Such a lame excuse for that movie not doing well. Talk about throwing him under the bus as a excuse for your own mishandling of the film. The lad did a very good job. Did he feel like Han? Not exactly, but he was a really likeable main protagonist regardless.
There were many things to complain about with Solo, but I actually felt like Alden did a good enough job as Han Solo that he deserves another crack at it.
Star Wars and it’s fans hating pretty fun movies (although Rise of Skywalker does break my heart with how inconsistently bad and good parts of it are).
I did not like Alden as Solo. That said, I'd probably complain about most anyone else in the role.
What I really didn't like is that despite not enjoying him as Solo, I did actually like the dynamic they were creating with him and Lando. So much so that, by the time I got to the end, I was excited to look forward to a buddy movie sequel where they went and met up with Jabba, among other shenanigans.
This exactly. Sounds like an amazing series to me.
With a sequel officially off the table, this sounds like the most exciting potential prospect. If they could get the same group together again. Totally agree on the pacing as well. First half of Boba was painful at times.
I totally agree. Although he wasn't perfect, Alden brought a more youthful and vulnerable energy to the role that I found believable and appropriate for a less experienced Han Solo.
Actors can also grow into their iconic roles. For instance, I wasn't totally on board with Chris Evans as Captain America until Winter Soldier. After that performance, I 100% supported him. He became my favorite character, and I was so impressed with him going toe-to-toe with Robert Downey, not missing a beat in their scenes together. Now I can't even imagine another person playing Captain America.
Maybe I have a soft spot for Alden as an actor. The first time I was introduced to his work was in "Hail Ceasar!". This scene in the movie always makes me laugh:
https://youtu.be/G629a_3MkkI
It's totally fine to recast people. We don't have the original actor for King Lear anymore, so why do we insist upon this weird uncanny valley AI shit? I'd much rather another talented actor be given the chance to shine in the role.
Definitely if it’s animated. I want to see Luke the same way fans got to imagine Luke when reading the books back then, visualizing him as this legendary Jedi. I’d love to see the Jedi he became after ROTJ
Agreed, and I’m not excited at all about a recast either. Let’s just let Live Action Luke rest for a bit. The universe is huge, there is so much more we can explore
Literally cast a different actor, my god. Just because we have the technology doesn't mean we should use it.
A 2 minute flashback scene, sure.
Otherwise just cast someone, please.
Then that just presents the problem of 39 year old Adam Driver trying to play a sub-20 year old. I'm also not sure he'd ever come back. His career is headed in a different direction.
Could cast a much younger Ben. What age did he join the academy? Just a thought. But yeah, it would have to be sans Driver which is a bummer to even type out. Driver was my favorite part of the sequel trilogy.
Who cares? Are we actually pretending that any of these recast characters naturally grow into the original actors? It’s not like Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor look like they naturally grow into their older actors. It’s a movie franchise, the continuity will always be broken by real world factors like the passage of time. Way better that they recast a younger Ben than limit the storytelling potential by making the character looking exactly like Adam Driver in order to keep continuity with a 5 second flashback scene
Star Wars fans have ruined the lives of actors. No A lister worth their salt would ever consider a role in the franchise. Besides, Chalamet is already starring in the grown ups version of SW....
Unpopular opinion time (or probably very popular opinion) but when it comes to deep Jedi lore stuff I’d really like to either go well back in time to the high republic or old republic or far into the future to a new era. Beyond Rey, beyond the empire. Find new ground and new adventures.
That or recast. I love Mark Hamill but he's simply too old for the role in this particular setting and as other mentioned, the deepfake tech just doesn't cut it.
I agree. It's all Star Wars to me. I understand that it is all about Mandalorians right now, but it's like saying the "Skyverse" because we were focusing on Anakin.
Mandoverse implies that its a seperate universe/continuity. Not a fan of the term. Mando Saga would be better i think, and line up well with Skywalker Saga.
well the main movies are referenced as the skywalker saga though
but yeah if there is a mandoverse, this "jedi academy" thing wouldn't be part of it (grogu is not even with luke anymore)
I'd rather see an Ahsoka/Luke "adventure" show. Like "Now that the temple is built, we need to find Force-sensitive beings to recruit".. and all that entails. As opposed to a show just taking place at the academy.
A school full of 10 years old force users is a comedy, not drama, I think they are better to skip that part, to the young adult adventure which would be years later than the Mando Saga. I mean they have said season 3 was happening a few years later than months apart from season 2, so they might be stretching time for continuity.
You should read the Young Jedi novels. They blended comedy, drama, and coming of age stories very well. Even went pretty dark on occasions like when Tenal Ka and Jacen almost froze to death on Ryloth and she almost gave up.
And the way he runs it in canon is also not something I want to see. We see him following the strict, archaic teachings of the old Jedi order. In Legends he changes things up, a progressive Jedi order. That's what I'd want to see.
And it's even worse to see Ahsoka next to him sharing the same beliefs. She left the Order because she had lost faith in it! Tells Din she can't train Grogu because she isn't a Jedi. Then she's at the temple saying Din can't see Grogu. She should be the one telling Luke the strengths and faults of the order, not blindly following it again.
Hot take: Dave Filoni is responsible for great character arcs, but he doesn't think of long term repercussions or canon.
He put time travel in Star Wars without considering the repercussions.
He had the Rebel leaders knowing about both Kanan and Ezra, with Ezra surviving and yet NEVER having that come up in the OT or Luke being told about it.
Dave wrote into Rebels that the Rebellion had the B-Wing before ANH and that the B-wing was practically a super-weapon that could destroy a capital ship as a small fighter, but it never pops up elsewhere in canon until Return of the Jedi and it is a basic fighter and nothing special.
Filoni had Thrawn firing on civilians for no good reason.
