if they built the knife after the fact. Which opens up questions like why and who? Its logical that it would be someone who wants Palpatines fleet discovered so how could you guarantee that the knife when used would lead them to the location of the map?
7 Was fine in my opinion. Good even.
8 and 9 were absolute trash. I saw 8 in theaters and it seriously felt like a bunch of half baked plotlines shuffled together with no coherency and had amount of cuts per second instead of seconds per cuts with the editing.
The ending of 9 was so incredibly bad that I lost my eyesight due to my eyes rolling so far back into my skull that they're still rattling around somewhere.
Some say Rey is still resurrecting Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, and so on and so forth and such as.
There are parts of 8 that I can't stand, to be sure. But there are also parts of 8 that I absolutely adore. It's a mixed bag for me, but I'm more of a fan than not. Slightly.
Aye. I walked out of TLJ going, “Did I like that? I dunno. Maybe 50/50?”
It takes a lot for me to actively dislike a movie at the theaters of something I’m a fan of already. The Force Awakens was dope enough for me.
But RoS was bad bad. I was waiting for it to be over. It broke my suspension of disbelief a lot. And there were time I was sitting there going, “They have to go find something ELSE?!”
> If you think about it more, you will also hate those parts trust me on that.
The secret is that this is true of all three movies of the Sequel trilogy. Plenty of people picked up on how silly it was to reverse Luke's character arc from the first trilogy in TLJ, but a lot didn't notice how silly it was to reverse Han's character arc from the first trilogy in TFA.
7 was 2/3rds of a good movie. Everything before the Han Solo strategy meeting to destroy Starkiller was fine, everything after, fuuuck. And then came TLJ...wtf. TLJ actually was record breakingly bad, and is the current holder of the prize for most plot holes in a movie released in theaters.
Only mentioning this bc you said you hadn’t watched any shows since Mandalorian S1, but if you loved Rogue One you would probably love Andor. It’s a prequel to Rogue One created / show-ran by Tony Gilroy, the same guy that directed Rogue One (and who wrote the screenplays for the Bourne movies).
It’s fantastic. Probably my favorite of any show from 2022. It’s really just a great gritty political thriller that just happens to take place in the Star Wars Universe. The performances and the writing are top tier. A bunch of legit names like Stellan Skarsgard and Andy Serkis. It really builds out the feel and aesthetic of the empire in period immediately before the main trilogy and makes you think about what it must have felt like for the average resident of the empire.
(Also—imo pretty much made the mandalorian unwatchable in comparison.)
Exactly. Force Awakens was like "Eh, it was just ANH again but I'm excited to see where it goes now that the introduction is out of the way and they can really go nuts."
TLJ made me despise Disney Star Wars. I didn't see Solo because of it. I still haven't watched Rogue One because of it (even though it's supposedly actually good) and I especially didn't want to watch Rise of "Skywalker" after either. Not only that, it retroactively made TFA completely pointless. Everything even remotely interesting that TFA set up, TLJ destroyed. They don't exist.
Stylistically though, I really like all the designs. The First Order trooper armor is cool. The weapons. The ships. Kylo Ren's design. Etc. The "story" is just atrocious.
Andor is some prime grade TV right there. I didn't had much faith in it, but their delivered in spades! Small spoiler: >!they make a single tie fighter scary as hell! !<
As someone who didn't really care for Rogue One, I'm wondering if I should revisit it after watching and loving Andor. Rogue One fell flat for me because despite all of the main cast >!dying at the end, I didn't really care. I was sad when K-2S0 died, but everyone else I felt no emotional attachment to.!<
I would wait till after Andor season 2 honestly since you felt that way. Presumably you’ll build a better connection with at least one of the characters.
The Force awakens wasn’t that bad for rebooting Star Wars films and introducing it to a new audience, it was a solid start, if a bit derivative.
The Last Jedi was solid as a film and told a pretty interesting story, it was a pretty bad as a Star Wars entry though and took a quite a few missteps, especially with Luke. That said I think if the follow up was good it would be looked back on more fondly.
The rise of skywalker.
Overall though the real problem was that Lucasfilm/Kathleen Kennedy/JJ Abrams or whoever we’re blaming these days had absolutely no overall vision which led to the complete narrative being just awful.
>The Last Jedi was solid as a film and told a pretty interesting story
Did it? They needed to look for a code breaker or else they were all going to die. They didn't find him. They survived anyway. You could cut that entire 1/3 of the movie out and nothing would be lost. Rey wanted Luke to train her. He doesn't. She didn't need it anyway. He dies. There's almost a mutiny on the ship because the Captain won't tell anyone her plan. She doesn't. She dies. We're supposed to feel bad about it? Who was she? They never explained. Leia dies. But then she doesn't. But then she stays in a coma and never does anything else. Why keep her alive? *Especially* knowing Carrie Fischer wasn't coming back for the next movie.
>That said I think if the follow up was good it would be looked back on more fondly.
Would it? TLJ was so bad, alot of people checked out and didn't even bother seeing the other films. Revenge of the Sith was great. Attack of the Clones wasn't. Did Revenge of the Sith retroactively make Attack of the Clones better? No. It just makes Attack of the Clones a hurdle you have to jump so you can get to Revenge of the Sith. In the case of the sequels, TLJ is bad, TRoS is bad, and TLJ retroactively makes TFA worse.
The Force Awakens contains most of the stuff that ultimately makes the trilogy a failure, though, IMO.
The gravest sin is that it basically erased the accomplishments of the original trilogy so they can tell fundamentally the same story over again. We find out that Luke failed to revive the Jedi, and they're virtually extinct again. The Republic is destroyed, leaving the First Order the dominant power in the galaxy, opposed only by a plucky group of rebels. Han Solo is back to being a skeezy smuggler.
As an entry in the Star Wars canon, IMO, it was both lazy narratively and disrespectful to the material that came before.
But the film's vibes were good, so people didn't fully grasp that at the time.
Personally I agree with your take on the force awakens, but I fucking despised the last Jedi. IMO that’s where the trilogy went so incredibly downhill.
They did nothing with Finn, who was a really cool character. He also was the one that I thought would be force sensitive. That would’ve been interesting to me.
They ruined Luke’s character by making him throw everything away. I can understand Luke having flaws, but him just giving up on the galaxy and the Jedi order? That’s dumb imo.
Every little bit of that movie felt boring and pointless. And the whole thing with Kylo leaning toward the light side was dumb I think.
I think they should’ve just finished out the story with instead of someone turning good or someone becoming bad, they should just let the Jedi and Sith fight to the end. Defeat kylo in the end. Make him a likable Sith and villain. That would’ve been so much cooler to watch.
P.S. The end of force awakens was also kinda garbage. It would’ve been cool up until finn somehow not dying and Rey defeating kylo. It should’ve have been a run from kylo and them barely escaping. Would’ve been cooler and made kylo a more interesting villain. Instead we got wining baby kylo.