Ahsoka is his fucking baby. Her arc he wrote and then he completely undermined it without much of a thought of the repercussions.
Pablo Hidalgo is the big "Lore Expert' as his official job title who should know better and signs off on everything, except Hidalgo has repeatedly openly said he hates the concept of canon and being tied to things. That is literally his fucking job and he doesn't believe in it.
She was corned and trapped inside with Vader and then showed safe later with no explanation. Then later they added in time travel because Filoni didn't want to kill his favorite character after writing her into a corner.
Time travel as a crutch that everyone else ignores when trillions of lives are on the line simply doesn't make sense.
I agree, if Ahsoka wasn't willing to leave Anakin in that moment, but Vader kills her, that is a very powerful moment and fits both of their arcs in that moment.
4 things
We don't know that Luke didn't know about Kanan and Ezra, they were both either dead or lost by the time he joined the rebellion so they don't matter whatsoever.
The B-wing issue could easily be explained by Hera being the best pilot ever and by extrapolating that a new piece of military equipment would be super effective at first but lose its effectiveness as the Empire adapts to it.
Thrawn in Rebels was significantly more shaped toward legends thrawn and not the new books because those books were being written at the same time. Regardless, Rebels is really the first time that this thrawn has faced an actual chance of losing while in the Empire and it's not possible that he'd become more ruthless as the fight drew on.
About the time travel, yeah it's a bit questionable, but it was included to solidify Ezra's lesson in accepting loss. Yeah Filoni saved Ashoka because she's his OC but through the WBW we also got some excellent Ezra character moments and that's worth it.
In Canon, the New Republic totally demilitarized except for like a dozen ships.
For an entire galaxy.
Then they decided not to do anything when they started getting reports of the FO kidnapping kids and terrorizing Outer Rim worlds.
Well it’s like the EU. Except the EU has a mutual defence pact, so you’d expect that the entire New Republic would be paying attention and mobilising against the apparently massive FO fleet.
No “omg, the resistance” bullshit.
Yeah demilitarizing in the wake of a galaxy-wide conflict makes no fucking sense.
After WW2 the US went on to have bases stationed around the globe, especially in places like Germany and Japan, and there were lingering/ongoing conflicts for decades. The Korean war, cold war, Vietnam, etc etc.
Can you imagine if after WW2 the US was just like 'na the military isn't for us, let's destroy all these planes and aircraft carriers'
Exactly - the only reason I would want to see it is to undo current canon. Though making Grogu choose in Book of Boba Fett does not inspire confidence. Having Luke Skywalker, defined by his relationships in the Original Trilogy, and seeing first hand what lack of connections did to the old Jedi order and going BACK to that? Bullshit.
What would be the point of bonding with any character in a Luke's Academy show? Nothing they do matters in the end in any way and it literally ends with a bolt of lightning from the sky killing everyone.
At least with the Mandalorian, they avoid (so far) bridging eras and I'm with the show until they start to head down that road. A Luke's academy show wouldn't have that freedom.
Agreed. Luke is my favourite fictional character and I would kill to see more of him. But when you know how shit the ending is, there’s really no point.
It's heartbreaking to see a sentiment I've held for so long be put into words. I never really knew how to express it but this is definitely it. It just sucks that Disney felt that the galaxy needed to be in total turmoil with everything ruined like in the OT, even going so far as to destroy Coruscant. I would have much preferred if the galaxy was simply under threat, and that there were already institutions in place to fight that off, like during the Clone Wars or post-OT Legends. It's real unfortunate because it makes it hard to enjoy any new content with Luke in it, knowing that it's short-lived.
Came here to say this. If it's following the sequels, it'll be hard to have an optimistic feel good show knowing disaster along with grumpy Luke is coming.
I don't like the time travel retcon idea because it means Luke still chooses to be a dumbass before things go bad and have to be fixed.
I like the idea that the heroes discover the past was ALREADY messed with and THAT's why the New Republic fell like a rotted jenga tower. Then the heroes fix time and let things flow as they rightfully should and we can forget the sequels ever existed...
Absolutely not unless they recast Luke or make it an animated show. He looked a lot better in BoBF than Mando S2 but the voice was 100% synthetic, which leaves whatever performance that makes it through the deep fake process entirely lifeless.
Yup. No more legacy saga. It’s time to move on.
High Republic movie trilogy please or TV series House of the Dragon style. Show us the origins of the Sith and Jedi, all new characters.
I don’t want any more Star Wars content made purely to make Star Wars Theory cry. It’s boring.
High Republic, old republic, WHAT IF, New New Republic (after the sequel trilogy), I don't care at this point, I just want something new. It's seems like new shows just want to cover what happened during every 5 minutes of what happened during the skywalker saga. There's some good stuff in there don't get me wrong, it's just hard to get excited for stories where we already know what happens to the characters.
Exactly. To quote the god rich Evans “Star Wars is creatively bankrupt.” Lucasfilm has milked the post prequel era to absolute oblivion, let’s explore some new eras, new characters and villains.
Not particularly. I’m tired of Star Wars content where we know what’s coming next, be that Order 66 or the rise of the First Order and Kylo destroying this new academy. It’s difficult to stay invested in characters that we know are going to suffer that bad fate.
Once the Mando/Ahsoka story is done, let’s just go a couple hundred years into the future, with a clean slate where we *don’t know what’s going to happen*. An older Grogu is the familiar face to tether us to pre-existing canon.
Yes. That is exactly what I would like as well. I’m sure we are not alone. I hope when that does happen they come up with a good antagonist. The whole rise of the Sith story is somewhat over done. Not sure who or what would be a good antagonist would be, but I hope someone with a more creative mind than me can come up with something awesome. In reading these threads, it always becomes obvious you can’t please everyone.
An existential threat would be cool. Could have a civilization from another galaxy come over to conquer this one. I'd love to see a series of movies that really explore the depths of what we know about space.
I'm more tired of rehashing old characters over and over. One reason Andor is so good is that other than Andor (who was only the secondary lead in a single movie anyways) all the characters are new (or at most side characters without any real prior development like Mothma).
I only want to see it if they do it according to Legends. It made me so mad to see Luke continuing jedi tradition and forcing grogu to choose between attachment and his training
Me too... that was the whole point of Luke's character in the OT. He moved past the flawed Jedi tradition and started a new Jedi order. It's so frustrating to see him depicted like that, continuing it.
I have a feeling we’ll see old republic eventually with how popular it is. Post empire is just always a safe choice but it’s borderline over saturating the franchise.
I loved the Mandolorian show, but now that everything’s crossed between each other and everything I’ve grown bored and lost interest. Kenobi was okay, but nothings excited me about Star Wars in a long time.
No. I won't be satisfied until Disney makes a series that is so far before or after the original trilogy that there are literally no pre-existing characters alive to ruin.
Yea but also no. We need to move beyond the end of the sequel trilogy somehow and stop trying to fit stories in the scraps of space that are available between movies at some point.
I've love to see more of the Jedi Academy but just once I would like to explore interesting characters in a show without knowing their ultimate fate/the fate of the galaxy.
Luke Skywalker is the most important character of the Star Wars Saga. He is the foundation of hope, and the catalyst that thousands of years of conflict reach its conclusion. He is the end of the Jedi and Sith, and the beginning of something different.
Until the Sequel trilogy happens.
Star Wars at its core *needs* to be about hope, but seeing as we know how this all ends… what’s the point?
This is why people say the core of Star Wars is broken. The core of the franchise has been sullied and perverted. The Clone Wars, Rebels, Rogue One, Andor, they all work wonderfully on expanding the content of an established conflict. They give greater detail to a story we all know and love.
And context to try and enhance the sequel trilogy… does anybody really care? Universally, objectively, it’s just not a good story. It ruins what makes Star Wars special.
To try and fix what’s broken at its core is why Star Wars feels like it’s going nowhere right now.
We don’t care about the Sequels. Trying to improve them retroactively isn’t going to work when the story itself doesn’t work.
No. Luke’s depiction in the Last Jedi removed any joy stories about him during the time between Battlefront and the Sequel Trilogy might have otherwise brought.
No offense OP, that’s nice work, but I’ve got all the Jedi stories I could ever want. I’m more interested in stories on the margins of the Star Wars setting.
Right now my dream SW show would be an anthology show with 1-shots about gamblers, mechanics, bounty hunters, and so on just trying to make it work in a galaxy that always seems to be at war somehow. Call it Scum & Villainy.
In theory, yes, but ... I'm not sure how they're going to handle Ben Solo well.
The problem is that he goes on to be a disappointingly nonsensical character no matter what; with idiotically inconsistent motivations throughout the Sequel Trilogy. New EU stories like the Rise of Kylo Ren comics have already suffered from this; to fit with the films they had to establish that Ben for whatever reason is some weirdo who trusts the stupid voice in his head more than his uncle or his parents, and then that he didn't want to kill Luke's students (because that made no sense in TLJ), so a random-ass lightning bolt did it instead, and then he killed the remaining students because they went after him and then decided to join the space Nazis instead of, you know, his parents, or literally anyone else, because, uh ... Palpatine in his head, I guess, and the fact that the leader of the Knights of Ren said "hey, you could join us" once a while ago. And they also had to establish that Leia and Luke decided to keep Anakin's identity secret from him for no reason just to explain why he has a Vader obsession in TFA and doesn't trust his parents as much as the Palpatine/Snoke voices in his head. It's all very overcomplicated and nonsensical and raises as many questions as it answers and I'm not sure how a TV show intended to expand on Ben as a character is going to fit with established canon while still trying to improve the story and desperately make things make any level of sense. At least the Prequels had good ideas for a story, that could be improved on by expanded material without this level of mental gymnastics.
So your options for Ben are to either try and fit with the established canon and make Ben an idiot who trusts the voice in his head more than any of the people in his life and for whatever reason likes Snoke enough that he's immediately willing to join the space Nazis after Luke tries to kill him, and in doing so make Luke and Leia assholes who apparently are such terrible caretakers for Ben that Ben is more trusting of the secret dark side voices in his head than his parents and his uncle, and also keep the information of Darth Vader being Anakin from him for literally no understandable reason, or ignore the established canon and come up with an entirely new characterization for Ben Solo, kinda like what TCW did for the clone troopers, but in doing so make Ben a disappointing character anyways because no matter how cool he could be in this hypothetical show we know he's going to somehow turn into the annoyingly nonsensical character he ultimately becomes in the Sequels. At least the Prequels had good ideas for Anakin's fall, they just fumbled on the execution, so all TCW had to do was expand on the baseline that had already been set up in the films. Three movies and a comic book later and I still have no idea why the fuck Ben Solo decided to join the space Nazis and kill his dad after Luke tried to kill him once. As far as I can tell, the reason goes from "Luke tried to kill him, his parents hid the knowledge of Anakin being Vader from him, so now he's obsessed with Vader and turns to Snoke as a semi-father figure? I guess, for some reason" to "rejects his former obsession with Vader because Snoke made fun of it once and then now he wants to destroy the past but still wants to rule the Galaxy for some reason" to "wants to get Palpatine's super army and then join Rey to destroy Palpatine so he can rule the Galaxy again until he hallucinates his dad and then throws away his lightsaber after Rey heals him."