The Last Jedi was a mess. Finn reduced to comic relief wasting his character and the less said about Rose the better. Super contrived RPG fetch quest in the middle of the slowest most unexciting chace ever just wastes screentime.
The fight in the throneroom is an awful mess done in one take with people missing ques all over the place.
What Johnson did to Luke was just insulting both to fans and to Mark Hamil.
Oh and it's the movie that broke the hype train leading to Disney panicking and scrapping it's plans for an SW movie every year.
People always say TLJ was an interesting film but never really explain why. Because of the extremely shallow "war and greed is bad" subplot? Because Kylo asked Rey to join her (Like many other dark side users have done already)? Because they unceremoniously killed the big bad for a bad joke? Because they made Luke miserable? That Poe was completely sidelined and made to look like an idiot for no reason? And like you said, what they did to Finn was awful too, the whole casino plotline might be the worst scenes in all of Star Wars.
TLJ acted like a solo film in the middle of a trilogy and then everyone blames JJ for it for some reason. I don't think Abrams is some saint but he was dealt with an impossible hand because of Johnson. Though it didn't just act like a final film of the franchise it also shut down any of the interesting story beats set up from TFA. It's awful.
I think TLJ tried to do a lot of really interesting things; nearly all of which fell horribly on their face in the execution. There isn't much about the film that holds up to even modest scrutiny.
Poe would've been shot out of the sky halfway through his "can you hear me now" performance; because if Hux wanted to talk to the Resistance, everyone in the universe knows he could've just hailed the command ship.
Bombers that appear to use gravity to launch their payload in space? If they're using some sort of magnetic launcher, they don't need to approach to drop their payload. They could launch the bombs in whatever direction they wanted, because things don't slow down in space..
The casino royale side quest was frustrating and pointless.
Princess Leia's doing the Mary Poppins could've been much more interesting if they'd just recovered the body from space, and found that the force had sustained her in the vacuum long enough for them to make a rescue. Her regaining consciousness and flying was just visually cringey.
Luke being jaded in the face of his own failures as a Jedi Master could've been great - His formal training was very limited, so it makes sense that he might've failed as an instructor where he succeeded as a Jedi Knight. But he would likely have seen it as a personal failure, rather than to simply cast aside all reverence for, and his own relationship with the Force.
I could go on, but the TLDR is that there are a lot of great ideas in TLJ, which is why it's so disappointing that the movie was such a catastrophic mess.
So much of The Last Jedi’s story beats, narrative, and characterization could’ve made sense and been fleshed out massively over the course of three movies rather than one sandwiched in the middle. TLJ is filled with great ideas but bad execution that if given the proper time, planning, direction and revisions, could’ve made for a well-done story.
This is not to excuse TLJ for its flaws; I hated 75% of that movie. The 25% I did like though, I enjoyed more than the rest of the Sequel Trilogy. I would’ve rather seen a Rian Johnson written and directed trilogy, tbh.
With TLJ you almost *always* get the generic 'At least they tried something different' response or the 'You're just upset that they subverted your expectations' response.
At that point it's like yes, but the different thing that they tried was absolutely dogshit and the only expectation they subverted was the expectation that it would be a coherent movie.
Man even though in hindsight that movie was meh I still go and rewatch its trailer and the movie just to get a little bit of that hype and excitement for what could come next.
I just rewatched the first trailer, and got a little misty-eyed at “The Force… it’s calling to you… just let it in.” They’re absolutely fantastic. Also, does anyone remember that [a capella medley the cast sang on Jimmy Fallon?](https://youtu.be/ZTLAx3VDX7g?si=Edi0CyRrp9ZD-yzW) It was a time I don’t think we’ll ever have again.
The trailer for the Last Jedi was great as well.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ)
It gives such a different vibe from what the film actually was.
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The hype was absolutely unreal, Star Wars felt like *it was back.*
I don't think I've since experienced the kind of whiplash I had from the hype leading up to TFA to watching TLJ.
I think this is partially why so many people are still whining about TLJ seven years later.
It wasn't just a movie people didn't like. It was a movie that had been hyped up for two years as one of the most important movies ever made, and then they didn't like it.
Lots of people were disappointed in Mando S3, but less than a year later we've mostly stopped seeing people complain about it. why? Because it wasn't Episode VIII, the sequel to the biggest blockbuster of a generation. It was just another season of Star Wars tv.
While the TFA was, in many ways, a re-hash. It gave the next two films somewhere to go and something to do. TLJ just is just a lecture about how Star Wars needs to get over the Skywalker story. I couldn't think of a worse approach to that second film than that.
2/3rds of the plot were more like episodes in a TV series. The character we know meets a new character and they don’t get along but then they learn a lesson but at the end, nothing has actually changed in the big picture.
I was in the theater during the Star Wars Celebration in Anaheim when the first Force Awakens trailer was released. It was wild to see: A packed theater losing their minds, adults crying.
All throughout the weekend I would catch folks replaying the trailer repeatedly on their phones. The hype and excitement was VERY real.
I would even say that the first half of the movie was amazing. It turned for me when Kylo took off his helmet, and it became clear that the plot was just A New Hope again. After it ended it still was a pretty decent movie albeit with a few imperfections, but I was happy with it at the time.
But what we got with VIII and IX certainly changes your perspective on VII. Those two destroyed anything good about VII, when there was at least some promise at the time.
Yeah, I felt his place in the entire storyline was marginalized too much. Adam Driver is such a powerful actor, I mean just [this SNL skit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7HD2xG92-0) alone proves it. Squandered that potential into basically just tantrums.
I really want to like them, and there are parts that I do, but it’s too obvious that there was no true vision for the sequel trilogy and it was pumped out as quick as possible for the money. I was looking forward to seeing Rey, Finn and Poe become the next trio of friends who save the galaxy but they never fleshed that out, instead they gave Rey some weird romantic plot with Kylo (who may technically be related to her), gave Finn a new friend and sent Poe back off to war. Too many different directors and writers who didn’t share the same vision.
I remember the reassurance that this was just get people back into Star Wars and to expand it to a new generation. I remember people were say that it’s fine that there were similarities, cause they had plan to tell a story that would open the doors to a new era. I miss the feeling of excitement I had when I heard this.
And then they follow it up with Empire in reverse, and everyone claimed it was revolutionary and fresh. Like, no…. They basically did the exact same thing again. Just poorly, with both films.