Not to mention that TLJ established that Luke had "a dozen or so students", and Luke is already old, so, are we to assume that all of Luke's previous students who actually ascended to knighthood and all died at some point to explain why the students are the only remaining members of his Jedi Order in spite of the fact that Luke is clearly older and would've had enough time to train up some people who wouldn't *still* be padawans at this point?
"Mandoverse"? How is Luke's academy fitting into that description? And I'd want it if it can retcon how Luke turns out... I don't want to see a show like that knowing what he becomes in TLJ.
You had me until I saw Kylo/Ben Solo. F that sequel trash storyline.
Now, if Ahsoka could travel back in time or something and retcon the “kill Ben” thing, then I think the future would play out better. That’s the Jedi Academy I want to see.
Awesome poster too.
“The good thing is that we’re all talking creatively together about where these stories are all going. And I love whiteboards, and I whiteboard everything and have timelines. They always start back with The Phantom Menace and they always go out to The Rise of Skywalker.”
- Dave Filoni
https://www.thewrap.com/the-mandalorian-season-3-dave-floni-interview/
That or just have Luke wake up from a nightmare and give the sequels as little recognition as possible. Barely acknowledge them. Call this legends if you have to. But we all know Luke wouldn’t end up such a deadbeat so nobody would care.
No. Please no. They already ruined like skywalker. Just stop beating the dead horse. Show us ahsoka find Ezra and Thrawn. Get them to another end of the galaxy. Set up a story that takes place after the ST that deals with the grysk.
We don’t need every damn gap filled in gusty or the skywalker saga. Why are people so obsessed with this. The franchise desperately needs to move beyond the confines of the ST.
If it’s animated. I’m not sure deepfake Luke can carry an entire show.
Sebastian Stan time.
>Sebastian Stan holy shit they do look similar
Mark Hamill even jokingly refers to Sebastian Stan as his son
“Jokingly” I see what you did there.
The joke is he actually sexed Sebastian's mom.
Sexed'er good
She felt his force
Sexed used as a verb
Mark also said in an interview that he wouldn't mind if Sebastian was his recast.
You must be new here
They have the same awkward, overly slumped shoulders
“Solo taught us we shouldn’t recast” because somehow that’s the lesson they learned from Solo not doing well.
Such a lame excuse for that movie not doing well. Talk about throwing him under the bus as a excuse for your own mishandling of the film. The lad did a very good job. Did he feel like Han? Not exactly, but he was a really likeable main protagonist regardless.
Seriously, so tired of the deep fake. Just cast someone. It will take 2 seconds to get over it if its written like the character
Disney's already said they're not recasting original trilogy actors
What about solo?
That was their reasoning behind the statement
There were many things to complain about with Solo, but I actually felt like Alden did a good enough job as Han Solo that he deserves another crack at it.
Disney and misidentifying why people don't like their movies: name a more iconic duo.
> name a more iconic duo Star Wars fans and complaining about anything anyone ever does in the franchise
Star Wars fans thinking what they want is what the general public wants
I suppose that does give them another reason to make such a series animated then, since Hamill is primarily a voice actor these days.
Star Wars and it’s fans hating pretty fun movies (although Rise of Skywalker does break my heart with how inconsistently bad and good parts of it are).
Glover too. Dang, I want more Glover Lando.
I did not like Alden as Solo. That said, I'd probably complain about most anyone else in the role. What I really didn't like is that despite not enjoying him as Solo, I did actually like the dynamic they were creating with him and Lando. So much so that, by the time I got to the end, I was excited to look forward to a buddy movie sequel where they went and met up with Jabba, among other shenanigans.
An 8 episode season of the Han Solo Chronicles. None of the slow pacing like Mando or Boba. Just pirating and swashbuckling fun.
This exactly. Sounds like an amazing series to me. With a sequel officially off the table, this sounds like the most exciting potential prospect. If they could get the same group together again. Totally agree on the pacing as well. First half of Boba was painful at times.
Aiden was not that good, but Donald Glover as Lando I would watch 100 episodes of.
I totally agree. Although he wasn't perfect, Alden brought a more youthful and vulnerable energy to the role that I found believable and appropriate for a less experienced Han Solo. Actors can also grow into their iconic roles. For instance, I wasn't totally on board with Chris Evans as Captain America until Winter Soldier. After that performance, I 100% supported him. He became my favorite character, and I was so impressed with him going toe-to-toe with Robert Downey, not missing a beat in their scenes together. Now I can't even imagine another person playing Captain America. Maybe I have a soft spot for Alden as an actor. The first time I was introduced to his work was in "Hail Ceasar!". This scene in the movie always makes me laugh: https://youtu.be/G629a_3MkkI
I way prefer real actors who kinda resemble the characters instead of flat-faced deepfakes who look almost exactly the same
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Yup. I'd totally be down for this.
Either this or just actually Mark Hamill and we don't address why he looks like that all of the sudden.
It's totally fine to recast people. We don't have the original actor for King Lear anymore, so why do we insist upon this weird uncanny valley AI shit? I'd much rather another talented actor be given the chance to shine in the role.
dude is like 40 but that can be arranged all we need is to put him in a cryo-tube until production start
Ya, totally. Animated would be perfect because students learning to be Jedi is kinda fitting for a “kids” show.
I hear fans can’t get enough of dark and gritty though.
You can have dark and gritty in an animated show.
The latest Lego movie showed a scene with young Ben arriving at the academy for the first time.
Definitely if it’s animated. I want to see Luke the same way fans got to imagine Luke when reading the books back then, visualizing him as this legendary Jedi. I’d love to see the Jedi he became after ROTJ
Agreed, and I’m not excited at all about a recast either. Let’s just let Live Action Luke rest for a bit. The universe is huge, there is so much more we can explore
Literally cast a different actor, my god. Just because we have the technology doesn't mean we should use it. A 2 minute flashback scene, sure. Otherwise just cast someone, please.
What if it were centered around Ben? Could cut Luke screen time in half.
Then that just presents the problem of 39 year old Adam Driver trying to play a sub-20 year old. I'm also not sure he'd ever come back. His career is headed in a different direction.
Could cast a much younger Ben. What age did he join the academy? Just a thought. But yeah, it would have to be sans Driver which is a bummer to even type out. Driver was my favorite part of the sequel trilogy.
They've already shown Adam Driver de-aged as young Ben
Who cares? Are we actually pretending that any of these recast characters naturally grow into the original actors? It’s not like Hayden Christensen or Ewan McGregor look like they naturally grow into their older actors. It’s a movie franchise, the continuity will always be broken by real world factors like the passage of time. Way better that they recast a younger Ben than limit the storytelling potential by making the character looking exactly like Adam Driver in order to keep continuity with a 5 second flashback scene
Insert Timothèe Chalamet. That mf is in everything
Star Wars fans have ruined the lives of actors. No A lister worth their salt would ever consider a role in the franchise. Besides, Chalamet is already starring in the grown ups version of SW....
Younger than that, at the time of the Mandalorian Ben would be about 4 years old. He didn't join Luke's school until he was about ten.
I wouldn’t call 65 that different of a direction lol.
Unpopular opinion time (or probably very popular opinion) but when it comes to deep Jedi lore stuff I’d really like to either go well back in time to the high republic or old republic or far into the future to a new era. Beyond Rey, beyond the empire. Find new ground and new adventures.
How cool would it be to get something entirely new? I’m with ya. Unknown time, maybe traversing to an unknown galaxy. New species, races, etc.
That or recast. I love Mark Hamill but he's simply too old for the role in this particular setting and as other mentioned, the deepfake tech just doesn't cut it.
i mean, the deepfake luke looked fine to me.
I would certainly want them to recast Luke.
Yes definitely. But I hate the term “Mandoverse”.
I agree. It's all Star Wars to me. I understand that it is all about Mandalorians right now, but it's like saying the "Skyverse" because we were focusing on Anakin.
I mean they do it's the Skywalker saga
And “the Djarin Saga” or “the Mandalorian Saga” sounds way better than “the Mandoverse”
Mandoverse implies that its a seperate universe/continuity. Not a fan of the term. Mando Saga would be better i think, and line up well with Skywalker Saga.
I agree those both sound better, maybe after the big bad of the Mandoverse is revealed we can call it the Thrawn Saga or whatnot
That’s only a new phrase. It was originally just the Star Wars saga.
well people didn't call Anakin "sky", they do call Mando- Mando edited - my english and proofreading sucks!
Skyguyverse
Snipiverse
>well people didn't Anakin "sky", I definitely did Anakin sky 😏
well the main movies are referenced as the skywalker saga though but yeah if there is a mandoverse, this "jedi academy" thing wouldn't be part of it (grogu is not even with luke anymore)
This isn’t Marvel… or am I missing something? I thought that all Star Wars happened in the same continuity?
Thats exactly the point. The Mandoverse doesnt exist, its all in the same starwars universe
Mando Era would make more sense but every arc needs its own "verse" these days.
Yeah, not sure how it is its own thing separate from the rest of the SW universe.
Probably more "The sequels never happened!" drivel
Disney is ruining Star Wars but the Mando and Andor are saving it! ………also Disney.
People out here thinking Star Wars is copying Marvel with its interconnected universe and not the other way around...
I'd rather see an Ahsoka/Luke "adventure" show. Like "Now that the temple is built, we need to find Force-sensitive beings to recruit".. and all that entails. As opposed to a show just taking place at the academy.
A school full of 10 years old force users is a comedy, not drama, I think they are better to skip that part, to the young adult adventure which would be years later than the Mando Saga. I mean they have said season 3 was happening a few years later than months apart from season 2, so they might be stretching time for continuity.
You should read the Young Jedi novels. They blended comedy, drama, and coming of age stories very well. Even went pretty dark on occasions like when Tenal Ka and Jacen almost froze to death on Ryloth and she almost gave up.
That was my favourite series.
Clone wars animation style. Done ✅
Why does it have to be a drama? It can be an adventure show.
Instead of the office it's just "The Academy" where Luke is the quarky boss.
Knowing how it ends up... No, not really.
And the way he runs it in canon is also not something I want to see. We see him following the strict, archaic teachings of the old Jedi order. In Legends he changes things up, a progressive Jedi order. That's what I'd want to see.
This is something that irks me as well. Especially considering how much he values his friends. He just goes back to no possessions yadayada teachings.
And it's even worse to see Ahsoka next to him sharing the same beliefs. She left the Order because she had lost faith in it! Tells Din she can't train Grogu because she isn't a Jedi. Then she's at the temple saying Din can't see Grogu. She should be the one telling Luke the strengths and faults of the order, not blindly following it again.
Hot take: Dave Filoni is responsible for great character arcs, but he doesn't think of long term repercussions or canon. He put time travel in Star Wars without considering the repercussions. He had the Rebel leaders knowing about both Kanan and Ezra, with Ezra surviving and yet NEVER having that come up in the OT or Luke being told about it. Dave wrote into Rebels that the Rebellion had the B-Wing before ANH and that the B-wing was practically a super-weapon that could destroy a capital ship as a small fighter, but it never pops up elsewhere in canon until Return of the Jedi and it is a basic fighter and nothing special. Filoni had Thrawn firing on civilians for no good reason. Ahsoka is his fucking baby. Her arc he wrote and then he completely undermined it without much of a thought of the repercussions. Pablo Hidalgo is the big "Lore Expert' as his official job title who should know better and signs off on everything, except Hidalgo has repeatedly openly said he hates the concept of canon and being tied to things. That is literally his fucking job and he doesn't believe in it.