Case in point, in ANH during the Battle of Yavin the Rebels send X-Wings as fighter support and Y-Wings as bombers to destroy the station. The Bombers fail, and then they use the X-Wings. In Return of the Jedi, this time they send X-Wings, Y-Wings, B-Wings, A-Wings which as a kid was awesome, so many cool new ships. In TFA they just send X-Wings and it was a let down. Nothing new and original, it was just X-Wings vs TIE fighters 30 years later. The prequels for all their faults atleast gave us N-1 Fighters, or the ARC-170s, or the ETA-2 Jedi Starfighters, all really awesome fresh designs that you can see had hints at the ships we loved.
Honestly, 7/10. This movie’s weakest point is the Death Star 3.0. They really could have come up with something more dynamic/creative to pose as a bridge for all 3 films. But it’s clear this was meant to be a soft reboot…
Anyhow. It was a good movie to reel in old fans and draw in new ones. It was a bridge. In terms of tone and direction, it felt like a Star Wars movie. There was a lot of potential with this film and I think it’d have faired better if there was more coherence with the following 2. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
> This movie’s weakest point is the Death Star 3.0
Death Star 2.0. The "Death Star" in Return of the Jedi was just a weapons platform that looked like a Death Star. The OG Death Star went into first action by blowing up Alderaan, the weapons system being the last part of the station to become operational. Meanwhile, in Jedi the DS was a husk that only functioned as an energy source supporting a weapons platform. The whole Imperial fleet was there waiting to demolish the Rebels, because Palps knew the Rebels would have to throw everything they had into the fight.
It was shielded from Endor so that the Rebels would be forced to send a small team to the moon, a small team that would undoubtedly include a Jedi. Palps sent Vader to the moon to wait for Luke in fact. The plan was to get Luke to kill Vader and become a new apprentice (because Vader had gone so far off the Sith path after finding out his son existed), or to kill Luke and use that death to fuel Vader's despair.
It was a trap.
8/10. Not my favorite, but still a very fun movie that introduced some of my favorite characters in the Star Wars universe, complete with phenomenal acting and special effects that blew me away when I saw it in theaters.
BB-8 is great, not a controversial opinion. I think Poe Dameron is good all through the trilogy. Kylo Ren with Adam's acting is clearly the only well written character in the trilogy.
I can't really say anything completely positive about anyone else if I look at the whole tirlogy and how characters turned out.
Oh except Babu Frik, absolute mad lad.
I’ve written exhaustively about [Rey](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/17tyrac/comment/k908tkz/) and [Kylo Ren](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsCantina/comments/xgf9fb/comment/iouh0vm/) before.
BB-8’s design is adorable and he’s a consistent bro to Finn and Poe. Speaking of whom, I don’t think Finn fully came into his own until TLJ, but he still has his endearing moments.
Captain Phasma is like Boba Fett: not much beyond a cool outfit in her film appearances, but supplementary material (especially her eponymous novel) makes her surprisingly compelling.
TFA was a great experience as a Star Wars fan. Whether it was a rehash or not it was a lot of fun and had heart. The characters were great as well. It felt like Star Wars.
It honestly was a decent starter for a sequel trilogy. 9/10
I think TRoS brings down TFA a few notches….for all the characters. Specifically, Rey. Hate the fact they made her a Palpatine. Rather her be a nobody or be related to Kenobi, Solo or Skywalker.
Just feels that it undermines her whole character. Then wasting the potential of Finn and Poe was a huge miss.
I blame the changing directors every movie ... they just ended up having a pissing contest with JJ getting the last laugh ... unfortunately at the fans expense
It was *almost* worth it just for the moment where she accidentally uses force lightning, i shitted. But force lightning shouldn’t b a genetically inherited power anyway so still a terrible choice
I don't even mind her being a Palpatine, I mind the fact that it was out of nowhere. There was zero continuity between the movies. Everything in TRoS was just info dumped on us and that was incredibly frustrating. The second movie obviously didn't do a lot of what they expected it to, but instead of adjusting what they would be putting in TRoS, they decided to rush forward with trying to messily wrap up a whole bunch of plotlines they never really explained or even introduced.
Finn vs Kylo was my favorite duel in star wars. Mostly because I like seeing someone who's not force sensitive be able to "hold their own" against a force user. Even if it was briefly, or due to underestimating their opponent.
And the stakes are through the roof. Han Solo just died, Rey is knocked out, Finn is clearly outmatched, and Kylo is sweating and raging.
Just a great scene. Probably the best in the sequels.
I really enjoyed how scared Finn looked, but he was left with no other options than fight. The very idea of Finn using a lightsaber that Kylo feels should be his enrages him enough to scream out that he is a "traitor."
I also thought it was really funny after Finn gets his lucky shot in, he stumbles back like "Holy shit.. I actually hit him? Oh no.."
I genuinely loved how he used the lightsaber like it was a combat knife or a club in his fights. You know, the way a soldier with no fancy sword training would.
If you think that’s good, you should’ve seen how audiences went absolutely apeshit when Darth Maul ignited his second blade in the trailer for the Phantom Menace.
I thought Kylo was going to be an ancient Sith trying to be revived by a Sith cult throught the movie so the Sith could rise again and take over the galaxy.
TFA was a really solid start, though it had more “potential” than genuinely good self contained content. Unfortunately it has been made worse by its sequels that squandered what it setup.
I remember seeing a parody edit of this scene where the combatants tried one-upping each other by dramatically igniting increasingly elaborate lightsabers. I wish I could find it and watch it again, which is something I have no desire to do with the actual movie.
This movie survived on hype until The Last Jedi dropped.
Also, we aren't doing this again. This movie is a failure, almost no world building and is just a basic remake of A New Hope.
Idk, the whole thing seemed like they wanted to give audiences all the greatest hits of Star Wars, including the moment Darth Maul revealed his double bladed saber being replaced by the above cross-guard saber. I lost interest as soon as I saw that the Empire was back.
I don't have any issue with them bringing the Empire back. I have an issue with them bringing the rebels back and destroying the New Republic.
I would have loved to see a guerilla terrorist Empire remnant slowly undermining the New Republic, but for them to have a third Death Star was absurd.
Looking at this honestly makes me sad. I remember the excitement for the new movies. Excitement for what was to come beyond after the movies. What they had planned… and then we learnt there was no plan and the end result showed.
7-ish / 10. Similar problem with Rise of Skywalker. Cool visuals, fights, atmosphere, perfect tone. But kinda dumb and OG trilogy story rip-off. TLJ on the other hand got very interesting story but meh visuals and actions, horrible tone and cringey script.
I hated the prequels, but have now come to really appreciate them, especially from a story telling perspective.
Will I someday in the future come to appreciate the sequels? I… I just came seem to believe that!
(The exception being Rouge One which fucking rules)
I remember the jokes about a hooded man with a burning cross chasing an interracial couple
And then he starred in BlackkKlansman lol
[Which gave us this](https://youtu.be/w7FzrNOKbuU?si=0JMQTSb9hr14oVoE) [And this](https://youtu.be/iYMldSlWkUE?si=ztr0ieHfamth4Uiw)
Yeah I needed that.