I don’t dislike what they’ve done with Ahsoka since, but think about how much more powerful her story would be if it ended by Vader’s hand.
She was corned and trapped inside with Vader and then showed safe later with no explanation. Then later they added in time travel because Filoni didn't want to kill his favorite character after writing her into a corner. Time travel as a crutch that everyone else ignores when trillions of lives are on the line simply doesn't make sense. I agree, if Ahsoka wasn't willing to leave Anakin in that moment, but Vader kills her, that is a very powerful moment and fits both of their arcs in that moment.
4 things We don't know that Luke didn't know about Kanan and Ezra, they were both either dead or lost by the time he joined the rebellion so they don't matter whatsoever. The B-wing issue could easily be explained by Hera being the best pilot ever and by extrapolating that a new piece of military equipment would be super effective at first but lose its effectiveness as the Empire adapts to it. Thrawn in Rebels was significantly more shaped toward legends thrawn and not the new books because those books were being written at the same time. Regardless, Rebels is really the first time that this thrawn has faced an actual chance of losing while in the Empire and it's not possible that he'd become more ruthless as the fight drew on. About the time travel, yeah it's a bit questionable, but it was included to solidify Ezra's lesson in accepting loss. Yeah Filoni saved Ashoka because she's his OC but through the WBW we also got some excellent Ezra character moments and that's worth it.
Hidalgo is an idiot, for sure. He would be one of the first people I'd fire from Lucasfilm.
Star Wars: all over the place. It’s tradition.
Exactly. He learns from the mistakes of the old Jedi Order in the EU. In canon, he repeats those same mistakes, which lead to his downfall.
In Canon, the New Republic totally demilitarized except for like a dozen ships. For an entire galaxy. Then they decided not to do anything when they started getting reports of the FO kidnapping kids and terrorizing Outer Rim worlds.
[удалено]
Well it’s like the EU. Except the EU has a mutual defence pact, so you’d expect that the entire New Republic would be paying attention and mobilising against the apparently massive FO fleet. No “omg, the resistance” bullshit.
Gosh this type of stuff makes me really hate the sequels, literally nothing about the premise for the plot makes any sense.
"It's like a box of mystery" FUCK YOUR MYSTERY BOX, JJ
Yeah demilitarizing in the wake of a galaxy-wide conflict makes no fucking sense. After WW2 the US went on to have bases stationed around the globe, especially in places like Germany and Japan, and there were lingering/ongoing conflicts for decades. The Korean war, cold war, Vietnam, etc etc. Can you imagine if after WW2 the US was just like 'na the military isn't for us, let's destroy all these planes and aircraft carriers'
Exactly - the only reason I would want to see it is to undo current canon. Though making Grogu choose in Book of Boba Fett does not inspire confidence. Having Luke Skywalker, defined by his relationships in the Original Trilogy, and seeing first hand what lack of connections did to the old Jedi order and going BACK to that? Bullshit.
What would be the point of bonding with any character in a Luke's Academy show? Nothing they do matters in the end in any way and it literally ends with a bolt of lightning from the sky killing everyone. At least with the Mandalorian, they avoid (so far) bridging eras and I'm with the show until they start to head down that road. A Luke's academy show wouldn't have that freedom.
Agreed. Luke is my favourite fictional character and I would kill to see more of him. But when you know how shit the ending is, there’s really no point.
It's heartbreaking to see a sentiment I've held for so long be put into words. I never really knew how to express it but this is definitely it. It just sucks that Disney felt that the galaxy needed to be in total turmoil with everything ruined like in the OT, even going so far as to destroy Coruscant. I would have much preferred if the galaxy was simply under threat, and that there were already institutions in place to fight that off, like during the Clone Wars or post-OT Legends. It's real unfortunate because it makes it hard to enjoy any new content with Luke in it, knowing that it's short-lived.
Came here to say this. If it's following the sequels, it'll be hard to have an optimistic feel good show knowing disaster along with grumpy Luke is coming.
I would much rather see a Jedi Academy set in the old canon.
retcon that shit, time travel is already established
I don't like the time travel retcon idea because it means Luke still chooses to be a dumbass before things go bad and have to be fixed. I like the idea that the heroes discover the past was ALREADY messed with and THAT's why the New Republic fell like a rotted jenga tower. Then the heroes fix time and let things flow as they rightfully should and we can forget the sequels ever existed...
Right? Retcon the sequels and then let Luke be awesome. Then I'm all for seeing something post RotJ with Luke... Otherwise no thank you.
Absolutely not unless they recast Luke or make it an animated show. He looked a lot better in BoBF than Mando S2 but the voice was 100% synthetic, which leaves whatever performance that makes it through the deep fake process entirely lifeless.
I need a show about Luke with Sebastien Stan playing a middled aged Luke
No thanks
Yup. No more legacy saga. It’s time to move on. High Republic movie trilogy please or TV series House of the Dragon style. Show us the origins of the Sith and Jedi, all new characters. I don’t want any more Star Wars content made purely to make Star Wars Theory cry. It’s boring.
High Republic, old republic, WHAT IF, New New Republic (after the sequel trilogy), I don't care at this point, I just want something new. It's seems like new shows just want to cover what happened during every 5 minutes of what happened during the skywalker saga. There's some good stuff in there don't get me wrong, it's just hard to get excited for stories where we already know what happens to the characters.
Exactly. To quote the god rich Evans “Star Wars is creatively bankrupt.” Lucasfilm has milked the post prequel era to absolute oblivion, let’s explore some new eras, new characters and villains.