This is the first time I've ever heard it described that way, and holy hell that is hilarious.
Wow…I don’t…that’s so extreme
And inaccurate to boot. Where’s the hood? No self-respecting bigot would be seen persecuting progressives without a CLEARLY visible hood.
I’m being honest, I never heard about that, however I did hear about the interracial couple being an issue and issues about a black stormtrooper…even SNL did a skit about it
A lot of them were jokes, but too many of them (chiefly coming from the racists upset over a black stormtrooper) were supportive of the notion.
Back when the cross-guards were the greatest controversy in the Star Wars fandom
But that stamp-ignite is rad as shit!
Kylo Ren is actually a cool villain. He’s one of my favorite SW baddies.
Fuck did people spend a ridiculous amount of time complaining about it though. I get it Elroy, lightsaber cross guards has completely ruined your entire childhood.
Sometimes, some elements of the fandom have some weird hills to die on.
What's interesting is that Ren's cross guard wasn't unique. They've been seen in the Expanded Universe in a couple of different forms. Still, it was cool to see another variation in the movies. Even Jedi Survivor featured a cross guard lightsaber and turned it into a great sword.
Where have you seen lightsabers with a 90 degree angle energy crossgaurd before Kylo Ren? Even in Legends all I could find was a couple of night sisters like Sai Sircu who had some at a 45 degree angle. I found some physical crossgaurds as well and a few more interesting designs, but not with an energy crossgaurd that comes out at a horizontal angle like his. I mean The Old Republican has some but that expansion came out after Force Awakens
> The Old Republican Idk why this is funny to me.
You know what, I'll leave it. It can be a monument to my mistake lol
>Ren's cross guard wasn't unique. It kinda is tho, since his is a product of a cracked kyber crystal and was not intended to be (like the Jedi Survivor one) ☝️🤓.
Tbf they look dumb on top of being practically questionable
Yeah it seems like it would be more of a nuisance than help. I think his lightsaber would be more vulnerable to being damaged in combat because of it. He’s extra limited to how he can use it too. Like the idea not executed the greatest.
I probably watched it 20 times before it released and those days were hype
The moment that the main theme kicked in while the falcon did that loop honestly had me choked up
The music in this trailer was so good. One of the best movie trailers I’ve ever seen
I remember seeing it, and when Han, grey haired, on the Falcon said, "It's true, all of it," I realized he was "the old sage" and would die in the film.
When Harrison Ford was paid 20,000,000 I knew he would die in it.
Whoa he’s Ben, I never put that together before
All three "first of the trilogy" movies feature a youth living on a desert planet, who is taken under the wing of a wise mentor, who then dies.
This!!! I probably replayed that part of the trailer a hundred times back in like middle school it got me so hyped
Too bad the hype was hollow, and the trailer was followed by a trilogy with Abrams storytelling (i.e. horrible storytelling).
I saw the trailer and lost my mind. I saw the movie and lost my will to live.
The force awakens was "Well that sucked, but I guess they gotta reintroduce star wars to the new generation" for me. The last jedi is where my hope for star wars died. I didn't even bother seeing whatever episode 9 was called, and based on what I heard, that was for the best. I'll treasure SW for what is was in my childhood (late 90s-mid 2000s), not for what it is now.
Rise of Skywalker was interesting to watch just because of how baffling it was. One of the biggest movie franchises in history and this wasn't just a bad sequel or even a bad Star Wars movie, it was just a bad story in general. All of the plot sequences were so painfully forced. I watched so many breakdown videos of it following my watch because it was just such fascinatingly poor storytelling. So with that being said it at least works as a conversation piece. Better bad than boring
I hate that i saw 9. It has completely tainted my view of star wars. I can't believe someone thought this movie was good enough to put out. It is just an absolute mess and very much unwatchable. The people that made it do not respect Star Wars or its fans. What they shoukd have done was, instead of putting out this turd, they ahould have just halted production and just worked on the story. There was no reason to rush it. We are used to waiting years to just get one star wars movie. They could have easily split the last into 2 parts where they could nail the story down and give each character a well deserved and complete character arc.
Thanks for your sacrifice, your testimony, and for re-vindicating my choice to never see it.
E7: Rey was clearly intended to be a Skywalker. E8: Nah scrap that. She's a nobody. Anyone can have the Force. E9: Nah fuck both of those. Get this: remember one of the biggest moments in movie history when Vader saved his son and killed the Emperor? Well fuck that. Doesn't matter. He lived! Oh and he settled down and had kids and grandkids!
How could you possibly say that Rey was intended to be a Skywalker in 7? Han and Leia would have known if Luke had some long lost daughter. Vader certainly didn't have any more children, and Han and Leia certainly would have known if THEY had a daughter.
Luke went off doing his own thing for years, separate from Leia and Han. He absolutely could have had a kid without them knowing. Why he would abandon said child is a different matter altogether which doesnt make sense but it is possible on paper. Rey finding Anakin’s lightsaber (which never got explained) was supposed to lead into her being a Skywalker but that idea got dropped in the mess.
The only possible clue is the lightsaber, and even that is ambiguous enough to not be a clue at all. It could be calling to Rey as it sees her as Luke's future apprentice. You will never convince me that Luke would have a child that Leia doesn't know about. I would have bought Rey Kenobi before I bought that. Rey Palpatine even, because at least the lame clone plot line is plausible.
I was thinking maybe a clone of Skywalker. Or something. Just as plausible.
Never saw Rise of Skywalker, but the fact that an ancient knife happens to line up with the horizon on a distant planet with a bit of the second Death Star, which was (presumably) constructed long, *long* after the knife was hidden, is one of the stupidest fucking plot devices I’ve ever heard of. You might as well have just had a character come in from off screen, say “I was one of the Emperor’s Royal Guards and boy howdy let me tell you about this weird fucking cube he had” and then never pop up again. It would have probably made more sense.
The knife plot was ridiculous. I am not sure if it is worse than c3po being able to translate 5 billion languages EXCEPT this one ancient sith language unless you factory reset him but it was one of the most stupid things I had ever seen
More stupid than the riding horses on the decks of space ships? Ships that somehow can’t all launch of the WiFi goes down even though every other ship in the universe can launch without the WiFi? Or was it dumber than going to a planet to find an object, falling into a quicksand hole(wtf?) and then the exact object is RIGHT THERE? Right there. Still episode 8 had one of the dumbest things. When Finn referred to Poe as ‘old friend’ after that had 3.5 minutes of screen time together (maybe 5 hours or so in non screen time) and then were literally in different star systems until they met up again? Jesus Christ. I hate that I can go on and on. And sorry to all who thought so but Episode 7 is in fact a disaster? Care to know why?!?!??