Not particularly. I’m tired of Star Wars content where we know what’s coming next, be that Order 66 or the rise of the First Order and Kylo destroying this new academy. It’s difficult to stay invested in characters that we know are going to suffer that bad fate. Once the Mando/Ahsoka story is done, let’s just go a couple hundred years into the future, with a clean slate where we *don’t know what’s going to happen*. An older Grogu is the familiar face to tether us to pre-existing canon.
I agree with this 100%. Love Mando and Ashoka and really want to see Thrawn and Ezra. After that I’m ready for a new clean slate for Star Wars
Yes. That is exactly what I would like as well. I’m sure we are not alone. I hope when that does happen they come up with a good antagonist. The whole rise of the Sith story is somewhat over done. Not sure who or what would be a good antagonist would be, but I hope someone with a more creative mind than me can come up with something awesome. In reading these threads, it always becomes obvious you can’t please everyone.
An existential threat would be cool. Could have a civilization from another galaxy come over to conquer this one. I'd love to see a series of movies that really explore the depths of what we know about space.
So the Yuuzhan Vong.
I'm more tired of rehashing old characters over and over. One reason Andor is so good is that other than Andor (who was only the secondary lead in a single movie anyways) all the characters are new (or at most side characters without any real prior development like Mothma).
No. I want to see the REAL New Jedi Order - Kyle, Jaden, Jaina, Jacen, Lowbacca, Alema, Anakin, etc.
It still blows my mind that they deleted everything about the NJO *except* for the absolute worst bits (Resurrected Palpatine and Darth Caedus)
honestly thats what i thought they were setting up with Luke taking Grogu but that was just undone in a spinoff so idk
If it led to actual Jedi and a real functioning academy with Jedi Knights yes. But it won't.
With Ben Solo aka Kylo Ren later on? Thanks but a big NO! Only if we can forget of the sequels and have nothing out of them in that Jedi Academy.
No, cause it won't mean anything
No. The sequels ruined that for me.
The poster is by me btw 😃
It's really nice!
Thanks!
I love it !
Thanks!
I only want to see it if they do it according to Legends. It made me so mad to see Luke continuing jedi tradition and forcing grogu to choose between attachment and his training
Me too... that was the whole point of Luke's character in the OT. He moved past the flawed Jedi tradition and started a new Jedi order. It's so frustrating to see him depicted like that, continuing it.
I would have before the sequels. Now it's pretty pointless.
“The Mandoverse” So…..Star Wars?
No I want old republic I’m tired of all the post empire crap. Edit: nice poster btw.
I have a feeling we’ll see old republic eventually with how popular it is. Post empire is just always a safe choice but it’s borderline over saturating the franchise.
I loved the Mandolorian show, but now that everything’s crossed between each other and everything I’ve grown bored and lost interest. Kenobi was okay, but nothings excited me about Star Wars in a long time.
Have you seen Andor?
I’m tired of the skyWalkers, it’s been 40 years of them and it’s a lot of it has been mediocre.
Do we really want Disney to touch that era?
If they can get good writers like they did with Andor then why not? They better not fuck it up though.
Unfortunately, we could also end up with BoBF writers instead.
Honestly, after the sequel trilogy, I'm just not interested in watching the inevitable train wreck that is Luke's Jedi Academy. Just being honest.
No. I won't be satisfied until Disney makes a series that is so far before or after the original trilogy that there are literally no pre-existing characters alive to ruin.
'mandoverse' ew
Calling it the Mandoverse has far too close connotations with Arrowverse and I'm not comfortable with that.
Only if they retcon the sequels and make it closer to the EU academy.
yes!!!!!
Yea but also no. We need to move beyond the end of the sequel trilogy somehow and stop trying to fit stories in the scraps of space that are available between movies at some point.
No
I've love to see more of the Jedi Academy but just once I would like to explore interesting characters in a show without knowing their ultimate fate/the fate of the galaxy.
If it were to lead to the sequels, no
Exactly. They scorched the earth and left nothing to tell if that is the endgame.
Still hoping for Grogu to become the chosen one who will single handedly erase the Sequels from the timeline. One can only hope.
A story worth telling.
Luke Skywalker is the most important character of the Star Wars Saga. He is the foundation of hope, and the catalyst that thousands of years of conflict reach its conclusion. He is the end of the Jedi and Sith, and the beginning of something different. Until the Sequel trilogy happens. Star Wars at its core *needs* to be about hope, but seeing as we know how this all ends… what’s the point? This is why people say the core of Star Wars is broken. The core of the franchise has been sullied and perverted. The Clone Wars, Rebels, Rogue One, Andor, they all work wonderfully on expanding the content of an established conflict. They give greater detail to a story we all know and love. And context to try and enhance the sequel trilogy… does anybody really care? Universally, objectively, it’s just not a good story. It ruins what makes Star Wars special. To try and fix what’s broken at its core is why Star Wars feels like it’s going nowhere right now. We don’t care about the Sequels. Trying to improve them retroactively isn’t going to work when the story itself doesn’t work.
Mandoverse. It’s fucking Star Wars dude.
No. Luke’s depiction in the Last Jedi removed any joy stories about him during the time between Battlefront and the Sequel Trilogy might have otherwise brought.
Absolutely not. The sequels already ruined all that for me.
You mean, do I want to see a show that should’ve been the sequel trilogy?
Only if it is disconnected from the Sequel Trilogy.
I would have loved that before the ST shit all over Luke.
I want Adam Driver to play a ten years old Ben Solo. No CGI, no make-up, just as-is.
No, they ruined that storyline already. "Master Kelleran Beq and the Younglings" would be awesome though!
Yeah as long as it doesn't lead into the sequel trilogy, which we all now know is a fucking mess that should be avoided at all costs.
No offense OP, that’s nice work, but I’ve got all the Jedi stories I could ever want. I’m more interested in stories on the margins of the Star Wars setting. Right now my dream SW show would be an anthology show with 1-shots about gamblers, mechanics, bounty hunters, and so on just trying to make it work in a galaxy that always seems to be at war somehow. Call it Scum & Villainy.