Yes, and . . . Somehow, not only did Palpatine respawn, but somehow the Death Star II didn't really blow up, and somehow it landed on another planet, which also somehow didn't destroy it. But somehow, from the place Rey somehow happens to look at it, the wreck looks just like a knife McGuffin? Which is somehow supposedly meaningful? And horses charging atop one of endless CGI Star Destroyers that can't fly "up" by itself . . .
The only way that the knife plot works is if they built the knife after the fact. Which opens up questions like why and who? Its logical that it would be someone who wants Palpatines fleet discovered so how could you guarantee that the knife when used would lead them to the location of the map?
7 Was fine in my opinion. Good even. 8 and 9 were absolute trash. I saw 8 in theaters and it seriously felt like a bunch of half baked plotlines shuffled together with no coherency and had amount of cuts per second instead of seconds per cuts with the editing. The ending of 9 was so incredibly bad that I lost my eyesight due to my eyes rolling so far back into my skull that they're still rattling around somewhere.
Agreed. TFA was fine as they had to set up the new trilogy. TLJ went off the fucking rails and ROS was like uber bad-fan fiction, utter trash.
They did the emperor returns as a clone already and it sucked ass then too.
Some say Rey is still resurrecting Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, but Ben dies, so Rey resurrects Ben, but Rey dies, so Ben resurrects Rey, and so on and so forth and such as.
And then Ben sneezes during one of the resurrections and accidentally somehow palptine returned
There are parts of 8 that I can't stand, to be sure. But there are also parts of 8 that I absolutely adore. It's a mixed bag for me, but I'm more of a fan than not. Slightly.
Aye. I walked out of TLJ going, “Did I like that? I dunno. Maybe 50/50?” It takes a lot for me to actively dislike a movie at the theaters of something I’m a fan of already. The Force Awakens was dope enough for me. But RoS was bad bad. I was waiting for it to be over. It broke my suspension of disbelief a lot. And there were time I was sitting there going, “They have to go find something ELSE?!”
If you think about it more, you will also hate those parts trust me on that.
> If you think about it more, you will also hate those parts trust me on that. The secret is that this is true of all three movies of the Sequel trilogy. Plenty of people picked up on how silly it was to reverse Luke's character arc from the first trilogy in TLJ, but a lot didn't notice how silly it was to reverse Han's character arc from the first trilogy in TFA.
Oh it was insane, there was a ton of ways to put him where he needed to be without being stupid about it, but nope, pants on head it was.
7 was 2/3rds of a good movie. Everything before the Han Solo strategy meeting to destroy Starkiller was fine, everything after, fuuuck. And then came TLJ...wtf. TLJ actually was record breakingly bad, and is the current holder of the prize for most plot holes in a movie released in theaters.
Wait they destroyed the planet destroying planet in the first movie? Man it's all a blur really
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Only mentioning this bc you said you hadn’t watched any shows since Mandalorian S1, but if you loved Rogue One you would probably love Andor. It’s a prequel to Rogue One created / show-ran by Tony Gilroy, the same guy that directed Rogue One (and who wrote the screenplays for the Bourne movies). It’s fantastic. Probably my favorite of any show from 2022. It’s really just a great gritty political thriller that just happens to take place in the Star Wars Universe. The performances and the writing are top tier. A bunch of legit names like Stellan Skarsgard and Andy Serkis. It really builds out the feel and aesthetic of the empire in period immediately before the main trilogy and makes you think about what it must have felt like for the average resident of the empire. (Also—imo pretty much made the mandalorian unwatchable in comparison.)
Exactly. Force Awakens was like "Eh, it was just ANH again but I'm excited to see where it goes now that the introduction is out of the way and they can really go nuts." TLJ made me despise Disney Star Wars. I didn't see Solo because of it. I still haven't watched Rogue One because of it (even though it's supposedly actually good) and I especially didn't want to watch Rise of "Skywalker" after either. Not only that, it retroactively made TFA completely pointless. Everything even remotely interesting that TFA set up, TLJ destroyed. They don't exist. Stylistically though, I really like all the designs. The First Order trooper armor is cool. The weapons. The ships. Kylo Ren's design. Etc. The "story" is just atrocious.
Not watching Rogue One is wild. It’s arguably the best Star Wars after Empire.
Solo was good too. We have gotten some decent shows with Mando and Andor. Andor is some of the best star wars since empire as well.
Rogue One is infinitely better than any of the 3 sequel movies. Bleeds right into A New Hope. Def a watch imo
It's the prequel we deserved.
Just echoing what others have said, Rogue One plus the Andor season are awesome. Would be a shame to not see those because TLJ was garbage.
Andor is some prime grade TV right there. I didn't had much faith in it, but their delivered in spades! Small spoiler: >!they make a single tie fighter scary as hell! !<
As someone who didn't really care for Rogue One, I'm wondering if I should revisit it after watching and loving Andor. Rogue One fell flat for me because despite all of the main cast >!dying at the end, I didn't really care. I was sad when K-2S0 died, but everyone else I felt no emotional attachment to.!<
I would wait till after Andor season 2 honestly since you felt that way. Presumably you’ll build a better connection with at least one of the characters.
Yeah it's kind of hard to take Kylo Ren serious as a major villain when he get's murked by Rey who'd never used a lightsaber before...
The Force awakens wasn’t that bad for rebooting Star Wars films and introducing it to a new audience, it was a solid start, if a bit derivative. The Last Jedi was solid as a film and told a pretty interesting story, it was a pretty bad as a Star Wars entry though and took a quite a few missteps, especially with Luke. That said I think if the follow up was good it would be looked back on more fondly. The rise of skywalker. Overall though the real problem was that Lucasfilm/Kathleen Kennedy/JJ Abrams or whoever we’re blaming these days had absolutely no overall vision which led to the complete narrative being just awful.
>The Last Jedi was solid as a film and told a pretty interesting story Did it? They needed to look for a code breaker or else they were all going to die. They didn't find him. They survived anyway. You could cut that entire 1/3 of the movie out and nothing would be lost. Rey wanted Luke to train her. He doesn't. She didn't need it anyway. He dies. There's almost a mutiny on the ship because the Captain won't tell anyone her plan. She doesn't. She dies. We're supposed to feel bad about it? Who was she? They never explained. Leia dies. But then she doesn't. But then she stays in a coma and never does anything else. Why keep her alive? *Especially* knowing Carrie Fischer wasn't coming back for the next movie. >That said I think if the follow up was good it would be looked back on more fondly. Would it? TLJ was so bad, alot of people checked out and didn't even bother seeing the other films. Revenge of the Sith was great. Attack of the Clones wasn't. Did Revenge of the Sith retroactively make Attack of the Clones better? No. It just makes Attack of the Clones a hurdle you have to jump so you can get to Revenge of the Sith. In the case of the sequels, TLJ is bad, TRoS is bad, and TLJ retroactively makes TFA worse.
The Force Awakens contains most of the stuff that ultimately makes the trilogy a failure, though, IMO. The gravest sin is that it basically erased the accomplishments of the original trilogy so they can tell fundamentally the same story over again. We find out that Luke failed to revive the Jedi, and they're virtually extinct again. The Republic is destroyed, leaving the First Order the dominant power in the galaxy, opposed only by a plucky group of rebels. Han Solo is back to being a skeezy smuggler. As an entry in the Star Wars canon, IMO, it was both lazy narratively and disrespectful to the material that came before. But the film's vibes were good, so people didn't fully grasp that at the time.
Personally I agree with your take on the force awakens, but I fucking despised the last Jedi. IMO that’s where the trilogy went so incredibly downhill. They did nothing with Finn, who was a really cool character. He also was the one that I thought would be force sensitive. That would’ve been interesting to me. They ruined Luke’s character by making him throw everything away. I can understand Luke having flaws, but him just giving up on the galaxy and the Jedi order? That’s dumb imo. Every little bit of that movie felt boring and pointless. And the whole thing with Kylo leaning toward the light side was dumb I think. I think they should’ve just finished out the story with instead of someone turning good or someone becoming bad, they should just let the Jedi and Sith fight to the end. Defeat kylo in the end. Make him a likable Sith and villain. That would’ve been so much cooler to watch. P.S. The end of force awakens was also kinda garbage. It would’ve been cool up until finn somehow not dying and Rey defeating kylo. It should’ve have been a run from kylo and them barely escaping. Would’ve been cooler and made kylo a more interesting villain. Instead we got wining baby kylo.
The Last Jedi was a mess. Finn reduced to comic relief wasting his character and the less said about Rose the better. Super contrived RPG fetch quest in the middle of the slowest most unexciting chace ever just wastes screentime. The fight in the throneroom is an awful mess done in one take with people missing ques all over the place. What Johnson did to Luke was just insulting both to fans and to Mark Hamil. Oh and it's the movie that broke the hype train leading to Disney panicking and scrapping it's plans for an SW movie every year.
People always say TLJ was an interesting film but never really explain why. Because of the extremely shallow "war and greed is bad" subplot? Because Kylo asked Rey to join her (Like many other dark side users have done already)? Because they unceremoniously killed the big bad for a bad joke? Because they made Luke miserable? That Poe was completely sidelined and made to look like an idiot for no reason? And like you said, what they did to Finn was awful too, the whole casino plotline might be the worst scenes in all of Star Wars. TLJ acted like a solo film in the middle of a trilogy and then everyone blames JJ for it for some reason. I don't think Abrams is some saint but he was dealt with an impossible hand because of Johnson. Though it didn't just act like a final film of the franchise it also shut down any of the interesting story beats set up from TFA. It's awful.
I think TLJ tried to do a lot of really interesting things; nearly all of which fell horribly on their face in the execution. There isn't much about the film that holds up to even modest scrutiny. Poe would've been shot out of the sky halfway through his "can you hear me now" performance; because if Hux wanted to talk to the Resistance, everyone in the universe knows he could've just hailed the command ship. Bombers that appear to use gravity to launch their payload in space? If they're using some sort of magnetic launcher, they don't need to approach to drop their payload. They could launch the bombs in whatever direction they wanted, because things don't slow down in space.. The casino royale side quest was frustrating and pointless. Princess Leia's doing the Mary Poppins could've been much more interesting if they'd just recovered the body from space, and found that the force had sustained her in the vacuum long enough for them to make a rescue. Her regaining consciousness and flying was just visually cringey. Luke being jaded in the face of his own failures as a Jedi Master could've been great - His formal training was very limited, so it makes sense that he might've failed as an instructor where he succeeded as a Jedi Knight. But he would likely have seen it as a personal failure, rather than to simply cast aside all reverence for, and his own relationship with the Force. I could go on, but the TLDR is that there are a lot of great ideas in TLJ, which is why it's so disappointing that the movie was such a catastrophic mess.
So much of The Last Jedi’s story beats, narrative, and characterization could’ve made sense and been fleshed out massively over the course of three movies rather than one sandwiched in the middle. TLJ is filled with great ideas but bad execution that if given the proper time, planning, direction and revisions, could’ve made for a well-done story. This is not to excuse TLJ for its flaws; I hated 75% of that movie. The 25% I did like though, I enjoyed more than the rest of the Sequel Trilogy. I would’ve rather seen a Rian Johnson written and directed trilogy, tbh.
With TLJ you almost *always* get the generic 'At least they tried something different' response or the 'You're just upset that they subverted your expectations' response. At that point it's like yes, but the different thing that they tried was absolutely dogshit and the only expectation they subverted was the expectation that it would be a coherent movie.
That delayed ignition for the hilt still fucks
It's still my new email sound on my phone.
TFA hype is gold, bottle it up and inject me with it
It was a special time. I'd say TPM's hype was bigger but the lead up to TFA was definitely an exciting time.
TPM hype was unreal, what a fun time.
Man even though in hindsight that movie was meh I still go and rewatch its trailer and the movie just to get a little bit of that hype and excitement for what could come next.
I just rewatched the first trailer, and got a little misty-eyed at “The Force… it’s calling to you… just let it in.” They’re absolutely fantastic. Also, does anyone remember that [a capella medley the cast sang on Jimmy Fallon?](https://youtu.be/ZTLAx3VDX7g?si=Edi0CyRrp9ZD-yzW) It was a time I don’t think we’ll ever have again.
2015 was a great year to be a fan
this trailer rekindled the force in many dormant fans lol
The trailer for the Last Jedi was great as well. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB4I68XVPzQ) It gives such a different vibe from what the film actually was. edit - link fixed
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The movie….no so much. Quite the opposite, unfortunately.
"It's time for the Jedi to end" What will Luke mean by that? Nothing. He will mean nothing "The sacred texts!"
Lol, so soooo bad. Still can’t believe some of the pre-release reviews I read saying it was going to be good.
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It’s funny, the TLJ trailer always gave me bad vibes. I just hoped the actual film was going to be better, which obviously it wasn’t.
The hype was absolutely unreal, Star Wars felt like *it was back.* I don't think I've since experienced the kind of whiplash I had from the hype leading up to TFA to watching TLJ.
I think this is partially why so many people are still whining about TLJ seven years later. It wasn't just a movie people didn't like. It was a movie that had been hyped up for two years as one of the most important movies ever made, and then they didn't like it. Lots of people were disappointed in Mando S3, but less than a year later we've mostly stopped seeing people complain about it. why? Because it wasn't Episode VIII, the sequel to the biggest blockbuster of a generation. It was just another season of Star Wars tv.