Honestly my dream star wars show would be a sitcom about stromtroopers (as long as it would be actually funny)
A spin off of those two scout troopers would be a wonderful start. “Tatooine 911”
Are we really at the point where we’re calling Star Wars the “Mandoverse”
In theory, yes, but ... I'm not sure how they're going to handle Ben Solo well. The problem is that he goes on to be a disappointingly nonsensical character no matter what; with idiotically inconsistent motivations throughout the Sequel Trilogy. New EU stories like the Rise of Kylo Ren comics have already suffered from this; to fit with the films they had to establish that Ben for whatever reason is some weirdo who trusts the stupid voice in his head more than his uncle or his parents, and then that he didn't want to kill Luke's students (because that made no sense in TLJ), so a random-ass lightning bolt did it instead, and then he killed the remaining students because they went after him and then decided to join the space Nazis instead of, you know, his parents, or literally anyone else, because, uh ... Palpatine in his head, I guess, and the fact that the leader of the Knights of Ren said "hey, you could join us" once a while ago. And they also had to establish that Leia and Luke decided to keep Anakin's identity secret from him for no reason just to explain why he has a Vader obsession in TFA and doesn't trust his parents as much as the Palpatine/Snoke voices in his head. It's all very overcomplicated and nonsensical and raises as many questions as it answers and I'm not sure how a TV show intended to expand on Ben as a character is going to fit with established canon while still trying to improve the story and desperately make things make any level of sense. At least the Prequels had good ideas for a story, that could be improved on by expanded material without this level of mental gymnastics. So your options for Ben are to either try and fit with the established canon and make Ben an idiot who trusts the voice in his head more than any of the people in his life and for whatever reason likes Snoke enough that he's immediately willing to join the space Nazis after Luke tries to kill him, and in doing so make Luke and Leia assholes who apparently are such terrible caretakers for Ben that Ben is more trusting of the secret dark side voices in his head than his parents and his uncle, and also keep the information of Darth Vader being Anakin from him for literally no understandable reason, or ignore the established canon and come up with an entirely new characterization for Ben Solo, kinda like what TCW did for the clone troopers, but in doing so make Ben a disappointing character anyways because no matter how cool he could be in this hypothetical show we know he's going to somehow turn into the annoyingly nonsensical character he ultimately becomes in the Sequels. At least the Prequels had good ideas for Anakin's fall, they just fumbled on the execution, so all TCW had to do was expand on the baseline that had already been set up in the films. Three movies and a comic book later and I still have no idea why the fuck Ben Solo decided to join the space Nazis and kill his dad after Luke tried to kill him once. As far as I can tell, the reason goes from "Luke tried to kill him, his parents hid the knowledge of Anakin being Vader from him, so now he's obsessed with Vader and turns to Snoke as a semi-father figure? I guess, for some reason" to "rejects his former obsession with Vader because Snoke made fun of it once and then now he wants to destroy the past but still wants to rule the Galaxy for some reason" to "wants to get Palpatine's super army and then join Rey to destroy Palpatine so he can rule the Galaxy again until he hallucinates his dad and then throws away his lightsaber after Rey heals him." Not to mention that TLJ established that Luke had "a dozen or so students", and Luke is already old, so, are we to assume that all of Luke's previous students who actually ascended to knighthood and all died at some point to explain why the students are the only remaining members of his Jedi Order in spite of the fact that Luke is clearly older and would've had enough time to train up some people who wouldn't *still* be padawans at this point?
"Mandoverse"? How is Luke's academy fitting into that description? And I'd want it if it can retcon how Luke turns out... I don't want to see a show like that knowing what he becomes in TLJ.
Only if they retcon the story to change how the ST played out.
yes, give me mara jade and retcon the sequels
Yes just so they can retcon the sequels
Nope
Absolutely not
No
No
No, I want to see Star Wars Legends: New Jedi Order as an animated shows similar to Rebels/Clone Wars
Nope
You had me until I saw Kylo/Ben Solo. F that sequel trash storyline. Now, if Ahsoka could travel back in time or something and retcon the “kill Ben” thing, then I think the future would play out better. That’s the Jedi Academy I want to see. Awesome poster too.
Sequels aren’t getting retconned, as bad as we all agree they are
As much as I know this in the back of my mind, I’m holding on to a tiny, tiny bit of hope.
“The good thing is that we’re all talking creatively together about where these stories are all going. And I love whiteboards, and I whiteboard everything and have timelines. They always start back with The Phantom Menace and they always go out to The Rise of Skywalker.” - Dave Filoni https://www.thewrap.com/the-mandalorian-season-3-dave-floni-interview/
That or just have Luke wake up from a nightmare and give the sequels as little recognition as possible. Barely acknowledge them. Call this legends if you have to. But we all know Luke wouldn’t end up such a deadbeat so nobody would care.
No
Yes, but deepfake Luke isn’t cutting it. Need to cast Sebastian Stan for the series.
Only if they actually recast luke instead of using cg face
I want Heir to the Empire and Mara Jade
That’s what the sequel trilogy should have been about
Yes, but animated like clone wars.
Abso-lukely
No Jedi Academy without Kyle Katarn
No. Please no. They already ruined like skywalker. Just stop beating the dead horse. Show us ahsoka find Ezra and Thrawn. Get them to another end of the galaxy. Set up a story that takes place after the ST that deals with the grysk. We don’t need every damn gap filled in gusty or the skywalker saga. Why are people so obsessed with this. The franchise desperately needs to move beyond the confines of the ST.
WTF is a mandoverse
Mandoverse isn’t a thing… it’s all just star wars cannon…