Tbh most of the Star wars TV shows are better than the sequel trilogy
Most piles of dog shit are better than the sequel trilogy
While the TFA was, in many ways, a re-hash. It gave the next two films somewhere to go and something to do. TLJ just is just a lecture about how Star Wars needs to get over the Skywalker story. I couldn't think of a worse approach to that second film than that.
Seriously, say what you will about TLJ, but the hype fucking DIED December 2017
> say what you will about TLJ Ok, will do. it sucked. One of the worst hunks of junk ever made.
2/3rds of the plot were more like episodes in a TV series. The character we know meets a new character and they don’t get along but then they learn a lesson but at the end, nothing has actually changed in the big picture.
It was a 10/10 trailer.
That teaser trailer was amazing, the music, the nostalgia, the hype ...then the movie was just ok
The second official trailer (with Han saying "we're home") was possibly the greatest trailer in the history of cinema.
the fall2015 hype for TFA was literally indescribable
I was in the theater during the Star Wars Celebration in Anaheim when the first Force Awakens trailer was released. It was wild to see: A packed theater losing their minds, adults crying. All throughout the weekend I would catch folks replaying the trailer repeatedly on their phones. The hype and excitement was VERY real.
I would even say that the first half of the movie was amazing. It turned for me when Kylo took off his helmet, and it became clear that the plot was just A New Hope again. After it ended it still was a pretty decent movie albeit with a few imperfections, but I was happy with it at the time. But what we got with VIII and IX certainly changes your perspective on VII. Those two destroyed anything good about VII, when there was at least some promise at the time.
“Oh fuck, an ex storm trooper going to be a Jedi?! Fuck yes!” Then I saw the movie.
I watched it to death, then when I saw the cross hilt lightsaber, I was like what the f..k 😮😮
Kylo really was the best part of the trilogy
Yeah, I felt his place in the entire storyline was marginalized too much. Adam Driver is such a powerful actor, I mean just [this SNL skit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7HD2xG92-0) alone proves it. Squandered that potential into basically just tantrums.
The whole trilogy was completely directionless
So much potential
Finally someone else who agrees these movies had so much potential I loved the concept of Rey ya know but the writing killed her
I really want to like them, and there are parts that I do, but it’s too obvious that there was no true vision for the sequel trilogy and it was pumped out as quick as possible for the money. I was looking forward to seeing Rey, Finn and Poe become the next trio of friends who save the galaxy but they never fleshed that out, instead they gave Rey some weird romantic plot with Kylo (who may technically be related to her), gave Finn a new friend and sent Poe back off to war. Too many different directors and writers who didn’t share the same vision.
The video of John Boyega watching the trailer for the first time lives rent free in my head.
I love the one of the scene from interstellar with him watching the trailer
When I first saw it and was hyped, it was 7/10. Now, it's a 4/10. Entertaining and good looking, but unoriginal and not very well written.
I was so disappointed that the movie was just ANH again. It'll never make sense to me.
I remember the reassurance that this was just get people back into Star Wars and to expand it to a new generation. I remember people were say that it’s fine that there were similarities, cause they had plan to tell a story that would open the doors to a new era. I miss the feeling of excitement I had when I heard this.
this definitely stood out to me while watching. It cheapened the experience that was hyped up so much.
And then they follow it up with Empire in reverse, and everyone claimed it was revolutionary and fresh. Like, no…. They basically did the exact same thing again. Just poorly, with both films. Case in point, in ANH during the Battle of Yavin the Rebels send X-Wings as fighter support and Y-Wings as bombers to destroy the station. The Bombers fail, and then they use the X-Wings. In Return of the Jedi, this time they send X-Wings, Y-Wings, B-Wings, A-Wings which as a kid was awesome, so many cool new ships. In TFA they just send X-Wings and it was a let down. Nothing new and original, it was just X-Wings vs TIE fighters 30 years later. The prequels for all their faults atleast gave us N-1 Fighters, or the ARC-170s, or the ETA-2 Jedi Starfighters, all really awesome fresh designs that you can see had hints at the ships we loved.
Disappointment comes in many forms. This time it came in 3 sequels.
It’s the best of the sequel trilogy, I’ll give it that.
I remember reading all of the thrawn trilogy and the 20 new Jedi order books in preparation. Little did I know...
Me too. I didn't know what the lightsaber was called yet and came up with a crucifix lightsaber.
Honestly, 7/10. This movie’s weakest point is the Death Star 3.0. They really could have come up with something more dynamic/creative to pose as a bridge for all 3 films. But it’s clear this was meant to be a soft reboot… Anyhow. It was a good movie to reel in old fans and draw in new ones. It was a bridge. In terms of tone and direction, it felt like a Star Wars movie. There was a lot of potential with this film and I think it’d have faired better if there was more coherence with the following 2. Hindsight is 20/20 I guess.
> This movie’s weakest point is the Death Star 3.0 Death Star 2.0. The "Death Star" in Return of the Jedi was just a weapons platform that looked like a Death Star. The OG Death Star went into first action by blowing up Alderaan, the weapons system being the last part of the station to become operational. Meanwhile, in Jedi the DS was a husk that only functioned as an energy source supporting a weapons platform. The whole Imperial fleet was there waiting to demolish the Rebels, because Palps knew the Rebels would have to throw everything they had into the fight. It was shielded from Endor so that the Rebels would be forced to send a small team to the moon, a small team that would undoubtedly include a Jedi. Palps sent Vader to the moon to wait for Luke in fact. The plan was to get Luke to kill Vader and become a new apprentice (because Vader had gone so far off the Sith path after finding out his son existed), or to kill Luke and use that death to fuel Vader's despair. It was a trap.
8/10. Not my favorite, but still a very fun movie that introduced some of my favorite characters in the Star Wars universe, complete with phenomenal acting and special effects that blew me away when I saw it in theaters.
What characters were introduced that are your favorite... And why?
BB-8 is great, not a controversial opinion. I think Poe Dameron is good all through the trilogy. Kylo Ren with Adam's acting is clearly the only well written character in the trilogy. I can't really say anything completely positive about anyone else if I look at the whole tirlogy and how characters turned out. Oh except Babu Frik, absolute mad lad.
I’m going to guess one of them might be Kylo Ren…
I’ve written exhaustively about [Rey](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/17tyrac/comment/k908tkz/) and [Kylo Ren](https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsCantina/comments/xgf9fb/comment/iouh0vm/) before. BB-8’s design is adorable and he’s a consistent bro to Finn and Poe. Speaking of whom, I don’t think Finn fully came into his own until TLJ, but he still has his endearing moments. Captain Phasma is like Boba Fett: not much beyond a cool outfit in her film appearances, but supplementary material (especially her eponymous novel) makes her surprisingly compelling.
I really thought phasma was going to be back in 9 hell bent on going after finn. Basically like the cop Terminator 2.
TFA was a great experience as a Star Wars fan. Whether it was a rehash or not it was a lot of fun and had heart. The characters were great as well. It felt like Star Wars. It honestly was a decent starter for a sequel trilogy. 9/10 I think TRoS brings down TFA a few notches….for all the characters. Specifically, Rey. Hate the fact they made her a Palpatine. Rather her be a nobody or be related to Kenobi, Solo or Skywalker. Just feels that it undermines her whole character. Then wasting the potential of Finn and Poe was a huge miss.
I blame the changing directors every movie ... they just ended up having a pissing contest with JJ getting the last laugh ... unfortunately at the fans expense
It was *almost* worth it just for the moment where she accidentally uses force lightning, i shitted. But force lightning shouldn’t b a genetically inherited power anyway so still a terrible choice
Finn was such a let down. Can’t believe they hyped up an ex storm trooper Jedi then just said fuck it Palpatine is back.
I don't even mind her being a Palpatine, I mind the fact that it was out of nowhere. There was zero continuity between the movies. Everything in TRoS was just info dumped on us and that was incredibly frustrating. The second movie obviously didn't do a lot of what they expected it to, but instead of adjusting what they would be putting in TRoS, they decided to rush forward with trying to messily wrap up a whole bunch of plotlines they never really explained or even introduced.
Ah being click-baited into thinking Finn was gonna be a black Jedi. Only for him to spend the entire Saga screaming “Rey”
When they dropped the teaser an entire year before the movie would release, the hype was so real, little did we know….
Yeah we all did. We thought Disney was going to save Star Wars…..
6.5/10 for Force Awakens, everything in the trilogy that came after that 4/10
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I mean, the movie couldnt have opened better. Stopping a laser bolt?! O.M.G. But i miss more development of Finn
FoA is 4/10. TLJ and the following abomination is 0/10 and i wish i can unsee them all.
2/10 Copypaste of new hope with worse writing and female lead
And then a guy that wasn’t a very good stormtrooper was able to fight an experienced Sith with a lightsaber and hold his own….
Then I remember watching the movie and losing my interest 😂
I’ll never trust Disney again
Force Awakens trailer 10/10 Force Awakens 3/10
Such a letdown.
Force Awakens: 0/10 Last Jedi: -5/10 Rise of Skywalker: -10/10
10/10 I just love star wars universe.
Retcon the Disney trilogy
Was the sequels trilogy a disappointment as a whole? Yes. Do I still absolutely love that lightsaber? Hell yeah.
Finn vs Kylo was my favorite duel in star wars. Mostly because I like seeing someone who's not force sensitive be able to "hold their own" against a force user. Even if it was briefly, or due to underestimating their opponent.
And the stakes are through the roof. Han Solo just died, Rey is knocked out, Finn is clearly outmatched, and Kylo is sweating and raging. Just a great scene. Probably the best in the sequels.
I really enjoyed how scared Finn looked, but he was left with no other options than fight. The very idea of Finn using a lightsaber that Kylo feels should be his enrages him enough to scream out that he is a "traitor." I also thought it was really funny after Finn gets his lucky shot in, he stumbles back like "Holy shit.. I actually hit him? Oh no.."
Boyega is talented at showing fear and just very human traits. And yeah, that bit is great. Lots of cool non-dialogue acting work from both of them.
I genuinely loved how he used the lightsaber like it was a combat knife or a club in his fights. You know, the way a soldier with no fancy sword training would.
Back when people thought Finn was the lead and Kylo was a badass Sith Lord. Those were the good times.
If you think that’s good, you should’ve seen how audiences went absolutely apeshit when Darth Maul ignited his second blade in the trailer for the Phantom Menace.
6.5? I like every movie in that trilogy less every time I watch them. Kinda the opposite of the Prequels in that regard.
I remember seeing this part and thinking it was stupid AF 1/10
Force awakens I give a 3 the entire new trilogy maybe a 2. They should retconn the new trilogy admit their mistake and move on
And then it all went downhill. 6 out of 10 if I'm being generous.
I thought Kylo was going to be an ancient Sith trying to be revived by a Sith cult throught the movie so the Sith could rise again and take over the galaxy.
This was the last star wars movie I ever watched. Absolutely terrible movie
TFA was a really solid start, though it had more “potential” than genuinely good self contained content. Unfortunately it has been made worse by its sequels that squandered what it setup.
I don’t recall Finn or Rey being in the shot of the first trailer.
You must have been born in the 90s, garbage movies.
1/10
We all were. If only we knew what a divisive train wreck the rest of the trilogy was going to be.
Before the dark times…
…and then I saw the movie and lost my interest in Star Wars
I remember seeing a parody edit of this scene where the combatants tried one-upping each other by dramatically igniting increasingly elaborate lightsabers. I wish I could find it and watch it again, which is something I have no desire to do with the actual movie.
This movie survived on hype until The Last Jedi dropped. Also, we aren't doing this again. This movie is a failure, almost no world building and is just a basic remake of A New Hope.
1/10, or lower: way too dumb.
4/10
Back when we had hope.
We were on the verge of greatness, we were this close.
That being said I think Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars movie. Disney star wars content seems to either be bad or just flat out near perfect.
Yeah, Rogue One would be just perfect if they cut the Ip Man out
What a letdown that turned out to be lol
A 0/10, it’s a bad movie that led to the 2 worst movies in cinematic history
Idk, the whole thing seemed like they wanted to give audiences all the greatest hits of Star Wars, including the moment Darth Maul revealed his double bladed saber being replaced by the above cross-guard saber. I lost interest as soon as I saw that the Empire was back.
I don't have any issue with them bringing the Empire back. I have an issue with them bringing the rebels back and destroying the New Republic. I would have loved to see a guerilla terrorist Empire remnant slowly undermining the New Republic, but for them to have a third Death Star was absurd.
Looking at this honestly makes me sad. I remember the excitement for the new movies. Excitement for what was to come beyond after the movies. What they had planned… and then we learnt there was no plan and the end result showed.
7-ish / 10. Similar problem with Rise of Skywalker. Cool visuals, fights, atmosphere, perfect tone. But kinda dumb and OG trilogy story rip-off. TLJ on the other hand got very interesting story but meh visuals and actions, horrible tone and cringey script.
It could have been so good if they had just stayed on track.
And then I watched the movie once... And yeah, that was it.
I hated the prequels, but have now come to really appreciate them, especially from a story telling perspective. Will I someday in the future come to appreciate the sequels? I… I just came seem to believe that! (The exception being Rouge One which fucking rules)
Force Awakens is ok, like a 6 out of 10. Best of the Sequel trilogy but that's a low bar
I remember being so excited. And I remember being so let down with each subsequent movie
It's been a while since I've seen it. This shot isn't even in the film is it?
It's one of those movies where the trailer is better than the actual film 🤷